/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55818528
> About Capitalism
https://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webm
> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webm
> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
https://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webm
> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
https://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webm
> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
https://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm

>>55818528
Capitalism doesn't have founders it is the natural state of things since the emergence of private property and establishment of urban settlements. It existed long before Adam Smith and it will continue to exist as long there are limited resources in the world

>>55818539
Retarded serf

>>55818528
>>55818539
Kill yourself nigger faggot
>>55818582
This

>>55818582

>he thinks people had "economic rights" and the pharaoh/king/village chief couldn't seize your assets or tell you how to live your life whenever he felt like it.

i kek'd. you literally think something invented in the 1800s is "human history" and "human nature".

>>55818676
You are a dumb nigger. You are the blackest retard gorilla nigger I have ever seen.

>>55818528
> About Capitalism
https://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webm
> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webm
> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
https://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webm
> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
https://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webm
> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
https://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm

>>55818539
>>55818762
Kill yourself spamming nigger faggot.

>>55818782
>>>/reddit/

>>55818784
Dilation station is thataway, tranny

>>55818828
kek

>>55818828
> ((( "if you oppose trannies, then you're a tranny!" )))
So, you're a jew engaging in jewish projection and inversion of reality. Good to know.

>>55818528
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>>55818891
Seems legit.

>IMG_NUMBER
Ah, the catspammer from plebbit.

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>>55818924
Take your meds schizo

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>>55818901
>IMG_NUMBER
It truly is the catspammer from plebbit. The moment the dead cats were posted ITT, he ran out of the thread. Glorious.

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>>55818891
I hate this shit, but i understand it's normie repellent.

>>55818957
that's the default iphone filename, commie faggot

Nothing makes plebbitors seethe and cry as much as dead (((cats))).

>"One may call him plebbitor or a normalfaggot, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But show him dead cats and you'll be astonished how injured he is, how he recoils..."

>>55818966
>says "normie" instead of normalfaggot
You have to go back.

>>55818676
>t. historylet
The egyptians couldn't even trade gold because of religion, they still practiced capitalism.
Robin hood is a pseudo-mythological figure, not a full mythological figure and the sherrif of nottingham was a bad man working for a pretender.
The greeks and (pre-caesar) romans had more democracy in their pubes than you've experienced in your entire life.
Lydians had a sounder currency than your deaf gran.
Sumerians were top copper capitalists.
Hittites also but with iron.

>>55818528
This is how we respond:

> About Capitalism
https://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webm
> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webm
> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
https://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webm
> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
https://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webm
> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
https://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm

>>55819228
retard

>>55819241
>retard

>>55818528
"pay up"

>>55818528
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>>55819291
>>/biz/thread/55818528

>>55819076
You're confusing commerce with capitalism. They're not the same thing in the slightest.

>>55818528
Landlords as in people who literally own the land people live on (and often the people as well). Not "landlords" as in people who buy buildings and rent them out.

>>55819310
This is better: https://archived.moe/biz/thread/55818528 -- there we can see the IDs. Quite telling that once the redpills dropped, JlDF started spamming dead women.

I like money.

>>55819321
This. Also, Smith is not the founder of capitalism. He just observed its consolidation and tried to explain it.

>>55819317
This. The Soviet Union had trade that didn't make them capitalist

>>55818528
No one cares faggot
>>55818676
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>>55819267
kys

>>55820951
>kys

>>55818528
Biz will respond by saying
> Never read any Adam Smith
> Don't understand him
> Just want to leech off other people
Back in the day everyone hated rentiers

>>55818528
One dude can be right about a few things and wrong about so many others. He also was one.of the people who popularized the labor theory of value. Then the marginal revolution happened and all marxists got btfo forever in the realm of economics.

>>55818528
>How do we respond /biz/bros?
This is how we respond:

> About Capitalism
https://files.catbox.moe/t0pn97.webm
> "It's NOT Capitalism!"
https://files.catbox.moe/3j3pl8.webm
> The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux
https://files.catbox.moe/8kc317.webm
> Comment to "The Total Annihilation of Stefan Molyneux"
https://files.catbox.moe/9ppk8s.webm
> The Decapitation of a Two Headed Beast
https://files.catbox.moe/qi15vn.webm

>>55818528
>How do we respond /biz/bros?
real capitalism has never been tried, the current the current system was historical run it requires resets every 30-60 years.

Only in modern economics has the distinction between production and extraction been largely ignored in favour of just number go up. But in low surplus societies there is nothing to extract so the focus is on chickens in every pot instead of number go up in some glorified bag holder casino factory.
Historically in credit systems rent extraction is safer and requires less finesse to profit in, ergo, extort by threat of access to shelter is pretty good at getting people to cough up funds is easier than managing an investment portfolio or saving to start a business. But houses need things to be kept, so you get nobody investing in housing factory inputs so you get landlords wearing made in china, you know, the country that killed an unknown number of landlords in a classicide only a half century prior . Extraction crowds out production and the system consumes itself.

Biz aught to demand sound money and to voraciously critique individuals investing in unproductive assets. Ask the /g/ bros where the best electronics and autos are going to come from when you dont even have the machines to build them anymore to improve on, litterally made to small for your hands.

Either that, or do also what washington did, and sow hemp in the marshed hinterlands

>>55819321
This.
Leftists are to stupid to understand the words they use. Landlords were the lords of the land, i.e. the nobility ruling over a land for the monarchy. This has nothing to do with renting private property.

>>55821269
>respond with some retard who lives off of baguette welfare
Lel

Single family rental properties should only exist in commercially zones areas, same goes for airBnB properties.

>>55818528

He's right. That's the response.

>>55822106
I am no longer content just pointing out the retardation of monetarism. Today I think I will pick this post apart piece by piece, not because it is extremely retarded, but because it contains a few kernels of truth but is obfuscated by an almost deliberately myopic view of history.
>real capitalism has never been tried, the current the current system was historical run it requires resets every 30-60 years.
That there is some "ideal" perfect system that doesn't exist in reality is an indictment of your ideal: it is demonstrably not going to happen because it has never happened before.
>Only in modern economics has the distinction between production and extraction been largely ignored in favour of just number go up. But in low surplus societies there is nothing to extract so the focus is on chickens in every pot instead of number go up in some glorified bag holder casino factory.
1. There has been a distinction between finance and industrial capital for a long time.
2. ADAM SMITH outlines rent-seeking behavior. "Rent extraction" was defined before capitalism overtook feudalism.
3. Industrial and finance capital go hand in hand. It isn't adversarial insofar as too much of one doesn't "crowd out" the other.

What you are describing is neoliberal deindustrialization. China opening up and taking in all the industry of the developed world wasn't finance "crowding out" industry, industry simply followed the market. Not to say that this wasn't a bad thing, but that's how it operated in reality. You can either accept that that's what destroyed the industrial base of the west, or you can allow it to happen again (even if China goes down, a new China will arise out of """friend"""shoring - remember, the opening up of China was meant as a blow against the USSR!)

>>55822106
>Historically in credit systems rent extraction is safer and requires less finesse to profit in, ergo, extort by threat of access to shelter is pretty good at getting people to cough up funds is easier than managing an investment portfolio or saving to start a business.
Everything you described here is finance, it is a matter of raking in dollars and nothing else.
> so you get nobody investing in housing factory inputs so you get landlords wearing made in china, you know, the country that killed an unknown number of landlords in a classicide only a half century prior
dawg china at the time was semi-feudal. The "landlords" in China were LITERAL lords upon the land medieval style collecting a percentage of grain from peasants. The closest comparison to the Chinese civil war would be the french revolution or the english civil war.
>Biz aught to demand sound money and to voraciously critique individuals investing in unproductive assets.
"Sound money" will not protect you from the commodities boom that collapsed Bretton Woods 1. You think that one "simple trick" will change the economy like a lightswitch, which is strange because you seem to understand on some level the need for industrial output. Protectionism, infrastructure and industrial policy is what builds a strong economy, finance is the realm of sputtering economies. Reagan sacrificed nearly everything at the altar of Currency Strength to uphold "the strength of the dollar" (essentially what you desire), and not only did it not work but it actively harmed our economy by strengthening outsourcing and destroying our economy further. Abandon monetarism, abandon the chicago school, abandon the long-dead Austrian empire and its school

>>55822948
> ((( "If you're Pro Native European, you're a retard!" )))
> ((( "Making lots of Native European babies at the cost of The System, like the immigrants are doing, is BAAAD!! DON'T DO THAT, GOY!" )))
You are JlDF.

>>55822948
> About Welfare
https://files.catbox.moe/s9smz9.webm

> A Morning with our 5 Homeschooled Children
https://files.catbox.moe/e5tue3.webm

> Dear Women!
https://files.catbox.moe/4p9tr4.webm

> A Big Homeschooled Family:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRuAs9h4nlo

> Óðinn is to fight and NEVER give up
https://files.catbox.moe/ithn7w.webm

> Dear Women!
https://files.catbox.moe/4p9tr4.webm

Varg in the Hospital
https://files.catbox.moe/hjd8gz.webm

> The Family Guy
https://files.catbox.moe/q42hin.webm

> Thulêan Offensive!
https://files.catbox.moe/4o3w0x.webm

> Thulêan Conquest!
https://files.catbox.moe/t53m0u.webm

> Perma Family Life with 6 kids
https://files.catbox.moe/7hosd8.webm

> Permaculture with the Kids
https://files.catbox.moe/r0ta3t.webm

These videos and picrel makes (((you))) and other JlDF agents seethe with hatred and tremble with fear.

>>55823083
>>55823090
autism

>>55824009
>>>/reddit/

>>55823986
Please be real.

>>55824023
Tldr?

>>55824009
Tldr?

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>>55824217
https://counter-currents.com/2014/03/white-nationalist-delusions-about-russia/

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>>55824241
https://files.catbox.moe/xzqzse.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/i385rt.mp4

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>>55824286
> Putin: "Europe has lost vaccine against Nazism"
Article: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/10/15/russias-putin-says-parts-of-europe-have-lost-vaccine-for-nazism-a40418
Archived: https://archive.is/VrPKw

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>>55824310
Article: https://tass.com/economy/1433675
Archived: https://archive.is/dJtjX

>>55818676
Things were better back then, it was so much easier to get rid of evil leaders in the old days. Ultimately the people had the authority. If the ruling class were not serving them properly and doing a good job they’d get executed and new leader would be installed.

The Jews got rid of this system for a reason to install their fake democracy so they could divide/subvert the people while remaining hidden with their tribes hegemony over the west.

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>>55824314
Tldr?

>>55823151
Hebrew kvetching

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>>55824358
> International Day Against Fascism and Antisemitism
http://en.ria.ru/world/20141109/195379800/International-Day-Against-Fascism-and-Antisemitism-in-Facts.html

> United Nations Sixty-Ninth Session Third Committee Agenda Item 66 (a) Elimination of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia, and Related Intolerance
http://www.mediafire.com/view/94n40m3x00dr355/N1460426.pdf

> Ukraine, US, Canada do not back Russia-Initiated UN Resolution on Heroization of Nazism
http://tass.ru/en/russia/761115

> Russia Bans Hitler's 'Mein Kampf'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3868718,00.html

> Russia Makes Holocaust Denial Illegal
http://www.jta.org/2014/05/05/news-opinion/world/russia-makes-holocaust-denial-illegal

> Russia: To Deny Holocaust is Now a Crime
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7329:russia-to-deny-holocaust-is-now-a-crime

> Putin Criminalizes Rehabilitation of Nazism
http://www.rapsinews.com/legislation/20140505/271257417.html

> Russia moves to Criminalize Holocaust Denial
http://rt.com/politics/denial-holocaust-criminalize-moves-russia-853/

> Russia's Putin Outlaws Denial of Nazi Crimes
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/05/us-russia-putin-nazi-law-idUSBREA440IV20140505

> In Russia, Ten Years in Jail for 'Extremist' Speech
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/12/in-russia-ten-years-in-jail-for-extremist-speech/

> Russian Political Prisoners in the Russian Federation
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/08/russian-political-prisoners-in-the-russian-federation/

> Putin Signs Law Giving Prison Terms for Internet Extremism
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-signs-law-giving-prison-terms-for-internet-extremism/502717.html

> President Putin Signs Law Criminalizing Nazi Revisionist Tactics
http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_05_07/President-Putin-signs-law-criminalizing-nazi-revisionist-tactics-4771/

>>55824371
> Chief Rabbis Yosef, Lau to meet Putin in Moscow
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Chief-Rabbis-Yosef-Lau-to-meet-Putin-in-Moscow-361966

> Putin Hosts Rabbis to Discuss War on Anti-Semitism
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4541169,00.html

> Putin to Discuss Neo-Nazism, Anti-Semitism with Foreign Rabbis
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=11385

> Anti-Nazi Group Secretly Helping Kremlin Rebuild Russian Empire
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/08/anti-nazi-group-secretly-helping-kremlin-rebuild-russian-empire.html

> Putin thanks Rabbis for Communities' Fight against Nazi Revival
http://www.jta.org/2014/07/10/news-opinion/world/putin-thanks-rabbis-for-communities-fight-against-nazi-revival

> Russia's Jews Point to Important agenda of Putin's Upcoming Meting with Rabbis
http://www.interfax-religion.com/?act=news&div=11386

> Russian Prime Minister Putin to Jewish Delegation: I Was First to Restore Jewish Property
http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/1119/404/1/jewish/Chanukah-Journal.htm

>>55818528
There is no “founder” of capitalism. It’s just people trading for their own benefit.

>>55824382
> Putin: "Europe has lost vaccine against Nazism"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/10/15/russias-putin-says-parts-of-europe-have-lost-vaccine-for-nazism-a40418

> Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_and_Tolerance_Center

> Moscow has World’s Second-Largest Limmud
http://www.jta.org/2015/04/27/news-opinion/world/moscow-has-worlds-second-largest-limmud

> Putin Donates Month's Salary to Jewish Museum
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3409150,00.html

> Moscow's New Jewish Museum appeals for Tolerance
http://rbth.com/articles/2012/11/22/moscows_new_jewish_museum_appeals_for_tolerance_20323.html

> Peres and Putin to Open World's Largest Jewish Museum
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/161680#.U8A99rHCdL9

> Moscow's Jewish Museum and its Quest for an Open Society
http://calvertjournal.com/comment/show/2487/moscow-jewish-museum-appeal-russian-tolerance

> Moscow Museum at Heart of Russia’s Jewish Culture Revival
http://www.timesofisrael.com/moscow-museum-at-heart-of-russias-jewish-culture-revival/

> Peres Inaugurates Jewish Museum Funded by Putin, Vekselberg
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-11-08/peres-inaugurates-jewish-museum-funded-by-putin-vekselberg-1-

> In Big New Museum, Russia has a Message for Jews: We Like You
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/world/europe/russias-new-museum-offers-friendly-message-to-jews.html?_r=0

>>55824390
> Russia allows lsraeIi airlines to fly in Russian airspace

>>55824415
> lsraeI allows Russian airlines to fly to lsraeI

You're now regretting posting this: >>55824143
You hoped you could promote your false bullshit paradigm; "muh russia vs muh ukraine" and get anons here to pick a (((side))).
You wanted to promote the false jew-narrative of "Look, we jews are totally anti-Russian, pick your side goy!"

You didn't expect this.

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>>55818528
At last I understand. Economic theories are all about Ukraine vs Russia. But then how did they work before Russia invaded Ukraine?

>>55824009
>>55824143
(((You))) entering this thread COMPLETELY BACKFIRED on your tribe. Absolutely glorious. By coming here you did much more damage to your cause, than you ever could've hoped to aid it.

>>55824023
>/pol/tards shitpost and ruin every discussion
>everyone else leaves in disgust
>haha we win again! Take that censorship!
yep, free thinkers alright

>>55818676
As long as you paid taxes, capitalist activities were allowed.

How Were Medieval Taxes Collected? (Short Animated Documentary):
https://youtu.be/2kjPCzBMZns

>>55824461
>>55824606
No response to >>55824330
huh ?

>>55824525
Tldr?

The glowies try really hard, hmmm...

>>55818528
the response is that adam smith was wrong. not everyone is right about everything all the time

>>55824725
I hear they get paid 10 % more than jannies

>>55820888
soviets were more capitalist than whatever we have right now. Money isn't real anyone and salaries aren't even based in reality or profit, just pure globohomo priorities

>origin in robbery
wrong, robbery is through force. no one's forcing you to rent

>love to reap where they never sowed
wrong, you acquire the land through an exchange of value

>natural produce of the earth
that's just property rights

Glad I scared off the IDF
>>55818528
<Here's a real answer

>>55824695
no way.. is this true? i knew Rossia was an absolute shithole but this top tier lol

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>>55819321
> he meant the people who own the land people live on, not the people who own the buildings on the land people live in

Lol retard

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Unfathomly based and über redpilled. Jews splitting off into different branches/camps/sides -- the practice known as Jewish Mitosis -- where all the camps serve the interests of the jew, while "fighting" against each other, is their #1 and oldest tactic. Once one knows about it, one can instantly recognize it and one becomes immune to their propaganda aimed at duping non-jews into identifying with or supporting one of their fake "sides" – all of which are anti-White.

>>55825608
Based and redpilled

>>55818528
landlords of adam smith's time were people that owned thousands of acres of undeveloped land and sat on it. what we call landlords today were rentiers

>>55818676
There has always been markets and there has always been capital. Free markets are a new concept, but markets and the concept of capital date back to antiquity. Now back to /leftypol/ with you, comrade.

adam smith was also clearly influenced by what i'll call the "protestant natural law" philosophy so i'm sure i will see our disingenuous OP and leftypol friends at a baptist church 4 times a week to make up for lost time so they can truly understand capitalism.

>>55826096
local retard learns that the average oversized niggerpickup has multiple times the ground pressure of a main battle tank

>>55818582
Capitalism can't be the natural state of things because capitalism relies on money, and money wasnt even a thing for 95% of the entire human history.

>>55819321
Same shit. Landlords rent you a building but a big part of the value of the building is merely where its located geographically. Thats why a house in NY and a house in the middle of rural Kansas don't go by the same price.

This "land value", which exists merely in the land, was not something the landlord created and it usually relies on what others built around it yet they still profit on it.

>>55818528
Adam Smith did nothing wrong.

>>55826354
Your organs trade stem cells like currency.

>>55819321
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>>55826367
Fuck modern landlords, the only good lords are owns that actually live on their land and care for their serfs

>>55818528
Go buy your own house.

>>55826354
capitalism, like all other "isms", is a solution for interfacing with the natural state of things
money is merely a very convenient media for exchange, and voluntary exchange is good—capitalism recognizes both of these statements as true

>>55825608
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>>55824606
You yids bots need a raise for the work your doing.

>>55823049
>Protectionism, infrastructure and industrial policy is what builds a strong economy

Why can't you have those things but also have a gold standard? Wasn't 1800-50's USA basically just that Protectionism+PM currency?

>even
Adam Smith didn't found capitalism. Capitalism existed in a primitive form since before the Sumerians. That said, landlords existed in non capitalist economy. The simplest example are the domain holders in feudal Europe. There is nothing inherently capitalist about owning land and extracting pay from tenants. That form of servitude existed in feudal Russia and was transformed into collective farms by the Communists, essentially not being any different.

>>55818528
how is building a house not equivalent to sowing?

>>55826354
The natural state of being was dying if you didn't find something to eat in winter. Over time, we managed to produce a surplus, and money is a signaling mechanism to regulate production by communicating preferences. The Soviet Union was a capitalist state in that regard as well, just without the efficient communication of preferences, which is why you had to wait 5 years for 2-stroke plywood car in a random color (available colors: diarrhea blue, snot green, smoke-yellowed-walls yellow, ashy white, wilted-rose red), and that only after getting a letter of recommendation from your local factory and party representatives, which maybe 5% of people got per year.
But you are right: money is inherently a corrupting influence on the human mind, and our minds have become quite unnatural as a result of it. Miney-systems also tend to degenerate over time, producing widespread poverty and huge inequality, but the solution for a useful technology being faulty is not to just throw out the technology, which is what the Soviets more or less did, ending up with the same problems as the West, but without the technology to handle them.