/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56466492
if we get green dildos that broach 440k this cycle I'll honest to God suck a dick.

Can you at least pretend to normalize these charts?

>>56466534
the whole point is to show the big pump after the halving every 4 year

>>56466492
Yeah. Open a long position for 4 years, don't get liquidated at all for 4 years. Time the perfect bottom in the 4 year cycle and profit in 4 years by timing the top perfectly when BTC does a 4x after 4 years

>>56466492
It was already obvious as fuck after 2017.
Crypto is basically free money if your attention span isn't horrible.

>>56466547
My point is, if you're in crypto and you trade BTC, or BTC is your next cycle pick. You're either: 1) a retard or 2) a millionaire

>>56466542
And you can't do that with normalized plots?
Fucking retard.

>>56466547
>hurr durr timing the bottom
Why do all retards have this same talking point? You don't need to time the bottom, you just need to buy before the pump. If I get rich but I could've been a little richer if I bought more a month prior I'm not going to be that upset about it

>>56466542
For me is 250k @ 5T market cap
If 440k buy One Ferrari testarossa

>>56466576
>left as an exercise for the reader

>>56466587
Again, no one below 500k net wealth buys btc, because that's fucking retarded if btc goes to 100k that's a 5x, if you're happy with that you are a retard. Find an alt. Issue is, your alt can go down 99% in those 4 years ofc you don't have to perfect time the bottom that's also retarded but anyone that bought anything in 2022 is fucking rekt and for 2023 btc is 2x and eth +30% basically everything else is down

>>56466492
um sweeeeetie this time is different

>>56466530
What’s your email, I got a black one ready for you. Lmk

>>56466627
dumb fucking play. Imagine telling people to gamble on shitcoins in a bear. Now's the time to be slurping THEN divert to alts when the season is back.

>>56466530
What purpose would there be to sucking cock when you get rich? If you happen to be a jew, then disregard. No explanation needed

>>56466587
>>56466627
>inb4 just buy btc before 2023 pump then sell and buy your alt lol dude
You see how retarded that sound? you would have to have known that btc would have pumped in 2023 from a "bottom" then you would sell (when?) to buy your cheap alt, you are timing the market still.

>>56466673
I knew you would fucking say that see?

>>56466653
SilkAsianTwink4BTC@proton.me

>>56466678
I'm trans btw

>>56466673
>hurrrrrrrr boi bef4 ze pumpppppp bruuuuuu

>>56466673
There's people on here who are retarded enough to believe that 5xing your money is bad. Most people will never do that.

>>56466767
Yes in crypto it is. You don't belong if you that's what your crypto journey yielded you, go back to forex you're too retarded to understand why $PEPE 100x while you're patiently wait for the 4 cycle BTC 5x extrazavanga. Go back.

>>56466698
Are u in Jersey

>>56466530
>suck a dick
A feminine or a masculine one?

Well niggers since most of you seem to be mentally retarded I will remind you, the hard wall to break is for bitcoin to have mcap higher than gold, because they are analogous but with different vritues and vices, that is a really REALLY hard shit to pull because using crypto is more expensive than mining gold, you can put some niggers in congo to mine gold and cobalt for literal pennies but you can do that with crypto because using it demands electricity and that costs money, anyways so atm the highest price btc could hold is around 150k each and that is not happening any time soon, if ever.

>>56466492
we are so early

>>56466547
>leverage is essential
Post nose

It's going to be yuge

>>56466693
No, you could have just bought in at any time in 2023. You clearly don't understand what I wrote, if you read it again and still don't get it then do us all a favor and rope

>>56466928
I honestly wouldn't want to suck a feminine one. Total throat destruction or nothing. Go to town on it the way roasties would never. Real commitment
>Str8 btw

Who's left to buy?

>>56467020
How high we going?

>>56467386
6 gorillions

>>56466542
Using log scale is more useful because it gives you a better idea of the % gained

>>56466534
>t. triggered nocoiner

>>56466562
this

>>56466492
Interesting alignment at the bottom you fucking spastic

>>56466492
>>56466562
this assumes crypto is decoupled from stocks. each btc ath has been within 60 days of a dow ath.

>>56466530
To completion?

>>56466530
What an odd thing to say.

>>56466534
Thank you. Good to see that not everyone on /biz/ is braindead.

>>56466627
"Only" a 5x lmao. 5x is amazing for an investment. Alt-faggots mainly get dumped on and lose their entire ports.
>You just have to know which alt is good!
FALSE. All crypto is completely useless or a downright scam. It's simply a speculative asset. Alts are for greedy little chud-brained incels.

>>56466627
So you're telling me someone with 400k saved should gamble on shitcoins rather than a fairly safe 5x? Fuck off back to whatever indian telegram group you came from.

...

I don't care about the next halving. I'm interested in the 5th cycle.

>>56466492
>2026 700k
>2030 1500k
>2035 2500k

>>56467705
>t. Poorfag
If 2.5m is a "make it" stack then I'm sorry to say but look in the mirror, you are the definition of a shitskin 3rd worlder. 2.5m is NOT generational wealth in a well developed country. Crypto is obviously a once in a lifetime opportunity, if you can't use this opportunity to properly establish a long lasting wealth transcending even your death then you literally failed the future lives of your descendants. You WILL be remembered as "the ancestor that only got 5x in the crypto era because he was too retarded"

>>56466978
Umm I think that would put it around 624k no?

>>56468060
Dont just mutiply their mcaps against one another, bitcoin will always lag behind real gold, every normie and their boomer fsther knows gold they dont care about magic internet money, so it will be somewhat smaller, thast why the figure I gave above

>>56467900
I wouldn't be waiting till then Fag. I'm all in on BTC, ETH, REEF and RIDE. The next circle will be massive so you've got to come in early.

>>56467988
imagine living just to leave money for other people when you're dead lmao.

>>56467988
Ngmi + KYS, if youre not >500k deep into crypto by now you will not make up for it by buying pajeetNiggerCumFartCoin but go 99.9% down by it and rope by next year wishing you listened to the actual smartfags on /biz/
See you in the „biz has no alpha“ thread next year after you went bust and i‘m at 50Million NW. Can‘t wait to laugh at you.

>>56468862
>other people
Imagine wanting to be rich and then... then what? party around the world until 65? Is that the plan?

>>56466492
How high are we going at the peak of this cycle?

>>56469015
i just don't wanna work so I can do my hobbies full time and spend my evenings on my deck, lakeside, with my dog at my side

>>56469013
But you're talking as if anyone in this thread is >500k deep in crypto. Maybe you are, and good for you. But that's mostly luck, i had just started college in 2013 and already deep in debt. You being 35 in 2013 and buying 10k BTC is not an accomplishment, oh sorry you didnt do that? You must have bought some ETH then in 2015 then when you were 37 and i was still in college debt, oh sorry you didnt do that either?

>>56468862
>your children and grandchildren
>other people
You probably have low t

>>56469082
fuck em, statistically they'd just waste it all anyways

I‘m Head of Digital Assets at [redacted] and you guys cannot fathom what is happening behind the scenes right now. All banks are talking about distributed ledger technology and putting their entire settlement processes etc on DLT. You cannot even imagine what will happen to the sector in the coming decade. You were warned.
You were too uninformed to realize.
You do not know the big picture.
The reason for the recent bitcoin pump is not only etf fake news but people (and institutions) (partly) fleeing from tradfi because of systemic instability in the dollar
We will not crash when the market „finds out btc etf approval were fakenews“
The entire stock, bond and derivatives infrastructure will run on DLT in 10 years
You guys are excellently positioned, yet fail to make use of that because you‘re distracted by making 10000x in a 30 second trade

>>56469104
What mean this? What coins should i be have in piggy bank

Father of one of my acquaintances works at CIA. Today he returned from work and said to make a stockpile of food for 2 months and move away from big cities. Seems like it's happening...

>>56466627
>500% are bad
Crypto Twitter and /biz) have rotted your brain. Post your eth address so I can laugh at all the dog coin bags you're holding.

>>56469075
>that‘s mostly luck
Thats where you‘re wrong, nigger. Your problem is that you listen to the wrong people, it is not often that oldfags post on biz and you can‘t see the forest for the trees or filter through the threads. I don‘t put in the effort to post here often and im sure many of the people who are lurking with insider news don‘t either - i know they are on here though. The fastest way to lose your money is by trying to get rich quick. Bitcoin & other top 10 projects have much more upside than you seem to realize.

>>56469075
Didn‘t fully read through your rant because you‘re irrelevant. I am in my twenties and bought into crypto 9 years ago, have a strong career in tech/finance and made it in crypto. My point stands that you‘re on the path to success but fail to realise the actual upside of big projects and will go bust trying to make up for your lost time by investing into small cap trash.

>>56469015
Sounds way better than spending your only life accumulating money for others who will party around the world until 65 and then just forget you existed after the first generation. Retard.

>>56469192
I will gladly and in all conscience ignore this piece of advice, *insert age insult*, by the way, wasn't IOTA top 10 in 2017? Where is that shit now? Oh Solana?? is that a new token? Wait where was this one in 2017?

Suck my dick oldfag

>>56469138
Link is a good call although i admit i underweighted it for way too long because the shilling on here was sketchy. Bitcoin and Ethereum should be at least 50% of your portfolio & ~10% in ICP for the tech and use-case diversification. You can invest the remaining 30-40% into 3-5 sub 1Bil mcap projects with promising background (but please, do at least one week of due diligence before pulling the trigger)

>>56469138
Forgot to mention 10% in polygon because its easy to use and cheap as shit and catches all the usecases that don‘t require bulletproof decentralization, e.g. institutional nft projects that are okay with a chain that has a centralized bridge and obvious attack vector like that

>>56469252
And how are those two things incompatible with one another again? You heard what he said right?
>I want to sit at home at my desk, do hobiiies, talk to dog cat leprechaun and not work
You guys are some most likely some absolute pathetic losers incels i betcha, becoming rich is the last of your problems, trust me

>>56469253
Solana is reddit tiktok tier trash and i have never in my life held even a millionth of a cent of that coin

>>56469274
>>56469289
I see your point, like i'm a retard and agree to some extent, but there's a balance to this shit obviously and our risk metrics are different but eventually like everyone else you end up rotating to BTC/ETH obviously when you have a decent stack

>>56469299
Yes it's trash agreed, point is, its 400k%+ and that shit came out in 2020, replace by Matic for all i care, point still stands

>>56466492
Wow Bitcoin was worth $0 at one stage? Why didn't someone just buy up all the supply?

>>56469253
Also, did i ever say that you will make it by just buying the top 10 and holding it? No nigger, and that‘s exactly what i meant in my posts when i said you were too retarded to skim through the shit.

>>56469351
I buyed at 0$ and solded at 0.0001$ :(

>>56469324
You‘re close. If you trade smallcaps to make more bluechip crypto youre taking more risk and thus can earn higher returns. The Problem with that is that you‘re under the assumption that you will pick just the right projects to outperform large caps (by a lot) - which is plain unrealistic or dependent on luck OR intensive due dilligence. In the case of the latter - assuming your portfolio is under ~50k - that time would be used more efficiently working a job that lets you invest more in the first place. In the case of depending on luck, you could just as well go to the casino and hope that you win and thus can invest more into large caps.

>>56466492
>2012 = fed rate 0.08%
>2016 = fed rate 0.34%
>2020 = fed rate 0.05%

fed rate is over 5%, money printers have been turned off

>>56469975
they're about to get turned back on, they have an excuse now

>>56466530
Why though?

>>56466627
based

>>56468503
Reef hahhahahahahahahahahaha I also fell for that trap 1y ago. What a total crap coin. Youbare being scammed. Get out of it!!!!

>>56466627
You absolute moron.
"Find an alt"
Sure boss, let know which of 20k alts to find. Or should I grab a proven winner from the previous cycle that will never set a new high in BTC terms?

Here is how you play your guaranteed 5x
Instead of dumping everything you have in degen bullshit you split it up into 24 payments servicing a personal loan.

It's like going long except you can't get liquidated. You make more more than 5x and don't get rugged into illiquid vapor coins.

Dumbfuck.

>>56467988
entitled shit
fucking first world trust fund kid
even 10k is a lot of money
you wouldnt understand because you were born with a silver spoon up your ass

>>56466492
so how much time we got left? 1 year?

>>56467288
You

>>56473684
3 months.

>>56472996
Ser Penis Detrov will come through for us this time

>>56468503
I'm all about holding those low market cap gems with potential for massive growth like DUA, NXRA, and RIO. They might just be enough to feed your whole generation in the next bull run.

>>56468503
If I get my hands on these assets, you can bet I'll be self custodying them in the Brillion smart wallet when it launches. The privacy, asset recovery capabilities, and security features are top notch.

>>56473775
makes no sense. halving probably be a slight pump, then dump back to 20k levels to scare away weak hands and then the bullrun starts.

or we frontrun everything, because everyone expects the next bull and most people not yet ready

>>56466591
Make mine a 599 GTB

>>56466530
lets be honest here, youll suck dick regardless. wont you?

>>56467539
everyone and their granny pays attention to crypto now, especially the financial elite.
I doubt its gonna be that predictable. 2020 december came like surprise.

if the economy is down and stocks are shitting the bed I dont see crypto going anywhere.

>>56473929
Economy is already down and interest rates raised basically as high as they're gonna go (without another major happening), and stocks didn't really shit the bed. And a major recession is cancelled anyway (without a major happening) due to AI giving industries a huge productivity leap in these years. So basically by being outside the markets, you're just betting for a major happening that drags us down by being outside of the markets, while I give it a chance of 20% and I'm already in crypto for the next cycle. Good luck

>>56466492
yeah, how often can you get suckered by an unstable currency before you realize it's a scam.

>>56474859
New people get minted every second, do you think supply of idiots will ever run out? If you are so smart, you can profit off them instead of being an npc.

>>56474894
so you're rich then?

>>56466591
For me it's when Bitcoin replace gold, which is a $12T market cap.

>>56474916
I don't have to work, so yes.

>>56474937
neetbux don't count, retard.

>>56474927
It will never happen with current electricity prices, maybe in 20 years will get very close but im dooming

>>56473872
or there is no dumps and it just keeps pumping so all the smug le short term bears get fucked and left behind

>>56466492
>A flipped coin landed on heads 3 times in a row therefore it's 100% guaranteed to land on heads on the 4th flip
pure retardation

>>56475073
doesnt makes sense. there is always a scare dumb. look at 2020, we reached like 5k levels.

>>56474927
>when Bitcoin replace gold

>>56475193
and because every smart ass expects it now it's why it won't happen while stupid normies fomoing in at 40k will make money

>>56467581
muhfug i can get 10x on a scratchoff thats twice what ur 'investment' gives

>>56475153
Fun fact, on average a coin flip is 51.4% as likely to land on the side that was facing up when it was flipped, due to wobble precession
The more side to side wobble, the more likely to land on that side.
Imagine how the first people to figure that out could have profited on large scales.

>>56467988
i didn't even remember my ancestor who 1000000x from the tulip mania

>>56474373
good luck to you fren. I only have 10k left in crypto. Covid rekt me financially and starts to seem like im already priced out. All I can do is sellign my flat, gonna get like 60k for it and put 40k into crypto but in my country the housing market is on the brink of another explosion.
If I fail with crypto I will be forever priced out of housing too and Im honestly cluesless what should I do right now.

I also need a car asap to be able to wagecuck so I gotta spend my 10k crypto but if its explodes after that I will honestly rope myself.

I think I should sell this flat asap and build a decent portfolio but Im extremely afraid to do so.

>>56475209
but every smart ass expects crypto to shoot up as well.

>>56475016
I live off crypto dummy, there's no welfare for autists in my country.

This time its different.

>>56469138
RAIL and CTSI. Good long term hodl.

>>56466492
The more people expect something to happen, the less likely it is to happen.
This is basic speculation.

>>56476142
can you give examples of how this is true?

>>56466530
address?

>>56469351
Same reason you're snoozing on other gems in the space, they didn't see it coming. Now I'm all about early adoption anon and I'm doing that on Qwt, Ride, and Ithuem for future gains.

>>56466562
Yeah you get it, and that's why I'm preparing for this bull market with my RIO,ATOR, and NXRA bag

>>56466565
I'm early in SUPRA, BTC mcap is too discouraging to join in now.

>>56476676
Nice list of alts you've got

>>56466492
youre using heiken ashi to prove your point but as someone who actually trades for a living im telling you it doesnt look the same

>>56467988
When did a make it stack become generational wealth? Make it was quitting wage slaving.