/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55763007
WE ARE BACK

>>55763007
wish I did all of that shit at uni instead of fucking economics dude fml

>>55763007
It's called pulling yourself by the bootstraps you lazy commie

I'm a Staff SWE and do most of those things on top of working 60 hours a week (aside from leetcode/resume stuff, not looking for a job). What is the issue supposed to be here?

Dude just use chatgpt.

>>55763057
He’s a lazy neet and wants to be paid $300k per year to write a line of code or two per week while jerking off to 4chan the rest of the time

>>55763007

>>55763015
what's wrong with economics?

>>55763132
He’s not part of the tribe, so it’s pointless and won’t land him a meaningful job anyway.

I’m a product manager, I write no code

TC 365k

>>55763007
I watched Rampage (2018) today while 4chan wasn't working. Am I trans now?

>>55763170
>>55763170
How?

Are you the bosses nephew?

If not, did you marry the bosses daughter?

Are you a mixed race woman who got a diversity slot at Harvard?

Are you and the boss part of an ethnicity that practices in group nepotism?

If it's none of those things then what do you do that an average person could not?

>>55763118
This is basically me but making $250k
It's kino and I recommend it

>>55763518
>If it's none of those things then what do you do that an average person could not?
The average person can't self identify and sell themselves as a PM.

On a deeper level, they can't technically describe or say how they would organize a logical process, even if they aren't going to be the one building it out.

Simply being able to articulate your thoughts in regards to technology and organize is a valuable skill.
Then you just have to study stuff like pricing psychology for just a day.

Take the PM pill if you aren't a pajeet coder that needs a visa or 140 IQ+ where coding gets easy. Most guys I know are too proud to make the switch. They don't even like coding or the associated lifestyle, but feel like they have something to prove so they stick it out. Just look at the body of the average PM vs avg SWE. It's way better because instead of doing OP's picrel, they can take care of themselves

>>55763132
its useless theory major, economics is a SOCIAL science, paradogically, the knowledge is very important but you can learn them all in internet.

if you want to make bank learn engi and the basics of business

For me it's the splay tree.

Just solve a specific problem and that's that.

>>55763173
Collision is much better

>>55763007
Yes? That’s not even that hard lol
I’ve literally built full businesses with backend, front end, full mlops tooling, walk-forward validation for ml models with billions of data points, full libraries etc
If you can’t or don’t want to do it then you’re in the wrong field, because you’re competing with people who will do it.

>>55763007
I have tomorrow a algo interview and I'm going skizo reviewing dynamic programming exercises.
If I fail I might just give up and live fron savings until I'm dead broke lmao

>>55765823
Fuck my broken english, I'm stress as fuck.
Frens wish me luck

>>55765831
good luck anon, also remember that if you fail tomorrow you should not give up, keep trying until someone hires you.

>>55765776
I work as a dev but want to monkey branch out into a different field in IT because I hate doing that stuff and only got in because I needed money. What certs can I get that will let me move to something that doesn't involve too much coding?

>>55763007
this guy is, unironically, literally me rn. my only solace is it keeps my mind busy because im painfully broke at the moment and injured so i can only run. lord give me strength to keep off the booze. its all worth it r-right?

>>55765831
good luck my oceanic friend. remember the most important thing is to bee urself

>>55763790
wtf dumbass shit is this even?

>>55763124
im surprised this isnt posted more often. this applies to like half the responses on the internet

>>55768239
Meme datastructure only faggots at Carnegie Mellon learn about because the staff loves sucking off Daniel Sleator

>>55763124
It's perfect. OP reminds me of one of those people that complains about having to work 2 jobs because of elon or trump or whatever the fuck they're mad about for no reason.

then they mention their 5000 usd a month funko pop salary

>have boomer relative who did coding/IT/data manipulation (not actual programming let alone design/engineering) on old mainframe
>hired via connections with just an associate's from community college
>can barely read or write or do basic math
>learned exactly 1 programming language, 1 "stack", 1 system in 40+ years
>zero theoretical knowledge, zero awareness/understanding of any shit like paradigms, patterns, inheritance, types, compilation, functional vs procedural, data structures, any level of architecture, OS internals, kernel, memory management, nothing
>no personal projects, such a concept never existed until like 2010
>can barely operate a non-mainframe, personal computer at all despite using them every single day for about 50 years
>has zero actual interest in or passion for ocmputers, comp sci, programming, etc.
>all his boomer colleagues are exactly the same

retired making around $200k with full benefits, never worked a 40 hour week in his entire career
said he mostly just sat around organizing his iTunes catalog
the worst demand ever placed on him was sometimes having to go in or log in remotely at night if his senior colleague was sick and something went wrong with an overnight job (all mainframe stuff has to be literally scheduled by an operator - they still use these retarded ancient systems)

meanwhile I have self-taught bros who can do 100x as much and they literally can't get jobs

>>55763566

Im a SWE and I still don't understand what you do. Everything you just said sounds like what I end up having to do. It's not about being too proud but I really have no idea wtf you guys do.

>>55763566
>>55763518
>>55768426

why is 4chan getting filled with leddit fags, has it become that bad over there? Please dont bring your gay shit with you. Leddit sucked for a reason and you were the problem.

>>55768565
>Im a SWE and I still don't understand what you do. Everything you just said sounds like what I end up having to do. It's not about being too proud but I really have no idea wtf you guys do.
I used to be a SWE and wondered the same thing. I figured that instead of seething about PMs seemingly getting paid roughly the same for not doing anything, I'd just join the team.
If what I'm describing sounds like "what you do as a software engineer, but without coding"....that's accurate in many cases.
Many SWEs are essentially expected to PM their own product, so you likely have the skillset. It's the role you go for if you want to talk about technology but not be the one to actually build it.

There's a big difference between barely working and never working. PM feels like the latter; SWE the former

>>55768156
>I work as a dev but want to monkey branch out into a different field in IT because I hate doing that stuff and only got in because I needed money. What certs can I get that will let me move to something that doesn't involve too much coding?
Take the fucking product management pill my man
>>55765823
>I have tomorrow a algo interview and I'm going skizo reviewing dynamic programming exercises.
I just kept these as an achilles heel. My plan was to interview and either not get DP or bomb. Those problems are a huge waste of time unless you really want to be completionist in your prep

I'd rather just interview until a company doesn't ask me DP. luckily, they never did anyways

>>55763007
>>DUDE JUST [LEARN AND STRUGGLE UNTIL YOU MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF]

>>55768682
>It's the role you go for if you want to talk about technology but not be the one to actually build it.

When you say talk about the tech do you actually mean talk about the domain? I don't see PMs talking about tech but they do try to piece parts of the domain together. For example I work for a fintech and they talk about different payment rails, and how our products serve them. But I don't ever see them talking about anything related to how we can implement them (tech)

If PMs are actually supposed to be talking about tech then holy shit my PMs are skating by

>>55768239
>>55768272
It's not a meme, retard. The splay tree is the best tree. For most access patterns where you look look up some subset of entries which are close to each other more often than others it's the best. Splaytreechan is my waifu, faggot.

>>55768426
Connections > skills, we are still a feudal society overall

>>55763790
Move every 'zig'.

>>55768635
I fled the old message boards to Digg in 2005 or something. Then left for reddit around 2007. Then left reddit around 2016 for voat. Occasionally stopping into 4chan the whole time.

I won't tell you where I went after voat died because you're a massive faggot and I don't want you getting aids everywhere.

>>55770143
Check out Plebbit. Autistic devs have been building a protocol for forums/message boards for 2 years using IPFS github com/plebbit you can find links there. Communities are hosted like torrents, the level of autism are off the charts

pic is the mascot, plebchan

>>55770178
Nice. I hope it takes off.

https://getaether.net/ is another decentralized forum project.

one post by this faggot id

>>55763015
Mate your problem is you're not using your skills to scam people. You could make more money than a code monkey it you grew some balls

i think because most NPCs took the laid out path (go to college etc) they cannot fathom that they wasted all this effort when they could have just learned some webshit framework and earned more than their mcdonalds burger flipping graduate friends

t. nodejs dev in romania earning x6 minimum wage

>>55765831
good luck fren, I hope you make it

>>55768426
it's same as getting early into btc.
first mover advantage.

>>55763614
>The point of education is to make money
No wonder people are so retarded now days.

>>55763007
>DUDE JUST START A YOUTUBE SHORTS CHANNEL AND FIND YOUR NICHE

>>55770094
>Splaytreechan is my waifu
you need help

>>55765776
How old were you when you did this and did you do it while working at a company?

>>55768233
>>55770255
I failed miserably, arg, well there are like 5 interviews in total, let's see how the rest of them go.

Thanks for the cheering up frens!

>>55768695
got binary search instead, and failed, anyways, i'll try again next time, thanks fren!

>>55770303
Reeeeeeee

>>55763124
literally me

>>55770248
i know some nodejs but can't get work because i don't have a degree

dude the next level is contributing to open source projects. DUDE JUST BE FREE KEK SLAVE ON ALL YOUR FREE TIME AND BEG THEM TO USE THE CODE YOU WORKED ON FOR THE LAST

it can get rejected anyway just imagine the level of cuck you have to be to work as a slave and get work slave work rejected. it's actually cuck level loser right there

>>55769438
>When you say talk about the tech do you actually mean talk about the domain?
It can vary widely. The domain knowledge would be one though. For me, I do SRE product management, so the product is quite technical and the customer is too

>>55769438
>If PMs are actually supposed to be talking about tech then holy shit my PMs are skating by
Formal and informal expectations vary widely. And then there is pure performance, beyond the expecations. To me, the best PMs are going to be able to discuss technology, have an idea of what is possible (both theoretically and with their specific team of engineers which almost certianly have limitations), and use that breadth of knowledge to lay out product changes worth the effort.

you can get by as a PM without really cracking that formula though

>DUDE JUST WAIT OUT THINGS BE PATIENT I READ THIS BOOK THAT SAYS INSTANT GRATIFICATION IS THE NEW MEME SO IT'S ACTUALLY OKAY IF IT TAKES 5 MONTHS FOR YOUR MOM TO DECIDE ON A NEW DISHWASHER BECAUSE SHE'S TOO BUSY PLAYING WORDLE AND CRYING TO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY

>>55773328
very specific

Making money is like losing weight. You aren't going to lose weight eating like a retard and piling up an unsustainable exercise regimen. You aren't going to make money spending like a retard and piling on unsustainable "side hustles." It's not about doing MORE it's about doing LESS. Less eating, less spending.

Stop eating McDonalds. Stop buying $1000 cellphones. If you weigh 300 lbs, stop eating. If you have $5000 in credit card debt, stop spending.

>>55773753
ok i did all that. now how do i make more money?

>>55773783
This

>>55768426
This right here is why I don't even bother. The juice simply isn't worth the squeeze anymore. Modern software engineers do 10x the work for 10x less pay. It's a race to the bottom.

>>55763007
Maintain/contribute to an open source project that is actually useful. It doesn't have to include everything you listed. Many companies hire on the basis of experience alone. They have architects for the stuff tou listed, you will be the code monkey that will implement whatever they shit out on their desk.
Don't fall for meme languages. They always have a high supply of applicants and a low demand from companies. My recommendation is to master one of the following combos:
Java + frontend/AWS
C# + frontend/Azure
C/C++ + Python

>>55770246
>>55774834
>muh code monkey
So in other words, you have no idea what the hell you're talking about. Do you even know what a software developer does, or do you think it's just "typing really fast and hacking into the matrix?"

What is it with midwits and brainlets just parroting popular phrases?

>>55774865
I work as a software developer. What I meant by "code monkey" is that most of the design and creative thinking is done by someone else who doesn't even code (architect), and then the code monkey implements it. Most enterprise dev jobs are like that.

>>55774865
Woah seething much chin/dye/let coder? Had issues in speech class with your nerd stutter and couldn’t cope so you have to work in the back office while us D1 sports ball players now have front office jobs where we get drunk and flirt with Stacy?

Mad bruh?

>>55770380
>got binary search instead, and failed, anyways, i'll try again next time, thanks fren!
good luck on the next one. hope you get it

>>55763007
Wojak looks like a white aboriginal

>>55763007
How about not trying to compete with third worlders? Do something else. Start your own company if you're so fucking great.

>>55775103
thanks fren :)

>>55770270
If you call an economics degree education...... then you might be interested in a degree in sociology.

>>55763566
sounds like you dont do anything and just ramble to management while siphoning money

>>55768426
>>55770114
How to connectionmaxx?
I went to a meetup once but idk it's hard to socialize with nerds even though I am one too.

>>55763007

Just got an offer today for 310k (50k pay bump) Fully remote for a senior IC role with 7 yoe

Spent 1 month leetcoding solving mostly mediums.

>>55775845
how much do you work per week? i mean actual honest work, not whats written in the contract.

What the fuck is all this crap about grinding leetcode? Don't you have better things to do? I am a midwit, but I can talk to people and other people can read and understand my code. I will not grind anything because I don't want to work at faang.
Honestly, I am not interested in high-paced and stressful work environment. I want to check out after 5pm and spend time with my friends and family. All this grind culture is not sustainable for me

>>55763007
Only took me 4 years, I’m making 150k in Atlanta now.

36k yearly bonus.

All while i make money in crypto too

>>55775853

I was working 40 a week at AWS, maybe 50 in the fall around crunch time. I left everyday for 2 hours to go to crossfit, but worked 9-6 otherwise.

On a team with a chill on-call too.

NAH dude even if you learn all that ChatGPT is still better. Pajeets will replace all those skills before the end of year. Just flip burgers for 87 years.

>>55775853
>how much do you work per week? i mean actual honest work, not whats written in the contract.
big tech doesn't put something like "hours per week" in the contract btw

>>55763007
You'll never be good enough for them. When will you realize this?

>Dude just invest you cash flow dude just assets and liabilitiesmaxx dude

Why the fuck would anyone learn to code nowadays when you can just spend €20 on gpt4 and literally it will do everything for you. Literally you just have to be able to read the words and copy and paste lmao. I'm doing a masters dissertation atm and it's all 100% gpt4

>>55776702
sneed

>>55763790
ok try the NigNig algorithm next

>>55773753
>dude just never eat food

>went to school for meme degree
>got hired in marketing for tech company for 60k
>job hopped two years later for 90k
>job hopped a year later for 120k

>write no code, work literally 15 hours a week unironically WFM with one day in the office

Jealous of some of you codemonkeys who make 350k, but I’m fine. Learn to talk to people.

>>55776702
and then when it writes buggy code how are you going to fix it?

senior dev here. I spend maybe 10 hours a week actually working. get hobbies outside of work and learn to set boundaries, your soul will thank you. also clean your code.

>>55776783
>chat gpt please write me a marketing strat for x product

there. automated your meme job

>>55773783
>>55774358
start working on what you need to work, dumbasses. what the OP describes is what you ACTUALLY need to do.

>>55763007
DUDE JUST PUT YOUR PEEPEE IN THE POOPOO HAHA THATS LITERALLY ALL YOU HAVE TO DO JUST GET AIDS HAHA IT DOESN'T MATTER JUST TAKE YOUR MEDS BIGOT

>>55763007
>he got filtered by the language part of programming

>>55777757
>he got filtered by a copypasta

>>55763007
Haha good luck.
I make 600k per year for working 10 hours per week

>>55776788
Cos it literally doesn't. If if doesn't do exactly what you want you just paste it back in and explain what happened and then tell it to fix it and it spits out a new block. Lmao it always gets there. Plus were obviously going to have better and better models. It's over for code monkeys, embrace AI

>>55776783
I am currently interviewing for step 2. Glad to see someone on the other end of my life path. Any advice on how I can incorporate working abroad?

>>55763007
I'm a SWE making $250k at my job, have two kids in diapers, and I am literally doing this. I am currently trying to bootstrap my own SaaS product to escape wagedom but I am struggling on a legitimate product idea. I have a whole functioning app but no use case. I am only surrounded by pajeets at work (im white) and my wife + kids who have no idea how to help generate a product. This is hell.

>>55763007
>DUDE JUST CREATE YOUR OWN INDEX FOR FREE ON ASTRADAO PLATFORM AND WATCH HOW YOU BUILD WEALTH.

>>55763007
What about cybersecurity

>>55763057
Why the fuck should I have to do work outside of work? This is why I'm doing accounting fuck gay ass computer science.

Now do one for tradies

>>55763007
All these faggots claiming to be some elite FAANG SWE making $150k+ out of the gate are larping NEETs. Sorry you can't hang with the real degens clicking a few buttons making millions just predicting patterns in the market.