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>>56018655
Watch Fight Club

>>56018655
That's one obvious reason muh collapse will not happen, or not happen in the way you want it to
Catabolic collapse would be much more likely anyway

Collapsefags are likely just clinically depressed (I know cause I was one) and even thought increased depression in the population is likely a social-scale evolutionary warning indicator of dysfunction, if you dedicate your life to this notion you forfeit all opportunity that comes if and when the problem is actually fixed

The 3 main characteristics of depression are: negative thoughts about oneself, about the future, and about the world or situation

If you have these, stop it, get some help
These thought patterns are toxic and will not help you even if everything your most bearish dreams come true; even if you're right you will lose
Changing and challenging these thought patterns will not only allow you to live a happier life, but be more effective in any decisions regarding what to do with your time on this Earth AND be better able to adapt to changing circumstances, which what you think you want to do right now

>>56019114
Same, I’m a collapsefag, but I’m also investing in case things magically improve. It will never happen like we want, it’s just each day will get progressively shitter, standards will lower, and you’ll grow a little colder and jaded each day.

>>56019114
based

>>56018655
Oh would you look at the time (and outside)

>>56019470
Explain how this is not based
>people have to return to the lifestyles they lead under materially shittier conditions
>community becomes necessary again
>in group preference goes up
>religiousness goes up
>sense of meaning and purpose goes up
>art gets better
>craft and skill have to return

And we don't want this to happen... why? Because more burgers?

>>56019577
It would be fine if that was the outcome
Unfortunately due to the internet it will never happen that way; normies (and us) are and will continue to be relentlessly psyop'd into thinking in-group preference is bad, surrogate communities can be established online, etc.
It will just result in more densely-packed cities paired with an increasing level of debauchery thanks to anonymity and art growing only more grotesque from what we have now
That's setting aside the control factor, too

Like if there was an exodus from the cities and they became centers of classical cultural revival featuring great works like old Europe venice, etc., sure. But nouveau riche are chasing new dopamine highs because the internet has already shown them everything they want to see and they need new pleasures

TLDR internet bad for society; it's taken the fun out of everything from adventuring to social interactions

Comfy air conditioned jobs helping rich people purchase things will be reserved for POC only. If you do get a job anon it will be served outside and have back breaking labor involved. You have to show you’re truly sorry for being a white piece of shit OP.

>>56019114
This is true but also fuck you. Society can suck my fucking dick. You might as well tell him to start popping SSRIs, they’ll help him adapt to modern living, won’t they?

>>56019114
Yeah, everyone's depressed. Yes, it's an indicator that things are wrong. And of course it's obvious that things are very wrong in general. If you can accept this then maybe you have a chance. If you can accept it then you can find solutions.

>get help
What you're actually saying is go back to sleep. Everyone else has their head in the sand. It's over for them. If you join their circle jerk of delusion you will die. Pretending, acting, lying to themselves and everyone around them - those are the toxic thought patterns. There's no opportunity coming for those that live in denial.

>>56018655

Sounds like not a good plan anon. Have you considered, literally anything else.

>>56019644
this

>>56018655
a collapse for you but not for me
if you have your wealth in confiscatable assets such as fake gov money or even real estate, you are gonna get rugged
if you put every penny in btc, you are gonna be fine
this is the truth

>>56019939
Not true my friend
You are living on a false dichotomy because you basically instantly believe your own thoughts and these shape your emotions
Most people are like this and will continue to be, but you can change it
In fact, you know full well that "going back to sleep" is not possible in your metaphor because you cannot unlearn information
All the ancient traditions teach of another way

I can even tell you're still living in this false world because you think you can "find solutions"
It's actually very simple and easy to see a mile away once you know it

Not even the weatherman can accurately predict the next month's weather, yet what you're doing is planning a camping trip on April 12th and trying to know in advance whether it will rain


Useless and overactive anxiety is caused by the mind taking problems from the future and shifting them into the present, causing a continuous physiological stress response
Keeping the body in its heightened alert state, or fight or flight, is not healthy or beneficial at all, for thinking, feeling, planning, living

This makes you ineffective, depressed, spiritually dead, unhappy, and is a light version of souls experience in hell

There is only the eternal present
Creation, annihilation, life and death all exist within it

>>56020229
Don't get me wrong, I don't consider myself depressed. I actually think depression is mostly physical and general health is the thing to work on. My picture above is relevant. Homosexuality is a dysfunction. Everyone is very unhealthy today and getting worse every generation.

>an even tell you're still living in this false world because you think you can "find solutions"
>It's actually very simple and easy to see a mile away once you know it
Please explain this.

>Can't predict next month's weather
Yes you can. It will be colder than last month in the northern hemisphere. That's almost certain. You can even make decent predictions on how likely it is to rain. If you make a more accurate model you could make better predictions too. It's not a bad thing to be able to plan ahead.

If you only believed in the present then you would look like these guys.

Nothing new under the sun. As the other anon said, you guys are delusional for thinking you can predict something as grand as the complete fall of society. Even in that case, you should be preparing for the fall instead of using it go justify your laziness. You guys really think that complete anarchy is better than having to go to work?

>>56020369
>webm
Let me guess, California?

>>56020415
>that image
>just ignore the obvious signs of things getting worse around you and get back to work, pleb

>>56020415
>You guys really think that complete anarchy is better than having to go to work?
I do. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not.

>>56020459
I think it was Philadelphia

>>56020498
Oh damn. I didn’t think it was that bad there. But I haven’t been to Philly in like 15 years

>>56020477
kek'd at glowie image, saved, ty anon

>world wide negative growth of producer price indexes
>Capacity utilization in the shitter world wide
>Pmi world wide in the shitter
>Goods orders down
>Inflation still high
>Interest rates still high
>Oil flat despite 2 years of straight production reduction
>real estate no bid
You might get lucky

>>56020567
Sounds like 08 again

>>56020415
>You guys really think that complete anarchy is better than having to go to work?
It's not necessarily better but it's definitely more fair. Trying to play the Capitalist game as a young person today is becoming more and more impossible, it's like being thrown in a PVP video game lobby half through the match and the enemy team already has all their skills leveled up or their scorestreaks or whatever. It's not really a fair game until a new game is started. It's like Mr.CIA said "Chaos is a ladder"

>>56021305
>thinking real life is like a video game

Yeah really tells me all i need to know about the intelligence of accelerationists.

>>56018694
read fight club, faggots

>>56019114
>if you dedicate your life to this notion you forfeit all opportunity that comes if and when the problem is actually fixed

Bullshit. The moment I know it's "go-time" this depression will lift off me like a rocket.

>>56020734
In 2008 there was a road to kick the can, now there is no road, just a plank over an abyss and Powell trying to balance a plane on that plank with monkeys from scamstreet and the government throwing shit at him while he tries to land on that plank

>>56021584
>retard doesn't understand what an analogy is

>>56018655
Well that's not going to happen, retard. Even if the economy collapses, which it will because the elite want it to, they're just gonna exchange dollars for cbdc tokens and everything's going to continue as usual except poorfags are going to be living in pods and eating bugs. Everything is not getting reset to 0 for everyone. That's not the plan.

>>56022207
>Everything is not getting reset to 0 for everyone.
The entirety of human civilization shows that happens all the time. You're essentially saying that revolutions don't happen and that the governments and aristocracies don't change over time. Go to Italy and try to pay for something in Ancient Roman denarii and get back to me on how it goes.

>>56022019
Not my problem

>>56022343
If you are a baggie, be it equities, real estate or let alone shit like crypto, then it should concern you

There is a Micronova coming by 2040 or so.
thats what the "great reset" is really about and like 99% of the population will croak from this

>>56022148
It was a shit analogy. Enjoy getting your first infection after the collapse when "things will finally become fair and i'll rise to the top like in my post apocalyptic video games" lmao.

>>56022379
>Enjoy getting your first infection after the collapse
Lol nothing personnel kid

>>56018655
>uguu I want society to collapse!! I want it all to burn!! I rage and rage against the machine, chomping against the bit!!!
>actually does nothing like a boss
>hope society collapses
>based elites actively make your life worse
>hope society collapses
>society actually gets worse like a boss
>hope society collapses
>society actually gets worse like a boss
>die of old age working at best buy, circa 77 yrs old.
Thanks for playing!

>>56019577
Because it won't be that way retard.
>gov start raiding and murdering whoever is farming and raising livestock without their permission (already happening btw)
>collecting rainwater? harsh fines and blocks your water systems (also already happening)
>catholic don't take over, the muslims do and inact harsher laws and ban all forms of entertainment and your daughter is raped and killed by muslims
>no art because islam does not allow it
>craft and skill in the hands of elites only

>>56018655
the real problem with accelergays is that they naively think everyone will be on the same level post-apoc, as if Continuance of Governance wasn't a thing. The mega rich, along with every major military power in the world, have mega bunkers full of weapons, armor, ordinance, and men capable of handling them along with detailed game plans that have been practiced, wargamed, and perfected ever since the first public display of the nuclear bomb over 80 years ago.

You 12yo retards dream of playing escape from tarkov irl as if you'll be popping niggers and bluehairs like it's a shooting gallery, when in reality you're still going to be ruled by literally the same exact governments you were before, except now they have plenty excuse to enact martial law, suspend habeas corpus, and gulag your dumb chud ass for thinking wrong.

If you're so desperate for real life effort, go work your local soup kitchen, garbage cleanup crew, old folks home, church benefit, etc. and spread your politics irl. Influence your local leaders, start "drinking clubs" with the local power players, start your own political party or join one of the existing ones, run for office, campaign for a small time candidate you actually believe in. Drop leaflets and flyers (IT'S OK TO BE WHITE), spray paint the overpass, rig the election your god damned self (but not really that's illegal) There's about a million things you can do that AREN'T just making things even shittier for the lulz. What did christchurch do for anyone? More gun laws, 8 kun destroyed, and optics getting worse. Congrats.

>>56019470
Oh, Snap. Nostradamus just flew over my house.

>>56018655
>we can have a great reset
checked, but this "we" is gonna be a crap shoot and we will most likely end up in the same scenario with fewer numbers and the risk of the infrastructure become so destabilized the world will be randomly exploding for the next 10-20 years.

>>56022523
>governments never change
This is literally obviously false.

>>56022523
>What did christchurch do for anyone?
All the things you previously mentioned stupid fuck.
So easy to brainwash retard like you into hating something by taking it over.
>takes over the church and even outright says it
>OMG CHURCH BAD ALL ALONG
slit your throat for me

>>56022589
Those faggots can be ignored. They are desperate, they know their world is ending and they are scared shitless that all their models failed

>>56022523
this is based and real
There will never be anything like tarkov unless your time horizons are likely longer than most people reading this' most combat effective years. Getting the fuck up and doing something for yourself, right fucking now is what we need more of because otherwise we're all facing the start of the next cycle underneath the unending boot with no method of which to remove it from our throat.
>>56022563
>>governments never change
>This is literally obviously false.
you're extremely close to the truth, yet you're missing the point.
governments will change, everythings in a constant state of flux, and nothing will stay the same. Nobodies saying anything to the contrary, yet if things continue on the path that we currently are on with no (ACTIVE RESISTANCE!) the track will not mythically change from some divine providence. An object at rest will remain at rest, and the current status quo will only get shittier and shittier as long as you do not oppose it in active combat; be that in the streets, in the ballot boxes, on the top of soapboxes, preaching to your church and most especially by MOBILISING! Get fucking active, and YOU can change the government, because nobody else is going to do it if everyone THINKS that someone else is going to do it.
>>56022589
this is fucking retarded
christchuch was a retarded terrorist attack and only did more to harm anything he wanted to believe in. Shooting the innocent is an easy way to make people hate you, even if its "fur a good cause lul!!! we r bein replaced we gotta shoot em out!!"- because does that make people actually believe in your cause? No! That makes you look like crazed murderers instead of being the rational option out of the numerous fucking choices. The october revolution, the french revoltution, the Nazi's getting voted into office in 19-fucking-33, Ataturk's war of independence, Fucking AFGHANISTAN.

Terrorism is how you lose slower, Coups and popular revolts WIN.

>>56019114
No things are different this time
Even rome fell

>>56022939
Take your meds

>>56022956
Rome didn't collapse in on itself due to old age.
Rome was murdered by demographic changes caused by migratory germanic tribes, fleeing atilla the hun, remember that.
>>56022975
Unfortunately, I am.

>>56022523
>optics
lmao haven't heard this meme in forever

>>56022939
>Terrorism is how you lose slower
i guess nelson mandela forgot to read your blogpost

>>56018655
This sums it up for me too.
Funny thing is, the more people think like us, the more likely it will happen.

>>56023052
Sorry, is south africa a functional state? They revolted, they fucked up, they lost. SA is about to shatter into even more pieces.
Is that what you want? You don't want to win? You want to lose, slower?

>>56023133
you know you can just admit you were wrong

>>56023133
>Sorry, is south africa a functional state? They revolted, they fucked up, they lost. SA is about to shatter into even more pieces.
Sure it is. Any day now.

>>56023188
>>56023188
and the BRICS currency is going to flip the USD tommorrow, as their champion south africa continues to suffer from routine rolling blackouts that often last longer than the brief times they have electricity. Their economy is recovering from its overall admitted net decline since 2011 (and real decline since the 1980's), because amazon is building a fucking warehouse in a failing nation.
I'll leave you with this.
Being wilfully blind with a light shone upon your eyes is to be expected, nobody wants their cornea's burned. But when you open your eyes to the dark, you'll realise you're only more blind than you ever have been. Regardless, eventually someone's going to flick the light switch. Would you rather it be you? Or would you rather it be someone who'd very much take advantage of your flash blindness?
Its up to you to take the initiative, but be aware. The clock is ticking.
see -> >>56022464

>>56023052
civil wars only work with foreign support, and often they wind up as puppets of said foreigner supporters. See every CIA backed coup, for example.

>>56022563
>>56022589
yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

https://thereaganyears.tripod.com/martial_law.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=C8kZ3HfeqtA

>>56023286
shit this reminds me.
I'm spoonfeeding /biz/lets today, so I'll say this in all caps. READ SPENGLER, PLAY DEUS EX (THE OLD ONE, WITH THE CRUSTY GRAPHICS. TRUST ME, ITS A REALLY GOOD GAME.) If you don't want to play the game, watch the review from a member of the merchants guild: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5niDwkaV8&t=601s
and THEN reread headlines from 1996->2024.

>>56023286
>Kikepedia linker
Your brain was washed, your thoughts not your own, you are a golem

Damn some of you boys need to touch grass and/or vagina

>>56023593
>Please stop demystifing our grift
>We still hold bags
Lol baggies

>>56022486
Islam will not survive globohomo in the west. All 2nd generation Islamic sand niggers abandon their sand nigger religion for globohomo. The sluttiest bitches I have fucked at my college have all be Arabic Muslim bitches.

>>56019114
>don't believe your own eyes, goyim!

>>56018655
Society is already collapsing.
This is the getaway plan, destroy the nations you spent hundreds of year getting rich off the back of while.you creep away out the backdoor.

>>56018655
The insanity will continue longer than you can stay liquid

>>56018655
Well to be completely and absolutely honest my retirement plan consists mainly of crypto and more crypto and if the whole space collapses then im probably fucked. I mean yeah i know pretty well that dogbat is a scam but then there's shit like x.com that keeps pumping, gives me hope for a massive conspiracy relating to elon and just... it works you know?
I guess the end of society wouldn't be all that bad either

>>56018655
>>56019114
The collapse you want so bad could also take more than a hundred years to come, and even if it did happen now, you would most likely see even worse poverty and suffering for AT LEAST 20 years. You think society just collapses and it hecking bounces back in your utopian little faggotry in a year? The true downfall itself would be long, bloody and a complete disaster. Then there's the actual breaking point which could take years to unfold, and who knows how long it might take to recover something if even that happened.

But Accelerationism isn't even about destroying society. It's about launching the techno-capital landscape hard into the future and completely embracing technology regardless of where it takes us.

>>56018655
I think I will be able to retire but will live near the poverty line

>>56019114
>Get help
Lmao what do you want me to do? The depression comes because the entire fucking economy is shit and I'm basically being worked like a slave for garbage wages. You want me to just "feel better" while I can't even afford food?

Fuck yourself cunt

>>56019114
The massive mistake in your analysis is that you simply assume negative thoughts are uncalled for and irrational for some reason.

>>56025013
The collapse has been going on for 25 years already. It was over painted with voodoo economic, imports of debt slaves and ponzification so boomers keep vooooting for the scammers and failures that need to hang. We are now in the territory where there is no room for can kicking and the time for head chopping has arrived

>>56022379
How much of a dysgenic freak do you have to be when your first thought about social collapse is "I'm going to die without constant medical intervention"
"lmao"

>>56022523
>What did christchurch do for anyone? More gun laws, 8 kun destroyed, and optics getting worse. Congrats.
If christchuck was such a massive fail and nothing but blowback then why were the authorities quivering in desperation to scrub that video off the net? You'd think they'd promote it everywhere and have mandatory showings of it since everything we do is only capable of causing a polar opposite reaction right?

>>56018655
Mine rests upon winning that freebitco jackpot now. If some random dude can win 10 mil FUN, so can I

>>56025158
The video should have been shown at the oscars and other film festivals in the category foreign short movies and definitely nominated for best sound track 2018

>>56019639

>>56022486
Slow down rabbi. There are plenty of 3 year olds to go around

>>56025203
>debt jubilee
I had great discussion w/fellow /biz/arian few weeks back on this

>>56022014
“Go-time” is now, you fucking coward

>>56025099
Not even close. If that were true there would be mass protests, people starving, less control in general. We are nowhere near that and it seems like scientists are on the verge of a breakthrough in quantum computing which will keep the economic system going indefinitely while we unlock the secrets of nature and further tune our utopia. It's over but not in the way you think. This talk of chopping heads and revolution is a fantasy.

>>56023697
>durr Islam is failing because I fuck Arab chicks
Arabs are a minority in Islam you fucking retard. Besides, Muslims are the most outspoken religious group there is. Why the fuck do you think so many people are converting to Islam in the first place? Because all the other religions have been cucked beyond belief.

>>56025296
Quantum computing is nothing, it's just masturbating with no real usecase.
Scientists are nothing, just gramscian "opinion leaders"
The only thing that kept things somehow stable over the past 25 years, were can kicking of socialization of capital risk based on assumed future productivity and reproduction rate that was known to crash in the future, to benefit boomer jew pyramid gamblers that hoped they could keep kicking a can with importing spics, muslim, yellow pest and niggers for more debt. The future is now, the can is dead, and public financed "scientists" are going to be among those whose heads are going to be chopped

>>56025378
>Quantum computing is nothing, it's just masturbating with no real usecase.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>56025394
Keep regurgitating those buzzwords like you have any concept of them. You sound smart.

>>56019114
I’m only demoralized because I can’t have an 18 year old wife that be loving and submissive. I can’t even have a 18-25 year old girlfriend without being ostracized by society. Why contribute to society if it’s now taboo to date a 22 year old?

>>56025428
>Quantum computing is a hecking buzzword!
The way you're using buzzword is a buzzword. There's no lie about the sub atomic world, I don't expect 4chan retards to be well informed but it's the confidence in your posts that's doing it.

>>56020369
>don't consider myself depressed.
You are depressing.
Thats why you posted that webm.

>>56025579
It's not taboo to date a 22 year old
I know a 50 year old guy dating a 22 year old, everyone thinks it's weird (because it is) but you'll be fine

You also have to ask yourself honestly, are you really the masculine equivalent of a pretty, white, loving, submissive 22 year old wife? Probably not lmao

>>56025707
And what tangible value does it have beside grifting more (((research grants))) public of course?
Fucking (((science))) grifters

>>56018655
2020 was the best year for me so far.

>>56025394
Wtf do you think quantum computing is or what it can be used for

>>56025870
I don't know anon what tangible value would increasing computing power by vast magnitudes that digital computing could never do have? Could literally enable us to master biology, chemistry, solve any food issues forever, probably cure cancer along with any other disease, actually jumpstart REAL AI, governments are already interested because it could blow a huge hole in standard encryption. Jesus you guys sure do love trash talking the science that makes you able to shitpost online and have all this bullshit around you. Electricity? Transistors? Nah, Fuck Basedience!! Not telling you to pray to the experts but fuck some of the most brilliant minds have been progressing the computer, electronics and quantum theory for decades and it's the most real tangible value you can get.
>>56026119
It could be used for many things. We could simulate real chemistry and experimentation on a molecular level at a massive scale which could lead to much quicker discovery of various problems. A digital computer cannot compute on an atomic level, a quantum computer could. Financial firms could make use of such computing problem too, mastery over QC could drastically change the world, it's not a meme. Probably wouldn't count on it in a decade, but by 2040 - 2050? These big brained fucks will probably have figured it out by then.

>>56025088
Your attitude will shape everything else in your life, negative thoughts will only make things worse for you. No one is coming to save you, save yourself.

>>56018655
accelerationism is also called frankism and is exactly what (((they))) want

>>56026197
>AI
and you identified yourself as a drooling mongoloid. Congrats there is nothing like AI. It's a digital mechanical turk that is currently dying from digital mad cow disease with the indexes needing unfucking by 100ks pajeet slave workers in the background remapping shit, completely defeating the purpose of AI
And quantum computing is a fucking joke, where it isn't about "faster" computation you idiot.
Go hang yourself

>>56023999
checked

>>56026197
>digital computer cannot compute on an atomic level
I don't even know what you mean by this.
QC isn't being researched to replace traditional computers. You could but that'd be stupendously retarded. And even if you did, for most use cases it'd actually perform worse. Sounds like you're just regurgitating some retard journalist who doesn't know any better either.
>have computer
>have highly efficient algorithms and circuits to perform everything
>hurr now let me buy qoantoooom computer for 9 trillion dollars
>now let me simulate my old computer in my quantum computer and all of its billions of transistors to sustain backwards compatibility
>efficiency

>quantum computers
Quantum mechanics are a huge pilpul, a concept as true as the holocaust, an abject lie.
It's all based on the double slit, which is trivial under the primer fields.

>>56026523
Boomers are retards. They got scammed out of their childrens assumed future productivity and reproduction rate for 40 years straight, in this case to fund grifters that sold them shit about da futuar from the early 19th century

>>56019114
>society-wide depression is why society won't collapse
Lol lmao.

>>56026308
>AI le fake and bad....because it just is ok!?
It's not where it could be but I'm talking about possibilities here. You're just uninformed is all, I won't hold your ignorance against you.
>>56026400
>QC isn't being researched to replace traditional computers
Yes, it is. It can compute a hell of a lot more and at incredible speed. Your top level digital computer will be a piece of shit in comparison. At first it will be used primarily by governments and corporations, which will still have a profound effect on the world, and you know how things go with technology as they get more efficient and scale down.
>simulate my old computer
>backwards compatibility
No. There would be no need for that. You should honestly just look into it, I don't know how to describe to you the insane leap of computational power it would be and it's implications. And I definitely don't need to convince you, the world is going to move on whether you understand it or not.

>>56019470
Anon forget the important part: niggers, trannies and bugs

>>56027005
forgot
Fixd

>>56025037
Yes.

All these things are in your mind, aren't they? Show us on the doll where 'the economy' touched you.
Things have been worse, they have also been better, and they will be worse again

The size of the average American house has reached the largest area in American history, which likely makes these the largest houses on average in world history, yet there is a housing crisis. And people feel a sense of being cramped in, confined, as opposed to luxuriating in lavish and ample space
It is because of expectations and a lack of connection to the higher world
The japanese principle of the zen garden or the bonsai tree is relates to this
It shows that time and space can be stretched, slowed, constricted, warped by the mind's power over perception
You are stuck in your hellish world because you have little to know power to change your perceptions, so they come at you like images on a screen, or like events in time, and you are helpless to avoid or embrace them; this is the state of the people in Plato's cave who watch the shadows

For instance, you can absolutely afford food, you're on the internet right now not working in the diamond mines lmao
I'm not a Jew-book worshipper but ponder the story of Job and think of what it means [hint: its message is not to extol obedience]

>>56027063
that is basically by reply to any of the anons ITT screeching 'reeeeeeee but I don't WANT to be calm and content' even though I'm testifying here that it's possible, good, and Godly even

I suspect a contradictory throughline there hmmm.. as if perhaps the anger and the resentment is what pulls them forward, gives them energy, so they are afraid to lose it, not believing that it could be replaced by a heroic, healthy motivation, more powerful than their lazily reactive rage

>>56020369
>Yes you can. It will be colder than last month in the northern hemisphere.
You're right
and I'm glad you noticed this, because you're the only one ITT who has seen it from what I've read so far

But observe the asymmetry in how accurately you can predict something and how profitable it is to you
You can try this out right now, try to find someone who will bet any meaningfully large amount of money whatsoever that it will not rain next April
There are betting markets for all sorts of things, sports, elections, literally the weather, wars, stocks, crypto, etc

Yet continually expert, top level investors fail to beat the average market return on a consistent basis without one of two things:
>insider trading (that is, proximity to Power)
>or strict containment of capital or growth objectives (the 'ruthless gardener' approach) like Renaissance Capital does


This is why I love /biz/ and trading markets, it can unironically show you a glimpse of reality underneath it all


so you have three options:
A. stick to wise investing principles and invest for the long term, not caring about the short term swings because it is useless to, and certainly don't risk your whole stack over a panic
B. be born into or acquire power (tricky, because everyone wants power, so you're back to the game-theory square one of this metaphor)
C. Strictly discriminate between the things that you will choose to care about and nurture them to the fullest extent and pour on them all your greatest effort, you cannot afford to care about anything else
(or D. do a bit of all three)

You see how none of these options includes 'fret and worry about every swing in the market up or down because you are overexposed and undercollateralized'? Because that is useless and WILL result in both having a worse time investing AND making little to no money
The only exception to this is if you get randomly lucky and make a ton of money like those options traders who win big (unplannable)

cont..

>>56027216
...
and even in the case that you get lucky, you must THEN successfully shift your entire mindset (your capital) to more stable investments (and at the right TIME too before you lose it all to volatility or lose a portion and the cycle of regret takes hold)
and I think we've all heard enough stories of guys making it big with leverage only to lose it all again to know that it is not on the whole a wise investment strategy for your grandma's money
nevertheless, people fall for this trap every day
in fact, that's what this anon plans to do lmao
>>56022014
so you are clearly emotionally a gambler betting it all on red, your opponent is merely the one betting it all on black
he sees the world in the polar opposite view from yours, what you see as good, he sees as bad and what he sees as good, you see as bad
yet neither of you realize you can walk away from the table and stop playing the game

this is where your mind will ask "but how?"
that I cannot tell you, because first you have to realize it is a possible thing to do
otherwise if I tell you now your mind will rebel against the idea and frame it within the context of the game
>that's bullshit! walking away is just a power play to get more chips! no one ever really leaves the casino!

>>56025037
What do you do that’s so bad lol?

>>56027200
I had a very profound acid trip about the very shit you’re preaching. Keep at it. This place needs to hold itself more accountable. What are we, women??

>>56018655
Glowie

>>56027329
lmao

also the last thing I'll say is the disproportional number of doomer replies is because of the fact that most of the time no one of sound mind will tell you how retarded you're being or waste their own time trying to pull you out of it, except for occasional charity expeditions to hell from those who've gotten out of it like the one I'm on right now
just like no one will tell you when you're behaving like an aspie retard at the polite function
and for the same reason you don't go around handing out sandwiches to negro-tranny-crack-addicts on the street out of a naive sense that they'll get better if just given more material help
every man must choose it for himself
chew soap!

>>56018655

/biz/ i recommend landscaping, it's lower skill and less macho than construction or trades but a great workout and you could probably find part time work

>>56019470
the post in picrel reads like poetry itself. maybe one day the postings of anon will be collected into an album and taught to future anons

>>56026871
It's fake. But if you know better, describe what machine learning and indexing is and how it works, it shouldn't be that hard for a clever "anon"

>>56019114
Depressed people have a more accurate outlook than non depressed people. Basically non depressed people just think everything is going to be fine while depressed people see the writing on the wall.

>>56028211
>t.armchair charlatan
Psychology is not a science

>>56028217
So where do you get your bullshit opinion from?

>>56028293
That's not an opinion, that's a fact the "experiments" and data from methods by psych charlatans are neither replicable, reliable nor validatable. Their theories are not generalizable. It's at best an art closer to laying tarot cards, than a science

>>56028371
OK, so where do you get your bullshit opinion from?

>>56028401
Everywhere. Unfortunately most sources are written by monkeys and are basically advertising and scam as con attempts

>>56028371
So it's only pseudo science when the opinion disagrees with yours?

>>56019577
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>56023329
>and THEN reread headlines from 1996->2024.
All of them?

>>56028487
No. But psychology is not a science, it's an art, same as all so called social sciences and humanities. It's conartists, I should know, I'm one myself

>>56027063
This almost reads like poetry? Are you on drugs?

I'm okay with a collapse as long as I'm gifted with divine powers to handle the adversity that comes with such an event.

>>56025863
>that webm.
Does that depress you? :(

>>56027216
>But observe the asymmetry in how accurately you can predict something and how profitable it is to you
Predicting things is endlessly profitable to me. E.g. predicting rain correctly for a camping trip will mean I have the right gear and am more comfortable.

>betting
>markets
You profit there when others have different opinions that are less correct than yours. E.g. obviously everyone predicts Tottenham to win against Sheffield United. In a tipping competition that would probably profit you. In betting markets, at those rates, it might not.

The markets are a PvP zero sum game. In the real world anyone can predict and benefit. Like I tried to point out in my last post, you could do drugs and have a great time in the present, but you could also predict that in the long term you could be worse off for it. Or not. We make predictions about everything and usually the best predictions = the best life. E.g what people eat is based on predictions about what will make them satiated and, if they're real go getters, healthy. If you become healthy you profit from your good prediction. If you become less healthy then you lose from your bad prediction. And if you didn't try and predict how healthy it would make you then you'll get what you get but with less worry and effort. But other people's predictions don't impact you. Everyone can win if they get it right.

To make a point that's relevant to the argument and the OP: Markets are not measured by objective reality, they are measured with dollars. A bet on any market is as much a bet on the value of dollars. The supply of dollars expands and contracts, sometimes in response to market movements. It's tricky to predict. You can forget about markets though and just look around you. It's not so hard to make predictions about the world then.

>>56028899
You can't predict the future. Models, even physics models are based on axioms and assumptions. Somebody that believes in the predictive ability of models is drooling mouth breather

>>56026643
Only about 20% of the population is actually needed to maintain key infrastructures. Most of you are worthless to the plan as a whole. In the past the elites would just kill you or let you starve, atleast now you get video games netflix and tendies to help you pass time.

Tldr be greatful because it could easily be much worse for you

>>56019114
>>56020229
Your entire basis for holding an optimistic position is that things ultimately matter in some vague sense. They don't.
>Hurr durr you're just depressed
Yeah, tell me why exactly the society collapsing (or not) in a hundred years matters when ill be dead by then, or why anything after my existence matters when everything will just decay into perfect entropy eventually.

You don't have an answer outside of "have faith", and you're telling this to people who are incapable of having faith.

>>56027063
Poorfags need to understand that the american dream is a phenomenon resulting from winning 2 back to back world wars and usd becoming the world reserve. To state the obvious, most of the planet does not pwn property and will never own property and your average american is not worth exponentially more than a thirdworlder. the average american has been coasting off the successes off the foundation set by the ww2 generation, what was possible for the average baby boomer is no longer possible today. There are two choices, either we fight and win another world war and subjugate the losers in form of a tax on all their gdp, or we recognize the inevitble decline and handle it through mood altering drugs and entertainment. I would say the latter is likely considering how good americans have it, the biggest poorfag is still living better than your average third worlder

>>56029069
Are you implying I'm some kind of science bitch that gets everything wrong by following what's taught at (((university))) and making up nonsense to look smart or justify positions? There are things I can predict, there are things I can guess at, there are things I can rule out, and I can update my predictions all the time.

>>56025865
>It's not taboo to date a 22 year old
>everyone thinks it's weird (because it is) but you'll be fine
you just contradicted yourself. Now imagine if he dates an 18 year old how taboo it would be

>>56022014
>moment I know it's "go-time"
Arguably it is already go-time

>>56029077
>Only about 20% of the population is actually needed to maintain key infrastructures.
A lot of those guys are getting old and/or quite during COVID. Case in point, we are running out of COBAL coders to maintain legacy government systems they failed to modernize over the last 30 years.

>>56029203
No. You can never predict the future with a 100% certainty, models are if they are honest, always focused around probabilities, and they are never complete and can predict all possible outcomes. Believing in models is typical religious "trust le science" shit

>>56029430
That's a given. How retarded are you to think that I could be that retarded?

>>56029457
Because you can't predict ever with a 100% certainty, which of one is honest makes science nothing else than a religion and models nothing else but religious text. Everyone who tells me he can predict the future, I consider a shizophrenic or a scammer

>>56019577
Because you'll have the watchful eye of big brother on you 24/7and your children will associate more with shitty dopamine induced internet culture rather than the culture of whatever "community" you were planning on forming. Any in-group preference exhibited among whites will be lambasted by the media and forcibly stamped out.
You'll get to enjoy all the above, and more, from your 600sqft apartment.

>>56018655
Mine is to work until late 40s and then live on gibs.
This is western Europe so complete doable, also I say late 40s because then my youngest son wil be 20.

>>56022014
Its already go-time: go the fuck back to work time, wagie HAHAHA

>>56029536
>Everyone who tells me he can predict the future, I consider a shizophrenic or a scammer
I feel the same way about people who tell me the future can't be predicted at all.

>>56022589
Retard

>>56029765
That conclusion makes no sense "trust da science" cultist. Data, that is now, is here now, it can be measured through different means, even if it is just your biological senses, claiming to have knowledge about assumed data in the future, based upon models, is pure shizophrenia, magical thinking. Only that you "trust da science" cultist don't use tea leafs and frogs, but idiocy like past outcomes predict future outcomes

>>56022956
Yeah dumb fuck and it was immediately occupied by a Germanic king and within a few generations people were calling themselves "Holy Roman Emperors" and imposing feudal rule upon Rome's population with the help of their warlord buddies ("vassals"). Day to day life did not change for 99% of the former Roman population, most of whom had already started speaking gaulish or german or slavic languages.

>>56018655
Nothing ever changes. When a power vacume is created, somebody fills the gap immediately, and it's always the person or group with the most available power. The US government collapses, and is replaced by what? Local warlords/generals, governors, senators, and corporations. The same people who rule you now. The "best" that you can hope for, as a presumed conservative ethno-nationalist, is for a break aware region to enact policies designed to create a state for people like you, with people like you inside it, all speaking the same language, etc. This is not some people's cup of tea. I personally don't care as long as it is rational and civilized and strong. Collapse of the current regime would only mean you'd have more options for places to live. They won't even be at war with eachother. You'd have multiple break away regions pursuing peace because the people with power--same as before--only care about profit.

>>56029821
If you can catch a ball out of the air, based on it's trajectory, you can predict the future.

And I literally told you I don't trust the science in my first reply to you. You must be stupid.

>>56029879
That is artificial isolated room theory and on the level of religion. You cannot know if not a wind blow is going to change the trajectory, or some guy pushing you because he thinks its funny. You and nobody else is ever going to be able to predict anything with a 100% certainty in a multi variate room with an unknown amount of unknown variables

>>56029938
Btw, that is the reason why socialism as human organization and all of its derivatives are always going to fail, probably one of the only things that can be said with a near 100% certainty
>Verification not required

>>56029077
If so much as even 15% of the world population evenly spread out dropped off the face of the earth in a year the entire global economy would turn over. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>56029938
Drop the ball = failed prediction. Predictions aren't certain, I already told you that is a given. Do you think people just catch balls by pure chance?

>>56018655
My retirement plan is to sit back and watch Sergey build the world's greatest oracle network while I parasitically get rich off of his hard work.

>>56029938
Such vitriol.
Nobody itt claimed prediction models work with anywhere near 100% accuracy.

>>56029998
No. It comes down to trust in their ability to catch balls and be able to momentarily adjust due to their ability and experience in the now, not down to being aware of some fart huffers theoretical bullshit religious models

>>56030014
>it comes down to trust
>their experience in the now
Like I said, every bit as schizo as people who believe with 100% certainty.

>>56029122
What a fucking loser, lmao

>>56018655
>I'm screwed and will have to work at Best Buy as a 75 year old.
Good news, you have to work at best buy until you are 75 years old. The good news part is you have a job there because the USA/EU/USA/G7 is actually very economically solid right now, negative interest is over and near full employment. If you want economic collapse go to China or Russia or South Africa.

>>56030057
You are just trying to ensure yourself, that your believe in science is true, and signaling to yourself, that I must be crazy, to not confront yourself with the natural state of uncertainty. Religious sheeple, always the same

>>56019114
this is normalcy bias dont fall for it
now granted it wont be insta madmax zombipocalypse collapse like any movie or tv show or your chosing
but never forget that our free democracies overnight implemented a nationwide housearrest and this was when supply lines were still delivering goyslop at near max speed
the correct response is being disgusted not depressed and getting out of the worst places
good luck changing and challeging the thought patterns into a happier life when your draft notice lands

>>56030089
Retard. Fuck off.

>>56030142
Screech more sheeple. Keep believing in your models like some religious fag

>>56030163
You're screeching, hes not.

>>56019114
This. Collapse won't be their fun street rampage shooter. It's just going to be boring with a reduced quality of life.

>>56030214
Dog pilling on an anon board doesn't work you stupid shitcord groomed idiot. It is not able to create consensus like in your incestuous (((communities))) I know I'm right I don't need a (((community))) to agree with me

>>56030006
Based parasitebro

>>56018655
Transfer to geek squad, I was an ARA through college and it was actually pretty comfy.

>>56030534
Meds

>>56030604
And the screeching continues.
Keep singing the song of your sheeple

>>56019470
>anonymous JIDF

>>56022939
jeez dude