/biz/ - Business & Finance

For me it's gold.

Diversity is our strength unironically

>>56119182
has gold even outpaced inflation over say the last 10 years or so?

>>56119196
Gold was around 1200-1400 a decade ago so yes

>>56119196
In september 2013 the price was ~$1300. Today it's ~$1900. So the answer is yes, for that particular time frame it did.
I hope you don't buy silver and hope to get your premium back with an attitude that prevents you from looking up the fundamentals yourself.

>>56119188
>>56119227
silver>gold

>>56119237
There is no case against owning both other than you can't afford gold. And not being able to afford gold while buying silver means you will be able to afford gold as well as silver soon enough. This is a WAGMI general.

>>56119239
Dw fren, it was just to trigger this silver fudder, but seems like he took a break for now.

>>56119254
I own silver.
Not everyone who laughs about your high premium semi-numismatics is a fudder, you know.

>>56119265
He says while displaying his high premium, lizard-stamped coins. You sure are a funny one.

>>56119274
>>56119254
Is this the new IQDELET method?

What do you guys think of pic rel?
It's supposed to be
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces95315.html
but me think it's a trap.

>>56119283
The hair and face seems odd compared to the version on Numista.

>>56119287
the edge. Auction ending in few hours btw, but it's sold as "silver coin" which is especially off-putting considering it took me 20s to identify it... Probably a fake the seller knows about, and they are playing it dumb trying to fool a credulous buyer..

>>56119281
No, not in the slightest. You know me, i'm a regular here... and you know silver is my personal crusade. I just can't let fuddies insult my precious moon-rock.

Nothing makes me feel more comfy than burying precious metals.

>>56119513
>Nothing makes me feel more comfy than burying precious metals
Squirrel hands typed this message!

fuck i ordered 1oz gold coin but accidentilly clicked collect in store.

I am scared to go out, do you think i can call them to arrange delivery? If i go in store do i have to wear a suit? This is a posh bullion dealer.

>>56119227

>>56119664
I said buy gold.

>>56119589
They have forgotten your face and stained trousers when you are out the door.
Also, for you this might be a high value transaction, but to them it's likely just $30 or so profit.

>>56119664
Top kek

I purchased a 5 ounce chad republic kek coin from a vendor with questionable reviews
Wish me luck

>>56119694
And I said stick a bar of silver up your ass

>>56119182
Crusader when?

>>56119928
2 more weeks

>>56119182

Mornin boys.
Time to rustle up some grub. then we can get back to work. How bout those beans and coffee?

What would happen if I bought some Titanium?

>>56120142
(Ti)tanium is too abundant to be precious.

>>56119928
now

>>56119283
>>56119287
>>56119292
If its fake then its a good one, link to the auction? how much did it sell for?

>>56120486
Sold for 66€
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/256212575210
Just... no way bro..

>>56120523
Yeah its def kinda sketchy, but at 66€ it might've been worth the dice roll.

>>56119188
>>56119227
every /pmg/ starts with some faggot bad mouthing silver
yup, gonna stack more of it

>>56119589
they're probably used to slovenly looking shitbags buying lots of PMs, fren

>>56119664
The hands should be all the way to the edge, making the roundness of the coin part of the hole. Pic related

>>56119729
you'll be ok. nobody is gonna fake that shit lol

do they make newly minted small silver coins?
i don't want to pay extra for old coins, i just want large piles of coins instead of 2-3 large ingots

Good deal for the interested scrap Chads :
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/155770547147

Only 8mn left though. Enjoy

>>56119182
>Katzen
silber

>buy gold, it's a hedge against inflation
ok
>inflation 14%
>gold up 4%
>lost money

>>56120779
i have some 1/2 oz silver rounds but the premium is expensive
US junk silver is probably still your best bet if you want small silver coinage

>>56120846
ok. go buy some tech stocks if you think that'll give you more gains
me, i'm gonna keep stackin

>>56120917
I'll swap currency instead, I live in the EU, but my country has independent currency so I can swap to USD/EUR while my currency dives and I will make more than by buying gold, really makes me think.

>>56120757
I'll post when it arrives (or doesn't)

>>56120963
hmm yes, buying and selling on the forex market. great plan. definitely comparable to stacking

>>56120657
Doubt it.
There is a youtube video somewhere about a company that was created to "grade" old school classic video games and such. The problem is all these people are doing is pump and dumping their own inventory. They did the slurping a long time ago and are now trying to create a grading scale and trademark to sell these items to retards who want to overpay.
That's not to say these things are valuable, it's just that any premium you could ever get in owning them has already been collected by someone else. All that is left is time find people who have a hole in their pocket willing to splurge on a piece of nostalgia. They could very well be worth $50-100 but no way in hell they go higher. The only reason they can even command those prices is because the American Dollar is still commanding a massive value and sucking the world's resources into our nation. The second there are severe hard times you better believe people will be unloading these luxury collectibles at the drop of a hat.

>>56120846
i think of "hedge against inflation" is misunderstood. it's not a normal inflation but hyperinflation.
let's take a rhodesian man and give him either 100k rhodiebux or 1000 ounces of gold. he's not allowed to use it for 25 years.
in hindsight which would be the better choice?
if i gave a zimbobwean man the same thing which should he choose?
weimar germany? venezuela?
they'd all choose the same thing: Gold.

if a fraction of my paycheck can be used to buy an ounce, while that same fraction is worth 3 months of another man's pay why wouldn't he choose gold?
no matter where you are, if your country's currency goes to shit there will always be one currency worth something.
it's like a cheat code for never being hyper inflated into poverty.

>>56121105
yeah, faggots today think stuff in the grocery store going up 15% is "hyperinflation". they haven't seen shit

>>56120786
>scrap

Hey Frogfren, I just got back from an estate sale about 1 mile from my house, besides other cheapie antiques not pictured I got a minimally used and perfectly functional Garrett Ace 250 metal detector for $20, costs over $200 new without accessories so a fair price for a spare i can lend to my dad and frens.

I mined out the jewelry area, everything was $4 each so I grabbed a 13.6g sterling Harley Davidson ring which might be worth flipping instead of just scrapping, then 2 10 karat gold bits weighing 1.5g for another $8. Only about $48 in total melt value but the price was right.

Probably my best score at just $3 was a leather-bound and gilt-edge 270 page book with hundreds of pictures showing the properties, power plants, mills etc that were part of the Pacific Gas & Electric system in California in 1911, very cool to look at. I need to research more but it seems quite rare and likely valuable, rich califags love blowing lots of money on rare and interesting antique items like this. Happy hunting and good luck scooping the cheapies!

>>56121155
wow that's super comfy fren! Even though all your acquisitions are great, the book seems to be a real treasure. Do you mind posting few pages with illustrations? I'm really curious to see how it looks like inside.

>>56121027
>The second there are severe hard times you better believe people will be unloading these luxury collectibles at the drop of a hat.
when covid hit, boomer collectibles flooded the market and got dirt cheap. Some of them never recovered and probably never will.

any time you pay a collectible premium you're gambling that other people will want the same stuff you do. Which isn't going to be true forever.

>>56121261
>any time you pay a collectible premium you're gambling that other people will want the same stuff you do.
true, that's why you go for the universally liked: hot naked chicks

>>56120963
Guy telling* us FOREX is free real estate.
What else is new?

*I don't think this is fud nor shilling, dood is an idiot is all.

>>56120792
Lemme lick it!

>>56121279
150 years ago that would've gone straight in the trash, and in most of the world it's still haram.

history rhymes. We're due for another prudish episode. Or to be invaded by prudes. Either would work. I like the coin, but I'm not super thrilled about the square hips and pointy butt cheeks.

>>56121217
>the book seems to be a real treasure. Do you mind posting few pages with illustrations? I'm really curious to see how it looks like inside.

It is indeed a treasure, I'm happy to post some pics. Besides lots of photos of power plants, hydroelectric power houses and flumes and dams, equipment and all sorts of other cool stuff there are lots of images of /pmg/-relevant gold mining operations and infrastructure (such subject matter enhances the value of things like this), I'll post 3 pics but the whole book looks like this, an absolute steal for just 3 bucks.

crypto nerds will seethe

>>56121388
>/pmg/-relevant gold mining operations

A collage of c.1910 California gold-mining badassery

>>56120963
Go do that and stop posting here then. Nobody gives a shit about your paper debt currency. Here we're all trying to trade those toilet paper IOUs for something real, and nothing you say is going to convince us otherwise.

Wat is er zo moeilijk aan om een beetje te lachen en te groeten
Vrouwen doen een uur lang moeite om er goed uit te zien voordat ze de deur uit gaan en vervolgens lopen ze met een verveelde grafbek rond

>>56121414
And another, that should give you a sense for the quality of the book. If its not worth $300+ I'll probably just keep it in my collection, antique books as interesting as this don't show up too often.

>>56121261
I do think that some collector premium is valid and real. But for the most part much of someone's ability to collect derives not only from rarity and quality of the collector item, but also the PPP of the citizens who are doing the buying. The average person in this nation is impoverished and most of our purchasing power is contingent upon government spending as well as bank credit and the purchasing power of the dollar. If any of these things get rugpulled we will all be materially poorer. Some collectibles can survive that environment. Others will not. They will be seen as luxuries no one can afford.
The real litmus test is to consider how many ounces of silver/gold you give up to acquire said collectible and juxtapose it to a hypothetical scenario where PMs rise considerably. If we could safely assume that even in the worst case scenario of economic turmoil silver only does a 10x, would that environment be conducive to luxury collectibles also doing a 10x? That level of scarcity and impoverishment for the basic necessities leaves little room for people to spend $1000 on a VHS. Let alone $10,000. We've already seen price action of Rhodium and Palladium to know what these underdeveloped resources can truly do.

whats a good ratio of gold to silver in ounces? I remember someone saying for every 1 oz of gold you should have 40-50 oz of silver

>>56121435
whoops wrong pic, this was the 3rd gold-mining pic I intended to post, I'll refrain from spamming anons with any more.

Intradesting.

>>56121459
I just know this anon is based with a fat stack of gold

>>56121261
When the kung flu hit silver dropped to $14.

Daily reading :)

>>56121500
That’s the notional value of derivatives which is misleading. I’m assuming you probably have some idea as to what that means so I don’t want to talk down to you but if any anons want an explanation I’d be happy to

>>56121508
Based Luke enjoyer. I need to read that some more. I Am leading a Bible study class on John this fall. Not a theologian but am about 2 classes short of a degree in theology and I specialized in John (basically the gospel, his letters) and apocalypse (revelation, also written by John), exodus, Ezekiel, Daniel.

>>56121531
John is beautiful. The philosophy of it, justifying Plato’s ideas of Logos and the Godhead are mind-blowing to those who know.
Absolutely divinely inspired.
Luke is nice too. I see today’s passage as pertinent to stacking - what good fruit has Fiat currency brought us? Nothing hut misery, genetherapy, endless war, and indoctrinated children.
We have to remember that you can tell the tree by its fruit. People forgot that bit of wisdom.

>>56121500
I just read a book called "the great taking" which basically makes the case that in Europe and America the brokers are selling "security entitlements" while simultaneously allowing for these very same securities (owned by the DTCC) to be used as collateral for other loans. So you and I are being sold securities that MAY be simulatanously pledged for senior creditors who will be able to take our ownership in the event something bad happens.
This looks to me like a way to clear the boards of overleveraged trades, naked short selling, and bogus derivatives by essentially being able to pull everything off the table and actually account for what is real away from prying eyes.
It's a simple book available for free and you can read it in 2 hours. Pretty confusing given how many acronyms and different agencies and regulatory bodies are in existence. Worth a read and has me second guessing things I own in my brokerage knowing I am basically nothing more than an unsecured creditor that is owed nothing more than an insurance payout that is underfunded 50 times over.

>>56121508
Did you read the article about how they confiscated all the silver and gold? That was interesting.

>>56121550
Well put anon. In addition to the philosophy of the Bible, I find the numerology to be perhaps the most fascinating part. “Mark of the beast” - in Greek, mark means to mark as with a pen or marker and also was the word to imprint on currency. That is, Roman Fiat of the day was marked with the image of Caesar Nero who was called the beast. Caesar Nero, when you add up gematria = 666

>>56121459
>butte county
heh

>>56121508
So basically this passage is saying I'm an irredeemable asshole. Thanks Jesus.

Even though I'm probably going to get a St gaudens, are there any meme commemorative 1oz gold coins I might buy?
I don't mind a little premium. Maybe not 50% like some of the high relief us mint shit.

>>56121582
That’s a good one! Reminds me of the number of fish that Peter catches. The Bible is very particular about numerology. In the case of Peter, Christ helps him to catch 153, Jewish Numerology for “Ani Elohim” or “I am God”. This is why Peter Freaks out.
Brilliant stuff. To connect it back to coinage, here’s a beautiful coin portraying that very scene!

>>56121553
>"the great taking"

I had never heard of it until my nigga Parallel Systems posted a worthwhile video about the book 7 days ago:
https://youtu.be/IIoGu692a64
A few days later the flabby boomoid maneco64 spread the word further, paperbacks are like $8 and hardcovers just $18, haven't read the digital version yet as I'm getting some physical copies for myself and a few people but it seems pretty important and enlightening.

>>56121514
Go for it, as i have little clue what derivatives they are talking about.
I just know that i'm in the shell of the second cube, once you subtract the smallest cube from it.

>>56121574
which verse was that?

>>56121313
>in most of the world it's still haram.
Makes the price go up all the more.
Highly desirable, hard to get.

https://sdbullion.com/1915-austrian-gold-100-corona-restrike?utm_source=findbullionprices.com

Why are these so cheap? What's the catch?

>>56121628
The Scottsdale mint 5 Barbosa 1 oz gold for $2023 right now ,not a bad deal since it's a governments coin

>>56121388
>>56121414
>>56121435
>>56121459
Fantastic, the condition looks great too. The author wouldn't believe his eyes if you could send him modern pics of Commiefornia. It's.. probably for the best we can't, kek. He deserve some rest.

>>56121313
The fuck are you talking about lmao?
150 years ago, the Birth of Venus still was a common theme displayed in your most prestigious museums and enjoyed by your bourgeoisie. Just like 250yo, 350yo, 450yo and 2000 years ago.
Pic rel literally is 150 years old (Gibson) and is pretty much what anon posted. Museum of Arts is a pretty comfy trash for the time, no? Where was the prudish outrage?

Are you calling Botticelli a haram coomer too?

how about these 1/4 oz coins? discounting the minimal shipping cost it is still really close to the check/wire price of a 1/4 oz gold eagle on monument.

>>56121768
Not digging that, but I like pic related and it's in stock for a reasonable premium.

Ironically I think I should buy a second actual parrot instead, lol.


Unrelated thing I just noticed. "Gold IRA"
Is this the most retarded thing ever? It's the worst of both worlds. You let someone else hold it, but you don't get interest.

>>56121871
The problem with fractional gold is the total spread. The premium isn't too bad for an eagle, but if you sell you won't get as much as you would per weight than you would from a full ounce.

>>56121632
Nice coin indeed

>>56121678
Any derivative derived its value from something else. This could be stock options, silver futures, interest rate swaps and the list goes on. Notional represents the theoretical amount of an asset under control. I think Comex contracts are on 10k Troy ounces so you’d take spot times the amount of ounces and there’s your notional. In the land of stocks, I could buy a contract on $SPY with a strike of 500 right now. I’d control around $45k worth of spy theoretically and it would only cost the contract premium. I could buy a contract with 5 DTE for like a penny and still control those stocks theoretically. Realistically I donated money buying the contract

I bought a roll of the new Asahi year old the dragon rounds. I think the design is a little too busy.

>>56121957
>I think Comex contracts are on 10k Troy ounces
5

>>56121853
>the Birth of Venus still was a common theme displayed in your most prestigious museums and enjoyed by your bourgeoisie
anon isn't of the bourgeoise. The common man during the victorian era didn't have access to that, and wouldn't have liked it if he did. Even the wealthy didn't admit to enjoying the female nude in a lustful manner, that would have been outrageous even amongst their peers. They admired the work of the ancients for its art, but laughed at the animalistic themes and topics portrayed. It's a wonder any of it survived, the west 150 years ago was as prudish as islam is now.

>>56121970
Yep you’re right and they do up to 100 oz of Gold.

>>56121961
I bet the dragon's side would look even better with a high relief version, and a matte finish too.
Otherwise i find the round pretty agreable to look at, i like it. The big let down is the font used for "year of the dragon", really cheap looking desu..

Picked up this baby today, it looks basically uncirculated

>>56122063
that does look insanely nice

Grug count shiny rocks: one pile 400, two pile 20, three pile 6. Moar shiny rocks.

Every once in a while We've had requests for movies/shows with gold themes. I just watched Netflix's "Russian Doll", which an arc includes a quest to recover Krugerrands stolen by druggies in the family. Trippy story of anachronism.

Goddammit fuck Bold. I ordered random year because it had the original AGE design advertised and they just sent me a 2023 anyway. I was excited to have this design.

>>56122109
>Netanyahuflix
pouah!
Purge your eyes & soul with picrel fren, it's a treasure hunt for gold nuggets, taking place in 1900's Japan and Russia after the war of 1904. (ps : not suitable for kids at home if you are a dad, it's pretty violent).

>>56122132
damn that sucks

>>56121957
well that's the whole point isn't it
all this money is fucking fake

>>56121961
yeah not a fan
i'm sick of the chinese dragon shit honestly
i want good european dragons

>>56122132
I don't think Bold warehouses/vaults their inventory, they have somebody else do fulfillment and vaulting and Bold is just the sales team. I might be totally wrong about this but it's the impression I get from having 3-4 conversations with their customer service reps.

>>56122422
that would be surprising given that bold often has really good prices

Can I stack pure oxygen without a license?

Taco time!

Don't forget to sub for the reverse Morgan/Peace set

>>56122109
Did you at least pirate it? You don't actually pay for goyflix, right?

Has anyone here read this? It's truly shocking what has been set up across the entire world. Basically, any security you have can and will be taken in a financial crash with the collateral takers having full legal protections. This applies to the US, Canada, UK, Eurozone and pretty much everyone in the G20. Securities are no longer treated as property, but as entitlements. The protected class are the banksters and there's law in place that protects them from being nationalized as that would absorb the assets they have stolen. I feel sorry for all the honest people in the world who are going to be fucked by all of this. When you have the banksters owning governments who write the laws protecting them, is it any wonder why they can get away with this shit with impunity.

>>56122730
I just read it last night. Pretty terrifying if what he says is true. I didn’t peruse the appendix or sources yet

>>56121628
This is the only one I would consider buying. Otherwise I might as well just keep stacking krugs.

for the people who were asking to get their names down early, feel free to just send an email to that address. no need to include any details at this point. i'll send emails to those accounts for shipping info once the process actually gets going.

>>56122744
where'd you find that one? that's a nice design

>>56121677
What is interesting is that the book focuses entirely on the the legal structures behind the ownership. He alludes to a “they” but does not bother going further. I remember reading the protocols and they speak exactly of a major economic crash that will have us eating from their hands like dogs. Not sure if they can pull this off, but the system is effectively unsalvageable on a long enough timeline. Shit will implode, and only then will we be tallying up the zeros.

>>56122820
I didn't either, but considering all the direct quotes as well as the Fed and EU official papers in the PDF itself, it's fair to say the guy is legitimate with these claims. He went a off the rails a bit in his conclusion section, but you get his fury considering everything he's seen. Nobody Special Finance wants to try and get hold of him for an interview, so that will be an interesting watch if it happens.

>>56121743
They're cheap in euroland too. I guess they must have minted many of those austrian restrikes for the US "collector" market, after 1935. There's nothing technically wrong with them, but I don't l ike them as much as krugs. Also they're not exactly 1 ozt, you have to multiply the price by 1.02 to get the equivalent price (ditto with the hungarian 100 korona).

how much gold do you have?

to be in 1% you need at least 41oz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5HQ1b1xPo

>>56122882
Really? That's what, $80k?

>>56122838
I live in Russia.

>>56122882
actually it's 4oz. try watching the video you posted, doofus

>>56122838
I haven't been lurking /pmg/ much lately, can I get a qrd on what this is about?

>>56122896
>80k
>In non-appreciating assets
>In a world where many people don't even have enough savings to cover a major car repair
Seems like a plenty decent filter to me, especially given that the current thing to do is investments, so even people with that kind of money around wouldn't keep gold.

>>56121313
>art of naked women has only recently become popular
Strange b8 m8 I r8 8/8

>>56122004
You are clueless about history, buddy.

I was given a bag of round 50 cent pieces for helping my grandparents paint their house
Not only did I get to spend the day with them I got cool coins too
Weekend well spent

>>56122004
>Even the wealthy didn't admit to enjoying the female nude in a lustful manner, that would have been outrageous even amongst their peers.
My Nigerian, one of the first films ever produced with one of Tom Edison's recording cameras was a naked woman walking down the stairs. It wasn't cheap to produce and the guy who made it showed it to all of his friends because of course he was proud of it. Lewds have always been a sought after commodity and the more novel the better.
>picrel a coomer statue from the year 21000 BC. This probably belonged to some warlord and he fapped over it every night between mammoth hunts

>>56122850
How many people believe a massive hyperinflation will basically be them getting a free house and their portfolio will increase and will generally be able to survive after a few months of chaos? The banks have been lending and they will claw back all they can. The elite will need to recapitalize the banks somehow and they don’t want to do is solely on the back of the gold and a dollar collapse. Makes me think the dollar will survive if they can force everyone to eat the bond losses and then claw back every last mortgage and equity.
Lots to think about here…

>>56122943
for these. i want to get 100 or so made late this year / early 2024.

>>56121961
I bought one of these instead (the 1 oz version).

>>56122712
No, I didn't pirate it.
Nor will I - it wasn't that great a show.

>>56122902
that' makes sense then :) i was going to order one of the 3 rouble ship coins earlier today and found that there are way more designs for those coins than i realized.

>>56122421
This one's pretty gud, and doesn't cost too much (got one for 34 euros).

>>56123044
Frenmarkanon tried that and it didn't work. Do you have a different idea to get it done?

>>56123096
i heard the issue was more with the funding site than with a mint being willing to make it. i was just going to pay upfront to have them done so there wouldn't be any issue with idiots reporting the page. was that not the issue? i wasn't around when there was a funding campaign for it, or at least never saw/heard about it till pretty recently.

>>56121883
Finally got all these assembled for a group shot.
Maybe it'll help you pick, if you weren't yet decided on the parrots.

>>56123062
>No, I didn't pirate it.
>Nor will I
Wew lad imagine actually paying for streaming.

>>56123080

>>56123096
From what I remember the main issue was with the pozzed funding sites (((shutting it down))) not sure about the mint itself, but I wouldn't count on them being Based enough to actually mint Frenmarks I could be wrong though maybe they would idk. Another issue was the absolute SCREEETCHING about yes hat vs. no hat.
t. Frenmark order 88 last order made before it got (((shut down)))

Idk how it is in the rest of the world but the gold and silver premiums in Canada are insane. The current price of 1 oz of silver in CAD is $30.62. The cheapest 10oz bar I can find online is 348.59

>>56123080
3 roubles is just a standard for 1 oz silver coin, about 20-30 designs each year. Bullion form of 3 rubles is this one. Some random Niue is sometimes cheaper but less liquid I guess. But also you can be pretty sure that nobody will fake these Liz II "collectables", because there are like 100 thousands varieties of them.

>>56123105
meant for you >>56123158

>>56123141
Golly, you're so cool.

>>56122882
116 krugs

>>56122946
They're gonna lose it all too. I didn't read his book with all the fine legal details >>56122730 but the big picture was obvious.

>>56122902
It's a really great coin! Too bad about sanctions, or I'd try to buy one.

>>56123149
>>56123080
I do not know why, but the old coins weigh more than 34 grams and therefore they have 900 ag

>>56123133
Lol, we have an African grey parrot and I really should get it a mate (and obviously figure out what gender it is.) But I appreciate the photo regardless. Even if I get a different gold coin I can always get the silver one. This is a rare example where I would actually buy the colored ones. Thanks!

>>56123017
No fren, the dollar has no chance to survive. The banksters are simply trying to buy some time so they can bring in a CBDC, with all the terrible implications. They've known for quite some time that the dollar isn't salvageable. You can watch the Catherine Austin Fitts interviews on planetlockdownfilm.com if you want the big financial picture.

>>56123105
I’ll just Zelle you the money for it when you get it done.

>>56123017
The dollar will survive because it can be printed to infinity. Remember, this is how the game is played. Debasement is just part and parcel of it. Shit reminds me of the Architect from the Matrix where he says "This will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it".

>>56122838
What adress?

>>56122063
Beauty. I have been eyeing some 10 dollar 1913s on ebay. Where did you get it?

>>56123245
>dollar
>cbdc
Normies won't notice the difference. It will be an "under the hood" change. It will still be "the dollar" as far as anyone knows. The only difference will be that instead of multiple banks keeping each other and the government honest, it will be basically in game currency in an MMORPG. The admins (IRS/Fed/FBI/CIA/NSA) will have total control and oversight of your spending. They won't immediately abuse this power. It will be slow enough that no one will remember it was any other way.

Just like now with paper fiat and ledger money. No one alive has an innate concept of a "dollar" that's based on gold.

>>56123304
Nice coins fren. How many Troy ounces are in that pic?

>>56123202
>They're gonna lose it all too
Yeah, that house of cards is going to ruin lives when it falls.

>>56123290
There will never be hyperinflation because that destroys debt slavery. The dollar isn't based on any commodity, so traditional concerns don't affect it. It's based on debt, and debt is infinitely accrueable and infinitely forgivable, so they can jewish calvinball their way out of any situation.

>>56122838
what email? I need in

>>56123298
>>56123345
Literally look at the post he posted

>>56123320
>They won't immediately abuse this power. It will be slow enough that no one will remember it was any other way.
Their timelines of 2030 and 2050 says otherwise. They'll leverage their new powers immediately.

>>56123333
Checking them quads!

>>56123357
oh lol on mobile I couldn't see it, thanks

>>56123369

Fresh

>>56123320
CBDC isn't going to happen. It's a crypto nerd fantasy. When, not if, the dollar collapses most of the world is going to eat a shit sandwich. And they are not going to accept some Fed magic shitcoin right after they got the final USD rugpull. Whatever replaces the USD as international currency, it will not be coming from Federal Reserve computers. The US government might try to force it on the American people, but that will fail also because Americans are heavily reliant on foreign trade and nobody else is going to take CBDC. The USA will have to go along with whatever the world demands for trade and that will end up being used domestically as well. Even if Americans are dumb enough to take digital internet money, the rest of the would will not and it ends there.

>>56123334
The value of the dollar depends on supply and demand. If they jack up the supply too fast they will have hyperinflation whether they like it or not. That's why the Fed is willing to suffer political heat to try and reign in bank credit right now. But Federal spending is outside their control.

>>56123480
Implying that the dollar isn’t already a digital currency. Did the government print $12 trillion in new bills in 2020 or just move a few bits and bytes on a database?

>>56123328
About 2.20 troy oz. That set is on ebay for $58,000 CAD lol. I have a few of these in MS-63

>>56123361
I'd consider that gold kek if it looked better and the premium wasn't so high.

>>56123357
>>56123369
Same, couldn't see on mobile, have read the entire thread 3 times now. Thought i was overlooking something.

>>56123538
>>56123345
frenmint@proton.me

international people are welcome to email, too. i'll ask you guys to at least cover shipping though when we get there.

>>56123504
The dollar is not a CBDC. Those are digital only, meaning you can't go to the bank and withdraw cash in the form of Federal Reserve notes and coins.
> inb4 nobody uses cash now
A lot of people don't, but at least the option is there. You can buy food, other goods, even pay some bills in cash (which is what I do, as much as I possibly can).

>>56123480
>>56123492
I'm afraid you don't understand how debt based currency actually works. There isn't a commodity for it to hyperinflate against. There's no way for it to "collapse" so long as the IRS can enforce tax and only accept federal reserve notes. Anything you can speculate occurring can be resolved with the stroke of a pen. In most cases the net wealth transfer will favor the rich. If some large institutions are in infinite debt, they will just forgive it.
>crypto nerd fantasy
You obviously don't understand cbdc or crypto. They are different things and the crypto nerds don't want cbdc. If you are conflating them you are falling for the exact trick they want you to.
>it has to collapse
That's what you call a boomer proper fantasy.
>>56123504
Exactly.

>>56123504
Not implying that at all. My point is that when the dollar fails it is not going to be just a matter of the Fed substituting some new fiat currency. Too many people will have suffered too much to just buy into it again. The ONLY reason the world accepted the USD in the first place was the promise of gold backing. The USA treacherously breached that agreement. When the USD ultimately eats it, the USA's day in the sun will be over.

>>56123576
With inflation, the currency loses value against ALL commodities. It is happening now and has been happening since the USA left the gold standard.

>>56123575
You will be able to draw cash with cbdc. It will be exactly the same from the consumer perspective. They will just subtlety phase out cash slowly, despite what >>56123361 says about timelines. They took over thirty years between taking gold out of circulation and debasing the silver coinage. Shortly after that they removed the restriction on privately held gold. The target was never the people, it was the banks. The mob boss doesn't fear the citizen, he fears the other mobsters. Once the accounts are all on one server, individual banks aren't needed.

>>56123608
Yes, inflation is allowed and, in fact, necessary. They allow inflation to destroy held wealth and force you to use banks or invest.
What will never happen is hyperinflation. That would remove debt slavery. If everyone can pay off their student loans and mortgage with two paychecks from McDonalds, then the system loses it's ability to seize property and garnish your wages.
Y'all don't get it.

>>56123630
>What will never happen is hyperinflation.
I disagree with this because CBDC won't be the USD, it will be its own currency. The USD will be phased out with hyperinflation meaning no one will want to hold it and all nominal debt will be paid.

>>56123615
>You will be able to draw cash with cbdc.
You're 100% wrong. There won't be any cash AT ALL. Having cash as an option defeats the main purpose of a CBDC, which is total control via the removal of anonymous transactions and ability to save money outside of the system.

>>56123630
If they implement the CBDC in time, there won't be any hyperinflation. Then they can just take whatever money they want from your account, they don't have to garnish wages or whatever. They will control the rules of who can buy what for how much (not necessarily the same prices for everyone) and they'll control the individual interest rates, inluding negative ones that affect your account.

>>56123690
>cash defeats the purpose
It will be exactly like last time. They took the gold and left the silver. Then they took the silver. Cash is such a small part of the economy that they can afford to leave it. Removing it would be too obvious. They will just disincentivise the use of it until it no longer exists, just like PMs. How many places can you go buy shit you need with gold or silver directly? Virtually none. It will be the same with cash.
>if they implement it in time...
They are patient. They will wait a generation before abusing the system to it's full potential.

>>56123666
The value of the Fed coin cbdc will be measured in dollars. No one will notice the change. They turned an ounce of silver into a piece of paper. They turned a piece of paper into a digital ledger entry. This has already happened twice. The next one is just changing bank ledger money into federal server money. It's the least noticable and the infrastructure is already in place. You really don't get it. It's always been a scam at every level INCLUDING PMs! Gold and silver were just a way to enslave farmers with debt by forcing them to sell crops to pay taxes. It's just a more honest enslavement tool.

>>56123816
>The value of the Fed coin cbdc will be measured in dollars.
It won't be the USD, it will be a different dollar because pegging CBDC to dogshit currency defeats the purpose of using a new one.

It might not be rolled out this way, but eventually cbdc currency will have an expiry and/or negative interest rate built in
You will be forced to spend it or lose it.

>>56123866
That's the gayest fucking thing and millionaires and billionaires wont stand for it, just like they don't stand for taxes.

>>56123869
>implying they won't be exempt like taxes

>>56123816
> Gold and silver were just a way to enslave farmers with debt by forcing them to sell crops to pay taxes.
Gold and silver are real, honest money, hombre. Virtually no usury/inflation before 1913. That's why they made the Federal Reserve notes mandatory for paying federal taxes, so they could fuck you real good. They couldn't do that with real money.

> It's just a more honest enslavement tool.
Nothing the banksters have ever done was honest. Everything they do is a usurious scam, and they rely on people not understanding. This is not a new discovery (pic related).

>>56123816
you're an idiot

cant afford my credit card bills so im cred maxxing with gold. is this based or retarded or both. i need financial advice

>>56124000
The big crash might not happen for a long time yet, if at all in our lifetime.So I wouldn't bet on the notion that everything will get ground up and washed away for us with a free restart for everyone.

>>56119928
Hey remember me? it’s the only guy on this board who criticizes mintanon. Remember when I said the Crusader wouldn’t arrive until October? You’ll get it October if you’re lucky. The guy still won’t make updates on his site. Won’t make frensmark. Pretty lame.

>>56124000
Seems insanely retarded. Why are you in the negatives at all?

>>56123320
The problem with this is what happens to all of the losses? Everyone will still get wiped out, the only problem will be whether the elite have a big enough carrot to get everyone back on the CBDC. I almost wouldn't even be surprised if there was some sort of UBI attached to it to keep people interested in it.
Doesn't really change my gameplan at all, I'm just curious to what extent the elite have thought all of this out. And as a matter of game-theory can we nail it down exactly how this all unfolds ahead of time?

>>56124088

>>56124088
i'll wait till 2024 if i have to. it's just a meme coin

>>56124088
how are your ASEs doing ahahahahahahahha

>>56123466 (checked)
Damn fren 80oz all at once? Very nice.

>>56123959
>t.triggered boomer
>>56123834
>different dollar
No. We're the federal reserve notes and peace/Morgan dollars different? Was one pegging the other? You don't get it.
>>56123899
>usery
That's a second order enslavement tool. Tax on land only payable in silver is primary enslavement.
>banks
Banks (until central banking) are second order. The State is the offending party here. The difference between forcing you to sell crops for silver and forcing you to sell your crops for reserve notes isn't much, and you can be just as userious with gold and silver as you can with paper. Paper just makes fractional reserve created ledger money more efficient. I guess that's why you can consider gold and silver more honest.

>>56124125
It will be long term and involve evil shit like reverse interest money. There won't be huge losses up front until they are ready.
>ubi
Closer to the 2020 checks, but they can potentially force you to spend it on certain things or by a certain date. I'm sure this is how they will "temporarily"introduce this shit.
It's all imaginary anyway, and as long as people go along with it they can do this forever.

>>56122132
F

>>56120142
best way would be a knife or pen from a well known maker.

>>56122132
I ordered a tube of random year ASE's that were all 2010

>>56124221
Accidently. Linked account for 40oz wire. Didn't complete it. Ordered 40 elsewhere but they held me to it days later. Otherwise $35+ cancelation policy.

>>56124321
That seems normal. They probably have tubes organized by year and just grab one for those orders.

>>56124337
the point is they weren't 2023

>>56123582
You are maybe not considering the possibility that instead of the dollar going to zero it goes to $500,000 to exchange for an ounce of gold. In this scenario the dollar still exists but it has been dramatically revalued.

>>56120142
>What would happen
You would have some titanium.

>>56124358
My bad. My guess why they sent a 2023 is that they had listed that there were 2 left when they just only had 2023's or desirable years so they sent that. I was hoping to get 2016 or 2020

>>56120142
Make bullets, just incase

>>56122956
Name of coin?

>>56124597
https://www.coinsberg.com/shop/product/au140-australia-1-dollar-year-of-pig-lunar-lenticular-coloured-silver-coin-2007-24106

>>56123160
For online bullion dealers that is not far off pricing in the US. If you pay with a credit card the cheapest 10 oz bars are around 250-260usd. Pay by bank transfer is 240s.

>>56122956
Looks like a POG Slammer. Not my kind of thing.

>>56124088
>Hey remember me?
>it’s Eggnig the ASEfag, the only guy on this board who has an IQ low enough to believe $42 was the floor for ASEs
>Remember when I said that 200% premiums for ASEs were imminent?
>Yeah, as the most ass-gaped retarded faggot on earth I am now financially ruined, but my narcissism made me forget about bankruptcy and set aside the shotgun I was about to administer my 12 gauge enema with to whine and cry once again about someone else not investing dozens of hours of work to make that frensmark I desire almost as much as today's routine pozzload delivery
>no, I'm far too special and clearly too busy building my basement mausoleum of fermenting piss-jugs and cum-encrusted ASE order-forms to actually do anything for myself, so I'll deploy basic-bitch tactics like calling people lame to cajole them into doing things for me, surely this 67th episode of whining like an impotent bitch will finally work!


KYS

>>56124186
this, Im in no hurry

>>56124316
I want a Beryllium knife, with a normal sized low density porous composite handle it could float in water. I'd get some poor ignorant 'jeets to sharpen it so the toxicity is NMP.

>>56124693
Kek

Getting comfy 2013-2019 vibes rn for metals prices (USA). Eternal crabbing, at spot deals, premiums cratering. Good time to load up before the premiums/spot rise next election year. Ordered some 90% from monument.

On a separate note, things are not comfy for those who hold yen not pms. Coming soon to all.

>>56124693
I remember when ASEtard showed up, I liked arguing with him about eggs, and their relative price calculated in ASE as opposed to generic silver. Good times, better times.

>>56124881
>I remember when ASEtard showed up, I liked arguing with him about eggs, and their relative price calculated in ASE as opposed to generic silver. Good times, better times.

Kek, if you were the based Eggfag-antagonist I recall I think you broke him down and got him to agree to trade 12 of his gay eggs for a generic or Asahi round, with him coping by generously offering to sell 13 of his retarded LARP eggs for one of the precious ASEs he so fetishizes and covets.
Eggnig ASEfag would be gorging on a bottomless buffet of crow-flavored humble pie if he weren't such a coward, funny how he disappeared for months right after ASE premiums fell off a cliff and he only returned when anons started talking about the frensmark again. It's repulsively pathetic and means that he has been lurking in shame since this Spring; the only halfway wise choice he ever made in his life, but he just couldn't resist oozing back above the surface to broadcast his cringe obsession with an unremarkable memecoin concept when it became an active topic among actually decent anons again. When I recommend anheroing to others it's in jest, but for someone as loathsome as eggfag suicide would truly make the world a better place.

>>56124693
my sides

I think I'm done with silver after 250oz, it's gold time now unless there's another dip

>>56124968
I was not the based Eggfag, but I believe I was one of the first anon's to explicitly call him retarded, and argue at length with him about eggs and their true value in ASE. He was pretty obstinate about the intrinsic value the ASE holds, so whoever got him to put down his self concocted koolaid has the patience of a saint.

>>56124859
>things are not comfy for those who hold yen not pms.
I believe 0hedge made an article earlier this week 'splaining nippons are in a PM buying frenzy as the JPY is crattering against everything else.
And the situation isn't likely to get any better for the poor japs, since the BoJ went full autistic and refuse (or can't) raise rates. They are the only central bank in the world still stuck at ZIRP. Actually, it's even worse than that : they still have negative interest rates (-0.10% iirc).
Since the BoJ control all the big companies of the country, they can still force local banks and corpos to slurp those zero yields awful Tbonds,... but that's it. Nobody else in the world purchased a single yen of japanese debt for a year now.

>>56125064
Nip natural resources are gone. Even Asahi is practically an American brand with their refineries being in fucking Utah. Alaska is the final frontier. That's where the last of the cheapies are.

>>56125054
Here is my thinking.
Set a ratio, say 1 part gold, one part silver, measured in €.
Right now that is: 10oz gold to 750oz silver.
Now, if gold prices drop, but silver doesn't, i would buy gold to get my ratio back. If silver drops i buy silver to get the ratio back.
This assumes that whatever goes down, goes up within my lifetime again. Sadly i'm soon 50 and don't have much time left to see the benefits from this.
Anyone else going into this with thoughts like that?

>>56125072
If you're 50 years old and think you don't have much time left and are posting here with cat pictures you probably have bigger fish to fry.

>>56125071
Nips never had resources to begin with. But they sure are slurping hard. Remember they are the 3rd largest silver ore importers worldwide, after China and worst Korea. Sure, most of it is used for the fabrication of electronic components, but i wouldn't be surprised if the % of it getting casted into bars is currently on the rise.
I don't know anything about it, but it would be interesting to see the regulations/taxation concerning PMs in Nihon. Because if the flight toward gold (and silver to a lesser extend) is getting a bit too high for BoJ's liking, they will most likely bake additional taxes over the purchase of PMs in the coming months. Probably invoking muh environment, or muh yakuzas' money laundering schemes.

>>56125089
>>56125089
>If you're 50 years old and think you don't have much time left and are posting here with cat pictures you probably have bigger fish to fry.
Like what?

Well, we want to retire at 55 or so, not much time for PMGs left. I totally ignored them so far, poured it all into other assets.

>>56125125
They need to reinvade Manchuria, their national slogan should be "People worship the rising sun more than the setting". Goes so fucking hard, and would be a great new slogan for another fanatical campaign on the Asian continent.

>>56124236
Silver tax, wheat tax, what's the difference?

>>56125161
What is going on there?

>>56125267
Drip, you wouldn't understand.

>my faggot state is increasing the tax on PMs

Fuck ZOG

>>56125242
The state doesn't want wheat (unless it does) because it's bulky and perishable. It forces the farmer to do the burden of transport and sale. It also creates power through the increase in perceived value of silver. You're far less likely to let your neighbor get fucked over of you aren't part of the money illusion.

>>56125371
Taxing the farmers by taking some of their harvest has been a thing for millennia. The government needs it to feed their soldiers. Meanwhile silver currency existed in parallel for the longest time. I guess you might argue that taxing using silver is more efficient than stealing crops, but that's not why people originally started using it, while the only point of fiat paper money is to rob the population of resources, right from the beginning. Big difference.

>>56121743
No catch. Oftentimes these are the cheapest gold in coin format.

The imprint is a bit on the shallow side and the KuK monarchy isn't that inspiring. (In addition to the fact that like 99.9% of them are restrictes)

>>56125413
>while the only point of fiat paper money is to rob the population of resources, right from the beginning
This is true. As soon as the bank of England was established in the 1600s they began to go to war with France, Spain and Russia with the explicit intent of bankrupting their nations. England could borrow their money into existence and the banking cartel were waiting in the wings ready to begin lending to these nations for the war effort. America refused to renew the first central bank charter and England went to war with America in 1812. And right after the Fed was created a major war broke out that was so expensive it literally bankrupted the entire world.
Bankers are scum and ought to be treated as among the greatest threats to humanity.

>>56124693
American Silver Eagles are 1 oz of fine silver, selling from the US Mint for 100 bucks and up.
I'd say that was one HELL of a premium, myself. Sadly a premium paid to the US Government, and not one you can USUALLY cash in on. I bought some ASE in an auction for 21 to 35 dollars a pop. Granted, that's still a premium, to the dealers, over spot.

>>56126155
Seems like there is a misunderstanding bucko. The US Mint always sell for the same premium, which is spot +3-4%. But they only sell to a list of approved (5000 iirc) participants, who all are bullion dealers with clean records and get rewarded limited allocations each year. And that's those (((dealers))) who add the insane premium, knowing the demand far outpace the offer. They pocket literally 100% of the markup, the US Mint didn't generate more cash in 2021 than in 2016 per oz. Or just a tiny fraction due to the spot spread in %, but they are supervized by the treasury, they can't start to scalp the american public for the lulz....

This is a nice coin. It's from the Czech Mint, located in the Czech Republic. But somehow it got issued by Niue (previous years even have the queen on them). That technically makes it a Niue coin. Why didn't the czech just issue their own coin?

>>56126286
Niue is just whoring this stuff out their primary export gotta be tricking other countries into minting stuff for them

>>56125054
250oz of silver is teensy weensy
keep stacking

Buying Eagles from the mint was new to me this year, so some info here might be inaccurate. That said...

>>56126155
>from the US Mint for 100 bucks and up
Those are the proof and reverse proof coins, and this year the premium was about $60.

>>56126212
>spot +3-4%
Those are the bright uncirculated.

Anyone can buy a very limited number of such coins from the mint, but they sell out within days. An Anon here informed us back in June as soon as they were offered (thank you!), and I got one pair of reverse proofs as a set: one Morgan, one Peace, for $185 (pic related). There was a limit of 5 per household at the time for those. A "subscription" just means creating a login for the US Mint site. Then the Mint started sending tons of announcements. I unsubscribed and it stopped.

>>56125054
This sounds reasonable, especially if you're going to accumulate for a long time. I started with Au,Pt, and Pd too recently.

After a few months of on-off searching for these, I finally found them! Some copper rounds my dad gave me about 10+ years ago and a silver coin I got when I made Eagle Scout rank. It isn't marked 999 fine silver but it passes the ping test, melt test and it's tarnishing like Ag so it must be. Not "adding these to the stack" but I might store them where I keep the rest of my metals.

>>56126734
don't forget osmium! metals are like pokemon. gotta catch em all!

>>56126769
>Posts only to shit on everyone

>>56126803
i just like gold 'n' silver
simple as

>>56125054
It's nice to have some gold. But realistically you have a grand opportunity to massively increase your wealth by focusing on silver. Here are some relevant facts to consider.
In U.S. history the Dow:Gold ration has reached 1:1 TWICE.
Historical silver:gold ratio is closer to 16:1.
Mining output is closer to 8:1.
Currently the GSR is 82:1.
By buying up silver at this historically cheap price you can eventually swap it for MORE gold than you could by chasing gold.
That is also not taking into consideration future demand from investors who will need to hide from inflation AS WELL as industry needing to secure the metal for production. If inflation runs rampant the physical supply will not be able to contain it and industry will be forced to price investors out. There is even a non-zero chance that silver could significantly revalue relative to gold for this very reason. The globe needs $1BN ounces of silver per year and we produce $800M ounces. That is not even enough for every American to have 3 ounces. That is not enough to give like 3 GRAMS to every person of Earth. The supply is about as tight as can be and even increase in price the mining industry has little in the way of being able to ramp up production quickly as many of silver we have comes from copper, zinc, and gold mines. Very few pure silver mines exist on earth the ones that do are uneconomical to develop and getting mines online for production can take close to a decade to begin production.
I own some gold only because of the monetary implications could be interesting. The fundamental case for silver will win every time though due to arbitrage.

>>56126734
Do not be distraught at the size of COMEX contracts. They are designed to be prohibitive to retail and mostly used for hedging and industry. You know how you can buy 1oz coins, kilos, 100oz bars with relative exactness? Well COMEX bars are imprecise and this actually allows the COMEX to demand an even HIGHER level of margin to accomodate the differential. Your bar may be 995 pounds of 1012. And because of that variance they price it in to controlling the contract as an extra level of deterrence.
Do not be dismayed. Back in Weimar there were exchange students slurping up entire city blocks with their gold backed dollars in the complete absence of stable currency. A few gold coins in that environment put you on a whole new level. I don't think things will get that bad here in Weimerica, but who the hell knows.

I honestly believe the reason people buy silver is purely because people like the idea of having a lot of something, even if gold is a more viable option. (For bongs atleast.)
People in the uk would prefer to buy silver that has VAT and capital gains tax over gold which doesnt have these restrictions all because the number of coins they would own is larger.

>>56126814
And that is why you are cool my man, and the dude over there is not.

>>56126856
>all because the number of coins they would own is larger.
hmm no i don't think that's the only reason, and acting like it is makes you look like a bad faith actor.

plus i would say it's quite rare to find a european who is based enough to know stacking silver even with the VAT (or finding various ways around the VAT) is worth it

>>56126816
Hopium in copious amounts.
I too like lottery tickets.

>>56126816
To add to this, the nature of capitalism demands cheap labor as all capital is attempting to earn a return for its investors. In this environment, if you do not have a very honed and technical skill, your labor will be worth little to nothing.
The most important thing to remember is the markets create a relative value that gives you the opportunity to move between things that are cheap and expensive to accumulate wealth. Buying things that are cheap and selling them when they are expensive seems like a simple concept, and it is. You just have to be able to do it consistently. Despite the massive amounts of suppression undergoing silver, all of the fundamentals point towards it being undervalued and likely due for a massive increase in price as above ground stocks are depleted in this high inflation environment. You honestly do not need to worry too much about your net worth in terms of dollars if you are younger and can wait for this correction to happen. Once the bond market implodes and the purchasing power of bank credit is not accepted to render goods and services your tangible wealth will be shining bright.

>>56126873
>i don't think that's the only reason, and acting like it is makes you look like a bad faith actor
Call him faggot and tranny next.
Then add a racial slur and insult his intelligence!

>>56126877
Relative value is real and trading is a great way to accumulate capital.
Tell me, fren, what is the logical conclusion for the $46TN bond market when the domestic economy is slowing down with a GDP of only $22TN? You would cause a depression if you stopped spending and paid back net-$1. Or do you assume we'll just continue deficit spending along the exponential curve ad infinitum? Could you please explain? Enlighten us all.

>>56126856
Silver has more industrial applications than gold though...

nowhere to get an ounce of silver near me, and i only have enough for a small amount, so i am considering buying copper pipe or something instead. i already have a small copper stash from stripping wire (about two kilos). how to get pure copper without premium? also add copper to those faggy little charts of yours.

>>56126934
dude, copper is for crack heads
just save money and buy gold/silver when you can

>>56126905
these people just suffer from normalcy bias. yes, we can just print money and increase interest rates forever and somehow this will all work out forever. or at least like 30 years so you might as well buy tech stock. this is what they think

>>56122578
whats that keyboard?

>>56122836
Its actually really rear to be able to get this in Hungary. You can only get fucking restrikes. Really popular, and everybody holds onto them

>>56126934
I have 100 pounds of copper pennies for exactly this reason. I also never spend any of my coinage because the materials are rare and energy intensive to extract and are undervalued like everything else. Also after paper currencies implode the coinage typically carries over to whatever replaces it. Look at this chart. It's priced in pennies not because of the copper per se, but it should be indicative of what the purchasing power of real and rare and useful materials looks like.

>>56126979
>It's priced in pennies
Priced in 90% silver dimes + pennies to be accurate.

>>56125413
>but that's not why people originally started using it
You don't know why and no one does, but it's definitely what it was used for in the history we know.

>>56126950
The most important thing people need to realize about monetary systems is they are multigenerational. No one alive has seen an entire cycle so aside from books and intellectuals interested in the subject you would likely be led to believe that everything will work out fine. At its heart the economy has been ruined because we stopped investing in infrastructure and manufacturing and tried to outsource it while we sold hamburgers to each other. Once people spent all their money and maxed out their credit cards we have little if anything to fall back on. Those people with jobs will stop consuming services and the whole thing can implode with only those capital intensive industries producing real goods will be left standing to keep us from starving.
There is no getting away from it. The economy at its heart is nothing more than land, labor, production, energy and mining. 100% of EVERYTHING we have and need to survive stems from those 5 things. We have luxury and services and all this extra shit because people are doing PRODUCTIVE WORK with the base-line resources we produce.
No amount of trickery coming out of banks, accounting or finance can avoid this.

>>56119182
Inflation is out of control. I'm gonna get some gold. What should I get an European?

>>56126979
So that 100 lbs contains about $146 in pennies and has a melt value of $380 for a profit of $234 at today's spot price for Cu.
Are you hoping for a moon in Cu, or is $2.34/lb what you consider a worthy mass:profit ratio?

>>56126885
Capitalism doesn't "demand" cheap labor. The price of labor rises to the highest level at which the entire supply can be utilized. Period. If there is an excess supply, the price will go down. If there is a shortage, the price will go up. The market will adjust either way. Capitalism doesn't "demand" anything except the freedom to trade.

>>56126940
crackheads steal copper because it has value. i want to buy copper. by all means point me in the direction of your local crakhead and ill hook them up.

>>56127038
>2.34/lb
I need more coffee. $2.61 per pound in profit.

>>56127037
>Inflation is out of control
And yet deflation is undesirable. Sounds to me that inflation is by design.

>>56127037
20 Francs, Brit Sovs are my go to's as a burger for Euro coins.

>>56127038
I have it as a contingency along with all the other steps I take to protect myself which include stocking up on food and other things. I think the LME price jumps in nickel and zinc (2022) are not mere blips. They did a 5x overnight and the LME literally needed to walk back trades to prevent themselves from blowing up. I think we are rapidly approaching a fundamental revaluation in commodities that will not occur until losses in the bond market and banking system manifest themselves and that exact revaluation will be the reckoning of the bond market as everyone holding dollars will be instantly impoverished. I have no idea if it will be beneficial to have copper in coin form, but I do have junk silver as a guide for how these coins disappeared and sold by weight. I see no reason not to toss a few hundred dollars at it.

>>56127045
>Capitalism doesn't "demand" cheap labor.
He's kind of right though. Semantics. Capitalism strives for profit, and three ways to do that are volume of sales, wages, and prices. Public companies are obligated to make a profit and maintain or increase share value - it's the promise made to buyers.
The point about profit from low wages is what the UAW strike is about now. Record profits, execs get higher wages, but line workers get none of that and have given up benefits to help keep the companies afloat during times when they needed bailout.
Capitalism as a concept is not friendly to workers.

>>56127102
Too bad that capitalism exists as corporatism in current year.

>>56127045
Sorry college libertarian kid. The border is kept open for a reason and that is to import cheap labor. The elite had a hissy fit over Trump wanting to close the border because everyone knows that labor is the largest single cost to a business and they need a steady stream of foreign workers to stifle attempts to unionize and undercut wages by increasing supply.

>>56127090
Those are looking good. What's the premium of them and are they easy to sell?

How large are they and how do they feel in your hand?

>>56126405
The Nieu and Tokelau gang, they issue more coins than anyone else. Here's another one, not technically slovak.

>>56126970
Yeah, I can only find restrikes. And they're very expensive too. So probably I just keep stacking low premium krugs, and only collecting some silver that's 35 euros and under.

>>56127037
It depends on how much you have to spend. If you have a lot, then get 1 oz coins with low premiums (austrian 100 coronas are also worth considering). Otherwise look into british sovereigns and LMU 20 francs.

>>56127206
>What's the premium of them and are they easy to sell?
Don't know, I just stack them.
>How large are they and how do they feel in your hand?
Kinda smaller than you'd think, but larger than a 1/10toz coin.

>>56127206
>>56127273
Forgot pic.

>>56127206
findbullionprices.com for 20 francs,
around 3.4 percent premium a coin and 5 coins equals .9335 troy oz of gold, so if it was a 1 troy oz you'd be paying 1989 close to a generic bar of gold for the amount of historic small coins, not bad ,that's how much i figure if something is a good premium or not ,just take the premium and make it 1 oz and compare it to generic gold bar prices

>>56127314
That's a good site. I was looking around and the premium I found was 13%.

>>56124693
lel.

>>56127045
and yet all big capital seems to be doing these days is squeezing labor as much as possible.

making labor take a bad deal is the easiest way to secure profit

>>56127109
>real capitalism has never been tried
yawn. you sound like a commie
maybe your picture perfect theories just don't fit into the complex world we live in

>>56127037
>What should I get an European?
The cheapest investment gold with the least premium (don't forget to add the shipping cost to the premium).
Look for Maple Leaf, Britannia, Krugerrand, Philharmoniker, Nugget, Eagle and so on.
Use comparison pages, like gold.de.

>>56127419
Let's think about this for a moment. If real equality existed then big business would have to follow the same laws as mom and pop shops. They don't, corporatism then flourishes.

>>56127493
A mom and pop diner by me was shutdown by the health department during the pandemic for staying open. They sued, went to the press etc, and in the end they lost, but the big chain grocery store literally across the street was open the whole time. Why can 1 store (with no property lease) sell meals to go to unmasked customers while another one faces bankruptcy for the same thing? Amazon didn't turn a profit for like a decade, but that spook affiliated investment fund kept doling out more money to them every quarter, with no concern about monetary repayment, while regular established small businesses all over the country were scrambling for sba loans with immediate payments due, just to try and stay afloat. The system is rigged. If you wanna play, you have to be willing to exit when the odds against you become too great. People may admire your resolve to fight, but they won't save you from the beast that is our current economic system.

>>56127206
3.xx% usually and about the size of a USA nickel

>>56127868
Every kike on Earth has to die. Anything else is sniveling cope.

>>56127922
based

>>56127868
>The system is rigged.
Yeah no shit that's why we don't have capitalism. Let me reiterate: if we didn't have (((lobbying))) or (((special interest groups))), and we had true equality under the law, we wouldn't live in this corporate nightmare world dictated by bankers.
>they won't save you from the beast that is our current economic system
Why do you think we're all here buying silver?

>>56119182
I wish my kitty was with me.

>>56128102
Sorry to hear fren. :,( How old was your cat when it passed?

>>56128123
She's still alive, just far away and I can't have her at school with me. : ( Thanks for asking anon.

>>56126816
"The Impending Silver Resource Extinction Crisis."
https://youtu.be/EtOB4_NFFsE?si=UXZWtc35Kw2HFa3d

>>56122730
>>56122820
>>56123202
>>56123333
>>56122850
>>56123017
"the great taking"
if everyone that has their shares of a stock under a broker and that broker has the final say since shares are under the brokers name i'm under the assumption they'll definitely be rugged, but, what if a holder has their shares DRS'd(direct registered shares)? With drs your name/share is directly registered in your name. With the coming crash, what if the company your invested in has next to no debt, like 99:1 ratio. will holders of said company and the company itself stay alive and holders intact through the rugging?

>>56128069
I agree brother. I was only emphasizing. I'm literally writing a check with my printer invoice for another 10ozes of rounds while I can still get it under $2 premiums. Fuck the jew banks.

>>56128145
Oh, well that's not that bad. What are you going to school for?
>>56128178
Keep on stacking fren.

>>56128209
>What are you going to school for?
Classics/ancient history.

>oh sweet, my otoya coins came in!
uhhh...alright, again?

>>56128150
Read the PDF my man, it will explain it all. You can skip the prologue if you're just want to read up on the legal stuff. Here's a sample of it. Full PDF is in the catbox link.

https://files.catbox.moe/c3tedz.pdf

>>56128150
>will holders of said company and the company itself stay alive and holders intact through the rugging?
It's hard to say what happens because they can rewrite the rules in whatever way benefits the people in power.

Yeah, I’m gonna ignore all the consensus manufacturing here. A little too much
>we
>our
>we’re
For my tastes. I’m going to buy another 75k of shares tomorrow and then I am going to DRS them. And to the short fucks pretending to blend here, I know there are others buying as much and as frequently as I am, and I know that because of your continued presence here. Why haven’t you dumb shits ever just tried to shut the fuck up for a few weeks?

>>56128218
God speed school Anon. Are you also working a part time job while in school? I did when I went to college and managed to pay off loans extremely quickly because it kept costs down. I wish I knew about donating plasma back then because I would have probably not needed loans if I did that too. But needles and blood isn't for everyone.

>>56128299
Why not just take that $ and go buy a 100:1 GSR? This is /pmg/ remember?

>>56128209
Hell ya. My wife just asked if she could have a 1/4oz round for jewelry or something after asking to look at the sizes of my stash, and now I'm wishing I would've added one to my order rather than ruin my perfect 5oz tube of them lol. I already gave her a couple 1/10 ozers for whatever. I guess it's a sign that I should put another order in tomorrow after the kikes squash silver prices again (like they seem to do every Monday).

>>56126702
I'm simply saying, from a 1 oz = 25 to 30 dollar for a round price, a 185 dollar subscription sounds like a hell of a lot of markup, compared to 60 dollars for two silver rounds that "aren't US currency" at a factious 1 dollar per coin.
The silver didn't magically become more valuable.

>>56119237
Why?

My medieval silber collection start to look like something frens, just reached 30 coins.
It's the most random collection ever though, since the theme is just "buying unidentified-listed coins on ebay for way below their value".

But it matches a saying i love
>inventivity start when you remove a "0" to your budget

/pmg/'s thought on Cliff High?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKlWS3zz9rQ

>Monetary system as we know it will be fully gone by spring next year
>Silver and Gold become unobtanium
>Silver will match or even overtake Gold in value
>Those with Precious Metals or Bitcoin will be buying property

>>56128378
yeah the markup is huge, but at least those in particular retain value. it's just not worth getting ase's direct at such ridiculous prices

>>56128492
literal Q tier shit

NEW THREAD

>>56128610

>>56128492
One can dream I guess. The truth is that the people genuinely running shit aren't concerned about a few people getting ahead inadvertently. They already have transition plans (hell, the ones we know about publicly are meeting to discuss those plans tomorrow and Tuesday). If it were as simple as buying x or y and becoming a property baron overnight, that's not the sort of info any of us commoners would be privy to. I look at pms as money, for transactions between other people. It's not subject to the deflation of any particular fiat currency. If that fact isn't enough for some people, then so be it, but I don't have any thoughts that a 100ish oz of silver will make me a lord in 5 years lol. I'd be pretty happy buying a dozen healthy egg laying chicks and a bag of feed for a bit of pms if it went all road warrior style.

>>56128878
*PMs are not subject to the Inflation of fiat. I think people like cliff are promoting a false sense of security. I hope they're right but, history doesn't agree. A flagon of rice will go up dramatically after a currency crash, but if it was $2.50 before a currency crash, then 1/10 of silver later will still buy it after. It's true because there are and will always be a demand for PMs, even if it's a black market under an oppressive regime. Paper is just paper.

>>56128612
why are you always the one baker who refuses to use the correct title format?

>>56128492
>/pmg/'s thought on Cliff High?

He's the most based and redpilled paranoid-schizophrenic on earth, I always enjoy listening to him

>>56129025
same