/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56466498
>Higher interest should’ve drained the life out of these industries yet they’re still going strong.
That was the opinion of /biz/ Bobos

>>56466498
There's something seriously off about xQc, it all went to his head. Kinda repulsive honestly

>inb4 i'm a poorfag seething
rich people are fine, there's a certain line that xQc somehow manages to cross into being obnoxious though

how do these fuckers make so much money off of having 10-20k people watch them do a glorified podcast?

>>56466558
Competion between the streaming platforms. Once they stop competing and allow their streamers on all platforms, itll drive down their big deals.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND
yes to zoomers onlyfans thots are what coca cola is to boomers

>>56466594
This
Zoomers and also millenials mostly dont watch tv anymore but influencers.
Tv used to get the money.

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>>56466572
Even without the "big deals", attention = money

Harvesting attention from normies in whatever means = $$

Who? Who? Zoomer culture is retarded

>>56466521
meatcanyon nailed it

>>56466498
should george clooney make $30 million in a movie for pretending to be a closeted gay guy with a club foot? or should lebron james be able to make a billion dollars because he's better at putting a ball in a net than other people?

if a million people watch you do something you should probably be expect to make a million dollars at some point. you're not the target audience but there are definitely millions of terminally online people who like these cunts. i personally don't really like xqc but if he has 50,000 people watching him every hour of every day i think he should be able to make bank. get used to it, a lot of people are making money for a lot of stupid shit.

>>56466498
Why would people stop watching streamers because rates are higher? The average twitch viewer has no clue what the federal reserve even is

idk who this guy is but he is alwatys in the recommended videos when i listen to bladee on yt

>>56466558
They also get sponsorships, sell merch, have a patreon and read messages on air for donations. 20k subs is like 200K a year minimum and then you underperforming to an absurd degree.

>>56466672
I guarantee most of these people weren’t on the internet pre 2015. The amount of disable cretins, troons, fags, browns etc I’ve seen amongst these audiences on say: twitter is remarkably high. Reign of quantity and subhumanity infecting all life continues.

>>56466498
>OF bubble
>Streamy zoomie bubble
These things arent bubbles. In our digital world, online friendship/gf simulators will always make absurd money at the top end (pareto distribution). Americans will be starving in the streets and xqc will still be making 8 figures a year. Better to look at the medium income in those respective fields. Pre-pandemic, the 50th percentile OF girl was making 50usd/month. The median twitch streamer works a minimum wage job and is desperately trying to break out of it, streaming 6h a night to 0-3 viewers. If you didnt know this already you are retarded. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make but it certainly doesnt belong on the business and finance board,

>>56467154
>and read messages on air for donations

I've seen those "super donations" on different streamer channels on Youtube and those leave a really bitter taste in my mouth.

>>56466558
It's more like 30-50k viewers.
But the money comes from deals with platforms, video games publishers and hardware brands. Add zoomers giving them sometimes up to tens of thousands of dollars in donation and it really just prints money.

The average business move over the last decade has been to develop a follower base either by being competitive in e-sport or creating content. Then once they have a solid base they move to streaming.

At the end of the day it's just the attention economy. Boomers watch TV, millenials watch Netflix/Youtube and zoomers watch Twitch/Tiktok.

>>56466498
xqc is a gambling addict, so he may have just grabbed a new comped room every time he wanted to fuck a whore, or to give his friends a place to sleep

>>56466521
Of you think that's hot you should check out the moving picture film Caligula. You'll love it.

>>56466672
You don't honestly think chaos is going to exist forever. Soon, the inequality will be fixed, and the engineers/civil servants/all that contribute to maintaining society will be rewarded.

Schizo theory incoming, but I think a lot of it is bots supplying certain internet demographics with money for who knows what reason.

For example, the ratio of females selling used underwear and feet pics seems to outweigh the demographic of buyers of used underwear and feet pics, yet they can all consistently make a couple hundred dollars just doing it. It’s fishy shit.

>>56467228
>everyone strives to be average

>>56466498
>famous people are rich
Always been the case, nothing to do with a bubble. The average content creators makes peanuts but the top of the basket makes bank, and it's never going to change.

>>56467522
I'm too autistic to understand this desu. Few are striving to be average, they're striving to be the next XQC - But the vast majority of them are getting no viewers and are busting their balls to do so.

Higher interest rates fuck over high debt ponzi schemes. How is me sitting at home clicking buttons affected by higher rates? I can stay solvent longer than the US government. My only debt is a 3.7% interest business loan that I'm just paying the absolute minimum on.

>>56467604
The only thing all of them will earn, is an addiction to pills, so they may overcome all of the calamities associated with sitting down, staring at a screen for hours a day.

>>56467491
for how open people are about foot fetishes, i dont know a single person irl that has one

>>56467632
The US government at anytime can seize all of the property that it owns. That you pay taxes to use. The US government will not be ruled by it's people. It is an entity, and like all entities, have a right to exist. You will not last as long as it, and that scares you. I can feel your fear through the screen.

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>>56466624
You guys are mythologizing normalfags and their particular aspirations wayyy too much. They are really just that fucking stupid and they really are just niggercattle and nothing more.

>>56467350
I'll check it out

>>56467429
>two more weeks
While agree with your morality and sense of justice, that's just not how the world works, and never has. Bad people get ahead, scummy people get ahead. This life is not necessarily where the karma (or whatever you want to call it) is levied.

The internet is here to stay, and it's changed things forever. Unless we end up eating zee bugs, that is.

>>56467683
I have no idea what any of that means, still not paying more than the minimum

>>56466498
>mizkif claims xqc spends his money with the working class instead of hoarding it
oh that's terrible! what other bullshit parasocial clique that nobody in the real world has ever heard of do i go hitch my wagon to now????

>>56468105
Sorry that you don't do math.

>>56466498
I had that fucker on my team in Overwatch years ago. He's good at playing the game, but very obnoxious when he tried to give comms. Like constant word vomit.
That being said, I'm not surprised he blew up. He's a wretch but his image and mannerisms make him appear more "unique" and less "pristine" like other big streamers.

>>56468219
They're both faggot millionaires that could retire from streaming and never work a day in their life. IIRC, there was a picture of xQc being a retard and showing that he has $500 million sitting in his bank account for some bizarre reason.

>>56468244
It has nothing to do with math. You're turning a moral issue (that entertainers get paid too much) into an empirical one. You're right that they SHOULDN'T get paid more than a civil engineer, but they do, because that's how free market capitalism works. Entertainers have always existed and the very best, extremely famous ones have always been incredibly wealthy.

>>56466521
his behavior is sleazy and autistic, someone you would never expect to amass such wealth if technology never accelerated so much as it has today. it smells like seethe and cope from me, but you have a huge list of twitch streamers who are much more repulsive than just xqc. lighten up a bit cuck.

>>56468320
You say that, because you don't know what system, for where you are, because, you don't do math.

>>56468337
He just has absolutely no class and I personally loathe people who flex on others in ostentatious ways, smacks of nouveau riche, especially if they put other people down/attack them

I know a fair few normal rich people and they don't bother me in the slightest, they are hardworking and deserve what they have and most keep it on the downlow, I'm happy for them

>>56466521
>>inb4 i'm a poorfag seething
no youre just gay for knowing anything about any streamer

>>56466521
I don't care that they make money. What sickens me about them is their wastefulness of this earth's resources. MrB drops a private jet onto the ground just to crash it for views. I can't take it anymore. I need them to lose everything to appreciate what they used to have. Even Bezos is better than these trash, because at least he's deliberate with his capital. Which is what made Amazon great. Streaming is not sustainable.

>>56466498
My theory is that there is simply to much disposable income (money printer), less belonging (church, community), less love (relationships, family) and to much time (in the old days you would easily spend hours a day cooking cleaning etc. now you have a vacuum robot).

Most of those things won't go away with interest rates or a recession so I will think ecelebs will only get bigger.

We're getting out of touch with everything that made us human. My expectations is that we literally go to pic related, living a sad real life but being content with our digital bubble.

Since where on biz you should ask how do you profit of this. To my understanding Disney had a lot of ecelebs under contract so maybe that's something to dive into.

Your money,
Your problem.
You asked for this.

Basically, if 10000 people give you $5 each month you will be making a lot of money. That's how businesses who focus on selling "cheap" products or services work. That's how streaming works. You just need to figure out how to convince people to give you their money. It's just money transfer from normies to you.

>>56467429
Sadly, this won't be fixed. Even though the engineers running and maintaining the infrastructure (water, heat, power, construction, network communications, ...) are the only valuable members of society they do not get rewarded for it. If you want to make big money you need to start doing the same thing as these streamers (monetize an audience) or start a business.

>>56468704
And when the price of a home is unaffordable to those well-fit for maintaining the infrastructure, what then. Learn math.

wgaf what anyone else makes, never got how you guys our so obsessed over it

>>56468426
get fucked lmao

>>56466661
that video was so shit lmao

>>56467429
>le enginners will INHERIT THE EARTH!1!1!1!

Shut the fuck up nerd. Engineers are even worse faggots.

>>56466498
i think its simply millions of people living vicariously through these personalities. rat race lifestyle sucks their soul, which they fill by spending a few dozen bucks here and there for subscriptions or donations and it helps them get through the day.

>>56471578
you're right

It will pop Soon. But I'm concerned everything's gonna pop and I'll die

>>56466521
Why would you watch an illiterate, inarticulate retard?

People can seethe all they want, consistently getting 30k people to tune into you screeching at video games is a rarer and more valuable skill than being an engineer or doctor

>>56471923
Meh. Not really the take to walk away from this. It's more like. The 1 guy getting 30k views is the only guy in the operation (it's not but for the sake of it). Compared to the engineers who built a bridge that 300k people are going to use. How many people were involved in building that bridge. They each get a cut.

>>56467429
>Soon, the inequality will be fixed, and the engineers/civil servants/all that contribute to maintaining society will be rewarded.
lol
lmao

>>56469193
>what then
You will live in a van and keep the sewage treatment plant running, because you have no other option.

>>56468443
Lmfao
I was trying to figure out why i hated that post and this helped me figure it out.
Normie faggots, who watch streamers, are fucking gay and poor and will always be poor

>>56466624
>Even without the "big deals", attention = money
>Harvesting attention from normies in whatever means = $$
THIS THIS THIS THIS
Being able to get a lot of attention consistently will make you rich.

>>56471923
LMAOO fucking loser

What can you guys understand about it? These companies have billions of disposable dollars, they have a handful of streamers. Of course they're going to be making insane amounts.

>>56467491
Seconding this. There is some seriously spook action going on with platform manipulation. Not impossible to think that certain powers wouldnt also inject liquid capital to promote trends.

>>56472645
I used to sell pics of my cock on onlyfans and I remember one time a transaction with soros open society as the account name popped up. Was quickly removed from the transaction history and replaced with a normal name but always stuck with me.

>>56467276
its honestly sad to see people so lonely and desperate that they literally pay niche internet microcelbrities to half ass acknowledge their existence

>>56472677
describe your cock to me

>>56466521
xqc doesn't bother me as much as mrbeast types

xqc rubs me wrong because he reminds me that i should've gone into streaming, i used to be a lively clown years ago but im just an old depressed boomer now. my friends even told me I should go into it. this is like 2011-2012

>>56466498
>be #1 in the world at something
>make big dolla bills

If these “worthless” humans are making more than you what does that make you lmao? Ongod biz is filled to the brim with poorfags

>>56466594
Pure supply and demand leads to a society eating itself with short term desire fulfillment. There's a point at which you need to beat people with a stick for being degenerate. It's for their own good. Unfortunately we've lost sight of what degeneracy actually is. Many retards here will say it's gays, welfare recipients, abortionists, or whatever other random shit. No, the degenerates make big money working at Google, Facebook, Twitch, Pfizer, and yes Coca Cola too. They're selling shit which makes society worse, and paying for piles of counter research and lobbying to maximize the profit extraction. It's a bit like hiring someone to break windows so your window repair shop can profit. That's true degeneracy. Pure supply and demand. We have to identify goals and give anyone who works against them a cane to the ass. Free capitalism is a failed experiment.

>>56466498
>Higher interest should’ve drained the life out of these industries yet they’re still going strong
High interest rates are designed to crush over leveraged institutions (banks and other degenerate) and crush the poor and especially the middle class, wealth still flows upwards by design

>>56467575
if anything, anons need to understand this will only amplify
as tech takes care of more and more of the real work, who you are and what you say becomes proportionally more important than what you do
you can climb higher while still in the boiling pot, like codemonkeys who fellate themselves because they're sysadmins or similar critical worker stuff compared to web pajeets. but ultimately, machines will take care of all production which will leave humans to what they love best: social drama
fame is the evergreen dynamic

>>56466498
You underestimate how much wealth these zoomer have accumulated. Of course they won't feel any financial pain, they make more than professional athletes.
These people would still have 8 figure networths even in great depression scenario so your dreams of everything crashing down so that a handful of streamers go broke is never going to happen.

>>56467429
>You don't honestly think chaos is going to exist forever
This is exactly what i think. Humans were born out of chaos, we revel in chaos. There is a one in trillion chance that we even exist. Yes i am quoting nas'hrah, if you get that reference you are my fucking nigga

>>56467672
where did you get the retarded impression people were open about discussing any fetish shit except troons

>>56473002
Nah how about i do what i want and i fuck off nigger
If you believe so much in moral groundstanding, go on any policed site where you are not allowed to say whatever you want, not on 4chan and see what happens

>>56468320
Being a civil engineer is much easier than being an entertainer though.
Any non-retarded person can sit down and study the curriculum for 4 years and become an engineer if they work hard enough. The amount of people who can consistently entertainment people and have a personality that other people like is much smaller.
There's no reason entertainers shouldn't make what they do other than your personal sense of resentment because you feel like they haven't "worked" hard enough for it, whatever that means. You're the one being the boomer here ironically enough.

>>56473234
Exactly, the jobs required to keep society functioning aint rocket science, and because you need so few of them to maintain function theyre not payed well, since the supply of them can be high.

>>56473188
Morality cucks can virtue signal all they want, they are free to move to a theocratic country with none of the “degeneracy” and see how long he can last.

>>56473250
Yep.
Being an engineer isn't even particularly impressive.
All the truly ground-breaking achievements have already been discovered and ironed out.
There are a handful of scientists/engineers who really figured this shit out from scratch, those are truly remarkable people, but that isn't the average engineer. The average engineer basically just consults a body of knowledge that was established by other people and then implements solutions that have already been figured out by someone else.

>>56466498
(((mizkif)))

>>56466498
Youtube funnels all its money to the biggest retards and doesnt pay smaller accounts at all. Pretty much its a pyramid scheme and theyre at the top.

>>56466498
How do i get in on this?
Is it rly just start streaming?

I know theres sttreamers who have been at it for years with 1 viewer, same for yt ers

>>56466661
meatcanyon is a shitskin. once you realize that all he really is capable of is attacking day wyte ppl

>>56468443
insanely based post, fuck anyone who e-celeb worships.

>>56466521
who the fuck cares dude, focus on your own life

>>56466498
You're retarded of you think every fat girl on only fans and every s o I b o I on twitch is making hands over fist lmao

>>56466558
I did video editing for a 4k consistent viewer andy.
Major chunk comes from game promotions. When new world was released he was paid $20k to stream it for 5 hrs.

>>56467429
Kek engineers are the ones subbing to these OF Thots.

>>56466521
>rich people are fine, there's a certain line that xQc somehow manages to cross into being obnoxious though
It's the delayed fall from humility. Dude went from owning 4 shirts (he got for free) while already being worth millions, to all Gucci clothing and trashy watches.

>>56473250
>>56473283
If engineering isn't that hard, and it's solved, why do I keep seeing big marketing steering women into the field?

>>56468320
no entertainers have historically been quite underpaid, dont confuse rich people looking for a hobby with people that entertain as a job
the problem was this art was not storable and the total audience per viewing was limited to viewing range and audible capacity of the unaided human voice
yeah sure books existed for ages but they were expensive as shit

that all changed in the post ww2 era when technological progress made both possible amplication of human output and storage of performances, the celebrity really kicked off once the plebes could afford lps at home and only spiralled upward from there
like others have said its all about marketing and selling garbage to the niggercattle, anyone no matter how retarded the 'art' they 'perform' as long as they have an audience they are very valuable to the marketeers

>>56466498
this is a low iq understanding of the situation, in reality rising interest rates will only make the influencer boom grow larger, at least for sure in the compensation to the top of the crop
you see with low interests companies could finance themselves on near 0 rate loans and as such profitability was not important but growth was and potential growth in the form of r&d
when rates rise all of a sudden all companies must scramble for cash flow this sales right the fuck now
to generate sales you need advertising and guess what these influencers have a far better conversion rate and cost basis than fucking paper adds, billboards, tv commercials and of all fucking things superb owl runtime paid for in the blood of your children per second
its a marketeers wet dream, all the previous methods of advertisement were displayed equally to the entire population, now you can hyperfocus on a targetted demographic that is your buyers
so yeah these twitch streamers are giant progress in the marketing domain
and you are the biggest fool if your delicate sensibilities stop you from seeing the truth

so tl;dr expect the top guys to get even bigger deals

peak comfy strreaming year, pic related

>>56469193
your autism gets the better of you
look to any third world country they still run infrastructure especially in the wealthy neighborhoods
if the engineers cared about compensation they wouldnt be wagies in the first place, the will live in the pod and eat the bugs and work the sewage plant since the alternative is living on the streets
just look even being drafted to die in a ditch in the donbass isnt enough to make the vatnik wagies stop going to the cage waiting for the day to be nabbed and send to suffer and die

>>56473000
>be #1 in the world at something
lol not even close to being #1 on twitch and of course there's youtube and chinese streaming sites too, xqc literally made his money by advertising gambling websites

>>56476476
I've never liked or subscribed to anyone, whether they told me to or not, in their video, and I sure as hell, don't buy shit someone tries to sell me. I don't need your trinkets, gypsy. I need tools to conquer my surroundings.

>>56476528
Just because marxism divides people, makes them scared to unite together, so that they may demand that they're treated with dignity, doesn't mean, capitalism unchecked, is the answer. You just care about number go up, and that's not necessarily bad, you just got to focus on the right number, and that for which it stands.

>>56476547
neither have i but we are autists on 4chan, by all metrics outliers probably not worth enough to dedicate enough time and resources to effectively persuade with advertisement

however the vast population is niggercattle on whom they have perfected the techniques to steal their meager wealth with worthless shit
companies seek to maximize profit so they use the biggest and easiest to fool target demographic
this concept must be understandable even if it doesnt apply to you
if you still dont understand please tell me how you would feel now if you didnt eat breakfast this morning

>>56476596
dont get stuck in isms thats another red herring to divide and control the niggercattle
across political systems, cultures and history its always the same the overwhelming amount of people are niggercattle and dont have independent agency, hence they get exploited
the how changes but the outcome doesnt
and do note i make no value judgement on the current situation just observing its workings
and god forbid i am not even trying to come up with a so called better system
i can assure you trying to 'save' the niggercattle will lead you to ruin, best to just join the profit taking from them
but by all means go and join the legions of poor lower class people that are perpetually aggrieved with a vague education that think they can lead society to a promised golden land
because lol that always worked out so well in the past

>>56476664
Oh, you're not making a value judgement, when you say, if engineers wanted to afford housing, they wouldn't have gotten into the backbone of the economy profession.

>>56467429
>engineers and civil servants
lol
lmao even

>>56476826
that is not a value judgment on society, that is a judgement on the engineers ability to both value themselves monetarily and to work to better there conditions

i get it you are of the perpetually aggrieved class, i get it all of society told you to go study stem and then when you did that and went out in the real world you found out you had been lied too
protip when the whole world especially certifiable retards like high school guidance counselors tell you to do something its neither in your best interest nor true, better even to do the exact opposite
or what did you really expect a system dependent on exploited labor to educate you in any capacity to escape exploitation

learn and improve or seethe uncontrollably away taking everything personally, your choice really

>>56466558
xqc shills gambling

>>56476903
Wrong. I studied History, and did fieldwork in dangerous places all over the world, including Afghanistan

>>56476993
then why do you keep acting angry over stuff you dont even understand
per your own worldview your chosen field of study and acting profession is part of the soon to crash bubble
archeology is major resource waster for wealthy and decadent societies

inb4 muh lessons from the past, if anything the past 30 years thought us is that we simply do not heed them

>>56476545
He was number one on twitch and kick paid him 100mil to move platforms, youre dumb as bricks boy
>>56476419
Esg, and social justice equality climate. These are only promoted snd possible because the hardshit has been done by a select few ultra smart and competent people

>>56476903
nah the guidance counselors are right, studying stem then working at some job is a low risk path which is good for people who are risk averse, sure you don't have to go to high school and hustle your own way up but that's risky, you can easily become a homeless bum by the end of it, or have your skull cracked by some mafia, or in a less dramatic case be a streamer who streams to 2 viewers forever, doing what the school tells you is riding on the rails, it's easy, low risk, low reward, you can stray off from the rails, but there's no guarantee that you won't be eaten by wolves in 10 minutes, you can go around asking bums on the streets or read suicide notes and you'll see that the vast majority of them aren't engineers who got a master's degree, a wife, 3 kids and live in the suburbs, it's all hustlers whose hustle didn't work out

>>56477099
But I do know, because I know math, the language of the universe. And I see what's coming.

>>56477101
number 1 at what lol, he's not even close to being in the top 50 in just twitch
https://twitchtracker.com/channels/hours-watched
and kick is a gambling site, no shit they hired their best gambling streamer, you're a fucking retard, even in this thread his big flex is that he's working for gambling companies in vegas

>>56477140
doubt it on both counts there
but please do tell in detail dont leave us hanging in anticipation
anon WHAT is coming that you see

>>56476545
Twitch ad + sub payouts from 2019-2021 were leaked a couple years back and he was #2 most paid, #1 was a DND channel that had like 8 different members to it. You also have to remember now that he's on kick he streams less on twitch. His content is trash now through and he's unironically fallen off as he used to have 50k minimum viewers and now he's basically always around 33k

>>56477149
Xqc paid more tax this year than u will made ur entire life. Simmer down and show some respect

>>56477188
to some gambling peddler? lol no eat my shit, no one will remember that loser in 5 days after his death

>>56466521
>drove away all of his old esports friends because he has an unhinged personality that isn't necessarily the most offensive one in the world, but showed how fragile friendships can be at the top
>has an ex that stalks him incessantly waiting to swoop in and stake a claim on his money through a legal loophole where her staying with him over a period of time and through certain documents had their local government consider them legally married
>ex streams all the time for the sole purpose of gaslighting him and his fans while keeping her legal narrative maintained
>only thing he has now are golden handcuffs to a really awesome deal he got from a new platform that alienated his remaining friends through their own jealousy
i don't normally follow drama, but xqc really is a tragic guy
wish him nothing but the best
success went to his head only insofar that success is literally the only thing he has left

>>56477188
>paid more tax this year than u will made ur entire life
this is biz i would not be making that statement with such certainty here

>>56477168
Are you slow? Serious question, not trying to be mean. Were you having this little argument, just to fill the void? Like, you didn't even know for what was the reason you were saying what you were saying? Go outside. Get a dog. Do something, other than staring at screen all day.

>>56477194
>Complaining about gambling peddlers
>On/biz/

>>56477187
so what is #1 at then? having the most revenue a few years back on twitch (if you don't count the #1 channel because reasons), a pretty specific condition since it's not like we're counting youtube, or bilibili or huya or douyin, which are all the same industries and most likely have people who make more than him, and now even you said that he easily lost at least half of that by now
guess a few years ago I was the best at jerking off in my room at 11 pm lol, if we're allowed to set so many conditions then what's the point

>>56477237
/biz/ is scammers trying to scam scammers, gambling is just preying on addicts to extract money from them

>>56477226
way to avoid the question, the situation i am in is completely meaningless to the validity of your world view
maybe i cant get outside or get a dog and starring at a screen is about all there is left, didnt thought about the mathematical probability of that did you now

but again none of that matters: lay out your world view mr hawking and lets see how it holds up to minor criticism

>>56477271
I'm not avoiding the question, for I said what would happen at the beginning. Don't forget to smell the roses.

>>56466498
People think women who used to sell naked pictures of themselves online to rich arabs later rebranding themselves as romantic-traditionalist rustic influencers is a sign of hypocrisy, but actually it simply confirms the "normies do not possess free will" hypothesis.
Normie women are ready to whore themselves out because they saw a lifestyle tiktok, but a "The Purposeful Art of Traditional Architecture" Indian account meme can turn them to a staunch conservative. There is never a question about "depth" of belief as there is capacity for none.
The same people willingly humiliating themselves today would be pious believers 200 years ago, dutifully going to their church services, etc. It's just a matter of instruction they receive from society. It all comes down to a few autists going band for band in the realm of ideas.

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>>56472645
Dead internet theory rings more true than most are willing to admit. Especially on /biz/

>>56477271
here's my predictions based on past history, minor criticisms welcome

>>56473002
Underrated post
Thanks anon

>>56477255
Having the most money is hardly a "specific condition" in a pissing contest LMAO.
>since it's not like we're counting youtube, or bilibili or huya or douyin, which are all the same industries and most likely have people who make more than him
Can you point to a solo person who's made >100 mil for streaming? Do you have any reason to believe someone from any of those platforms is worth more, other than "there's a lot of people so one's probably more successful"? The guy sucks now as an entertainer, so I'm gonna shit on him where he deserves it [trash "content" awful style, materialistic and petty personality, compulsive lying rat, clout chaser] but I'd say no one streamer has matched his success YET

>>56477283
>for I said what would happen at the beginning
yes in a combined 2 sentence summary with no details as to how what would happen to lead to your prescribed outcome
cant criticize what isnt even there
serious question are you heavy esl'd or heavy in the tism department
i specifically asked for you to give us your worldview in detail so we can see your thought process and give valid retort on that
please explain what you said earlier in greater detail explain your workflow/thought process
is this understandable to you?

>>56477346
If I tell you, you won't have learned nothing.

>>56477300
no critisism there but the anon i replied to seems to have seem weird believe that as we are about to go into the changing yin phase that someone results in wagie engineers rising to the top of society
i am curious as to his thought process here as this is of course completely ridiculous
but if he cant give me any more reasoning as to the why i cant reply anything back as nope not gonna happen
wagie engs were never at any top, but they have their top relative to themselves in the changing yang period which we passed a good while ago and are almost in the complete antithesis of right now

You can’t turn a whore into a housewife, but you build a ranch to house whores.

>>56477361
a the last refugee of the intellectual underperformer
i cant tell you this its trivial you have to work it out yourself
again i very specifically call on you to back up your assertion with reasoning or in failing to do so abandon the thread

>>56477337
>Having the most money
if you don't count the top because reasons and in a specific year and on a specific platform, quite a few conditions there to make the statement worthless
PDD makes more than him by streaming and he also got paid indisclosed amounts of money with huya and douyin fighting over him, the 100 mil was also paid by a gambling website to him to promote gambling, if that counts then we can widen the net quite a bit about what can count into it, because then we can count every tiktok streamer into the equation, they don't really get paid by tiktok but they get loads of sponsorships too
you're just a dumbass with a very small perspective about the world, even just the world of streamers and especially about the world of entertainers

>>56477387
I'd say that wagie engineers have their best time during the changing yang cycle, it's when masculine roles are still in effect so there's no women or migrants in the workforce but the status quo has settled in so there's no more wars, meaning that civil engineers are at the top of the social ladders, in the next changing yin cycle they definitely won't be at the top, it's the time of the warlords and the violent mobs, if we want to break it down by cycle then
yang cycle: kings and knights
changing yang cycle: civil engineers
yin cycle: entertainers
changing yin cycle: warlords

its already popping. /biz/ has no fucking patience. 2008 took between 4 and 6 YEARS to bottom. this runup was quicker so the decline will be steeper but it will still take 12-36 months

>>56477398
Mr. 11 post by Id is going to abandon the thread, and go waste other people's time, somewhere else.

>>56477404
Being a "content creator" and being a "streamer" aren't the same thing so your retarded ass can throw out the tiktok sponsor argument.
>PDD makes more
Source?? Please feel free to make an argument based in numbers where another individual makes more money than him for streaming

>>56477498
so its the esl thats strong
that sentence implied you have to post reasoning or if YOU continue to do so you get filtered as you are wasting time
you do know how this place works right and i can make all your posts disappear with 2 clicks

>>56477452
>yinyang
That model only works, when you sit on the fence and on your hands and do nothing. Which isn't very good science, or objective, or what's best for all organisms, on this system, or any. Controls can be created, after making your observations.

>>56477404
>in a specific year and on a specific platform, quite a few conditions there to make the statement worthless
Also funny that you should get so picky all of a sudden when that #62 for hours viewed is just for October this year, faggy hypocrite

>>56477554
I'm rubber, and you're glue.

>>56477452
i agree with this with one exception changing yang is more entrepreneurs, merchants and private capital
wagie engineers while doing the best the will ever do in any period are still just wagies and as such get the scraps of the table, those scraps could afford you a house and a stay at home wife + kids back then
but this is best kept slave tier, definitely not top of society tier
i am still waiting on the other anon to deliver how he thinks wagie engs will be on top in the warlord period, his thought process should be hilarious and betray his own station in life

>>56477529
then you can throw out your retarded ass >100 mil argument because that's a sponsorship, that just shows that he made 8 mil in 2 years, so like 4 mil in a year, that isn't even much, lots of people make more money on various platforms, and that was 2 years ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-11/the-billion-dollar-race-to-become-china-s-amazon-twitch#xj4y7vzkg
>Streamers like Liu Mou earn more than $7 million a year
twitch is small fish when it comes even to streaming, it's a small passionate niche audience, top dog youtube streamers and other websites make way more money, and of course if you add sponsorships, deals, vods etc to the mix too then it's not even a contest

>>56477596
And I'm still waiting for you to leave. What's a matter, does that go against shill's prime directive: stay bumping.

>>56477567
if you make the claim that he's #1 then it's easy for me to show that he's not even top 50 this month, you dumb retard, you're the one who has to prove something impressive, I can easily disprove it in a myriad of ways

>>56477596
yeah, reasonable, I was thinking about companies developing infrastructure and such but those technically go into the pockets of enterpreneurs and not the engineer wagies that they hire for the jobs, still as a civil engineer the changing yang is your best cycle

>>56467429
You'll be waiting a long time kiddo

>>56477642
>Streamers like Liu Mou earn more than $7 million a year
>like liu mou
>Like
>Twitch’s former biggest star, Fortnite gamer Tyler “Ninja” Blevins, has said he earns almost $7 million a year through paid subscribers on the platform alone. Liu might well rival that. Platforms like Douyu pay top gamers like Liu at least $4 million a year to retain them exclusively, he said.
Ok so you have no actual numbers for this guy apart from maybe 4 mil for exclusivity which is the same thing as a sponsor ship to stream somewhere else

>>56477660
not even the guy you're talking to but you're actually retarded holy fuck

>>56477660
>Michael Jordan isn't the best basketball player alive because last game a different nigger player scored more
How'd you gain any ego whatsoever? Stop thinking you can look down on anyone, you're street shitter levels of retarded

>>56477844
oh so then ninja is the #1 not xqc because he earns twice as much
>>56477884
>>56477899
if you make a bold claim then you're the one who have to defend it, is this too much to comprehend to your twitch zoomer brain? if he's not the #1 now then he's not #1, what exactly is your claim then? that he might've been number 1 at a specific time frame some years ago? now that's not very impressive is it but even that is easily debatable

>>56477899
also your michael jordan argument is shit, michael jordan is 60 years old and he hasn't played basketball in 20 years, if you ask who's the best basketball player right now then it's definitely not michael jordan, you can say that michael jordan had the best track record as a basketball player but if we're going by those definitions then anyone who made more than 4 mil a year with streaming is above xqc, which has already been broken by ninja

>>56468477
>there is simply too much...time
For who? Who has too much time?

>>56466521
illuminaty puppets. they all gotta do some weird gay shit to be in.

source: black conspiracy youtuber.

>>56466521
Why do you care so much about someone whos completly irrelevant to your life + doesnt even know you exist??

Whats the reasoning behind this

>>56466672
xqc's streaming deal was larger than any sports contract. The question op is asking is if this is a result of a bubble or not.

>>56466558
Seriously, that audience is tiny. Their tv ratings would be garbage.

>>56479207
They are poor losers such that jealousy of better men is their defining trait, this concept is known as evil eye and is explored in detail in the quran

>>56472429
This is pretty much my life. I maintain water and wastewater networks remotely from a trailer in my parent's back yard. I don't have a toilet and piss out the side door. I do have a microwave though.

>>56479207
not that guy and I don't care about streamers but they portray the horrible state of online society fueled by narcissistic egomaniacs acting as substitutes for family/friends kids and grown-ups never had and peddling them addictive poison and propaganda to subdue their cattle minds while packaging it all as entertainment. it is all a gigantic snowball of degeneracy and younger generations are fucked. dog eat dog world

>>56479957
Every generation says this about the next, the truth is your just old and dont understand this new form of entertainment. If it wasnt obvious already the number of people required to maintain society is miniscule compared to the total population, so the job of the 99% is to keep themselves entertained and stay out of the way for the 1%

>>56468704
>engineers
> running and maintaining the infrastructure

>>56480009
Every time i see some faggot raging about rich streamers it reminds me of the people in 2014 that couldnt understand pewdiepie and markiplier making millions from screaming at FNAF. They're already 10+ years behind.

>>56480999
Nice trips.

I don’t understand any of this and I’m 25. Am I a boomer?

>>56467429
Nigga, you are 5 years away from getting replaced by a robot.

>>56466498
They’re used as money funnels

>>56466498
I dont speak zoomer

>>56466558
Kick is desperately trying to kill twitch by signing away all their top streamers and giving those guys multi-million dollar deals but it's not really working.

>>56481189
Well said anon, AI needs alot of development desu but I am more worried about the threats posed by the quantum computers.

>>56466498
>are still making money hand over fist.

You have any numbers that validate your statement? This is a business board after all.

Streaming is a dead-end anyway. It's been sanitized to the point that all the original charm and anticipation of "what will happen today" is gone.
I checked twitch the other day and not one single person I follow out of about 60 was streaming. I wasn't sure if there was some boycott or something going on, I've never seen that before, not ever.
I myself have found I spend way more time watching youtube. There's nothing more obnoxious than having to watch 6 fucking ads in a row that force you to miss a conversation or a key interaction while its in progress. Live advertising doesn't work on that medium.

>>56482614
I at times watch Alpine Esports that has partnerships with binance and QANplatform, live stream on twitch the viewership isn't actually that bad if you ask me.

>>56466498
Do you think you can kill him?

Like find out where he is streaming or fan meeting or whatever one day, just go over there and shoot him? Or stab him, youd need to buy a gun for the shooting which is risky.

Its unreal to me that theres thousands of people who follow this guy around and LITERALLY just give him money.

Do you think you could kill him? And get away with it possibly?

>>56483150
Kill him NOW

In minecraft

>>56477529
Is there a way to break down how they’re making so much money? I saw a metric saying content creators/streamers earn $0.002 per viewer. Extrapolating that means if he earned $9mill that translates to 4,500,000,000 views or 4 million views per show if they streamed every day for the last 3 years. Something seems off. Whenever i watch a streamer i see a couple thousand viewers at any one time, not 4 million. Where are the rest of their twitch earnings coming from?

>>56473702
Kek is he? Looks like a fat sweaty white turk to me

fight club predicted this. We need project mayhem 2.

>blow up zee twitch servers

>>56466498
The jews are right about the goyim.
Imagine spending your precious time on earth watching a stream of some faggot REACTING to clickbait videos and sending them your poorfag $5 tips while he flexs on you.