/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56350641
2017 was the real one 100% agreed.
You have to understand though that to be a young person in the west in the last ~6-10 years has been incredibly depressing, and the frustration of having to go to 'work', being wasted away by a system that more closely resembles feudalism while constantly shouting that it is capitalist and free-market and open enterprise... i mean people need this to work.
If crypto doesn't work that's it for a lot of people

OP is a jew.

>>56350681
What’s better for them, to face reality now, or to face it ten years from now when they’re old, still broke, crypto zeroed and then decide to rope?

>>56350689
it can be a bank employee too

>>56350703
I love that this was probably posted unironically. No way anyone could be calling bullshit on your lottery fantasies unless it’s a conspiracy by The Man. Lol.

>>56350641
>>56350681
>>56350695
>>56350726
Thanks, just sold everything.

>>56350641
I always love the bear market demoralization posts

>>56350695
This is a tough situation all around for people. Imagine being a 27 year old underemployed with a fake job in the Soviet Union and the year is 1987...
In our case we don't know for sure if there's only two years before our Berlin Wall falls and the emperor has no clothes moment happens for the USA, but we can't kick the can anymore to other generations. This is the generation that's going to eat this evil

ew shes smoking :\

Bottom signal

>>56350922
Gonna be many many years of “bottom signals” lol

>>56350641
This is why institutions are finally coming in. They've sniffed out that the normies are gone and that a bunch of money can be made now that the tech has become somewhat functional. Crypto will still have another cycle, but this time 99% of the tokens (including most of mine) will get axed by regulations and bled to death. This is where Googles and Microsofts will be made. Same shit happened with computing, internet, AI and now crypto.

yeah greed as a concept stopped existing altogether and all the new terminally online generations who grew up paying for videogame skins/points will actually return to good ol' boomer bank savings am i rite

pharmaceutical companies and politicians are ruining the economy.

the medical system is a giant racket.

anesthesia is low cost to produce, it's made of natural substances that can be grown in your back yard.

imagine paying someone $4,000 to inject you with opium and take a needle with thread to put a few stitches in your flesh.

The politicians and pharma companies are purposely poisoning people and selling them relief from suffering.

Creating diseases at birth or before the child is born, locking them into the medical system.

It's all about slavery.

>>56350641
JIDF posting again. The gay fud and demoralization threads stopped when Israel was getting BTFO

>>56350695
This, Bitcoin is DEAD and it's NEVER COMING BACK

>>56351641
Institutions were “here” since CME/Cboe futures launch in 2018. What good has it done? Bitcoin is trading in inflation adjusted terms below the 2017 high when institutions entered.

Institutions like CME and BlackRock just want to collect fees off the dumb goyim who want to buy this. They don’t buy it themselves. They just saw CZ and Arthur getting rich at doing something they are good at, being brokers, and decided they wanted a piece of the pie.

If anything institutional involvement and ETFs make crypto LESS valuable, because it removes the mystique of owning crypto in a wallet, which you had to be slightly technical and non-boomer to do. If ETFs go live, the genZ bagholder doesn’t feel special for holding it when their grandparents can do it too!

>>56350641
10% of the human population have invested in crypto for shits and gigs, not even 1% of that actually knows what theyre investing in.
OP isnt in the 1%

>>56350641
I've read the same drivel since 2013 (which I missed because I sat on the side, listening to people like you, thinking BTC was a scam).

It's really funny because everyone thinks crypto is done while the world economy is collapsing... but this is literally what bitcoin was made for.

>>56350641
Gay digits. ngmi.

Post more cumsluts

>>56352287
Kike shouldn’t you be suiting up to battle hamas instead of shitposting stupidity on /biz?
I know you are retarded but math shows crypto is just beginning pleb stop trying to fud people because you are angry and Jewish.
Better yet kys faggot.

>>56350681
>2017 was the real one 100% agreed.
check this guy out
he agrees with OP that it was a Ince in a. lifetime thing, but then adds that it happened in 2017 as well
>happened in 2017
>happened in 2020
>once in a lifetime thing
>once
>two examples given
>one
>two
>1 != 2
stupid

>>56350641
>The miracle of 2020 with the unprecedented money printing will not be repeated ever in your lifetime
It already has been by Biden you spastic

>>56350641
>muh money printoooor
>muh inflation
>muh recession
>muh economy
/pol/ hillbillies will never understand bitcoin because they are too dense and too dependent on the current system to survive. They cheer on the death of crypto because it assures them that everything will be okay.

>>56352358
That’s the funny thing, everyone was skeptical of crypto during its ENTIRE 10+ year run. Then at the end, thanks to Elon shilling to billions of ppl and sportsball stadium sponsorships, the most people EVER are FULLY invested and herded in—right when it’s actually dying. Reminds me of charts of shitcoins which always show the most volume at the blowoff top.

What the wise man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end.

>>56352393
>/pol/ hillbillies
Rent free tranny

>>56352484
>too fucking inbred to even reply to the correct post

>>56350681
Based

>>56352287
I need to see her pee in the woods

>>56350641
I have done the math and on the account of my advanced age and lack of marketable skills, betting on one more bullrun is my most viable option. There are worse risks in life.

>>56350641

Absurd

>>56350641
The fact that you still have to come here and convince us means you're wrong.

>>56352672
Fair. But prepare to be disappointed

>>56350641
Not even close buddy,
East sea beats ya.

>>56353396
Aside from being a terminally online loser like everyone else on this board, what makes you an authority worth listening to?

>>56350641
Don't think so, at least not like stocks, if it was my pond bags would've pumped long ago and hard enough for me to not be as depressed as I am right now

>>56353482
You're just coping now faggot

>>56352888
Unfathomably based, OP is a faggot

>>56353482
Not even a miracle would have pumped your bags faggot

>>56353482
Sell and rope, stop the cope

>>56350641
15 years ago I was 3 years old. What the fuck did you want me to do nigger? Be born earlier? Fuck you roastiepostingqueerniggerslavefaggot

>>56353468
Been trading shitcoins since 2017. Solidity dev. Helped launch a few NFT mints. I have forgotten more about crypto than you’ll ever know. Kind of regret spending as much time as I did on this garbage, but at least I made money off it which is more than most of this board can say bagholding LINK and other crap.

>>56353573
I would suggest you find a sector that’s up and coming like AI or alternative energy to get involved in. Rather than joining older millennials failed bubble that people are desperate to break even on and get out of.

>>56353615
AI is also a millennial retard scam tho. I’ll keep holding on to my stinkies

>>56353615
Plus, I want a shib-esque. Some silicone valley retard whore fake product bullshit startup probably won’t give me that.

>>56353615
Plus, I want a shib-esque return. Some silicone valley retard whore fake product bullshit startup probably won’t give me that.

>>56350641

That’s why mofuckas with far higher IQs and already rich are still launching successful products u stupid fuck. Pulsechain for example launched in may of all times, richard is richer than dogshit and has no need for your $500 of liquidity faggot. But nice demor post. Shit is getting pretty predictable 2 years into this bear market. Kill yourself.

>>56353589
So you're a poor loser who is stuck on this board hoping everyone else faces a similar fate to you. Got it.

>>56353699
Richard is going to prison retard. The DOJ already has warrants.

>>56353396
most people on this board do not have anything to lose anon

>>56353640
>>56353647
buy dogbat
>D0HRT

>>56351641
What institutions are coming in? How is the tech now “somewhat functional”? People were saying the same shit 5 years ago; you’re a charlatan.

>>56353716
Nah he'll settle. No one really got scammed so they don't have anything on him.

>>56350641
I don't care though, I will keep bag holding and even cope some more SUPRA after it's TGE.

not reading all that, OP is a confirmed tranny faggot

>>56350641
>Buy Signal - The Thread

>>56350641
I thought the same thing in 2018.
Thankfully still had the foresight to keep money in crypto, hoping for at least a smaller pump, so I made it in the inferior 2020 bull run.
There's definitely going to be more, unless crypto gets completely outlawed.
If there's no money printing, even money launderers would create pumps, look at the NFT craze, this had nothing to do with QE.

>>56351703
kek, underrated post
>>56352287
>boomercoin is not mooning anymore, therefore you can't make money off crypto
>>56352358
BTC has been a scam since 2017
Most of the money made in alts since is BECAUSE bitcoin became a scam and OG bitcoiners started diversifying, making coins moon x100 left and right. The QE bull of 2020 pales in comparison to what happened in 2017 around the fork.
>>56352362
It was made for that, then it was turned into a ponzi. Speculative assets get the worst crashes during collapsing economies, BTC has acted like a penny stock since blockstream decided you shouldn't be able to transact with it.
>>56353589
LINK is +6000% since ICO, and as you said it's one of the bad performers that we laugh at.

This is why I use mizar.com

Woah haha didn't read, more bitcoin for me though. Darn

>>56355025
I forgot your name faggot. Have there been any DBI generals recently?

>>56355131
My name is vengeance and I will not rest until The Dev brings Honor

>>56355138
Be there soon Roberto

>>56355142
No Dev. Things are different now. I've grown, crypto has grown. SBF is actually going to jail. You were right all along
I finally learned what you meant by Honor. You weren't fighting for crypto. You did it all for the little guys
>puts .45 in mouth
I'll be there soon Dev

Amazing how easy it was to end the robot demoralization thread

How many link would it cost to sniff her brapper? 2030 linkies?

How much ny@N c@t money would it cost to sniff her brapper? 2061 lil kitties?

How much ny@N c@t money would it cost to sniff her brapper? 2061 lil kitties?

>>56350641
>Your coins are not coming back
Yes they are.
1) BTC ETFs
-feeds-
2) Human Greed

same as it ever was

>>56350641
They printed enough money in 2020 for at least two more bull markets. You have any idea how much money was created during that time? We're still dealing with inflation.

>>56353716
Nigger staked too much hex and is coping.

You heard about the powerball jackpot recently, right? That shit gets plastered across all fucking news channels anytime it gets north of $1B, with the singular goal of getting as many shmucks to sit and think "if I won the lottery I would..." and convince themselves to go and dump even more money into it. They play not because they expect to win, but because they love the idea that they *might*. That's crypto, except your odds are higher and the payout is lower. Crypto is to most people just an alternative form of lottery tickets, and they only want to play when other people start winning and the stories start coming out again that it's once again become a way to "get rich quick". They like the idea that their odds are higher and the payout is potentially quite high but uncertain. That's what most people want, a self perpetuating global raffleball they can throw money in with decent odds of winning. That's why crypto hasn't and never will die - it fills that gap in the market.

The grand irony is of course that the only way to *really* win in crypto is: play when they don't, quit playing when they do. Who is "they"? Well... they are the people who want the thrill of playing raffleball, no matter the odds or payout.

As long as it still costs « 2-3 $» to send money, it’s not over.
As long as our houses are not in chains, it’s not over.
As long as the commoner doesn’t interact with smart contract, this is not over.


Be greedy when other are shitposting that it’s over.

>>56350695
The length of the upper arm gives him away. No fixing that. Same with thigh length I bet.

>>56353621
With the solutions AGII is offering and the plan to go live on exchanges, AI is set to pull a magical move in the next bullrun. Dyor and keep an eye on it anon.

>>56353589
Keep an eye on SUPRA, the TGE next year will get melt faces.

>>56353482
I made 10x with QANX this year and I'm going stronger. The launches, development and partnerships have been significant so far, why not dump those shits and put your trust on this L1 blockchain.

>>56353482
Kek shitcoins could have pumped your bags

>>56351703
/thread

>>56350641
You are the otherside of the retard coin. One side yells that bitcoin is inevitable and iminent, the other says it is all nothing. In the Dotcom bust many lost everything on speculative garbage and the other side of retards took this as demonstration that internet tech was a fad that was on its way out. Both are retards who will never make it. You are just a different type of midwit. At least the hysterical counterpart will make it having bought in at a terrible price point (which in time is still seen as insanely opportune). You will retire at 70 and live meagerly on treasury coupon payment after wasting your entire life of waging at a job you HATE. Lol

>>56357476
I keep hearing this comparison to the dotcom bubble. This was not the dotcom bubble. There were useful things to come out of it like Amazon and Google. Nothing in crypto serves any purpose other than speculation and/or crime.
>if you disagree with me you are just a wagie who will retire poor!
Ah yes, don’t forget to project the emotions that motivated you to join this cult to begin with.

>>56354675
Dip buyers atm are just cashing out smarter participants.

PLEASE go ahead and buy the dip. Fade me all you want. Go all in, right here.

>>56350641

It was a pump driven by the stable issuers and exchanges, with the goal of enticing people to jump into crypto so as to liberate them from their dollars.

But it wasn't a pump totally based on nothing. Stablecoins are a very useful way for 2nd and 3rd world people to store value when their own currencies are hyperinflating or to evade capital controls, so there is some genuine demand for these products. And that's how they got big enough to pull these pump and dumps off.

Ofc they are probably only fractionally reserved and it seems like Uncle Schlomo has currently decided he wants to kill them. So now would not be a great time to be in anything crypto probably.

Anyways, the moral of the story is that there will be money to be made in crypto again, someday, just know the game you're playing. If there isn't organic usage of something beyond speculation: it's a ponzi. And you can even make money on ponzis, just never forget that's what it is. All the shit about smart contracts, defi, tokenization, oracles, blah blah blah, all sales pitches.

A bubble in financial assets takes about 8-10 years on average to recover previous highs, if the asset is still viable. This is as compared to beanie babies and tulips which were closer to fads with a heavy financial component, and are not viable assets.

So really I think we don’t see another bullrun until 2030 at the earliest

>mfw Never fell out of six figures after the previous ATH.
Yep I’m gonna fucking make it bros.
I will retire in 2026 and start a new, comfy life full of swimming in the ocean, making music and exercising. Life will finally be fucking good. I can almost taste it bros.

>>56357965
>amazon and google
>useful
lmao

>>56358193
hope you'll be okay lil bro, when bitcoin hits 3k

>>56358096
>don’t see another bullrun until 2030
yep

the despair when people realize the halving wont pump it. and then the massive miner capitulation once we stay below break even for a long period of time.
nearly all holders will think its over for real

>>56358302
We’re past this cycles bottom anon, you’ll see. I expect a red Q4 but btc won’t go to previous lows

>>56358321
bitcoin has never had "a cycle" it's had 1 bullrun that went from 2009 - 2021 during the most prosperous bullrun civilization has ever seen.

2022 - 2028(maybe 2030) will be bitcoins first bear market.

>>56350641
>biggest mania
nah the tulip thing in the 1600's is still the craziest

>>56353468
>Insults xerself to heckin' own the chuds
You have the lowest IQ of any poster in this thread, and that is fucking saying something, "ma'am"

>>56358096
Honestly, crypto seems to fit more in the “beanie babies” bucket than legitimate financial assets that merely had a bubble. So the odds are imo that it never recovers at all. Bitcoin crabs between $100-$4000 for 20 years before the last miner decides to shut down.

>>56358352
>muh doom and shieet
>its over its over bro

okay chud

>>56358543
Trannies live in your head rent-free. Go watch some dickgirl porn, you obsessed freak.

Significant pain will come for the crypto bull when
>price dumps after the halving
>S&P500 makes a new ATH while Bitcoin goes below $10k
The real kicker will be when “macro” and stocks recover yet crypto stays down. There is this delusion out there among cryptocucks that the only reason their coins are down is interest rates, macro etc. Truth is, the bubble collapsed on its own weight. You know it ran out of buyers when they put up SuperBowl commercials for crypto and the price didn’t go up.

The only counter-argument to the uselessness of crypto was “number to up bro.” Well, what happens when number only goes down. We are about to find out.

>>56357361
I think memecoins are a real miracle, but I can't risk my entire balance on it. I'd rather go for solid altcoins like XTP. The US launch announcement for Tap has already attracted new holders to this token, so just imagine what will happen when it's officially released anon.

>>56350641
I agree and have been saying this for over a year now. All these morons putting their hard-earned savings into alts because "during the next bullrun I will make it like the memes lolz!"

Even in a normal bullrun it's a crapshoot on which alts actually pump. Secondly, we aren't seeing that mania ever again. Crypto is as good as dead, or at least completely stagnant for the time being.

Crypto is the lowest-IQ "investment" you can make in 2023.

>>56350641
Mucho texto, have fun staying poor

>>56359469
That line won’t work this time when we all can see the chart and know it’s you that’s getting poorer by the day.

>>56350922
This

>>56359601
> this time is different

>>56360114
When the masses are convinced of a pattern it stops working. My grandmother told me about the 4 year cycle and the halving.

>>56360199
The pattern was there 3 times already. Rainbow chart was around since the first cycle.

>>56358834
>S&P500 makes a new ATH while Bitcoin goes below $10k
>The real kicker will be when “macro” and stocks recover yet crypto stays down.
You just went full retard. Never go full retard.

>>56360645
But only a few autists on Bitcointalk believed it back then. Now actual niggers are banking on a 4 year cycle…not gonna happen.

>>56360658
Watch. It will happen.
It’s already playing out. FAANG almost at ATH while Ethereum plunges.
There is simply no demand for crypto.

I could try and debate you
*smirk*
but someone as close minded as you are can’t see the woods in the trees
*tilts fedora*
history will show you instead

>>56360645
You're living in a bubble if you think the masses believe in the 4 year cycle. The masses don't touch bitcoin. Of the minority that do gamble in crypto, most don't know what it is. They just buy i
Bitcoin on robinhood or webull or some boomer exchange because it shows up on MSNBC.

>>56360676
No, its more likely that stocks and crypto are both done. Stocks going up and crypto going down is the most delusional take.

>>56360743
46 million Americans own crypto. (13%—hmm what else is also 13% of the population? lol) Something like 95% of millennials own crypto. Just go on social media and search bitcoin. Everyone is bulled up for the guaranteed halving 4yr cycle ETF pump they’re entitled to. Crypto is the most crowded trade on earth, yet perversely most participants believe they are early contrarians or are insiders.

>>56360807
I am open to the scenario of stocks being fucked too. My point is really that it doesn’t matter what stocks do, crypto is fucked either way. The reason for crypto going to zero has nothing to do with stocks. Crypto is just independently shit.

Stocks going up won’t save crypto. There is no reason for crypto to leech off of equity returns. Look at 2015 and 2019. Even during the ZIRP bull market, there were many times crypto failed to catch a bid. It takes a lot for it to go up even during the best of times. So why do you expect it to go up shortly in the aftermath of one of the largest bubbles of human history? After the public got suckered into being victims of the biggest financial crimes since Maddoff (SBF, Do Kwon, Celsius)?

>>56360811
By market cap the entire crypto market is barely larger than tesla.

>>56360876
At the peak it was larger than Tesla.

Market cap has nothing to do with positioning. So if you’re trying to suggest that crypto is not crowded or “early” simply because its market cap is smaller than the largest companies in the world, you’re wrong. The crowd can be excessively long something with a small market cap. See AMC/GME. There are fundamental reasons for the market cap that have nothing to do with positioning.

Microsoft for example produces actual profits, so they can justify a certain valuation based on discounted future cash flow. Crypto produces no profits, actually net drains resources from the world, so the fact that it has any market cap at all is an anomaly.

>>56350641
* yawn *
Ho Hum OP's fud is lame.

>>56360950
Back in my day, when Wall Street gave price targets for crypto, we would fade them. This here is a short signal.

>>56360953
The article is from 2021

>>56350641
I hope you got a good bag of ISO coins. Get ready.

We are finding out that Alameda/FTX/Binance pumped half the fake tether into the markets at the peak. None of that money is coming back in, especially not into alts.

>>56361159
No, we found out that FTX was actively suppressing BTC price and without that we would have seen $100k+

>>56361159
Most of that Tether has been redeemed and exited the system. Every day more and more Tether and USDC get redeemed on net. The army of DCA bagholders cannot stem the tide of the ongoing exodus from crypto.

>>56361159
Im sorry but I think that kind of information was actually known since the beginning of downfall, still there was no tangible evidence to prosecute SBF and other malefactors, for now, its just alt cycle

>>56361236
Jeet or GPT?

>>56360811
The majority of those people probably just bought dogecoin or shib because of Elon Musk.

>>56361470
Kek, I would fucking rather invest in alts which has good potential in the upcoming days for instance RIO, ONE, QANX and TARA
Ai, rwa, post quantum cryptography and blockdag has bright future imo.