/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55947332
Because everyone has been sold that they can get a job paying min 100k a year doing nothing but sitting in front of computer, or worse they believe they can get work from home and only have to send a few emails a day. The white collar bubble is going to implode, the days of easy cash for min work will be over for ever. You will dig the hole in the ditch when it’s raining outside or you will starve. Cope

>>55947332
Nobody wants to work with a bunch of pill popping alcoholic rednecks

>>55947365
>Because everyone has been sold that they can get a job paying min 100k
this is the best part. College zoomers think they'll earn this much (protip, they won't)

>>55947332
maybe because they want us to do back braking labor for 18 an hour, which isnt enough for rent or enjoying life

>>55947381
cope. if you go to a decent school in a decent major you start off 70k minimum. with AC and a chair and a computer. have fun fixing toilets for the same pay

PAY MORE AND ACTUALLY TRAIN
PEOPLE, YOU FUCKS

Wages are basically unmoved since 2000. Nobody wants to frame Mr. Boomerstein’s new house for $15 an hour when it’s 100 degrees outside

They're pushing for more people in skilled trade to lower the pay of people in skilled trade.

>>55947332
The vast majority of trade jobs pay like shit and expect everything from you. Mike Rowe is full of shit.

>>55947332
They want trades to become like programming lol.

>>55947383
you're not here to "enjoy life"

>>55947332
Pay
Time you need to work for a home
Vacation
Insurance jew
Pay

>>55947412
That’s how much the wagies get paid but the business owners make fortunes. It’s insane how much money construction contracting/service businesses make. If you are semi competent you can start out as a labourer to learn to trade and then just do freelance work under your own company name and charge $100+/hr for your work. Even if work is slow and you can’t fill the books with jobs you’ll easily outearn full time wagies doing a fraction of the work

>>55947495
Yes i am fuck you jewnigger

>>55947332
Pay is shit. Hours are long. Ruins your body. You’re surrounded by the lowest level of people who have absolutely no choice but to work there and only there. Nepotism runs wild, you will never hold a management position unless you’re related to or fucking someone high up. Unions have been gutted and neutered, so the benefits are usually bare minimum, vacation time is nonexistent, and you’re treated like shit. You’re frequently exposed to toxic chemicals and other hazardous substances. You’ll be working in the blistering heat, the piercing bone chilling cold, and everything in between. Fuck all that.

>>55947332
If they were high paying they would have no problem adding workers.

>>55947425
i make 10$ pr hour without a degree in eastern europe

>get trade job in the 1970s with a middle school education, while on meth
>get your journeyman's license in the 1980s after failing the exam five times, while on meth
>get on the State Board of <Insert Trade Here> in the 90s, while on meth
>create laws that protect your business and prevent new entry to the market from competitors
>take on a single apprentice in your whole career
>you and him split all of the profits and hire illegal Mexicans when you need extra hands
>now you are 70 and your "apprentice" is 55, you want to retire
>your body is destroyed from "hard work" (meth use)
>"Where's all the young blood? Kids these days don't want to work the trades. Not like us real men from back in the day."

>>55947425
Eh it depends. I'm essentially in the position that this guy is looking for. But not really assisting I'm typically the one doing it. He pays me much better than what this guy is doing because we're always working and we do a good job. I could theoretically branch off from him and fill the same role. But I don't have long term plans doing this forever. Which is nice because I don't have to spend money on raising new capital goods to fulfill the role. I prefer having the option to do this if need be. He's older now and hurts, he also doesn't have to work anymore he still does because he likes to do it and it's honestly satisfying in a human way. We make pretty living spaces for people to enjoy and everyone we work for is always super appreciative to have the work done.

There are... obviously bad apples in this sector. I've seen them. If you know what you offer to people is worthwhile then you can actually do quite well. We're more of a symptom to wealthy people having more than enough to spend. I don't want to do this forever but having space and tools to do an odd job on the side for people is what I want to accomplish. I get that the financialized brains of people are more inclined to essentially say "I CAN JUST MAKE MORE MONEY AND GET SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT". But physically bringing something in to existence is a very good feeling.

>>55947373
I work with black people instead. And yes they wear black lives matter shirts.

>>55947332
because apprentice wages are like $18/hr for 5 years while rents are $2k a month and increase 10% a year

>>55947332
Not enough munee

>>55947332
I'm in the trades. Health and Safety. I make the tradies breaking their backs seethe as i walk around with my clipboard making more money than they do for doing almost nothing.

>>55947914
But are they alcoholic?

>>55947332
Is the government now going to give illegals and refugees a security clearance? Because that is what would need to happen to allow them to work on rockets at SpaceX.

>pay poverty wages for back breaking labor
>can't secure workers
It's a mystery! This generation must just be lazy!

Considering they have literal ESL retards working in white collar jobs nowadays I can only imagine how pants on head retarded you would become dealing/working with people in the trades on a day to day basis.

>>55947381
they will, but the 100k will be 50k inflation adjusted

>>55947495
You aren't here to build stuff then

>>55947381
>>55947365
$100k is a poverty wage, only making $100k guarantees you will never own a home, zoom zooms aren't entitled, merely aware of the sorry state of the USD

>>55948135
literal crack addicts
i did for 3 years
get some good stories like stealing cop cars and stuff. got heat exaustion, no one cared, i sat in my car for 8 hours until i was better - after i got off

>>55947741
>slavnigger can't into ppp

The people you work with will either be
>Illegal immigrants that slack off or don't even know how to do a job
>Old white guys that hate life
>Young white guys with drug and/or gambling addictions

It's not a pleasant place to be. Street drugs have absolutely obliterated the trades

it really just needs to be whites only, a low trust society affects every aspect of life especially the low quality shit box you live in with new appliances that break every year

So you're telling me
>Cuts finger off and super glued it back together so he can finish a 12 hour shift
Wait so you're saying
>Works 89 hours a week with 50 hours being unpaid and brags about it
Hol' up pardner
>Votes against his own interest and erodes unions and fair wages
Now wait a minute bucko
>Drinks so much he has liver problems by 40
Now the buck stops here
>Glorifies being underpaid and over worked
So you're telling me
>breaks his body down to make another man rich
Now wait a second
>Eschews safety laws so he can produce more for another man's generational wealth
Now wait a darn minute
>Votes against benefits and pensions
Pardner I think what youre saying
>throws his back out and has to chew pain killers he buys behind a 7-11 because he thinks insurance is for pussies
You're telling me WE WAS TRADIES?!

>>55947332
Im gonna be honest the trades are such bullshit. All you ever hear is "OHHH MY GOD, WE NEEED SKILLED WORKERSSSS" Then you go on indeed and there are exactly zero (0) openings for first year apprentices anywhere. Then you look online on how to get an apprenticeship and there's zero information like yea, if you refuse to train people for a decade you may be short workers when the boomers start retiring. People make it sound so easy to get into the trades when it's really not.

>>55948226
fucking kek

I have a pretty different conception of "trade". to me it means you are skilled labor at something. not some gruntwork wagie or person in an office with a bachelors degree in something entirely unrelated to what they are doing.

this means anything from doctor to electrician to airline pilot is really a "trade". I think the federal govt calls it skilled labor, but either way.

it is obvious that if you want to make it in the future your options are basically get a skill that is valuable.

>>55948246
name one example of this and I'll show you how retarded you are

It's a scam, I've never been offered an apprenticeship. Companies want cheap workers to stay cheap workers.

>>55947425
That ad is hilarious. Yeah, everyone else in the whole world is living in fantasy land. It's not just you who expects people to take $9 an hour to roll the dice on a ruinously expensive back injury.

>>55947970
I'm makiing 38/hr canadian as an apprentice ironworker welder with 1 year's experience
currently at home because of back injury
also have an amphetamine prescription
also hate my job/life
I am a living meme

Because that's not actually how it works.

>>55947332
i wanna get into the trades. which one is easiest for a manlet with the best pay?

>>55948339
>heh you need a car (costs like 5000 average for a 20 year old rustbucket that 'runs', if barely)
>don't try to raise a family (ie you won't be able to have a life outside this job enjoy being a slave until your 40s when your choices in women are 'seeking arrangement' or 'old roastie' or 'filipinx women)
>9-12 dollars aka not even half what it should be if you want people to break and bust their ass and you know it'll actually just be 9
Boomers have actually destroyed society and it baffles me so much to see them constantly complain about it. Why would I work harder, when I can work smarter?

>>55948409
choose a trade that you can easily use for local residential builds (carpenter, plumber, electrician, hvac) then get your journeyman and start a business or do side gigs
just working as a company man will get you nowhere
electricians don't need a lot of tools and don't do a lot in terms of labor but everyone wants to be one so you have more competition

>>55948246
The only thing you ever need to understand about corporate america and the boomer legacy is that the boomers want you to somehow be a fully formed worker with experience so if you're a new zoomer or a millennial looking for a career change you go and look into it and it's always the same "need years of experience in a specific job" bullshit and then 74yo boomer boss is complaining he can't find workers.

This is why retirement was a thing because otherwise you get old dipshits who never fuck off.

>>55948429
the point is you do that job for a couple weeks, maybe a summer home from college at the absolute max, while gleaning some information and seeing if woodworking and carpentry is something you're interested in and/or good at.

this also reeks of being an under the table cash compensation situation. so between not paying taxes, not having to pay for housing and using your parents ca its a pretty good deal. you are literally just keeping the old guy company and doing some heavy lifting for him.

if you actually need to support yourself you don't do this sort of job. not everything has to be some career track, sometimes work can just be a short-term means to an end.

>>55947332
skilled trades shortage? kek.

almost 2 million people in prison. Teach them the trades and make them work for free or execute them if they say no and save the us taxpayers billions. win win.

>>55947409
no skills = no pay wagie

>>55948509
>bro trust me just a few weeks after college maybe you get paid under the table use your mom's car bro
Reminds me of a job posting for an accountant which only started at 20/hr (lol UPS wagies make more than that now) but the HR lady insisted they needed someone who was skilled and they could "ask for a raise later".

>not everything needs to be a career track
I know you're a boomer or at least someone in your 50s, no one has time to just fuck around with non-jobs that waste their time and health.

Your entire post is basically saying it's charity for someone who doesn't give a fuck about you, which shows your shitty attitude and lack of work ethic when it comes to actually finding workers.

>>55948513
Prisoners have more protections than actual law-abiding citizens

>>55948513
they would have to let you out of the prison for that to work. imagine you kill someone and your punishment is being a carpenter for 30 years lol. crime would go up 50000%

>>55947332
all the high payer jobs are reserved for family and friends. every industry is a mafia. and its only getting worse as they keep creating bullshit licenses that new comers have to get

Man this guy really did a number on you people, didn't he? If I was in charge of things I'd have him tried in a kangaroo court and executed for crimes against the state via the purposeful and intentional manipulation of the people under the guise of false promises; a traitor.

Your mothers didn't raise some trench digger. Put on a suit and get a sales job that requires no experience and pays you while you train, or just get a 2 year degree in business admin and get a regular office job. There's literally agencies that'll get your foot in through the door as a temp-to-hire. I don't know about you guys but I'd rather deal with the office politics than break my body by age 50 NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT PAYS. You can't put a price on quality of life.

>>55948552
>Reminds me of a job posting for an accountant which only started at 20/hr (lol UPS wagies make more than that now) but the HR lady insisted they needed someone who was skilled and they could "ask for a raise later".
this is nothing like that job.

its not charity. you get a few bucks and dont have to make any sort of commitment longer than a few weeks. for the right kind of person in the right kind of situation, particularly with a good home life, it can be pretty decent.

but I know you're a mulatto zoomer with an absent father and coal burner mother. no white picket fence for you/ you were born low class trash and you will die low class trash, just like your ancestors. really, no loss.

now go mop it up, wagie.

>some nerd zoomer faggot shows up in our shop
>washes his hands any time they get grease on them
>doesn't understand any fucking jokes
>stares at this phone the whole fucking time when he isn't being paid to stare at something
>just kinda seems like he's here for the paycheck.
Listen, kids. Some jobs aren't there for you to avoid doing them when you show up. If you're a mechanic, you better be a fucking mechanic. You don't fake being a mechanic. It all comes out in the wash. Seen it too many times.

>>55948606
>imagine you kill someone and your punishment is being a carpenter for 30 years lol. crime would go up 50000%

are you sure about that? sounds like nobody wants to be a carpenter if I am reading this thread correctly haha. Besides, they have been doing prisoner supervised work detail like digging ditches and stuff for years. Point it we have useless prisoners sitting in jails costing people money and not doing shit.

>>55947495
That's where you're wrong, jew.

>>55948688
im a CFI, in my case its
>C+/B- stick and rudder skills, which isn't bad for a student pilot
>doesnt want to study anything, just wants to fly
>only knows meme tier shit like squawk 7500 (hijacking)
>cant read a sectional, cant figure out E6B, can barely even use foreflight
>promises to memorize the ACS or a few of the most important FAR's for next flight
>next lesson he clearly hasn't even looked at them
>wont do ground school
>complains about 1500 hour rule despite being at 20 hours
>"when am I gonna solo"
>"the DPE will look past that right"
>"i'm not ready to take the written"
but we are literally not allowed to threaten them with ending training, so they never improve or face accountability. then I come on 4chan and read this shit about how nobody gives them a chance. gmafb.

>>55947332
Trade wagies make weak salaries, you only get big money when you go into self-employment/business ownership or management

ownership or management usually require a degree, a decent IQ, high testosterone, and a shitload of time

wages don't really scale until you become a multimillion dollar business.

you probably spent 30 years working your way up to ownership or management, so most of your career is over and your body is shot before it MIGHT pay off.

It can be a good career, but it certainly isn't an easy or fast one for most people. And kids these days get that.

>>55947332
>Don't work
>Be poor

>Work
>You're still poor, except now you have no free time and are also funding globalism and your own demographic replacement

It's a mystery

>>55948669
>for the right kind of person in the right kind of situation, particularly with a good home life, it can be pretty decent
absolutely not

for $9 an hour you would be better off chilling at home

no one’s time is worth that little

>>55948280
I'm almost a fully qualified electrician and can't get work because I don't have any experience. This after after going through multiple ZOOM interviews ffs

we've seen what our taxes get spent on

>>55948648
but anon, you’re just too fucking lazy

>>55947409
You don't deserve nice things chud. Now get waging. Rents due

It’s not. These headlines are a cover for shilling for immigration.

>>55948648
Biggest regret of my life is when I bought this BS and tried to go blue collar after getting a degree and working a very high end white collar job. I feel as if that’s the single biggest blemish on my biography.

>>55948863
I don't care if it only lasts a few years before I run out of money and then have to an hero, but I WILL retire to some tropical place and drink Polynesian Pearl Divers with a young woman that looks like pic related (stay mad), and she won't be a prostitute either; she'll legitimately be attracted to me and my dick WILL get hard without the need of pills or pumps, or whatever, and there's no way I'm getting there if I'm laying cement all day under the sun and then eating pizzas with the foreman after work (I worked construction after high school and you HAVE TO eat the pizza and drink the cheap beer with the foreman)

>>55948935
kek. i work in accounting and almost fell for the electrician meme because my early career job sucked ass. i might leave accounting (for healthcare) but it's still 100x better than being a tradie wagie.

>>55949041
I wasn’t even a tradie. I straight up quit my job for a blue collar labor job, albeit one that paid a lot, and quit almost immediately.

>>55949049
what kind of blue collar job?

>Be me
>Take $1500 in savings, the only money to my name
>Do leverage trading, shitcoin trading, and NFT trading
>Make $250,000 in 1 year

I have no trouble sleeping at night, but I do feel bad sometimes that in order for me to win a ton of people had to lose. I never scammed anyone, despite having plenty of opportunities to take tens of thousands of dollars
It feel like I'm living in a casino sometimes

>>55948925
It is true in that most of these places can't find people who stick around because anyone worth a damn isn't going to accept a job that pays 40k a year

And due to 80 years of inflation, none of these companies have the profit margins to train anyone

>>55949053
>why work when you can just take your credit card to the casino

Ok retard

>>55948226
Very good

>>55949050
Oil. I’m in Texas.

>>55947332
They’re fucking retarded bro!!!
Absolutely useless they just get in my way

>>55947495
See the terminally online start to seethe at even the notion of an individual enjoying their existence.

>>55948226
Yup. That's why I don't get mad when I hear about immigrants taking those jobs or people complaining about fast food jobs not paying a living wage.

Yes, there was a time when blue collar work was a good job, but it's not the 50s anymore. Get used to it. Fast food jobs are supposed to be for college students or kids in high school that need money to take their girlfriends somewhere so they can fingerfuck them; it's not meant to be a career. If you're working at McDonald's in your 30s you fucked up.

You can basically take the "Mike Rowe pill" and apply it to white collar jobs. Yes sometimes you'll have to work on Saturdays, and come in early, and buy coffee for your boss....but that's how you become a partner, or that's how you get the hot leads which eventually will result in a very very good career. Sure there's the journeymen and truckers that own their own fleets and have dedicated routes, but for every one of those there's an ocean of guys that throw out their backs and *POOF* they're now worthless to the entire industry and have to "retrain" at 45....I literally work with a guy who that exact thing happened to him and now he's learning to sell insurance but he looks like an old machine part that's broken. Can't type for shit. Can't learn how to even work the phones. It's useless....HE is useless. Remember you're always one bad fall away from losing it ALL.

Fuck the trades.

>>55947332
Because every zoomer wants a wfh job where they make 6 figures and do 3 hours of "work" every day. Imagine being in high school and everyone is applying to universities and when someone asks what you're going to do and you say "l-learn a trade". Everyone is going to think you're a fucking loser even though you will be debt free and make more money than 95% of your classmates.

Society has devalued blue collar work not just financially but reputationally.

>>55948697
who says theyd do good work? theyd just see it as a way to be out in the wild. they could even fuck women while on the job, it's not punishment enough.

>>55947332
If I want to get my CDL, I need at least 3k, take multiple weeks off of work and THEN I have to travel either across state or out of state.
No, no thank you, dipshit.

>>55947332
Why would anyone want to combat a labor crisis? Do they want wages to go down?

>>55949237
immigrants dont really do construction /blue collar,(other than mexicans) you would think it would have a lot higher wages

>>55947332
>offer less than living wage without benefits for skilled labor jobs
>HUR WHY WON'T ANYONE WORK?
Truly a mystery.

>>55948161
Buy BTC.
>>55948200
>>Young white guys with drug
Let me stop you there.
Is he getting the job done? Is he keeping his mouth shut and not stealing? Then let puppy get high as a kite.
>Land of the free.

>>55948357
>I'm makiing 38/hr canadian
its insane how this used to be a really good wage just a few years ago

>>55948280
CDL.

>>55948357
>also have an amphetamine prescription
Lucky.
>>55948357
>also hate my job/life
Same bro.
>>55948552
>know you're a boomer or at least someone in your 50s, no one has time to just fuck around with non-jobs that waste their time and health.
Yupp.

>>55948669
>but I know you're a mulatto zoomer with an absent father and coal burner mother. no white picket fence for you/ you were born low class trash and you will die low class trash, just like your ancestors. really, no loss.
My skin is pale and my nips are pink.
Get raped by a pack of nigger boomer.
>>55948669
>now go mop it up, wagie.
I dont mop shit at my job, boomer.

>>55948688
>>just kinda seems like he's here for the paycheck.
You're not interesting nor are you funny, your jokes are older than you and you're so fucking old.
Shut the fuck up.

>>55949331
>back pain and addicted to drugs
>but you get 38$/hr

>>55948817
>and your own demographic replacement
I'd love to see niggers shitting up my town.
I own nothing anyway.

>>55948915
>Rents due
Learn to budget.
>>55948925
I'm all for more immigrant.
>>55948988
Based as fuck.
Bring on the African horde.
>>55949053
>>Do leverage trading, shitcoin trading, and NFT trading
>>Make $250,000 in 1 year
Post strats nigger.

>>55947332
How are we importing millions and millions of immigrants every year and we still have a labor crisis? The fuck constitutes a labor crisis?

>>55949237
>Fast food jobs are supposed to be for college students or kids in high school
Says who? You? You're dumb as fuck.
Jobs a job and jobs should pay decent.

>>55949370
>The fuck constitutes a labor crisis?
Boomer doesn't want to hire anyone that won't brown nose and be his best friend.
Just leave the west when you can.

>worked at amazon warehouse
>big break room is set up like prison in the way groups of people split up by race on their own, white people were at their own tables, muslims at their own, american blacks at their own, africans at their own, asians at their own, latinos at their own, "diversity" pushing goes out the window in a second during breaks

Construction will probably wind up going this way. No more big district unions, just split up crews doing business in uh... monero. Fuck the local governments and fuck their fiat.

>>55949374
>jobs should pay decent
I agree, and no kid should have to suffer the pain of dying from cancer.....but yet...

>>55947332
How about having an actual shortage and paying more?

>>55949390
That’s the whole intention of immigration, diverse working groups are less likely to Unionise. That would require a level of trust which diversity breaks down. All so Mr Shekelstein can skim a few extra shekels off the top.

>>55948031
Some are. They bring it in waterbottles and they stink like weed and alcohol

>>55949370
>immigrants
>we still have a labor crisis?

A lot of those immigrants can't even read in their own language, or they only know metric and don't follow OSHA safety standards. I work with a girl whose dad used to pick up trash at construction sites and he was never able to do anything beyond that because he couldn't read directions. Everything had to be dictated to him, and of course who's going to put up with that?

He's my "landscaper" and unbeknownst to him, as soon as he leaves I have a real landscaper come and trim the foliage properly. It's the only way she can funnel money over to him because he's too proud to take it, or at least that's how it used to work until I started banging her (pic related it's her); now I pay him out of my own pocket. It's kind of sad because he asked to use the bathroom once and I had to make up some excuse that the plumbing was acting up, and then he offered to fix it but I just had to keep making up bullshit because that's where she was hiding so he wouldn't see her through the windows.

I know she looks young but she's actually 25...just so you all know.

>>55948988
>I worked construction after high school and you HAVE TO eat the pizza and drink the cheap beer with the foreman workplace politics is always dumb as hell

>>55949435
>this bad thing happens therefore no good things are allowed to exist
fuck you, you bitter piece of shit

>>55949237
>You can basically take the "Mike Rowe pill" and apply it to white collar jobs
The issue with the mike rowe shit is that it’s not strategic at all. Think of the broke lawyers making ~$80k at shitty small firms. Or even those that are unemployed. Most of them probably “worked hard” but it was worth nothing in the end

>>55948817
Yeah why is this the case now?

>>55949533
>workplace politics is always dumb as hell

It is, but at least the point I was trying to make is that if you're going to engage in said politics, then at least make sure it pays off as much as possible. Once I got into insurance sales as captive agent, my chief trainer kindly asked me if I could pick up his nephew at the airport.....on fucking thanksgiving's eve at LAX. I didn't get paid for it and his nephew was a spoiled fucking asshole that didn't even acknowledge my existence; I might as well have been robotaxi. Buuut....shortly thereafter I noticed that my leads were getting better, and he even handed me his golden list of clients that would always renew, which resulted in me making tens of thousands of dollars.

Drinking beer and eating pizza with my boss and laughing at his boomer jokes for hours after work when I was working construction got me a free lap dance at some piece of shit strip club in south central Los Angeles. Like that's the only benefit I can think of that I got out of that whole ordeal.

>>55949541
>>55949594

I'm sorry, what's your argument? There's no need to get vulgar. I'm not understanding your stance here. So you're saying......?

>>55949541
Why are you deleting your posts? I'm just trying to have a discussion; one that might help people, and only because I think that this new mindset of "becoming a tradesman" is terrible advice for people born and living in the most powerful and wealthiest country on earth. Sure, I absolutely respect people that have chosen that path, but it's kind of sad because there's way easier and more profitable ways to make money here.

>>55949618
What are you confused by?
>>55949650
I only deleted one post, and it was because I fucked up the quote

>>55949497
Such is the life of a tradie

>>55947332
>shit pay
>no career advancement
>roasties lmaoing when you tell them you're a mechanic/bricklayer/plumber/carpenter
>fucked back and knees

>>55947332
Because the pay is $20/hr

>>55949618
Why does everything need to have a “point” anyway? People like you are insufferable.

>>55947880
I hate when people say that. I do stuff myself anyway because why should I pay some crackhead 5 grand to do something I can do in 2 weekends for 400 bucks and 3 trips to Home Depot

>>55949665
Sorry I'm a little slow apparently. Would you care or be kind enough to just do a qrd of what exactly your stance is? It feels like you're agreeing with me at times but then you get combative later on.

Was it the fast food thing? You do realize that if they started paying those people six figure salaries the entire business model would collapse, right? The corporations that run them wouldn't be able to make their bottom lines (which includes mega bonuses for their CEOs, and that's fucked up but it's just the way it is). That entire market was literally designed as a way for young Americans to be able to make pocket money while they go to school....and sure, at some point they were even able to pay for school with that money, but now tuition is hyperinflated due to demand and arguable policies within the schools themselves that are corrupted as it gets...but that's a whole other discussion.

>>55948669
Nigger if you consider $9/h a wage you're the lowest of low class. If my kid told me he was going to lift heavy shit for $9/h I'd flog some self respect into him

>>55949749
>Why does everything need to have a “point” anyway?

When grownups have conversations there is always a point of discussion on both sides, even if they agree, there is always a point. If they disagree, then there are two points of discussion.

I won't be replying to you anymore.

>>55949452
It's more than a few.

>>55948669
Kill yourself boomer

>>55947332
the $20 an hour/ absolutely shithouse pay. what is the cost of getting them to do the actual work? like is the employer/ business owner getting rich as fuck? or does the work not cost much? in my country (australia) trades get paid heaps and the cost of the work is extremely expensive.

>>55949755
Same brah, pick up a collins /diy/ for $5 and you can do any trade correctly without going down the trial and error root of fucking it up till you get the gist of it having to listen to some shitty radio station learning off a boomer for $9 bucks. My only issue is im arachnophobic and one roof was built by cowboys who didn’t put any ventilation in it so the south facing roof has been collecting condensation for decades now and it ran down one side of the house. It’s a cramped space, there’s hundreds of dead flies from when something died up there and hand sized spider corpses everywhere. A one to two hour job of drilling two air vents would save me $2000, as the tradies round here are in demand and know they can charge boomers anything. Did up everything else (new electrics, plumbing radiators, walls, plastering, flooring, tiling, drainage you name it) after buying a run down house and doubled its value easy, aside from this one structural issue I’ve been sitting on for two years not doing it, just have a dehumidifier going 24/7 instead so it doesn’t become a structural issue.

>>55949801
those flea bombs mate. the cans that lock on and spray until empty. open the manhole and chuck a few flea bombs in there like flash grenades. give it a couple of days to settle and then you're good. nothing will survive.

>>55947397
Imagine going into debt hundreds of thousands of dollars when you can make more than 70K (even in the midwest) as a truck driver or car salesman with no education. Universities used to be bastions of knowledge, now they are just institutes of indoctrination and bank slavery.

>>55949452
We know this and yet don't counter it by unionizing anyway. It's strategically perfect, too, because they don't expect it.

>>55947365
>be me
>blue collar
>never done a camp job
>never travelled to site before
>just work in maintenance
>literally do nothing all day but sit on a computer looking at symbols and numbers.
>no trouble, no problem.
>easiest 8 hours of my life.

>>55949809
Just going to have to man the fuck up and do this :(
>t. Will leave the dehumidifier on for another two years and eventually pay a tradie

>>55949503
>It's kind of sad because he asked to use the bathroom once and I had to make up some excuse that the plumbing was acting up,
Anon...
> and then he offered to fix it but I just had to keep making up bullshit because that's where she was hiding so he wouldn't see her through the windows.
Oh, that's actually sweet in a sitcom-y sort of way. Full George Lopez (literally, there's a tradie episode).

>>55949838
>paid apprenticeship
>earns 80k

>>55949871
That is 80k base you retard. You also failed to take into account overtime, banked overtime pay, paid excess vacation, christmas bonus, 4 on 3 off shift, night shift differential, first aid, fall arrest, trade cert differentials, promotion to foreman, sup, manager. Literally they make minimum 100k a year. Kill yourself.

>>55949902
lolno
t. electrician

>>55948200
>Old white guys that hate life
this has been the bane of my existence as a machinist,
>took apart old magnet from a surface grinder
>smells like sewage
>hasn't been serviced in thirty years
>old toolmaker comes back from vaca
>throws a literal shit fest over what i did
>takes it apart poorly
>next day boss tells me to put it back together cause he only works 3 days a week
it actually worked better the second time i put it back together, mind you this thing weighs about one hundred pounds all together, but everyone's happy with how it works now.

>>55948226
Best post

>>55948761
>CFI
Lol sounds like you're the scrub. Why aren't you working commercial or private anywhere?

>>55949306
Our rulers do

>>55948409
HVAC install

>>55949782
>I won't be replying to you anymore
I see

I was just giving you a hard time but fine be that way

>>55947495
Then sure as shit people won't spend it working Anon?
>>55948915
Then you won't have skilled trades. Simple as.

>>55949354
You have no future.
By 2035, you'll be homeless and fighting with a bum over a loaf of bread.
I want you to remember this comment when he kicks your teeth in, when you can't afford medicine, when your loved ones die of sickness and famine.

>>55947332
5 seconds later:
we're replacing you with cheap labor after the US gov sues us for not hiring "migrants"

>>55947495
>jewish narcissism intensifies

>>55949838
chris:
hates his job
has arthritis in his back at 42

fuck the trades, i got a small taste of it as an IT guy for a small AV company
you only get benefits and reasonable hours at big companies
all of the on-site techs and laborers are overworked and spite each other
the companies are always owned by entitled boomers that bootstrapped the company using a combination of their dead parent's money and cash they saved working when the trades were less regulated
the pay is dogshit and no one outside of work respects you
you work with literal drug addicts and alcoholics
upward mobility as a career requires you to leave and start your own shop, but your retarded boomer boss will hold their unenforceable non-compete clause over your head if you get out of line and you'll likely be too clueless to know your rights to fight it
saving money is basically impossible because you're paid peanuts, have zero health insurance starting out, and your entire paycheck will go to rent and gas, since lots of places expect you to use a personal vehicle if they're shitty enough
your body will be beaten to shreds by the time you're 40

no one should go into trades until a trade job can get you laid like it could in the 60's, and you can bootstrap your own business without the insane amount of licenses and certifications that such businesses require now - until then, it's not a career so much as it is indentured servitude to a boomer that's using you to buy his 3rd house

>>55947332
because those boomers keep young people out on purpose

last decade I'd tried to break into the trades and no boomer would hire me

fuck em

>>55947332
>skilled trade
No such thing.
>phillips head, flat head
>socket, wrench
>breaker, wire, ground wire
>measuring tape, saw push button
>drive tractor. Literal xbox controls
>pneumatic hammer, air compressor on
Any retard with a 5th grade education could do this. They don't deserve maybe a buck more than a janitor makes LMAO

100k is nothing in 2023

I was offered a jump 3 months after completing boding bootcamp (paid 21k USD) that was 134k/year

I'm now making just shy of 200k only 2 years in. Plan to make over 300k before 5 years is up and hopefully, one day, 500k.

300k is the new 100k.

>>55949949
>>smells like sewage

kindly elaborate, pardner.

>>55948988
unbelievably based

>>55949758
>You do realize that if they started paying those people six figure salaries the entire business model would collapse, right?
good

What is the play here?

White collar jobs are being outsourced to India and theres more supply than demand. AI is streamlining a lot of the work too so people are required to do more for the same amount of pay. Blue collar jobs are still needed, but the pay is pretty shit. Old guards retiring, and millenials and zoomers cant turn a screwdriver and rather pay someone.

Is there an abundance of blue collar work with demand increasing? Over the next 10 years could we expect to see blue collar pay increase. Seems like it would be a good move to get into some specialized blue collar work that requires expensive tools and a little bit of brains.

>>55951065
HVAC and electrician. High pay, and not going anywhere. Also locksmith and elevator mechanic in the right market.

>>55947332
getting a job as an apprentice in a skilled trade is way harder than it needs to be, they expect you to waste a year as a general labourer for shit wage before they'll let you actually apprentice

every company will hire second year apprentices but nobody wants to train them

government tries to fix this by training refugees and immigrants in trades, but the ones that can be roped into it are usually very stupid since the smart ones realize they can make more money pretending to do office work

>>55949937
Based tradie. They don't know you only make the big bucks when youre running the business. A NEET definitely made that meme

>>55951099
These don't require expensive tools. You could open a business and run a crew, but people can go off to work for themselves. HVAC probably takes a year or less to learn and an electrician like 3-4. You could be owner operator and make good money, but these types of business dont really scale. The fab shop I worked for probably doubled its lease size every 3 years for 12 years.

Im thinking more along the lines of cherry pickers, brush mowers, backhoes, 5 axis mills, 220 ton press brakes, etc etc. High capital equipment with probably not too many regulations. B2B operations as business will probably be the only people with money in the future.

>>55950758
It's a coolant grinder and all the seals on the magnet wore out so there was 20 years of leakage inside. Nothing I had cleaned it up easily. Just xylo and a scrub till it looked good enough.

>>55950304
Don't do it. Worst experience of my life. Id rather be dead than work in shitty HVAC

>>55947409
nah I would rather hire Puneet Kumar to fix my toilet for 17 an hour. They are clamoring for any kind of stable income. And even then Pajeets are more respectable than your average white man. Puneet even calls me sir while he fixes my toilet. While the white man just curses he actually has to come into work.

>>55947332
They could stop voting the open-borders ticket, for one.

>>55951379
and then takes a dump down the side of your house before leaving

>>55951379
>nah I would rather hire Puneet Kumar to fix my toilet for 17 an hour.
>WTF why are there no tradesmen who can actually fix my toilet around?
The dichotomy of man.

>>55951413
Most baby boomers are fat and entitled. They are mentally incapable of realizing that the world their parents built for them is gone, and they ruined it. Boomers instead steal from the younger generations to have a comfortable retirement watching Fox News/CNN

>>55947642
excuses

>>55951383
There is no such thing. A Republican president other than Trump needs that flow to sustain his buddies' businesses. Or do people forget the immigration rates under Bush?

>>55949937
Nigga you probably only pull wire and bend pipe. That is the lowest tier of electrician I consider trash. The real electricians are doing scadal, ooking after protection control systems and maintaining gear. Even the EEs get jealous since these based electricians run the show You will never be that kind of electrician. KYS

>>55947495
>>55948915
>Will post garbage like this
>Then wonder why people don't work
Kek

>>55951793
>nigga
stopped reading there

>generating tax income
>So boomers, niggers and publicly financed whatever can have a comfortable life
Lol. Try to enslave me, my rifles are ready to kill you all

>>55951793
Inspection certified, if I ever meet you I will not sign anything off until you rip it all out and do it again until I am satisfied

>>55952941
>Frog post
Larp detected

>>55952948
not LARPing if it's on the internet, retard. it's just RPing

>>55947365
fuck off jew. im licensed as an electrician in my state, and yet the pay and benefits of almost every place are not anywhere near commiserate with my skill and years of experience. you faggy wanted infinity shitskin cheap labour, well enjoy. like most white men, I've checked out to watch the world burn.

>>55953035
>commiserate
illiterate retard

>>55951379
>hiring someone who doesn't use toliets to fix one
ok

>>55952958
Yeah frog poster, sure thing

>>55953043
>frogposter
This fucking board has IDs, and you morons still get confused about who posts what. Incredible.

>>55953038
same reason fags was changed to faggy. autocorrect is shit.

>>55953059
dumb phoneposter

>>55953052
Defending a frog poster is the same thing as being the frog poster. Get lost chang

>>55953071
I'm not defending him, retard. I'm saying that what he's doing is RPing, not LARPing. You can't LARP in text form lmao. What do you think the "LA" stands for? Are you some kind of ESL?

>>55952948
Imagine if you will, your peepee in this device

>>55953087
>>55953075
Go back ccp drones, Xi the pooh bear needs rice farners not ineffective pseudo propagandists

>>55953096
based schizoposter
fuck the Chinese government fuck Xi the Pooh but most of all fuck morons who think you can LARP in text form when the LA stands for Live Action.

>>55947752
instead of doing street drugs they should take steroids. If I was a tradie I'd be juiced to the gills. Why do physical labor everyday without roids?

>>55947332

the boomers run the labor unions and the constructions companies and those chosen gen x kids are just as greedy if not even worse.

the wages are nearly the same as a warehouse material handler, in some cases less.

>>55947590

That's the way to do it... undercut your bosses, go behind their backs and offer their clients 1/2 price. kek.

My friend did this and his boss was threatening to rope. so he gave him back most of his clients.

>>55947970

lol, i was working on a site installing solar panels for $16 per hour and the electrician was only making $14, he was really sad and said he just hopes his 3 years goes quickly.

pic related, target female households. never ending cash grab, you will probably get some pussy too because many are broke and desperate.

>>55949830
two degrees cost me $8000 in loans. Go for STEM, comp sci, business and you're great. Go for basket weaving and you're gonna have a bad time.

true story, i got paid to clean this woman's bedroom, she was maybe 22 years old, it was filthy, crusted panties under the bed, nearly $40 worth of coins under her bed, cigarettes ashe everywhere, nearly a 1/8 inch thick dust on everything, computer was caked with dust and cigarette smoke making the dust sticky, the DVD drive wouldn't open. I cleaned it all for $150, she then took a liking to me she gave me a handjob and i nutted all over her arm.

never talked to her again after that, she looked like one of the witch actors from the movie hocus pokus, the one with the red hair

>>55951151
>Capital equipment
>High barrier to entry
No. A small time operator can just rent from Sunbelt. Owning the equipment only makes more sense if you are running it everyday. Mowers are a good racket if you can get institutional or government contracts.

>>55953356

>>55953246

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>t shill
Kys

>>55953298
>crusted panties under the bed, nearly $40 worth of coins under her bed
These are the perks white-collar limp-dicks are missing.

>>55949053
Nigger how post your strategy

>>55951151
>>55951099
Im just passing through but high barriers to entry = lower chance of business failure. 90% of businesses fail, one mistake people make is going whats the easiest shit I can do (that everyone else is making unprofitable already because they had the same idea)
Think of some obscure shit that people need, like I dunno something to do with sewage. Things people avoid.

>>55947381
the thing is you have to be making 100k just to stay above the poverty line in this country nowadays

>>55948669
Yes I agree with the other posters. You are out of touch and should kill yourself.

>>55953628
lol, this is bait and only true of retarded bugmen who live in big cities

>>55947332
Why should anybody work and pay taxes to prop up socialist programs, politicians pensions and an overblown public employment scheme that produces nothing

Throwing my two cents into this thread

>Be me
>Surveyor/GIS Tech
>Apply for position with larger company
>solid application, interview with Ops Mngr and my direct supervisor.
>Goes well and he’s enthusiastic about bringing me on board.
>Gives me a number 20% higher than what I’m already making. No brainer
>Handshake agreement pending official offer.
Fast Forward a Week
>Receive terse email with attached offer letter from shrewish HR harpy.
>Offer is for 20% less than discussed
>ie. what I make right now.
>reply with WTF
>Harpy looks down her nose and tells me I should be grateful, they had to bend rules and she didn’t approve but they “dug deep” and got me this. She wanted to offer me -20% what I make now.
>Get slightly emotional at this point but remain professional
>Decline the offer, and wish them well in filling the role, given that their offer is below market average, and they’re not communicating truthfully to candidates
>Position continues to be advertised
>after a year I reapply for shits and giggles
>immediate response from HR harpy;
>”The position has been filled.”
>gets reposted every month for another year
>it’s still up now

I have no sympathies. These companies are either penny penching idiots going down with the ship, or else they’re completely cucked to HR harpy types who turn them into rotten corporate gynocracies. Either way it’s a huge red flag - for the companies, for the economy, and for society.

>>55947373
This guy gets it.
>>55947365
>>55947381
These guys are retarded out of touch boomers. No one thinks that

>>55951379

He might call you sir, but he also hates and resents you. And the whole time he’s checking out the inside of your place for valuables, points of entry, and which bedroom doors are your childrens.

>>55953691
he's not far from the truth. you bought a home prior to 2020 or you're a dirty white nigger living in abject squalor.

>>55948669
Please kill yourself so that whatever wealth you're still hoarding can go to someone that isn't in lalaland thinking it's still 1995.

Also, stop importing turd worlders that are desperate enough to work at those prices.

>>55953621
>high barriers to entry = lower chance of business failure.
Agreed. The old riches in niches. It's hard to make money competing in the same market everyone else is trying to compete in. Vape stores are my favorite business to see fail like this.

>>55947332
because everyone knows plumbers, welders, electricians, hvac techs all get fucking cancer from crawling around in all kinds of shit
no one wants that shit and especially if they arent getting pussy

>>55947412
its not just that but they disproportionately raised property prices versus other things
at the time a gallon of milk was 50 cents, a new house was $4000
now milk is like 3 dollars, or six times more
but there sure as fuck arent any $24000 hours
when you realize that most of america has tons of untapped land that people should be able to live in, it doesnt make sense does it?
well it does when you realize that this is all engineered by jews

>>55947373
Honestly as someone who worked in the trades for like 5~ years the guys on site are usually the better part of it (at least some of them are funny/friendly); the work just fucking sucks and you get nickel and dimed for everything. 10+ hour days and half the time you are just sitting around and waiting for other people to do their job plus you gotta deal with a lot of bureaucratic bs all while the companies just treat you like shit while pretending they like you. Add onto it the physical nature of the work and potential dangers it's just a shit deal, at least if you got paid a good wage it would be worth toughing it out but 100k a year isn't even that much anymore.

Nowadays government just makes up this labor shortage lie so they can bring in 3rd world foreign workers to do the job for a pittance which also generally adds to unsafe conditions because a lot of these guys flaunt OSHA regulations much too frequently or by mistake because they don't know better and can't even speak English as fluent as you'd want.

>>55954446
We have a whole department of HR, all they seem to do is mass email everyone with ‘well being’ emails and update posters in the toilet.

>>55956087
Forgot about that aspect - industrial accidents. Much more common than people realise. I’ve witnessed two major accidents that nearly resulted in fatalities and was talking to a guy the day before he got mangled to death in a giant agitator because someone forgot to isolate a conveyor. Knew a guy who fell off a small wall and landed on a ladder, breaking his back and leaving him wheelchair bound for life, having to dig his own shit out if arse because he can’t physically squeeze it out. Overall it’s a weekly occurrence on a big enough site, from small cuts to worse.

>>55947332
Not sure why you're posting this
let me elaborate.
I am 44, I spent more than 10 years as a Millwright/Welder in the power industry.
Most of the crafts/trades people follow family tradition.
It took me about 12 years working full time going to university part time off and on to get my BSME.
I can never imagine working in the trades again, shitty pay, shitty benefits compared to engineering.
The Joys of working on a construction site and shitting in a portapotty in the 100F florida sun.
I've had coworkers tell me sometimes being on the job, the portapotty shit has gotten so high that they put cribbing over top of the seats to avoid sitting in shit.
If you were working for a job like Reliant Energy, or Duke Energy as an instrumentation tech or welder, than you can do pretty good. These jobs are far and few between, and getting smaller due to the destruction of American industry.
Otherwise you will work for insecure white trash and boomers.

>>55956182
>Well Being
>We did everything we could
Do not be deceived Anon
All well being emails and employee surveys are company liability mitigation.
>We did everything we could
So when a wagie finally blows his top and decides to go for the high score, the company had offered all of this help for him so they are not liable.
As well as company psychologist
Also please refer to HR employees as Carpet Pigs or Carpet Hogs
Carpet pigs and their offspring will be held accountable day of the rope well before niggers or jews will

>>55947332
pay

>>55947425
Ironically Mike Rowe has never had a job
Republicucks suck his dick when he talks on fox news.

>>55947332
When you take White peoples reason to exist away, aka caring about other White people you end up with a bunch of guys who have no purpose in their life and see no reason to give a shit about anyone. Why would I invent things for a society that hates me and makes me want to die. Why would I put fires out for a race of people who shoot at firefighters when theyre putting the crackhouse out. I wouldnt, and so I didnt.

Also big kudos to my teacher, who became the private school principal afterwards for telling me her brother was in his 30s flipping burgers because he trained and was ready to be a firefighter but wasted his entire 20s not being hired due to diversity quotas in the early 2000s for women and east indians etc. Really made sure I never aspired to be anything for anyone.

>>55958104
Nigger you really bumped this old ass thread

>>55947495
Boomerism mentally

>>55948246
All the people I know that got into a good paying trade did it through the military of family.

>>55947332
Skilled trades is for indians now.

>>55958335
But indians are completely incompetent

>>55958365
MmmmmmmmMMMMMMmmmmmMmmmmm squiggly bobbly benchood, squiggly bobbly

>>55947642
Worst part is the people.. if you are even slightly above midwit threshold it's like a constant alarm going off in your head, saying "GET OUT, GET OUT"

>>55949795
The business owner pisses away the profits on expensive toys, and the work isnt worth much due to competition from immigrant labor. Instead of drugs, the business owner buys motorcycles, flashy cars, boats and various other moneysinks.

>>55949795
Tradesmen get paid fuck all in austfailure

>>55956449
Who's a better grifter Mike Rowe, David Ramsey or Desantis?