/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55837963
I know OP I could use free money too badly infact I could use about 7439 dollars in free money to be specific lets build a time machine.

>>55837963
NGMI

Nice buy signal thread.

>>55837963
wow youre so right. i just sold everything i own and am preparing to live in a cardboard box on the streets. thanks for the advice i cant wait to die alone.

>>55837976
Yeah. Everyone who didn't already /make it/ isn't going to magically get money from every government to shitcoin again. It's unironically over. Crypto will never make new high.

disagree. interest rates will go back down, maybe not to 0 but close. they have 2 choices, dramatically lower rates quickly or crash the economy. i guess i could be wrong and this is really the end of the world as we know it but i dont think so, if you really believe that buy guns and a bunker,

Absolute shitcoins are doing 10xs as we speak and OP spouts this bullshit lmao.

Damn harrypotterobbamasonic is at hundreds of millions mcap, PEPE went to a billion and the true mania bull didn't even start yet. Buckle up

>>55837963
>free money insanity of 2020/2021

>supposed to guard against inflation
>doesn't do shit
lol

>>55838925
>he bought so late he hasn't made ANY gains
LMFAO

Are demoralisation threads mostly just le joker shutins trying to bring other people down or is it literally government agencies tasked with undermining the happiness and will of as many people as possible?
Or is it both?

>>55838022
The shitcoins are getting those gains because whales are getting bored with their BTC/ETH bags so they take a small% of their BTC/ETH and sell it and buy the shitcoins to create some mania in the market.

>>55838928
>pyramid scheme falling like a house of cards
enjoy your last days son

>>55838938
It's former perma-bulls who sold the bottom and are now experiencing schizo-levels of demoralization. they were wrong and failed, and this is something their A+ 4.0 gifted-in-highschool brains cannot process so their only solution is a fabricated cope that THIS time we really are two weeks away.
(because they have to be right of course)

>>55837999
CHECKED
KEK!!!!!!!!!

>>55837963
>as liquidity is being drained
What the hell are you smoking, we had a bunch of rephrased QE already, and this regime of rates can't stay up for longer than next year before the central banks are forced to go back to negative interest to avoid a world wide systemic credit freeze

>>55838960
>he bought the top
LMFAO!!!

>>55837963
My man clearly doesn't know about VINU
>dogcoin
>same devs of dogbat
>sells NFT as well
>ATH
>shortable as fuck
>had a 5x this year

>>55837999
I am inclined to believe and this is what I've been saying.

However, now the popular opinion seems to be that the crypto bullrun will never happen, which is in fact bullish.

>>55839242
>vinu
even has a jeet name

>>55837963
never seen any rip after a halving. not everyone is as retarded as the people desperate shilling their bags.

not knowing about QRL can make a man feel hopeless

I can't tell if BTC is going to dump at the halving because of "muh halving" or just pump all the way to 200k because anons here are also saying "muh no halving"

>>55837963
BTC is going to 80-90k at the next peak then dump. Everyone will be screaming for 100k, 200k etc. during this time.

>>55837963
But I literally made it a few months ago with PEPE? I went from having only $8 grand AUD in my bank account to becoming a multi-millionaire in a matter of weeks. I had 2.5T PEPE and sold 2T of it nearly at the peak.

>>55837985
Never mind an entire year of bobos fudding crypto. This post alone is the reason Bitcoin will nosedive in the next few weeks.

>>55838938
Bit of both.

>>55838002
No they have two choices, print money after the economic crash or implement austerity/increase taxes. The debt is out of control and the interest on the debt is approaching $1T.

>>55839481
Pajeet scored big with PEPE, no doubt. As for me, I cashed in and spread my gains across utility tokens with potential to double up. I'm talking XRP, XTP, KNC, VRA, and even Doge, waiting for that ATH smash

>>55839481
Nice going. I hope there's another Pepe around the corner but not optimistic. Hard to know which ones are legit and have potential in a sea of rugs, scams and fizzers.

>>55837963
Same thing was said in 2018
And 2015

>>55840894
stock market was making new ATHs on a monthly basis in 2018

exact same bullshit as 2014 and 2019
buy signal

Good. 2021 was utter trash and hopefully in next run the actual good and serious projects will absorb most of the money

>>55837963
Dear Lord, this truly is the bottom, isn't it?

>>55837963
Will you newfags shut the fuck up already? Retarded shitcoins are doing x's all the time.

>>55838002
It took 2 years to raise interest rates and they're still not done. Do you really think rates are going to be sub 7% anytime in 2024 lol?

>>55837963

>>55837963
>It's never halved in a recession
It has.

AI and quantum computing will hack every existing crypto
and your brokerages
and your bank account
"if you don't hold it, you don't own it" is the new "not your keys, not your crypto"
boomer rock holders will inherit the earth

>>55839429
>next peak

>>55841110
QRL is the answer

>>55841052
Some folks are just too retarded to believe that the future possibilities of the Web3 ecosystem are crippled. Many folks failed to understand that even in the bear market, many will still profit in future trading, spot and airdrop. Those who got an Arkham airdrop got practically above what an average earned a year in just a single shot. The next could be zksync, probably peaq, whose token launch is at the corner, and to be eligible, one needs to hold at least 2k KREST. Still waiting on this and that of Sei, but fuck the team for sei for the delay.

>>55841289
LayerZero will drop before ZkSync, probably by the middle of October.

>>55837963
2020/2021 definitely wasn't a "golden bull" it was the worst bull run so far in terms of overall returns on average. 2017 was the golden bullrun back then you could have picked any token listed on a major CEX and get a least a 10x

>>55841462
>x10

The average alt did x500-1000 ytd. In 2021 the average alt barely did x5

>>55837963
You're probably a retarded fag. The halving is going to happen, Anon. I'm holding more KREST in my non-custodial wallet to participate in the PEAQ airdrop.

>>55839429
Based, Anon. The poorfag isn't aware that I can own a tokenized Tesla on Eloop via Polka and profit from their daily revenue stream.

>>55838002
>interest rates will go back down, maybe not to 0 but close
They won't though. INterest rates being close to 0% was literally a meme from the Obama era you fucks are just all <30 and don't have any understanding of history. The goal IS to push you into saving in dollar bills and away from crypto/foreign exchanges. It's going to go back to where it was pre-2008 crisis when you could actually make a return(even a poor one) by having a normal ass bank account.

>>55839732
Jeet, memes are only for short-term gain. I'm banking on DePIN as Brainstem Health will allow me to own and monetize my health data on wearables.

>>55837963
>the free money insanity of 2020/2021 is never going to happen again.
i don't understand this
2022 and 2023 had their shares of x10 and x100
not talking about jeet shitcoins either. rather stuff like velodrome or gmx
are you guys just normalfags contained in the bisexual finance + telegram diaspora, unaware of anything actually happening in blockchain? explain this to me

>>55841504
When I say "any alt" in 2017 could have gotten at least a 10x I do mean any of them. You could have picked any altcoin on a major CEX and gotten nice gains simply because there were less coins and they only pumped on exchanges with good volume.. If you picked a moonshot in 2017 then you got 100x - 1000x. In 2020/2021 there were tens of thousands of shitty altcoins and many of them never pumped, now it's a crapshoot and it's only going to be worse next time around

>>55841383
I heard that, but I thought it was rumored since the team has not made it known to the public if there will be one by then or not. I will ask a friend who is well connected.

>>55839732
>>55841699
I hate the niggerfaggot janny even more than you currybots since he refuses to sweep you niggers away.

>>55842169
which doesn't matter because most anons made it to 6-7 figures with those previous cycles
so we only need a 10x, maybe 20x at most to make it

>>55842342
You need potential big gains to attract new money to the ponzi through FOMO, if you don't have potential of big gains, there's no new money to pump bags. Anyway we'll see how it goes.

>>55842629
the gains and fomo are happening in similar scale to how they were happening in 2017, its just that scale today represents a tiny fraction of the market instead of bitcoin and everything underneath.
that mania is never coming back to anything in the top 50 or even 100, they're too big and too liquid.

>>55841887

>are you guys just normalfags contained in the bisexual finance + telegram diaspora, unaware of anything actually happening in blockchain? explain this to me

Yeah I am. Free me. Where is the best information? There's a ton of noise and garbage, where is the good stuff?

This bullrun will be the golden bullrun of (new) alts and shitcoins. BTC will top out at like 98k, maybe even like 89k, while everything else besides the current top 50 does like a 1000x. Btc maxis WILL seethe.

>>55837963
no it's not

https://www.dextools.io/app/en/bnb/pair-explorer/0xb88b28320de3c1819e70144e85075c569c223ab3

>>55837963
>The last bull was the golden bull.
Keep shitting around, BTC is bouncing back hard soon... I'm buying BTC ETH, NXRA, and LINK till I die...

>>55838938
There really are paid demoralization shills. These are the same people that are saying all WFH is gone forever and that ChatGPT will replace all programmers in 2 weeks.

>>55837963
We will still have gains they just won’t be as crazy. You need at least 100k in market to have a okay chance at making it next bull

>>55844558
>at least 100k
Fallacy of the highest order... I only have 2k in NXRA and 5k in BTC, I'm ready for the bull run.

I unironically hope the government bans crypto as its all just a pump and dump scam and a literal cult at this point.

I got in too late. I put 12k down literally right before the last time and I was up to 35k but I fell for the HODL memes. I have dca'd everything down to a reasonable price and that's where we've been stuck for over a year. Now, it seems too easy, like all anyone has to do is buy 5 eth, 1 btc and 5,000 avax to retire? Yeah no way is any of that happening. I bet we see 16k btc before 32k and even after that it will only go as high as 40. All this crap about 180k btc and 20k eth is a pipedream.

>>55839429
>BTC is going to 80-90k at the next peak
not even. If Bitcoin even breaks ATH again it will be pushing it.

Why do so many people fail to realize that memecoins are all ponzi schemes?
Just ask yourself, why should the value of a bitcoin keep going up? What is the actual demand for this technology (aside from speculation)? What problem does it solve and why should a single unit cost $30,000?

>of 2020/2021
it was from like 2009 tho

>>55846086
there is no reason at all and except the retardation of the heard which, although not limitless, is immense

>>55842287
I say "probably" but no one really knows. It sounds like the tech is ready to go, they're just waiting for the market to rebound so people just sell it all as soon as they get it. If it isn't done by mid October they'll probably wait until the new year, same problem with launching too close to Christmas.

>>55837963
Liquidity is fleeing anon. Nobody knows where to go, but we do know that sovereigns are beyond fucked too. What are your options. Gold? Fundamental stocks valued in dollars? Foreign currencies?
Bitcoin is one of this

>>55837963
It's not going to happen because that's what most people are expecting

>>55837963
Explain PEPE this year then

>>55837963
And the interesting part is that you retards helped funding Russia's war. They were into the scamming game biggly.

>>55846369
>Russia is the only one who bought Bitcoin at a low price
retard

>>55839176
>go back to negative interest to avoid a world wide systemic credit freeze
Nice, $150 loaves of bread incoming

>>55839288
The next bull run is actually closer than retards realize. But till then I'd keep slurping the tokenized Teslas on Eloop to earn a share of daily revenue.

>>55837963
Same shit I've been saying. 60k was only reached because dumb money was given free tickets to enter the market and pump the bags. Why do you think non-meme stocks are back and even beyond their 2021 ATHs but not crypto? You have to be insanely retarded to think the magical internet coins will even near that because of some halving.
Remember when ETH switched to POS? Remember how everyone was going on about the flippening? Remember how it was touted to kickstart the next bullrun? Same shit with the halving.
>>55839288
Everybody's waiting for the big hail mary halving which won't do shit and gonna be a big fart like ETH PieceOfShit was.

The fags raving about muh demoralization are the real kikes giving you false hope to pump their bags when in fact it has been over for 2 years now.

>>55837963
I’m sitting on 1M hbar. I’m gonna go sicko mode if crypto ever recovers

>>55837963
>the government will never print money again

lol, imagine actually thinking this

>>55837963
Bitcoin moves according to the market, no one cares about your 'recession'.

>>55841289
Where do I get KREST?

>>55847200
>the government will never print money AND give it via stimulus checks again
ok there, fixed.

>>55847200
>The government will annihilate the dollar before WW3
You're supposed to go Wiemar mode AFTER the war

>>55843506
>while everything else besides the current top 50 does like a 1000x.
nope, what will do 1000x are random animal coins and meme coin scams, it will be like playing the lotto since many will rug and only a few will moon. Good luck with that, that's what crypto is now, a crapshoot.

>>55846086
They're all bagholders, they know this deep down but they desperately need it to go up.

>>55839481
Please tell me how you found out about PEPE *THAT* early. Help a brother out.

>>55838938
Its both. Like all government psyop programs they try to make it self sustaining. So the people who the government successfully demoralize start bitching about it online because they are demoralized and then they demoralize other people who do the same and so on.

Why have propaganda where your agency does all the work to spread it when your agency can instead do minimal work because you just create a contagious mind virus of despair on day one? Ezpz more funding plz.

So basically, dont fall for it.

>inb4 thread 404
>Verification not required.

>>55843400
>>55841887

This. Where the fuck do you guys find the right info. What are you looking for and where?

>>55837963
>free money
get panning

>>55847277

the stimulus check printing was a net decrease as far as government money printing goes. or do you really think just giving people 2000 each has a larger impact than the trillions given away in tax breaks, grants (lol, did we forget all the corporate money that was given away and forgiven?), infrastructure projects, etc. stimulus checks are small time. if someone forgives 10-20k each in student loans, what then? that can happen

>>55837963
>the free money insanity of 2017/2018 is never going to happen again. People acting like Bitcoin just going to rip because halving. It's never halved in a recession as liquidity is being drained. The last bull was the golden bull. If you didn't make it then, you're not going to make it. sorry.
that's literally you in 2019, OP.

>>55847896

dont forget gwb literally already did the 'pay people to vote for me' move years before. it's not even an unprecedented move

>>55847916
It's not unprecedented but it's cyclical and it likely won't repeat until a few more years, right now my gut feeling tells me we have a 50-50 chance to see a minor bullrun or not in 2025 but that would really depend on the wider economy conditions, but by 2031 we'd be into the full bull part of the next cycle

>>55837963
>is never going to happen again
It will keep happening over and over until we are all dead. After that, it will continue without us.

>>55846301
USD or Treasuries
Maybe large corporate debt obligations if you want to take on a bit more risk

>>55837963
You are right. There will never be any investment opportunities for the history of mankind, especially in crypto. It's all downhill from here
I wish there were some way to make money when markets go down.

>>55842629
youre looking at the problem like someone who is invested and educated. a normie thinks bitcoin and still sees the news articles from last pump in the back of its mind, even if they wont admit it for fear of standing out too much. they will absolutely fall for it again.

>>55846086
the value of bitcoin has no roof because the value of the currency you denominate it in has no floor

>>55838022
What are you talking about. 98% of shitcoins rug or tank within the first 15 minutes

>>55839242
>same devs of dogbat
This is meant to make me not want to buy, correct? If so, it’s working

>>55837963
Disagree - MY 25000 stack of blackswan will be fine after they release phase four with the tg bot. IFYKY

>>55837963
Fuck bottom signal

>>55849739
I have half of that, I'll match you anon

>>55843400
>>55847678
plebbit is unironically a good entry level source, r/ethfinance specifically
ethresear.ch for keeping a pulse on deeper level discussions
following select twitter accounts. forget garbage influencers/traders with 200k followers. all the best stuff is from lower profile people, whether devs, founders, thinkers, defi degens. if you simply mute/block people who mention cexes regularly or industry-wide drama like sbf, the algo quickly zones in to relevance
discord, discord, discord. the "telegram pajeet" meme is not a meme, it's a strong heuristic. overall quality of a project calling discord its home base tends to be significantly higher than of a project using telegram first
github is another good source. obviously limited if you can't read code, but still insights even then
onchain analytics. going into this is the biggest +ev move you can make for yourself. defillama is the most accessible, dune is more comprehensive but also takes more work. also get into the habit of reading blockscanners. there's a treasure trove of information in etherscan, but most people don't even check 1% of the content there

info is out there, the hardest part is learning to filter
to save time, do NOT do:
- youtube
- podcasts
- centralized stuff
- e-celebs of any sort
basically, avoid places with intermediaries when said thirdparty has a vested interest in selling something to you
the great part of blockchain is transparency, you can find out anything if you decide to go look for it

>>55839288
checked

>>55837963
It wasnt even as crazy as 2017

>>55842169
not only tens of thousands of altcoins but every poor person in the world now has a crypto wallet.

in every market, with saturation comes lower margins.

>>55849688
>the value of bitcoin has no roof because the value of the currency you denominate it in has no floor
the value of toilet paper has no roof because the value of the currency you denominate it in has no floor

>>55837963
do i get a refund or something?

"Goldman Sachs says its baseline forecast calls for the Federal Open Market Committee to start cutting the fed funds rate in the second quarter of 2024."

>>55839481
how are you dealing with the taxes?

I can see by this thread bitcoin still isn't done harvesting souls

>>RED
>>Everything is RED
RED bird, RED moon
RED sky, RED light
RED, everything RED
RED heart
RED Keys, RED diamonds
RED out, RED, everything RED
RED, everything, everything
RED, everything, everything
RED, everything, everything
RED, everything, everything RED

>>55848094
Don't stop I almost came. Keep going with the predictions every 5 years for the next 50

HR/recruiting roasties at tech companies making $180k starting to do nothing all day was the top. once again, women are a top indicator.

>>55847032
Those situations aren't the same

>>55837963
clueless normie, bitcoin will be the nr 1 currency on earth in 20 years probably rivaling some other goverment tokens (because cluesless normies will always blindly follow goverment)

>>55838961
Brutal. There's at least one person that's going to read that and be seething sporadically for days.
>>55847032
If nothing happens all the way from here to the halving, and it comes and goes without a massive pump, I would assume it would destroy the market.
Realistically, I'm expecting a massive pump in the lead up to the halvening. I'll bail at a 3X.

>>55847873
everyone was given several free tickets to ape in whatever shitcoin was available, so all this dumb money allowed the crypto bull run to happen. combine that with the notion that people thought bitcoin was the future of finance and that was what made it skyrocket. an obvious example was seeing how extremely crowded fast food drive thrus were, people were on a spending spree with covid bucks.

>>55841639
Could this be a good deal? But this news is truly exciting, and my conviction is that the ambassador program will not just enhance ASTRADAO's visibility, but also offer users extra chances to earn.

>>55849693
Reason why I'm pushing positively towards the newly listed GLW on MEXC. This is a gold mine.

>>55847184
Stay smart and get ready for a pump with Galactic war, A fresh era of captivating and rewarding experiences have begun

>>55853072
You can continue being an expectant of a massive pump while I try index investment platforms like AstraDAO. This is melting faces.

>>55850016
Alright thanks. What specifically are you looking for on the scanners? Intra project connections/funding? Former winners holding sleeper projects?

>>55837963
Using drained and bull in the same post. Oh my...

>>55838386
i should've moved to ukraine to keep gettng free gibs. what was i thinking?

>>55845075
Sry bro you will not make it

>>55837963
I made some money off memecoins a few month ago and now I've bought CYMI, RIO and AZERO which are alts for long term hold because I know that there will definitely be another bull market.
You can actually continue bitching around like some people like you did in 2019 and then miss out

>>55837963
It's obvious that NGMI

>>55857525
Nice list of alts you've got

>>55837963
They are warming up the printers as we speak nigga

>>55837973
I already have one, but I can't let you use because the last guy I let use it went back and stole it from me and keeps fucking me over so I can't build another one.

>>55837963
No one told him about the dog with a bag… it’s over

>>55838938
It's comical how similar it is to late 2018.
The FUD, the FED, and the threads - all exactly the same.
>balance sheet normalization
>QT on "autopilot"
>crypto will never go up again
>the stock bull market is over
>recession imminent
To be fair we did have a reasonably significant economic slow down occur going into 2019, an admixture of overtight FED policy and disruptive trade policies causing friction on international trade. But in the end none of it mattered, and here we are with BTC still nearly 10x higher its 2018 low - same FUD, same FED, same threads - and yet price is 10x higher. Really gets the noggin joggin.

>>55857525
I can bet on CYMI. They are covering more regions always. It was opened to the UAE market recently through endorsement.

>>55859960
Naturally, DePIN is global in scope, providing a setup where individuals become owners of the economy. This implies both devs and users can oversee and profit from these machines. Do your research, anon, don't waste your hard-earned on shitcoins.

>>55838938
>>55838961
>>55844545
>>55859827
>number going up = world is gooder. >number going down = world is bader
Weird how the first thing I learned in econ 101 was that troughs and drawdowns were healthy parts of any market. Deflationary periods used to be considered natural opportunities to reload bags and evaluate future opportunity. Now, caution for rampant inflationary policy has been thrown into the wind so we can crawl the SPY up as food, housing, energy, and goods go full Weimar mode.

You perma bulls are positively insane if you think feds are fuding your bags. The political elite don't want the number to go down. Boomers don't want the number to go down. Normies getting in late don't want the number to go down. Blackrock doesnt want the number to go down.

>>55860572
Based Anon. DePIN is a game changer. Peaq, Iotex, Dimo, Natix are changing the landscape.

>>55860572
That badass allows Anons to own a fraction of Tesla on Eloop and profit from their daily revenue stream.

>>55837963
The free money insanity of 2020/2021 is happening next year. People acting like Bitcoin just going to die because of the recession. It's survived other downtrends and hardships like the cockvid and survived. The amount of altcoins and gems has only soared since then and with the apparition of x.com and the cypherpunks coming together plus elon making crypto the currency of x we have only started to tap into the full potential of the ecosystem.The last bull was one of the many golden bulls to come. If you didn't make it then, don't worry, you can still make it.

>>55837963
Wait for the big institutions to come in before you conclude or say when it is over. BlackRock and more are joining the ride. There are institution ready Defi projects like OndoFinance, SpoolFi, and MakerDAO.

>>55837963
Keep fading as I print from Qanx dumbfag. NGMI

>>55837963
I'm going to get the sui stack of RAIL. It's a fucking buy signal people!

>>55837963
buckle up, we are going to witness the fastest over 100k bitcoin chart, we are currently in the phase where we need get those too much online people to sell, normies have already sold.

>>55863596
If it is building and has the community then you are gonna make it else you're not. Same reasons has kept me accumulating NXRA and LBR.

LETTING ME DOWN LETTING ME DOWN LETTING ME DOOOOWN

>>55857584
This is obviously not for Qanx as holders are already preparing for its incoming private mainnet launch

>>55839242
>same devs of dogbat
That's supposed to be good? BITCOIN is at a higher marketcap than dogbats ATH in a bear market. Dog bat was literally just a piss in the pan that rode the final scam pump 2021.

>>55837963
do you know how bad it feels to know that my one chance to ever make it in life was to buy bitcoins in like 2011, put them on a cold storage wallet, do nothing for a decade, and then just become a multi-millionaire?
i pretty much want to die every day knowing that my generation was given one chance to just make it without ever working a day in my life and i fucking blew it
its all so tiresome