/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56324765
Why do people always figure that work is the only thing that can keep away boredom? I feel like it's just boring people who say this. There are lots of better ways to spend your time.

>>56324837
>There are lots of better ways to spend your time.
like what?

>>56324837
The concept of 'work' doesnt mean waging at some company. It means building something that will give value to society and fulfill your appetite while at the same time earning an income.

>>56324837
Humans are beasts of burden. Its simple biology

>>56324882
It's great that so many people were gaslit into thinking that simply enjoying your life is not good enough and you need a "meaning". Keep working guys. It will set you free lmao

>>56324873
use your imagination, here's me:
>more tennis
>golf
>more reading
>more nature
>more vidya
>more cooking
>more travel
>more time with gf
>longevity maxx
>gardening (holy fucking shit do I just want to wake up and sit in my garden with a cup of tea and not have to worry about some bullshit wagie problem or some stupid meeting)
>learn japanese or korean, and move there
and my job is even insanely good by wagie standards (130k full remote)

>>56324923
What you just said makes no sense because enjoying life is a verbal sentence which is an action caused by a meaning.

>>56324873
>like what?
reminding link holders that their token isn't needed, for example

>>56324873
Raise a family, use the extra time to be more involved in their lives and maybe even homeschool them. Volunteer for good causes, learn new skills.

I'm not saying don't be productive but waging is moronic.

>>56324882
This I agree with. But many people espousing this idea decide to keep waging for pay.

>>56324882
in that xeet op posted it definitely meant the cagie because of the healthcare thing

>>56324765
that 2.5 mil in tbills for 5% mixed to 30 years lol is retarded
inflation will destroy you especially over longer timeframes
just what do they think will happen in the next recession to fiats pruchase power

i dont get why anyone ever would go into bonds

>>56324944
Hope your enjoying you're semantic-fu, I don't care to participate

>>56324944
Made perfect sense to me. You might be rarted.

>>56324837
I think work in the Kaczynski sense acheives this, ie something that isn't a surrogate activity. Working on your land, or working socially for example. Most work detracts from quality of life since it is all surrogate activities that stymies autonomy and goals.

>>56324943
when do you think you'll retire? Also full remote 3 years now but making a bit less

>>56325142
probably soft retirement at 1 mil - $300k ETH and $700k worth of real estate rented out, then hang out in SEA or Japan living off the rental income (so a bit frugally but still good for those areas)
would probably keep my job but care less/go down in time while focusing on some side projects that could bring in money

>>56325261
any reason you're banking so hard on ETH instead of BTC or split with LINK/alts?
As for real estate, also planning to get some duplexes and probably settling in rural indonesia with some servants. That way I wouldn't have to go into the clogged polluted streets and I could still just access the beach and travel to places like japan, miami, vegas etc for a few weeks of the year.
Have you tried job stacking? had 3 remote jobs earlier this year but two of them cut me after budget cuts, thinking just going after it again to stack more crypto, although the job market is pure shit right now

>>56325337
>any reason you're banking so hard on ETH instead of BTC or split with LINK/alts?
ETH makes BTC superfluous; literally everything interesting in crypto is ETH adjacent
>As for real estate, also planning to get some duplexes and probably settling in rural indonesia with some servants. That way I wouldn't have to go into the clogged polluted streets and I could still just access the beach and travel to places like japan, miami, vegas etc for a few weeks of the year.
remarkably similar plan lol
>job stacking
nah im kind of a good goy wagie / feel responsible for my work - I wouldn't function well juggling 3 jobs

>>56325436
>ETH makes BTC superfluous; literally everything interesting in crypto is ETH adjacent
Yeah, can't really disagree with that. What do you think of LINK or other alts? I would think 80% ETH 20% LINK probably still stands as a good bet if anything over the next decade.
>nah im kind of a good goy wagie / feel responsible for my work
what kind of job do you do if I may ask? I just do tech support/network engineering and it's mainly tickets through salesforce/JIRA. I have clear KPIs to meet and as long as I get my work done, it seems easy enough to juggle multiple gigs as the schedule doesn't quite matter besides a few meetings. Like I can get the work done early in the morning or weekends and I'm free rest of the day/next day. in the end you're just a line in an excel sheet they're willing to cut at any time, so I don't have any commitment to a company. Pulled this off last year and saved an extra $100k while living out of airbnbs most year in whatever spot I thought would be fun to be at.

>>56325547
no opinion on LINK, seems useful, but have no opinion on it as an investment - ETH is analogous to an index fund because whatever gets built on it (this includes LINK) also increases its value
I'm vaguely interested in SOL but can't buy because my country thinks investing in crypto is a borderline criminal activity, so I just don't actively trade anymore
>what work
fullstack dev
>in the end you're just a line in an excel sheet they're willing to cut at any time, so I don't have any commitment to a company
lol yeah they'd probably cut me too with no remorse, but whatever, they also pay well and they're not a pain in the ass like most employers
I stay useful so they have no reason to let me go; if I had multiple gigs quality would suffer and I'd probably stress about it / maybe lose my job

I am 36 years old and I dropped out of society at 15 and live on autismbux and I personally have found after 21 years of NEET life that there isn’t enough time in the day to do everything I want to do, even after 21 years of being NEET since leaving school

But it is no surprise to me the normie can’t imagine life without spending 80% of their day working a job…

I do sometimes wonder if some people (such as myself) are genetically built to be the “thinker” and “explorer” while the majority of people are genetically built to be the “worker”

I mean shit, I still stay awake these days for more than 24 hours purely because I don’t want to stop doing what I’m doing, and the time goes by so fast. If I had to work I can’t even imagine life to be worth living. I have 1000% more time for hobbies and interests than you workers and yet I still don’t feel like there’s enough time in the day…. How the FUCK do you even get anything done if you have to work? Your life would literally be your job, your every thought would have to be your job, you don’t have time for anything else, and even if you don’t work as much as others, you still have your thoughts bothering you about the next time you have to go work… Wow… I could never do that, impossible

I pity the worker honestly but I do appreciate the autismbux

>>56325657
Oh yeah I am not say everyone should do what I do, in fact I don’t believe that at all, I seriously believe we’re all genetically programmed to be a certain way, and I really do believe the majority of humans are genetically hardwired to be workers, a very small percentage are hardwired warriors, and an even smaller percentage are hardwired as thinkers, creators and leaders, etc but I’d say 95% of people are genetically programmed to be workers

>>56325657
neeting is a different kind of suffering; you are basically soft-capped on what your life could be
if you can live like that I can't blame you, but I'd have an existential crisis knowing I couldn't do the things I want to do - like have kids, a decent home, see the world, etc.

>>56325657
overal based, if i knew back then what i know now would probably make the same choice
>dropped out of society at 15
how did you swing that, at that age they general force you into some form of mass education crapstation

>>56325694
>like have kids, a decent home, see the world
but with the purchase power of most jobs today you will not be able to do those things either
or are you a senior swe at google

>>56325694
Yeh you def ain’t genetically programmed like me then.

I have nieces and nephews, I see what misery and suffering my siblings go through with their families

Kids don’t bring you immortality, what brings you immortality is being remembered, Alexander the Great had no surviving children because they were all killed after his death, so he had no genetic line survive, but he is still remembered thousands of years later.

Your genetic lineage peters out pretty quickly anyway. Of my surviving grandparents I only share 22% of my grandfathers dna and 26% of my grandmothers dna, in another 2 generations my grandparents remaining genetic makeup would barely exist

>>56325644
>if I had multiple gigs quality would suffer and I'd probably stress about it / maybe lose my job
well, it's a price to pay to retire earlier. Suffer upfront like a sprint or stretch it out like a marathon. I do think you could at least get find something fairly easy and just prioritize your main job. If you lose the 2nd job, doesn't matter and worst case you still keep the extra money while you worked. I've accepted jobs and they didn't have me do anything except basic training stuff until the 2nd or 3rd month, literal free money. Like an extra $10-20k+ for the year in savings. That alone beats any effort from side hustles or trading shitcoins all day I've seen. It's just leveraging your bachelors if you have one, job exp, american citizenship - huge competitive advantage over most people.

>>56325747
Cant force someone to do something they don’t want to do, so I just kept neeting

Apparently neeting long enough makes it so the government here suggests you see psychological assessment which was a huge fuck up on their part because the psychologists diagnosed me with autism which meant my NEETBUX effectively doubled and I no longer had to pretend to look for work

>>56325774
no my question was what did you do at 15 to be able to get out, minors dont get autismbux or are allowed to get the fuck out in most places
anyone with a little bit of skill can find out how to get longterm neetbux in adulthood in most welfare nations

>>56325801
21 years ago you could leave school at 15 here without parents permission so long as you told the school you would be undertaking some other kind of pathway but it didn’t require any official forms, just spoke with the principle of the school and made up some stuff

But I was on neetbux 3 years later at 18, and then put on autismbux at 28 or so.

>>56325657
>I personally have found after 21 years of NEET life that there isn’t enough time in the day to do everything I want to do
What do you even spend your day doing besides posting on /biz/? I'm assuming you dump some of those neetbux into crypto as a chance to enjoy the future more?
I probably live pretty similarly to you except I went through college getting a STEM degree and wage slaved a few years before now landing a fully remote job, which affords me to do whatever I want for just a few hours in return of work Mon-Fri.
I hated living with my parents so traditional NEET was not an option and I wasn't aware people could dupe the gov in enough money to live on their own. I'm also maybe more normalfag than you and enjoy banging girls as a hobby and traveling every few months. Most of my hobbies though don't require much money though.

>>56325657
how would you estimate your level of achievement in your chosen pastimes? i've known a handful of lifelong neets and trustfunders and not one of them was elite or truly innovativein their own wheelhouse. on the converse, the most accomplished and original artists i know have worked 2-3 freelance jobs/trades their whole life while raising kids or builiding businesses. i've had a similar ecperience in my life. there's something about the right line of work that feeds into your ability do do stuff you actuallt want to do

>>56324873
Like you need to go back.

>>56324943
>>56324955
Great answers.
>Family
>Community
>Hobbies
It's that simple

>>56325882
>the most accomplished and original artists i know have worked 2-3 freelance jobs/trades their whole life while raising kids or builiding businesses
Did they really make any significant art? All these hustlers/"business owners" I've met are just really good at bamboozling people to think they've accomplished a lot. In reality, they trick people to give them money, hire out stuff to seem important (staged photos, taking credit for art/music, posing with rented sports cars, staging videos in rented mansions while passing as their own, etc). The true most accomplished artists I've seen had rich families and they used every resource at their disposal to make the best art they could, while probably also taking credit for stuff others made. The other forms of artists I've met lived very very poor, like NEETs, but actually devoted all their time to make stuff. People juggling work/businesses/scams in the middle don't actually make anything impressive imo. It's all grift.

>>56325747
I'm kinda doing those things already though
I have *immense* buying power, especially in SEA
>>56325753
nothing to do with legacy lol I just rather be with a high quality partner and raise children in a comfortable place, than be alone and poor in a destitute shithole
>>56325764
I suppose :D I'm fairly far along anyway so not too critical to sprint at this point, I'll probably have the mil by 35 (30 with 600k atm) - already entered "stress less" mode, more travel, time with gf, etc.

>>56325865
>autismbux at 28
how much do you even get in total? i have a brother with autism, i think he only gets $700/month from social security

>>56324765
Idiotic, you could keep doing fun stuff and work on your own garbage while being rich, kek, it's not an excuse, also, the only thing I need is pond to launch something, idc what, but anything

>>56326349
richfags don't think the same way as we do

>>56325872
Literally and unironically our whole generation

>>56326349
What is that fucking hairline jesus christ

>>56326349
such a poor nigger build

>>56324765
People are paying monthly to this literal nobody for his stupid bullshit? Is it really this easy to larp and get a following?

>>56326449
this account has been posting bs for a decade straight and apparently it's between numerous people, so wouldn't recommend it unless you thrive off clout

>>56326466
yeah I don't have the patience for that kind of shit because i'm not a deadbeat loser

>just accumulate 5m net worth its so easy bro
If you're able to do this before you retire you got lucky I'm only at 0.5M at 30 working my ass off with a stem degree and all other job options seem bleak. I am the most frugal person I know so it's not my spending causing the problem. Jobs that require a PhD and 10+ years experience in my field advertise 100-125k salary.

>>56324943
all of those things are fun because you don't get to do them while working. People need some sort of purpose and just doing hobbies all day will get boring after a while and make you depressed. i know from experience.

>>56326536
these people would probably say you need to risk as much money as you can to build a high risk business, which as you mentioned requires luck. Without luck, retiring early requires STEM, living frugal and ~2 decades of saving and even then, it's probably lean FIRE

>>56325657
Correct anon. I've not worked in a few years and I feel exactly the same. I can't imagine to ever go to work again. A lot of my friends can take a week or two off work and go crazy due to boredom within that time.

>>56325694
NEET is also a mindset. Rich or poor.

>>56325882
This is the worst mindset. Watching people at the pinnacle of whatever 'achievement' and thinking you need to be that. You can go for a swim and not need to think about your performance. You can go for a bike ride and not need to worry about the latest carbon fibre bits. There's way too many genetic outliers to compare yourself to and there's way too much focus about this constant hussle or grind mentality. It's a sickness. Let it go. What's wrong with being a dilettante. Just enjoying things as you see them. Everyone's trying to sell you something always... You know what how about I don't fucking need any of it.

>>56324837
Retired 3 years now at 35. My body is falling apart from all the videogames, porn, sitting around.
I used to be active, weirdly I work out much less since retirement. You think your hobbies will endure, 36 months latter I can tell you I seriously doubt it.

>>56326653
> Watching people at the pinnacle of whatever 'achievement' and thinking you need to be that.
I think people just want to work because they like the feeling of progressing in life, but I entirely agree with a taoist mentality of enjoying the present and just working on whatever you naturally gravitate towards

>>56324837
>>56324765
If I spent my teens and 20s either working or generally not having a life, then in my 30s I became a richionaire like this guy suggests, I sure as fuck wouldn't spend the next 30 years not having a life and waging for shekelstein "to not be bored".

>>56324765
>bro just have $5million in assets and a job 50-100k per year job minimum its easy

>>56325657
larp

>>56324837
>There are lots of better ways to spend your time.
Like coooming inside whores
Playing videogames
Hitting the gym and traveling

I don't need anything else
besides giving my parents whatever they want because i love them

>>56324837
i haven't worked for 3 years, if i was working i would be more frustrated probably

>>56326694
>My body is falling apart from all the videogames, porn, sitting around.
I used to be active, weirdly I work out much less since retirement.
If you're conscious about this, why not tone down the passive bullshit and do something active?
>>56327102
>I don't need anything else
Yeah not bad but seems most would eventually fall to depression in this path

>>56327125
hey lazybones how about you stop wasting away your life like a worthless worm put down the video games and the porn and do something productive for once in your life get off your ass and get outside and do some exercise you fat slob

>just volunteer 4 hours per month to make an extra 60-100k per year bro
Kek internet richfags really are radically disconnected from reality

These bowtiedfaggots are so full of shit. There is one, maybe bowtiedmahi that posts nonstop BOUT TO HIT 2 MILLION REVENUE THIS YEAR BRO when he posted how he got his start, surprise, loan from a rich family member who also gave him a free apartment to live in. But no, it was because he le knew from a young age he needed to HUSTLE. Fucking faggots full of shit. Arbitrageandy too. Steals half his content from here and posts the most dumbest fucking gayest takes. Fags the lot

>>56327102
Dude, what he means when he says better ways to spend your time he refers to actual practical and enjoyable ways to make money that don't require you to suffer brain damage or fry your insides to make a penny. IE; if you go to most crypto gambling pages and read a non toxic non fungible tokenomic you will most likely stumble upon a gold mine. Take for example duck race derby, you buy your pond, get your duck, let it race, boom, pasive income. I've been neeting like this for three months already and it requires only to check on a few things per day to make sure you're actually on the race.
Imagine flipping burgers for half a day for the same money

>>56326957
literal worker scum seething
Go make me some tendies

>>56327355
you tellin me what to do is makin me want to punch you right in the f-ckin mouth

>>56327729
listen here if you don't shut your mouth i will rip your f-ckin head off and shove it right up your ass and let it sit till it dissolves now do you understand you f-ckin idiot

>>56326694
I can accept that some people need forced structure in their lives to not turn into a degen because they can't use their willpower to control themselves. That's fine and sure, find someone to force you into better habits

What's ridiculous is the projection that everyone else will decay just because they did. Some of us can avoid that and still be OK with time on our hands.

>>56324765
>Only wagies get healthcare in America

>>56328152
hell no everyone gets healthcare in america

it's called the affordable care act or are you some kind of conspiracy theorist who's afraid of everything

>>56328295
i'm sorry but i'm not a stupid liberal i think that healthcare is a privilege and not a right i'll stick with trump thank you very much

>>56325694
You can make money NEETING without being a wagie, I've never had a job and done all this. It's not that I'm against working, it's just that I'm smart enough to make more money by myself and instead have a fuckload of free time to cultive skills and stuff I'm interested in. I know how to do 3d modelling, 3d painting, zbrush sculpting, animating, photoshop advanced user, graphic design, stable diffusion advanced user, java and python basic programming, web dev, pen testing, soc analyst stuff, reverse engineer anything, social media manager, excel stuff, customer service, helped an internet friend start his business and helped him take off into a 7 fig income business (was thankless other than some money so not doing it again), did pilot school flying a cessna, travelled to most places worth visiting. Also did my fair share of rotting, jerking off and just playing video games while figuring stuff out. It's kind of amazing how much stuff you can learn when you're not stuck waging.

>>56328639
I've been doing computer stuff since I was like 14, just never got a job after college since I had enough money to do whatever by then.

>>56328483
i'm not a stupid conservative either i think that everyone should be able to go to a doctor if they need to and that's why we need free healthcare trump is a dumb ass who doesn't care about poor people and neither do you

>>56328639
I get that you are probably hardcore embellishing your life story here, but even if I believe you, this is not neeting

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>>56325033
kascynskian surrogate activity is a totally materialist perspective. its basically wrong if you believe in literally any higher order behaviour

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>>56324873
Go to the gym, get muscular - literally a process that takes forever all day
Build a car
Go hunting
Go to the range
Have a spa day
Train a martial art
You know things that are valuable to you not that make you valuable to your kike overlord

>>56325694
Not really. No one can afford a decent home these days, even 6 figure wagies (there ain't that many) have mediocre houses, I'm I "crypto millionaire" and my neighbors that are wagies have better houses than my, granted they've been wagies for 30 years, they're all mediocre houses tho. You see all the niggers having a bunch of kids, you don't need money for that. I hsve a kid because it's what you're supposed to do, from evolutionary psychological perspective. Doesn't bring me any joy if anything it's a pain if I'm to be honest. Love my kid but still honestly wish I waited 10 years. Travel is the gayest female boomer onions latte drinking pastry eating cuck shit, saying you want to travel makes me want to hit the glass barbie do some ice then inject 3 grams of tren and shadow box without eating for a month. Gay ass feminine social media activity for people who think consuming is a talent because they're shit at everything else and have nothing to share on their gay social media besides sipping coffee in some shithole wanderlusting like a bitch. 2past

>>56330764
Cont. You're not going to have the house you invision if you wage. You need lots of money for a nice house, even then most people don't even own their mediocre houses which is depressing. Me and my wife own, but people always ask me why don't I take better care of it, why aren't I proud etc. It's an avg house, yes it costs a lot but honestly this isn't even the house I invisioned my parents to have let alone me. Why would I be proud of it? It's a stepping stone, honestly in this country I'd only be proud of a house that's like 10mil... Which is unattainable to me and most people unfortunately, but thsts what it takes to have a nice house now.

>>56330784
Cont2. Essentially in my opinion use your freedom to build yourself. It's easier to be extraordinary in other disciplines besides money because people have neglected them. Be comfy and focus on somth else instead of chasing the almighty dollar

>Make enough money to be set for life
>Work anyway
I get the whole wanting to stay busy and meeting people thing but I feel like you might be better served volunteering or taking a risk on doing your own thing. I just can't imagine having $5mil liquid and taking shit from some diversity hire who loves to micromanage.
I'd wait until the boredom set in first and then re-evaluate.
>>56330716
>literally a process that takes all day
>Mike Mentzer has entered the chat

>>56325337
Tell me about your job stacking anon. I want to get in to that myself. I feel like data science is a solid bet. Currently have 0 jobs btw.

>>56333093
it was far easier in 2020-2022 and i have never tried data science but i'm sure it would work well if it's remote. Maybe other anons can chime in

>>56324765
>You would get bored doing nothing for 30 years.
Nope.

>>56326694
Hit the gym, get a new hobby, and get laid. You're retired ffs.

>>56325644
It's painfully obvious you don't have a strong grasp of smartcontracts and the problems they face. In other words, lurk more faggot.

>>56330983
Eating properly and sleep not the lifting