/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56381078
First for Hermann Göring

Threadly reminder that you either own at least one (1) Israeli stock or you're an antisemite.

#SMGStandsWithIsrael

>>56381096
I just happen to believe in American corporate supremacy

stocks for this feeling?

8.50 tomorrow FNKOchads

>>56381095
based
>>56381096
cringe

>>56381114
How is your portfolio actually performing? Overall.

>>56381096
The only semites I've ever met were actually muslims. I'm starting to think this whole anti-semite thing is just another word game scheme or lie, isn't it?

Also, line might go down tomorrow, or it might not. Do with that secret knowledge what you wish

>>56381112
NVDA on earnings

>>56381125
Personally I think anyone that isn't King Baldwin pilled about the whole thing is pretty cringe.

>>56381137
>King Baldwin pilled
Qrd?

is tiktok tradeable? whats their ticker, im shorting this fucker

>>56381147
>is the ccp propoganda app traded
yeah no

>>56381147
Isn't it Chinese owned, probably Blackrock or State Street got their grubby paws in some of it too would be my guess but I don't really know

What they get mad at you for?

>>56381096
Mashallah I only invest in the S&P BSE 500 Shariah Index

>>56381145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4SGQZej9s

>>56381147
>>56381161
>>56381156
Unfortunately, no, you can't invest in the Tick Tocks.

>ByteDance Ltd. (Chinese: 字节跳动; pinyin: Zìjié Tiàodòng) is a Chinese internet technology company headquartered in Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.[6]
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance

>>56381167
>Allah actually guarantees your gains
Holy shit, this may be worth giving up pork.

>>56381161
probably for my anti-semitic posts. anytime some pro-israeli tok pops up i leave a comment how the jews see everyone else as subhuman

Stop losses, take profits.

Why is it so hard to do something so simple

>>56381202
Profit taking is based, stop losses are cringe.

>>56381202
Why is this lady in the mens bathroom?

>>56381112
CNQ

>>56381180
It does make sense though. Going with a hyper conservative portfolio during economic uncertainty means slow gains when everyone else is making fast losses.

>>56381210
>>56381202
Because it's a tranny, duh

>>56381202
Deciding when.

>>56381202
I will elaborate on what happened to me today
>buy SQQQ 18.60
>stop loss 18.45 take profit 18.90
>crabs the whole day
>flashdump in nasdaq brings it within nanometers of my take profit but skillfully avoids it
>nasdaq proceeds to retardpump and take out my stop loss, before closing slightly lower
TLDR; FUCK you

>>56381167
>14.72%
>5 years
anyone going to tell him?

>>56381119
Up 9% this year. Vast majority of it is still Cisco. Really wish I’d bought Crowdstrike 70 dollars ago though desu

>>56381248
Divvies excluded right?

>>56381245
>he doesnt know how to buy low sell high
>he doesnt diversify
Kek, whos gonna tell him

>>56381198
Oftentimes truth or factually correct information is considered quite antisemitic, and is deemed mal information

>>56381264
other than the jewposting, i cant think of a reason why i'd be banned

is VZ gonna moon at earnings?

>>56381257
>implying
...neither of those are points relevant to anything. English must be your second language I take it.

>>56381280
Make a new account and start off with pro CCP comments then gradually throw in some jq pills and keep turning it up and see what happens

>>56381292
Doubtfull, cell sales were down last quarter and vz is constantly being mogged by tmus.

you guys are holding assets for inflation hedging right?

>>56381319
no
There is no hedge. None will be allowed

>>56381326
but tips

>>56381301
i might, idk. i realized most of my free time gets wasted being on it and just seeing big booty bitches and other curated stuff. reminds me of how i slowly quit discord after being on a bunch of 4chan servers

I had unprotected sex :)

>>56381319
Yeah, like REITs and reliable consumer staple stocks.

>>56381332
are a lie

>>56381306
at some point though, VZ is the same as it was at 55 and is at 30 now.. same earnings etc
Do I gotta wait for a 10% div

>>56381335
Well next time make sure he uses a condom, anon https://www.hiv.gov/federal-response/ending-the-hiv-epidemic/prep-program/

>>56381336
>>56381338
there's actually a trick with tips etfs that no one seems to realize

>>56381346
Anon, please be careful. I don't want you banned for antisemitism.

>>56381319
Yes I bought an ENTIRE shiny silver round in 2021. I'mal be set nigha. I got some tin snips too so I can clip some of it off little by little for food bartering, but I'm not giving up a piece for any less than a quarter cow and I got some cans of chef boyardee in my attic

>>56381342
I havent looked that in depth. Another thing to go into is what else are they diversified into, like T owning WBD.

i died for a couple years but im back i'm out of the loop what stocks are we pumping and dumping these days

>>56381410
>pumping
oil and other commodities
>dumping
tech and finance

>>56381410
we trade bonds and indexes now

>>56381293
>starts sentences with an ellipsis
>Doesn't know what a comma is
>Doesn't know "I take it" comes at the beginning of the sentence
So not only are you incapable of understanding how an index works, but you're also illiterate.

>>56381410
Well the pajeet shills never left, there's just slightly less of em, and whoever falls for it will try to pump their own heavy bags til they eventually realized they've been had.

Not much has changed but there are less people here is all

>>56381424
>trys attacking my english
lol
lmao

Sad.

>>56381384
>>56381384
as far as i know nothing, ive been watching them tank for 3 straight years and its starting to get to a point where you cant really justify it anymore, P/E is like 6 now and dividend is almost 9%

So, suppose each one of these yield an average of 125 grams, when produced indoors, and 500 grams outdoors, and each gram sells for 10 dollars
suppose i plant 10 of each and sell them at half their gross price, so 62,5x10 for 625 and 250x10 for 2500, about 3125 each (((sugar cane))) plant x10 for a total of 31250

how would i justify this money to invest it in minecraft?

>>56381439
his comment was retarded but tries is not spelled like that

>>56381352
I'm going all out.

When you buy a bond ETF you "lock in" the rate so to say, and even though you don't lock in like you would if you bought the bond itself, depending on the duration you do to an extent.

Let's say you bought $100 of a ten year bond fund yielding 5%. If the interest rate goes down by 1% then your bond fund will increase to $110 and that new fund will be yielding 4%. But you didn't buy your shares when it was $110, you bought it when it was $100. So for you, it would be $110 * 4% = $4.4 / $100 = 4.4%. This works with any number as well
>39$ at 5% -> rates drop by 1% so it increases by 10% -> $42.9 * 4% = $1.716 / $39 = 4.4% yield
The longer the duration and the higher the yield the more extreme this gets. This is bond convexity. If you buy a 20 year bond fund when rates are 5% and then it falls to 4% you get
>$100 at 5% -> rates drop by 1% so it increases by 20% -> $120 at 4% = $4.80 / 100 = 4.8%

It works with tips too. Right now the 20 year tips bond is at 2.51% and LTPZ has an average duration of 20 and is $51. If rates fall back to 1.5% then it'll raise to $61.2. And you'll barely be getting 1.8%. Kinda sucks right? That's what happens because rates are already low.

But here's the kicker, it works with inflation too. Let's say while rates are 1.5% that inflation is 2.5% (lol, we all know its going to be higher). It's going to pay out 2.5% for that current high $61.2. But if you bought it today at $51, then that comes out to 3% inflation payout. Inflation for tips bond etfs causes real returns if the NAV increases after you buy it.

The high for LTPZ was $92. If you bought it today and it got to that point, you'd be getting payouts of inflation times 1.8. Remember when inflation was 8%? You'd get 14.4%, that's 6.4% real returns above inflation, regardless of the actual fucking real return aspect of it.

This makes sense too, if you compare different TIPS ETFs the longer duration ones paid out way fucking mroe

>>56381410
Physical TMV shares hedged with EIS calls is the hot new meta.

>skew index

>>56381446
You got me.
Point still stands though, attacking grammar and spelling are basically admitting the arguments lost lol.

>>56381439
>>56381503
>>56381446
>...neither of those are points relevant to anything. English must be your second language I take it.
You're projecting.

He sold?

>>56381518
>projecting
lol no, I was calling out your bullshi. You didn't address the point and basically just made up some shit as a counter...so you obviously didnt read or are just retarded.


>>56381245
>obviously referring to your small gains
>>56381257
>buy high sell low
not relevant to buy and hold strategy.
>diversity
also no relevant.

>>56381464
ok im going all in on LTPZ thanks anon

I'm ruined

Another day. Didn't do nothing. Starting to get colder now so my outdoor walking during breaks/lunch is over with for the year.

>>56381553
>English must be your second language I take it.
>trys attacking my english
> attacking grammar and spelling are basically admitting the arguments lost lol
You literally make a semantic argument then say "hurr durr ur rong becuz u maek fun of my retarded english". Fuck off.

>not relevant to buy and hold strategy.
No shit, the point is why would you buy high if you're going to buy and hold? You should've bought bitcoin at 65k.
>also no relevant
If you think having diverse investments is irrelevant, you're probably broke.

>>56381586
Hey is your boss still that same fat black woman?

Im thinking long USB tomorrow before earnings would be a smart play

>>56381599
Kek, actually my boss is maybe a year older than me and is a white dude. When he isn't there guess who runs the show? Why me of course. Frankly its all kinda laid back easy. No one tells me nothing. No one really asks me to do nothing. I simply just go in, do whatever, then do ho hum whatever I want till I go home. Like today. After doing the things on my list I took an afternoon nap and no one said shat. Been there uh I dunno 18 years so really no one bothers me about nothing.

How can i COPE for not taking profit after being short last week ? I lost all my gains in one day its insane

>>56381587
>No shit, the point is why would you buy high if you're going to buy and hold?
...when the fuck did I say buy high?
>If you think having diverse investments is irrelevant, you're probably broke.
How is it relevant to what you posted retard? and when did I ever claim don't diversify?

Like you arnt addressing any points and just making shit up, thats why I said you must not speak english well, you retard.

Does this look like an inverse h+s

>>56381650
I don't even know what that is? bullish or bearish?

>>56381629
Man I need a job like that, but I'm in the state below you and they probably got DIE only hires now.

Unlike back when you got in that government cubicle, so unless I put on a wig and heels and use pronouns, I don't have much of a shot getting a leech of a state job

>>56381650
Looks like something else to me...

this malt o meal peanut butter cereal is burning my throat

should i invest in japan

>>56381679
That's kinda weird

>>56381639
>*When the fuck did I say buy high?
When you said buy low sell high is irrelevant.
>when did I ever claim don't diversify?
When you said diversity is irrelevant.
You must be a chatbot

I'm at 750k savings and im still depressed WTF

When do I get dopamine?

I boughted more

>>56381697
They are relevant because you're implying I said that, you retard.

>>56381710
Based. I reloaded cash last Friday.

>>56381722
If it was irrelevant then you would have no problem buying BTC at 65k. Do I have to explain what relevant means to you?

>>56381662
Yeah I got in during the good period. Although they kinda fucked with the health benefit portion of my retirement package a bit though. (applies to a certain year range; my hire date falls within that). But still it's not bad. Sick time rolls up and can be used as time counted towards retirement. Even gotta handy chart that'll convert it for you (3000hrs = 1 year). Vacation time rolls up to up to a certain amount. They let you carry so much then whatever is over that gets dumped into your sick time. It also grows as your years pass. By the time your at 20 years your racking up 2 whole days a month of vacation time plus the paid holidays,etc you get. Also the dollar value of unused vacation time can be used as a 401k boost/catch up option when your at retirement. Or they pay you for it but you get taxed at a higher rate if you do that.

>>56381733
>you would have no problem buying BTC at 65k.
I never said buy high so your retarded example still isnt applicable.
> Do I have to explain
You can't follow a basic conversation so why would I ask you to explain anything.

>>56381699
>750k savings
you're retarded if you have that in all cash

ADXN ladies and gents.

Do fundamentals even matter?

Is this bad?

>>56381319
Yeah, stocks. They've been a good long-term inflation-beater. They're not very good against short-term inflation, though.

>>56381791
The entire premise of your "argument" is that a 14.7% return on 5 years is bad, what your ignoring is literally every single other data point between those 5 years. Buying low and selling high is relevant as you would have to buy in at a low point in those 5 years, then sell at a high point or continue holding.
The fact that you don't know when or how to buy in and cash out tells me all I need to know about how irrelevant your opinion on basic finance really is.

>>56381799
they don't until they do and they do until they don't. Sometimes meme lines mean more.

>>56381804
only a loss when you sell

>>56381799
not really, the supercomputer at JPM matters more

>>56381794
Nah man, I'm actually peer-2-peer lending the 750k at 15% APR using some mafia loaner broker.

I dont ask questions, they give me monthly check, im still depressed tho - help me

>>56381869
nice, with the amount of consumer debt that's racking up that sounds like a safe play

It's literally over tomorrow isn't it bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlKrH07au6E

>>56381699
when you buy the hookers and cocaine

>>56381799
Not when its “priced in”

Think again. It’s going to be green again. We’re so fucking back

is this earnings season bullish or bearish? is this market dying or recovering?

>>56381561
You want to talk about it, champ?

>>56381970
Ath’s before end of year. Vix is subsiding. Commodities going down. Lay offs happening. It’s gonna be fooooking greeeeeen

>>56381626
Based on what?

>>56381650
Yeah, pretty much.

>>56381814
Depends on the stock.

I wish I hadn't sold GD earlier this year.

>>56381984
SANTA
RALLY

>>56381804
yeah

If dubs, there's another paraglider raid on Wednesday.

>>56382031
As much as I want something big to go down, the world loses if Kamala is in charge

>>56382038
On the contrary, it would just put us one step closer to President Jim Jordan.

>>56381699
Turns out you are living your life right now. When you "make it", you have the same life. So unless going to work is making you miserable, nothing will change when you "make it".

>>56382038
You can't stop it. Just mentally prepare yourself.

>>56382038
Will this be the black swan event?

>>56382060
sleepy joe doesn’t know what’s about to hit him
at least we’ll never have to hear about hunter biden again

>>56381760
I'll just call up some local state department of bla bla bla and tell the HNIC that I know KO Boomer and that we go way back and that I'm Cherokee or something and see if that gets me in the door

>>56381650
>inverse h+s
Cock and balls pattern.

>>56382007
Join the kool KTOS klan if you want to drown your regret in piles of money.

Oil continuing to rug. Chinamen must think peace is declared.

>>56382051
Isn't she a bit old to be wearing Converse?

>>56382153
it will come back...

>>56382202
I seen a lot of gen x boomers wearing Vans.

The sooner this shit all collapses, the sooner the world can return to sanity.

Reminder to trust the experts

>>56381112
Pbr. I decided to go less risky stuff like tx/broad south american funds. My smaller pbr stake? Been running wild. Brazils got a lot of room to rape cut.

>>56382256
True. A lot of people need to get roasted.

>>56382256
>sanity

Sanity is not necessarily inevitable. It can keep clowning forever until the antichrist comes, and beyond.

tesla short? thoughts?
i think it is at support but it failed to make a higher high

>>56382367
Biden admin is trying to torch 72% of the fuel savings of ev

2 months in a row robinhood couldn't handle paying me dividends. I even have to make the dtcc claims myself.

>>56382031
>WE WILL NOT BE HINDERED

>>56382258
risk managers are a meme

My ai girlfriend got a job coding for meta. She just had uber eats bring ma a steak.

Lmao. Buddy, look at the 30yr.
>+5bps
>4.90%
it's only 11:30!

>>56382457
I cant wait until banks start getting run on again

>>56382428
should've used a real broker instead of a bucket shop app

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!

I think that the yield curve is going to un-invert at some point which will be the signal for a recession and a decline in stock prices by up to 60%.

It’s time to all in YANG GANG

>>56382475
You just don't get it

>>56382501
I think you are wrong and that will never happen and we will all live happily ever after just like my animes

>>56382504
>Ch*nese scam companies defaulting on foreign investors first
imagine my shock.

>>56382475
>>56382428
>t. charlie schwabb

>>56382005
>>56381814
But if stocks are a poor hedge against short-term inflation doesn't that mean that accumulating them now is a good play?

Schwab would be harder for me to buy and sell the few small positions I can manage to make money in

>>56382501

I wish I'd got on with the state right after high school. Or at any point before June 2003. After June 2003 they changed the health benefit you got when you retired. Before the change basically you put in your time, you retire, and the state would pickup the cost of health insurance 100% till you went on fed govt dime at 65. Which a full retirement could start at 27 years. Ex: You start at age 19. You'd be retired at age 46. For me, I can still retire at 27 years but the health benefit switched to a dollar contribution amount. So they toss so much per month for health coverage with the difference getting taken out of my pension check. The rub; health costs suck now, it'll suck even more by the time retirement rolls around. The other rub; it's actually fucking cheaper to work far as the health coverage goes. Get the trifecta for me and the Wife (vision/dental/medical) for only $370-380 a month taken out my check.Once retirement day hits that cost skyrockets unless you do the 3rd option; get your own health plan and use the health stipend they give you to help cover the costs. (When I was a single dude I got the trifecta and it cost me just $50 a month)

>>56382529
Anon, inflation is picking back up.

>>56382543
Have you considered switching to public employment in a blue state?

>>56382547
But that's what I mean. Nobody will want them so they'll underperform, which means they might creep into value territory
(separately, I'm considering food related stocks as a 70s inflation play, since I figure oil is priced in)

>>56382578
That means accumulating them *now* is a pants-on-head retarded play. There was a famous "Death of Equities" magazine cover (https://ritholtz.com/1979/08/the-death-of-equities/)) that marked an absolute bottom of the market in the 70s, but it was at the end of the decade of inflation.

We're at the beginning.

The doom posting is a clear sign we will be green as Gumby tomorrow. Get fucked

>>56382621
Anon, the fate of world markets depends on the self control of a couple dozen Muslim squad leaders in Lebanon. I'm not saying we'll be red tomorrow. Or even the day after.

I just want you to be aware of the risk.

I thought you assclowns said the gobernment was cutting EBT. Everytime I go into the store the person in front of me always gets the SNAP mega discount. I didn't see one SNAP user until a few months back and now I'm the only asshole in the store paying full price for groceries. Who is going to get hurt the most from this and how do I short them>

>>56381637
Wait for the drop.

>>56382621
>nuke dropped on china, everyone freaking out, stock market tomorrow looking grim now that 10% of world production has been glassed
>BUT UHHH BUY WHEN EVERYONE FEARFUL DURR

>>56382504
Love to see it.

>>56382639
Shutdown can got kicked to the middle of next month. You can have your SNAP riot livestreams then: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/30/government-shutdown-live-updates-congress-faces-funding-deadline.html

>>56382515
I don't get it. Is this a zoomer thing?

>>56382647
Thinking on things a bit more the same people using SNAP are likely the same people doing all the shoplifting, so I guess SNAP is better? I'd prefer they don't hand those out like free candy and they restrict it to not be usable for organic produce and alcohol, but it's better than the rampant shoplifting. Too bad grocery stores are too inert to short.

>>56382038
>the world loses
america loses, which means the rest of the world wins

SVIX is my pepper

>>56382672
svix barely moved yesterday tho

>>56382673
>barely moved
uwotm8

>>56382672
If you're wrong, it will also be your salt :^)

>>56382589
Fair enough. But I'm still fucking around and learning what to actively trade. I have some open bioshits and next lot I'm going to short. It's been a bit of a journey the last month but I'm slowly learning more and more

i need to recoup my losses, but a kind anon keeps telling me to stay away from 0DTE options. i can't rely soley on oil to carry me

>>56382691
You don't need to make everything back in one day, one trade, or one swing. There's no need to rush.

>>56382696
anon, i made a retirement plan when i was 25. the goal was to funnel money into the stock market for 10 years and eventually have stocks/etfs pay me enough dividend to quit my trade job and work part time so i could focus on trading to earn a living. 3 years into the plan and inflation has made me reduce the amount of money i can throw into my poorfolio, plenty of losses taken in the poorfolio, and now recently i lost my job. i feel like i'm running out of time. this is the first goal i have ever set for myself and i'm already losing. i know i'm getting desperate, but i feel like i can make it still.

>>56382038
sleepy joe is going to be the sacrifice. The modern day "gulf of tonkin".

>>56382727
Just stop making bad investments

>>56382752

its not possible to know whats going to happen in the markets. therefore....gambling becomes the only sane option.

>>56382727
How old are you now, Anon? Don't forget what Daddy Bogle taught us. That "touching" your "PP" (Portfolio) is not optimal, leads to financial ruin. And now that you're between jobs you are tempted to "touch it" more. Don't be a gooner, Anon. Leave your portfolio alone. If you really want to spend your free time doing investing and have enough divvies to subsist you, then make it a career and hit the books like Burry does. Don't chase memes.

>>56382691
VIX futures market maker paypigs exist to service your financial needs. Short the VIX and keep shorting. Just be careful cuz they get uppity sometimes

How's everyone doing today? Good gains? I'm about to start putting some of my money to work in some stocks, maybe 5-7k, but I need to do more research cuz I still kinda have trouble with the vast terminology and strats and such. I also feel like some of the links attached are outdated and overcomplicate things. I don't feel like going too much into crypto unless maybe it's btc. Might put 1k into it, but no more than that. Input is appreciated

>>56382746
That'd be some Chutzpah from the kikes, killing a US President. But I wouldn't put it past them. When they feel their global dominance within reach they will do all sorts of crazy things.

Some homeless guy threw coffee at me a week ago, today I saw him and pushed him down

I didn't start this war

>>56382781
>made a retirement plan when i was 25
>3 years into the plan
Bogle was already rich when he started investing, he does it to protect his capital. i don't even know what gooner means. you are right though, i need to study up some more on this stuff, plenty to learn.

>>56382785
i don't trade futures, i suck at presents as it is.

>>56382691
A lot of rookie options players over concern themselves with theta decay because they don't fully understand delta. ODTE have very neutral delta that can grow exponentially very fast if the underlying moves giving you a ton of leverage on your contract

>>56382832
>i don't trade futures
Take a look at SVOL, SVXY, ZIVB, WEIX, and SVIX to short VIX futures in the stock market. You can also short or buy puts on VXX, VIXY, VIXM, UVXY, or UVIX if you prefer to play it that way

They're begging /biz/raelis to go die for Israel now. It's so fucking OVER.

>>56382718

>>56382794
It's easy, just pick one of these and go from there. Walk before you run.

Double diagonals and broken wing butterflies are my primary trading strategies, but learning this chart is a good first step for you before you try to get all complicated with things like DCA and divvies

>>56382847
I love these on UVXY. Since it's always more or less on a predictable down trend you can price target the butterfly with a decent amount of precision. And if UVXY goes to the moon you either lose nothing or just a tiny bit. The chances of UVXY blowing through the bottom leg of your spread is infinitesimally remote so even if it does happen it's very rare

>>56382842
so buy any of the first 5 when the market pumps? whats the plan with those?

>>56382868
to wit. systematically making this trade every week is some of the easiest money in the stock market

>>56382727
if you're saving less than 1k a month the number 1 thing you can do to start building wealth is get a job that puts you in the middle upper class
if you're saving 800 a month for 10 years thats 130k with like a 7% annual rate
if you get a job paying 100k a year and save 3k a month (very doable, i save more than that on 110k a year) then that's 130k after 3.5 years. That means you have 6.5 years to go to university and pay off your loans.

Thoughts on TPST?

>>56382794
paper trade for a few weeks/months till you know how the systems work. read during that time. 5-7k is still a decent amount of money, i started with less than that. then when you want to start trading cash you can even start doing like $20 trades. investing is different though, you can just dump it all into index funds and come back in 20 years

>>56382868
Yea I've done them on that as well quite a bit. Usually it's easy money.

But yea anyway, once that guy gets this simple beginner trader's chart down, he can move on to complex things like setting a limit order or even turning DRIP on his divvies and eventually learning how to read a bid/ask spread. Hell get there

WW3
W3W
3WW

>>56382876
>so buy any of the first 5 when the market pumps?
They're all good but I'd say SVXY is the happy medium there
>whats the plan with those?
To avoid getting rekt when the market dumps I'd suggest a trend following methodology. Since it's volatility based you could use that as the signal to buy or sell. Here it is: open the VIX6M/VIX chart on the daily time frame. If the 4pm close is below 1.15 buy when the market opens at 9:30am the next morning. If the close is below 1.15 sell at 9:30am the next morning. You could use 1.2 as well. This is just an example though. I'm sure you can do some backtesting and come up with something better. Look at VIX3M/VIX too

>>56382913
>If the 4pm close is below 1.15 buy when the market opens at 9:30am the next morning
I'm retarted. That should be if the ratio is at or above 1.15 buy the next morning. Sell if it's below. Also, FWIW, backtesting shows 1.2 to be better. I should go to bed now

>>56381587
Diversifying is only for people who pick shit stocks.

>>56382879
before i lost my job i was able to save $1k and still pay $2k on my mortgage, which is double the minimum. it was a job that was guaranteed for the next 5 years but unfortunately the contractor didn't hold their end of the deal and my company had to walk away. there's talks of negotiating a new contract but nothing will be set in stone until march, so i've got to find work elsewhere.

>>56382913
>>56382922
interesting, i'll ask more questions before market opens, sleep well

Y'all niggas should be panic buying food and supplies rn.

>>56382938
way ahead of you, bud. saw the signs before the scamdemic started and slowly accumulated more of what i already bulk buy

>>56381626
>>56382795
Who is jfk

>>56382902
>>56382868
>tfw understand and have traded to equities, options, fixed income, cfds, forex, crypto
>tfw understand micro, macro, greeks, volatility, fundamentals, technicals, risk management and position sizing, seasonality, and even promoted schizo jewish calendar theories
>tfw cannot fucking have consistent gains and be profitable or even break even
Hurts man

>>56381626
If you're going long then don't buy calls right now that's a rookie mistake going into earnings. You're going to get IV crushed so just buy the security outright

>>56382967
What's the risk of buying the stock and selling a CC on inflated IV? I suppose it could drop in value, but the gains offered by writing the option should ideally offset that. You'd be delta neutral, though gamma would affect it.
But then you could be elaborate and hedge the gamma with a calendar spread, but then you're going to eat transaction fees

>>56382971
I did that for a little bit. It is very capital inefficient due to 2 day settlement time for stock. If you want to do that short vol into earnings strat (I wouldn't recommend it) selling puts into earnings accomplishes the same thing with the faster 1 day options settlement.

Why do people here want some kind of a big crash? The economy is doing great, the job market is alright, good quality stocks are as strong as ever... why would you want a crash? Didn't you buy last year?
People make it out to seem like the market is on some sort of an irrational high but it makes sense that the big seven and most other quality stocks are either at ATH or hovering near ATH. Small caps and others that have a big exposure to the high rates are getting kekked. Some tech really is overvalued though (AMD for example) but that is still kind of understandable

So basically, a brand new trader should learn things in this order, the first and easiest most basic thing first, Advanced Option Spread Strategies.

BEGINNER
1: Advanced Option Spread Strategies Chart
2: option spreads
3:how to sell options
4: how to buy a call or put

INTERMEDIATE
5: Gamma
6:Vega
7: Theta
8::Delta
9: level 2 data

VERY ADVANCED
10: limit orders
11: DRIP
12: Bid/ask spread

EXPERT LEVEL
13: how to buy a single share of stock
14: What red and green candles mean
15:How to count from 1-10

GRAND MASTER
16: How to open a brokerage account
17How to turn a computer on

>>56382994
STFU Baghdad Bob

More doom posting. Gonna be long green dildos for the week.

>>56382977
>If you want to do that short vol into earnings strat
I accidentally did that with a calendar spread once and ate a 70% loss on the trade, was not fun.

Separate from all that, my last option trade was a bull put spread on XLF. I entered 2x
-37P/+35P on Sept 15th for a Oct 13th(?) exp. At the time I believe that I thought there was a bullish case for $37 and this would be a safer spread to trade. Got $340 upfront, next day it gapped down and I got early assigned. Had to do $7400 on margin and paid interest on it for 2-3 days before I realized that even if I was right, because I didn't have the cash on hand I'd be eating fees and it was better to just exercise my 35P, sell for $7000 and have a net $60 loss (plus fees).

>>56382971
The high premium will help eat cost if earnings leads to increased IV. When the IV reverts again your CC will most likely remain bearish. USB has a 38% IV in the 73% percentile so it's definitely going to revert pretty drastically after earnings unless they defy expectations

>>56382957
Markets can be frustrating. The fucked thing is no matter what you do there is luck involved, e.g. if you had a long equities strat and started out in 2010 you looked like a genius for 10 years straight. Will it work like that the next 10 years? Nobody knows. In the long run there are some things that seem plausibly axiomatic. Stocks go up more often than down for reasons. Government intervention, corporate efficiency, 401k investors dumping money in monthly, etc. So that said your strategy should take stocks going up into account which means you should favor being long. That's the bedrock. Add to that some uncorrelated stuff like options selling, maybe iron condors, calendar spreads, broken wing butterflys on volatility ETPs.
In short, trend follow equities with a long bias. Pick your poison for signals, moving averages, volatility, breakouts, whatever. Just have a system that backtests well and follow it religiously. I'd say run that with maybe 3/5 of your portfolio. With the other 40%, use a systematic premium farming strategy. Sell iron condors on SPY. Look for situations where SPY is in some kind of range or whatever. As long as it isn't going straight up or down. In that situation definitely don't open an iron condor just to get stopped right out. You want a some amount of volatility so your wings won't be too close together. Maybe look for IV rank at least above 15%. Look for deltas .15 or below on the short legs and open 30-45 days out. Take profit when you're up 50% and stop yourself out if you lose 15% of the premium you received when opening the trade. Never ever let your iron condor go until you reach maximum loss. Always stop out. If IV rank is below 15 consider opening a calendar instead since they are positive vega. And look >>56382878 and >>56382868 for my thoughts on UVXY broken wing butterflys. Just some suggestions. Remember, consistency is key. You are most likely to abandon a strategy right before it makes the biggest profit

>markets

https://youtu.be/X-f4im0PeUQ?si=b8NGTmVMS8cW9weR

>>56383010
I had something happen and I was negative $144,000 in my account for a few hours til the other legs went through, kek, I don't even remember what it was it's happened so many times to me at this point

>>56383021
>unless they defy expectations
There's that tail risk that I don't like. Every time I've tried something, I get blindsided by something I hadn't considered. Last thing I want to do is set up a strategy that "can't lose unless X happens" and then have it happen

When I was trading biotechs last month, I went long 3 weeks before their PFUDA dates, did 1% risk and scaled by the ATR. Risk was good. Looked at my total ATR x quantity exposure among all open trades, and bought 1/3rd that in LABD. More or less broke even, was up by about $70 at one point but finished down $60. I think the idea was to more or less hedge myself and benefit from positive tail risk on event data.

I think I could probably do that with SQQQ or shorting a spider sector etf on company ERs. I'll have to figure that out though

>>56383025
>stop yourself out if you lose 15% of the premium you received when opening the trade
*le sigh*
That should be 50%

>>56383010
Ouch, early assignment. While I had margin when I was doing my earnings trades I never dipped into it. For me 2 large losses completely offset 6 wins, so I stopped. I don't buy options anymore, not even leaps.

>>56383038
>I was negative $144,000 in my account for a few hours til the other legs went through
Only one solution in that situation

>>56381078
I am literally a money alchemist.

>>56383082
Nice work.

>>56383082
Give us some tips anon. How do we become you?

>>56383092
most of my alpha comes from short selling

internet was down literally all day (before work til just now)
fuck comcast and what i miss?

Every piece of advice except 2x the index. Holyyyyyy fuck it’s gonna rip. Might wanna make it 3x

>>56383025
I'm a big proponent of risk management and trade psychology and agree on being consistent.

If you flip a coin (going long on heads and short on tails), you should be right approximately 50% of the time. Let's say you have an indicator that gives you a baseline or confirmation and you can avoid 1-2 bad trades and that pushes your win rate to 51% - you are now longterm profitable.

Another thing is cutting losers and letting winners run. If you have a perfect 50% winrate, your distribution on individual trades should be a bell curve. If you hold losers and cut winners, you shift the bell curve to negative ROI%. If you consistently avoid bad entries, cut losers, manage risk and let winners run, you shift the bell curve to positive ROI% for free. It's all about managing trades.

The problem is that while I understand this and have started doing this with biotechs (as mentioned >>56383040), it's not quite profitable yet. In aug/sept I did 10 trades (1 option) and was down $300. Of that $300, I paid $110 in fees, $60 on the option loss. If I avoided that trade entirely, I'd have cut my losses in half. So avoiding things like that. Sept/Oct was much better - $140 in fees, but only a net $60 loss so far.

>>56383092
there's not much liquidity in what I do, so I can't say exactly what it is, but it uses a quantitative methodology
I got into an argument with the biotech pajeet that posts here, he agreed with every biotech short I had, but was assblasted that I didn't spend months researching them

>>56383114
>Another thing is cutting losers and letting winners run. If you have a perfect 50% winrate, your distribution on individual trades should be a bell curve. If you hold losers and cut winners, you shift the bell curve to negative ROI%. If you consistently avoid bad entries, cut losers, manage risk and let winners run, you shift the bell curve to positive ROI% for free. It's all about managing trades
Yeah it took a while and some big losses to finally hammer this into my head. Now I ruthlessly cut losses and resist the urge to sell winners. Sounds like you have the right mindset and a systematic strategy. You probably are just having a rough patch. It'll pass and you'll start making money
>>56383116
>I got into an argument with the biotech pajeet that posts here, he agreed with every biotech short I had, but was assblasted that I didn't spend months researching them
based

I had too much coffee earlier today and now I have the worst kind of runny diarrhea and I can't reach my ass because of my weight.

Hey so did crouching tiger quiet forest ever have a conclusion?

>>56383169
nigga got heemed too

>>56383132
I fuck around with my own indicators on TradingView too. I watch NNFX on YT. One thing I want to try is my own volume/volatility indicator.

In particular, if a stock is crabbing in a range, candles also have a fairly consistent height. That means volatility is going down. If a candle breaks out of the range, the only way it can maintain a low volatility is if the candle size itself also decreases. Eg, a small candle breaking the range doesn't matter. In other words, increasing volatility means a trend is forming and it is breaking out from the sideways range. An increase in average volume can also confirm this.

I also like to look at ATR as a % of closing price. I find that tickers that are less than 1.5% tend to take up a huge amount of capital in order to maintain a 1-2% risk position size, while stuff in the 2-6% ATR are plenty volatile and I only need to post like 20% of my account in a position to get a proper trade in, which means more concurrent trades (great if I'm winning). I find that more than 8-10% ATR tends to get extremely volatile and tends to get closed very quickly unless you have a different approach (eg, sizing for 0.5% risk but then doubling your SL)

>>56383175
Yea but why was the forest quiet

>>56383164
>I had too much coffee earlier today and now I have the worst kind of runny diarrhea and I can't reach my ass because of my weight.
You have options butter elemental bro

>>56383132
I dunno about that advice. Maybe if you're an active trader and you want to free up new capital as fast as possible, but personally I didn't have a single "loser" yet that didn't turn in a winner with enough patience. Then again, I pick solid stocks that I believe in.

>>56383116
What are you shorting typically? Exclusively biotech, microcaps?

>>56383189
Thanks for reminding me to take a shower. I usually do when I wake up and go to sleep. At least I can still get off my ass for that. I'll make sure to wash between all my cracks.

>>56383193
Yes, most of the time if you buy the dip on good stocks, especially low volatility mega blue chips like PEP, UNH, WM, ROL, etc. you will profit in the long run. But as you say I'm an active trader trying to beat the market. Think about it like this: if I buy a stock or ETF and it goes up I make money. If I don't have stops I make lots of money. If I have a stop loss and it triggers occasionally I still make plenty of money just not quite as much. If the stock goes down and I don't have a stop loss I lose an indeterminant amount of money for an indeterminant amount of time. It could be a small amount or it could be a whole lot for a long time. However if I have a stop I just lose a little money and then I can redeploy that money into something else while somebody else is holding my former bags.
In short if stocks go up I make money no matter what. If they go down I lose a little bit. Without a stop I lose a lot. Hence I use stops. In effect letting winners run and cutting losers short

>>56383211
>>56383193
I have about $8k in bonds and like 95 WMT that I get at a 15% discount through work. I want to write CCs on it for another 1-1.5% yield and be conservative with them; my ACB is around $90-100 a share (dividends and contributions over 5 years).
I have about $6k in my active trading account, with lifetime losses of around $12k. It's going to take a long time to rebuild that capital, but my hope is to be consistently breakeven or profitable and then perhaps join a prop firm... I try to do trend trading on the daily

Yields...

>>56383211
To add to this, every strategy has to be one you can live with and it has to fit into your own context. For some people stop losses fill them with anxiety. They get stopped out then the price turns around and they feel bad. They would have been better off psychological just holding onto the losing trade until eventually it turned around. Some people are wired that way. I'm wired such that I prefer to get out of something that's not going my way and get back in when it turns around. It makes me feel good like I "beat the system". It's fun and I can stick with it. I can't stick with holding trades that are going down. Depending on the market environment I may or may not make more money in the long run but it works and it makes me feel better. It helps me stick to my system and make money which is probably the most important thing
>>56383220
>I want to write CCs on it for another 1-1.5% yield
>I try to do trend trading on the daily
I can see why people find covered calls compelling, I tend to avoid them though. Especially as part of a trend following strategy. Consider the facts of trend following. It's a strategy with a higher percentage of losing trades than winning trades yet still profitable since the big winners way more than make up for any losers. However covered calls can end up sabotaging the big trend winners. As soon as a big trend takes off your shares get called away and you miss it. Conversely, there is lots of room for options trading you can pair up with your trend following that doesn't hurt your gains and isn't correlated at all so it can help when your trend following hits a draw down. Opening broken wing butterflies on VXX for example. Or iron condors on SPY and QQQ. The upshot is you really do want option strategies that avoid capping your trend following gains. Covered calls look good because they are easy to understand and implement. They will hurt your gains though. Also, when I mentioned WM I meant Waste Management

>>56383250
>Yields keep getting higher

we are so fucked aren't we?

>>56383260
Oh sorry, I meant bonds, (silver!), and WMT are my stable portfolio I dont really fuck with. The only exception is CCs for extra income, even if its conservative. My forever bags. I also have my eye on uranium, copper, sand, water, and EWW
My active trading consists of whatever system I come up with

>OMX
YES, I should have shorted more, goddamn, lol. Also just woke up, fuck, I missed the bottom 10 mins ago

>>56383269
Only the long duration part of the curve, as inflation stays sticky.

>futures

https://youtu.be/ZBcQBa7nBnU?si=PORuVo6UUN2VeP8a

>>56383269
>>56383275
Why do yields even matter and how are they even related to the stock markets? Everyone I see making a big deal about this seems like a bunch dumb dicks to me. I have yet to hear one important argument why this shit even matters.

>>56383313
In a healthy market environment, bonds have an inverse correlation to equities

>>56383313
Equities compete with bonds. Also the cost to finance debt is a function of yields, especially the 10 year. For companies with a lot of debt that they have to refinance soon this is a big deal. See verizon's stock tanking because they have 150b in debt, ~50b of which is either variable rate or needs refinanced within the next 2 years.

Also Scholz is an idiot. He doesn't know how to handle people of different cultures. He explicitly warns Iran and Hisbollah not to interfere. These people rather take this as a challenge then as a real warning. You don't threaten them in this way as they don't want the world to see this threat be effective against them.

>>56383313
They are a risk free "investment"? You could give your money to a bank for return, but banks often have lower rates than states (look at states with less credit rating). But I still might trust a state more than a bank. Also, other than an account @ bank you can trade bonds by selling. So if you buy when yields are high and yields fall again, you could sell them at profit. They are like a mix of a fixed rate bank account (sorry I don't know the international or US term for it, but I mean an account at bank for which they pay you interest on a fixed rate for a fixed time), and stocks as you can sell them again because they can change their value. As if you were selling your bank account contract to another person

>>56383313
financial assets compete with one another for investor money. why would you buy a stock(or the index) if a risk free asset called a bond yields 5%-10%? it would mean the stock would need to outperform the bond because stocks dont guarantee returns, while bonds generally do(its a loan that is paid back).

bonds are considered safer and as investors age they want more bonds. when the 10 year treasury goes up in yield, it becomes more attractive to investors. the 100 year sp500 average return is 9%. imagine if lending the government money for 10 years gave you 9%(remember they own the money printer and have never failed to pay back bond holders). that would mean, there would be less demand for stocks, which would put downward pressure on stock prices. this is how bond yields/interest rates affect asset prices, not just stocks.

>>56383326
Also i other words, if you follow modern port theory, you can short bonds to receive a loan at the RFR and invest in a risky asset for optimized gains

>>56383326
>>56383313
And I mean selling the contract and not also your money with it, as you get your money+profit back. By selling your bond another person simply takes the contract, the obligation the state has towards the holder to pay interest for the remaining time. But this obligation changes in value depending on interest rates, credit rating, time til expiry etc.

It's less risk than dividendfags. I'd rather buy corporate bonds than buy a stock for dividends, as the debt has to be paid first should the company go down the drain.

>>56383334
How you short bonds I don't know. Have only seen inverse ETFs for bonds, or maybe some marketmakers who offer CFD on bonds which you can "sell" then.

>>56383339
Would buying a junk bond and shorting a company be double dipping on negative exposure? It would be self financing and if it was safe it would be arb'd away

How are there so many people posting at 3-4 in the morning? West coast fags get out so I can post Pepe barrel rolls uninterrupted.
t. woke up drunk

>>56383350
Usually shorting at RFR is for institutions and accredited investors, but its good to know the theory for learning about possible money flows. You can use fprwards and futures to simulate them, probably

>>56383313
>Why do yields even matter and how are they even related to the stock markets?
Stocks go up when people buy stocks. However if people sell stocks to lock in a guaranteed 5% gain with bonds stocks will go down. Lots of people find that 5% a compelling alternative. As yields rise the number of stock sellers and bond buyers will increase. Take into account too the number of investment advisers that will steer investors into these increasing yields and away from stocks

>>56383355
Sometimes it feels like a certain group of people are constantly trying to arb my portfolio away from me

>>56383355
It would be hedging. You short and when the company dies you make profit. If the company surives you get interest by the junk bond. In such a scenario it's better if the company goes sideways or eventually drops slowly until your bonds expires as you also don't want to lose your money you invested there.

I'm shorting EU, but also bought bonds early october/end of september as a countermeasure cause I was pretty sure the market would go up, yields would go down, but I'm unwilling to buy stocks at this environment. Now I have some bonds at good rates, some I sold again at profit although very low, as it was my first time buying bonds and I wanted to try that play out. My timing also wasn't perfect as for whatever reason EU yields moved a day later as if they have a fuckin delay. EU stocks also have this sometimes and bonds/yields seem to have too...

>>56383362
I don't even know what arb means. I only know Arby's. And I don't even know if we have this here in the EU.

>>56383358
>he doesn't watch his portfolio literally 24 hours a day
ngmi

>>56383367
But youd also be paying a borrowing fee for the stock, say 4%. Suppose the bond pays 6.5%. Now youre hold all that weight to have a guaranteed 2.5%, at which point just buy a treasury. The only real situation that feels good is if you want a slow burn on a company that you feel is insolvent. But then something like GME or BBBY has an extremely high borrow cost.

Also what bonds you buying? I buy fixed income with TD. Got a couple monthly banker acceptance at 4.9%

>>56383372
Arbitrage, basically they are constantly trying to Jew me out of my money is all

>>56383372
Arbitrage. Risk free guaranteed returns.
It exploits market inefficiencies and often exists for minutes (or seconds) at a time and needs 6-7 figure trades to profit from it. HFT are a consequence of this.
It makes the market more liquid and is literally why "priced in" exists as a concept

>>56383384
>borrowing fee
Yeah, that is right. Didn't think of that as the CFD-brokers I use pay you interest for shorting because of the high central bank rates. They have a different formula.

I bought romanian and spanish bonds. The spanish I sold again, because I expect EU yields (not romanian though) to spike later this year or early 2024, so I would buy them again, hopefully at the same price I initially bought or cheaper.

>>56383384
I just checked TLT on CMC and they pay you 1.91% p.a. for shorting it.

it's over

>>56383411
>>56383406
That's what I mean, CMC and IG actually pay you for shorting the market. Indices or stocks. Haven't looked at bonds/bond-etfs.

>>56383406
That reminds me, I have access to CFDs (and up to 500:1 leverage, lol). Anyways I saw currencies pay you if the interest spread is in your favor
But other stuff like metals, zinc had a positive cost if long, negative if short, and nickel had negative long and positive short
Then crypto cfds had a negative carry cost if long or short

I thought I saw a spek of red
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>56383428
seems sussy

>>56383434
You are the max payne faggot. C'mon show yourself.

>>56383449
I'm not

You are the "I'm getting 20% p.a. to short faggot'?

Is it possible the global economy is shrinking and the stock market has not caught up yet?

>>56383325
If large companies like Verizon need to refinance because they have a certain amount of debt on variable rate of interest with the likelihood of the FED raising rates we could see bankruptcies and massive layoffs. This will lead to an uptick in unemployment claims, more government spending, and a tightening of private sector spending. This could be rough for 2024

>>56381172
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4SGQZej9s
404
Anyway Arabic semites and jewish semites are the same people, any conflict between those too is the left hand arguing with the right hand. Europeans and anybody non-semitic has no business worrying about this.

I have a bad feeling. Guaranteed we test the monthly low by Wednesday close

>>56383468
My QQQ puts are ready

>>56383458
It's so easy knowing which posts are yours even without the max payne pics. You are as unironically deranged and schizo as he is. Did your wife and kid get murdered by druggies too?

>>56383477
>It's so easy knowing which posts are yours
Bruv you literally called some other dude a payne poster.

>>56383458
And I'm getting it.

>>56383482
It wasn't him, lmao.

>>56383482
I'm not the same guy you were responding to. Now answer me did some ass hole on drugs kill your family too?

>>56383477
>It's so easy knowing which posts are yours even without the max payne pics
Yes because I recommended ORLEN and it's up 26% and you didn't buy and you envy me. Also my wife is fine pic rel.
>>56383483
Good for you.
>>56383486
Didn't check the IDs rookie mistake.

>US joins
>EU dies
It is also right on time, 10:15 am german time. Same thing happened friday. Exactly that time EU started crashing. 10:15am is when the coffee market opens

>VIX is up 50 bepis in premarket

>Fucking premarket

>>56383500
>Pic
LMFAO.

>>56383201
shorting SPACs seems a good idea given how they are pure scam like the biotechs.

We can now expect this market to rallye and die with each fuckin day as we have this israel bullshit

>>56383507
This is a good idea, since SPACs sidestep the IPO process. Also IPOs cant be shorted for 30 days but SPACs are just a business entity

What is happening to futures??

>>56383529
Just buy JingDong & Alibaba and don't look at the futures.

It's actually really embarassing that you can clearly tell how the market changes at 10 am/ 4am EST, as then the first burgers join and dictate what EU is going to do. This EU market is so much cucked, it is shameful.

>>56381424
>Doesn't know "I take it" comes at the beginning of the sentence
"They are not perilous words when spoken to one of my own caste, I take it" (Twain, Connecticut Yankee).
"You are bound for the coast, I take it" (Cabell, Line of Love).
"He has not much time for composing or singing Comic Songs this morning, I take it" (Dickens, et al., Mugby Junction).

>futures

>>56383543
In the big list of how boned everyone is they're boned spectacularly hard.

is putting all my money into JEPI so i can take 2 months off a year from work a good strategy?

>>56383615
No

indices have been dead for 1 hr

Baking

Funko pops
Routers
Coal
WRXs
and
Luxury water manifolds

>>56383715
The retarded cock sucker is up

>>56383704
>>56383585
>>56383585
>>56383585
Baked

I got a trading competition(virtual money) coming where I got 3 weeks to make gains on any stocks in the SP500. I can only buy and sell, no shorting or margins. No options stuff. I'm trying to think of the best strategy. Obviously has to be high risk high reward. Past winners have all made around 30%-50%. Right now I'm thinking of trying to play earnings calls. Just read as much news as I can, read what the company executives are saying, how they are acting to try and get info that way. I reckon if I get lucky and get 7% pumps 5 times during that 3 week period, I might win it. I'm thinking maybe some military stocks are worth looking into and commodities related stuff. Small cap obviously better for riskier plays.

I also wonder how wild the earnings are compared to previous years since there has been a lot of uncertainty in the air which should provide for some nice volatility.

>>56383326
>Scholz is an idiot
Water is wet