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>>56192154

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>>56192154
It used to be based. When it came out in 2014ish when I was in college it was free high grade pussy for every guy.

>>56192154
The paradox of dating apps: if they make a good product, you stop using it.

>>56192170
Yeah before monetization it was pretty good unless you were an ugly neet manlet. Now its unusable for men without paying for some kind of addon. Doesn't help that you need to hide it because paying for Tinder gives women 'the ick'

As someone who’s successfully used tinder to get laid/date more than once, I can say super likes are useless. I’ve super liked 3 women who super liked me back, and literally couldn’t even turn those into a CONVERSATION, much less a connection or relationship.
There are less bots on there as of lately, though.

>>56192167
> jannies! help me!

>>56192205
For me super likes work from time to time. I've landed a few dates with very good looking women with them.

a ridiculous portion of the people aren't active users. only ~1/3rd open the app daily. half of the users pay for premium, so you're screwed without, and the ratio of men to women is 3:1. honestly not that much different than a bar with a cover charge

>>56192154
never use any service owned by this company

>>56192164
honestly this at this point an anon should go through the archive and put all the tinder posts together into one big mega post we can reference

yes OP we know, they charge you $5 just to scroll a bit further, and once you scroll too far you get shadowbanned anyway

>>56192154
You forgot to add that Tinder puts fake profiles up and probably even has bots DMing you. Niggers getting lit the fuck up on dating apps. Glad they banned me years ago.

>>56192154
How about a dating app that is for people that do not like the process of setting up dates. I’ll call it “skip the bullcrap”. An app that ranks people using a SMV score and pairs with others based on common interests/smv scores and auto sets up plans to meet and do something based on your common interests.

This app makes for peak efficiency in meeting and dating people and not wasting time with constant messaging and planning. if people do not show up for their date then they get reported, if they do not show up 3 times then account deleted.

The app makes money by getting a percentage commission off of any date it sets up where it recommends doing something that costs money from the business it recommends (eg a bar, mini golf, etc)

>>56192170
This. 2014-2018 was the golden age of tinder/online dating. Back when meeting up with someone casually off an app was still taboo enough for girls to get a slutty thrill out of it. I was also in college during this time and using tinder on a college campus was pretty much 100% guaranteed easy pussy and I'm not even good looking. I remember the first time I made a tinder profile I used shitty pics and some lame one liner bio and had 100+ matches within the first couple weeks. Most of which were actually hot and were down to meet up/fuck pretty much instantly.

Now that meeting people off apps is the norm tinder has just become a barren wasteland of scammers, catfish, bots, and girls who are just pimping their onlyfans or their venmo/cashapp trying to collect a few bucks from desperate beta simps. I can actually put a ton of effort into my profile with high quality pics and I'm lucky to get ONE SINGLE match that isn't an obvious bot scammer or onlyfans whore.

>>56192493
The app is gonna be mostly undesirable land whales, most women don't use these apps that seriously, they just wanna talk a little and "see whats out there" while playing a waiting game for a guy whos at least 2 or 3 points higher than them, or they have no interest and just want the validation or attention. Any app that pushes women into going on dates right away is gonna scare away all but the most undatable women.

>>56192170
>>56192513
Hm I never installed it and I can not get woman. Should I have installed it?

The treatment pays more than the cure. So yes, it's geared towards drumming up interest and engagement but not necessarily find you a gf.

With that said, I don't think dating apps are responsible for making them absurdly difficult for men. I think it's men/women themselves. From the start, 70% of users are male, and in terms of active screen time I would even guess it gets up to 80-90% of hours spent on the app are from men. To make things worse, men will spam every female they match with, as many are on there just to find hook up prospects and that requires a big net. That is fatiguing to women who already despise the idea of having to trawl through a dating app to find their soul mate. With women having such a large advantage in terms of selection you get the general male misery, it's simply an asymmetric market.

But that presents an opportunity somewhere else: the IRL pick up game. Men are becoming increasingly shy, checked out, and dependent on apps for dating/fucking prospects. Women are increasingly desirable of and deprived of IRL approaches. The standard has never been lower for striking up a dialogue with random women at bars/restaurants/public events and seeing where it goes from there, you just have to overcome your social anxiety and learn that it's all a numbers game.

>>56192164
repost

>>56193074
I've found the best strategy is to get a woman's phone number or snapchat asap after matching (within 2-3 messages.) After that, I think its more 'personal' in their mind and its easier to engage with them.

>>56192154
>i couldn't get laid off tinder so i come to biz to cry about its business model

i sincerly hope my question will not be ignored

i was thinking lately about all the theories in the "manosphere" and basically it lays out that a very small percentage of men is getting all the bitches, thereby making the vast majority of men "incels"

however i wondered, doesnt that work 2 ways and arent the vast majority of ugly women also rendered incels? since those ugly women now only want 10/10 chads but those chads are too busy smashing 10's

>>56193557
No, and here's why:

Women rarely want to fuck a bunch of different guys constantly (except for the rare nympho), and don't lower their standards to fuck guys when a better one is unavailable. They want to fuck high value guys and will compete for those partners (the top 20% of males that are eligible partners .) Despite what women say, a man who has lots of sex and is more desirable to other women is a bonus for them. It means that that man has social approval, and can heighten her social status.

Men are biologically different. A man produces millions of sperm per day. Women have only 1 egg per month. So a man can impregnate 1000s of women, theoretically, but a woman can get pregnant once. So a man has an innate biological desire to have as much sex as he can, because it means more offspring. Those 20% of men will have sex with as many women as they please, and even lower their normal standards when a more attractive woman is unavailable (eg. there's a concept of a 'slam pig' in certain men's circles, but not in women's circles.)

The ugly/fat women can get laid by a much more attractive man occasionally, but they will never be marriage or relationship material for the upper 20% of men. Women typically can't differentiate between their own sex and relationship value, so they assume they are in the 'same league' as the men who will fuck them drunk for a one night stand, and adjust their standards to the most attractive man who's had sex with them.

im actually making a dating app right now, with a twist that no other app does today, you guys will be seeing it soon when it gets published :)

The business of dating apps is seeing, not being seen.
I need more funding though, I've got the graphic design of all the screens 80-90% ready, but im lacking on the backend of things as software engineering here in the US is pretty expensive.

>>56193675
Also it boils down to this-
For men: sexual value != relationship value
For women: sexual value = relationship value

If you look at all male/female relationship issues in this lens, it makes complete sense. Its why women will marry shitty men and stay with them. Its why very slutty women can 'never find a man who's loyal'. Its why a 400 lb woman will demand that their partner be 6' 5'', while a 400 lb man will take whatever he can get for companionship.

>>56193074
This.
Probably helps that I'm married and genuinely not interested, but every now and then I'd go alone to a social event, speak to random people, some of whom are female and end up with a few females who appear to be interested in me.
And I'm the socially awkward nerd who stood outside the school bus stop even when it was freezing outside, just so I wouldn't have to say "hi" to the other kids.
You fags wouldn't believe how easy it is. The only thing I have going for me is that I'm 190cm tall and perhaps the self esteem from my net worth (because judging by my clothes you'd assume I'm dirt poor).

>>56193557
Perhaps sort of.
Technically, there's no such thing as an "involuntary celibate" male. Not when hookers and desperate fatties exist.
What they really mean is "a man who can't find a mate due to being nothing special, but having high criteria".
With women, it's slightly different - they get some sex. Because the equivalent of a male visiting a hooker is a female telling a male "let's fuck", but there's no social stigma involved, so they're more likely to go for it.

But at the end of the day, in terms of finding a solid relationship based on love and mutual understanding (which everyone wants) they're just as unlucky. They're simply more depraved because they've opened up for casual sex to the worst possible males in the past (whereas most males do not visit hookers, which would be the male equivalent of that). More bitter, too.

>>56193805
1. Outsource in Eastern Europe.
2. Look for legal ways to fund via crypto, perhaps?

here's the lesson:

Time spent trying to make money is better spent becoming attractive to high value women by several orders of magnitude.

Have a rolodex of hot, young women? You're getting access to fucking everything. Lines do not exist. Nightclub? VIP, meet the owner, here's $5,000 every night you bring your girls here. Restaurant? "We're booked 7-months in advance, wait, is that a Norwegian heiress? Right this way."

Here's the paradox. When you think you need money to attract women, you'll never stop chasing money. When you have women, money becomes as abundant as hydrogen.

There's a reason why pickup was memory holed in 2014 while this weird queermosexual deviancy was being pushed by the mainstream and simultaneously every corporate entity in existence.

You can't buy honest signals but you can develop them.

Verification not required.

>>56193969
>Time spent trying to make money is better spent becoming attractive to high value women by several orders of magnitude.
Yeah, also a lesson from an oldfag here.
It was impossible for me to get a gf when I was young.
I blamed myself and thought I was doing something wrong.
Now that I've made it, I'm literally being stalked by model chicks who learned about my $ somehow, even though I'm very low profile. Every girl from every social group I've been a part of has tried hinting. And I'm still the same guy, just richer.

The moment you step into a night club or some other place you're planning to find a mate, every single girl has already seen you and decided yes or no. There is literally NOTHING you can do afterwards to change that decision. Instead of blaming yourself about not doing something right (which 99% of guys do) just get rich and stop wasting time with bullshit.

My now wife was the only girl who gave me a chance when I was poor and undesirable (and she was very much desirable). So I wouldn't cheat on her, but damn, some of the girls who hit on me nowadays are HOT AF.

But if you manage to find a girl who likes your ambition, rather than liking your money after you already have it - respect her and try to keep her. I'm pretty sure if I hadn't found my gf when I was poor I'd now be a degenerate cheater, because seeing how women change once you get rich, it's impossible for me to respect any of these hoes.

>>56192154
Tinder's business model is to sell referrals to buccal fat removal surgery.

>>56193675
>Women typically can't differentiate between their own sex and relationship value, so they assume they are in the 'same league' as the men who will fuck them drunk for a one night stand, and adjust their standards to the most attractive man who's had sex with them.

Why is this true for "typical" women rather than only stupid women?

>make account
>get a couple matches
>get a cue of 30 likes
>app asks me to pay to see who liked me
>never shown anyone in the like queue
It pay walls you from people who've already liked you after a while.

>>56194080
Women are stupid af when it comes to relationships.
It's pushed through media as something cool "OMG Becky I might be a smart educated womyn, but once I fall in love I'm such an idiot".
With men it's different, none of us necessarily marries the hottest woman we've landed. We usually go for the nicest/smartest woman who is hot enough.
Even the dumbest men out there would not marry just because of a nice pair of titties or a nice ass.
But even the smartest women out there do exactly the female equivalent of that.
They're programmed this way by the media, and for some reason fathers are discouraged from talking to girls about their potential partners.
Also doesn't help that while men are attracted to nice asses and nice tits, which don't necessarily correlate to mean/nasty behavior or stupidity, women are literally mostly attracted to narcissism and sociopathy on a primal level, so they need this talk even more. But most of them never got it from their dads.

this thread again, sigh

>>56194048
How do you get rich?

>>56194394
1. Had 4 different software companies in 4 different jurisdictions throughout the years, networked hard, built niche websites after work, overall working more than 90 hours per week.
2. The other 99% came from buying AVAX at $0.33 xDDDDDD

>>56193954
im getting my sourcing right now from argentina
for 200 dollars, ive gotten my whole app designed very professionally (with my guidance, and im an architect).

in terms of funding from legal ways, you still need to find someone whos willing to fund it, but I havent pitched in a while.

It's not a natural thing to just strike up a convo with a random person though. This world is so engineered now

>>56192287
>Gary Swindler

>>56192170
I literally still use AOL to get yung, hot pussy. The old a/s/l shit still works, believe it or not. There's so many cheating, little degen whores on it now because their zoom zoom bfs and husbands would neverthink to look there

>>56193912
>190cm

>>56192154

fucking dating apps just get you an escort if your trying to fuck. you have to pay for a dinner date with a tinder hore anways an deal with her bullshit convos

>>56193105
no you need instagram first to make sure they are not catfish

then you go to the #

>>56192154
OP is a faggot who cant even pull girls on tinder and is probably a cringy tubby fuck

>>56195039
And this is why you’ll die alone.

>>56195177
Enjoy your stds.

>>56192246
this. ive come to the conclusion paying for them isnt worth it, though, just the free ones if they even still have those

>>56192493
Dont listen to
>>56192973
Try it. Use chat gpt premium to write it all for you. I believe in you anon

>>56194237
>With men it's different, none of us necessarily marries the hottest woman we've landed. We usually go for the nicest/smartest woman who is hot enough.
>Even the dumbest men out there would not marry just because of a nice pair of titties or a nice ass.
It depends. This is true for most men, myself included. I love my wife to pieces but she is admittedly not the hottest girl I ever dated, just hot enough to make cute babies but more importantly really nice and smart enough to actually have real conversations with. She is the only girl I could imagine still being best friends with 50 years down the road. That said, two of the smartest and most attractive guys I know just cannot get a wife for some reason. They don't have any trouble finding a thot to fuck, that's not the problem. One of them just only seems to be able to attract women he gets bored of after a month. The other has been married twice now but is single again because he gets annoyed at them after a few years. I used to look up to both of them back in the day but now I feel sorry for them and like they are weirdly retarded in this one area that they should be good at.

>>56193805
I could build it for you but I'm certain it's a waste of time and therefore will not

>>56195097
No you don't rofl

>>56195097
LoL now THIS is why I keep coming back to this shithole

>>56192424
>Tinder puts fake profiles up
Source?

>>56193805
hello there
>mister idea guy
6fig wfh backend software engineer here.
even if you shared your "plan" I wouldn't build your app.
you don't know how many times I've heard somebody say what you just said.
Big, established players can reverse engineer your gimmick in a matter of seconds, then build it in a matter of hours.

fuckin' hate idea guys like you. just learn to build it yourself instead of being at the mercy of others. I didn't go to school for this yet here I am. I also didn't have chatGPT around

>>56193912
>the only thing I have going for me is the most important thing determined at birth
lol part n parcelle

>>56192154
They want to make it so you have to pay to be able to breed or have access to the dating market. They also give niggers higher elo scores.

>>56192513
>Now that meeting people off apps is the norm
In OH maybe

>>56192154
How does one filter for people nowadays? Almost every single person on Instagram and Facebook is not only an elitist asocial antisocial whore, but she looks like a criminal, a thief and a man-jawed hollywood retard.
Facebook and Instagram have dogshit search functions
How do you filter for eyes, hair and occupation/job/highschool/college without searching only 1 by 1 ?

>>56192513
>Now that meeting people off apps is the norm tinder has just become a barren wasteland of scammers, catfish, bots, and girls who are just pimping their onlyfans or their venmo/cashapp trying to collect a few bucks

No, its just the fact that chads/chadlites also have joined tinder, and you just cannot compete against them anymore with your mediocre looks/lifestyle
be chadlite+ or its over

>>56195097
you get larped by fat old gay, dickpic harvesting, pervs, probably. have you actually met a chick irl from there?

>>56198225
didn't ask you to build it, so fuck you

>>56193557

Ugly women are getting fucked by better men still, just not getting their commitment. The fat single moms you always hear about.

>>56194071
those are all hideous looking

>>56194237
>Even the dumbest men out there would not marry just because of a nice pair of titties or a nice ass.
thats the most gay thing anyone ever said

>>56194237
>tattoos
>egregious piercings everywhere
retarded trash

>>56192154
sex sells
There has never been a tool that made (some) men have sex so easily as tinder.

>>56192513
There's just more better looking people out there, that's it. Yes, back then it was easier, now competition is much harder but i can also guarantee you there are woman on tinder now that would laugh at the possibility of being on a dating app 10 years ago.
And you can still get laid easily (as long as you get matches).

>>56193557
were you actually born yesterday?

>>56192154
I create fake accounts with No Hymen No Diamond memes to get women to rage quit the app
I think many women who use Tinder are smart enough to know they're whores, but the memes help them realize it since they've probably buried it under tons of cope

>>56200281
lol devilish
I used to have a fake account with a super hot guy and everytime i matched with a certain type of girl, if i got a match notification i would immediately unmatch, if they sent me a message, i would immediately unmatch
I never got so demoralized as a bitches doing this shit to me

>>56200281
>>56200332
this are the people giving you financial advice

>>56200349
I guarantee i have made a lot more money than you in crypto.

>>56193912
>190cm
>married
>is confused why women are now interested in him
lmao

>>56198251
My personal bar for entering into a deal with idea guys is that they need to have a trademark or copyright on whatever revolutionary "quirk" they bring to the table.
From there, it's a signed contract for a percentage of ownership, and the understanding that there is no competing with big players.
If the idea never gets grabbed, I get to make the repo public for "visibility" sake. I'll put their contact info on it, and give them additional credit in the Readme, but that's that.
They get to make whatever claims about being a start-up or "part of development" that they want, and I get another line on my resume. Not that I care much.
I'm not a freelancer, so I'm not starving for samplecode.

The only goal from there is making a hackey POC demo, funding a consumer study, and selling the idea to one of the aforementioned big players.
If I'm not being paid upfront, then it'll get done when I have the time.

It still allows me the opportunity to participate, but really weeds out people with delusions of grandeur about "making it big".
I've only had 2 people pass that test, and neither have had success, but I don't think I've wasted my time.
It's pushed me out of my comfort zone, which is a nice change.
Maybe they'll actually break out someday and will actually be a beneficial colleague someday, who knows

>>56192154
use bumble instead

>>56192164
this

>race science on /g/
>dating science on /biz/
>religion on /sci/
>vax debates on /his/ and /lit/
This site is a mockery of itself.

>>56192493

its called seeking arrangement you give them money and you get the thing you want

>>56193074

>zoomers looking up from a phone

lol

>>56200349
Pee pee
Poo poo
You have
No value

>>56192154
I've brought this up in /pol/'s NPNW threads they if they want to make the movement actually impactful they need to target a single company at a time, and the best first target is Tinder. In many ways I think this company is more responsible for the ruination of dating and romance than almost anything else. Tinder is a pay-to-fuck service and it has functionally turned every woman into a prostitute, every man is a John, and Tinder plays the part of the pimp. It has reduced the entire courtship ritual down to a LCD of "Do you want to fuck me? Y/N" I can't think of a single thing that has made female companionship more worthless and unrewarding.

>>56200743
have sex

>>56200276
I was not, but thanks for asking.

>>56192170

yep! it was before women collectively became too picky. Back then a normal guy could get a 7 out of 10 girl. Now even a 5 thinks she is way out of your league.

It seems that the more women use these platforms the more out of touch with reality they get when it comes to expectations.

These days it's easier to get women in pubs than on dating apps. I lost the count of how many times i saw some friend say that he can get a pretty girl in real life but on tinder is either nothing or the bottom of the barrel.

tinder is a pretty cringy app, i used it to smash the finest hottest freshes piece of ass in my lifetime tho back in 2018, but I'd say that was a fluke

overall it's total trash

>>56200049
Gay and true
>>56200058
Never personally interested, but I bet she'd never hit on you.
>>56200349
These guys are unironically based af, I have a net worth of $10m and just might consider doing it for the lulz.
This is a legit practical way of doing your part in a culture war.
I'd even call it philanthropy.
Genuinely got me thinking that I should hire a bunch of filipinos to do it for me.
>>56200373
I am perfectly aware, anon. But when I was 20 I was bullying myself as if I was doing something wrong. I'm preventing young anons from doing the same mistakes.

>>56201791
>>56200276
>>56193557
Women make websites like "Are we dating the same man" because women are so dumb they get 'played' by a small number of men who are either attractive or have 'game'. This is made easier by the fact that in areas like major cities and universities, women usually outnumber men.

Sneed
A lot of the problems come from people living in the wrong areas. If you were using a dating app at a major event, like the olympics, you would probably get a bunch of skanks on vacation looking for cock. But dudes are in a small town in the middle of nowhere where the only woman is Mrs. Piggy wondering why there are no women to fuck.

A lot of this is because rent in cities is viewed as unaffordable. Historically a guy with a college degree could roll up and get a professional high paying job, but now entry level jobs in big cities are like "20 dollars an hour, in 5 years you can make 40" but that assumes you can pay rent over those 5 years.

>>56195097
maybe you're memeing but i unironically got a 4 years relationship with a 10//10 out of omegle of all places

>>56202586
unfathomably
based

>>56200429
are you my polish ex colleague?

I appreciate your autistic response, thanks. I too have operated in the manner, but never as the sole delevoper. I swoop in when the first money has come in and they're looking for a pair of hands that can also communicate. I love being in the driver's seat, I don't need to be the high level exec in meetings all day. Put me on the floor and have me push code. Work hard and get zooted.

>>56192154
desu amazed no one usurps them by just producing a better app that's less predatory.

>>56194237
u highly underestimate how much of a sucker some men are kek.

I only buy and use Tinder when I'm travelling solo in other countries. I'm average at best but always manage to get a few dozen decent matches and meet up with some women. In the US, it's a total crapshoot for me and has never lead to anything. Bumble is much better for finding an actual relationship.