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START MINING IN P2POOL
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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/ckwq8Rk8


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

oh you only take monero? yea i got you covered bro.

Literally every single XMR coin is tainted and therefore useless in a real economy.

Transparent L1 with privacy on L2 is the only acceptable solution, as all privacy shitcoiners will soon learn.

>>56108204
you're on layer n, you are n

Reporting in
##################################
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

I should probably revise these soon.

>>56107917
>Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a Monero

>>56107917
Here, spread it.

>>56108562
>Ugly white border
Is that the best you can do?

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>56109980
>>56109993
i think you meant to post this in the zcash general.
oh wait....

>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman question )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

>>56110473
this sounds sick af

Not buying your bisexual Nazi coin faggit

>>56107917
>kraken
Took my $500 and refused to allow me to send to another address or to my bank account.

>>56110706
Did they even give a reason or are you just being stone-walled by their Indian tech support?

nothing ever happens

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>56110473
Nice.

My taskbars crypto tracker supports monero!
I've also just discovered that the price never changes!

>>56111349
can't hear you, just bought more perfectly legal stuff with Monero and made the world a better place. Things are always happening if you don't keep your eyes shut

>>56110473
Is there a guide to setting this up? I have an i2p node on a server I want to mess around with.

Infinite supply and full of inflation bugs, don"t let them fool you.

Stick with BTC only if you don"t want to get scammed.

>>56115456
Less inflation than bitcoin actually currently. No sources, standard absolute retard and or bot. Though to be clear Bitcoin or Monero are both leagues better than holding ponzi fiat of course

>>56115456
Hey guys, Ol+1xSe here, on my phone now - I'm retarded btw idk if that matters

I'm offering professional branding packages (logo, biz card, etc). If anyone is interested, please respond with your and I'll email you and even post here saying I did. I'm not going to lie, I am hoping someone here needs something or know someone who needs something

how do you generate sub addresses for a paper wallet?

>>56116902
Are you the same guy from mm.io? I would want to use you, but how will I know that you won't sell my data or aren't compromised? Because xmr is trustless, I just don't think it lends itself well to services that requires any kyc, as giving you a business name to work with is tantamount to doxing myself. I appreciate your hustle, and I think more people should promote themselves in this thread and other monero centric circles, but it has to be services that preserve privacy within the offering. However, if mm is anything to go by, it seems that simping, cock.li invites and fiat are the only services people are will to pay xmr for, which is sad.
Perhaps with enough time people will come to accept mm for barter and pawning, but until such time my friend, find something to offer that will preserve not just your own privacy, but that of the potential client as well.

>>56117823
meds

>>56108240
absolutely based

>>56110040
true but the first rule is to never give them (You)

>>56115644
>>56115770
i know its tempting but DO NOT interfere with trolls. At worse sent them this and dot not reply further before they test it themselves https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/dispelling-monero-fud/

>>56116902
https://monerica.com

MINE ON P2POOL MINI
>MINE ON P2POOL MINI
MINE ON P2POOL MINI
>MINE ON P2POOL MINI
https://mini.p2pool.observer
>https://mini.p2pool.observer

>>56117823
>I would want to use you, but how will I know that you won't sell my data or aren't compromised?
Yes regarding the mm comment. What do I need to do to assure you I won't expose your info? I literally need the money and it's a full fledged professional service. I'm even saying that I will keep giving you examples of your business's logo until you like something, free of charge. No other designer does infinite revisions before the client decides on something, everyone charges you for mockups beyond the complimentary 3 and I'm here offering free and infinite examples. It's a risk I'm willing to take.

You have my MM profile to message me on if you don't want your email here. Ask me anything via messages there. I avoid linking that site purely out of fear of breaking the rule of linking other sites.

Asking OP, is linking MM listings allowed? We are allowed to link Chinese Alibaba stuff on /g/, I don't know if the rules on this board are the same as there. Let me know and hope everyone enjoys their weekend. Good night

>>56118645
>Asking OP, is linking MM listings allowed?

You won't find anybody objecting.

Coinjoin is easy if you actually try.

>>56120157
Long time samourai whirlpool coinjoin user here.
While whirlpool is nice, using it is still a pain in the ass compared to JUST USING MONERO. With btc coinjoin, you HAVE TO:

-> run your own node + coinjoin server
-> connect ONLY to your own server
-> make multiple transactions for obfuscating your coins. With whirlpool coinjoin this is generally 3 transactions: 1 getting into the coinjoin - 1 in the coinjoin rounds - 1 getting out of the mixing rounds
-> pay to the coinjoin coordinator
-> pay to the miners, over **three transactions**. With the btc mempool quite fucked in the ass nowadays, you will be practically paying somewhere around 10 bucks in order to use coinjoin


=====

Monero: send and go.
Using Monero is easy if you actually try.

>>56120157
njoin, for nwords

>>56107917
Can one of you honorary African Americans tell me if i can become a full time stakoor with Menoro coin?

>>56107917
DiDs are going to steal the show from you all. Polygon and Nexera are the way forward with their anonymous compliance solutions.

>>56121715
>Polygon
Proof of Stake PoS (piece of shit)
Eth based- a worthless banker coin. Basically charging normie newbs money for stuff that is done via webapps lol. Your shit isn't even a crypto. No decentralization. Fucking shitcoin pushing faggot. Eth scum like you will be rug pulled so fucking hard as the USD recession kicks in.

>>56107917
Daily reminder, xmr and all other private trackers are literally being delisted and regulated out of existence. Now.

>post
I'm not bumping

>>56122154
>regulated out of existence.

lol the multi-trillion dollar black market is regulation-proof, numbskull.

>>56122154
good

>>56118628
>>56118645
I'm sure you mean well, truly, but working with you via xmr requires breaking almost every form of security we fight for on the net. Have you thought about starting a fiverr and getting exposure that way and offer a discount for xmr? I don't think anyone here would object to you promoting yourself, you could even put in for a banner ad as well.

Its too late, baggies, Bitcoin has already won. Its over.

>open wallet
>xmr syncing
>about 0.5% per minute
ahh the future of finance

>>56123060
It's so over. Let me carry the burden of your Monero then, I'll dispose of them adequately.

>>56122154
>Daily reminder, xmr and all other private trackers are literally being delisted and regulated out of existence. Now.
i know this is untrue and some sort of propaganda, but what does this guy mean by monero being a "private tracker"?

>>56123228
do kyc instead so you can smile at your phone camera like a faggot wait a week for the site to verify your documents then buy some paper monero that you won't be able to get out if the price goes up more than 10%

>>56123228
>has dog shit internet speeds
>connects to a node on dark side of the fucking moon
>iTs So SlOw ThIs SuCkS

LEARN. OPTIMIZE.

>>56122154
this would be bearish for any other currency, but not xmr

>>56123060
>Bitcoin has already won.

>>56125148
If there are no dates anywhere in the picture that is meaningless information. Are fees high again?

Ugh, now bitcoin'ers will have to lobby to EU to make any holding or purchase of monero or any anon illegal so you guys stick to bitcoin only. Look what you did. Bitcoin only bitch.

I setup my own public monero node. I don’t even use monero I just want to support unregulated money transfers and economies.

Seethe more glowies.

>>56125165

Why is such a ridiculous scenario even possible? Oh right, the 10 min block time + the fixed 1MB block size. Winning!

>>56125195

>>56125195
what else can we host to annoy (((them)))? a Tor relay, I2P node, and Hyphanet node?

>>56125994
go seed some i2p torrents over at http://tracker2.postman.i2p

Help seeding 3D-printable gun designs, too, while you are at it.

>>56122370
>I'm sure you mean well, truly, but working with you via xmr requires breaking almost every form of security we fight for on the net.
You're overthinking about this too much considering everything I do with clients is safe and confidential.

>Have you thought about starting a fiverr and getting exposure that way and offer a discount for xmr?
Freelance platforms are very bad, you don't seem to know how bad they are.

>>56117823
>>56122370
Having trustless, private money doesn't mean every aspect of society now has to become trustless or private. It's human beings, some level of trust and disclosure is always required unless you want to be a hermit.

>>56125181
They all should adopt NexeraID and they wouldn't have to run up and down the earth kek

so you can buy cars with monero

>>56126614
>You're overthinking about this too much
I disagree, the only way to guarantee confidence in the online space is putting a face to a name. I personally had to learn that lesson.
>Freelance platforms are very bad
Considering I've personally ordered from Big Man Tyrone and SoCal Christ, who both started on fiverr, I'm again inclined to disagree. Freelance is what you make it.
>>56127100
See above.

I appreciate both of your input, I guess what can be done is use a separate xmr address and login if one needs your services brandanon, using the escrow can be a sort of money back guarantee if, in the extremely unlikely case, the services aren't satisfactory. You will be hearing from me soon!

>>56125148
sigma

>>56127198
Supercars and property are the two things you can't buy withot a visit from the IRS.

>>56127777
>use a separate xmr address and login if one needs your services brandanon, using the escrow can be a sort of money back guarantee if, in the extremely unlikely case, the services aren't satisfactory.
Isn't that what mm is for? It's basically an escrow and dispute service for xmr products. The listing is in there too

>>56128177
I already have an mm for different pursuits, which is why I would need another one to conduct business with. I presume you're Sato?

>>56127836
You can buy guns to

>>56128527
I only see ammo, what's this place called?

Looking to buy some XMR on localmonero through cash buy mail, any tips? Am a tard

>>56129821
https://localmonero.co/how-to-buy-or-sell-monero-anonymously-with-cash

Best hardware wallet? I have dosh and can afford a good one for once.

>>56129592
They only sell ammo and accessories. Check monerica.com they are listed on there I think.

You guys better sell. Mtgox settlement will have baggies dump their monero stacks this winter.

Fedimints will be the end of Monero
. Screencap this.

>>56130644
>Fedimints
>It is a layer 2 solution for Bitcoin/lightning
You made me google THIS shit? in no way a competitor to Monero. People only use layer 2 through centralized apps, thus being very unsuitable for real world adaption where your privacy is paramount. Sorry but not gonna be good enough to be in the same league as Monero for privacy.

>>56129916
Read already, anything else?

>>56130792
is there something you don't understand?

>>56130697
>fed in name
The fuck did you think it would be?
Of course it's going to be some corpo/institution/devil dick sucking, which is the mindset of current btc maxi.

>>56130644
>Fedimints will be the end of Monero

>Due to technical requirements and personal uncertainty, many people and businesses would prefer to avoid having custody of their coins. In this case, deferring responsibility to a federated mint is the next best choice for security purposes. Average users can trust the most technically savvy members of the mint to serve as “guardians,” providing trusted services through Fedimint servers.

Not your keys, not your coins, faggot.

>>56130644
>a custodial L2 on bitshit will end monero
Lol.
Lmao, even.

i've been away from my computer for about a year, what new monerochans have i missed?
i can't believe zcash niggers are still in here so early every time

>>56132775
What kind of Monerochans do you like?

>>56132775
I managed to AI generate 2 before Google killed Colab.

>>56132775

>>56132775

>>56132802
the best part is I have yet to see ones I don't like with the exception of bimbonero

>>56132775

>>56132896
more like this

>>56132818
unironically really good monerochan from an AI

>>56132775

>>56125386
wow is dead tho.

I remember a schizo linking an article here some months ago about big institutions (some banks, I think, or similar stuff) buying clean bitcoin directly from miners, at a premium compared to market price. I can't find it now though, or any other evidence of this happening, which makes me second-guess myself.. Does anyone have any idea what I might be talking about?

>>56131564
There's some VPNfag who asks a Google-tier "how can I do X?" question to bump the thread whenever it gets low in the catalogue.

>>56134679
One of the panels at Bitcoin Miami 2021 mentions this. I think it's the miner panel with Kevin O'Leary.

>>56128291
I am on MM yes, just make a account if you need to and reach out to me with any questions. Like I said in my bio, I'm available 24/7 and I provide a lot of samples before you pay for anything

>>56128291
>>56135329
Forgot my trip. Head over mm and message me anon with anything you'd like to ask before initiating a purchase. Hope to hear from you soon

>>56125195
What is the plug and play way to host a public node (non-tor)? Win/mint

>>56131564
Yea, is it worth paying for priority mail if I'm only buying a small amount? Also still trying to figure out if I really want to use my own return address.

>>56122059
lol I love tantrums like that

Lets move to Paraguay?

>>56134679
lmaooo BTC is NFTs now

>>56136422
>still trying to figure out if I really want to use my own return address.
Depends on your threat model. Most likely all they can try to do is tax the capital gains when you sell it. There's not really any way to prove you sold it though, and if you're based you only sell your XMR for goods and services, not fiat.

>>56138353
>additional child 2500
hmmmm

>>56132775
I made a few hand-drawn Monerochans over the course of the past year.

>>56125195
If you have bandwidth to spare, set up an I2P node too. Open the ports, enable floodfill mode. If Monero is private decentralized money, I2P is private decentralized comms.
>I don’t even use monero
List your bits and pieces on MoneroMarket. List the stuff you want in the wanted category.

>>56123228
An incentive to run your own node in your LAN then. That said the apps really need a periodic background sync function. The phone operating systems are a total bitch for these type of things though. Especially on iOS you basically cannot run anything in the background. Android is much better, you can have a background app. Don't see why they don't do it on Android at least.

>>56136422
If it's a small amount then don't put any return address at all

Tether just printed another $1 billion out of thin air, strap in.

>>56133734
Why do you say that ?

>>56141677
Basically no adoption due to it being a niche of a niche. Even harder to buy than XMR. Price is currently headed to sub $.01.

And I say this as a bag holder.

>>56142218
Wow is like a prealpha for XMR, it never made sense as money in itself.

>>56140791
Some sellers seem to be wary of this, If I were to do this I would just use a fake address. Packaging and shipping is my only concerns now.

>>56144123
>Some sellers seem to be wary of this,
That makes no sense, the seller gets perfectly good cash in an envelope, I don't see what the issue is.
And anyway, what does "wary" mean? He either sends the XMR he owes you or he doesn't. By "wary", do you mean he's gonna just drop the deal and run with your cash?

>>56144189
>That makes no sense, the seller gets perfectly good cash in an envelope, I don't see what the issue is.
I'm with you on this, I didn't say it made any sense that is just what some sellers seem to ask for.
>Wary. feeling or showing caution about possible dangers or problems. I just mean that the ad states
>You must use your valid US return address.

>>56142218
>Basically no adoption due to it being a niche of a niche
Don't talk about xmr like that.

hey semi newfag here
could someone post the meme where its privacy on BTC vs XMR and walking across a sidewalk.
I really have been needing that for a bit

>>56147550
>BTC vs XMR and walking across a sidewalk.

Moar details plz, I can't recall ever seeing that meme and I've been here for years.

>>56144324
I would be wary of receiving cash in envelopes with no return address marked because it draws a lot of attention and is a weird thing, even just an envelope with no return address marked is going to draw scrutiny from the post office.
>>56144189
the issue is in many cases sellers who do not ask for KYC are operating as an unlicensed money exchange or some definition like that, there have been cases where feds have done sting operations on these guys. if you really are going full schizo about a couple hundred dollars or whatever then put someone elses address as the return address and put the money in a birthday card.

>>56148990
>the issue is in many cases sellers who do not ask for KYC
That makes sense, I've always wondered how risky this is for the seller.
But the entire point of cash by mail is to avoid KYC as completely as possible. I don't think it's really "going schizo", if you didn't care about it you could just do a bank transfer or revolut or something or even just buy it on a CEX at this point.
I suppose fake address would be the way to go, then.

>it draws a lot of attention and is a weird thing, even just an envelope with no return address marked is going to draw scrutiny from the post office.
Huh, I never really realised that. I wonder if it depends on the country/location, or if I'm just oblivious.
I've sent stuff without return addresses before (mostly because I was lazy/forgot, and it was cheap or administrative stuff that I didn't care about getting back even if something somehow fucked up). Sometimes even doing so at the counter, and the clerk would ask if I wanted to add one, and I'd just go "nah" and they just took it without further issue.

ok but how do I use it in real life? like for buying food and stuff?

thinking of putting in 25k, is this a make it amount?

>>56149779
monerica.com
>>56149801
make it amount is 100 XMR

>>56149801
any amount is a good amount

is there merch from monero ?

>>56148492
>>56147550
It's the mental gymnastics one
>>56096033

>>56151546
Not from the devs themselves, but there are sites like Monero Supplies that have some merch. The guy running MS posts here sometimes, he doesn't namefag but he has a tripcode. Also I think he operates out of Europe, so if you can't order from there for some reason then maybe find another site

>>56149779
CoinCards dot com lets you buy gift cards with it, email delivery so maybe use a burner email if you're paranoid. Check their site to see what options you have, I don't remember all of them but I used it for Amazon before

>>56151546
>is there merch from monero ?
yes

>>56138353
What site is that, anon? That'd be pretty based if it was a gov site of theirs

>>56138353
based latin druglords accepting real business

Lets be realistic here: nobody actually use xmr and whatever privacy needs users have will be addressed by lightning.

>>56156153
Except you know, people who actually use XMR and need privacy. Vietnam, Ukraine, places its banned like Russia and China all see high usage. Darknet market is entirely monero based for a reason. Satoshi would use Monero. Monero is ASIC resistant, and uses ring signatures for enhanced privacy over bitcoin. And no centralized lightning network is ever bringing that level of decentralized privacy.

>>56156153
The only nobody here is you. KYS.

>>56151653
thank you very much sir
exactly what I was looking for

>>56156153
the largest free market dependent on fungible p2p cryptocurrency is the dark net, and they use Monero more than Bitcoin. And they don't use LN at all. So no, you are not correct on that assumption.

>>56156153
Baiting Monero threads is too easy, fish in a barrel. No fun in it.

we won bros

>>56156153
>1. CoinJoin to open channel
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo
>2. Use Lightning for as long as you need.
Need to have a live server 24/7 that never goes down.
Nil receiver privacy.
Has to "top-up" your channel in order to make bigger payments than your channel capacity
Has to "rebalance" your channels
Has to pay routing fees while doing it
Central hubs probing your ass and your channels.
Chainanalysis is watching you.
>3. Close channel and CoinJoin.
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo

LN is dead on arrival.
FEDmints are dead on arrival.
Btc is dead on arrival.
Use it as a ponzi scheme that helps you accumulate more XMR on the top of the Bull cycle, or get bust.

You have been warned.

>>56156153
>whatever privacy needs users have will be addressed by lightning.

Lightning has been evaluated and rejected by the most privacy-conscious market in existence.

>>56156153
Lightning network's security model assumes there's no hostiles in the network.

>>56107917
>moNEGRO
kys faggot grifter altcoiner

>>56159356
you must be new

>>56142218
Yeah it's true, buying it is unnecessarily complicated

Morning fellow terrorists

>running a public node
>mining on a regular pc
which one helps the network the most?
explain like if I took the shot

>>56162603
Why do you make it a dichotomy?

>>56161026
Can't be that different buying on tradeogre than buying on goybase

>>56156247
>>56156460
>>56157525
>>56158636
>>56158672
>>56159350

So how many of you delusional baggies have actually tried using LN lately?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Ignorance is bliss and Bitcoin always wins.

>>56164657
I don't back terminal projects. I love having and expressing my rights, go be gay elsewhere.

>>56107917
link to that hat?

>>56164657
How exactly do you envision a dark net market using LN? They would setup a LN node? Or use a LN node operated by coinbase or some other big company? You were late to bitcoin and you will be late to Monero.

>>56129937

>>56159356
Um actually it's Moñerro.

I said MORNING FELLOW TERRORISTS

>>56166848
I cannot wait to use my monero to buy even more beeswax candles.

>>56166972
>beeswax? Is that code?
>maybe it's a new drug
>we have to be sure we'll get fired if we raid a home for wax
>it must be a code. He paid in monero
>did he actually pay in monero or did he just say he did?
>how the fuck should I know?!?

>>56167116
i lol'd

>>56142218
aaaaaand we're dumping

Have someone tried to exchange XMR to BTC via localmonero? Were fees to much or just OK?

>>56164657
Yes i use LN to swap btc for xmr, but it's still shit that doesn't offer privacy.

>>56167602

>2. The Return of zzz from His Sabbatical

>A important member of the I2P network’s dev team, zzz, has ended his sabbatical and is once again taken part in the network’s development activities. Given the substantial changes to the codebase during his absence, it will no doubt take some time for him to fully catch up with the latest developments.

>While it remains unclear to me what role zzz will assume moving forward, his return is a welcome development. His extensive experience and insight could potentially spearhead more groundbreaking improvements in the network. I welcome him back.

>I would like to point out that his forum and other sites have not returned yet.

Good news for the i2p network and the java router implementation.
Sauce: http://notbob.i2p/cgi-bin/blog.cgi?page=400

RUN A I2P ROUTER AND TORRENT SOMETHING ON tracker2.postman.i2p

$ sudo apt install i2pd

>>56168299
i2p is dying faster than tor

>>56168438
you won't elaborate

>>56168438
>i2p is dying faster than tor

No, its just not growing as fast as Tor due to ignorance and legacy network effect. Its up to privacy educators to encourage and support I2P adoption.

This doesn't mean Tor gets forgotten about, it means that we don't put all our eggs into a basket that might actually be sub-optimal for hidden services.

>>56168438
I2P was alive before I heard about it and it'll be alive after I forget about it. Yes, I have Alzheimer's, but that's none of your business.

>>56168438
You wish, neveko is the final nail in the coffin of clearnet and tor based markets.

Behold the latest maxi cope.

Apparently Nostr Market is going to kill off the darknet markets lmao

>>56171163
>LN
That shit doesn't even work: https://nitter.salastil.com/sethforprivacy/status/1702121099180282350#m

>>56171900

Bitfags didn't get the memo.

OK, lets see:

- infinite supply
- probable inflation bug
- centralized development
- tiny hashrate
- no adoption

Did I miss anything?

>>56173813

>>56173813
Hope your wallet gets raided due to faulty random seed generation.


Infinite Supply: Tail emission ensures perpetual security. Bitcoin's fee market? Flawed.
Inflation Bug: Baseless fearmongering.
Centralized Development: False. Open-source, diverse contributions.
Tiny Hashrate: Relative measure. Cryptographic integrity is paramount.
No Adoption: Nonsense. Top privacy coin. Adoption is evident.

>>56173813
>- no adoption

Is koe still on break?

>>56173813
>Did I miss anything?

- hated by governments.

What’s the Cons with cash by mail on localmonero is there a lot of scams

>>56177295
The postal service can always lose your envelope, so even when dealing with reputable sellers there's always a non-zero chance that your money gets lost in-transit. It's why it's probably a better idea to do smaller increments at a time rather than one big purchase.

>>56177295
>>56177326
Alternatively, if they don't mind losing a little bit of exchange rate and its not too far, you can offer to drive closer to them and then mail it to mitigate loss in the event of a large transfer. I've done it.

Trading volume dipping, so looks like we running out of sellers again at this level, expect to retest 170 soon suddenly

>>56109980
>It's just not used by people who value their privacy

>>56177844
Realistically I'm expecting atleast one big doompa and no pump in 2024 whatsoever.
Btc is old news and tether printer is too obvious, if they print like crazy again someone is going to rug them or something.

>>56177844
Like >>56178160 says, we ain't getting a pump until the bull run. My question for you regarding tether is: Is usdc any better of an alternative? Its the same scheme run by different factions. My guess is that usdt is just better backed and protected by virtue of the mcap.

>>56178856
>Is usdc any better of an alternative?

lol

>USDC tokens are ERC-20 compatible and can be used with any ERC-20 compatible digital wallet. However, a global blacklist is maintained by CENTRE for USDC, which prevents tokens from being sent into or from blacklisted addresses. Reasons for blacklisting could include known fraudulent or illegal activity, or a legal order or process. Reserves associated with USDC balances held on blacklisted addresses may be wholly and permanently unrecoverable.

>My guess is that usdt is just better backed

lol

Can somebody please provide evidence that there isnt an inflation bug?

Its basically the only thing holding me back.

>>56180653
Lurk more.
https://www.moneroinflation.com/

>>56180653
>>56173813
What’s so bad about the inflation bug the whole purpose of monero is buy things privately if your waiting for it to moon then idk what to tell you

>>56180653

Exchanges keep rjnning out of XMR

Monero is what noobs think btc supposed to be.

>>56180653
Redpill me on the "inflation bug", why is it such a meme?
Can anyone prove Bitcoin doesn't have an inflation bug? Or Ethereum? Why is this a meme for Monero specifically?

>>56183415
Due to its obfuscation you have to do math to determine the current circulating supply and math scares retards a LOT.

It offers a very easy concern trolling opportunity, too. Simply imply that there is some silent bug secretly printing tons of monero, secretly devaluing all of the other monero in circulation and that "one day, guise!" someone is gonna dump them on the market and crash my 'neros into the gravel.

If I remember correctly, there was a scare about an inflation bug some years ago but it clearly turned out to be a nothingburger and was never exploited.

> 10 hours to sync unsynced for 2 weeks wallet on my HDD

>>56184712
>HDD

there's your problem.

>>56184712
nvme + ethernet I synced the chain in like 18 hours.

>>56184712
Even a 7200 is half as fast as a sata ssd, and less than a tenth the speed of even a gen 3 nvme. Ebay has terrabyte sata ssds and half tb nvme for like 50 bucks, dude.

>>56184815
HDDs are still best for long term & high-capacity storage

>>56178160
>>56178856
Showing strength at these levels no one is gonna make an attempt to short it to such depths at its current market cap and user growth. You think we gonna crab for a year? No way the market makers are gonna pump it if they can’t dump it. Monero is the most stable looking chart and low market cap with solid use case.

>>56185247
>the market makers are gonna pump it if they can’t dump it
>picrel just likes to make money, nothing personal fiat kiddos

do i need binance or binance.us to purchase monero?

>>56185247
(((They))) like their cycles, and don't care if we all know it, so when in Rome... I personally don't see xmr going too far past its ath, but considering all of the fiat printing I wouldn't be surprised if it 9xs before the bears leave their hole again. Plan accordingly.

What are the chances Zcash or Dero overtake Monero? Even the devs admit Monero has weaker privacy.

>>56180653
You prove it the same way you would prove it in bitcoin or any other crypto that isn't zcash

>>56186793
0 percent

What's the best wallet? and don't say paper

>>56187402
Official unofficial GUI or CakeWallet

https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases

https://cakewallet.com/

whats the best swap from an ATM that offers BTC - BCH - LTC - ETH?

>>56188530
get cakewallet or stackwallet and use in-wallet exchange

Might be a bit off-topic but I want to set up a website for a market place and I want to be able to accept Monero.
I just have no idea on how to get a website set up, figured you guys would probably be best to ask (/g/ is full of faggots).
The only thing for accepting payments that I found was a self-hosted processing called Bitcart, was wondering if anyone had first hand experience with it.

They wont let me swap my hathor for monero. I tried )=<

>>56178160
>one big doompa
God I hope so. That's when I'm gonna go in big

>>56189127
If I were to do this I'd use monero-wallet-rpc myself, but I remember seeing something already existing for this. Try looking around the OP links or something, I swear I found it in this general

I now have a sui stack, what am I in for?

>>56191080
>I now have a sui stack, what am I in for?

A scenic ride up the mountain.

>>56191080
Comfiness. Monero seems to be near a price floor because it has a lot of resistance to dropping, and it's a hell of a lot better than holding fiat.

>>56189127
I did something similar as an experiment once just to see how hard it would be. What I did is create a script that talks to the Monero wallet RPC and generates an integrated address (an address that's actually a combination of your wallet address and a randomly generated payment ID), adds it to a SQL database for pending orders, and then checks every 10 minutes for a received payment of whatever price I had set (0.01 was used for testing). If the payment ID received >=(price) XMR, the script changed the order from "pending" to "paid". It didn't go any further with the development since I wasn't actually planning to run a store, but it was pretty simple to do because the wallet RPC did all the heavy lifting. Depending on how you choose to proceed (what language you use, how familiar you are with it, etc.), you could probably have it mostly done in a weekend if you really grind. Also as a side note, the way the script handled it didn't require the payment to be 1 transaction, it was all tallied up and checked if it was the right amount. I didn't implement anything to protect against someone overpaying since there was no way of returning funds without having their wallet address, so I just decided it'd be better to let someone send a support email or something if that happened. I would also advise using a view-only wallet for the website just in case someone finds a way in.

Reading material:
https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html
I mainly used get_bulk_payments and make_integrated_address

>after years of the map limit regularly being reached and resetting all maps on the server to blanks, the new update has finally brought in the map locking system, so even if someone finds and nukes your map arts, you still have the saved and locked copies. Additionally, something like 2 billion unique maps can exist on the server now, as opposed to the <100k previously.

Here goes nothing, guise.

>Connect to TOR
>Try to visit Dread
>Sit staring at DDOS protection access queue
>Leave tab open for 15 minutes, still waiting
>Try a different mirror, same thing
>Try visit Bohemia
>DDOS defender - you will automatically be redirected
>Same page for 10 minutes
>Try different mirrors, same thing

How am I supposed to be using this?

Is there anything sadder than deluded monero baggies?

You will never make it. HFSP

>>56194939
Disable JavaScript

>>56191080
>>56192664
Monero is the comfiest baghold.

>>56195288

You seem anxious.

>>56191080
Pain and suffering. This anon said so>>56195288.
His comment has about the same weight as >>56192664 in this Vietnamese basket weaving forum.
Make out of it whatever you wish.

>>56196603
i want to hold monero-chan's bags too

>>56189127
monerosupplies.com now uses bitcart after the woocommerce monero payment gateway broke while moving to a new hosting provider. it's great for the shop but im not sure how well it would work for a public marketplace like moneromarket. youll probably want to use a proper escrow system for that.

>>56191080
buttseks. Monerochan pegging you till pigs fly.

>>56191080
As an avid monero enjoyer, Monero-chan will give you crabs.

>>56142218
I like it as a toy project, it's niche but cool, will buy more if it dumps a lot
also like the idea of a privacy coin with cap for experiment

>>56142218
send it to zero....more fun that way

/biz/nessmen:
what is the cheapest way to get massive hashrates on xmrig (over 30 kH/s) without having to build two or more rigs?

>>56205327
simple, just but a $10,000 workstation CPU and build one rig with it.

If I buy Monero from Kraken or another KYC how fucked would I be?

Pheonix lightning wallet makes Monero obsolete. Try it out and see.

>>56205327
iPhone 15 pro max, they get hella hashes.

>>56205819
If you're worried about Kraken tracing your coins, once they're in your wallet they don't know anything.

The big downside is simply the government knowing in a general sense that you have/had Monero at some point.

>>56205819

This aint Bitcoin, kid. Relax.

>>56206005
>>56158636

>>56206005
also, KEK.
this shit GLOWS

>>56107917
bump

>>/biz/thread/30297586

>>56208488
New savior of the white race has been announced

>>56208820
based, guarding his parents corruption money in XMR

>>56206358
So monero is dangerous and in the future you’ll be arrested and fined for simply holding it ?

>>56210306
don't you wanna be prepared for the
>B A D E N D I N G
?

>>56210306
>So monero is dangerous and in the future you’ll be arrested and fined for simply holding it ?

Yes. Govt-approved crypto is the future.

>>56210306
nah, not really. western faggotry is collapsing very soon and with that collapse will come a renaissance in all personal liberties, like using any money you want. if your country seems to be doubling down on state regulatory faggotry even in the face of total collapse then just move out to greener pastures.
i'm just assuming you are buying normal amounts of xmr and not millions of dollars.