/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56481408
Oil bros...

>>56481423
i-its recovering! just keep holding! they'll do something in the middle east this weekend like they always do, tr-trust the plan!

Pump up the jam, pump it up
While your feet are stompin'
And the jam is pumpin'
Look ahead, the crowd is jumpin'
Pump it up a little more
Get the party going on the dance floor
See, 'cause that's where the party's at
And you'll find out if you do that

>>56481433
checked

>>56481423
>One of the US bases hit by drones was the Conoco Gas Field
This aggression will not stand, man.

remember when picrelated was supposed to spell the end of all things?

>>56481433
>t0qp8G77
>77
checked

>>56481440
>Started going off a cliff in July
>So did the market
Not sure I see your point.

Tomorrow will be green.

>>56481443
>off by 1

>>56481440
This stuff takes time. Rome didn't fall in a day.

>>56481434
>>56481443
>>56481452

>futures

The government is spending money they don't have on wars they can't win. What are the financial implications?

>>56481464
Who cares core pce can completely change whatever trend we’re in an hour before open

>>56481496
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>>56481496
Lmfao get up to speed fag. Imagine thinking the US military doesn't have a practically infinite budget.

This chart lines up almost perfectly with the NASDAQ price history since 2008. Imagine buying the top of this chart right now.

>>56481523
>>56481525
So what happens when inflation is already too high and then interest payments also start to exceed tax revenue? Is your plan to borrow more to pay the interest? This is the debt that is currently funding the military.

>>56481556
How the fuck do you idiots post about this over and over and over again but you still don't understand? The military has a black budget you'll never hear about. Where does the money come from? Fuck you lol that's where

Seriously what the fuck guys it's 2023 get with the goddamn fiat dollar program

>>56481571
They're lying about inflation and then claiming that the inflation is actually GDP growth. We're collapsing.

>>56481571
If I've learned anything it's to inverse Cathie Wood

>>56481556
>>56481577
They're just going to print the entire

>>56481577
So in your hypothetical cope scenario, you're saying that the military is going to print trillions of new dollars into existence just to fund itself? Won't that make inflation even worse?

>>56481456
You have double "e"s in your ID.

>>56481588
The entire what? THE ENTIRE WHAT?? GLOWIES ASSASSINATED ANON!!!

>>56481600
You have double "l"s (lowercase L -- I searched the letter and confirmed it's an L and not an i) in your ID. Additionally you have double "0s" in your post number.

>>56481608
Y-you too.

>>56481620
What? No I don't.

what are some good bass riffs to learn? preferably easy stuff as i'm still a beginner and not used to actually spreading my fingers out to play the notes. i like the melodic stuff like green day or joy division. simple walking basslines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAAqKx4aD_g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4poa1zXph5E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90LcbPXL08w

>start with $150
>increase on good trade to $567
>lose on bad trade back to $150
>increase on good trade to $333
>lose on bad trade back to $150
>increase on hood trade to $200
So I guess I should just withdraw whatever I make past $150 since I’m bound to lose it anyway?

>>56481656
>increase on hood trade
Well there's your problem.

>>56481589
No I'm saying that whatever you think funds the military is definitely not what funds the military and you need to get past a 7th grade level of understanding how the US works

>>56481673
Where does the trillion dollar budget come from then? Explain it to me, coper.

>>56481692
It doesn't affect the money supply/velocity because you don't know about it.
How do you not understand this? Are you a kindergartner?

>>56481727
You didn't answer the question. If the military budget won't come from tax revenue, and it won't come from debt, and it won't come from printing new money, then where else will the military budget come from? Stop dodging the question.

>oil
WE ARE SO BACK

>>56481656
Your risk is way too high. That's why it's all boom and bust with no long term progress.

>>56481744
selling drugs

>>56481744
Lol I was mocking the person you were replying to.

>>56479095
Lmao I can’t believe my put spread I clicked in on accident is working out. I was super convinced Amazon was going to show up with a disastrous print and I was going to be locked in on a -$25k with no way to get out of my position before open. As long as we hold around these levels or go higher I should be able to close out at open and capture most of the theta value.

>>56481571
I want to like Cathie Wood so much but g'dam her investing skills leave room for improvement. Really puts a damper on my enthusiasm for any of her other work. At the end of the day you're only right if you're making money and well..

>>56481757
One *Trillion* (with a T) dollars of drugs would be about $3000 dollars of fentanyl for every man, woman, and child in the United States, *every* *year*.

>>56481762
It just shows that the shills have been reduced to literal Poe's Law-tier arguments.

>>56481650
Tool's Lateralus sounds cool as hell but is surprisingly easy to learn

guys
if we drop another 1% tomorrow and my vanguard account goes below $400k I will chimp

>>56481757
Heh that's actually pretty believable. Most of the big time drug stuff seems to at least be connected to the intelligence agencies.

>>56481764
You should buy the next round moneybags

What will the price of SPY be at 4pm tomorrow? It's a weekend remember

House went up almost 50% the last four years, going to sell it. Interest rates look like shit so planning on renting for less than 1/4 my 2.5% 30 year. Looking like the market is crasching, and I'm hoping to get like 35% back to make some real bags. Slum lord.

>>56481839
At least 1% lower than what it closed at today.

>>56481839
420.

I should have closed my shorts but i always beheem myself

>>56481845
I did the same, I put the money from the sale in a few different HYSAs and make enough off the interest to rent a nicer house one block over from my old house. The guy who bought it from me bought it with a mortgage to make it a rental and hasn’t been able to find a tenant, he wants higher rent than I’m paying which will never happen and probably needs it to stay cash flow positive on the mortgage payments. Meanwhile when my lease is up I’ll almost certainly be able to negotiate lower rent or rent a nicer place again for less. I’d bought it at the market bottom too, got better appreciation over the time I held than SPY, and didn’t have to pay capital gains taxes either.

>>56481533
what's the trough of despair line up with date and price wise?

>>56481875
I found a rental a few minutes away half the size of my current place for 1/4 the cost and it's actually a smaller and quieter neighborhood. I feel like a vulture, but it'll be for rent and jumping in that will save me 4k a month to invest.

This is the highest my portfolio has been, or ever will be I guess.
Good Night sweet lads

Is a formal declaration of war against Iran bullish or bearish?

>>56481902
REALLY fucking low.

Relief rally before Black Monday

>>56481942
Incredibly bullish for gold

>>56481839
What happened to him in the last panel?
>>56481942
Extremely bullish

>>56481980
>What happened to him in the last panel?
He wasn't ready for that jelly

>>56481858
Are you sure? If I buy 0DTE $420 butterflies on it and it's nowhere near that, I'm gonna hunt you down and send you a strongly worded letter

>futures
>yields

Any chance TQQQ hits 39 tomorrow?

>>56482019
I haven't looked, but it's probably like a 12% chance
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>>56481803
>Tool
jk, i'll give it a listen

>>56482019
>TQQQ
>39
>tomorrow
you havin a giggle mate?

>>56481925
Wagmi....

Puts at 3

>>56481408
>AMZN beats earnings
>AH skyrockets

I swear to fucking god if any of this shit dumps at open tomorrow, I will be pissed...

>>56481533
>>56481902
>>56481950

>>56481744
Did you ever open your bank account in a browser and click inspect element to add a zero to your balance? Thats where the money comes from.

Give it to me homosexual. Will I be able to sell these for 7 or 8 bucks a pop tomorrow? Or do I have to hold over the weekend for it all to blow up in my face?
>this is my best position at the moment

>>56482057
Please don't bully

>>56482108
>11/10
you good but you might have to wait if people get spooked and start buying puts for the weekend

>>56482108
>>this is my best position at the moment
>-$10.71%
anon.... i.....i think you might have to lower your expectactions....

>>56482019
FUCKED

I don't want this week to end in a bloodbath, my bags were already bleeding too much red lately, fuck

Financially speaking, how do I invest in women that will let me take a shit on their chest?

>>56482236
GEO they won’t be women though.

I think my financial advisor has moved some of money into a "dividend growth" fund...

>>56482236
There's always THD, the Thailand ETF. Like the other anon said they won't be women however you might find some cute women(male)

>>56481440
>>56481446
>it lines up

>>56482273
>letting other people manage his money
ngmi

Ooo my QQQ calls might print today, I didn't quite bottom tick it yesterday, but close enough. I love catching these falling knives and not cutting myself all to hell

>>56482122
He's gonna thump your ears from his desk behind you and shoot spitballs at the back of your head while the whole class laughs at you

load up on COIN and MARA once we finish dumping
shit's going up

I can't help but chuckle at all the long winded bull cope I've been reading the last few hours here. You all realize the dump hasn't even started yet right? You aren't all so delusional to thing we just V back up and march on to new highs are you? Wait.. wait, you really *do* believe that mumutard copium don't you? Oh my sweet summer children, it's gonna be a cold winter and a long bear market for you I'm afraid. Very very cold and exceedingly long

>>56482373
They're literally government shills. Back when all the banks were collapsing in March, someone linked to a document literally authorizing the DHS to consider bearish economic sentiments posted online as an attack on the United States, and censor and/or shill against them. You have no fucking idea how deep the rot goes.

Any pussy gel holocaust survivors?

>>56481440
I remember when people were expecting market crash when 10y went over 2%

>>56482436
>>56482444
Shalom!

>>56482373
>the market cant possibly go up

thats why i bought you broke schizophrenic doomer. two more weeks right

>>56482358
Way ahead of ya
$70 Mara and $80 Riot EOY

>>56482459
Literally nobody uses that word except for shills though.

Buy MO

please stop dumping...

>>56482471
i dont want you to take your meds, because then you might invest differently. i want the market to heem you, i only need to wait.

>US dumps again
>Asia gigapumps
>EU futures nicely green
Absolute kek. I am guessing a slight dump in the EU to price in the US dump and then gigapump as the PCE comes in neutral.
Also wtf was that US GDP data? Supported by strong consumer numbers... and bears told me last year that consumers/normies would be throwing themselves out the window if rates ever were to go 4%+. Shows what people know about the economy

https://www.chathamfinancial.com/technology/us-market-rates

AAAAAAAAAAH STOP SELLING I HAVEN'T SHORTED YET

10 year yields are pumping again.

>>56482493
Fag.

>>56482511
If you lie about CPI then that also makes GDP look good even if the entire economy is doing poorly. Shills hate it when you compare Numerica to the corruption in the Soviet Union because it's fucking TRUE.

>>56482511
well so much for Amazon saving the markets, god fucking damn it

>futures

https://youtu.be/Ddpx0JLOH6o?si=6e5lwNh2tDHViv6X

>>56482511
We underestimated just how much consooming is an inherently american trait. We europeans are not on the same level as you guys when it comes to this. Maybe because we have seen more of the world, maybe because we know where most countries are on a map and that the world is a globe. I don't know, we simply do not like to destroy the world as much as you do.

>>56482488
so you want it to "pump"?

>>56481650
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG--dQMdiQI

>>56481942
The US has been perpetually at war for over 100 years. War has no impact on markets it's just background noise.

>Managers say Gen Zers aren't getting work done and lack basic social skills, per BI

keklmao job markets are fucked

>>56482570
>War has no impact on markets it's just background noise.

Yes, it doesnt. Until it does.

>>56482556
>t

>>56482543
At least I was right about something. I bet on AMZN utterly demolishing expectations (since come on, it's Amazon... and the consumer is still very strong) and I was right. Can't imagine AMZN falling on these earnings and coming into the Winter season when the consumer is the strongest.
>>56482542
Any kind of bureaucracy entails corruption and you'll have to be severely autistic or normified to believe otherwise. If you have ever worked in the government, bureaucracy, or with data analysis pertaining to the two, you know just how bloody corrupt people are.
>>56482556
We europeans are getting there though. Consumer strength in Scandinavia for example has barely diminished over the year. I dunno man. I was on vacation to these supposedly "poorer" countries like Czech Republic and HOLY SHIT it was legit more expensive than in Sweden or Denmark. People were still consuming like there's no tomorrow.
People live on massive loans that they took during ZIRP times and during Covid.
The consoooming culture in my opinion is very much alive in the EU and nobody can convince me otherwise. Restaurants are full and even the official statistics support my view

>>56482589
Funny except for the toast part. We make and eat real bread and have a bread culture.

>>56482594
Inflation is a death spiral, which is why it is called wage-price spiral. You buy because you expect the price to be much higher later, so you buy now and with that fuel inflation. I saw it on myself when I thought about buying some perfumes that I think increased in price and I wanted to buy them cheaper as I was expecting them to become more expensive. But at the same time me buying them would encourage the sellers to increase the price. Inflation EXPECTATION is meaningful.

>>56482600
>bread culture
My wife bakes bread from scratch here at the hpuse and it's the only bread I eat. It's pretty good

>>56482594
We're not just talking about some minor corruption. We're talking about complete fucking falsification of all economic data. It's made up propaganda like you would read in the Soviet Union or Maoist China.

>>56482600
Maybe in central and eastern Europe. Here in the west and the north, I'd say toast is more popular. That is of course just my anecdotal evidence.
>>56482603
At least they have decent wages in the US but here? The service, food, and recreation inflation has gone berserk but wages have gone up what... 7%? And normies are fuckin happy about it... fuckin hell. If I get one more question from a normie about "why prices aren't dropping since inflation is dropping" I am gonna lose my mind.
Inflation is indeed a death spiral but it was inevitable that this would happen. A ZIRP policy for such an insanely long time would inevitably have some consequences. Still, the average normie largely benefited.

>>56482631
Their wages are higher, but isn't everything also more expensive nominally? So isn't everything hyperinflated except maybe gasoline which is way cheaper than in the EU?

>>56482635
Depends where you live. If your stuck in some coastal high cost of living city like San Francisco or New York then of course everything is massively expensive. The majority of the country isn't like that though. I live in Florida in a metro area with a population over a million so not rural and things are quite cheap. Me and my wife can eat out at a restaurant for $20-$25 depending on where we go. Our favorite lunch spot feeds us both for less than a tenner. Favorite coffee house has cappuccino for $3 a cup. The Aldi's is within walking distance and has food for cheap. Our mortgage payment is embarassingly low since we bought in 2011. And of course gas was less than $3 a gallon last time I filled up. Despite it being Florida, thus hotter than most of the US, our electric bill is usually around $120 per month and that's using the AC plenty

>>56482661
>20-25$
What the fuck are those 100$ tinder dates then? Kek.
>3$ a gallon
Meanwhile germany about 1,85-2Euros for 1 litre, kek.

>futures
Get got.

Yields...

maybe I should diversify my shorts a little more. France looks like it is getting heemed more than germany currently.

Tomorrow we will dump even harder than today.

>>56481423
I bought at 83.

>>56482631
Sweden reported today negative consumer spending. Spain on the other hand is 6% yoy

>>56482661
>$3 a gallon
Last time I refilled it cost me more than $8/gallon :). Yey living in Scandinavia. I went to a restaurant last month (was kind of forced to) and it cost 23 bucks PER PIZZA. And the normies around me were more than happy to throw their money into that pit of fire. There is a reason why it's called greedflation. It's because everyone is greedy. Everyone has too much money. Most money in circulation (at least here) was created during 2005-present and 25% was created during Covid. The big money got even bigger and even normies got some of the cake.
There is a reason I bought last year as it dumped. Consuumerism ain't gonna stop, earnings are insane, and we have a stagnating inflation which means companies are free to price gouge and normies won't particularly care unless this situation drags out for another two-three years

>>56482665
>What the fuck are those 100$ tinder dates then? Kek.
Yeah it's been a while since I dated but I used to live in Atlanta and depending on how expensive the girl's tastes are you can easily find a restaurant that'll take a hundred dollar bill off your hands. Those places are best avoided except on really special occasions. I go to pic related about once a year and it's something like $50 a plate when it's all said and done but g'DAM the filet is good

>>56482665
I don't think a 40yo with a wife is going to care about going on 100 dollar tinder dates to impress 25yo zillennial sluts.

Ramen noodles aren't too bad if you add some beef bullion to the water, and cut up some onions, bell peppers, and a couple jalapenos slices and a little garlic, and then drop an egg into the boiling water and stir it around.

Maybe add some shrimp or chicken too it as well idk, but I didn't have any meat really. Meat is getting expensive though

>>56482702
Oooo I want that 18oz prime rib wit some auju, can you go ahead and dash it to me boss? Thanks

We're going home oilchads

>>56482693
I hope not, my AMZN bags depends on it

>>56482697
$8 a gallon is brutal but of course the bright side is you guys have that public transport system. We have, uh, something one could pretend is "public transportation" but yeah it's basically a non-starter unless you are absolutely desperate. Last time I rode the bus in my city was probably 2015 and after that I was like fuck this. You can imagine why
>>56482736
I gotchu. Tthe prime rib from there just melts in your mouth. It's my other favorite. They don't open for a few hours yet and I'll forward the shipping charges to your secretary

>>56481650
Men I Trust has some great simple basslines in their songs
https://youtu.be/TNsSBhl_2LI?si=wRpY9dOgPrr0soDt
https://youtu.be/OZRYzH0Q0pU?si=p8ZYpN9MjI2M0hUU
https://youtu.be/9IZKcb3LndA?si=Gb-JYEizvqYioAzV

>>56482710
I accidentally too much oil in the pan for my fried potatoes this evening so they were more like hashbrowns and I probably nudged the day I die of a heart attack forward one day.

>>56482761
30km drive by bus costs me $5, bro. It ain't cheap. What is cheap is taking the train if you are a student. You can move 400km for a paltry $15, which is nice.
Public transportation has gotten expensive. Transportation inflation has skyrocketed (also supported by official statistics) and nobody seems to mind.

Huh, my steel investments are suddenly doing great, the fugg?

>>56482706
Just joking, as you constantly read about 100$ tinderdate expectations in the US.

>>56482706
kek this is an uncannily accurate assessment of the situation

>>56482706
men of all age are desperate to compete for young whores. And in democracy, men a of all age even compete for post menopausal sluts kek

It's honestly bizarre how little talk there is of potential oil trade disruption in the middle east.

It's Iran's main way of putting pressure on the United States and they even have a proxy who can do it for them.

Like I'm pretty sure the entire reason Hamas/Iran decided to go ahead with this now is because Russian supply restrictions give them maximum leverage.

>>56482823
Generalplan Süd to naturalize Venezuela as the 51st state is already in motion.

>>56482823
I am bullish on oil in the short term but the reality is that saudis refusing to normalize with jews, russia and arabia and iran cutting production and attacking oil fields is done specifically because this winter will be a big fatty dumpy in oil prices. Oil will get back up to 99 dollars a barrel in november and then it's a violent candle down to 60 bucks as we go into recession.

>>56482823
It's my understanding that if Iran tried to actually block the Strait of Hormuz that in short order there wouldn't be an Iranian left alive within half a mile of the coast. They know this hence why it isn't a credible consideration

>>56482822
I unironically believe your situation wouldn't be as dire/fucked if brothels were allowed in your country. Me knowing I could just get pussy for a few Euros certainly influences how much I'm willing to pay for a date. Not that I ever paid more than 10-20 Euros for anything on a date. Not that I ever will pay more than that for getting to know somebody.

>>56482842
>there wouldn't be an Iranian left alive within half a mile of the coast
What do you mean by this? Nuke or invasion or what? And by whom? The US or Israel? After so many invasion etc, Iraq and Afghanistan, I cannot fuckin imagine the world to further accept any of those acts by the US anymore.

in 10 minutes
>ECB Survey of Professional Forecasters

Imagine calling yourself a ''professional forecaster'' lol. The state of bureaucrats.

>>56482823
If they fugg up their oil, that's it, their economy will be fugged forever. They have oil and only oil. They have nothing else going on for them. They need to leverage that correctly and wisely

>>56482850
If there's one thing we're good at it's pumping the Euro.

>>56482842
If it came to an all out war then the straits could be closed for months, I think that's unlikely though.
What I suspect is that we will start seeing tankers having mysterious accidents in the Persian gulf.

ECB's Muller: The Euro Area is likely to recover gradually in 2024.
ECB's Muller: A deep recession is not needed to tame inflation.

>>56482848
>I cannot fuckin imagine the world to further accept any of those acts by the US anymore.
The US will play nice in front of the cameras and tolerate a lot of sass from the rest of the world but you get between her and her oil and the claws will come out. That's when you start seeing regime changes happen and "democracy" getting spread around. You really don't want to see that happen and Iran doesn't either especially since they're already on the shit list anyway. A lot of expensive and heavy military firepower, warships, etc. was recently moved by the US over to the middle east. It isn't there just for show

>>56482855
Eh, natgas? The sea belongs half to them and so half the natgas there.

>>56482876
Iran is too large and stable to do that it seems otherwise they would have probably already done it.

>>56482823
Another problem as well is that compared to 1973, the 'west' is a considerably smaller proportion of the global oil market, that means that embargoing oil to Israel supporting nations will be much less damaging to Arab states as it was back then.

>>56482876
>>56482884
>That's when you start seeing regime changes happen and "democracy" getting spread around.
They've been trying this for a while. Remember that feminist protest shit going on a few months back? CIA trannies aren't what they used to be

>>56482884
Well as long as they stick to their knitting and don't try any funny business in the Strait they won't have to put that theory to the test. I for one really hope they don't

>>56482898
>>They've been trying this for a while. Remember that feminist protest shit going on a few months back?
i don't member. you have a normie link about this?

If you observe oilyboys you'll see most oil companies are fucked straight to hell in terms of share price right now. Most of them are going to report record profits in the next few days. Companies like Chevron will probably have a fat little bull run from 154 back to 170 over the next month. Naturally, this is bullish.

BUILD BACK BETTER PUMP INCOMING. LETS FREAKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>56482906
I for one hope they fuck the west just one time to make them stop being such insufferable hypocrite faggots.

>>56482930
Wikipedia covers it pretty well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests
Hard to say exactly how much is organic and how much is foreign interference as usual but I don't doubt there's a lot of powerful figures who'd want to get something out of instability in Iran

>>56482979
Why would you want to see the Iranian people suffer like that? Do you actually think they have some kind of win against the US war machine? Remember this is oil we're discussing and that's the one thing the US doesn't fuck around about. Who is going to defend Iran against the US? Who would hsve a prayer to be able to? Russia? They have their own problems already prosecuting a ground war in Europe with their antiquated munitions. China? And upset the already tenuous relationship with the US? The EU? That's laughable as they'd never even dream of a showdown with the US under any circumstances much less over Iran and with what firepower anyway? If you think for one nanosecond that Iran has anything in their favor you are sadly mistaken. I sincerely hope they have better sense than to try anything serious. I do not want to see that kind of suffering and you shouldn't either

>>56483006
I'm not going to say the US can't win in the graveyard of empires, but

Does anyone have an explanation for the gdp print? How could it be that high, are people loading up another credit card with 30% rate just to keep consoooom or wtf is this

I knew I should have boughted, just to try my hedge strategy, damn.

>>56483006
I don't want to see people suffer, especially not iranian. I want the west to stop fuckin up other countries and act superior, morally as in other ways. I want the whole world even the most supportive faggots for the US to see what they'd do just for oil.

>>56483011
They're not trying to win anything in the traditional sense in the middle east. They just want the oil to flow and they've been exceedingly successful at it for quite a few decades. The US could give a shit less about the ethnic strife, border skirmishes, dictatorships, democracies, or anything else over there. Oil. Pure and simple. They want it and they'll get it. Count on that

>Stock market youtuber i watch recommended his viewers to go into money market funds and put money into high yield savings accounts for the first time since i have watched him for around 2 years now
>never once suggested this before

is this bullish or bearish on the overall market

>>56483029
depends, is he shit or the shit?

Are american salaries exaggerated or are you guys really earning $100k/y on average? Here €30k/y net is a lot of money already

>>56483014
american consumerism is 30% of the world gdp. Even more the bigger picture if that the whole purpose of democracy is to make the GDP go up in order for merchants and civil servants to get richer through businesses and taxes.
Dormers say it's the covid money and revenge consoooming but it's late 2023 and this is over.
Also don't forget that women are most of the consumers and they don't give a shit about bills since they get their orbiters to pay them lol.

>>56483047
I haven't looked at the statistics lately but 100k might be average per household. I seriously doubt it's per person. I think for individuals it's like half that, maybe 49k

>>56483045
he seems pretty level headed when he talks about the market and isn't overly bearish or bullish on it either and looks at it almost purely on an object level so i dont know if thats a good thing to hear

>>56483047
median american earning is 50k
average net earning in europe is 30k

all the stuff you see about the 100k/year is the FED money poured into tech.
Look at all the whores on twitch and YouTube earnings.
Imagine earning 750k/2years just by showing ads while playing chess. That's the liquidity injected by the bureaucrats since they created the GFC in 2008.

>>56483047
Median income in my town is 113k. I only make 80k. If I work a fuckload of OT(possible we got a person out with cancer so a bunch of shifts are available) I may be able to crack 100k. I feel poor and will never be able to afford a house in a white neighborhood, even a black neighborhood would take years of savings. This is america. Woah.

>>56483029
he is jsut 9 months late on the move lol. Anyway with the fall of tech in the last weeks. the safe even is now the new bonds and money market indeed.

>>56483082
Well, I for one have been cash gang for a few months now. Everything sussing too much for my liking

>>56483047
For people with any degree of skill (meaning we remove people of ehem certain persuasions and backgrounds), the salary is 80k+. Thanks to the service inflation, trades and service jobs have dramatically caught up in terms of wages. Engineering still pays like crazy.
They really do have it better than us. A graduate engineer with a master's degree gets around 43k dollars per year and that's before taxes. After taxes, it's 30k at most. Absolutely pathetic.
There is a reason why americans can consooom more. It's because they can. That is also why the US keeps growing like it does

>>56483025
You sound like a colossal boomer
It's not the 90s any more, american military power isn't an instant win button any more
>not trying to win anything in the traditional sense
what is controlling resources if not "winning" in the "traditional sense"?
Financially speaking

>>56483125
>american military power isn't an instant win button any more
Brooooo...

Goldbros, we are eating good as of late. It sure looks like we're gonna punch through that 2000 barrier. I wonder if it holds though. Let's just hope the PCE doesn't surprise to the upside

>>56483110
>the US keeps growing
This I don't get compared to e.g. Europe. Coming out of the GFC in 2009, the US and EU economy were roughly the same size. Since then the US economy has doubled and Europe has remained about the same. How is this possible? Did the debt crisis really have that large of an impact? This is even more perplexing when you realize Europe has 50% higher population. It's not like the US is sitting on magic dirt or the culture is that dramatically different. There are differences of course but that much?
>>56483125
Winning in the traditional sense meaning any objective other than securing oil. That's why the ME is a "graveyard for empires". The ME has been invaded for centuries for umpteen reasons none of which the US cares about. The goal isn't complex so it's not something that will mire the US down. Focus and eye on the ball is the difference. The US has that.
>the american military isn't instant win like the 90s
The US military is relatively more powerful than any other military now than it was in the 90s. You're delusional to believe otherwise. Nobody spends anywhere near what the US spends on munitions and hardware and that spend accelerates every year. I realize that the just world fallacy demands that people see the US as a declining empire getting weaker but that is opposite of the truth especially militarily. The time will eventually come but not yet
>you sound like a boomer
I'm a realist

>>56483185
And still fucked up in Afghanistan and pretty much Iraq too.

>>56483203
You don't get it. I'll spell it out again.
OIL
I
L
Is it flowing? Yes it is. The "objective" is accomplished. That's it. Not democracy, not human rights, not eradicating the fucking taliban. As long as oil flows uninterrupted the US has accomplished its singular goal. Once you accept that it'll all make more semse to you

>>56483014
trillions of excess savings from the stimmies and huge deficit spending had to show up somewhere

also a real shift in mindset with reshoring and related investments

the world economy still runs because of the american consumer just like it has for the past 70 years

If you lie about inflation going down, it makes it look like GDP is going up. Jesus christ, was all of /smg/ born yesterday?

>>56483224
So, government war aid and jews fleeing to us stonks?

>>56483220
What oil does Afghanistan have?

>>56483185
>Europe has remained about the same
Not true. Many countries in the EU have had phenomenal growth, such as Norway, Sweden, Luxembourg, and best of all Ireland. But yeah, Germany, Netherlands, France, and so on have been pretty abysmal.
The EU is way more segmented than people assume... just like the US. Some states are doing great while others are lackluster.

The EU is still a great investment in my opinion. You just have to pick the good countries and the good investments a bit more carefully than in the US. In the US, you can pretty much select whatever mega cap or a really large cap and be confident that you will get nice returns

>>56483254
>>56483220
They have that white liquid you can inject in your veins to sleep and maybe dream heavily. That's the oil they have.

reminder if natgas pumps further the entire derivatives market will collapse

>>56483264
Of brapgas, specifically, or in general?

>>56482106
You should get a three day ban for posting while being this retarded.

>>56483224
>the world economy still runs because of the american consumer just like it has for the past 70 years
anon the collapse of bretton woods was a major shift in american production as well. Before the oil crisis America was the manufacturing hub of the world, not the consoomer hole it is now

>>56483269
That's essentially what they're doing though. It's fake and gay.

>>56483047
I was making more than that when I had a job and both places I'm interviewing at next week are offering more.

>>56483266
depends on how bad. If it hits like 3.50 then in general

>>56483274
No it's not. "Money printing" works by issuing debt (which makes the situation much worse than just adding zeros to the TGA.) If you don't understand this stop posting until you do.

>>56481408
Where does everyone hang out to get stock alpha?

>>56483254
The oil that flows from the other middle eastern countries not destabilized by the unaligned I terests in Afghanistan had they been left to their own devices at the time. The region has to be taken as a whole in the greater context. Threats have to be neutralized. Whether those threats are directly sitting on top of the US's oil are immaterial if they potentially threaten the flow of the US's oil underneath neighboring countries' sand
>>56483259
>just have to pick the right countries
This is true. I follow the Dax and it's done reasonably well long term. I follow the Euro stocx 50 and 600 too as well as the bank index and FTSE 100. Some euro indexes definitely outpace others. Individual companies too. Novo Nordisk(spelling?) is a fucking monster
>>56483261
There is that. I don't follow that market closely though

Big gdp print means no recession so oil pumps. Gaymfs were shorting it.

>>56483290
FTSE 100 is a shorter's paradise. I will watch that for my financial future, adding to shorting DAX which appears a little riskier especially since dividends pump that retard higher with every year.

>The region has to be taken as a whole in the greater context. Threats have to be neutralized. Whether those threats are directly sitting on top of the US's oil are immaterial if they potentially threaten the flow of the US's oil underneath neighboring countries' sand.

The problem is Afghanistan is the same as before, Taliban is reigning. So is that goal really achieved or is this now some other kind of taliban that is no threat to the whole region.

>>56483047
It doesnt matter, its entirely not comparable, some people in europe only make 10k€ per year and yet are alive and well too

>>56483273
What's fucked is the US is still the second largest manufacturing in the world after China. Fuck if I know how but the US still outputs a fuckton

>>56483290
>Novo Nordisk
That one single handedly carries the entirety of Denmark. Germany and Sweden also have many great companies such as Atlas Copco, Trelleborg, Volvo, and smaller specialization companies that have yielded me great performance (on par with the best the US has to offer).
And of course we have European regional banks that have insane profits, earnings, and divvies. Love those stocks

>office stacy just notified me I have to present myself to the new bigger team now that multiple teams have merged
>wouldn't it be fun to show yourself with a powerpoint slide and a few minutes of introducing yourself
PLEASE PUMP MY BAGS BEFORE NEXT MONDAY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I HATE IT I HATE IT HATE IT

>>56483280
The treasury issues debt, and then the Federal Reserve buys it by adding more zeroes. It's both.

>>56483317
They are retaking their rightful place, usuring the throne, and putting China back into the dirt. There is a reason I am still very much bullish. Hmm, and the strong GDP figures just re-affirmed my bullishness.

>oil

yeah we're back

>>56483357
You get fucked going in and out though. If you were just adding zeros inflation would be the only issue.

So, the dump is already over?

>>56483306
The US was fucking around in Afghanistan for 20 years keeping the place occupied. Oil flowed. Maybe after the 2 decades they figured they had finished and Afghanistan was no longer strategic to their other goals. I guarantee you this though it had nothing to do with the taliban or democracy or whatever. The US doesn't really care about that stuff. It's a front for the real mission. I can't imagine what that mission would be in the ME other than oil. The place is otherwise worthless. If rekting civil society in Afghanistan for 20 years furthered thst goal then it happens. Simple as it is
I'm not saying the US is perfect militarily and always executes as planned but the outcome of the adventurism is cultural, economic, and military hegemony and a hugely growing economy and stable energy sources. If that's the goal it seems to be working

>>56483366
Tomorrow, against all odds, will end deep fucking red.

>>56483317
Semiconductors are a big part of our manufacturing although actually building things is coming back.

>>56482823
>It's honestly bizarre how little talk there is of potential oil trade disruption in the middle east.
It doesn't really matter absent a depression oil will trend upwards because of supply and demand disbalances. Oil is underinvested since 2011 I believe, and the coof lockdown saga was the cherry on top.

I'm actually stuck at $100,000
Actually stuck
Invested for so long, FINALLY hit 6 figures
BOOM MARKET GOES RED
RED RED RED RED RED
STUCK AT $100,000
6 FIGURE HELL IS REAL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
MONTHLY CONTRIBUTIONS DON'T MATTER
STUCK
NO FORWARD PROGRESS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'M GOING TO DIE I'M GOING TO DIE VIOLENTLY
THE MARKET IS GOING TO DIE VIOLENTLY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>56483369
The mission is
>keep the region destabilized
>keep opium production (US exists to consoom and it needs other countries to produce as cheaply as possible)
>contain the mess it created in the soviet afghan war
and ofc
>keep the military industrial complex happy by making demand for their weapons

>>56483366
So it seems

>>56483384
ayo dis nigga need sum cattle spread

>>56483385
Yeah, we're an oil exporter. We're not going into these shitholes for real resources.

>>56483366
Suggestions on tickers for big milkers? Seems criminally undervalued as a commodity.

anyway yesterday i went to https://www.barchart.com/futures/european/most-active/all and discovered that the futures of OMX Sweden have a huge volume, 5 times bigger than the DAX lol.
Why do swedish people love trading so much?

>>56483359
Yeah the chips act, the inflation reduction act, and the infrastructure bill will be adding trillions to the domestic economy over the coming years. The US isn't fucking around shoring up its internal industrial base lately

>>56483399
Not much unfortunately. There's a crusade (that will fail, as God is not in favor of such a crusade) against this commodity in the West. So you'll have to seek Japanese tickers. I can only think of NTDOY, but let's be real, if it's not on the memeDAQ, investors don't care.

>>56483400
Half of that volume is Qullamaggie

>>56483400
mannen, bara blanka OMX; vakna upp, blanka skiten, läggedags? blanka skiten

Coal brothers is $137 newcastle the bottom?

>>56483405
50 cents have been deposited into your account. Thank you for your service.

>>56483400
That's because the Swedish index is ridiculously easy and free to manipulate. So the big money can make some serious cash. Shorting is a popular pastime in the Swedish index. Big US investors come in, harvest what they can, and leave in a couple of years. Hell, they've been hardcore harvesting (shorting) the Swedish index for more than two years now.
Relatively speaking, a lot of Swedes own stocks. But I wouldn't say they do any serious trading.
>>56483410
What about fertilizer and chemical stocks? They keep pumping crap into our waters/food so females keep maturing sooner and ehem... larger

>>56483436
I'll be sure to invest it in US™ Treasury Bills®

>>56483445
>What about fertilizer
NTR is the best fertilizer company in the world.

>>56483445
My shorts.. :( I closed them at 2165, FML. Could have turned 2k into 5-6k in one week or in other words 2-3k gains, so 100-150%.

This thread is awfully pro america for biz. Shouldn't you be talking about how pozzed america is going to crumble before the might of the russo-chinese alliance. Or oowing and aawing about how some bombing in a third world dhot hole is going to suckered the us into another forever war. It'll be 15-20 years before we fall for that again.

>>56483496
>why don't you talk about irrelevant /pol/cel garbage

>SOXS

>headlines
>oils will report significant profit slumps!
>oil is up 25% or more from lows
Lol

>>56483496
>awfully pro America
That's what deficit spending in a generationally high inflationary environment do to a nation's collective conscious. We all finally threw up our hands like fuck it we ball, 'Murrica bitch fuck yeah

>>56483496
I today read that 900 US soldiers are in deployed in the middle east, because of attacks in Iraq etc.

>NAHOST – TICKER – USA verlegen 900 Soldaten in den Nahen Osten
26 Okt. 2023

You vill die for zog

>>56483529

>>56483496

>USA fliegen Luftangriffe auf Iran-gestützte Milizen in Syrien
>Aktualisiert am 27.10.2023, 11:00 Uhr

Nice, now you also bomb Syria.

>>56483531
>>56483536
Bullish for Germany.

pump and fade into close kind of day

>futures

>The bloodbath in Ford Motor Company’s EV division continues. On Thursday, Ford reported an operating loss of $1.3 billion in its EV division during the third quarter. That translates into a loss of $62,016 for each of the 20,962 EVs it sold during the period.

>That’s a smaller loss than the company recorded in the second quarter, when it lost $72,762 for each EV and the $66,446 it lost per EV during the first quarter. In a press release, the company said the $1.3 billion loss was “attributable to continued investment in next-generation EVs and challenging market dynamics.” It also cited “EV price pressure.” Those “market dynamics” and price pressures are resulting in knee-buckling losses.

>In its October 26 press release, Ford provided an additional comment on the EV losses, saying, “According to the company, many North America customers interested in buying EVs are unwilling to pay premiums for them over gas or hybrid vehicles, sharply compressing EV prices and profitability.” Let’s ignore why Ford is using such an odd formulation — “according to the company”?— and focus on its admission that “many” customers are unwilling to “pay premiums” for EVs.


>Of course, it’s easy to underscore the problems at Ford. But the Dearborn-based auto giant isn’t the only one feeling the EV pain. Indeed, numerous automakers are reporting major losses on EVs or are announcing cutbacks in their EV expansion plans. These moves show that the universe of likely EV buyers is far smaller than the automakers expected. That miscalculation will cost the companies, their shareholders — and taxpayers — tens of billions of dollars in wasted capital.

>The reality is that EVs have long been a niche-market product, not a mass-market one. Further, that niche market is primarily defined by class and ideology.

>>56483555
Bullish for oil.

>>56483555
>The know-how is core to Tesla's "unboxed" manufacturing strategy unveiled by Chief Executive Musk in March, a linchpin of his plan to churn out tens of millions of cheaper EVs in the coming decade, and still make a profit, the sources said. While Tesla has said its unboxed model involves producing large sub-assemblies of a car at the same time and then snapping them together, the size and make-up of the modular blocks is still the subject of speculation. Two of the sources said Tesla's previously unreported new design and manufacturing techniques meant the company could develop a car from the ground up in 18 to 24 months, while most rivals can currently take anywhere from three to four years.

>The five people said a single large frame -- combining the front and rear sections with the middle underbody where the battery is housed -- could be used in Tesla's small EV which it aims to launch with a price tag of $25,000 by the middle of the decade. Tesla was expected to make a decision on whether to die cast the platform in one piece as soon as this month, three of the sources said, though even if they do press ahead the end product could change during the design validation process. The breakthrough Tesla has made centers on the how the giant molds for such a large part are designed and tested for mass production, and how casts can incorporate hollow subframes with internal ribs to cut weight and boost crashworthiness.

>>56483382
In hindsight, the negative oil contract will be the bottom of oil for a century

>>56483555
>Build car where drive train is a wear item
>"Why won't people pay the same for this as a normal car???"
They had to have known this would happen. I refuse to think you can be this incompetent.

>>56483555
EVs were always a scam in the same bucket as all the other feel good non-economic shit that worked during ZIRP but doesn't have a prayer in the real economy where it has to profit sustainably. It doesn't help that Ford is a literal clown show and the UAW will do everything in its power to drive the company into bankruptcy and further irrelevance. I wonder if the workers are the real value then why doesn't the UAW just start manufacturing cars themselves. What do they need useless management for anyway? I wonder

short tech

>>56483589
It's still possible to build EVs that could appeal to the mass market/lower classes. No one wants to do it because they won't be luxury items. It's the same reason cars come with all these retarded frills and touch screens by default now.

>>56483377
The main industry in the US is food and the second largest is pharmaceuticals and chemicals.

>>56483573
>>56483579
>>56483585
>>56483589
>The punchline here is obvious: Ford and the other big automakers have been spending billions of dollars to cater to the whims of a tiny segment of the overall car market — a segment that’s heavily concentrated in a handful of liberal counties. That’s a lousy business strategy.

>On Thursday, Mercedes-Benz reported disappointing earnings and revenues. Reuters quoted the German automaker’s CFO, Harald Wilhelm, who called the EV sector a “pretty brutal space." Reuter said some automakers are selling EVs at prices “below the level of internal combustion engine cars despite their higher production costs.” It also quoted Wilhelm as saying, "I can hardly imagine the current status quo is fully sustainable for everybody.”

>On Wednesday, Reuters reported that Honda and General Motors “were ending a $5 billion plan to develop lower-cost EVs together just a year after announcing the effort.” The article continued, noting that on Tuesday, GM said it “would focus near-term EV efforts on meeting demand rather than hitting specific volume targets.” A GM spokesman told CNBC, “After extensive studies and analysis, we have come to a mutual decision to discontinue the program.” He added that both companies are “committed to affordability in the EV market.” But not, it appears, if that effort includes losing scads of money.

>Last week, Elon Musk warned about slowing demand for EVs after Tesla missed revenue and profit targets for the third quarter. And if Musk is warning about demand, then the EV business must really be in trouble. Musk said that for the “vast majority of people buying a car” the first concern “is about the monthly payment. If interest rates remain high or if they go even higher, it's that much harder for people to buy the car...They simply can't afford it.”

>>56483604
"Computer, electronic and optical products" Is probably going to be largely semiconductors and lithography.

>>56483604
>The main industry in the US is food and the second largest is pharmaceuticals and chemicals.
Well that explains a lot

>>56483613
>A few days before that, General Motors announced it would delay production of its planned Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra electric pickup trucks at a plant in Michigan. And about two weeks ago, Ford said it was cutting one of the three shifts at the plant that builds its electric F-150 Lightning pickup truck. Last month, Ford said it was halting work on an EV battery plant in Marshall, Michigan, that could get billions of dollars in tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act.

>Earlier this week, the chairman of Toyota, Akio Toyoda, couldn’t help but do a bit of a victory dance. Among the major automakers, Toyota has been the most skeptical about EVs and has instead focused much of its development efforts on hybrids. Toyoda said that automakers are "finally seeing reality" about EVs.

>I agree with Toyoda. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: electric vehicles are the Next Big Thing…and they always will be.

>>56483629
This is why I own TM. They seem to be the only car manufacturer actually trying.

futes green bull run back on the menu boys

>>56483621
https://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag334.htm
There you go anon, looking at the labor force, it looks like semis are not the main component of that group.

>>56483629
TM = monkey

everyone else = bananas

>>56483613
>The punchline here is obvious: Ford and the other big automakers have been spending billions of dollars to cater to the whims of a tiny segment of the overall car market — a segment that’s heavily concentrated in a handful of liberal counties. That’s a lousy business strategy.
It's a great business strategy during ZIRP when investors were chasing non-economic ESG brownie points and Blackrock's megalomaniacal Larry Fink was throwing billions around fueling the whole thing. JPow pumped the brakes on that shit real fast though with the rape hikes. The time spent in lala land is over. Fink left all Blackrock's ESG initiatives high and dry. No more teat. I love it cuz I love reality. And reality is worth maintaining

>>56481440
>market dumping
>bonds dumping
>money supply dumping
where is it all going?

The thought of the dissolution of the entire electric car industry just fills me with spasmodic glee. I get giddy just thinking about it

>>56483670
*adjusts crown*

>ECB Nagel says rate hikes have an effect
>doesn't mention september-october 2022 was the inflation peak in the EU
Faggot

>>56482479
im eyeing that at this price too, but all my extra money is in CDs rn not maturing till december-february
will be a nice little bonus for me tho

I utterly despise electric cars. They have too many electric doodads doing who knows what, they track you and spy on you, they have cameras everywhere on them watching everything, they have remote kill switches and can drive themselves so you can't trust them, they have automatic software updates so the manufacture can change and delete features on a whim as it suits their bottom line, everything is a subscription milking their paypigs, I mean customers, after the sale, said paypigs enrage me with their stupid smug arrogance,and on and on. All this started with these glorified golf carts. It's creepy, I don't like it, and I'll do donuts on their graves and roll coal through the electric car funeral procession

>>56483161
yuck, russiods are NOT WHITE, what gross mutant species is that

>>56483703
>They have too many electric doodads doing who knows what, they track you and spy on you, they have cameras everywhere on them watching everything, they have remote kill switches and can drive themselves
that's exactly why they will be the norm. We are in the accumulation phase.

>>56483680
Rates have extremely lagging effects on inflation unless you were to raise them like crazy at once. Inflation has peaked and gone down since then and since the inflation was so high last year, it will seem like inflation is low this year because of "comparison" effects. These bureaucrats know perfectly well how to manipulate what is happening to suit their needs.
Rates of course have an effect but that is only becoming noticeable now. They love to pat their own backs and say "good job, we stood firm in these tough times but ultimately we stand victorious" when in reality they didn't do anything.
The ECB, just like any other central bank, loves inflation. That way, they can pretend to be heroes. Plus inflation is good for their wages and to reduce the state debt... and to start nibbling away at the monetary buffer the middle class has been able to procure during all those years of ZIRP.
Bullish btw.

>>56483648
Of course labor force wise they'll be small.

uh Anon you are buying Austrian 100-year bonds in 2026, right?

>>56482710
>if you add some beef bullion to the water, and cut up some onions, bell peppers, and a couple jalapenos slices and a little garlic, and then drop an egg into the boiling water and stir it around.
If you do all that work why not just make a proper soup.

>>56483703
>>56483675
based

>>56481785
That's just $250 a month dude.

>>56483249
Yes but no one's buying it.

>>56482106
lol

>>56482661
I live in florida and it’s pretty expensive. Martin county. If me and the wife go out to dinner it’s at least $60 before drinks. No income tax so there’s that

>>56483778
$20 is what a cheap fast food meal for two people costs these days so that's probably what he was thinking.

>>56483185
>This I don't get compared to e.g. Europe.
The economy is just people and the European people are dying off (immigrants don't count.)

>>56483778
>>56483790
Pic related is an example of the food at a place down the street we eat at. The price for both of us totals around $20. There are two other main places we rotate with that are around the same. Of course you can spend more elsewhere if you want but this isn't McDonald's I'm talking about. Incidentally pic related sells $100 giftcards at Costco for $75 so it's effectively 25% off making the total price in the teens. You have to be smart and know where to look for the best value

who the fuck is selling?

>>56483837
Everyone.

>>56483837
No one.

>>56483825
Damn a single rack of ribs near me would cost more than $20

>>56483854
why?

>>56483825
I always forget about the cheap barbecue places.

>>56483825
Pic related is the menu item. It's 3 full meat servings. She gets briskit and I usually get pulled pork and sausage. Then we get a side for each of us. Remember these are large US portions and we're not fatties so it's plenty of food. Also we don't drink goyslurp so the waters are free. Add on the 25% discount with the Costco gift card and you see how inexpensive it is for a couple's dinner at this restaurant

>>56483863
It's all overpriced.

>>56483862
>>56483866
Yeah it's pretty great. One of our other spots specializes in cajun food and their muffalettas are fukin awesome. It's cheap as hell too and the salad bar is all you can eat. We're spoiled for cheap good restaurants here

>>56483870
its over sold actually

>>56483882
Not yet. P/E is still too high.

>sell my amazon
>futures 6.72% in the green

>>56483957
>he doesn't know what futures are
they're fixed duration contracts lmao nigger

digits and I fomo into APLM rn

what's that FPS video game where there was a gif/webm called "making the world a better place" where the guy went around spying on other characters with a smart phone and took out furries, liberals, etc.

>>56483981

>>56483981

>>56483981

THREADED

*upsi*

>>56483555

it wouldnt be a recession without an amerigoblin car company needing a bailout

>>56482353
>He's gonna thump your ears from his desk behind you
This is unironically how I got into my first fight, in 5th grade

>>56483975
Watchdogs

Nowhere to go but up :)

not dead yet