/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56198587
What's happening?

How over is it

Contemplating selling sizable portion of my depot

Am I the only one waiting for $O to hit the 40 handle?

>>56198594
thanks for telling me we will pump soon, lol. It practically could be the same as yesterday. Dump during EU, pump during US. And then redump in the night.

>>56198594
>not hodling until the Endsieg

Yom Kippur is over. My sins have been washed away. Now I'm summoning dark spirits to send SPX back to $4600.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L3iFvQHUa8

THREAD7MARKET THEME:
https://youtu.be/TSAdHJV_ZYo?feature=shared

we crash

spx and nasdaq at vwap, now we see what happens

we crab

>>56198616
>You crash.

Macro trend says:
>year of the Dragon coming in, bringing growth and prosperity
>Shmita year is over and we are in a 7-year-growth cycle
Looking good.

Imagine how terrifying it must be right now as a NAFOtranny or some other flavor of glownigger shill: the exact scenario that you said would never happen in a million years is playing out before your eyes, and when it collapses it's going to totally destroy you. You can really smell the increasing levels of desperation in the shill posts.

>>56198633
Are the shills in the thread with us?

>>56198633
this looks comfy

>>56198481 what's your gold/silver thesis?

>>56198659
Kek baggies.

>>56198633
I don't really care about the war besides feeling pity for anybody involved, but what has a recession to do with NAFOtrannies? Aren't they NATO+DOGEtechtrannies?

>>56198633
That'll be $650k plus tip

EU getting slurped. Bulls cannot be stopped. We are gonna ride the blue wave coming in from the US today

uraniumbros... what's gonna keep this train going
im about to dump more of my life savings into it

>>56198670
Kek.

For the EU bears here:
I'm currently shorting DAX. With 12 Euros investment (CFD-short) I get 26 cents interest in a month. So for 12 Euros Marginposition, which is a 0,015 short on the dax (1,5cent per pip) I'll have 12,26 at the end of the month. That is 26% interest on your capital. Anybody who is shorting EU and not using CMC or at least IG (they also pay you) is missing out.

Gold bros... why can't we stop losing?

>>56198701
Everything gold has going for it has been priced in since the dawn of human civilisation

Crox in my mind is going to be the next coca cola. Imagine coke early on and who would possibly have considered investing long term. it was sugar water. Easily exposed to competition, all it had was branding. But in a market where your product is extremely cheap to manufacture (expanded foam shoes, like bottled sugar water), establishing yourself as THE brand means that you can maintain super solid margins AND provide your customer with the brand name satisfaction from purchasing THE brand. Coke succeeded because it cost so little extra in the large scale of things to just go ahead and get THE brand. All brown sugar water is often called “coke”, and similarly, all foam clogs will always be called “crocs” even if they are some other brand. Crocs IS THE brand you want to have, its the name brand of its category. And they make like insane margins charging even $50 per pair. This is also why they actually do BETTER in recessions. Its the cheapest shoe you can buy and get the “top of the line”. People don’t forego luxuries altogether and crocs, like coca cola, is a very, very good deal for consumers who are even somewhat brand conscious (basically everyone). Look at their growth in Asian, African markets. It’s clearly evidence that slightly cheaper knock offs are just not hurting their business whatsoever. Also consider the general trend of the worlds economy. Theres broadly a massive trend to work-from-home and service related occupations. I would argue Crocs is THE shoe for WFH and an extremely popular choice for service type occupations. The fact its a top choice for nurses and kitchen workers is a huge compliment to their actual utility as more than comfort, but also durable and high functioning. As well as the trend away from formal and towards casual.

>>56198707
I'm thinking about selling mine. Problem is it has more meaning that just material. Gift from grandparents (cross, although I don't believe anymore), gift from godmother (cross, same here). If not for these reasons I would have sold.

>futures

we are healing bros

>scam V futures

>>56198725
If jewelry is all the gold you have, no point in selling.

>>56198727
And just like that, you die bobo, and the santa ride will tear you a new hole

>>56198735
And what is the point of keeping it? besides memory. All together it should be around 600-800Eur value.

>>56198701
Now is the time to buy. If you sell now, you sell the bottom. Gold will be at $2100+ at year end, mark my words.

>>56198742
It'll most likely rise in value and you won't lose the money on a stupid bet. The only good time to sell gold is when real interest rates are highly in the positive.

are oil spill images and macros suitable only when you are bullish on oil, or are they appropriate when you larp as a bear too?

>>56198753
Inflation is reversing, Gold had one job and did it piss poor. Let the Indians wear it.

>>56198742
>All together it should be around 600-800Eur value.
why would you sell that then, what the fuck are you gonna do with 700eur, buy yourself a ps5?

https://youtu.be/DctW3YrFjs4?feature=shared&t=2949
The heemer...

>>56198781
What would I make with 500 if it loses in value? WIth 700 Eur I can trade high leveraged derivatives and make money. Which I currently do. What does the gold do for me?

>>56198781
It's literally worth less than the perfumes I have. They at least smell and formulas change etc. Gold is the same thing that fluctuates in price but underperforms (currently).

>>56198778
>inflation is reversing

>>56198778
>Inflation is reversing,
Yeah excluding: food, fuel and housing.
>Gold had one job and did it piss poor. Let the Indians wear it.
Not really is up 30% from 2020 low it front runs inflation.

>>56198778
>bullish triangle coiled to break to the upside

oscillating around vwap, as usual with europe

>>56198797

it rather mooned because of recession fears during covid. It instantly mooned back up an kept going unlike stocks.

>>56198808
EU indices are literal bots, there is no human. If I'd go to the stockmarket in Frankfurt, I wouldn't find anybody there. Same with the ECB.

i was really demoralized yesterday. made a test buy and looked at some charts. so it went away.

i shant be stopped

>>56198799
Triangles go either way. When stocks fall Gold suffers

>>56198797
People over estimate how much prices go up for them, but even then eggs aren't $5 USD a dozen anymore in case you haven't noticed. Just follow the charts, like everyone did on the way up..

>>56198796
China is in deflation. They make almost all of US goods.. They'll be shipping you half price crap in no time.

>goldfags
Gold is high, not the highest, but it could be 4x cheaper, remember that.

Ready for the crab today?

>>56198815
I think it rose because of the response to the coof it foresaw the inflation and if it goes up again which I think it will, it's front running the next inflationary wave. As long as interest rates are negative or slightly positive gold has upside.

yurop getting inflation data this week.

>>56198808
There was a bar which was pretty neat in design, underground and with twisted corridors etc, which was called
>Bulls&Bears
This bar-club was probably at all times fuller.

Instead of the bar there now is a crossfit club with the name....? My god.
https://www.crossfitbullsandbears.de/

>>56198831
Nobody foresaw the inflation. It was simply a safety pump. Literally what ALL PMG doomers hope for. I'm a bear and shorting indices, but these guys hoard gold for the endtimes. Recession is what they want for their gold to pump for whatever reason, no clue what they will do with it.

>>56198826
Sure you can cherry pick one commodity as a measure for inflation maybe you only eat eggs but I don't. Fact is prices on average are going up whether it's food or fuel or rents so on and so forth. China isn't deflating it's inflating looks like you're not following the RMB charts.

>RATINGS AGENCY MOODY’S MAY POTENTIALLY CUT AMERICA’S CREDIT RATING IF THE US GOVERNMENT WENT INTO SHUTDOWN

kek please let it happen, that's too funny

>>56198849

>>56198826
And people complain it's so expensive now... what the heck 2 bucks for 12 eggs? Come to Europe and you can easily see twice or thrice the price

>>56198871
But at least us Euros have 1/5th to 1/10th the net wages.

>>56198868
Those numbers are dishonest and the bond market knows it, thus interest rates going higher.

>>56198849
You should be happy. Good news for Chinese: you can buy cheaper goods in your country. Bad news: you probably wont have a job soon.

>>56198886
You put too much faith in government statistics.

buddy, check the cny computer

>>56198915
Make sure you don't say that out loud in China.

>>56198927

>"who the fuck is buying all that US debt?"
me
I'm buying it, a lot actually. The US is never going to default, even if it does (it won't) it'll be ww3 so everything is fucked anyways.

The french now cannot afford deoderant or tampons. They will now stink, be unshaven, and bleeding

>>56198955
I doubt it. Poorer countries with significantly higher inflation and shittier salaries (like Czech Republic) are doing just fine. If they can manage, so can the french.
Normies apparently have way too much money. Who could have predicted massive inflation as they gigaprinted and practically gave away free money (loans at almost 0% rates). All because of a cough...

>>56198955
So nothing changed?

>>56199015
>All because of a cough...
Interests were alredy negative in Europe before the cough

EU cannot stop collapsing, bollinger to bollinger to bollinger, just bumpin to death

>>56199030
EU is unironically underrated and its economy is more tied to global manufacturing than the US as they are more involve in manufacturing overall. Currently global PMI's are very low and once the slump is over expect a European rebound, at least in equities and exports (consumption is stagnant and not a real driver of growth)

>>56199036
The EU solution is to import slave labour from SEA to work harder to pay for african welfare.

Must DRS DRS DRS DRS DRS

>>56198945
Apparently this yield explosion is good for pension funds by helping provide them yield. I think we should make a run on the pension system and force them to sell their bonds for massive losses to cover payments. Lets all retire.

you guys were warned well in advance

>>56199045
African welfare might be the reason I leave germany. If I want to help africa I can go there myself. With my taxes I want other things to be done in germany.

>>56199021
Heh, true that. That is the best way to stimulate the economy right? Free money was the way to go for a long time but then we got way way too greedy during Covid.
The way of the average person was to get a loan to "make it" in the world. Just take a loan for everything. THose that didn't were left in the dust. It was just too economically efficient to get a loan. Hate that system since I don't wanna become a slave to the banks.
It will be interesting here in Europoor since many people here (majority in certain countries) have short-term mortgages which will be re-financed later this year and then also next year to significantly higher rates. People are about to start paying the price for those free monies. That is when the rates should start exerting a real effect on the inflation and bring it down

>>56199062
If you get tired of being harassed just go visit kenya for petite hoes and Nigeria for honest to god the biggest best tits of Africa

>>56199057
you say this every week

Avifags pls just use a trip so you can be filtered pls specially the max payne dude

>>56199130
this, also fucking jannies, do something

>>56199130
>>56199149
They are more annoying than tripfags because they think people give a damn about them, and they are avoiding filters. Fuck them.

Sharkfin, faggots. Love you /smiggers/ <3
https://youtu.be/GcvSJudQbVs?si=mHhaF9mVEtbMY786

Can anyone find good financial information about ticket KRA (Kraton polymers)

Not so fast Bobo fucking shits

>gold miners tanking on monthly while gold just crabs
what is the takeaway here

>>56199226
Inflation is squeezing margins. AISC is up for all producers.

>>56199226
Never trust boomer doomers

>interest rates about to hit 7%
>commercial banks literally shitting money thanks to the billions that people have parked in savings accounts
>commercial banks have increased revenue by 200-300% thanks to higher interest rates
>stocks of commercial banks going sideways or slightly declining instead of going parabolic

Anyone care to explain why?

>inb4 muh silicon valey bank

I’m talking about COMMERCIAL banks that have billions in AUM and LOAN money to normies. Not about corporate banks that still have ABS/MBS on their books.

>>56199222
Instant redump,

Today I am selling the bottom. Make of that what you will.

>>56199279
There's nothing going on but crabbing.

>>56199266
Uummmm.... oopsie poopsie?

>>56199266
aren't commercial banks sitting on stinky bonds too?

>>56198849
You’re retarded and never leave the house.

This market is no more fun. Just weak, pathetic, sad.

>>56199266
Bank discounts due 2008 crisis. European banks and US banks are highly undervalued

>>56199266
Hint: what happened to the trillions in assets (mortgages, treasuries, etc.) owned by commercial banks that are priced at 2%? Do you think those are still worth anything?

>>56199266
Delete this right fucking now faggot I ain’t done accumulating

>>56199291
You've uncovered the grand plan to keep the S&P hovering around roughly 4500 and all other assets hovering around their predetermined fixed price to bore everyone out of the market. The steady crabbing will continue until all of retail exits the market

>>56198633
>those few months during the summer when we had a glowie dedicated to convincing everyone that QE and the fed can't cause inflation and it was just a supply chain issue

>>56199294
>trillions in bonds and mortgages

Savings banks don’t hold bonds or mortgages on their books. Learn to read a balance sheet you financially illiterate faggot.

>>56199329
>Savings banks don’t hold bonds or mortgages on their books. Learn to read a balance sheet you financially illiterate faggot.

>>56198633
What's going on?

>>56198694
Just keep your eye on the SPOT price

>>56199315
I won't. >>56198696
I'm getting paid for holding. They'll never get me out.

>DXY on the 5 day, 1 month, 3 month, 6 month, YTD, 1 year

Double short or triple short ETFs?
What’s better?

short tech

The slurp machines will activate during the session.

>>56199279

STOP SELLING

Lmao.
Look at the yields.
3:10am, PPT / Fed started buying - absolutely no news dropped to move bonds as they did around that time
>inb4 Lane speech at 3:00am was the catalyst
No, it wasn't

>>56198778
>Inflation is reversing
Yes, of course. It is also transitory, right?

BOIL bros...

5 more days and we get rid of these filthy bears. I'll take Crab for 1 month

>>56199435

NUTS ON SALE!

>>56199431
Hm
https://www.forexlive.com/news/a-slight-breather-in-bond-selling-for-now-20230926/
>The retreat came alongside a fall in USD/JPY earlier, with the pair now trading flat at 148.87 after the remarks from Japan finance minister Suzuki here. We'll see what the US session brings along later in the day.
https://www.forexlive.com/news/japan-finance-minister-says-closely-watching-fx-moves-with-a-great-sense-of-urgency-20230926/
>Japan finance minister says closely watching FX moves with a great sense of urgency
this made the usd/yen fall from 149 to 148.875
however this move makes very little sense to me
if BOJ was to defend yen, was to intervene and bid up yen, the way that they would do so is to sell US bonds for dollars and use the dollars to buy yen, driving up yields (which the higher yields will drive up the dollar)
This rally move in bonds is very illogical, but it was super oversold and out of average true range, so I guess it was all that was needed

>when you realize foreign nations own as many bonds as the federal reserve and japan and china dumping is a form of quantitative easing

>>56199454
Or they could just raise the YCC target to a higher interest rate.

>>56199446
FUCK I WAS TO EARLY

Would you invest all your money into MGTOW island?

>>56199454
I'm going to laugh my fucking ass off if Japan finally pulls itself out of the crab by turning off its yield control. Decades of QE didn't work, it was just that their investors needed genuine, real returns on their bonds

>>56199463
if they did that, it would also make yields surge higher worldwide
if they raised YCC target, the yen carry trade would unwind, investors/traders would need to close out their yen carry trades, would need to sell higher yielding US / EU bonds (driving their yields up higher) and repaying their yen debts
liquidity generated from this yen carry trade would decrease, overall bids would decrease, bonds would fall sharply
either intervention results in higher yields

>>56199454
>bond yield “corrects” based on Japanese currency which is having way bigger issues than just FX rates
Are you fucking insane? You can’t possibly believe this

Remember when Hilldawg sold Putin a bunch of cheap uranium for kickbacks to the Clinton foundation which was in turn used to fix Haiti and turn it into a functional western civilization with rule of law and vibrant culture and then nothing happened

>>56199482
Why do you not? Japan is a famous player on the world bond stage

Why do people trade Nat gas?

>>56199482
this is the narrative that is being pushed, and it coincides with the timing of the move in bonds this AM
Suzuki spoke at 3:00am, the move happened at 3:10am
I agree that it is completely illogical and makes no sense
>>56199479
>>56199454
as both forms of intervention would result in yields moving even higher
but for whatever reason, this was seen as the excuse to buy bonds
bonds have been super oversold and extended out of average true range for a while
as I mentioned initially >>56199431 it seems a lot more likely that the Fed / PPT initiated the buying, using the Suzuki remarks as an excuse (when it is totally irrational and would have an opposite effect in reality)

This market can't catch a break. If it doesn't repump soon I'll simply short again harder. And I know my impatience will probably punish me again. That's exactly what (((they))) are counting on.

Why does everyone love Taylor Swift all the sudden?

>>56199491
They don't understand the price structure of NatGas futures which means it's all absolutely unironically priced in. Buying NatGas now is betting that it will go significantly higher than $3.55 in the winter.

>>56199516
Marketing because of her dumb tour. Just stop paying attention. Don’t fall victim to advertising. You are better than this. Do not talk about her.

>>56199491
because BOIL went up a lot in 2022. then people got obsessed and tricked themselves into believing that they had some sort of insight after they found a couple of websites that post industry news

Mumus are you okay ? I will have some extra yard work this fall to winterize a few things. I may have an odd job or two for you if you think you can handle it.

>>56199491
>lumber
I’m never getting a house, am I?

>>56199491
I just like NatGas

>>56199516
she just had literally the most profitable music tour in history, literally within 6 months it will be DOUBLE the second closest 2.2 billion
second closest is Elton John 939 million
if you are running a 2.2 billion tour, there will be a lot of people who are trying to get your tickets, can't get your tickets
women are obsessed with status, how their peers view them - them having tickets to a Taylor show / pictures of them at the show are a huge boost to social status
even if they didn't like Taylor, they will say that they LOVE Taylor and are so happy that they were able to buy tickets for $XXX high price
however even before the tour, she was very popular - this just catapulted her to a whole new level - probably the most famous female in the USA right now, arguably worldwide

>>56199544
Lumber is just crabbing, it's not very high right now.

part of me wants to go "fuck bonds" and just own enough stocks to not give a shit and live off divys

>>56199572
Zoom out

>>56199564
lol British sodomites BTFO

>>56199574
>divys
But you know those are not guaranteed or even part of the agreement, right?

>>56199575
LBS stopped trading and LBR is too new (it traded about $100 higher than LBS), but yeah lumber isn't that expensive.

>>56199329
I’m sure glad I don’t bank at a faggot bank like yours that doesn’t loan money

>>56199574
>>56199579
Do not summon him. Do not mention that word.

>>56199579
Looking from a historical perspective, dividend payments are significantly less impacted than stock price. Even during the financial crisis it was almost only half of what stock price lost

>>56198610

avatar fag that smokes methamphetamines and never leaves his house please kys

what's a dividend

>>56199640
When you do the math thing that flattens out curves on a graph.

>>56199544
you're not but not because of the price of materials

this market seems mentally challenged

>>56199640
Taking money out of the tax optimized holding on the Caymans and paying it out to the investors, by force, where the money has to be FULLY taxed, whether you need it or not.
Of course those taxes are gone and can't compound anymore.

Uranium is the next meta hold, isn't it?

>>56199676
Nuclear was always the future. Chinks just conned everyone in the west to use solar, wind, and EVs

Who else buying the dip today?

>>56199541
Yeah of course I'm okay, SPY is up 15% this year. I'm actually waiting for a decent dip to put some more money into comfy boomer ETFS, but everything is still way too expensive. SPY is barely a couple single percentage points down from ATH.

>>56199682
I don't have spare cash. Should I maxx out the margin? Expensive though, at 5%pa.

>futes

>>56199682
when is the dip happening? I need a bit more than -1.69% in a week before I consider something a dip.

SELL REDDIT SELL

>>56199795
this so much this

wtf is this PA? I was promised a pump

>>56199544
Not until the last of the boomers die, and maybe blackrock doesn't snatch up every single propery to turn into rental units in your area.

>Kazatomprom
it just keeps printing, why won't it ever stop? How can we stop winning uraniumKINGS?

>>56199795
Reddit bros have moved onto buying meme Weed and Nuclear. The selling is capitulation.

>tfw you buy the dip and it keeps dipping

Is it too late to get in on the uranium trade bros? I didn’t listen the first ten times.

my portfolio is now 75% Cameco/25% Hitachi how fucked am i?

This is the best /smg/ ever.

>>56199813
Expect pullback when the oil trade dies.

>>56199844
don't buy yet. Let the stocks soar more and only buy once you've hit peak FOMO.

This is all getting slurped once markets open right?

>>56199847
SQNXF is the next Ozempic/ Orange Juice/ Uranium

>>56199864
Maybe. Someone has to be the first to slurp. I'll let you go first.

Poor Porschefags

whats it gonna be today

I know looking at 1m chart is useless, but what about 5m?

Holy fuck the shylocks on Bloomberg live are kvetching so hard this morning about Jamie Dimon’s High Aryan IQ 7% ffr forecast

As I've been saying to expect, BOIL has hit the 40s this mornin'. Shoulder season is only getting a good start at this point, so it should still have a decent ways down to touch, barring some macro surprise of some sort.
TREAD
VERY
CAREFULLY

>>56199921
Trap, Clap, crab, trap, dump,

>>56199921
>sleep while market violently crabs and smg kvetches about each swing
truly the patrician choice

I just drove to the store to buy groceries and it was so crowded and cars were parked in every driveway. Why isn't anyone working? It seemed like either everyone was at home or shopping, it's a normal fucking weekday so why aren't they working? (not US, it was like 1pm here)

>>56199936
for months and now only the right left.

>>56199947
needs more meme lines

AHHHHHHHH LOOK AT BOND YIELD COMPUTER

There is literally no downside to putting all your money into a money market fund. Just nice easy gains each month. What could possibly go wrong with that?

>>56199984
Nothing, since if the US defaults everything is fucked anyway so you might as well treat it as risk free.

>>56199962
I have this thought every time I have a holiday. Its an illusion, there will always be some section of people shopping.

>>56199980
Wow!
Didn't expect that honestly - after Fed / PPT were able to pump up bonds on low liquidity this AM, really expected it to hold for at least a day before they sold off again
Impressive, truly impressive

>>56199980
WHO IS BUYING IT?!

Bad look for bond bros

>>56199822
based sterre poster
here's a better "dip" lmao

>>56199921
that's a funny lookin bobo

how on Earth is DAX so high when Germany and Europe in general are in such a shit shape? Their currency is getting weaker by the day, their economic groth forecasts are grim, their labor force is shrinking, they have much higher inflation than in the US... And yet the DAX is acting as if nothing's wrong. Is this a generational short opportunity?

>futures

>>56199993
>"If a money market mutual fund held securities on which the U.S. Treasury defaulted on the payment of interest or principal, then the fund would need to sell those defaulted securities, unless the fund's board of trustees determines that disposing of the securities would not be in the best interests of the fund."

Oh fuck wait does that mean if they default then they sell my cash without my say? All of my savings just get liquidated?

https://www.forexlive.com/news/fhfa-us-july-home-prices-08-vs-03-prior-20230926/
>FHFA US July home prices +0.8% vs +0.3% prior
surely housing moving +0.8%MoM will have no impact on inflation

>>56200028
DAX is only German large caps, so megacorpos that
>will be saved at any cost
>don't pay taxes
>get special deals like cheaper energy ("Industriestrom")
If you want to short something better go SDAX.

>>56199984
There literally is a downside. You pay an extra 0.15% fee vs spending 5 seconds to buy t-bills yourself.
And if you're in a tax advantaged account or live in a state with no income tax, there are better options than t-bills. For example, see FLOT.

>>56200032
seems like that yeah, but if the Treasury defaulted that would still mean the currency would get dumped

>>56198587
I am so mad I sold my put and then rolled into SOXL and am now getting heemed

>>56200015
You have to be literally retarded to buy bonds. And I mean buy bonds not for yields but to buy them to trade them.

>>56200046
>>56200015
You are actually way worse than Michael Burry, despite everybody meming on him.

>US auto union still striking, strikes have expanded, forecasts point to the possibility that if it goes on for a month it could tip QoQ GDP into negative
>US retardment shutdown imminent
>only reasonable path to a compromise is spending cuts, meaning lower growth
>risk off market rotation
>safe haven currency according to the market: USD

>>56200024
Whore

>>56200028
>>56200037
the DAX is a performance index, the calculation of which also includes dividends and their reinvestment.
the real DAX index sits around 6k points

>>56200040
>>56200039
I am in a taxed account as well as in an income tax state...

Alright all I have to do is just bet on that the US won't default like they always do. And just keep my finger on the trigger if they do announce a default and get out before they touch my money.

Okay so hear me out:
Dividend capture, but with high yield treasury bonds
basically risk free since the prices of the bonds fluctuate so little and yields are currently high af
Need it or keep it???

>>56200060
>safe haven currency according to the market: USD
if you're having to choose between worthless slips of used toilet paper, you choose the one with the least amount of shit on it

>>56200060
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKOPq3pDQBM

It's okay, it's a broke day but everything is alright my man. I know markets aren't really going up like you want but you need to work harder to get it going like you should. I mean that for everyone. We all rely on the USD. And must service our debts. That's life. I don't know what to tell you.

>>56200060
where is the alternative safe haven?

>>56200064
6k pts is still almost at ATH. That is too generous. Bratty yuro index... Needs correction!

>>56200037
>>56200028
Exactly, large caps are doing fuckin fantastic these last two years. Tax evasions/special deals with the government, insane profits, ZIRP and high priority loans, and insanely underrated still. These large caps in Europe are hovering around a P/E of 4-15 and if you account for this year's earnings, the P/E drops to 3-12. European large indices are for the most part still underrated.
Mega caps/Large caps are the ones that thrive in this environment since everyone rallies to them. They've got cash and very manageable debts

>>56200066
If you want to get out fast, best off owning your own t-bills.
If something happens to the bank, your money market fund investment is at risk. Redemptions all happen end of day.

>>56200060
We just need 4 million more beaners and poos, Jack.

>>56200035
https://www.forexlive.com/news/us-july-caseshiller-20-city-house-price-index-09-mm-vs-07-expected-20230926/
surely housing moving up +0.8% MoM in July, and +0.9% MoM in August will have zero impact on inflation

>>56200076
>paging Mr. Schiff please come to the front desk

*BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

>>56200095
Fuck off back to your boomer rock general

I'm in a state of constant fugue
There's no telling what will happen
My watchlist is red with fear
Yet you all keep on clappin'

>>56200090
Schwab is a fortress I am sure they will do fine...oh fuck maybe I should probably think about getting out soon.

Here we go!

>>56200094
Inflation could cause a rise in wages too you know, there is wage inflation. I hear mcdonalds pays 15 an hour starting now in some places, while your 100k wagie still makes 100k and there's a constriction in the market right now. I guess it turns out that automaton won't replace humans or cause an end of humanity, it will just be another tool that needs to be operated by a human.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Are prices in the US for gas even dropping? Look at the market price, it's pretty sharply declining last weeks. Fuel Oil dropping too but holding strong. Oil staying at 88.

>down 4% all time after 2 years
holy shit this is boring

HIGHER
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>>56200123
No. I spent 80 bucks filling up my tiny 3-series

CAN WE STOP GAPPING DOWN FOR 1 DAY? PLEASE

>>56200121
if you're so mad bucko, get a real job doing real work and contribute to society!!!! or just install the contribute to society app on your iphone. Regardless, if we want the market to sustain it's self at all we need to be creating more valuable goods our of our current resources. And obtain more resources. The economy could be considered in this view more of a process, a job, a working living thing that must breathe and eat, than a number on a screen.

the beatings will continue until morale improves

I can't believe people ITT are still falling for the "gubernment shutdown meme". Like lmao, they'll pass a CR by the end of the week and life will go on like nothing happened. #SoftLanding #X-masRally

>>56200138
we're going to crab upwards for the rest of the day (like every other day)

>>56200138
Did you miss the line going straight up for 6 months in a row?

>house prices hit new ath
Exit liquidity has been fully deployed.

>>56200123
Down about 20 cents a gallon in my area over the past week or two

>>56200147
HIGHER FOR LONGER
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>>56200149
And then GAP down afterhours as per usual

>>56200124
trust the plan, 2 more years

just a little bit more and my limit buys trigger
come on goys, sell sell sell

>>56200152
yes

>>56200162
that person isn't even buff, just skinny fat

>>56200148
Filtered

INTEREST IS UP
AND THA STOOKS MARKET'S DOWN
ONLY GET MUGGED
IF YOU GO DOWN TOWN

>>56200134
>80$
I have a Mercedes here, W204. I think it can hold 66 litres, that's probably 125Eur for a full tank. I keep it at 1/4.

1,9Eur seems to be average gasoline. And you know we earn less here.

>>56200191
>I keep it at 1/4
Enjoy your sediment

>>56200076
USD is strong both because of the global rate differential AND the growth differential, that's what's priced in.
Yet every major piece of news of the past week points to lower growth and the USD isn't getting repriced lower, in fact it's strengthening, because it's the safe haven currency (to hide from US caused issues).
Why isn't the yen rallying as a safe haven? If BoJ exits YCC it will lead to giga capital inflows and the yen was a safe haven up until the coof.
The dollar strength is not only wrecking havoc on the rest of the global economy, but it's fucking insane that it pumps even when their retarded politicians are taking a shit on the capitol floor and closing the government down due to aids.
If the retarded politicians in any other country decided to close down to government out of sheer faggotry their currency would be dumping and the market would whip the sense back into them.

>>56200180
>I'll just ignore your infinite wisdom and go back to my mom's basement where I can live out my fantasy where the government shuts down and the markets turn to shit.
ftfy

>>56200209
>stopped reading after that

Stocks are dead

>>56200185
A COUNTRY BOY CAN SLUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRPPPPP

>>56200222
desu I don't care about the instrument, as long as I get money just for having money, without having to work for it.
What do you recommend? Bonds?

>>56200222
Cccchecked

>>56200222

7% terminal fed rate.

>>56200229
CHECKED

If we get another once in a life time financial crisis for the 3rd time in a row I am going to have to look for a job and I have no work experience. It's over

>>56200255
consider yourself lucky, i just stubbed my toe real bad

DID YOU GUYS HEAR THEY ARE GOING TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT?
THE US IS LITERALLY FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS
THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY
ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS A GLOWIE SHILL

>>56200222
bros how do i uncheck this and save stonk market

smug neet threads will finally get their wreckoning

>>56200255
If we get another once in a life time financial crisis for a 3rd time in a row, don't bother looking for a job, there won't be any anyway.

>>56200255
you were supposed to set aside a good chunk of cash to buy the dip though

ooOOoOOuuuUTttTTaaAa

>>56200268
the only way to fix this is to have sexual intercourse with john rocker

>>56200277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkqyIoYAXV8

My pile is bigger than yours

>>56200288
What a cringe video lmao

>>56200255
unskilled burnouts in life that can't hold down a job are already doordashing and ubering for $2 per delivery
if we even have just a recession, not even a crisis you won't have jack fucking shit you stupid kid

>>56200267
Look I see what your saying and completely agree.
But, credit rating firms are gay and will downgrade because of normal American politics, and THAT is bullshit. That’s why I get concerned.

>>56199095
Nigerian tits are underrated.

>>56200296
I'm 33

>>56200288

MOMS GONNA FREAK

>>56200148
DO NOT ENGAGE WITH ATTENTION WHORES

>>56200288
wtf

>>56199588
Man that website is a bitch and a half to use. Why can't I just download a spreadsheet with all the stuff in it for every bank?

I've around 40k eur sitting in my bank at 4%p.a., what should I do with it instead

ONE MINUTE

>>56200333
>I'm a giant pussy who has to hide behind a guise of anonymity because it's embarrassing how much of a loser I am.
ftfy

>>56200345
Triple leveraged inverse ETFs, but not SQQQ

sold my ttoo at open. fat fingered that little bit. but im ok with that since its not a trading system issue.

glad i played it with a small amount.

oil bros...

Seriously what's the bear thesis right now, today, this morning? Who is selling and why? Muh bonds? Really? Did we teleport back to 2021?

>>56200365
I believe it, they force a scarcity on shit like diamonds to make them more expensive then they seem all the time.

>>56200365
>dinosaur fossils
>t. moron
Not really interested in anything else has to say desu.

>>56200377
That’s literally what they say oil is. Organic matter doesn’t turn into oil, that’s retarded.

>>56200375
extreme global market fear retard wtf. are any of you people real

>>56200375
>unsustainable debt levels, auto, student, credit, personal, mortgage
>extreme housing bubble, all time high 30%+ income on housing
>consumer is broke, no savings by October
>inflation is spiking higher, no more base effects
>interest rates higher for longer; more zombie company failures, lower growth, more bank failures if 10yr approaches 4.5%
>complete collapse in global trade, each month countries report doing 10% less exports from the previous month
>China recession
>EU recession
>dollar rising
>earnings collapse for 3 consecutive quarters
>1.73 standard deviations wilshire 5k ratio; 50% more bubble than dotcom peak
>**20x forward multiple** on S&P500 earnings (this is very expensive, going into a recession)
>earnings margin collapse, profit margin collapse market wide three consecutive quarters
>only in nominal terms are things "rosy"
>spiking delinquencies / defaults on all forms of credit
>new housing construction falling during strong summer months, in spite of strong demand
>more corporate bankruptcies this year than any other previous by this time of year
>yield curve inversion + uninversion in future
>130% debt to GDP
>$1 trillion in debt service
>other nations dropping dollars for trade, petrodollar is kill
>PMI / ISM collapse
>new orders / backlog of orders collapse
>commodity prices rising sharply (inflationary)
>consumer is kill, and will be even more kill in the Autumn
>crowding out effect from Janet Yellen issuance backlog
>Japan ending / lifting YCC, carry trade unwind
>ECB more dovish = dollar rise
>yields rising
>all time high paycheck to paycheck before student loan repayment resumes
>underwater autoloans
>collapsing commercial real estate value 60%+ value haircuts
>deposit outflows, commercial real estate collapse, inverted yield curve crushing banks - solvency banking crisis looms
>EU PMI collapse
>Fed liquidity vs S&P500 divergence
>US credit downgrade
>smart money vs dumb money divergence
>US regional bank downgrades

Now that the jewish holidays are over and we are free from sin, we can sin again. DUMP IT.

>>56200382
>That’s literally what they say oil is
No it isnt. Pretty much none of it is dinosaurs. its all plants and algae. Thanks for proving how stupid you are too.

>>56200353
I TRIED TO WARN YOOOOUUUU-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

if September is the worst month for stock and it’s currently manifesting itself to the utmost degree why didn’t we all sell on Aug 31?

Is this just retard strength shorting or are people legitimately reading spooky headlines and smashing the sell button? I genuinely don't think any of the information coming out is bad enough that the stock market needs to crash

>>56200384
>Extreme
It seriously isn't. Mainstream media fud is not real life.

>>56200325
Kek based filmcow poster

>>56200395
this time is different

And they don't stop sellin'
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>>56200353
I DONT KNOW WHY

>>56200399
what planet do you live on

AAAAAAAAAA

>>56200391
>plants and algae turn into oil
That’s retarded, too. I want you to dig up a giant pocket of organic matter in the process of turning into oil.
Show it to me. Where are the giant underground pockets of dead ancient rotting plants and algae that haven’t quite turned into oil?

IT'S HAPPENING LOOK AT THOSE HOME SALES

Goldsisters…

>>56200403

>>56200395
because if somebody could actually predict the market they'd be on a yacht in the bahamas and not on 4chan

>>56200375
The selling is a direct result of the GOPs attempt withhold aid from Ukraine and their stance of support for Putin's war of aggression; and their defacto fascist leader's remarks regarding the execution of American top brass.

>check the calendar
>it's still September
When will it be finally over?

Ignore the tripfag

>>56200415
>Show it to me. Where are the giant underground pockets of dead ancient rotting plants and algae that haven’t quite turned into oil?
Here.

>>56200399
its getting cold so people are sad and market goes down

>>56200421
but this downturn was entirely predictable

>>56200415
anon where do you think the carbon in hydrocarbons comes from exactly? space magic?

>>56200403
The difference is that one chart is real over time and shows an obvious continuous uptrend and the other is vague bullshit

>>56200395
I think we were all hoping that humans weren't just slightly more evolved chimps with deep superstitions but oh well

>>56200435
BTFOd

well guys, that was it, the bottom. Too much euphoria itt

>>56200442
Oil is abiotic.
>>56200435
Show me the next stage, champ. What happens next?

This is not BUSSIN

>>56200450
oversold conditions can remain oversold

Someone bake me a fuckin cake

>>56198600
Handle is a funny trading term.

>>56200403
You still haven't updated this.

>>56200450
I’m starting to agree. Peak Bobo euphoria here is always the strongest of but indicators.

>>56200437
Wait did you just say it's getting cold? Time to buy natural gas. Natural gas always goes up when it gets cold.

>>56200435
Show me the organic soup.
Show it to me.

>>56200445
>>56200435
You are not real figgahs

>>56200468
No need to, we are still going down, I'm sure you will see that number again real soon.

BOBO why so quiet? Something wrong?

>>56200468
Yeah because he knows market will be at an ATH before next year.

>>56200450
>well guys, that was it, the bottom.
It’s still going down you faggot. I would have lost money listening to you

>>56200481
scroll up

>>56200454
>Show me the next stage, champ. What happens next?
>>56200473
It cooks until the organic material breaks down and turns into a liquid petroleum or natural gas. What do you want me to show? you can google a pic of crude oil.
>>56200477
Kerogen isnt carbon storage its carbon generation by breaking down organic matter with temperature and pressure. Carbonates store carbon when they form more shell matter.

ok,jokes aside, why are we still dumping? American economy is crashing

>>56200494
>why are we still dumping?
Prob gov shutdown meme again.

inshallah

>>56200497
>>56200497
>>56200497

>>56200365
He's true but its definitely running out. We used up millions of years product in a 200 years.
Mars should definitely has some thou

>>56200395
>>56200421
I did, I thought everyone else here did too.

>>56200493
WHERE ARE THE MASSIVE POOLS OF DEAD ANIMALS IN THE GROUND YOU FUCKING RETARD?

IF OIL IS ORGANIC, I SHOULD SEE HUGE MASS GRAVE POCKETS OF DECAYING PLANTS, ANIMALS, AND ALGAE. UNDERGROUND WOULD BE THE STINKIEST PLACE IN THE WORLD.

WHERE ARE THE STINKY POCKETS, RETARD?

I really fucked up thinking I should wait monday instead of just shorting the fuck out of this trashmarket.

>>56200494
it is a mystery

>>56200512
Bogs, peat and lignite stink.

>>56200505
Oil isn’t static. It moves from the crust to the mantle regularly. Previously depleted wells from 150 years ago are now full again.

If America isn't investing in petroleum refineries because of the fear that the regressives are going to just rug pull them, who is positioning to create this kind of infrastructure overseas to take advantage of the scarcity in refining capabilities?

>>56200512
>MASS GRAVE POCKETS OF DECAYING PLANTS, ANIMALS, AND ALGAE. UNDERGROUND WOULD BE THE STINKIEST PLACE IN THE WORLD.
Thats literally what kerogen is. Thats the picture. A giant mass of organic material.

>>56200464
What’s the catalyst? Any bank failures? Asset bubbles showing signs of popping? Terrible economic data?
Over the last year and a half we have had
>Bank failures
>Rates skyrocket
>Largest War in Europe since 1945
>Supply shocks from China lockdowns and Russian sanctions
>China real estate collapse
And yet none of these have been enough to really draw the market down to capitulation levels. That’s how badly this shit wants to rip.

do we believe in head and shoulders patterns /smg/

>>56200420
is this just another FA video?

Don't get too greedy. We likely have some dcb at least if not some faux news catalyst to have a face ripper. Todays moves have been mid volume I guess. Still 2 hours in this 4h window.

>>56200534
Proof?

>>56200420
NAME/SAUCE
RIGHT NOW!