/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>56030982
This is the mildest crypto winter to date you fucking retard

I hate to be one of those twitter faggots that reply with memes, but

>image of guy in noose saying "first time?" to another man in a noose

Other winters lasted YEARS and had BTC dump 90%+. This is just accumulation time

>Bitcoin didn't even go back to 9k
Crypto is just crabbing along at 40% of the previous ath, bitcoin will easily go to 400k next run like this. Bearish.

>>56030996
This. It’s more an issue with the crypto summer that preceded it being shitty. BTC really should have peaked at 150k according to OP’s model. Diminishing returns sucks.

>>56031033
Reminder that SBF artificially inflated BTC with IOUBTC (patent pending) tokens.

>>56030982
No one knows, anyone saying otherwise is either taking hopium or depressed

My opinion is we may see a modest bull market (nothing like 2021), not before a recession, most likely starting in late 2024

>>56030996
This is the most brutal crypto winter, what makes it seem mild is that there's more people being retained having crypto become way bigger.

>>56030982
Because Bitcoin has died hundreds of times already: https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin-obituaries/
And when it really "dies" again (that's when the price is sub 10k), it will pump violently.

>>56031071
NEWFAG ALERT

>>56031033
>>56031061
The bull market extension from July to November 2021 was all smoke and mirrors

>>56031026
The crazy economic stimulus environment from 2020 and 2021 won't be back for decades unless there is a true black swan

>>56030982
>the devs to add a new color
This deutschnigger is retarded

Poisoned watercoin?

>>56030982
>coulour
opinion discarded

>>56031095
>NEWFAG ALERT
Consider the following, now crypto has thousands of alts, to which a lot of people are exposed to.
Most of these alts are 90% down while bitcoin and the largest alts went as well at least down 80% while we also had huge exchanges go bankrupt and stealing money, all of this on a market that was around 3 trillion $ at the top.

Now tell me how 2018-2019 wasn't a field day compared to now.

>>56030982
Zoom out

>>56031114
>The crazy economic stimulus environment from 2020 and 2021 won't be back for decades unless there is a true black swan
You
Are
Fucking
Retarded

The inflaiton from the 2008 bailouts was priced into bitcoin over literally 10 years.

The inflation from the 2020 bailout will not be fully priced in until the 2030 bullrun has run its course.

Bitcoin has a massive upside at this point because there is so much ambient cash flow still running around.

>>56031143
You are a retarded zoomer that bought in 2021. ZIRP in the US lasted seven years after the crash. Rates were lowered again in 2017. Not to mention TARP and QE. It wasnt a one and done event that started and ended in 08 you underage monkey. Stop making up female finance terms like ambient cash that mean nothing you stupid nigger. Never post here again.

>>56031143
Uh, I'm pretty sure M2 has decreased. Also, we ended a 40 year cycle of low inflation and falling interest rates, now we're going in the opposite direction

>>56031095
This is way worse than the last two crypto winters retard
you are the actual newfag

>>56030982
Because "americans" are waging a war against crypto, it would be ok without that marketing

>>56030982
keep in mind current prices are factoring in the expectation the BTC ETFs will create a new way to separate normalfaggots from their cash again. when these ETFs flop, BTC will finally die

>>56031061
SBF was market selling depositors' BTC to pump shitcoins he was personally invested in like SOL.

>>56030996
How so? Maybe it's because I'm a round tripped 2 million dollars retard but feels pretty similar to 2019 right now to me, other than that I actually felt highly confident then that things would eventually get another pump and with macro economy now I feel like it's possible 2020/21 was it.

>>56031115
they actually did add purple to it though, briefly
I think it said something like "it's over"

now they've just adjusted the rainbow like a

>>56031135
most based post itt

>>56030996
It's only milder if you started in 2017.
If you're a 2021 fag you've been wiped out.

bitcoin has never experienced a bear market

bitcoin's first bear market will last from 2022 - 2027, with the lowest low of 2.8k made in 2025

>>56031217
Bitcoin rallied into increasing interest rates in 2017.

>>56030982
Imagine having the name ‘Kilometer Americaner’

I really dont care. When does btc hit its final ATH so I know when to swap it all into XMR before it godwicks with CBDC release. I want to be shitcoin warlord of 2030s building my army of newly broke stinkie linkies getting paid in monero to farm crops for me in post america.

>>56031841
>Rallying while rates go from .4 to 1.1 is the same as making new ath when rates rates are 5+ with QT

>>56031143
>The inflaiton from the 2008 bailouts was priced into bitcoin over literally 10 years.
fuck me if this is the level of fundamental analysis you get in crypto you guys are fuuuuucked

>>56031956
You said that they decreased the rates in 2017.

Also we rallied 90% in 2023 while the rates were above 4%.

>>56031249
Fucking this.
Why do you think (((they))) want to regulate Bitcoin so hard? Cash is nothing but a zombie.

>>56030996
This, in this shitshow since 16 and this is smoothest one yet, but maybe anons are right, this one roundtripped least profits, at peak was mostly btc and eth so around -60% and considering most of 21 gen is -95%+ think this time is just more of us who actually protected profits in majors.
>>56031546
More and more "muh macro" and "this is it" posts lol, unironically this is good singh they always start on long tail of time based capitulation and look like we are in late 19

>>56030982
Crypto is dead. Bitcoin was the discovery. Bitcoin wins by default because the legacy fiat system is breaking. It’s just a matter of whether the fed decides if it is a melt up or a melt down.

>>56030982
This winter is worse because I held all my shit thru the downturn and its all alts. I’m fucked now

theyre manipulating the price down so idiots will sell while they buy. about as obvious as it gets and some of you dumb niggers are gonna sell

>>56031022
that 'image of a guy' is James Franco you uncultured swine

>>56030982
PoolTogether just matured into its final form. Autonomous, permissionless, open source and free to build on by anyone. All yield goes through the POOL token first, so infinite demand on the POOL token itself. It’s peak web3 and I’m pumped to see where it goes after the beta.

>>56033895
Many other projects are just now maturing as well, think we’re in the endgame at this point.

>>56030982
If you didn't make it by now, you never will. Unless you have a few BTC lying around, the next bullrun (if it even happens) won't make you rich.

Don't answer the newfag. He doens't even know how to get the right answer... Why are you answering him? He is a fucking noob!

>>56031022
>and had BTC dump 90%+
That's literally the whales' tactic to keep exit liquidity within the system, by keeping BTC high so retards like you can continue huffing copium.
What about any shitcoin who isn't BTC/ETH/BNB?

Literally 99.999% of shitcoins are still down -95% from ATH and continue bleeding, or crabbing in the abyss at best. It's not a winter, it's a dead ponzi fad.

>>56030982
It's not really a winter, it's caused by external factors.

>>56033920
Whats people’s obsession with getting 20x, 50x? That won’t happen until interest rates go back to 0 and government gives stimmy checks. Which wont happen again for at least a decade or two.

I’m gonna be happy if i ever get 2x my investment.

>>56030996
You're all already dead

>>56034019
So they say. We shall see.

>>56031432
its not americans its the democrat party