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>>55939552
No because tithing undermines the sacrifice on the cross and its just church pastors trying to squeeze money from their congregation
Also evil comes from sin which comes from the exercise of free will

>>55939552
No, fuck those fags. Christianity is just progressivism by another name.

>>55939552
Unrelated but do anons here read/have read religious texts?
I'm not talking about just Bible but texts of other religions too.
Like Quran, Gita or Buddha's text(whatever they're called) and some other.
I've been interested in devoting some time in them but want to know if they're even worthwhile before I start.

>>55939668
If you enjoy reading fiction, go ahead. If you don’t look for profundity in these texts, you’ll make a lot more progress with the literature.

>>55939617
You don't give a dime to help keep the lights on? If you're in a heretic protestant religion then I understand
>>55939640
Kill yourself kike
>>55939668
It's absolutely worth it because it's how you will find God
Good news is that the Catholic church was right all along
God, our creator, entered our world as a man named Jesus Christ (I understand this can sound nonsensical, I was an agnostic for over a decade but I finally properly investigated it because I wanted the truth no matter where it took me)
I pray you will find your way home to God, he created you and loves you

>>55939552
I don't do 10%, more like 3%, but I will once I'm completely out of debt.
>>55939668
Christ is king, simple as. You can spend the rest of your life pondering penal substitutionary atonement and not get to the bottom.
>>55939640
There are plenty of jewed churches whose pastor and parishioners fly rainbow flags and would tear out their own tongues before they criticized Israel (sic). They are getting it wrong.
To keep things business oriented, it puts a man's soul in peril to fuck over his employees. Doing the right thing by your employees is also just good business in the long run. My father-in-law ran a construction company and had an average employee tenure of 15 years. He would regularly undercut his competition by 20% and still come out ahead on the bottom line.

>>55939736
> Catholic church was right all along

The Catholic Church is never right. How many Hail Marys did you do today? Oops, you just blasphemed Jesus

>>55939552
That quote is absurd. The monolithic monotheistic imaginary friend wasn't even invented yet.

>>55939552
Of course I do. Our small (but growing) Orthodox parish needs to keep the lights on somehow, and pay the priest a livable wage. The Church has helped me immensly during some of darkest times of my life, so tithing is the bare minimum way I can say thank you. I also volunteer as much of my time as I can, fixing things, painting, setting up, cooking, etc. If you're destitute don't feel obligated to tithe, but try to volunteer and help out where needed.

>>55939552
>if you a puny human, do mental gymanstics then you can decide upon divine matters larger than you as you are larger than some microbe and much more times
Priest visits my home twice a year, before Saint Nicholas day in December and before Resurection of Jesus Christ day know as "easter" by western heretics.
Its when my family gives two modest donations every year, and I give small donations every time I go to church.

>>55939736
>I finally properly investigated it because I wanted the truth no matter where it took me
You’re all the same. Kek.

>>55939777
>but I will once I'm completely out of debt.
based, I'm currently donating 15% of my income to my local mosque. We will take over europe so the world can heal

>>55939552
I refuse to give to the catholic church while a jesuit is pope

>>55939781
>My flavor of schism is the correct one, pastor Jim Bob said so!
There is no salvation outside the one true church founded by Jesus Christ himself, come home and repent
>>55939906
The Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus Christ and the denominations that went off to go invent their new religions took the bible with them and perverted it to mean whatever they wanted it to mean
All 40,000+ of them are heretic religions LARPing with the bible they stole

>>55939552
churches have become businesses now and they're all about the almighty dollar and not the almighty these days. they used to be able to hide their shit but on the nextdoor app their shit is being called out now with struggling, christian families asking for food and every church tells them to fuck off we're full. they literally only cater to those who donate tax free money to them

i think ti's way overdue to tax these charlatans. if they tell us to give till it hurts, they should abide by that same theology

>>55939552
All religions are lies based on control and leveraging a lack of understanding of the world around their followers at the time the were concocted. If you believe in a religion in 2023, then you are actively playing yourself and should be embarrassed.

>>55939736
> I finally properly investigated it because I wanted the truth no matter where it took me
lmao are religion faggots even sentient

>>55940071
>the solution to any problem is giving a parasitic bureaucracy more tax revenue
All taxation should be abolished, its theft plain and simple.
>>55940224
Its not 2006 anymore, atheism is a failed, dead-end worldview. Grow up

>~1999-2021
>refused to let God into my heart
listless, no consistent love life, unsure about what I wanted to do in life. in retrospect I was still blessed, but I didn't feel that way at the time.
>2022
>let God into my heart and life
found my career, almost by divine intervention. have been with an extremely good woman who adores me for over a year now and it keeps getting better.

long way to go with my faith. and I lose track of how important my relationship with God is sometimes. but I can see the road ahead of me and what I need to do to realize the plan God has for me and how the Catholic Church is part of it. the results are inarguable.

>>55940280
i see nothing wrong with taxation if we're only taxed on what we spend, not what we earn, but i don't believe that'll ever happen. politicians are too greedy and the vatican is the largest money laundering scam in the world

>>55940341
you did not answer the question you fucking faggot retard.

>>55939552
I pay a lot more than 10% to the church of gay nigger communism (the government).

>>55939978
>The Catholic Church is the church established by Jesus Christ and the denominations that went off to go invent their new religions took the bible with them and perverted it to mean whatever they wanted it to mean

Ah yes because the implementation of:
>Saint worship
>Outlawing the reading of scripture by non-clergy
>Pagan religious festivals superficiially repurposed as Christian ones
>Confessionals
>Brutally massacring villages and communities that disagreed with teachings
>Being a literal Qanon conspiracy devoted to covering up the sexual assault of little boys throughout millenia
>Perverting the teachings of Christ who explicitly spoke against the same shit being done by the Jewish priesthood
> Practicing idolatry, avarice, gluttony, and state-sanctioned murder at the expense of the populace

But it's the Protestants who are a cult

I love Jesus Christ, I velieve he died for my sins and I believe in the resurrection, but no i do not pay tithes to the church i attend, the pastor does not work and im pretty sure he just uses the tithe money to barely give to the organizations they claim the tithes support and the rest to pay his mortgage and renovations on his house/ private christian schools for his kids and pet monkey, and their vehicles..
the guy talks and has the mannerisms of an actor, he is quite good at it.

>>55939552
Man, i wish people would stop doing evil crap and start worshipping YAHWEH. Maybe then we wont get burnt to a crisp.
I don't want to see everything destroyed and die. Please stop all evil things.

>>55940533
evil people cannot help themselves. they think they are way smarter than they actually are.

I have no money and I must buy.

>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE FREE WILL?
>WHY WOULD GOD DO THIS?
AAHHHH

Giving money to churches instead of directly to your fellow brothers is spitting in gods face, we are all god do you guys not understand that?

An organization isn't god it's literally nothing it's more of a concept than religion itself is.

>>55939978
You are correct about the protestants, but you guys were the first schismatics when the Patriarch of Rome split off from the other 4 Patriarchs in 1072.

>>55940444
>Can't even interpret simple Catholic truths without being wrong about them
>Expects to be able to interpret the bible correctly
>Stole the bible and made up your own religion
Repent

>>55940585
>we are all god
Mormon-tier theology. Christ instituted The Church during his earthly ministry, and valid apostolic succession was established through Pentecost (the work of The Holy Spirit). We have valid, effective sacraments because The Holy Spirit works through Christ's Church. Yes, humans are fallen and can screw it up because of our sinful nature, but Christ guaranteed that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. With everything The Church has been through (Arianism and other heresies, muslim conquest and occupation, bolshevik conquest and occupation, modernism), you would think it would have been snuffed out long ago. But it wasn't, its still here and growing, thanks to the work of The Holy Spirit and Christ's promise to us.

>>55940585
a lot of the people involved in the church sure do act like they can speak for God and do no wrong. why is that?

>>55939552
kek christbaggies

>>55939552
Not but I do give what I can afford, which admittedly isn’t much. I know I am too greedy and should sacrifice more in order to make the full tithe.

In the Bible God regularly says “don’t test Me”, except when it comes to the tithe He literally says “test Me on this”.

>>55940668
>Mormon Tier
Alchemy and religion have been around for thousands and thousands of years mormonism is less than three hundred years old fuck off.
>>55940674
God chooses who he speaks through because god is enlightenment, people speaking at a church are using false witness.

>>55940668
We are all literally god, I am was the whole point is saying
>I am.

We are.

You are, and I am.

And yet I still find my brothers annoying because I find myself annoying, we are highly self critical versions of god.

>>55940800
its people in the house group. one of them literally said "god is speaking throuh me, you should get a hair cut" lmfao

>>55939978
>changes the 10 commandments
>changes sabbath day to Sunday, inverting the 7th day to the first
>pope absolves sin that only Jesus can do
>says pope replaces Jesus
>baptizes with sprinkles of water instead of full submersion
>clothes her people in scarlet like it says in revelations 17:1
>allows pedo
>now allows for openly gay pedo

We know you for who you really are.

>>55940829
Tell him
It takes years of practice to be able to reach the door, I've been practicing for decades and gathered the ability for "god" or the well of knowledge to pour forth from myself.

This isn't controlled, it doesn't come on like a light switch and people who are openly saying that haven't even started the path of enlightenment.

Everyone reaches the same goal just different destinations, unfortunately most humans recycle back into the earth for centuries before gaining this understanding.

>>55940877
im not telling him shit, they don't understand my way of life and that's fine, im by no means good or close to it. i do drugs, drink, havent worked for a while etc. it was just funny to me. its funny to me how disconnected from reality a lot of regular church goers are.

>>55940927
I cut that part off I had a smart ass remark I was gonna say but not worth the effort to those types.
Funny enough you're closer on a path of enlightenment
>suffering
Than those recycled souls will be.
You will eventually need to beat your addictions though.
Eventually.

I'm not religious but as far as Christianity goes if you aren't orthodox then shut the fuck up. This includes Catholics who were the original heretics but goes one hundred times as much for absolute heretical horseshit like protestants and whatever offshoot doctrines the retarded Americans have created.

The ones that do know of it try to point to scripture to call it heretical and it makes me fucking laugh. Also Anglo churches are devoid of any soul. At least the Catholics got that right

>>55940984
im in the middle of doing cutting all that bullshit out right now. had my fun and now the party is over or ill die/ lose everything.

>>55940997
Orthodox are the original heretics you dumb fuck

>>55939552
I tithe. God has been very good to me, basically everything I ever wanted since I came back to the faith. Found a virgin wife, got two sons now, two dogs, a house, low seven figs net worth, remote work job, and a racecar in the garage. Catholic gang. I even like my Bishop, he supports the Latin Mass.

>>55941041
You will but start off one at a time, if you're doing drugs and drinking/smoking cigs just cut the drugs out, then once you've got that under control start eliminating more.
If you try it all at once you will fail.

>>55941054
The people that complied the book you point to are the heretics lmao. You want to discuss the ten splits before there's really no point. The ten people believing in whatever it was before established orthodoxy can continue. It's the most logical start point. Save the debates for bible study this weekend

>>55940832
Sola scriptura is not in the bible
You pervert OUR bible to mean whatever you want it to mean, thus there's around 40,000 fake heretic religions LARPing as followers of Christ
Learn your true religion, come home and repent, you will be forgiven
>>55940997
>I'm not religious but
Kill yourself kike

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>>55939552
this quote is dumb. god allows evil to exist to test us and figure out who is good and bad and allow us to face adversity so that we can grow

>>55941124
You started the schism and then demented yourselves so much you had offshoots of offshoots that you're now seething over. Just remember that.

Nothing requires god to be omni anything. He just needs to be able to create our universe, perhaps not even willingly. Might as well more of a thing than a being. Anything past that is speculation.
In fact, it's possible to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent without being god. Imagine running a physical simulation of a small universe. Within this simulated universe the operator would be all that but he would not actually be god in an absolute sense because he himself is caused by external factors even if no one in the simulation would be able to tell.

Imagine believing in an imaginary skydaddy in the current year

>>55941540
Not as much as a skydaddy as a mirror image, except once you learn to walk into the space between you can communicate otherworldly knowledge.

>>55939552
My Aryan boy Epicurus dismantling Hebrew nonsense with razor sharp logic.

>>55941540
>le intelectual thinker

>>55941124
My brother in Christ, anyone who believes in the Holy Trinity, the immaculate conception, the Son of God born as human, the blessed resurrection and glorious ascension to heaven is not a heretic but a brother.

>>55939552
WOAH BRO YOU HECKIN DEBUNKED ALL OF THEISM WITH A PUNNETT SQUARE NO WAY I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT LIKE THAT B4

>Just get in the pod
- Epicurus

Only a moron would do that. Believe in an all power deity who needs…money?

>>55942886
Epicurus did not debunk theism, he exposed sheer idiocy of Jewish religion, you ultimate faggot.

>>55941124
>we believe in this guy Jesus
>he said these things and did these things and said we should also say and do these things
>pope: those aren’t necessary, be gay, chop your dick off, and be pedo

Lol, catholics really?

>>55939552
He in and isn't able. He in and isn't willing. He does and doesn't bow down to Epicurus demands. Look into quantum physics if you don't understand.
>>55941124
King

>>55939552 (OP)
He is and isn't able. He is and isn't willing. He does and doesn't bow down to Epicurus demands. Science is slowly catching up.
>>55941124
King

>>55939777
> Christ is king
> 777
Checked anon, Christ is king.

>>55939978
Catholic means universal in Greek. Then you started adding books. Martin Luther preserved the word of God

>>55939552
Didn't Hume actually say this but got it attributed to Epicurus to make it seem wiser/older?

>>55940832
I'm protestant but at least get the facts straight
>Jesus only enumerated 9 of the commandments, keep holy the sabbath is not mentioned in the NT, in fact Christ says in Mark the Sabbath was created for man not man for the Sabbath
>They never actually claim to absolve anything themselves. Criticize their idea of acting in persona Christi instead
>Pope is just meant to be a living figure who interprets when conflicts arise and holds the Church accountable
>Didache allowed for affusion and if you hold no regard for faithful tradition you're an idiot
Anyways if you're gonna attack the catholics choose things that make sense like questionable Marian dogmas and intercession outside of Christ

I never understood protestantism.
They hated tithing.
And now Catholics do not tithe and Protestants do.

>>55941509
Running a simulation does not make you omnipotent.
You can't take a shit and have that mean your little simulation people discover breaking the atom.
Omnipotent means you can do things that make 0 sense. 1 day passing on Mars could mean your dog is gay if you were omnipotent.

>>55941054
>>55940997
>t. don't know about the Coptics, Arianism, gnosticism, and docetism
>>55942627
>the immaculate conception
The rest I believe in but didn't get this from the Bible. Are there any books or writings you would recommend or is this just something you repeat from a priest?
>>55943608
>Then you started adding books
The canon has included the Apocrypha since they tried to standardize it in the 4th or 5th century there were some disputes in regards to whether they were necessary but no one ever called them heretical. There were questions about not including Hebrews because it's authorship was disputed but I bet that's in your Bible

>>55943763
I think of it like an electric current that gives life and form to everything. We are just clusters of atoms.

>>55943763
You can do that in a simulation assuming it's sufficiently advanced that there are solar systems and dogs inside. You can bend the rules or arbitrarily make shit up at any time. You can stop time at any point, look everywhere, inspect the state of every place, etc. I'm not saying we're actually in a simulation like that, I'm just trying to get a point across here, namely that omnipotence, etc. from our frame of reference is not sufficient for something to be God. And I would argue it's not even necessary.

Maybe the god *is* limited like you describe? Why would he have to be all powerful? All knowing?

All the pagans in here who ignore the entirety of their book and their Prophets all calling to worshipping the Almighty alone, submitting to Him alone, He alone should be asked for help.

They claim Jesus is king while ignoring every command he gave them: worship the Father alone, they ignore, fulfill the Mosaic Law, they ignore, keep the 10 Commandments, they ignore.
Now they want to convince us that the Almighty Creator, Lord of the Universe, came down as a baby to be breastfed and have his nappy changed, to live poor and humiliated and ultimately commit suicide whilst naked on a wooden stick. All to forgive Adam and Eve for eating an apple.

God saved the Jews from Pharaoh, they turned and worshipped a golden cow. God saved the few followers of Noah from the Flood, their children worshipped rocks. God saved the Christians from Roman persecution, their children worship the man who lived to teach them about the Father. Glory be to Allah who is above what the Christ-pagans claim.

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>>55939791
Monotheism isn't a kike invention despite their lies