/biz/ - Business & Finance

so VIX line go up, market go down right?

10% lower and then i can finally start to buy

Why are my bank stocks tanking?

RIP THE US ECONOMY

>>56487571
you really think banks are thriving right now?

>>56487571
>he thinks the SVB bail out that was bigger than 2008s was an isolated event...

we won

Lol at KRE.
L mao even.

Reminder! If you're over the age of 40 and still posting on 4chan you are a failure and need to rethink your life choices.

So will this week be the same?

>>56487608
US suburbs tend to be more dense than most US cities outside of mega cities like New York and Chicago. The expensive part isn't the building it's all the city BS so fucking around with construction technique can only make that more expensive.

You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, /smg/, and I won't have it! Is that clear?

Fuck it I will let my account go to zero,too late to sell now

>>56487571
banks are empty ,run for the hills

RTX is a piece of shit

>>56487571
>Macro blowing up
>Housing blowing up
>Bank executives literally jumping off buildings
>"Why are my bank stocks tanking?"

>>56487643
>37

Phew... close call.

>>56487571
The contagion is spreading, the only well positioned bank is JPM, and they're gonna be forced to take on bad assets when they eat smaller banks.

>>56487643
>mfw 2 years of shitposting left

>>56487616
There's got to be a breaking point though, no?

Shorting the 20 and 30 year treasuries is every Americans' patriotic duty.

>>56487643
Yeah, if my investments don't pan out I'm gonna neck myself

OH SHIT ITS CRASHING DOWN AGAIN

>>56487668
>well positioned bank

Oh the one that just got busted running the pedo circuit for two decades ? Nice.

>>56486535
I have been rotating T bills on a four month basis for a bit now, but with the upcoming credit crisis where the hell should I put my money?
All in on bear ETFs?
Gold?

>>56487643
remember newfag- you are here forever.

>>56487646
that's fair I'll bite.

>>56487642
AMD is perfect for my pc needs.
Zero consideration to NVDA

>>56487643

>>56487662
while I do agree this is notable, I think the dynamic has now 'officially' shifted
we should be seeing bonds catching a bid right now going into the weekend - this is what this image relays, that going into the weekend people are mass buying puts, hedging for geopolitical risk over the weekend, AND they were also buying bonds
they are not buying the bonds today - the VIX is getting bid and they are not buying bonds
for this reason, I would not trust the past movement, and think we will continue to dump

>>56487643
but twitter posting is le based, amirite?

>>56487684
There is no upcoming credit crisis stop being a gay bear and just continue to buy and hold ETFs for 30 years.

>>56487668
>they're gonna be forced to take on bad assets
OH NO!! POOR JPM WILL HAVER TO CONSOLIDAT AND TAKEOVER THEIR COMPETETORS, POOR JPM... Booo hoooooooo

Clueless fucks

>>56487662
doing ta on a metric ? We're going place aren't we.

>>56487683
The fed is a sockpuppet for JPM and all chartered banks are just franchises of the fed.

>>56487571
>Why are my bank stocks tanking?
Because back in 2020 they filled their balance sheets full of long term treasuries paying close to zero interest. Fast forward to now where the risk free rate is over 5% and they have to pay out a lot more on short term loans than they receive on the treasuries they're bagholding. Also those treasuries' mark to market price has gone down over 50% and the carnage seems to be accelerating. Banks are not the place to be anon
>oopsie

AI AI AI AI

>>56487690
Anon, he didn't mention nvda in that post.

I haven't check the market in weeks because busy with work. what the fuck is happening? all my picks are just destroyed

>>56487643
>36
getting close...

>>56487643
more like if you're younger than 25 and posting here you a complete fucking loser who's already thrown in the towel. At least anyone over 40 knows its over and doesn't care. But zoomers on here shitposting instead of getting laid or sorting out their life are truly pathetic

>>56487722
Fucks sake now we gotta deal with robo ethnic gangs now?

>>56487731
jews

Shopify got slaughtered this week, hope they post better than expected figures or announce a dividend.

Suspect BP has its figures priced in already.

>>56486535
>Bond yields rising the highest since the 1980's

>Retail credit cards now charging record high average interest rate of 28.93%

kek and you got normies that have all time low savings. The economy is booming guys!

>>56487741
I didn't lose my virginity until after I started posting here.
Although I didn't start regularly posting until after #8.

>>56487752
not good but not a habbening yet
conditions

>>56487740
y...ou too

>>56487722
Every day the Singularity gets nearer

>>56487726
What is nvme?

Amazon is the only one besides msft that beat earnings and saved the markets. I knew the magnificent 7 would come along.

>>56486604
no. VIX rises with volatility not market prices.

>>56487741
>At least anyone over 40 knows its over and doesn't care
preach

>>56487777
Ahhh FUCK
checked

>>56487778
Hey, they did good too.

>>56487761
Your boipussy being breached by your mom's bf doesn't count anon

>>56487777
FEAR

>>56487740
>>56487741
>>56487761
i am 26 and will literally never have sex
in fact i do not want to """get laid"""
i will either marry a virginal 12yo or die a monk. this is not up for negotiation.

>>56486604
options market prices go up, vix prices go up, that is all.

>>56487774
pcie hard drive.
you can get cards that run 4 sticks in parallel and are almost as fast as your ram.
btw buy more ram

>>56487709
>just continue to buy and hold ETFs for 30 years.
>Just give us your money to hold for 30 years, Goy
>Its the only way you can afford to retire at 75.
"No"

>>56487731
Market spooked all round.

Tech getting hit by China sanctions, Evergrande exposure, jitters caused by Gaza/Israel.

Also other random local stuff like UK's housing market getting hit by falling prices and high interest which could cause a negative equity crisis (you can't just hand back the keys like in the US). Everyone's waiting for the spark that sets off a global recession.

>>56487643
>shifting the bar from 30, which itself was shifted from 25
thank you anon. t. mid 30s

>>56487687
this.
t. 53yo oldfag

>>56487796
I respect a man with principles. Godspeed anon

>>56487774
SSD

>>56487657
atta boy!

>>56487796
why 12?

>>56487777
Checked

>>56487806
Im actually a 3000 yr old dragon kin

>>56487716
It's not really long term treasuries, it's mostly mortgages and MBS. The unrealized treasury losses are a blip in comparison. The covid housing boom when everyone was buying homes was during .25% interest rates, banks were writing those mortgages and most of the buyers were banks too. Without QE fed purchases to buy those off the banks balance sheets it's quite a low liquidity environment.

>>56487796
Godspeed fren

>>56487814
>>56487800
Everything I play is >10 years old

>>56487804
Inflation caused the shift

>>56487821

>>56487821
younger is fine too, i just don't want some used up post-wall (puberty) whore.

>only major holding that performed this week was a gold ETF

Depressing.

I've been toying with an idea for awhile now, /smg/. Pic related. I'm either crazy, or will make a big change in this rotten world. It doesn't have much to do with stock market, moreso has to do with /biz/.

How do you keep yourself from going full Travis Bickle / Joker?

>>56487802
>Israel ground invasion starts tonight
>Right after markets close green

How convenient kek

>>56487827
Interesting

>>56487774
It lets you store files on your WiFi card.

>>56487774
nvme deez nuts lmao

>>56487709
i can't tell if these posts are ironic or not

>>56487854
Is that before or after they give it to spooks ?

>>56487842
you should have your testosterone levels checked

>>56487806
i knew we had some geezers around here benevolently passing wisdom
>early 30s

>>56487831
I don't blame you. Most of the new crap sucks.

>>56487831
Good video games are playable with software graphics even if they came out this year.

>>56487731
>what the fuck is happening?
exactly what anyone with half a brain knew was going to happen

Power hour lfg

>>56487741
a lot of us are autistic and can't really go anywhere. it's not a meme fren

>>56487875
desu women will sleep with just about anyone if you can "behave."

>>56487847
If you backtest gold you'll find it historically outperforms in mid volatility environments like right now. When volatility is low and equities are making new highs gold sucks, when volatility goes to the moon and equities are crashing hard and fast gold sucks but when volatility is a bit elevated yet VIX is still under 30 but above 20 gold does surprisingly well

>>56487885
Women are boring and terrible for your finances. This IS financial advice.

>>56487741
still not selling

Is it time to buy MARA or not quite yet?

>>56487892
That's actually great financial advice.
Don't seek out strangers to have sex with.

>>56487863
because i don't want secondhand goods? nice try schlomo

>>56487869
i'm old enough to have learned to do my own research rather than listen to the mainstream talking heads that tell me everything is fine.

>>56487850
>>Israel ground invasion starts tonight

Invasion? It is a safari expedition. Where wimpy little IDF Jewbois get to go plink some innocent browns with the full faith and support of US ZOG troops held at bay for backup if things go wrong.

>>56487806

>>56487907
But Talking Heads is great?

>>56487891
careful, I get called lots of bad names when I talk about safe haven assets.

>>56487741
YOU HAVE TO HAVE MEANINGLESS SEX AND PARTY WITH RETARDS YOU NEVER RELATED TO TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE YOU JUST MIGHT REGRET IT LIKE I DID

>>56487892
there is a reason why the government charges you less taxes if you are married. it is because they know that women empty both your balls and you wallet.

Apologize

>>56487892
true. unless you can weather the first several difficult years. I've been married for 23 years now. I'm at the comfy phase most don't make it to.

>>56487741
Getting your penis massaged by roasties is not really what life is about lil bro.

>>56487934
It's like a fuckin 401k. Oooh look, a tax discount! All you gotta do is lock up your money for 40 years.

>>56487936
Based and congrats.

>>56487913
but i still have a full head of hair.

>>56487939
if you get the money,
after the money then you get the power,
and then, once you have the power, then you get the women.

>>56487936
Based Al Bundy.

A bunch of doomers on fintwit are claiming "The general public has no idea what's about to happen", "I don't even think the markets have realized it yet either!" and other stupid shit.

They just mad that the markets are healing and economy is booming right now.

>>56487934
I would remove that hood, lay it on my mattress and cuddle up to it every night with my nose in the exact spot her ass cheeks are resting on

>>56487936
Is your bull black?

>>56487953
Solid advice, I've just gone all in on Tate & Lyle.

>>56487741
I'm 36 I didn't met my wife here 7 years ago and had a beautiful daughter with her (pic related). I also went from a janny job to being king of the mail department. Simply put, the cream rises to the top, I mean look at me. Good things happen to talented people. Doesn't matter what age you are here. This place improved me as a person.

>>56487643
>be 23
>tfw nobody likes me

>>56487959
Eat shit glownigger, you're about to lose everything.

>>56487959
>They just mad that the markets are healing and economy is booming right now.
thanks bidenomics

>>56487971
holy based and inspirational pilled

>>56487971
your daughter has a suspiciously natural looking tan

>>56487862
Windows 11 demanded my email address

>>56487963
save yourself the work and remove the headlight lens. that's where her cheeks are resting

>A bunch of doomers on fintwit are claiming "The general public has no idea what's about to happen", "I don't even think the markets have realized it yet either!" and other stupid shit.
>
>They just mad that the markets are healing and economy is booming right now.

>>56487939
You're right. Life is about trying to procreate, whether or not you succeed is irrelevant in the scheme of things when you think about it. It's all about the chase. Those whom've gave up the chase have given up on love.

>>56487796

>most people are not this goal oriented
Bold strategy cotton, lets see how it plays out... But, you have one.

Today was supposed to be a relief rally and the S&P is red.

>>56487643
my first testosterone shot was today
you get old faster than you think

OMG NO I JUST SHORTED THE BOTTOM PLEASE NO, ISRAEL MY GREATEST ALLY; HELP ME

>>56487974
Damn it feels good to be a techbro. We're literally immune to bad news or rising interest rates

>>56487973
>ID: JPow Hog
I like you anon

>>56487964
never got into livestock. Always wanted some chickens though. Now that i've got a little more free time, I might look into it.

>>56487984
Bro your hardware is unironically compromised at the most basal levels. It's fuckin over.

So for how long are we going to be fucked. It's really boring to just keep cash in a savings account

>Yahoo finance tards are bullish
>Stocktwit tards are bearish
Tough call to make, but I think I'll inverse stocktwits.

>>56487953
but that's what 4 billion men are doing already.
And I'm not really into those andrew Tate 2005 manosphere points of view..

I'm more about making money and using it to make this world a better place for my future reincarnations.

>>56487981
It's just the shade from the cherry blossom tree making her look dark. A common mistake.

>>56488000
Checked

>>56487831
fair.
>>56487907
pretty much. it takes a while to learn that everyone is selling something.

>>56487992
>Today was supposed to be a relief rally
based on what?

>>56487990
Reproducing is acceptable to pursue. But only if you have white european genes. But it's useless if you raise your child in a shitty world

>>56487984
>Windows 11
Lol.
>>56488005
Yeah collecting whores is fucking retarded. All the brown celebrities make an identity out of it.

>>56487996
After several blood red days in a row, you're bragging about 0.4% (now 0.24%). The crash is coming and it will topple the illegitimate Biden regime.

>>56487996
zoom out, techbro

>>56488006
Cherry blossoms don't create shadows when it's overcast retard.

Fucking goyslop is heeming me

>>56488001
With inflation and everything factored in we already crashed. This is the new bottom and a great time to start buying general market indexes. Savings accounts are taxed as income so even if you thought you were a good little safe baby boy your still going to need to spread them cheeks for the IRS.

>>56487959
ngl today might have been the medium term bottom of the s&p 500.
"a technical retracement" of SPY to at least $426 is a likelihood.

>>56488015
I told you a Jew sold it to me

>>56487984
>Windows 11
damn that sucks

>>56488007
The best we can do is troll or enlighten the glowniggers.

leaving the spy longs open
set the TP higher
fuck this scam shit

>>56488001
>So for how long are we going to be fucked.
depends on how durable you think the dollar is. some would argue that it's lifecycle is coming to an end. others would argue that the world can't live without it.

>>56488028
I would feel safer fucking a prostitute bare than running a pre installed OS on a used computer.

BMY
What
the
fuck?

Why didn't you listen?

Rabbihood shenanigans are a little ridiculous.

Ccl 11$ wtf is happening. Should I buy?

>>56487936
any tips besides just saying yes okay you're right?

>>56488020
Don't tell me what does and doesn't create shadows baggot, you dirty race mixing Jew!

>>56488010
>everyone is selling something.
especially a narrative

>>56488047
Absolutely. The're going to get a huge contract to transfer every Gazan to Athens.

>>56488031
I only now realized that I truly wish I were enough of a weirdo sperg to fuck with Linux.
Even a mac would be better than this
Is there at least a way to make this ugly gui look like Win 7?
Pls tell me I can fix this

>>56488005
money power women has been around way before andrew tate

>>56488046
It's overpriced.

Enjoy your descent into oblivion, glowniggers.

>>56487959
everything is on life support lol. only thing that's stable is petroleum and government money

>>56488061
wipe your computer and install linux it is that east.

>>56488061
>I only now realized that I truly wish I were enough of a weirdo sperg to fuck with Linux.
I put it on my exs computer and she hardly noticed. Just go get Pop or Mate. Steam, Firefox etc is all there and the UI changes less often than on Windows (unless you want it to.)

>>56488061
>I only now realized that I truly wish I were enough of a weirdo sperg to fuck with Linux.
Look at it as a fun learning experience. And, hey, you either deal with that BS or Microsoft's BS.

This is supposedly just a raid, not the final deal.

>>56488051
How the fuck did you let your 2D waifu get raped by a nig. You honestly disgust me.

>>56488062
I know, he was just the last one to peddle that retarded mentality. Pursuing holes is for beta males

short tech

>>56488042
It’s a new computer but the salesman had a Jewish name. I didn’t go buy it second hand in Brooklyn

>>56488085
You're falling for that fake narrative that baggot has created. He's a Jewish glowies that is also making you think we should feel bad for Israel. Never trust a dirty baggie nigger.

>>56488001
Oil is about to go through the roof, which will cause inflation to go back up and force the Fed to go higher for longer. And oh yeah, Biden emptied the SPR to win the last election, so that’s not an option this time around

>>56488094
You still should never use a pre installed OS. Even OOTB they tend to ship with malware.

>>56488061
I got into Linux by installing it in a virtual machine and just full screening it and using it full time until I somehow would break the install. I'd fix it until it was completely broken then wipe it and try again. When I got to the point where I wasn't breaking the virtual machines anymore and knew my way around I took the plunge and installed on bare metal. That was in 2007 and I haven't gone back to windows since
Virtual Box is free open source vm software that runs on windows. Also vmware player is free but closed source

>>56488048
well, I'll probably get laughed at, but I have always looked at marriage the way my grandfather taught me, and his words rang true. He said that there is no exit in marriage, there is no way out. You're in together for life and that's all there is to it. When you look at marriage in that light, you look at the problems and challenges you face in that light. You don't bail when the problem gets too big. And when both spouses understand that it's for life, they both must find a way through.

>>56488105
The real trick is finding a girl that thinks this way.

few understand this

4100 is a fortress

>>56488102
I'm too much of a boomer and not autistic enough to use Linux. I just need a system that works easily so I can play like a dragon gaiden next month.

>>56488096
And I don't trust anyone who let's that happen to his waifu.

>even my JNJ getting heemed

THEY SAID IT WAS SAFE AAAAAAAAAHH

>>56488102
It’s powerspec not hp or dell

>>56488105
ty anon that's been my philosophy towards it as well.
no point in doing it without full commitment.
just trying to find the right person

This will literally be worse than the great depression.

>>56488061
I've tried switching to Linux/BSD many times over the last ~18 years but everytime I couldn't help but feel that it's broken garbage. Take the Windows 10 pill and stay there.

The fed will compensate these losses, right? I mean, I'm ruined otherwise.

Can someone explain to me what the fuck is going on?

They great Heemening continues. Damn bank bros who's cheerios did you guys piss in?

>>56488149
Great Depression wasn't so bad. Just a 20th century myth.

>>56488113
agreed. I have watched my sons struggle through relationships. I can't even imagine what they face. I consider myself pretty well informed with the way things are going in this world and I feel terrible for young people. I work with a lot of them and their struggle is nothing to shrug off. Back when I was young, you could still find a strong, traditionally minded woman who understood the importance of respect and loyalty. Now, women have no clue what respect is and they are only loyal to themselves. it's not only sad, it's going to lead to our destruction.

>>56488149
We need a retracement to flush out you ridiculous retail bears.

THE FED OWES ME A REFUND

>>56488155
Usually the brokenness of linux is because you're trying to do stuff with a windows mentality.

>>5648808
yes, that is what I was telling that zoomer anon.
>>56488149
how do you figure?

>>56488155
>I couldn't help but feel that it's broken garbage.
That's why you don't run GNOME.

>>56488117
What happened to your youtube channel?

>>56488160
Optionsfags getting shrekt.

>>56488149
will be a good time for adventures. Kinda stoked.

>>56488179
Options are the only real way to make money in crab markets.

So bears are bearish because people are selling and people are selling because people are bearish because people are selling....??? All this fucking doomer shit is so legitimately insane. Some of the shit you idiots are saying is word for word exactly what you said last year. I don't get it, are you trolling? Do you genuinely believe that the sky is falling?

Like come the fuck on with this shit >>56488114

wE'rE CrAsHiNg!!!! After 90 days of selling for some of the dumbest reasons in the last two years. Like, this is "oh SHIT Trump has covid SELL EVERYTHING" levels of retardation but for three months straight, with a bunch of dipshits piling on and buying puts because....?

what's the easiest or most painless suicide methods

>>56488160
pricing in FOMC

>>56488168
>muh "retail bears"
>ignores that things are so fucked that Ray Dalio is literally calling for the total collapse of the United States
Glowniggers aren't sending their best.

>>56488191
SPY Calls

>>56488190
>HIGHER FOR LONGER
Few understand this

>>56488176
I've just been too busy to be in these threads often because of this new job. Now that I work days I'm busy during trading hours

>>56488191
Longing SOXL

>>56488190
It's legit retarded. Forward pe is actually reasonable so all these bobos are gonna get heemed. Don't say I didn't warn you and that bidenomics doesn't work

>>56488172
Look at literally any economic indicator that isn't easily falsified by the government.

>>56488164
My great grandmother was born in 1899 and I used to hang out with her when I was little. She did not have great things to say about the Great Depression. Always referred to it as "Hoover's Time" and always one step away from literally spitting the phrase out as she said it

>>56488168
retail seems to be full of dumb money, retail investors and greedy firms collecting commissions on retirement funds while they watch their customers wealth drain away. smart money is looking for safe havens at this point. imho.

>>56488201
Oh my god how the fuck do you idiots appeal to authority EVERY TIME but then when things are green you say all of those people are liars? Holy shit it's genuinely ridiculous. You see objectively good earnings and SELL hahahahahahahaha

>>56488170
I'm talking about grids of icons where under every icon there's something like
>Sy...ate
>Per...tor
literally unusable, though to be fair it was Gnome almost every time

>>56488174
Yeah true

>>56488210
New job? You told me you have your own janny gig. What happened?

>>56488190
>1 post by this ID
You're going to lose everything, glownigger.

>>56488168
bro retail is like 0.0001% of the market

>>56488207
rip that anon

>>56488221
They're slurping this ridiculous dip as am i

>>56488190
>So bears are bearish because people are selling and people are selling because people are bearish because people are selling....???
It's because of bond yields. Risk free rate goes above 0% and now fundamentals matter again.
>All this fucking doomer shit
Not doomer it's just overpriced.

Don't be a "bull" or a "bear."
Buy cheap stocks in good companies and sell expensive stocks in bad companies. Position yourself to benefit from macro event catalysts if you do it with options. That's all you have to do. It just so happens that after three years of <0% real interest rates most stocks are over priced now so people with ideas that correspond well with reality (and the market itself) tend to be "bearish."

>>56488225
>icons
Yeah see there's your problem. People write graphical shells for Linux but there all shit and no one actually seriously uses them.

>>56488190
Simplified to an absurd extent for your quotient deficiencies

>>56488190
yet, you've provided no data to prove these bears wrong. it doesn't matter that you don't like what's happening, it only matters if you understand what's happening.

>>56488238
Forward p/e on a market basis is at historical trends you dumbfuck trump boomer

>>56488208
>5% rates are high!
This is why you fucking faggots are SO wrong

>>56488212
They unironically have no concept of a long term trade. Every time you press them, they literally never point to charts farther out than 6 months (because the longer term charts always prove them wrong)

>>56488213
>It's all falsified except when it agrees with my bearish bullshit!!!!!
Get fukt dumbass

>>56488223
The upcoming house congressional investigations will rip your agency a new asshole. I hope you like Cuba.

>>56488225
>I'm talking about grids of icons where under every icon there's something like
>>Sy...ate
>>Per...tor
works on my machine

>>56488190
Talked to a sperg a few months ago, he claimed to be a "tech investor". When I asked more about it, turns out he literally just has 500k in nasdaq shares and lives off the interest. When people like this are thriving, you know you have an apocalypse on your hands.

>>56488251
Historical trends with a downward trending interest rate.

>>56488236
unironically bearish
buyers exhausted by doing an action like this
if we were to rally, all of these people buying would be making money
not going to happen
there is more pain ahead
until we see ONLY put buying, everyone shorting, the heaviest they've ever shorted, then we will not bottom - the sellers need to exhaust
your image is indicating buyers exhaust, not sellers exhaust
we will see.

>>56488253
>5% rates are high!
Its high after a decade of free money. Something gotta give

>>56488249
tasty strawberry yum gang gang

CUT THE RATES

CUT THE RATES

CUT THE RATES

>>56488253
You better start acclimating to a Carribean climate and no air conditioning.

>>56488236
the markets don't reflect that. you should be very cautious about what information you base your trades on.

>>56488253
>This is why you fucking faggots are SO wrong
are you taking inflation into consideration?

>>56488190
>So bears are bearish because people are selling and people are selling because people are bearish because people are selling
Yes. When the price is going down you should sell. What's the alternative? Bagholding. When the price goes up you can buy back in

Ding ding ding! How did it go today anon?

>>56488230
It's at least 25%, I'm pretty sure it's over half but that's probably including people's 401ks which are only nominally retail.

Short gold
Short sugar
Short oil
Long SPY
Long Bonds
That is all.

>>56488253
>charts farther out than 6 months
this is QQQ monthly.
note that we are still at the top of the average true range. We are not even at the 'mean' (the middle line) let alone far below the ATR
Lol.

>>56488300
thanks, cramer

>>56488294
NOT WELL

>>56488294
+0.3%.

PARTY ROCKERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT

Captcha: 0XDANK

>>56488294
-2.07% ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>56488294
-2.3% Im going long on Wayfair earnings so hopefully that works out.

>>56488226
I never had my own janny gig, I was the manager for a commercial cleaning company before this and the pay was decent but I got no benefits, so I had to move on.

>>56488289
Daily reminder that there are plenty of retards that didn't sell BBBY at $20+ and kept holding their bags all the way to 0. This is the type of person you are "debating" with. Sometimes, you just need to accept that some people are dumb faggots

>>56488149
no one listened:
>Higher for longer
>This time will be different.

>>56488294
-.53% i did not realize how bad the last couple of weeks had been

>>56488294
DOROTHY SAVE MY PORTFOLIO

>>56488275
Did you notice that big fat green candle at close? Hope you bobos closed your short positions cause tech is gonna pump all next week, next month and into next year

>>56488238
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>>56488289
See it's actually endless. Pure, unfiltered permadoomer speculation and occasionally outright schizo nonsense. Endless appeals to economic paradigms that were established before the US dollar was fiat or before high frequency algorithmic trading controlled the markets. I have absolutely zero confidence in your evaluations of the current economic climate, everything you say is sensationalist bandwagoning horseshit.

>-3% all time
it's over

>>56488294
PYPL bags down, cattle spread position up, up overall

>>56488313
What are you now? Shoes salesman?

>>56488236
Exit liquidity. Losing traders buy when the market is going down. Winners sell when the market is going down. When the market is going up, winners buy back in. When the market is going up, losers sell the winners thinking "this must be the top" so the market runs away from them
Read a good study on the phenomenon here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3402254

>>56488311
nvm I've already regained about 0.5%

>>56488328
>permadoomer
You need to reread my post because it's nothing at all like that.

>>56488294
>-2.17%
I need some Arabs to start embargoing some oil right fucking now.

>>56488294
it's not good.
>>56488315
literally me with NAK. still have those bags after all these years kek.

>>56488328
Eat shit and die bulnigger

>>56488328
Your agency will be tried for treason. Cease and desist.

>>56488328
I'm sorry that you're losing money
It's not too late to start profiting off of the inevitable outcome

>>56488294
0.28%
ill take it.

>>56488327
maybe over the weekend, the consumer will be miraculously revived. their wages will go up, their saving will go up, their credit card debt will go down and their car will show up from the repo lot. and monkeys might fly out of my ass.

The christmas rally will save us

we got the hammer on the daily
enough reason to not sell

>>56488294
>0.38
big win today.

>>56488315
>Comparing holding indices to monkey stocks

Yes some people are definitely dumb faggots.

>>56488356
Is that supposed to be Jay with Tay?

>>56488328
>I have absolutely zero confidence in your evaluations of the current economic climate
that's fine. but you should at least inform yourself. there are plenty of experts out there who can paint a clear picture for you of what's happening. you won't find them on msnbc or bloomberg, but they're out there.

>>56488332
I can't say too much because I live in a small town and one of the chuds here would love nothing more than to dox me because they are jealous. But I have family that works for a local company, I got tired of commuting to Ann arbor so they told me to come work with them. I got hired on for a print production position which is basically a general labor position, and then one of the guys in the mailing department quit because he's a soft faggot and left because he got disciplined for being shit and couldn't take it, so I got promoted to the mailing department. The only other person in their who has seniority is a very sweet bit old lady in her 60's who is in poor health, And when she retires I'll be king shit in that department. And it's a very important department, because without us, nothing gets sent out. The owner of the company loves me and already included me in the quarterly bonuses. So I'm in a great place.

>>56488299
lol where do i even begin
i should have clarified i mean a miniscule fraction of the trades and resulting price action
nobodys gonna be day trading their 401k. most of whats happening is institutions and the bots. everyone else is along for the ride.

>>56488355
You fucking idiots paint the most grim picture imaginable but then when I go out into the world none of it is true. I've been all over the US, you're plainly wrong.

>>56488376
Literally a paid government shill.

>>56488371
>I got promoted to the mailing department.
First time I ever heard of someone working their way up *to* the mail room.

>>56488376
The US consumer is unironically resilient.
The turbo consumer tech worker... eh, maybe not so much.

>>56488366
I thought she was fucking the dude from the chiefs? Did she hit the wall and just decide to settle down with the chairman of the federal reserve?

>>56488346
>>56488348
Literally nothing changed today, we didnt go below 4100 sp or the 200ma on nasdaq.
we can still rallye hard next week with the fed and maybe all the way till eoy

>>56488294
it did not go well i bought the wrong puts

>>56488371
Maybe now you can afford a house without tinted windows. Good to hear, fat hands. I hope it works out

>>56488334
of course people will lose money when they try to time the bottom. if you don't have a sound understanding of technicals, you'll lose on your trades a majority of time.

>>56488390
Ladies can *never* resist the BFC. I know for a fact Kashkari has piped half the housewives in Minneapolis.

>>56488294
up deltas down thetas down $20

>>56488407
Technicals, fundamentals and macro and a lot of luck.
I still think I can do it.

>>56488384
It's not what you think. There is way more too it than mail, more than I could even explain.
>>56488400
Thanks anon.

>>56488392
Lower highs and lower lows. The market is following a sterotypical pre-crash pattern, even if you're trying your hardest to pretend it's not.

>imagine 4 more years of this shit
Anyone not voting Trump needs to get their fucking head examined.

i think i lost at least 2% every single day this week

So do we short ZIM because their ships are all going to be sunk or long them because they've taken out several times their value in insurance policies?

>>56488416
I won't question your skill, Rocker. You're an inspiring "rags to less shabby rags" story.

>>56488419
this market feels like it's been frankenstein'd into life for so long now

A thousand point draw down on the Nasdaq within 10 trading days. Did I nail that call or what?
Lunar eclipse is tomorrow. Hoped you all took profits on your shorts before close.

That is all.

>>56488360
>indices never trend down for extended periods of time
There have been many instances where major indices have trended down or been flat for years and years. Nasdaq didn't see a new high for 17 years as recently as the 2010s. And that other time when the S&P crabbed for a decade during the oughts. Why would you want to take the risk of holding through something like that when it's completely unnecessary. Even worse, what if you capitulate at the bottom and miss the rise back up. You could destroy your investments for life
>>56488407
>of course people will lose money when they try to time the bottom
It's more than just that though. People probably lose more money trying to time the top. They sell too soon the sit out the rest of some huge run up then buy the first sizeable dip only to see it keep dipping another 20-30 or more percent. And just when they think "okay I'm gonna be smart and sell" the thing turns around and goes right back up. Losing traders selling too soon and riding losses is a perennial reason for why they are losers. It's psychological as well as a skill issue. Actively trading, even swing trading is not easy. It seems easy in hindsight but it's really not

>>56488419
doesnt mean anything if it doesnt go below these support levels and if we rallye back up either we get a lower high or even a higher high

>>56488376
because normies are famous for maintaining their lifestyle right up until the moment the police show up at their door and evict them. you do realize that credit card debt is at an all time high and average household savings are at near zero, right? 20,000 vehicles are repo'd everyday. repo lots are overflowing with cars. you need to open your eyes to the facts, not what normies are doing.

>>56488446
You're literally talking to zoomers who have never been through a bear market. He posted ben shapiro unironically for fucks sake.

>>56488376
I traveled all over the US during 2007 and 2008. Other than a lot of stores closing earlier than usual and prices coming down you wouldn't really notice what was going on underneath. Everything looked pretty much the same as it did in '05 and '06. Yet people were losing fortunes and losing homes, dreams shattered. Just looking outside your front door isn't enough. You need to look at the numbers and statistics to get a good grasp of what's happening

>>56488453
How do I invest in repos

>>56488447
Fucking dishonest retard. Look at flsttening yield curve. We are on the eve of a once-in-100-years financial collapse.

>>56488472
Buy a tow truck.
Neighbors had one show up last night and take one of their cars.

>>56488427
Didnt ZIM just borrow the ship? They have their own fleet now?

>>56488453
huh that's actually a pretty good indicator. i wonder if i can find it charted

>>56488453
>muh consumer credit debt!
This one is one of the dumber ones lmao, right up there with thinking the US national debt matters

>>56488472
FCFS is a classic pawn shop ticker.

>>56488477
>take one of their cars
Do normies really? Why take debt to buy more cars when you cant afford it?

>>56488446
>They sell too soon the sit out the rest of some huge run up
taking profits is far better than taking losses

>>56488479
I dunno. Maybe they put them all in a rabbi trust.

>>56488473
fed pause and rallye next week it is. end of discussion. take the rallye or leave it, we gonna pump.

>>56488493
Because some jewish car salesman promised them "good terms" on a shit loan, and they need the car to get to work because the US has no idea how to into public transit

>>56488502
Can you believe there are people in /smg/ who don't see the Fed pause as a bullish catalyst?

>>56488334
wrong. winners never sell.

>>56488493
People were taking debt to buy more houses they couldn't afford, that's how the GFC happened. Retards are retarded

>>56488493
Dunno, think they're divorced. Prices of the houses here have more than doubled in the last five years. I'm guessing they took some equity out of it. They've got an older van that's been parked on their driveway since I moved in about four years ago.

>>56488483
>right up there with thinking the US national debt matters
it's doesn't matter until no one wants to purchase US debt anymore. Open your eyes and you might just figure out what's happening.

>>56488483
What a fucking dishonest shill. Who is going to write your paychecks when the interest payments on the national debt exceed tax revenues? Printing money will cause a hyperinflationary collapse in this environment. The military is funded by debt, and that debt is unsustainable. It's all collapsing because of you incompetent marxist diversity hires in the government.

>>56488502
FED pause will re-accelerate inflation, but that is intended.
Anybody who bought today, or will buy next week has bought the medium term bottom in the S&P500.

>>56488494
>taking profits is far better than taking losses
Your strategy should be to maximize expected value of all your trades in aggregate, not to maximize win rate. If you focus on the latter it is likely you're in it for the dopamine you hit when you "win" a trade. Ironically win rate percentage is often correlated with the long term expected value. You win $1 10 times in a row then lose $11 bagholding a loser. The best strategies maximize the profit on winning trades and minimize the losses on losing trades. The best way to do that is cut losers fast and let winners ride as long as possible. By cutting your winners fast thinking "never lost money taking profit" you are severely diminishing the expected value of your system and you will likely be a net loser in the long run

>>56488502
>rallye
>rallye
>rallye
Are you mentally disabled or just ESL?

>>56488508
The crash happens after rates go down, because the Fed only lowers rates in response to something seriously breaking in the economy.

>>56488525
>Ironically win rate percentage is often correlated with the long term expected value
this obviously should be inversely correlated

>>56488524
>Capitalizes Fed like it's an acronym
>Has a retarded opinion about economics
Color me shocked!

>>56488518
Imagine unironically thinking that people will just stop buying US bonds. Christ.

>>56488524
only sane poster itt

>>56488502
Yup, green all next week. Gdp was +5%, companies are smashing estimated earnings, we have disinflation, record levels of employment, positive wage growth (yes, even after inflation) and a healthy, in line with historical trend forward p/e ratio. There is no reason for this dump.

>>56488294
>+2 PCT
Solely because of my fat Intel bags and SOXL. AFRM is still fucking me month after month after month but I don't care anymore. Going to hold onto it fivever.

>>56488493

>>56488525
>>56488530
Yeah it's the same with poker players, a very similar concept. Winning pros win 60% of the time, with bigger winning sessions than losing ones.
Losers will win 80-90% because they leave as soon as they are up, and if they start the session down they will chase and chase until they are either busto or break even. When someone brags about having 70-80% winning sessions, everyone instantly knows he must be a losing player. Same concept here

>>56488533
Your following the stereotypical glownigger script of being dismissive without posting any substantive arguments. Statistically speaking, you're probably a Mexican woman living somewhere in Virginia.

how expensive is a bankruptcy petition

>>56488546
>lie about CPI
>whoah, GDP is suddenly going way up!!!
Is anyone actually dumb enough to fall for this?

>>56488546
Woahhhh there anon stop throwing all those facts around! Didn't you know the world is crashing down?!

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>>56488525
I'm a swing trader. I follow the charts, it's as simple as that. I don't look for moonshots, I look for profit, that's it.

>>56488554
Precisely. And the sad thing is the human psyche isn't engineered to sit through a run of small losses waiting for the single big win. We are wired to want to win more and more and most losers get caught up exactly this way. Trading is brutal because you have to learn to go against everything that feels natural in order to win

>>56488533
>Color me shocked!
Watch & learn.

>>56488493
I have never had more than one paycheck's worth of debt. (other than a student loan I took out the last semester of college which I paid back after a few months of working.)

GO
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>>56488566
You fucking glownigger.

>>56488533
>Imagine unironically thinking that people will just stop buying US bonds.
Not only are people not buying long term bonds, foreign holders of US bonds are dumping at record levels. retail bond holders are dumping their bonds at huge losses in order to pay their mortgages and car payments. banks will start dumping as well to cover massive deposit outflows. the most recent bond auctions were absolute disasters.

>>56488570
What happens when you buy and it keeps going down?

>>56488622
that's what stop losses are for.

>>56488633
Oh so you do cut losses. How are we in disagreement here?

>>56488564
They have never not lied about CPI.
GDP is exploding because of record deficit spending which surprisingly flows into the real economy.
Biden will be re-elected because the single topic that will overshadow all others during this election cycle will be how great and grand the US support for Israel will be. This will be 90% of then next election. And Biden is going to promise "whatever it takes."
The US will be engaged in a hot war again before the next mid terms.
Interest rates will rise,
indices relentlessly trend to the upside,
simultaneously.