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buy the dip

Imagine believing that living on around $25k per year was impossible. I don't even know what you retards are spending your money on.

imagine posting with a tripcode that you dont pay your taxes or willingly participated in PPP fraud

>>56286387
My spending is 16k a year

Everything is literally fine

>>56286387
I pay more in taxes then that per year

>>56286420
And you still can't use proper grammar

>>56286407
Yeah I probably spend 12k per year on rent/utilities/etc

>>56286427
Like I give a fuck about grammar nigga

>>56286404
I'm still not thrilled about the whole "anyone being a bear is a foreign agent" angle that popped up late last thread because it's just wrong, but after what I saw last thread it's hard to argue against. Even if I am a bear.

>>56286387
>I don't even know what you retards are spending your money on.
My rent alone is ~$40,000 yearly.

>>56286442
It's pretty hard to deny. There is absolutely foreign influence here.

>>56286442
Probably not thrilled about it because youre a foreign agent, got to add all bears to the terrorist watch list along with the magatards.

>>56286455
What the fuck are you spending $3.3k per month on and where? As a single person?

>>56286442
>Bears are foreign agents
>Bulls are sociopaths looking for exit liquidity
You can only trust crabs

what the fuck?

>>56286456
I mean yeah and it's been getting worse lately when it's normally just clickfarms pushing the opposite of some institutional position. Just weird being called a foreigner for not thinking everything is fine but I get it if a lot of people saying the same are actually bad actors.
>>56286470
The crab is very honest about everyone being fucked besides them I will give that chitinous bastard that.

>>56286480
They are losing control. Oil is peaking and inflation has stopped. that means its over. America won. We can almost go back to sanity again.

my stocks aren't recov'ring
it's just dead cat bounces
this bleach looks delicious
i'll start with eight ounces

>>56286471
>As public figures breathe new life into ancient stereotypes and hate metastasizes unchecked across social media, it seems clear that we live in a world in great need of a 10-foot-tall Jewish crisis monster
You scared yet neo-nazis, cause you better be, the golem is coming for you

>>56286482
I still love this country but they sure took this one down to the wire, here's hoping shit changes on the other side so money isn't funni anymore. It's the single only reason why I start being bearish as I'm otherwise a bull.

>>56286471
>>56286496
is this just word salad or is there actual meaning behind it?

>>56286313
>raleigh
you linked a picture for 1400$ apartments, but in this post you said it was a 2 story standalone house >>56286204

so which one is it? an apartment is much different than a 2 story house

>>56286442
>I'm still not thrilled about the whole "anyone being a bear is a foreign agent" angle that popped up late last thread because it's just wrong, but after what I saw last thread it's hard to argue against. Even if I am a bear.
there are plenty of economically-educated americans who realize shit's fucked

>>56286508
You got influenced by the bots my man. I'm sorry. A lot of people did, myself included. But I am so glad I finally saw through the bullshit.

>>56286516
I wasnt the OP I was just showing you an example of 1400$ apartments.
>there are plenty of economically-educated americans who realize shit's fucked
again, influenced by russian bots or fox (russian) news. its ok. Donald Trump is not a god, there is only one God.

>>56286346
>>56286387
>>56286404
>>56286409
>>56286427
>>56286442
>>56286456
>>56286465
>>56286480
>>56286482
>>56286518
>this level of shilling
Be honest, how terrified are you guys right now?

>>56286510
The whole article is basically "we've got to stand up to the ebil Nazis"

>>56286531
Not terrified at all. I'm all in on christmas calls, Ivan.

>>56286516
>cute br.webm
instamarry if anal on the first date

>>56286542
Based, spy 500 by Christmas

>>56286542
Post your calls with timestamp and hand, you fucking liar.

>>56286510
I just think it is funny how certain people obviously read the most retarded stereotypes about themselves and then proceed to act on them

>>56286518
Yeah that's the thing though, I knew they were bots the entire time. But when it's a shitload of bots saying shit's fucked and then you actually do go look and it's not that bad but isn't great either, you tend to listen. I'm glad things are going to be okay and knew they always would be but I'm not blaming anyone let alone myself for being wigged out when words are getting redefined on the fly to act like a recession isn't a recession.

this thread is totally organic

>>56286531
Tuesday was Despair, or maybe Bear Trap
No I am not taking my meds

>>56286555
you have to realize that you bring your own reality into existance. if you believe that shit is fucked, then it will be. but if you don't then it wont. Its literally your world.

>>56286560
agreed

>>56286570
Based and quantum pilled

>>56286570
Then I'm glad I kept the faith but holy fuck do I loathe the political machine and that shit needs to change yesterday.

>>56286531
They try to distract from pic related and the bond market blowing up

like seriously.
this is aggressive. but it's clearly autists trying to move bags..

so they must be worth only a tiny amount.. to try and drive liquidity from here is a desperate play..
all the meme magicians bailed out my guys. its only turbo schizos left.

>The US economy is in for rollercoaster inflation and could be headed for an ultra-rare 'full employment recession,' BlackRock, $BLK, has said

hahahahhahahahahaha please let 2024 be the GFC 2.0 sequel we've been waiting for!

>>56286341
Anyone knows how I can get intraday days either through a website or API or something?

>>56286570
>We are the priests of power,' he said. 'God is power. But at present power is only a word so far as you are concerned. It is time for you to gather some idea of what power means. The first thing you must realize is that power is collective. The individual only has power in so far as he ceases to be an individual. You know the Party slogan: "Freedom is Slavery". Has it ever occurred to you that it is reversible? Slavery is freedom. Alone -- free -- the human being is always defeated. It must be so, because every human being is doomed to die, which is the greatest of all failures. But if he can make complete, utter submission, if he can escape from his identity, if he can merge himself in the Party so that he is the Party, then he is all-powerful and immortal. The second thing for you to realize is that power is power over human beings. Over the body but, above all, over the mind. Power over matter -- external reality, as you would call it -- is not important. Already our control over matter is absolute.'

>For a moment Winston ignored the dial. He made a violent effort to raise himself into a sitting position, and merely succeeded in wrenching his body painfully.

>'But how can you control matter?' he burst out. 'You don't even control the climate or the law of gravity. And there are disease, pain, death-'

>O'Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. 'We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation -- anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.'

>>56286570
>all the passengers on the lower decks of the titanic were permadoomers

>>56286570
people with no trials tend to find comfort in saying that.
but as true as the concept is. it also works against itself.

if you didnt actually believe things were fucked(could be better) then you wouldn't try and make them better.

>>56286613
MV Sewol*

>>56286596
look, if you could bid WTI back up to 90+ that would be great

>>56286605
>days
Data

>>56286596
>only turbo schizos left.
Hello!

>>56286588
>>56286594
>>56286613
dont listen to the doubters, they are basically demons or posessed. the faith is all that matters. thats why people say buy low sell high. Well its pretty low right now. so buy it.

>>56286639
You nayyoing shithead, even Warren Buffet is in record amounts of cash

Kek typical year: $19,500.00. For mandatory things. Another 6,240.00 gets punted for debt payments. But starting in 2026 all the debt payment money starts staying in the bank.

>>56286602
>full employment recession
this was obvious from a mile a way considering how labor costs were inflated away by at least 50% and the growing number of NEETs

>>56286649
*annoying

>>56286649
He's also been buying a shit ton of NVDA lol

>>56286649
he also HAS record amounts of cash.
>>56286618
i used to be on here trying to score a big haul but now I realized that itll come, I just have to have faith in the system. im now just on here trying to lead some of the lost souls away from fucking themselves over for life.

>>56286673
>he also HAS record amounts of cash.
Thats what I said, you retard

>>56286639
>>56286673
getting strong putsrnotdawae/bullsrthegoodguys vibes from that guy

>>56286667
Bullshit

>>56286681
no you said he is IN record amounts of cash. its not the same thing.

>>56286692
And there is a reason for why he has records amounts of cash. Because everything is expensive.

>>56286387
I spend ~$100/day on bars, restaurants, and takeout.

>>56286632
>please, speak as you might to a young child
>three ways to make a living
>it wasn't brains that got me here

>>56286531
Were pretty much at the “return to mean” though so ?

>>56286710
ok but you realize he can still also have records amount of investments, they arent mutually excusive. lol. he's loaded, so anything he has is 'record amounts'. you fell for a news line, retard.

>>56286673
don't do that.
just put more focus on securing your own wealth.
frankly you don't have expert enough opinions to offer financial advice.. even if you did, this isnt the place for people to respect the advice.
its a basket weavers forum.

>>56286660
Apparently this 'full employment recession' is considered to be a real bad fucking nightmare scenario for stocks.

Wonder how much more the stock market will dump because of this shit?

>>56286714

>>56286725
Are capable of doing anything besides spreading lies?

>>56286735
im not offering financial advice, im just revealing bot behavior and saying hey this looks more logical why are all the bots shilling oil when it looks like its topped

>>56286733
Bullshit

>Waren Buffet sold $13 billion in stock in the second quarter while buying less than $5 billion
>But what does it say for the future when a knowledgeable investor like Buffett is bolstering his company’s cash reserves? “When a recession is right around the corner, Buffett knows that cash is king, particularly when he can earn a decent rate of interest on it,” Steve H. Hanke, a professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren-buffett-sells-8-billion-190940745.html

Sold all my stocks and bought powerball tickets. Saved enough only for some rope.

>>56286725
Are you capable of doing anything besides spreading lies?

>>56286765
>sold 13 billion
>bought 5 billion
>kept his other 200billion
kek you got meme'd retard.

>>56286772
>greece bonds is the same as the sp500
lol, lmao even

>>56286789
they really arent sending their best (russian agents)

>>56286774
That means he sold more than he bought, because stocks are exepensive. Thats where his record amounts of cash came from.
Youre the retard

>>56286797
he still owns a ton of stocks, you moron. Stocks are going up while you are reading about le big crash.

>>56286733
Uh the dude's 92. Honestly he really shouldn't give a fuck anymore. Why would you if you had his money. Consider; Rakes in 400 million a year from the KO divvy income alone. I'd just kick back and enjoy the piles of money all around me and having my cock serviced by the 18 year old girl in the nurse's uniform.

>>56286789
>>56286790
Greece had lower debt to GDP in 2009 than we do today, and higher tax revenue as a share of GDP. They also had access to EU bailout funds. Now US treasury bonds are following the same pattern that Greek bonds did during their sovereign debt crisis. It's OVER.

>>56286743
We are selling to willing buyers are the current market prices.

I stopped by just to say that I fucking hate nerds
Holy shit man

>>56286801
Maybe you should try to convince Buffet to buy something with his records amounts of cash.
Because everyone can se that stocks are expensive. Maybe you have a problem, not everyone else?
Have you considered that?

WHERE THE FUCK IS ERIC DALE

>>56286762
i get it. im just saying for how much it's heeded by those youre talking to. you would be better of retaining that effort for selfish purposes.

this thing is what it is now. the kekistanis all sought asylum elsewhere ironically.

>>56286811
but what about poland?

This thread is overrun with seething vatnigger bobos. I wonder how much money these "people" have lost shorting in the last few years lmao.

>>56286811
>some tiny, irrelevant, corrupt backwater country is the same as the worlds sole superpower and world reserve currency but it’s going to fail before countries that have higher debt to gdp ratios and are neither because i said so thats why
lol, lmao even. Call me a few years after japan or italy collapse

>>56286341
SPOOK STREET

>84% Of CEOs Expect A Recession In 2024

LETS FUCKING GGGOOOOOOOOO

>>56286832
oh I truly do get some selfish gain out of it. you just recognize what the bots are pushing and inverse it.
>>56286825
you just dont understand what im implying.
>he bought some stocks
>he sold some stocks
>he still owns a lot of stocks
either way if he was expecting a recession dont you think he would liquidate berkshire? Critical thinking much?
>>56286811
How many fucking Aircraft Carriers does Greece have?

>>56286345
Powell w-won't really hike again, will he?

>>56286849
>>56286858
Okay, keep repeating that to yourself as the yield curve continues to blow out.

I am struggling to pay debts and this feels so fucking bad.

>>56286387
My child support is close to $24k a year post tax money
Don’t get married bros

>>56286828

bros I finally transferred my HSA to fidelity. No more paying fees to the healthequity jew. I feel like a new man

>>56286866
His next presser is on Dia de los Muertos.

>>56286828
>Do you know I moderated an imageboard once?
Sorry?
>A board.
No, I didn't know that.
>I was a janitor by trade. Mmhmm.
>It went from Page 1 of /3/ to Page 10 of /xs/. It spanned nine hundred and twelve pages across the catalog. 12,100 people used this thing a day.
>And it wasted thirty-five minutes of time each day between people taking a shit and crossposting to reddit.
>That's a combined 847,000 minutes of posting. A day. Or 25,410,000 minutes a month. And 304,920,000 minutes a year. Wasted.
>Now I moderated that board starting in 2006, that's seventeen years ago. So over the life of that one board, that's 5,183,640,000 minutes that were completely useless. At, what, let's say fifty IQ points a poster? So that's, what, that's uh... 4,319,700,000 IQ-hours, or 179,987,500 days. So that one little site has cost the people of those boards a combined 3,287 years of Einstein level thinking, wasted checking dubs.
>Three thousand two hundred and eighty seven years.

>>56286870
You're eating more than just rice and beans, aren't you, anon?

Recessions are a meme. They last like 1-1.5 years. It's been over 3 years since COVID, to give you perspective. By the time the market has priced it in, it's already over.

>>56286892
they have also been shorter and shorter due to the monetary cycle. fibonacci numbers baby.

>>56286873
how many kids?

>>56286891
Yeah and been trying to buy a house where bills keep rolling in and I was expecting to have the refinance done so I could pay those bills for foundation repair, backed taxes, etc. No refinance still and I am just broker than I should be.

Is uranium anon which has been buying gold miners here? I have a strongly worded letter I want to deliver to him

>futures

>>56286870
What kind of debts?

>>56286892
>>56286902
>Okay, so what if I was wrong there is a recession after all?? Here's why that's actually a good thing!
These narratives are changing so fast I can hardly keep up.

>>56286882
You know, I'm starting to feel better about this whole thing.

>Credit Card Spending Unexpectedly Cratered In September


LMAO imagine how fucking massive that credit debt bubble is right now, shit like student loans and car delinquencies is gonna make that fucker explode louder than Krakatoa

>>56286868
oh wow, its so so bad

>>56286932
nothing will happen, it never does. The doomers are so high on their own farts

>futures

>>56286711
Based. Frugalism is for poors.

Money facilitates spontaneity.
Be spontaneous.

>>56286858
warren is holding historic levels of cash. he's buying back his shares slower than normal too.

would he liquidate berkeshire? no.he's got permission to aquire occidental up to 50% and they havent added the profits to the books yet, only the divs.

that and he owns the second largest insurer in the US and is sitting on around 150b in cash and bonds.

just sold another half b in HP.
homies hedged. but hes still in the markets. he wins either way.
Is he going to hedge. yes.

can he basically withdraw from the market

>>56286902
I just want to see something happen that actually firmly blows the bear thesis out of the water, if this all ends up just being a giant bear trap I'm going to laugh really hard. I longed volatility to short the market rather than specific tickers and that's hedged.

>>56286933
You're so close, you almost have it. Now post the chart of debt as a share of GDP next to the chart with yields.

>>56286920
Oh no... I think his posts got jumbled in transit. He said he was *shorting* uranium to buy gold miner *puts*. What a mixup!

Oil shills in my twitter feed talk about "holy grail" trade and to get back in. Is there anything to it? They started shilling oil at the end of May this year so they are not permaretards or anything.

>>56286929
sarcasm doesnt invalidate facts, retard.
>>56286946
you are poor and will always be poor with that mindset. go ahead, stay out of the market for all I care.

>>56286905
12 by my math

>>56286957
Nuh-uh must be different anon. Uranium anon wouldn't be duplicitous like this now, would he?

>>56286964
Post the debt to GDP ratio chart. I dare you. No, I double-dare you, motherfucker.

>>56286953
Oil dumping blows the bear thesis out of the water. There's a reason why the bots are all pushing oil. Treasury yields are up because countries are selling treasuries to buy oil. now that oil has broken, that will reverse. no recession.

>>56286927
Had taken a bridge loan from Sofi for 8k with a 365 monthly payment, I have backed taxes where I pay IRS 110 a month. About 1k on credit cards, 2k in lawyer bills from a property still not fucking sold, and another 1k owed related to an estate. In addition the house now needs another oil delivery.. but the boiler is shit and needs replacing. So its 1200 for an oil delivery or 10k to replace it.

This all was supposed to get rolled up into the refinance so I only had one bill I was paying.

>>56286973
Commodities, and especially energy, always dump during a depression.

>>56286962
Maybe. Probably not. I am in it. That is why I know it isn't happening and more pain is ahead.

>>56286964
work on that comprehension anon. dont let emotions get the best of you

>>56286954
So spooky
>meanwhile japan has 2x usa debt to grp and negative growth for 4 decades and is chugging along but the usa is going to collapse tomorrow
i really cant tell if you are retarded or just pretending to be

>>56286978
there will be no depression. we are exactly where we need to be.
>>56286984
kek.

Here's natgas chart from March last year. Compare with uranium chart right now. What's the lesson to be had here?

>>56286985
>>56286987
Both of you deliberately fucked with the x axis because you know it invalidates your argument. Fucking dishonest pieces of shit.

>>56286345
thank you for posting this image, i made it last year but didn't save it. also i sold naked spy calls expiring tomorrow to get a free chuck roast so expect the rally to continue

>>56286387
1bd apartments cost $2k/m, you dumb fucking nigger faggot

>>56286490
bretty good

The market will bounce back, it has good fundamentals.

>>56286991
Thats the max the chart will go, sorry that you wrong. The usa is booming and this small correction happens once a year or so. The value of all the 500 largest companies in the usa isnt going to go to 10% of what it is now even it the government completely collapsed haha

>>56286387
>>56286407
>>56286420
>>56286455
>>56286711
>>56286873
>>56286996

>>56286973
>oil vs paper
pottery so it must be true

>>56286991
Isnt the favorite thing for bears to say
>zoom out
LOL?

>>56286985
Anon, the last disruptive Japanese crashed planes into the Pacific.

Meanwhile in the US, congressmen are being carjacked. And this is during boom times. What do you think happens when a recession hits, EBT cards fail to swipe due to a shutdown, or an Antifa's grandma is thrown on the street due to social security cuts?

>>56286766
checked. based.

>>56287025
Imagine posting shit like this in /smg/.

>>56287032
>>56287051
Both of you are deliberately trying to obscure the fact that the current record high debt to GDP ratio, at these rapidly exploding interest rates, is about to overtake tax revenues. When that happens it's called a sovereign debt crisis. Even though Greece got bailed out of their sovereign debt crisis, they still reverted to developing country status and their stock market dropped 95% without recovering. The problem is, there is nobody to bail out the US government.

>>56286974
That's tough. Have you learned any lessons worth sharing here?

>>56287078
>The US would ever actually have a sovereign debt crisis as long as the dollar is the global reserve currency and based on "fuck you"
lmao

>>56287078
>rapidly exploding interest rates
hyperbolic bullshit
>Greece
insignificant
>nobody to bail out the US government
shut the fuck up shill

>>56287072
The us president had the highest death rate on the job of an career in history, a congressman being carjacked in the hood is a nothing burger, ebt doesnt stop in a shutdown, social security cuts have never been talkef about with any seriousness because the elderly are the largest voting block. Yawn. Is this all you got for your big collapse? Better close those shorts now before you lose the last $50 in your robinhood account scrub

>>56287078
Amiguses
I
Love anime girls

And oil

>>56287078
The only reason its going to "Overtake tax revenues" is because pieces of shit like you arent paying their taxes.
Thats why the IRS is coming for your ass.

>>56287084
>>56287086
Earlier this year you also said it was no big deal that everyone is dropping the dollar as a reserve currency. Now the yield curve is blowing out because everyone is dropping their worthless US treasury bonds. Which one is it?

>>56287078
>current record high
yawn; again japan is twice as high and is a shrinking country and has been for 40 years. Until they collapse, you can start the clock for the usa to sometime 40 years later

>>56287084
Yes, anon, we can enforce the rules of global trade as long as we have 11 functional carrier strike groups roaming the seas. Now I want you to think very, very hard about who we are putting in charge of those. And who operates them.

>>56287101
when did I say that? whos dropping the dollar as a reserve currency? You are revealing yourself as a shill more and more.

>>56287096
>>56287099
The US government is insolvent and you're about to lose your job.

Glowies in full effect.
>Guys, can we please just listen to Mr. Fink and pretend there's no recession?

>>56287078
>record high debt to GDP ratio
doesn't actually matter
>rapidly exploding interest rates
taking it to 5% for a couple years is far from insane, it should be much higher but can't be because it cranks up yields into untenable territory
>is about to overtake tax revenues
Payments are at about 10% of GDP right now and look like they're going to peak at about 11% before coming back down to a much more manageable 7-8%
>when that happens it's called a sovereign debt crisis
The US is not greece
>there is nobody to bail out the US government
everyone holding our bonds already did it for us in return for a few points guaranteed

The only way the market actually crashes is if oil rips, which I had previously thought it would but now looks like a bear trap. If oil shits the bed then the US gets off the hook entirely and the glowie is correct, and there is time yet for oil to shit the bed. If it's not cresting 100$ and still climbing before the year is out then the bears are all dead.

>>56287111
I do it for absolutely free, Ivan. And I will continue to do it for free.

short all oil and retail stocks

>>56287101
>everyone is dropping the dollar as a reserve currency
Something that literally did not happen

>>56287104
>>56287110
>>56287115
>>56287119
Japan is currently dumping US treasuries to keep their interest rates low and prevent the yen from hyperinflating. They're already collapsing and now the contagion is spreading to the house of cards that is the US Treasury. The harder you shill against this, the more obvious it is that everything is fucked.

>>56287134
>japan isn't a US ally
Reaching hard

>>56287133
BRICS Bullshit.
>>56287134
>dumping treasuries
>dumping dollar as reserve currency
anon, these are not the same thing.

>>56287094
Every society has wackjobs that go for presidents and PMs. Dysfunctional societies have carjackings in the legislator district of their capital city.

As for food stamps, they absolutely do stop during prolonged shutdowns: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/27/food-stamps-wic-snap-government-shutdown/

Meanwhile the cuts to food stamps and social security aren't going to be in nominal terms. They'll be in real terms, but people will cut back on their groceries and face eviction all the same. That's how inflationary debt crises play out every single time.

>>56287111
Okay
But usually these things play out over a year or two so I'm very skeptical of your "it goes to zero tomorrow" posting.

>>56287134
Cool, i guess the usa will collapse in 40 years then if we don’t manage to learn from japan and make changes, ill be short to short from here to collect in 2063

>>56287142
Shutdown has been averted though. Wholly and completely.

>>56287145
True. We are just getting warmed up. Depending on what oil does from here, we could have years or we could have months before money printing starts back up for the last time.

>>56287139
Keep projecting, you literal government shill.

>>56287141
>>56287145
All your shilling has done is reassure me that the system is irrevocably fucked and at this point the government just wants it collapse with as little colateral damage to themselves as possible.

>>56287152
...for 45 days. And if you think Congress will become *more* harmonious over the next year, I have an empty EBT card to sell you.

>>56286525
>anything that calls bullshit on the american stock market is a foreign shill
do you really think this gaslighting technique will work? lol you're supposed to be 18 to post here

>>56287142
Costco released they quarterly report and said inflation on products was 3-4% but they expect it to drop to 1-2% in q4. 5 central bankers said that rates dont need to go any higher and one said they could see a cut this year. The fed won, inflation is fixed, the government shuts down every couple of years and nothing ever happens

stop increasing rates please my stocks are dumping and my bonds are also dumping...

>>56287160
>>56287168
buddy, you need to take a step back and realize that you are either a russian agent or you have been mind controlled to hate your own coountry by the KGB.

my currency is dumping because apparently "dollar is stronger than ever". huh? how? why can the USA do whatever the fuck they want and stil lcome out as the strongest anyway? fuck off

huh. and i'm the one being accused of being a shill

lol they arent sending their best

>>56287177
Just like how Joe and Hunter Biden accepting foreign bribes was totally muh """"""Russian Disinformation""""""", right? You're so fucking corrupt. I can't wait until the new house speaker rips your agency a new asshole.

>>56287189
mmhmm. thats the only defense they have

So you have outperformed the SP 500 over the past 10 years right? Right?

Alright I'm going to bed you guys better not be schizo in the morning.

>>56287172
imagine being this gullible. yikes

>>56287186
Liquidity crunchm

>>56287172
1-2% on a subset of goods inflation for one quarter is not good enough, champ. You need that across the board, from wages to gasoline to housing, for multiple quarters.

We don't have that. And that means soon we won't just have our bond yields pushed up by Japanese market selling, but also by rising inflation expectations that start getting embedded in our debt. That's game.

>>56286387
Who are you? Ted Kaczynski?

/smgay/ will just take the bait no matter the quality

>>56287186
Currencies always go up and down relative to each other. Just wait, USD will get weaker again.
Also, a strong currency isn't necessarily good for that country. With a strong dollar, for example, US exports are less competitive.

>>56287186
Your central bank is free to hike as much or, heck, even more than the Fed. But if they're pussies, or debt-laden spendthrifts, or care more about boomer house prices, they won't. Sorry. Sucks to suck.

>>56287160
Not every person in the universe is a government agent assigned to monitor your stock portfolio. Just because you have an IRS agent making sure you don't sell too soon doesn't mean all of us are, okay? Some of us are probably just ATF, FBI guys and US marshals shooting the shit.

>>56287223
You already lost, and shilling here won't change that.

>>56287202
You must be 15, prices always go up, thats a sign of a healthy economy, 2% inflation. A big mac was $3 in 1990 but the average salary was just $30k, a big mac is now $7.75 and the average salary is $77k

Niggers itt think oil dumping to support at 84 is some sign of an impending recession. Did you ever think there will be news out next week Saudis or someone else was dumping oil secretly to stop demand destruction/crash.. bonds rally and stocks rally on cooling econ data? Bros it's always rigged, you KNOW this

I don't like it when /smg/ gets hostile...

>>56287237
It's pretty spicy tonight. That's what happens when bears are obnoxious for a year and a half, reality sets in and they lash out.

>>56287223
I'm just your friendly neighborhood glownigger shilling TLT to help retarded maga doomers pay their taxes that theyve been delinquent on.

>>56287233
Based Economist reader.

>>56287215
lol, lmao even. Refer back to the charts, by your metrics things should have crashed jn the 80s when yields were 18%, 5% is nothing, its not even the 50 year average. But sure, short if you want, when you get squeezed, ill take your lunch money into my 401k

>>56287239
How's this chart of SPY and QQQ for a dose of reality?

>>56287237
its not. theres just one person here hitting up the jannies and making the thread seem.. more biased than normal

What business can i make with 50k. I'm tired of working and gambling.

>>56287253
>>56287253
like this 1 PBTID fuckface

>>56287233
>price always go up
who is 15?

>>56287253
2022 was the crash and we're unironically in "bear trap"

>>56287268
You if you think we need to return to 2019 big mac prices or the country is going to collapse

>>56287267
So you mean the dollar is going to zero?

>>56287273
Lying is a sin.

>>56287278
>So you mean the dollar is going to zero?
>Lying is a sin.
mmhmm tell me more

>>56287285
You drew in a chart of what the stock market could only look like if the dollar were to suddenly become worthless. Freudian slip?

>>56287258
>being a small business owner in 2023
lol good luck with that anon

>>56287277
try and steelman the argument instead of strawmanning.
theres periods historically where at the time prices were on a constant downtrend for about a decade across virtually any class of assets.

>>56287292
non sequitor

why is this smg so shitty btw
anons just arguing about macro and noone talking about concrete charts, positions and plays to make money

>>56287278
no, the road to hell is paved with good intent.
>i only meant it for the best.
hanlons razor

>>56286967
24k doesn't seem that bad. 2k each

charts? This is the only chart that matters right now

>>56287305
>please spoonfeed me moneymaking plays
I would if I could

>>56287186
China
India
Brazil
USA
Russia
These are the countries with favorable resource and population ratios, which can rely on steady numbers of migrants to prop up their population in order to develop more. Countries which are desirable but resource poor like France and Japan, countries which are resource rich but undesirable to move to like Argentina or the Congo, countries which lack the people to use their resources like Australia or countries which are overpopulated and shit like Indonesia (and the meme ones which have none of these things, like Seychelles or Malta) are all fucked globally.

There is also mexico, the special case which has oil and uranium and lots of people to develop it and lots of land but is managed incredibly shittily, even ignoring that the USA doesn't want a 'second Japan' on their border, the USA has had to do very little to actually contain mexico since even without CIA funding the mexicans tend to join gains and commit crimes.

Now you are learning why countries historically sought to gain land, resources and population they could either assimilate or use as slave labor while increasing their own dominant ethnocultural population in number.

USA, China, India, Russia, Brazil will all do whatever they want because they have the leeway to do so. Other countries will eat shit on varying levels because they are lacking the key of having land, resources and people to develop them/large numbers of immigrants who can come in and develop them.

Essentially the Pax Mundi of the last 78 years has been a lie based on the assumption that populous but resource poor countries like Germany and Turkey should not go into business for themselves and turn the EU into an extension of the Fourth German Empire or that Turkey should not conquer Syria and Armenia and Lebanon and Anschluss Azerbaijan and make Big Turkey.

>>56287305
The macro is the entire point. Bears have been wrong this entire time, bonds are [once again] not the cataclysmic black swan they were hoping for, and inflation isn't nearly as bad as they want it to be. Buy now and keep buying, that's the point.

>>56287305
I'm short FSLR. And I'm long KAP because I think uranium will continue to do well. I'm also still long natty through Arc Resources despite recent E&P equity price action because the natty chart looks encouraging. Oil looks set to go back to $80 but probably oversold for now. Copper and Russell 2000 at support, same for gold but seems to be hanging on tight.

>>56287235
No, niggas are saying that oil PUMPING is a sign of recession.

>>56287299
>>56287306
>>56287320
>drew TLT breaking your imaginary support line
You had ONE JOB.

>>56287338
did you change IP's again

>we are clear for
>SOFT LANDING

>>56287338
i didnt draw shit.
keep your venom to yourself you toxic little shit.

goodnight russians and fellow americans.

>>56287334
>my retirement account that is long-only the SP500 requires that you keep buying pls
>you MUST keep this bubble pumped so that i can retire
damn that sucks

>>56287305
I've been DCAing NTR, since the dip in June. I believe it's a good play for multiple reasons; check out potash prices.
I also bought HOD last week after an anon mentioned it. Seemed reasonable, as it looks like oil is topping out. Data from this morning is *kinda* showing that.

>>56287297
Okay
>things are 3.8% more expense than last year
>this is some how going to cause the 500 largest companies in the country to crash to 10% of current value instead that cost of simply being passed onto consumers who have experienced 4.5% wage growth and can afford it
>countries like japan and italy can maintain no growth and higher debt to gdp for decades but a tiny spike in yields still 1/3 of what it was 40 years ago is going to collapse the usa
the bears arguments are silly and have no basis in reality

>>56287355
damn i waged and now I'm a slave.... NEETs warned me

>>56287358
I still want to see potash bottom before bying NTR myself but still not a bad time to DCA. Ammonia has probably found its bottom already

>>56287299
Bro have you heard of the Fork Theory? It basically debunks all foreign conspiracy theories about yield curves inversions. Essentially all prices are based on faith and confidence in the market.. NOT intrinsic value. The literal "Fork" in Fork Theory is a metaphor for our collective beliefs (like a fork in the road). Thank you, anon, for teaching these retards. All in TQQQ.

>>56287360
again strawman.
youre arguing with yourself again methanon.
is that the argument that i put foward?

>>56287295
>45 year old man doesn't even have 5000 dollars to spare in the bank and considers it a 'year worth of savings' presumably after his normal expenses on a mortgage and taxes
If he wants to help his family he should get a job that helps him not be a broke motherfucker.

>>56287344
Seems like more of a dive incoming. We're just bouncing on the springboard in preparation here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1yIBwqEyg

>>56287384
You arent making an argument sport

>>56287295
>>56287385
Though I do wanna say for a broke guy he seems like a good father. My mom is a millionaire and she thinks I had it too good growing up with basically nothing because she put everything she had into herself with basically nothing left for her kids and beleives she will definitely spend it all over the next 20 years before she croaks, requiring me (in her head she thinks I owe her for the pleasure) to pay for her retirement.

So he's a good dad, he should just get a better job and learn to invest more carefully.

>>56287392
exactly.
feel better?

>>56287364
>>56287334
>>56287299
how many different ID's you got?

Day 370 of waiting for the crash and burn to buy cheapies

>>56287418
Hell please connect me to cheapies

>>56287392
Increase in wages are due to the bullwhip effect after everything re-opened and stimmies were injected. Stimmies have stopped, rates increase, now the fun stops.

Also ppl can't afford shit, look at all the strikes going on.

>>56287112
Injecting hope would mean reversing even 1 single Jewish policy from the past 60 years. You can't just "inject" hope without doing that.

>>56287418
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at day 384, anon

>>56287426
Go fuck yourself.

>>56287421
Spending hasn’t dropped at all, youre simply wrong. The strikes are happening because there are 900k more job opening than people to fill them so the workers have all the power and can demand whatever they want, unions know this and are seizing the opportunity as they should

>>56286811
Ceteris Paribus, all other things are equal. In other words it's not the same situation so you can't necessarily expect the same outcome. You can't compare an irrelevant country to the largest economy in the world. The U.S exports oil, food, and other natural resources, we may be in for some hard times but don't be a doomer

>>56287444
Just wait until folks have to start paying student loans again. Oh wait that happened 3 days ago. How hot is it in India right now?

>>56287112
meanwhile Jamie Dimon is calling for 7% interest rates

>futures

>>56287177
>buddy, you need to take a step back and realize that you are either a russian agent or you have been mind controlled to hate your own coountry by the KGB
top kek! that is absolute boomercore gold

>>56286542
Is it too early to be Santa rally posting, if not SANTA RALLY

>>56287506
>SANTA RALLY

>>56287487
>LAW & ORDER: SVU

>>56287469
>oh no people have to go back to paying back a loan they took out the market is doomed
yeah, people have never had to pay back student debt before. This is the first time in history and will make all the inventory, warehouses, ip, buildings l, etc. of the 500 largest companies in the country drop to 10% of what it is now

What are the chances we will get to see unemployment get higher than it was during the Great Depression?

>futures

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qtIAzFcQ6Aw

>yields

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1709600614131380230

https://irds.ieee.org/editions/2023/irds%E2%84%A2-2023-lithography
>Longer term, EUV could be further extended by developing tools with an NA higher than 0.55, and hyper-NA systems (NA ≥ 0.75) are under consideration. Shorter wavelengths (6 nm < λ < 7nm) are also being assessed. This is sometimes referred to as Beyond EUV (BEUV).
>he doesn't all in on BEUV
NGMI

>>56286387
i could go monk mode and live on that easy
turns out marriageable women don't wanna live in a van and eat beans and rice

>>56287469
>How hot is it in India right now?
severe heat

Ruh roh even normies are noooooticing and starting to panic kek

>https://youtu.be/jtoBu2kwSj0?si=pJm8EYiLCD_UdLkz

>>56287418
Zero

>>56287598
Imagine the smell

>>56287325
you've been playing too much victoria

why uranium keep going up but uranium stocks keep going down????

my mercari sales are way down
people are starting to tighten their belts based on this small anecdotal sample

>>56287638

>>56287636
>real life geopolitics are just V2

>>56287608
The crazy thing about this pic is the granddaughter is halfafrican. Very accurate to modern degenerated society.

>>56287510
my nigga

>>56287638
https://numerco.com/NSet/aCNSet.html?reload=true

>>56287644
What or who is mercari?

Dead thread.
Dead market.
Dead country.

Threadly reminder that if you had just spent the last 2 weeks shorting QQQ when it hit 362 and buying when it hit 357 you'd be up about 15%

>>56286465
Ahem. There will be no recession. All posts under my ID in this thread were intended as humor and do not reflect my views. I love Biden. I also love Moderna.

Is Ford and GM an easy 10% for when a deal is inevitably reached soon? Thinking of slurping.

>>56287832
sogsog

>Nikkei big green candle
>Sukkot ending on 6th
Dump's over boys

>>56287999
here we go oil & uranium chads, new ATHs coming up

santa is coming to town
santa is coming to town

SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!SANTA RALLY!

Yields...

STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM!!! IT APPEARS YOUR PORTFOLIO IS BEING GENTRIFIED BY TOXIC MASCULINITY! STOP THE COUNT! HECKIN BASED AND SHEKEL PILLED. THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!

>>56288067
DECK THE HALLS WITH BOUGHS OF GAINS FALALALALAL ALLA LA LALA!!

>futures
These pathetic government shills are going to be screeching about how bullish the market is all the way down to zero, aren't they?

DAX 15220 in 1-2 hours.

>>56288090
We're going to start spamming bearish psyops once the bottom is close to in, you losers will never make it, and that's a good thing.

>>56286855

>>56288133

>>56288133
>admitting to the impending crash
You'll be holed away at some federal penitentiary by the time the market bottoms several years from now.

Weird, Sweden is doing that which I expected of DAX to do, but DAX is gay and weak.

>>56288160
*hauled away to some
Or
*holed up at some

>>56288167
OMX is great. Just buy banks, Volvo, Atlas Copco, ABB, and you are set for life. These swedish companies are insanely strong, and they have no competition which allows them to price gouge the hell out of their respective markets.
The Swedish banks in particular are extremely undervalued. Insanely strong profits, virtually no credit losses, high divvies, buyback programs at ATH levels. You would have to be a fool not to own them.
I am still bearish on the index but many stocks are very very bullish

>ONLY A STOCKS CRASH CAN RESCUE THE BOND MARKET, BARCLAYS SAYS (Bloomberg)

kek they really want no survivors huh

>>56288184
Yeah sure, if I had held my shorts from 20.september I would have made 2-3k in 2-3 days, fuck man. Still annoyed by it.

>>56288193
OY VEY SELL INTO WEAKNESS DON'T BUY THE DIP GOYIM

>>56288196
It's the single most retarded index in Europe. As of late it's outperforming while DAX keeps falling. Why? Who the hell knows.

On an unrelated note, gold is holding support at 1820 and oil is soon entering oversold territory. Probably a good idea for a quick swing. Adjusted for inflation, oil is very cheap right now. Then again you could say the same about copper and look how that's going. It's crap and anyone holding it is delusional in my opinion

>>56287101
>everyone is dropping the dollar as a reserve currency.
these are the ppl giving you financial advice

EU literally waiting for the US in 9 mins.

>>56288178
>t. ESL

>>56288215
You reckon the ECB is gonna be forced to hike further to keep up with the dollar? They risk parity of worse. Honestly, unless inflation magically fixes itself overnight, I see EURO dropping more and more

>>56288193
Only Powell can save the bond market, if stocks crash why buy bonds? we're not in the world of before, Powell has to start QE.

>>56288243
I hope they do. We're already getting stagflationary. Feels like the ECB wants to just sit on a fence.

nasdaq ans sp at going up to vwap just in time for the US open

Now this pump on EU happens because..? >>56288216

fuck the bond market

>>56288243
Lmao, no way they will hike further to keep the Euro stable towards the USD or above it. I really don't expect them to even think about it or care. Only if it could harm the economy very much and even then they will do it by some other mechanism. They probably even favor it, as lower currency value means cheaper exports and since the EU itself is pretty weak (consoome is not as much a religion here as in the US), EU benefits from US CONSOOMER

>>56288281
Those bonds pay for your paycheck, "anon". I would start being more respectful towards them, honestly.

baking

Please just one more pump. I need to exit my calls

>>56288314
oh there will be a pump don't you worry. Energy is going to the moon

>10 AM EU pump
Is it really that easy? That is so disgusting. Such blatant manipulation. But if you yourself start "manipulating" a stock, the authorities will turn over hell itself to find you and give you a multi-million fine. Such horsecrap

heemed

>>56288301
>>56288301
>>56288301
>>56288301

>>56288320
Yes >>56288216
>>56288101

futures

>>56288184
>volvo is swedish

>>56289063
Exactly. It is registered on the OMX and is regarded as a Swedish company when in actuality most of its business happens outside of Sweden. They even have special deals with the gubbermint (as do many other big swedish companies) that allows them to evade most of the taxes. If big corpos paid the same taxes as an ordinary man, they would have moved out of this godforsaken land many decades ago.
I believe you are referring to Volvo Group which is Chinese. Volvo is still (mostly) Swedish though.

>>56286725

I prefer to react with a few different plans depending on price action, but it certainly is possible.We ~7% down from that 9/15 4560.75 LH.

>>56286866
Altius enim iam anon