/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55810475
>named Internet Computer
>logo is literally the autism pride symbol
uh gee anon, i dont know..

>>55810475
>high networth
>overcome by bearmarket fud
If you weren't larping, you'd know that you shouldn't second guess yourself during the bear market.

>>55810475
at least try to make it with DKP or get a suicide stack. im down bad with ICP but if it succeeds dragginz will pump my poor bags back up

>>55810475
I think the main issue is literally no one cares about crypto now. VCs, normies, media etc. I am a huge shill and am still slurping but I have been bored with crypto for weeks now. So on one hand it's probably really bearish, but in terms of an investment upwards potential is incredibly high if it actually takes off. ETH marketcap in this "bear market" is still over 100x higher and at peak crypto mania over 300x. If you think icp and dfinity aren't just smoke and mirrors and that crypto isn't a dead vaporware meme then a million dollar stack could cost a couple grand right now

I can't be bothered to check to unlocks but I really don't think they have much influence on price anymore, at least far less influence than macro factors

>>55810580
This image looks really bad, like an early 2000s flash game…. Going to sell my DKP stack as soon as there is liquidity again

>>55810580
how can i buy DKP?

>>55810765
https://iclight.io/ICDex/SNS1/ICP

>>55810475
ICP is a scam and Moonman is a scammer.

>>55810677
>If you think icp and dfinity aren't just smoke and mirrors and that crypto isn't a dead vaporware meme then a million dollar stack could cost a couple grand right now
I believe this too.
I am still surprised it has underperformed the rest of the market since fall last year.
The early VCs can play a mayor role, I literally met one of the $0.03 VCs a couple of months ago. They're still sitting on a lot of coins but seems like they don't really belive in the project, apparently the main reason was that they didn't think it was enough "open source".
They invest in ICP projects like dmail, so I don't know their deal. But I think they're dumping. They literally have a 100x + already.

But yes, I agree that ICP in theory should hold way better potential than other coins, otherwise it wouldn't be my largest bag.

>>55810475
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>>55810765
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>>55810580
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>>55810705
>as soon as there is liquidity again
just put up a sell order on ICDEX then nigger or stop lying it ain't dropping lower

>>55810796
how many actual 0.03 VCs were there? Is there a list somewhere. I thought it was one guy and the rest were larger VC firms in the $3-5 range and a bunch of indians with airdrops


>>55810798
I assume you're the same person who just made like 4 avax threads in the last 30 mins

>>55810576
ICP have underperformed the rest of the market since past fall. I find that surprising.
The execution on a lot of ICP projects also seem pretty shit, No good game so far and socia media dapps lack in UX.

Tech might be alien, but they can't attract the best talent to develop good shit?

>>55810830
>The execution on a lot of ICP projects also seem pretty shit

This is so true honestly I think they should just rebrand and pivot somehow. It's obvious there's some passionate people but all the games and apps I've tried so far are retarded or just pointless clones

>>55810828
>how many actual 0.03 VCs were there?
I think there are like 300 $0.03 VCs. Think they all put in smallar checks, like $50 - 100k. Might be way off though.
They had later rounds in 2018 at $5. Polychain capital with Olof Carlsen Wee was part of that round. Don't know about any other firms.
The 2018 round at $5 seemed waaay overpriced.

>>55810828
rent free, poor poomar is paranoid now
Chop chop! Back to work!

>>55810857
It's not even that. They don't finish them.
It's like 99 % demos. They don't finish anything playable. Even cubetopia is barely a "game". Sure you can jump around and build shit, but there's no challenges, nothing to level up, etc.

>>55810807
I am a whale, there is not enough volume on icdex. But mark my words when there is good volume my sell will crash dkp at least 75%

>>55810909
Prove it.
Put a sell order for 10 DKP on ICdex

>>55810870
I've never understood the "ICP vs AVAX" framing?
AVAX is a boring roach chain with nothing interesting going on from my knowledge?
Why should they even be compared.

I gotta admit to holding a small cringy bag of AVAX though, just in case it's the "faster cheaper ETH killer". But yeah, have never drawn much interest from me. Name 3 good dapps on AVAX with at least 500 + DAU

In next bull run icp wont be #32 anymore, it wont even be in top 50. It will slowly be forgotten and just occasionally remembered like "hey remember icp what a piece of trash lol"

>>55810830
Ytd icp -52% avax -58%

Also you are esl so opinion discarded

>>55811008
>AVAX is a boring roach chain with nothing interesting going on from my knowledge?
>just in case it's the "faster cheaper ETH killer"
you indeed have 0 knowledge about what makes Avalanche what it is. If you're not Poomar larping then lurk moar and DYOR.
if you're just larping then kys

>>55811008
pretty sure it's like 1 or 2 guys that just spam this board with avax threads every weekday.

>>55810870
>>55811072

Notice they always say poomar or icpoor or whatever. Could just be one guy using different IPs

Whether it's ava labs employees or paid shills or not they are incredibly persistent on weekdays and have a decent but not perfect grasp on english. Anytime someone calls them out they deflect with copypastas or the same responses like "well we have real lives that's why we almost exclusively post during work hours".

But the actual beef goes back way further. I think Dom and Emin got into some twtitter arguments. Dom went schizo accusing Avax of meddling to fud ICP. Then later on ICP "sleuths" find out that ava labs was paying some slimy lawyer guy to go after ICP and other projects(?) (cryptoleaks). I am pretty sure the same anons who were spamming the ICP fud memes for a year or so, are the same guys spamming about avax but I could be wrong. Either way the possibility that Ava labs employees aren't posting online is so improbable, i mean there's hundreds of them. Same with ICP but the posting seems way more organic since moon man roped in a lot of people here

i got bags of both but i think avax is dumb

>>55811072
Just tell me 3 dapps with 500 + DAUs.
Preferably dapps which can't be built on ETH.
If you can't do can't do that, it shows that you've just chose a coin to gamble on. Which is fine. 99 % of people do that.

If I remember correctly they also allow for subnets, but it doesn't seem very innovative or imortant desu. But show me dapps with high DAU and I might change my mind.

>>55810475
the problem is ICP wasn't superior tech

hosting websites on the blockchain is so anti-UX that it was never a good value proposition. Perhaps ICP made some innovations here, but nobody (NOBODY) wants to sacrifice good UX in the name of er..... decentralised hosting

>>55811148
>hosting websites on the blockchain is so anti-UX
wat? Are you just talking about the shit urls?

>>55811112
Lol, yeah that's new to me. Makes a little more sense I guess.

And yeah, I also have a small shitty bag of $2 - 3k AVAX or something. Probably even more than these shillers have. Mostly have it as an "Faster cheaper ETH"-play. But it seems pretty uninteresting as a coin and ecosystem

>>55811112
>Same with ICP but the posting seems way more organic
lmao nice walltext, you almost had it but you couldn't avoid shilling your scam, that's why every AVAX anon calls your kind poomar. It's not that every ICP poster is the same guy, but every ICPoor is equally braindead.
>>55811125
You might need to read again my last bump >>55811072
You've already proven your ignorance & bias towards Avalanche, if you're legit then it's on you to do proper research, don't ask people online to spoonfeed you or you'll end up like all the faggots who followed Moonman.
Tho you're most likely just larping so this is nonsense.

>>55811225
>if you're legit then it's on you to do proper research,
This is mostly an excuse which schizo crypto gamblers use when they've bought a coin just to gamble.

I did some research on this coin a couple of years ago, which is why I did buy a small bag of $2 - 3k.
Subnets (if I remember correctly they're chosing something similar to Cosmos) seemed a bit interesting and it's fast/cheaper + EVM compatible. So sure, it could have some small potential.

But it's still "just another L1" in my eyes and I haven't seen any dapps with strong adoption.
My bet is that you're clueless, you could literally just name a few AVAX dapps with 500+ daily active users and we would be done, but you probably don't know what you own despite shilling hard.

>>55811225

>>55811225
>that's why every AVAX anon calls your kind poomar
not sure you realize it but you're just doing exactly what I described you guys do

It’s a VC vaporware scam. I know, people think that just because a dev releases a well planned working product that the dev has some kind of plan afterwards to further implement and use.

Every time icp has been bought by big million $$$ wallets, the price goes down and stays down.

Don’t forget you have to buy a $20,000 server rig to run a node on a nearly network not being used by more than a dozen app developers.

>>55811171
no - ICP's USP was the fact that not only the coins /contracts/NFTS are hosted on-chain, but entire websites and databases

the consequence is that websites become much slower and more expensive, which basically nobody sees as a good proposition.

>>55811225

Avax is even worse than icps dev team.

The only genuine network is cosmos and some layer 1 pows that are newly released.

Eth is a scam foundation build for scammers, Bnb is just the poor man’s Eth scam.

Bitcoin is only a fundamental example.

>>55810475
what's icp even do? nobody knows

>>55811910
token to use the computer internet

>>55811972
holy fuck

>>55810868
Not if you are buying in early on a pump and dump scam.

>>55811621
Absolutely. The partnership between Peaq Network and Fetch.ai on the Cosmos eco, leveraging their macro agent, was indeed a well-considered move. PolkaDot is also a genuinely robust network.

>>55811910
The question is, how can I profit from the project? It seems no one gives a fuck about the token price again.

>>55810475
>have $100k
>need $1 billion in 4 years, 20x gain doesn't even amuse me anymore
>hey let's gamble with this altcoin named pee-pee coin
>lose
>seething on /biz/

Oh, and yes, you'll do the same shit on the next bullrun. Keep on buying shitcoin. Graphic like this won't be posted unless the coin is already down 99%.

>>55812386
>seed to public
>3 cents to $7.50
holy shit wtf was Dom thinking

>>55812386
Bro, I literally bought the ETH ICO and have a 2000x + in the past and another 300x with FTM from 2019.
I'll be fine, don't need your advice.
Now I got about $1.5M in real estate/boomer stocks/ETFs. $0.5M in high growth stock. $400k in crypto and $150k in startup investments.

ICP still seems to be best risk/reward.
But the token distribution is something else and Dom has done a lot of dumb shit. But the seed valuation was standard at that time. Would have been better to just do an ICO like ETH. Don't know the reasoning as to why he only did it to accredited investors/VCs.
In the end I might lose these $100k, no biggie. Got lots of other investments which are going great. Future crypto gains might be dead/weak.

I sold my 1,000 stack and just went with Bitcoin.
I'm fucking done with shitcoins.

>>55812964
I can understand selling ICP, despite still being best risk/reward imo.
But putting it in Bitcoin will probably be a shitty move. It's a sheep move and there are no/few more fools to get in to push the price up and it's utterly useless as a currency/store of value.
Unironically better to just buy a NASDAQ index ETF or something instead, if you want to have some decent potential while feeling it's not suuper high risk.

Bitcoin is done minting millionaires, at least unless you put like $250k.

>>55813022
>despite still being best risk/reward imo.

I'd like to know what the fuck you're going off of to make this ridiculous statement, you've been repeating in this thread.
What exactly is the projected reward? The tokenomics are beyond fucked, no one uses it, it's been named a security by the SEC etc. etc.
The only upside it has, is that Bitcoin will moon next year after the halving, and all of the shitcoins will go along for the ride. And that's not guaranteed either as we've seen in 2021 and 2017. Not all shitcoins come back.

So please, mr. Wolf of Shitcoins, tell us how you've calculated this risk/reward metric you've been parroting.

>>55813479
No thanks, I think I'll skip to elaborate on that to you.
Good luck with the Bitcoin sir.

>>55810705
That image looks 100x better than any crypto gaming project on any chain at the moment.
I’m on page one of holders. Please put your whole stack as a sell order 200 each I guarantee I will and several other people who have $50k waiting on the sideline will buy it.
Also you’re most likely a sub 30 stack which is easily sellable. I know every other holder who’s plus 50 stack on this.
If you’re one of those guys please do it. Put the sell order and do it. I will spend at least $50k if you’re not larping

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>>55810475
scam bankrun fraud ruined this project thats it thats all that went wrong

>>55810909
ebin memes you little faggot i have more dkp than you

>>55815801
Lmao, I didnt post here yet.

>>55815932
now we have two dumpers...

>>55814803
Nah, gotta be more to it.

DKP! DKP!

>>55817296
I AM POPBOB FROM THE ICPCHADS TELEGRAM GROUP. EVERYONE THERE INCLUDING RAJ IS A RETARD AND IS FUDDING DRAGGINZ/DKP/SNS. IF U WANNA FUCK YOUR RAJ BUY DKP AND GLOAT FOREVER IN THE TELEGRAM ONCE WE ACHIEVE GENERATIONAL WEALTH

>>55815932
FUCK YOU YOU DOLPHIN KEK! YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON GENERATIONAL WEALTH ALL BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SELL YOUR SNS/SNEEDS/DRAGGINZ! AND WHY? BECAUSE A WOMAN AKA JORDAN MADE YOU UPSETTI SPAGHETTI?

>>55817362
raj is actually the biggest fucking faggot, bluepilled like a goddamn faggot. he is absolutely insufferable. i left the telegram because he is such a fucking faggot.

picrel btw its a picture of raj

>>55810705
Didn't sell that final leg up, NGMI kek

>>55817390
What did he do? Qrd plz sir.

>>55817794
HE ACCUMUALTED A LOT OF THIS SNS/DKP/DRAGGINZ TOKEN. HE WAS BOOLISH ASF UNTIL HE JOINED DISCORD AND SAW THAT THE TRANNY JORDAN WAS A MODERATOR THERE. HENCE HAD A HISSY FIT AND HAS DECIDED TO DUMP ALL HIS TOKENS

>>55817400
Raj is the biggest brown nigger faggot in the entire world, closely followed by all of his tranny cohorts in the icpchads tg.

>>55817803
Kek based

>>55817794
he accumulated 200 sneeds. sold 100 to adam, then tried to dump the remainder but only got off about 10 or so. he is still the #6 holder

>>55818246
So why are you guys not front running him and buying back cheaper. Sounds like discord tranny mischief.

>>55818246
I have it split among several neurons. I’m not in the top 10 with any one wallet. You guys are chasing waterfalls, lmao.

>>55819608
neurons? either you a retard and locked your coins or you don't understand the IC???

>>55810475
Sell.

>>55810475
>Don't care too much since this is less than 5 % of my net worth.

I bet you made that money on FTM and thought you'd make another 30x on ICP.

>>55817362
Looking at the chart, this will bleed more. I don't think getting it now would be a smart choice, but it would be the most dumb decision.


Personally, I would prefer getting something else like Dua than this.

>>55810475
>wallets which doesn't require downloading plugins,


We don't need wallets that demand plugin downloads. The exclusion of this feature is intended to improve and streamline the user experience, as well as bolster security. I see no reason for using this kind of wallet.

>>55820723
Yeah, "built in" wallets like the one on dscvr, nfid or Internet identity page is yuge. It's needed to get next wave of adoption

>>55821837
We've witnessed notable progress in this, particularly with account abstraction-style of wallets. The concept and approach continue to evolve into a user-friendly array of features that enhance the smooth transition and usability. some are even taking it a step further by incorporating NexeraID as a issuer of SSI

>>55810475
niggers went wrong thats what

>>55822124
Based

guys anyone know what's going on with icp domains? Will they be worth anything in the future? I have some pretty good ones and don't know if I should renew them