/biz/ - Business & Finance

Are you beginning to understand?

>>55745246
Is this real????

>>55745241
what's the point of running a game on the blockchain? what's the point if you cant even host illegal games because icp isnt censorship resistant?

fucking lost it at "the internet computer" hahahaha that's literally the fucking dumbest name ever. Everybody who bought the internet computer should be fucking broke it's just natural

>>55745262
No, it's unreal. Unreal Engine, the world's most open and advanced real-time 3D creation tool for photoreal visuals, 3D computer graphics game engines, and immersive experiences.

And it's now available for use by any dapp developer on the internet computer.

>>55745316
oh yeah and internet computer is now offering up a whopping 200 MILLION fucking dollars for anyone who can create a half decent app.

oh and eth integration is almost complete.
HELLOOOOO!!!! RING A DING A LING LING It doesn't take a fucking economic genius to see where all this is going.

ICP will be a top 3 coin within 3 years or less. It is the next step in the evolution of cryptocurrency, the foundation upon which web 3 shall be built, and the internet ecosystem is about to fucking BOOM!!!!

>>55745340
like the algo foundation!

>>55745241
>looks at the chart
Get rekt

>>55745316
Why does it need a blockchain

>>55745241
Explain what the purpose of running games on web3 is.

>>55745241
Blockchains are for moving coins around. No one cares about an internet computer HAHA

>>55745495
cause it's cool

>>55745553
That's a non-answer.

>>55745643
>create a cool strategy game where you have to genocide other races
>NNS majority votes to take it down
thanks for playing

>>55745698
that's a cool game idea! wow!

>>55745246
Unreal does have an AI tie in as one of the engines they were working on incorporated it for live voice interactions with NPCs

>>55745643
>That's a non-answer.
yeah ok why did we go to the moon. Why do people have sports cars

>>55745786
For reasons that have no bearing on web3 gaming.

>>55745823
cause it's cool

>>55745340
Any anons want to nab some of that $200M?

>>55745941
You think we went to the moon cause it's cool?

>>55745960
Yes, I have the perfect idea, TG me @steviebe

Any ICP game devs here? Do you think the chain could support a 3rd person game where you run around as several players in the same session killing enemies? Is it actually low latency enough to for example enable something like a character hitting moving targets with projectiles (without hitscan or lock on targeting)? This might be the opportunity to get into gamedev because I know my game would pump our bags

>>55745823
To tie in crypto currency which will allow many different types of games, most notably games where items can be shared as nfts between games, or sold, or traded- fairly and accountably and tamper proof and verifiable

>>55746271
>> Do you think the chain could support a 3rd person game where you run around as several players in the same session killing enemies?


Yes, ICP already has Several 3d first person shooters, 100% on chain, running at web speed.

>>55745495
Simple, in game purchases. Skin NFTS, Character NFTS, in game Item NFTS, etc etc. The video game market is worth over half a billion and the cryptocurrency market is worth over 1 trillion. Put the two together. Only one fucking chain in existence that can actually run decent games.

Internet computer is the foundation upon which web 3 shall be built. Fuck do i have to spell it out to you? i'm literally spoon feeding you fags microwaves and refrigerators when the rest of the market is still trying to figure out how to create a damn fire. Nothing else can do this shit. No other cryptocurrency can run games like this and this is just a single snowflake on the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what icp is, does, and will become.

>>55746271
>> Do you think the chain could support a 3rd person game where you run around as several players in the same session killing enemies?


Yes, ICP already has Several 3d first person shooters, 100% on chain, running at web speed. (see pic)

>>55745495
Simple, in game purchases. Skin NFTS, Character NFTS, in game Item NFTS, etc etc. The video game market is worth over 500 billion dollars and the cryptocurrency market is worth over 1 trillion. Put the two together. Only one fucking chain in existence that can actually run decent games.

Internet computer is the foundation upon which web 3 shall be built. Fuck do i have to spell it out to you? i'm literally spoon feeding you fags microwaves and refrigerators when the rest of the market is still trying to figure out how to create a damn fire. Nothing else can do this shit. No other cryptocurrency can run games like this and this is just a single snowflake on the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what icp is, does, and will become.

>>55746561
The monetization of gaming beyond the initial purchase has been a malignant cancer on the industry. Guess it's a big money maker though.

>>55745340
most us 2021 investors (which you are) abandoned icp by 2023.
woe to those still holding.

>>55746611
Yes, this is the business and finance forum, we are here to make money.

>>55746611
Pay to play is dying. You already see a move now where it’s turning free 2 play with in game assets for companies to make money (battle pass and skins).
Play to earn in the crypto space is retarded and majority scams.
But free to play where you can gain unique in game assets through playing like weapons and gear with unique features and then be able to actually exchange these items within the in game market place, third party market places, or just sending items to random friends in exchange for crypto/games currency has unlimited potential. Some games could even have their own in game markets like the price for lets material to build weapons.
That’s the future of gaming and blockchain technology. It’s what nfts are meant to be used and basically the only great use case for them.
There’s only one game being developed at the moment that actually understands this which is Dragginz. The devs are incorruptible as well and won’t rug pull since they’re already rich.
Gaming needs to move to an independent route and move away from Sony, Microsoft, and steam. The centralized services are preventing all of this due to the fear of losing control but once the inevitable shift happens they will try to go balls deep into adoption to stay relevant.
Then 5-10 years will be really interesting for the gaming and blockchain communities

>>55746809
>>There’s only one game being developed at the moment that actually understands this which is Dragginz.


That's not even remotely true. There are multiple games on icp implementing the free to play in game app nft purchase model. Which has been proven to be highly profitable in the traditional centralized markets and will undoubtedly be so in crypto with the implementation of in game playable/wearable/usable traceable nfts.

We're like at the emersion of a trillion dollar market built on top of the internet computer.
To say it's just dragginz is blasphemous. It is one among many, and soon to be thousands of games in the icp gamefi space.

>>55746874
The difference is the other games aren’t building games based off of passion. They’re doing it for money and they’re pretty shitty quality atm with slow development even after receiving a shit ton funding as well.
Cubetopia for example is free to play but there’s no way to gain nfts from the game. Then decided to just go on this whole side quests of pets for another money grab instead of focusing on finishing the game.
This apply to a lot of projects in the space due to being easily corruptible for the need of money. This doesn’t apply to dragginz at the moment.
So yeah on chain they’re the only game where this applies to.

>>55745989
we went to the moon just to show we could

>>55745453
It doesn’t.

>>55745241
OOOOO AMBASSING

>>55745960
yes give me an idea

>>55745495
What is the purpose of running your game on web2? Web 3 is better because its decentralized and can't be taken down or tampered with. Or at least its harder.

>>55745290
like this actually
what the fuck is the point? lol that's so fucking random and stupid. LOL not FUD i just dont fucking understand. THERES ALREADY A WAY TO DO THIS ITS CALLED DOWNLOAD THE GAME AND PLAY IT
the ENGINE IS ALREADY FREE jfc

>>55747312
I'm not a 1 man show, gotta collaborate

>>55747382
Kek doesn’t understand the current security risks with the current game place where it would be retarded to not host it on chain for game assets worth hundreds of thousands. There are so many hacks that happened with csgo

>>55745453
Say you've got some unique stuff
Think custom mounts on Warcraft,skins in csgo
Or armour in RuneScape
And you somehow get scammed
The blockchain can mark that and ensure you get it back.
No such thing as smurf accounts with the blockchain

>>55745495
That's where all the servers are

>on chain

bruh icp has literal server farms why would anyone be impressed.

>>55747704
Literal cope from every other chain baggie that can’t even dream of their chain being able to do this and can’t understand the reason why this is important. Just shows how early we are

>>55747769
>ISFO ID
It's so fucking obvious
Don't worry anon whem ICP breaks into the top 10 next bullrun people like that will be asking if it's stil a good time to buy

He still not buying because moon is scammer

>never checked ICP tech

>NGMI

>>55747704
>I should be able to run a node on the world computer with my heckin Nintendo switcherino just b-because ok!

>>55747481
>game assets worth hundreds of thousands
wat

>>55745241
Why are pajeets scamming this place all of a sudden? You're in the wrong place to do this. /biz/ are a bunch of autists, no way in hell you're going to convince them.

>>55748080
plenty of skins on csgo go for $100k+. welcome to the new world

>>55748677
I don't know who's more embarrassing zoomers or millenials

>>55747551
I can't believe there are people peak midwit enough to think anyone needs this shitcoin.

It's just an agent to inteface with ICP from UE, you can do this with any chain. You guys don't have a clue and should quit this board.

icp is not even a real blockchain its just a vps hosted centralized scam chain

>>55748728
The ICP shitcoin? No, you're right, not really needed. But the opportunities the IC stack offers is undeniably impressive. Whether that translates to positive price action is irrelevant to my interests. I just want to build cool shit.
And, if my lazy ass is motivated to pull out the sdks and start writing, you can bet there's lots of other people doing the same. Any value locked up in IC-hosted projects unfortunately translates into ICP value; it's the same phenomenon that pumped eth to high heaven. Eth itself doesn't carry trillions of dollars of value, it's the projects it enables that hold that value.
You're right that this is still a worthless shitcoin with a desolate environment right now; and there's certainly no promise of success in the future. But, if you're even intermediate skill at any low level languages, take a look for yourself. The writing is on the wall, anybody can assess it for themselves.
~Verification not required.~

>>55749987
Then do it and host everything 100% on chain.

>>55748692
>>55748728
>>55749987
>>55749994
>>55750121
It’s just funny how much the faggots on this board are coping about this

>>55750327
Why not address what I said instead of mass-replying like a faggot

>>55750338
You wrote a whole lotta nothing that can be consolidated to just cope

ICP solves the reason Vitalik invented ETH. Look into it

Damn unreal engine on the internet computer. OP is right, gamefi is going to be huge next cycle. This is fucking huge. And with 200 million dollars in grant money to devs? Fuck man I gotta start stacking computers. What's a make it stack of ICP nowadays?

>>55750680
10,000/1,000 is make it/sui stacks but if you invest in DKP it’s 1/10 make it/sui since it’s only a $4million mcap

>>55748728
Make sure you don't buy any at all.

>>55747481
game assets are already onchain on other blockchains. why does a whole game need to be onchain if it's not even censorship resistant? no point at all.
>>55745731
it's shit, just used as an example of an illegal game. if you can't host this kind of game (or just copyrighted games) without it being removed by the NNS votes, it's pointless.

>>55750966
Security benefits retard. You fags still do not understand. If you’re handling $100k+ items you’d want the best security. You can’t have that with a game that has a blockchain extension/integration for assets. You’d want the entire chain online and the fact that you think dfinity will censor faster than steam and the barriers of entry to Xbox and Sony platforms just shows how retarded you are.

>>55750966
>Let’s host illegal content.
Again you can play Mario rn on dscvr and there was a Pokémon site for a bit but the guy stopped paying the cycles on it. The dev took down the game for Mario64 there hasn’t been any censorship for this by dfinity yet. If you want illegal content and cp go use tor. If you think the basis of blockchain technology is to host illegal content you’re beyond retarded

>>55750319
I don't need to cause such libraries exist already and before you say "Eth is not 100% on chain", the true blockchain is the one that can be hosted everywhere and validated by everybody, not the one you can only host on nodes daddy Dom allows and that is only validated by 10 servers.

>>55751082
Lol so much a blockchain if a dev stops paying or the canister gets spam.attacked shit disappear. Surely everyone will want to pay for an NFT that can disappear anyday

I won't buy your bags, faggots.

>>55751338
>>55751322
Again you don’t understand blockchain technology at all and the benefits it can be used in other places rather than just moving coins from A to B.

>>55751362
Nobody cares if you do. /biz/ can’t pump this shot even if they tried. The whole point of this thread is showing how blockchain tech is evolving

DKP mcap predictions eoy 2024 bizbros?

>>55745313
It also shares a name with the dumbass meth addict juggalos. Did they do no market research before picking a name? Not fudding but it really speaks poorly to their credibility.

>>55751971
Atleast $1 billion

>>55751082
>The dev took down the game for Mario64
LMAO yeah the dev can rugpull the entire game. at least when you buy and install a copy on your computer it's yours and it will always be there

>>55752095
if Adam stops being a drunk and solely focuses on building this game to the next level i could see that $1b mcap happening

>>55752294
i have 100+ DKP and a real job. what am i in for?

>>55752067
They probably googled the acronym, they were just audacious enough to take IP (Internet Protocol) and fit Computer in regardless of some has been burger band

>>55752388
Doubt.
I’m one of the top 5 wallets outside of adam, and I know the others with 3figs of sns-1.
Unless you’re one of them, in which case kek.

>>55753119
I’m on page 2 working my way up to 30. DKP will mint millionaires.

>>55745316
>>55745340
Nice pitch. Where do I send my money?
https://youtu.be/_GXzWM9I-bM

I've fucked around with unreal engine on and off the past few years. So I have some questions. Where does the power to run the engine come from when it's running on blockchain? You don't need a gaming rig to use UE4 and UE5 but it won't run on a toaster. I'm assuming you compiled the source code and some how got it running from a link. Can you please provide the link I'd like to see. Also when it comes to importing/exporting content how does that work? Where are your project files stored?

The more I think about this, the more questions it just brings to mind. Wouldn't it make more sense to run UE5 locally so you can take full advantage of your CPU/GPU? Usually you would use your machine as a benchmark for optimization. Then there's things to consider like latency and delays.

Cool idea, but this seems to fall apart really quickly if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. I don't think the use case is very good and just don't see a market demand for this.

>>55753119
from the discord? who am i then? i don't know you

>>55753312
These negroes don't understand shit and just spout nonsense, UE is still running on your client, this is just a library to interface with an IC backend directly from UE, so you can get player items and shit.
Nothing special all major chains have one

What's everyones thoughts on the other projects we got going on?
Openchat
Ghost
Etc

>>55754427
Show me other chains that have done this with UE

>>55745241
Unreal engine game dev here. No one cares about this and there has been other Blockchain integrations for a long time now.

>>55754489
Go look at the unreal marketplace there's a few on there. Pretty sure eth is.

Jeff Benzos was the first playable videogame character on the ICP blockchain. The dev team took a lot of convincing.

>>55754525
Not the same though, can’t host it on chain

What's everyones thoughts on the other projects we got going on?
Openchat
Ghost
Etc

>>55754546
You aren't going to run unreal engine on a Blockchain. You're making a use case for a problem that doesn't exist.

>>55754554
OC good and ghost is shit. Kinic is shit. EMC will see but seems like a money grab. Catalyze is okay but no users. Seers shit. BoomDao shit. Hot or not shit. Pretty there allowing anybody to become SNS at this point and receive funding.

>>55754573
>doesn’t understand the security advantages

>>55754598
Security advantages? Lol? Crypto integrations for unreal are simply being able to access the Blockchain from within the game. The only use case for crypto in gaming is in game economy stuff and you could use any Blockchain for that. You have zero idea what you're hyping.

>>55754554
My bad for the two posts lads I ain't demented.
>>55754585
Fair enough thanks for the heads up anon.
Seems it's ICP and Dragginz for me then

>>55754598
You can't run UE5 on chain, Stadia and other game streaming services already have latency and they make optimizations across their entire stack to make it playable, there is no way the IC can generate 30 frames a second, achieve consensus on each of them and deliver them to your browser, the hardware is not capable and the latency is in the range on seconds instead of milliseconds.

You're just a nigger who watched too many Dom presentation and think the IC is some kind of alient artifact, truth is its a quite average chain, with decent performance at the expense of compromised decentralization, only redeeming factors are threshold tech and http outcalls. The rest is dogshit, so much that to have working DeFi they had to build an EVM clone first.

>>55754624
You could use any blockchain if you wanna rinse yourself out lmao.
Look up how much a gigabyte of on-chain data costs on AVAX, ETH etc
ICP is Web3.0

>>55754671
Data on those chains is immutable and never disappear, on ICP you pay less but you can lose your shit at any point in time.
Plus storing isn't that expensive compared to other chains but its more expe sove than IPFS with pretty much the same security guarantees if you use pinning services and that doesnt account for the cost of uploading the data, 1TB costs like 7k

>>55754671
If it's cheaper and as secure then sure that's an advantage but you retards are shilling this like it's some new tech. It isn't. Either way if you know anything about gaming, Blockchain use cases are either dead or many many years away.

>>55754712
There is some good shit coming out, I've talked with many teams. But regardless of quality the NFT aspect will make the marketing pitch harder.
Crypto fags don't get this simple concept: gamers hate crypto, nft and web3

>>55754731
The only potential "decent" game coming out using Blockchain is Deadrop and even then we don't know if it's actually using Blockchain in game and it's not using ICP.

Also yes gamers hate crypto and nfts. The use case potential is extremely low. It's hard enough to make a good game let alone one with crypto integrated.

>>55754670
ICP really isn't like other cryptos. I think it's a mistake to call it a blockchain. It uses blockchain technology at many levels in their service but as a whole it's not really a blockchain. It's a federation of data centers that uses cryptography to route container requests to random server and uses cryptography to guarantee that the container is identical to the one you requested. In effect it operates like a blockchain with decentralized services and trustless interaction. However it's not permissionless. A single instance of a hosted game is running on a single server somewhere in a data center. Your assignment to that container is done in a trustless manner. Does this make sense?

>>55754731
And you fags still think it’s going to be the current crypto climate for gaming. It’s just going to evolve where you’ll be able to trade in game assets with one another and have the security benefits with. Will have in game marketplaces as well. Can also integrate ai to generate unique weapons with unique abilities and stats.

The current gaming ecosystem is shit. If we can get rid of selling skins from devs and battle passes where games are free 2 play and you can acquire skins and assets through just playing and beating quests with a little bit of randomness and being able to send assets to friends or put it on the marketplace is the future.
The only way this can be achieved if money isn’t the main objective and natural ecosystem will be formed overtime.
That is blockchain gaming. Everything g currently in the space for play 2 earn is a scam and complete joke. The only chain that can do this at the moment is icp. Where it’s cheap and security and integration tops all

>>55754755
The opinion will change and has change with all the fags spending 10 of thousands just opening CSGO cases. Csgo skins have been one of the most profitable things to invest in this year and their shit gets hacked all the time.
Dead drop is great and yeah they aren’t using icp at the moment but there will be security exploits with games not being encrypted entirely by its hosted blockchain. You’ll run into the same problems such as bridge hacks in the current climate.

>I'm playing Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous
>everyone else is playing Baldur's Gate 3
I would rather put more money into investments than build a new gaming pc to run it

>>55754807
I know well enough, worked closely with the foundation for 2 years before I got fed up of their bullshit. Lots of talented people there and I still occasionally newt with them, but management is fucked up.

>>55754809
That won't happen, but you are free to believe and invest in whatever you want

People itt are quick to shit on something that not a single other chain can feasibly do.
ICP already has YouTube, plebbit, Twitter and Telegram clones.
It's gonna be massive

>>55755130
How much money do you have? That’s all that matters if your some dev with a measles $1million then nobody gives a shit about your opinion especially if you’ve never built any successful project specifically for gaming.
On the other hand we have a key supported of the internet computer who sold his game for $100 million+ and is build his own game on the icp out of passion rather than for money.

>>55754858
False. Games will continue to be capitalist and make players buy new skins for their next games. Steam already has built in capability to transfer item ownership and they will easily show how it could be transferred between games within steam itself without a Blockchain when CSGO 2 comes out.

>>55755285
I work for a firm and recently they decided to start looking into gaming opportunities, I'm the one who meets with the teams and decide if their pitch is worth an investment. Adam won't go anywhere, he is a dinosaur in today's market, he is bored cause he has money but no life purpose and decided to buy some attention by pandering to IC fags.
Everything being currently built on the IC in terms of games is obsolete and has no market outside speculators and people who's gaming experienced is limited to sudoku and candy crash

>>55755433
Dude you have to understand all the guys spouting this nonsense have no idea what they are talking about, they are not devs and their exposure to gaming is either limited to the most normie shit or stuck in the 00s, assuming it exists at all.
That is why they are impressed by catchy marketing buzzwords, i see this shit almost on a weekly bases in meetings because in the past 2 years grifters had it so good they managed to fool tons of investors with the same tactics

>>55755443
>I work for a firm and recently they decided to start looking into gaming opportunities

>>55755472
>and their exposure to gaming is either limited to the most normie shit or stuck in the 00s

sorry sir but are you a true gamer youself? What's the last game you spent 300 hours playing?

>>55755433
Which is sucking steams dick you fucking retard. Will probably have a shitton of exploits as well.

>>55755443
>>55755472
Kek the fucking cope. Been playing dark souls since day fucking 1. Literally an active gamer and play apex and csgo all the time now for competitive fps.
It’s just funny how you fags still don’t see it yet.

>>55755531
It’s just cope for these faggots. It’s really funny seeing there mental gymnastics and then claim no you’re not a true gamer.

>>55755443
no life purpose? his life purpose is to give the middle finger to the gaming world that fucked his game Neopets and turned it into corporate hogwash, exactly the kind of bullshit your "investment firm" wants to pump and dump for a profit. i don't even play games but i guarantee your "investment firm" only "invests" in absolute dogshit games that go absolutely nowhere after you dump

Anyone heard anything regarding the ETH integration?

>>55755603
is donna williams powell from neopets related to dom?
giantbomb.com/donna-williams/3040-90272/

You'll own no games and you'll be happy.

>>55755879
no she is not

>>55755603
We don't pump and dump cause the games we are seeding have no crypto bullshit that is exposed to the user, they simply use blockchain for some of their backend stuff, such as collectibles. We make money based on royalties from retail sales, so if the game is dogshit we don't make a dime. I have been hired due to my mixed background in crypto and gamedev, plus contacts with a few prominent streamers, the reason they send me is if the game or their ideas smell like shit I immediately notice

>>55755589
Good for you, fact remains you're still so clueless on a technical level you think ICP is running ICP fully on chain. Say that to any dev worth their salt and he'll laugh in your face.

>>55756131
Please list the most successful game your firm has funded

>Google icp
>wigger clowns show up
Yeah that checks out desu

>>55756193
The best fud is a clown wigger rap gang

>>55756181
None yet cause my firm historically never invested in games, it's a failry recent division to we are just now seeding the first round of projects.

>>55756201
>internet computer
>can’t into SEO
Not understanding why it matters is part of why you will never make it

>>55756228
>boy just got on his pony for the first time and thinks hes king of the castle.

This is just the "my friend is a software engineer and he says bitcoin is stupid" fud that we have all heard. Anyways I think turning game items into nfts would be great for gamers because it would give them actual ownership of their digital assets. imagine grinding on some game for top level gear and you piss off some tranny and they nuke your account? obviously this is detrimental to steam which is probably where a lot of the "gamers hate crypto" comes from. the reverse gas model on icp is perfect for this too, imagine having to pay $200 to send your friend a skin or some stupid shit because your game is "built on" eth.

>>55756329
It's an incredible idea anon.
Just take Borderlands
An almost endless stream of guns
So many guns you'll probably never find the same exact one twice (outside of named rates)
If someone wants a certain gun, make it possible for players to turn their guns to NFT's and sell them.

>>55745313
that is why it is genius
it's so shit, it becomes good
internet computer

>>55756329
It's funny cause I've never said what you're proposing isn't valuable, just that running a freaking UE game completely on chain is dumb and not even possible.
What you describe can be easily achieved with any chain with a decent level of scalability, obviously not on ETH base layer.
90% if projects I've reviewed so far are either on some ETH l2, Avax or new modular protocol.

>>55756561
>Blatantly lying in a thread that's existence proves the lie
>Freaking
Lmao but fr though
Give us a few names of chains that could handle a UE game release on top of all the other things ICP's got going right now such as the
YouTube, Reddit, Telegram and 4chan clones.
And by do it, I mean cheaply without compromise the exact way ICP does it.
And give examples of those projects already existing on your example, of you can that is.

Few will read and even fewer will care, to those who do here is my advice: the future of crypto and web3 is offchain, the industry is moving to a zk based execution layer backed by a data availability layer. Scaling on L1 isn't possible without some kind of compromise due to inherent latency of consensus. Only protocols which might succed on top of these are the ones offering a sharding model that preserves atomic scalability, full private computing and the glue that holds everything together. SOL and ICP won't survive the wave that's coming.

>>55756609
What do you mean as game release? Client downloads? Backend infra?
Cause downloads can be easily done with IPFS and FVM, even more efficiently and less cost expensive infact, backend infra only makes sense for item ownership as simulation of game logic is a nono for all chains, there are tons of protocols that can handle that.

>>55756625
Such as ?

>>55756656
I'm not gonna write names otherwise you'll write me off as a shill. One thing Dfinity taught me is when to cut my losses, I said my piece, if you wanna stick with Dom's fever dream go on, you might even make some profit, but ICP is not a long term play and be careful about the hype, lots of og schizos and techie left the threads so now all that's left and negroes and jeets who are full on the "alien tech" copium.

>>55756705
Look lad i don't care either give me the names of the other chains or fuck off with your fake stories

>>55756613
>eth is dogshit and doesn't work but in the future we will put a bunch of unproven band-aids on our dogshit and then it will work!

either way in its current state icp moggs the fuck out of eth, this cant be denied.

>>55755130
>I sperged out on the dfinity forum because things need to be done my way j-just b-because ok!

>>55756841
I've never posted on the Dfinity forums, I got an account when it was still invite only, but mostly lurked. No point in sperging there when you can interact with the devs directly.
They were good people for the most part, at least the ones in Zurich, barely meet the SF guys. Most of the one I knew left in the months following genesis, some are still there but the initial enthusiasm is gone. Only the core crypto team is still going strong cause they are the most independent one with tons of pull over priorities and resources, they are basically doing research an institute would pay them 120k at best for 4 times as much.

>>55756762
ETH's survivability is at risk, even as a DA layer it sucks.

>>55753157
Which DKP is this?

>>55757070
Dragginz

>>55757048
go make a post and put your id in the reply there so we can see the account age and these fools will be btfo

>>55757168
All he has really said is a) he is fed up with "bullshit" and b) most of people he knew left after genesis. It might be interesting if he wrote up a 2000 character post about exactly what went wrong with ICP, why the people he knows left and why this matters from a financial perspective.

>>55757207
he's an avax cocksucking fag roach

where does ICP store the data?
one of the functios of a blockchain is datastroage.
how would this not blotmax any storage systmen
or is this just realime processing by the blockchain?
If the latter what is teh advantage

>>55757168
The account was deleted during "Dom's purge", the guy has invisible enemies like a meth addict, as soon as you upset him, which is quite easy, he believes you conspiring against him. At ETHCC I couldn't be at the ICP event cause there was a serious risk I'd cause troubles for my acquaintances.

>>55757207
Not gonna do it sorry, I wouldn't be the first to receive a legal threat or even a lawsuit from Dom's lawyer, my life is good now and I don't care anymore about them, but still have a bit of respect for this board. You shouldn't believe any individual's side of things anyway, I just told you my opinions, you can easily make up your mind with a bit of research and figure I'm not bullshitting, all the necessary data is out there.

>>55757230
I mentioned Avax once, not my fault if many teams are using it for gaming, not all of them and not even a majority, but it comes up once every 5/6 meetings. I'm somewhat interested in it, but not so much to come here and sell it to you, simply presented some data based on my experience.

>>55757238
Icp is not a blockchain, it is a replicated cloud platform, whose code is run using Dfinity's stack on permissioned nodes. You pay based on data size and how long you want to store it, once the credits run out, the data is deleted.
A blockchain is only used to achieve consensus and sync catch up packages, but it's not like other protocols wherr security of data is based on having to validate the entire chain and altering some stuff retroactively messes up the whole thing. On ICP as long as 2/3 +1 nodes in a subnet agree on some shit, that's it and you don't even know it happened unless it's too late and once you notice there is no forking cause the data is held only by nodes.

>>55757361
Avax fag. Avax moves coins from a to b - that’s all it can do.

>>55757384
I don't give a damn about Avax, holy shit I knew I shouldn't have mentioned any names, the other anon even wanted a full list.
All i know about it is it's approach to consensus, that's it. DO NOT BUY IT, I don't care as I don't have an horse in this race and even if I did I wouldn't waste time hoping a bunch of jeets in an IC thread could pump by bags.

>>55757334
What is "Dom's purge" and when did it occur?

Why would you get a legal threat for explaining what went wrong with ICP, why the people you know left and why this matters from a financial perspective?

>>55757447
Dom's purge is what happened in the months following genesis when Dom started sperging out cause his master plan to control the token distribution didn't pan out. Turns out when you piss off your employees for years and they hold millions in vested tokens, they sell as soon as possible. When that happened he started suspecting anyone who ever confronted him, exception made for a few untouchables. Shortly after that Cedric left the company.

>Why would you get a legal threat for explaining what went wrong with ICP

Dom has done that at least a couple times from what I know, could be even more, don't forget this is the same guy that posted a bounty to dox "FUDsters", who were actually poor investors who got screwed and wanted some transparency and accountability. He legally threatened some big time investors too cause they were "conspiring to sabotage dfinity with NNS proposals"

The people that left did so for a variety of reasons, some had stayed there for 4+ years and wanted to move on, others were tired of the work environment and others realized the dream they signed for initially, a.k.a ETH but done right, was no longer there and little web3 mentality was left at Dfinity, so they cashed their chips and moved to other projects or different industries altogether, 2 even fully retired at age 30/40.
From a financial prospective I'm not sure what it means, efficient market theory is dogshit and in crypto it's utter nonsense so everything can happen. But from what I'm told, current day Dfinity is a bunch of yesmen or in general devs farming a good salary, researchers playing around with the tech and a deraged CEO whose vision is "i want to do everything"

>>55757334
>I never posted
But
>The account was deleted during "Dom's purge"

Lol yes surely the reason why you can’t post any proof of your 16pbtid bullshit is because Dom is conspiring against you. At least you haven’t tried the “blockchain is what I say it is and nothing more” fud yet.

>>55757544
Can you give more detailed information on Dom's plan to control the token distribution? Do you have any thoughts as to why you got purged, if you did? (Your forum account allegedly getting deleted?)

Who is Cedric? What's his twitter or whatever, has he ever made any comment?

>Dom has done that at least a couple times from what I know
When? To whom?

>others realized the dream they signed for initially, a.k.a ETH but done right, was no longer there
Did any one of them tell you exactly where this dream is if not in ICP? Do you have any idea what these people's definition of the dream itself might be?

>From a financial prospective I'm not sure what it means
What I meant is, what does it financially matter to us that the people you know left Dfinity, if true? Why did they leave and what did they formerly do? From a /biz/ perspective, what do you think is the problem with the current situation? Do you think there's any other project that might better fulfill the vision of "world computer" and capture that hype?

Just asking these questions for the archive as an ICP investor, thanks

>>55757709
He isn't conspiring against me in particular but after genesis he "cleaned house" of all the devs who HE thinks were conspiring against him.

>Can you give more detailed information on Dom's plan to control the token distribution

I'm about to head off so I'll be brief, there were 2 sides pre genesis: offer lot of liquidity at launch by easing access to locked tokens to early investors and airdrop participants or keep liquidity at a minimum so the token price stays high. Dom favored the latter but didn't account for the early member to dump their vested tokens. ICP was initially supposed to launch in 2018 and by then all team tokens would still be vested cause they had a 3 year lockup, but in 2021 anyone could sell. That tanked the price.

>Do you have any thoughts as to why you got purged, if you did?

Everyone who was fired or quit in that timeframe and had a bad rep with Dom had their accounts deleted: forum, internal mail, Jira, company Reddit account, everything. I suppose Dom feared one of us would expose him, the guy is paranoid.

>Who is Cedric
One of Dfinity's founders, now head of code and state.

>When? To whom
Many times don't have specific at hand, some are public others have been said in confidence. Public ones are easily found.

>Did any one of them tell you exactly where this dream is if not in ICP? Do you have any idea what these people's definition of the dream itself might be?

Too long to get into maybe tomorrow, all I'll say is there was something special about early Dfinity, it progressively started fading and around 2019/2020 it was completely gone and it was just a rush to release to cash out 4 years of hard work.

>Why did they leave and what did they formerly do?

Another one I might expand upon tomorrow, they built a lot of the protocol, both protocols infact. The one pre 2018 and the current one. They built the Motoko language and compiler, too much to describe in detail.

>>55757715
From a /biz/ perspective, what do you think is the problem with the current situation

Dom.

>Do you think there's any other project that might better fulfill the vision of "world computer" and capture that hype

The vision you guys have been sold is a pipedream based on faulthy reasoning, all the stuff Dom talks about: cheaper IT costs, no need for DB, less complex stack , unlimited scalability are simply not a thing. His vision for a world computer is outdated cause he is stuck in a 2016 protocol mindset, guy strapped a bunch of rockets to a plane and thinks he can go to Mars. The "world computer" he designed isn't even capable of properly running a DeFi ecosystem, composability of services is a huge headache and other use cases like a decentralized YT or Twitter at actual scale, meaning with more than a couple thousand of users isn't feasible both scalability and cost wise.

>>55757894
>guy strapped a bunch of rockets to a plane and thinks he can go to Mars

Tbh this sounds a lot more like ethereum except instead of a plane it’s a donkey.

>>55757835
How would you define 2016 protocol mindset as opposed to 2023 protocol mindset? And what's "composability of services"? Again, just asking for the record

>>55757930
ETH has tons of issues but it was also the first to pioneer this field and has lots of tech debt due impossibility to introduce breaking changes. The OG protocol design for ICP was much more interesting than what you guys got, thankfully other teams have catched up.

>>55757949
How does the OG protocol design of ICP differ from what we have today? Which teams have caught up?

>>55757962
Also see >>55757943

>>55757949
>thankfully other teams have catched up.
This sounds esl but I’ll let it slide this time. Which team? You can’t say? How convenient.

>>55757943
ETH but scalable and with cool stuff like threshold tech vs blockchain singularity pipedream where you sacrifice every bit of decentralization hoping to compete with AWS.

Composability is being able to easily integrate other contracts in your logic and interoperate with them. ETH and many other chains facilitate this with atomic execution at the cost of scalability. ICP's messaging model doesn't have enough security guarantees to do it without introducing many possible vulnerabilities which aren't immediately apparent. Reentrancy attacks are the least of worries for IC dApps. When I quit Dfinity I did consultancy fo InfinitySwap, they paid me and promised equity in form of tokens, I accepted cause they are capable and I knew a big investment was coming from Polychain. I've contacted them 8 months ago to ask where my tokens where and they said "sorry we still haven't launched, DeFi on the base layer isn't achievable so we are building an EVM canister". That says a lot.

>>55757977
I won't say cause spoonfeeding results in accusation of shilling. Just a bit of research will lead you to the answer, the talks are still on YT and the OG whitepaper is still available. Little hint: VRF assisted consensus.

>>55758028
>I had sex with my girlfriend but you wouldn’t know her she goes to another school
Ok lol

>>55758066
Believe what you want, just a couple posts ago I've been called an Avax shill cause I mentioned it once. Anyway this is it for today and for the record I'm not saying not to buy ICP, the token might still pump from here, just be careful cause there is a lot of bullshit around from copium addicts bag holders, this post is an example.

>>55758066
Believe what you want, just a couple posts ago I've been called an Avax shill cause I mentioned it once. Anyway this is it for today and for the record I'm not saying not to buy ICP, the token might still pump from here, just be careful cause there is a lot of bullshit around from copium addicts bag holders, this thread is an example.

>>55758112
Why do you care about being called a shill?

>>55758112
Say the coin. This whole bird is shilling and who gives a shit about shilling/reputation on an anonymous board.
Name the coin and let’s evaluate it against icp.

>>55745290
You guy are so not worthy do be on this board.
ICP would solve this problem. With ICP you could introduce a IQ test before you can access a particular website.

>>55745495
-No more hackers which is a BIG problem in esports.
-Transfer your skills to other games.
-buy a lol skin with wow gold

>>55750121
>>55750338
>>55746874
>>55746561
>>55745340
>>55745316
>>55745246
>>55754807
>>55755443
>>55757361
>>55757334
>>55757894
>>55757949
>>55758785
Respect to you chuds still spoonfeeding in 2023, I don’t have the energy for it anymore. People will soon see, and wish they got in at these levels

>>55758112
>intensely fudding icp
>22pbtid
really makes you wonder

There is 0 advantage of using blockchain or NFT's in video games

>>55746809
>Dragginz
If you know, you know.

>>55745241
lol this thread reeks of 2017 partnership announcements
Unreal Engine does have APIs to Ethereum and other blockchains for years already

reminder VCs bought at 0.03 and are still sitting on a 133x

>thinking crypto gaming has any future in 2020+3
thanks anons i had a good laugh

>>55760499
>thinking crypto gaming has any future in 2020+3
seriously it hasn't even started yet. tons of aaa games are being developed on many chains

>>55761186
Such as ?

>>55759749
I'm glad you feel that way.
Make sure you never buy ICP okay?

You though I was going to let this thread die didn’t you?

>>55763130
*immediately dies*

>>55759787
DRAGGINZ (DKP) will mint millionaires. Secure your make it stack of 10 DKP ASAP! Or forever be an incel chud wagie etc etc.

>>55763822
already did. breeding and sneeding until 2025

>>55763822
so basically it was just a test token minted out of thin air, insiders have a lot of them and they're trying to dump on us again? wasn't icp enough?

>>55765004
No it has an open public launch, no insiders, as a matter of fact the launch was shilled here and I almost got some, but I was late.
>minted out of thin air
How is proof of work needed for an unregistered security? :^)
You just own a piece of the project

>>55754542
kek

>>55765004
actually has one of the most decentralized token distributions i have ever seen. besides adams 5188 wallet, the largest wallet outside of him has like 173. it was launched as a test token and you could only mind one (yes it was botted...) and price immediately went to 200 icp per before crabbing around 30-65 for months while adam accumulated. it is a brilliant play on his point to get a token for his game, there is absolutely no way anyone with even a nigger's brain could call this a security.

check the holders list for yourself
https://t5t44-naaaa-aaaah-qcutq-cai.raw.ic0.app/token/zxeu2-7aaaa-aaaaq-aaafa-cai/holders

oh and pic rel get in while you still can...

Feels comfy af to be one of the top 10 wallets.

>>55766606
nice 50+
you plan to accumulate more? when will you sell? personally I wont sell 1% until my stack is worth 100k+...hopefully a million

>>55763426
Get rekt nigger

>>55766520
you get a better rate on icpswap. i'm down bad with icp, it's my worst trade ever in crypto. should i just go all in dkp with all my icp?

>>55767717
Buying DKP (Formerly Known as SNS-1), Son, is the same as buying ICP with very VERY high leverage and no liquidation risk

>>55745241
there's no need to put a game on the blockchain. bugs happen even in production AAA titles, all the fucking time. having the power of a centralized relational, redundant database structure is cheaper, already the norm, and ultimately just fucking better for developers and users
make your game fun and have trading and play to earn naturally follows anyways, you fucking pajeets
>look at runescape, wow, g2g.com, every game there...

>>55759283
Anon. If it ever does moon a gain all you faggots will have at best made your money back

>>55745960
>>55747393

I'm down. Make a discord or something. We can all brainstorm an idea and take it from there. I'm a frontend dev and have even dabbled with motoko and ICP dev framework some months back before returning to ETH land. More of a frontend dev tho.

tiptoe888 @protonmail

>>55745241
Not needed+by the time anyone starts to care about this several other better coins will have already done it and done it better

>>55745241
Hi, I am mid to low IQ, can someone explain to me why World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy or Baldurs gate would even need to be run on the blockchain vs the Blizzard servers and your PC?
I haven't read anywhere where square enix or blizzard talk about running their games on the block chain. Why would they want to?

>>55769578
proof of ownership and no more vitalik raging because they nerfed his warlock. imagine every item in the game is actually yours and you can hold it in your wallet to sell and transfer it and the game updates are controlled by the players themselves.

>>55769686
Blizzard makes it clear though that you don't anything in the game, you are only paying for the right to play it.

>>55769775
and for that exact reason they'll stay behind. new tech will capture the gaming industry just as we went from disks to digital copies

>>55769686
Dao controlled games would actually be really nice since gaming has been destroyed by women trannys and jews.

>>55747481
>>55747551
>>55754858
Hello Lunaris3000
Skins have a trade history which you would know if you understood the most basic aspects of trading.
They also have absolutely nothing in common with blockchain nfts and its hilarious watching you retards try to connect the dots time and time again before losing everything

t. high end trader

>>55769515
My avg is in the $5s I’m comfy bro