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START MINING IN P2POOL
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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

How many XMR do I need to fuck monerochan?

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

>>55736590
>>55736601
>>55736612

Lebanon you still begging?
>>55736098

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Buy books with XMR
https://monerobookstore.com/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Archetyp
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/h4RgmFiB


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>55736648
Rent free

FOR THE CAPTAIN

https://redcircle.com/SHOWS/CaptainBlackbeard
>https://redcircle.com/SHOWS/CaptainBlackbeard
https://redcircle.com/SHOWS/CaptainBlackbeard
>https://redcircle.com/SHOWS/CaptainBlackbeard
https://redcircle.com/SHOWS/CaptainBlackbeard

The Greatest Pirate Radio Show and Friend of XMR!

the current price is not even close to being a sale

>>55736745
>Rent free

Yes. Bitcoin's price action is still fake and gay, however.

>>55736846
Cope

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

>>55736927
A pedophile, amazing

>>55736937
Are you lost, maxipad?

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>55736937
You appear ignorant not only of what used to be your coin’s primary use case but also the fact that there’s literally cheese pizza in your blockchain. All to be expected from a bitshitter, of course, but it won’t stop being funny

I need some hopium for the future

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>55738098
and right after this we get hit by the zindians

>t. living in hyperinflation
Please I need 6k to pay my loan sharks bc1q2etus3lmlpttud4mh2j852zxm8wgnusajml2av

>>55737923
More cope. Bitcoin is the new global financial system. You bragging about taking over the CP market is nothing in comparison.

>>55738138
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTTac2XjyFY
>Bitcoin is the new global financial system.
Funny how Bitcoin started as a way to go against the global banking system and now its getting absorbed by it.
Have fun with being regulated and having all of your transactions public to the entire world.

>>55738127
There it is.

Reporting in

##################################
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

Oppenheimer was okay.

im not sure if its allowed, but i wanted to post that i started a youtube channel where i discuss monero in most videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAHQ1CHGF3A&t=8

i wanted to link it cuz i feel like most people in this general are supportive of each other creating content around monero. check it out if you guys would like. im doing a weekly podcast now as well.

>>55738410
thumbnail

>the same ziontrash shills and maxipads have been spamming this general for years now to literally no effect
Are they bots or are they just NPCs that have been conditioned into behaving like bots?

>>55738718
Probably a mix of both.
Fairly sure the tripcodes are bots.

why aren't you mining on p2pool

How do I buy without paying so much in fees

>>55736616
I need to know as well.

>>55736616
>>55739440
One more

>>55739466
?

>>55739133
Where the hell is that? Use localmonero.co

>Welcome to the /XMR/ General opsec discussion!
Back once again to spread simple yet critical opsec practises and know-how for everyone! Thank you for reading and as always, topic suggestions, comments and shitposts are much appreciated!

>Previous Discussions
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua
Compartmentalization - pastebin.com/fduPVLmV
Case File Reading - pastebin.com/6Jgr2zsL
Virtual Private Networks - pastebin.com/FDA85DMV
>OpsAnon's public key - pastebin.com/kiEVscyb

Did you know that one of the earliest Monerod activists co-founded QANX? Silur is his name.

Threadly reminder that the /XMR/ bookclub is back again. The current read is "What Has Government Done to Our Money" by Murray N. Rothbard. This week's chapter is chapter 3, "Government Meddling With Money" which discusses the main ways governments interfere with the monetary system, what are its effects, and why do they do it in the first place (spoilers: it's not for philanthropy).

The book is short, so grab a copy over at
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/What%20Has%20Government%20Done%20to%20Our%20Money_3.pdf
>https://mises.org/library/what-has-government-done-our-money

And see previous discussions at
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/wghdtom/
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/wghdtom/week1.html
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/#books

>>55739545
I still haven't ordered this.

Probably should.

>>55740520

>>55739738
ty

>>55738966
Because its hella gay to set up and requires a chain to even start. That and the payment window system is confusing from the much simpler pplns method.

>>55741841
>Because its hella gay to set up and requires a chain to even start.
nigga use https://gupax.io

>>55736590
Monero has been one of my preferred when it comes to security and the fact that transactions can only be viewed only by users' discretion which is what I also like about Sylo the decentralized p2p crypto messenger that can send and receive fungible and non-fungible tokens anonymously.

>>55743365
>Sylo
street-shitter spotted
>decentralized p2p crypto messenger
get simplex.chat , no shitcoin needed.
>send and receive fungible and non-fungible tokens anonymously.
https://molly.im has recently completed a monero ccs funding for adding monero payments into molly messenger (signal fork).
Again, your shitcoin/jeetcoin not needed.

>>55736590

>>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
>https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill

fucked using literal pennies.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PirateChain/comments/15h9v8p/

>>55743713
>simplex.chat
is this superior in any way to xmpp?

>adding monero payments into molly messenger (signal fork)
i will never understand the obsession of embedding crypto payment into other software. if you want to send crypto to some contact in signal just ask for their address and send the xmr from you wallet.

>>55743713
>https://molly.im has recently completed a monero ccs funding for adding monero payments into molly messenger (signal fork).
unfathomably based holy hell
this is what signal should have done in the first place

>>55738718
I’d argue they’re having a net negative effect, as in they’re convincing more people to buy xmr by their sheer stupidity. Unless they’re just baiting I don’t see how they think it’d be effective

are we still doing poker nights?

I don't think anyone can help me but if you could it would mean the world to me if you did, I inherited a old house after my grandmother died a year ago, my parents are long gone they left me with her when I was around eleven and I took care of her the last 24 years, I loved her dearly but I didn't realize the financial burden of having this home would be, she never let me into her finances and always said she would take care of everything, an old catholic woman named Bette and she was strong willed so I never fought her, she passed away after a long cancer battle and finally had a stroke and went pretty fast after that.

I've been able to maintain the payments while working but the taxes are insane here in my small town because its been booming, the house is falling apart and I can't keep up with the taxes and the payments, it only has 30k left on the note and she didn't have anything but enough from social security to keep it paid, the taxes are $3200 a year which is nuts because the house is old and tiny, little 1 story on a broken foundation and leaks everywhere, I was able to put off the payment last year from inheritance given forbearance but I owe $6400 now and I don't know what to do.

I would hate to lose it after all this struggle I've endured, I'm reaching out for help because I don't know where to turn, I'm hoping maybe a small start could get me enough to turn around and get 7kish to pay off the taxes and be wiser next year, if anyone does help I really thank you and am grateful beyond measure
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>>55747646
Your grandmother died because she was a fat nasty whore.

>>55747646
If you're going to give money to some spastic nigger with a larp story you might as well give it to me, I'll use it to buy drugs.
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>>55747761
>>>55747646
>>55747686
Can we fucking not every single XMR thread jesus christ I've only got 4 xmr and I don't beg every thread.

Reminder that coinjoin and lightning make monero obsolete.

>>55747990
>1. CoinJoin to open channel
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo
>2. Use Lightning for as long as you need.
Need to have a live server 24/7 that never goes down.
Nil receiver privacy.
Has to "top-up" your channel in order to make bigger payments than your channel capacity
Has to "rebalance" your channels
Has to pay routing fees while doing it
Central hubs probing your ass and your channels.
Chainanalysis is watching you.
>3. Close channel and CoinJoin.
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo

LN is dead on arrival.
FEDmints are dead on arrival.
Btc is dead on arrival.
Use it as a ponzi scheme that helps you accumulate more XMR on the top of the Bull cycle, or get bust.

You have been warned.

>>55748657
You saved a copy-paste rebuttal? Wouldn't be surprised if you're replying to yourself

How are you all chads at all hours monerochan athenians i feel i sometimes fail and then i feel shame

Is this peak bearmarket?
Nothing but pastas and anti pastas, they same shit every time.

>>55740520
I want to order pic rel and add it to my car...

>>55748842
it's pretty simple
just have this as your background wallpaper.

>>55748854
>Is this peak bearmarket?
The Fed raised rates and yet markets are almost completely numb. Macro still doesn't look good but at the same time even new bad news seems to have a muted effect because people are just worn out and most of the panic seller FOMO bros from last cycle have little to nothing left to dump.

I don't know about if the price has bottomed, but I do feel that market sentiment has been dragging along the bottom for months now.

IMO it's a good buy signal. Better than trying to time the actual price bottom perfectly (which may be already in).

Superior tech is superior.

>>55751158
>>55738101
Hello shills.

>>55741924
i've seen this being shilled a lot in the past months
is it really secure instead of setting up everything myself?
i mean is there a way i'm not being installed some shady stuffs and only the real monero and p2pool softwares?
i was planning to do a new setup for mining with an old computer and i was wondering if i should use that or do it myself

>>55738400
based

Divegrass frens, we're back again in roughly 45 mins with a must-win match for /biz/ against /v/ to save /biz/'s near four year long elite run and relegate /v/.

>>>55752048

>>55752032
>is there a way i'm not being installed some shady stuffs and only the real monero and p2pool softwares
Yes. first use only FOSS (free and open source software), and don't ever install pre-compiled binaries but instead always build everything from source. For maximized freedom and power use Gentoo linux

>>55749629
I see the absolute bottom back at 50 dollars

when bitshit catastrophically crashes sometime between 2024 and 2028

then we can start healing and take over the market

>>55752032
>>55752615
If you don’t want to take the plunge on installing an os, the Guix package manager is really good too. It doesn’t supply any packages it can’t find the source code for, and for the binaries it does provide it also supplies a command to challenge the server you got them from to verify they’re correct. Overall good, if a bit esoteric in design and usage

>>55751158
>Superior tech is superior.

And yet....

>>55752615
how the fuck do you build from source? i know open source is a meme if you can build from source but we really need easy tuts for ignorant fucks like me

>>55755929
>if you can build from source
can't

>>55755929
>>55755944
(for Linux)
I havent built gupax but most things I've built from source that didn't explicitly give instructions on how to compile it broke down to "Run 'make' or 'cmake' in the cloned repository's folder.

How exactly is this supposed to moon with an infinite supply?

>>55758197
Not a moon mission anon. Monerochads tend to be on the fear side of the fear/greed index.

>>55758197
Adoption, Which might take decades.
Moonfags btfo

>>55738113
>Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it
I'm grabbing some Monero and Zcash, no sweat if one tanks, thinking 'bout throwing in Sylo or Prcy too, since they're all about anonymity vibe.

>>55736590
wats wrong monero? need eth fees????

>>55759376
>wats wrong monero? need eth fees????
nothing's wrong really.
transaction pool is chugging along nicely, adding the new transactions into the monero blockchain in a cheap and fast way.

No need for bitshit or ethshit fee-levels.

Stop idolizing AI pictures of monerochan and use monero to secure a real gf to dress up as monerochan

>>55740209
>Rothbard

>>55758197
>How exactly is this supposed to moon

Consider buying a dog meme instead.

Moon soon! Cope! Seethe! Dilate!
WAGMI red lambo in two weeks!

>>55758197
>xmr: exists to serve as a privacy oriented replacement to the traditional fiat system
>(You): duhhhh how can I use this to gain more fiat?

>>55761594
Nowhere in that post it is explicitly stated, the increase in value is enumerated in fiat.
He might be thinking in the number of heifers for all we know.
Moo moo motherfucker.

>>55760273
Rothbard was based.

>>55760055
>secure a real gf
I prefer a hooker dawg

>>55762455
Stop wasting your ancestors seed on forest harlots and make monerochan babies in the physical realm to pass down your monero stack to

How tf do I easily buy this coin in the US? It's not on Coinbase or Binance.us or Uniswap.

Don't tell me I need to use a VPN. And also I have ETH injust wanna swap for some

>>55762878
>US
kraken or use offshore swappers & dexs.

Reminder that moonfags get the rope.

do I need to file anything or get in any trouble if I buy a few thousands usd worth of monero every month or two and instantly withdraw to my own wallet

>>55762878
>localmonero.co
You have many eays to pay for xmr and if you just want to swap for another crypto its even easier.

>>55763439
That depends. Are you using a cex with kyc? If the answer is yes then maybe you should be worried depending on the laws of your place. If you are using dex woth no kyc then probably no one is going to know so no need to follow stupid regulations.

>>55761594
I hate anything with pickles on it

>>55762508
I have myself to work on - in this incarnation.
I only use harlots to solve some very basic bugs in my programming. Not sure if the problem is given to myself from my soul contract or an artifact of childhood conditioning. I need to figure it out and solve this run time error.
I would like to contribute to the society in the physical realm by other ways - in a way that is in harmony with the Self. Monerostack will be passed on to CCS when my time on this earth comes closer to the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tNKWdTJQ-Q

https://youtu.be/W1eL9Uzbq3A

>>55762130
He's too eager to defend talmudic money magic (usury) for my liking

>>55764293
The Jew obsession stuff doesn't make your life any better.

>>55764293
>jews jews jews
I'm jewish and I gave you money..... I won't do that again.

>>55764325
>>55764393

It's not obsession, it's disgust. If they all went back to hell with their father, nobody would complain.

>>55740209
So welcome back to those of us following. We've read another chapter of "What Has Government Done to Our Money", namely the chapter titled "Government Meddling With Money".

Whatever view you might hold of the government, it is an organization that primarily acquires its revenue through non-market ways, or violence. Historically, this has been done explicitly through taxation, or the direct seizure of property and labor. But more recently governments have took to inflation as a more covert way to acquire resources. Now, there are some things to note on the effects of inflation. Firstly, the effects of higher prices are not instantly expressed. Sectors that are closer to the government will have an advantage. Secondly, it distorts business calculation, which will inevitably lead to over- and underproduction of goods and services, or economic bubbles.

However, to reach the current monetary state of digital money printers, a lot had to be done. Firstly, the Mint was nationalized. Competing national and international competitors were forced out. This gave way to debasement, which was the prevalent trend in Medieval Europe. Furthermore, artificial ratios and controls were set up for "bimetallism", which through Gresham's Law drove out silver. The next step in monetary control to unleash inflation was with bank holidays, bailouts, and ultimately fractional reserve banking. These measures granted legal immunity to fraud and permitted banks to create deposits out of thin air, or inflation. Central banks were put in place to precisely control (or attempt to control) that inflation. And smaller scale, labeled "commercial banks", were put under direct the control of the central bank.

>>55736590
Either explain how to buy monero anonymously or stop making these threads.

>inb4 local monero
nice try fbi
>inb4 buy some other coin and convert it
>inb4 mine it

>>55764807
However, exchange rates between fiat would be ratios of the purchasing powers. This would show inflation, and the depreciation of a currency's purchasing power. So it was clear, that the freely fluctuating pricing of currencies was not possible. Gold was nationalized (became "the governments' money"), and foreign aid and trade treaties were used to manipulate those ratios. Due to Gresham's Law, that resulted in deficits, money shortages, and even black market rates in cases.

From this, the process is clear. However, many people nowadays refuse free markets when applied to money. The explanation Rothbard offers is one to note
>Nothing is “planned,” everything is haphazard. Government dictation, on the other hand, seems simple and orderly; decrees are handed down and they are obeyed.
>If government dictates over money, it has already captured a vital command post for control over the economy, and has secured a stepping-stone for full socialism.

Thank you for sticking with me, and we'll see you (hopefully without 4chan dying) next week, where we'll be discussing the application of the process to the West.

So some notes,
Gresham's Law can be also be applied to Bitcoin. But, not in the way you would think. A CEX is forced to accept any clean BTC the same way, but not tainted one. However, not all clean BTC is worth the same. Virgin or clean BTC is worth more, but they are accepted at the same rate. The result is the creation of secondary markets for "cleaner than ordinary BTC" and such coins (artificially undervalued) are pushed out of the circulation.
Secondly, Rothbard couldn't have dream of this, but it is worth noting that reserve requirements are no longer a thing. They are officially 0. They were replaced by "liquidity ratios". Also with the increasing push to use credit/debit cards (and likely CBDCs in the near future), the secondary limit on bank inflation is stretched even thinner, when citizens are nearly legally obliged not to withdraw.

>>55764829
Would love to contribute but i just started reading yesterday. Very interesting stuff btw.

>>55764818
Have you tried guessing mnemonic needs?
Seriously, what is the problem with localmonero, it even has a tor site available. Just do cash by mail and take the risk of not adding any personal info to the letter like return address or your name.

>>55764818
>How does math work?
>inb4 2+2=4
Kill yourself. We literally had a jewish ghoul a few threads ago spill the beans that they are fudding xmr by poisoning the well against the fiat to xmr onramps like lm. You faggots are pathetic.

>>55764818
Even if you bought fully kyc'd from a CEX its more or less irrelevant. The concept is to be digital cash. When you take cash from an ATM the bank knows you have withdrawn X dollars but that's all. They have no idea what you're doing with it beyond taking it into your possession, same idea with monero. You're asking intentionally stupid questions for multiple threads now and its neither concerning from a holder perspective, nor an intelligent criticism.

>>55764818
>buy monero anonymously
swappers like:
trocador.app (swap aggregator ran by moneroj.net) does TOR
stealthex.io (sponsors of MoneroTalk on YT)
simpleswap.io (listed on getmonero,org)
swapspace.co (big boy swap aggregator, web3 if you're feeling cute)
There are others, gotta search for em.

>seraphis will allow 64+ ring sizes

Does this mean we'll be able to remove the 10 block lock on coins once seraphis is live?

>>55767587

Based

>>55766391
My entire 1,000 XMR stack was bought on swap sites like this
Humiliate the faggot shill in this thread.
You can get as much anon xmr as you please.
WE DONT CARE IF YOUR CBDC POWERED BUTTPLUG DOESNT DIRECTLY WORK WITH CENTRALIZED EXCHANGES THAT SELL XMR

>>55764818
local monero is legit
just cause some guy gets arrested you think the platform doesn't work? are you retarded?

>>55767817
>WE DONT CARE IF YOUR CBDC POWERED BUTTPLUG DOESNT DIRECTLY WORK WITH CENTRALIZED EXCHANGES THAT SELL XMR
based, make crypto scary again
self-custody, p2p all the way
all these faggots using exchanges as wallets make me SICK

Which wallet is easiest for a total beginner?

>>55769238
monero-gui

>>55767817
Good lord I'd be happy with 50 xmr let alone 1k jesus

>>55768647
what do you mean by scary
I'd find it scary to not have any control over "my" money, not using your own wallet is no different than using paypal as a bank

>>55767702
I heard 10 block lock will remain as long as ring signatures are being used.
Also the ring size is getting increased to something like 270millions.

>>55769329
Scary to globohomo.

>>55767702
The 10 block lock is for a different reason. It is for chain-reorgs. Which also occur on XMR, and more frequently due to the smaller block times. When a chain reorg happens (the network reorganizes to another chain with a larger combined difficultly) transactions have to be rebroadcast since they are no longer on the new official chain. With Bitcoin this is rare, but most services still require 2-10 blocks to clear until marking a deposit as "finalized".
However, with Monero that cannot be done due to ring signatures. No matter how large the rings are. Most software will simply create a new set of decoys, revealing the true spend in the process. This is why using Monero fork chains like Monero Classic were heavily discouraged, because spending your coins there will reveal your true transactions on the main XMR chain.
So to prevent this, a ring must have all its members at least 10 blocks old, hence the lock. The number 10 is arbitrary tho, and the devs have looked into it and found 3-5 blocks will suffice just as well.
>https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/102
And keep in mind the Serpahis upgrade isn't solely a new transaction protocol, but dusting off old ideas and trying out new ones. The following is an even more radical proposal
>https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/95
We do not know where the research will take us, but for sure the 10 block lock won't be here for long. I hope this helps to explain.

>>55771574
how common are 0-conf and 1-conf reorgs?
what are the chances of accepting a payment just with mempool conf and then getting screw by a reorg?

Any XMR bros actually spending their monero on goods and services?

Can XMR buy sexo?>>55773916

>>55774764
>>55774921
yes.
i hear you can easily pay escorts in monero using trocador's pay feature (just pay to the crypto of their choice)

>>55775557
Do any websites even use anonpay?

How much would you pay for a professional branding package? Includes logo/typography/guide/biz cards for your business (or you personally)

>>55774180
I cannot speak much from experience, as I've never experienced them, but they should be relatively rare. From hyc's node, there seemed to be 20-5 reorgs a month (so 0.09%-0.02% chance per block assuming a flat probability distribution). But nonetheless, you shouldn't be doing 0-conf with random people on a PoW chain. It depends on the confidence level as always, I don't think this is something that blockchains can solve in the near future anyways.

>>55775782
From a tripfaggot, let's see I'd pay -20 XMR

>>55774764
Yup, I've bought from moneromarket, gift cards and mullvad

>>55776448
Thanks for an actual answer, anon. I'll have to check MM out.

>>55776284
Do you think I could have some monero? I don't have anything to sell to you besides my gratitude 87gFu8LPjaBjATqdCFDmp8dbjdMWAdTwZioXPxcgYb7LDAADbp23MmNSQbMsrkVEnNdoZvRECDQhni4FJH8vYCW1TvmxfF8

>>55776547
lol I don't have any money, fuck off.

looking for info on the laws around misattributing income on tax forms. i want to start an xmr side hustle but if i get found out i dont want to be punished for tax reasons. is there a way i can declare income as the result of another business and pay the protection money so i wont get punished more later on?

>>55777544

Start a consulting biz that accepts XMR and pay the invoices yourself.

>>55776273
Thanks for the answer man. I dont actually do 0-conf but i guess that with family and friends it would be ok.

>>55778874

If you're buying a cup of coffee, 0-conf is fine. If you're buying a bar of gold, wait for a few more confirmations.

>>55773300
checked but those tits are too big and not natural.

>>55764807
>>55764829
Also some complementary reading on the topic of the Austrian conception of money with cryptocurrencies from the Mises Wire
>Cryptocurrency as Money—Store of Value or Medium of Exchange?
>https://mises.org/wire/cryptocurrency-money-store-value-or-medium-exchange
>A Critique of the Bitcoin Stock-to-Flow Model
>https://mises.org/wire/critique-bitcoin-stock-flow-model

Bitcoin maximalists are often aligned with free market economics (well, when it suits them. otherwise they will use the State to deport "shitcoin terrorists" from El Salvador), but it is important to consider that their conceptions that
>limited supply and higher S2F means better money
>money is primarily a store of value and not a medium of exchange
are woefully ignorant of actual economic theory. The two entries explain this very well and serve as a nice extension to the contents of the book for the digital age.

>>55779377
Is that the chick from the food truck webm

I am trying to reach number 1 in pokemon showdown by spreading monerochan awareness (my account is monerochan, i am in the position 143 right now) but i was top 50 yesterday, if you want me to reach number 1 support me i will spread the gospel by simply winning and creating a minicult to monerochan on that website

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/ladder


83zmceyLGoEfe9WRSm8nXMMGGswGj2guZ2nHyC4bJ9Mh3jCSTKHe93nRABkNAPVgdVRKgNDWoiQaCbE4MeNhFNW12KGoHFh

>>55781948
Man, stop it. Just stop. No matter how many VPN you will use.

At least in hemorrhoids begging thread there was some discussion.

Hello guys. I hope you're all right. I need help: because of the fucking war in my country, I lost the opportunity to work, and now I have no money. If you don't mind transferring some Monero to me, I'll be very grateful.

87gyDMfuHAWhBdikuTZWofCX8Hee4Zr1G4bFzhXm33St6KTimNnVY1YDxZqh3Jeje9XdE9t1E9USFP1f3VfxU53NKCzhwR9

>>55783407
kek what the fuck is going on.
I'm a burger with literally 3 dollars stop begging everyone here.

I could kvetch and whine all day about my problems but guess what they are my problems.

Leave your country you were given money multiple times and according to you that goes further than it does for me so leave.

But we all know you're fine.

>>55739133
I assume you're in the US.
>Buy ICP (or any coin that is on Kraken) from Coinbase (or your choice of platform) and send it to my Kraken wallet (ICP has instant transfers and < 1 cent transfer fees)
>Trade ICP for USD
>Trade USD for XMR
>Transfer XMR to my own wallet
I do this on Coinbase's Advance trading and Kraken's Pro trading sections since I'm too lazy to figure out localmonero and Kraken doesn't allow cash deposits without a wire transfer
The Advanced/Pro trading options have the lowest fees on their respective platforms (~0.5% for Goybase, ~0.2% for Kraken Pro, the Kraken app (non-pro) is something crazy like 1.5% so don't do that even though its convenient)

To any btc maxis here ygmi congrats fellas looking like 35k is imminent which will trigger a bullrun.
Least I was here to witness it.

bitshit working as expected: http://tortimeswqlzti2aqbjoieisne4ubyuoeiiugel2layyudcfrwln76qd.onion/post/ssndob-marketplace-admin-pleads-guilty

snitchcoin

and bitmaxis believe they can be dissidents to the current system by using bitshit...

>>55783967

>>55780621
great reading anon, thanks
>Likewise, downplaying the importance of active usage of cryptocurrency, which also entails increased business demand, in favor of a “HODL forever” mentality, goes against Mises’s recognition that “business usage alone can transform a commodity into a common medium of exchange.”
btc maxis btfo

>>55784149
https://youtu.be/M1uBoGJm8es

Coinjoin then Lightning, its really that simple. Token not needed.

How do I buy anonymously? Is cash by mail actually a good idea?

>>55783987
How do we redpill the majority the 21, 000, 000 bitcoin narrative is too good to give up do you think wownero is the final redpill

>>55787497
Deflationary money makes for a terrible money. Thats why central banks aim to have inflation between .5 and 1%. Xmr does this naturally.

>>55787152
>>55748657

>>55744764
>i will never understand the obsession of embedding crypto payment into other software. if you want to send crypto to some contact in signal just ask for their address and send the xmr from your wallet.
I agree with you but also I think that with stuff like Apple Pay, the whole text message money transfer thing might be a trend that becomes very ubiquitous in the future. Cryptocurrency should feel like new tech, it should be competing with old money on every level, and if that's something that a majority of people find to be a convenient feature in a messaging app then we should be ahead of the curve.

Having said that, it does feel like putting the cart before the horse. I hardly know many people who know what Signal even is, much less having the desire to download a fork so that they can send monero with it.

>>55787341
>How do I buy anonymously? Is cash by mail actually a good idea?
Cash by mail is commonn but obviously unless you have a very high risk tolerance, you should only do so with smaller amounts you're comfortable losing.

It's not exactly anonymous but you can also use exchanges like TradeOgre that don't have KYC requirements.

>>55787497
>the 21, 000, 000 bitcoin narrative is too good to give up
It isn't though. Not having a fixed supply wasn't a problem for gold for thousands of years. Having a small incentive to secure the network helps keep transaction costs down and helps to replace some of the natural loss that happens from people losing their keys one way or another.

Maybe fixed supply is a good thing if you're trying to pump your speculative investment as high as you can in fiat terms.

>>55788099
It's well known that central banks strive to provide to people the very best money possible

Why can't I send a transactions? Error says I have not got enough money. But I have enogh...

>>55790406
it is known

>>55791094
>>55791102
weird. i think you need to provide more info because my magic ball is having some troubles finding out things you didn't mention.
>did you reconstruct your wallet from your mnemonic seed? if so, did you choose the right height?
>is your balance unlocked? you have to wait 10 confirmations for it to unlock
also wtf, who are you sending all those miserable amounts?

>>55736590
lmao you keep putting her in skimpier outfits every time cause nobody buys your glowcoin

>>55792430

>>55792726
If only someone tweets that image to @IR5 on twatter...

>>55791426
Everything is ok with height, and it is unlocked.
You can see 16 transactions on my screenshot. I just deleted last one, and it worked well. Seems like a bug for 16 transactions. May be, you can try it youself?

>who are you sending all those miserable amounts?
I have my own donation-list. Usually I donate to them. Small amount, but I want them to know, that they are not alone, at least.

And that is my list, at the moment.

>>55793812
that's nice anon, you are a good guy.
about your problem I'm afraid i can't help, post it in the official GUI forum.

>>55736590
Are you guys talking about GucciRolexLambo ticker $Monero?

so you guys still sleeping on zephyr?
I mean it's already taken over 30% of moneros hashrate.. no need to mention the great price action

I don't mean this to antogonize, many miners I know rotate their profits into xmr but last time I mentioned it you guys all called me a jeet

it's essentially haven reborn with djeds protocol instead, 400% overcollaterisation

are you going to wake up?

I'm going to ask again, without a trip code because that one anon got triggered so badly. How much would you perdonally pay for a branding package that includes a logo, biz cards, and style guide?

>>55793977
Personally*

>>55790366
>It isn't though. Not having a fixed supply wasn't a problem for gold for thousands of years
this. the point is that the coin should be scarce. fixed supply is one form of scarcity; an inflation rate that approaches zero over time is another, arguably better one in this context given the tradeoffs involved

>>55793970
You don't need validation if you're truly right about a project. Happy mining and hodling.

>>55793977
You're only as good as your work. You will need to have a portfolio potential clients can view, as well as references so they can verify that you just aren't stealing other's work. Anonymous, trustless work is only feasible if the buyer is confident the product will arrive as ordered. Its up to you to show a body of work that will inspire that confidence. Being savvy with encrypted comms helps.

Be on the lookout for stickers at DEFCON tomorrow :)

>>55796114

Unfathomably based. Monero is a natural fit there.

Infinite supply shitcoin.

>>55797654
thanks for the bump

Comfiest hold

>>55796114
What's that do, glow when it detects nfc?

I support Monero and I denounce the Talmud.

>55800190
this one glows

>>55800580
Yeah it's the devil spammer who was fudding XMR in the other thread, he posts pedo shit into coins he's trying to ruin.
Mods seriously range the pedo fucking poster jfc

>>55800643
oh okay, he's known.

Havent been super active in /XMR/ the last month or two so im out of the loop.

>>55801787
I assume it's him anyway he did the same crap in 2021 fudding coins would start posting borderline CP then screenshotting it saying later
>Ooooh ahhh see they are bad

>>55792430
cry more

>>55792430

>>55802647

How common is for people to self custodial

>>55803810
>thread about to 404
>1pbtid ESL bumps thread at last second
Many such cases

What are the do’s and don’ts when your using monero and how can you avoid getting in trouble

>>55804597

Depends on your threat profile. Be more specific.

>>55804597
>thread about to 404 again
>1pbtid ESL bumps at last second again

>>55738098
this guy seems like he knows about technology and where things are headed
wouldhire/10

Shielded assets are coming to Zcash, this is the killer app that will make ZEC the most advanced privacy chain on the market.

And its currently only $30. Dont miss out on the next big thing!!

at what price should I buy? Below 150?

>>55805750
You want to buy to hodl or to use? If you want to use it then any price is good. If you want to get in just for the gains then i hope you lose all your money

Any anons want to try out simplex.chat?

I created an "xmrgeneral" room there. Click this link to join:

https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FN_McQS3F9TGoh4ER0QstUf55kGnNSd-wXfNPZ7HukcM%3D%40smp19.simplex.im%2F9Y-tdidcRsHX1qRBJxFDro86YzBEUXUw%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAVqtMq0x732bbnBOW6s-9HeBuTbdTxnJAN5JtAWz7b3E%253D%26srv%3Di53bbtoqhlc365k6kxzwdp5w3cdt433s7bwh3y32rcbml2vztiyyz5id.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22jjnjEsuPUdcXdpzU49GlWw%3D%3D%22%7D

Some advantages of simplex:
>no ID, email, phone number required
>can have a random user profile per chat
>can have multiple user profiles on the same client
>can connect to tor hidden service relays on android using Orbot
>everything is end to end encrypted by default

I guess bitshitters have their nostr. Let us MoneroChads colonize SimpleX, then.

>>55736927
Haha, it's a personal thing Roastie, but when it comes to decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency, Monero has been one of my favourites and Sylo when it has to do with privacy protocol. Privacy has become something everyone in the space should take seriously or get fucked.

>>55805750
Yeh 150 might be lowest it goes for awhile or 130 so don’t be retarded with leverage. I suspect next time we pump we break through 170 resistance
>>55806435
I guess this utter favor would prefer to hold USD instead of monero? Lmao enjoy getting money printed on

Hello monerochads, traderfag here. I'm looking to swap btc to xmr for doing a few privacy transactions. What's the standard nowadays to do so? I'd preferrably not use a (centralized) exchange, do I just swap from btc to xmr instantly and transact from there, or should I bridge my btc to wbtc and use uniswap?

>>55807046
atomic swaps lack liquidity.
use either
trocador.app
orangefren.com

or use stackwallet.com 's in-wallet exchange

>>55807058
Thanks friend. I remember atomic swaps being very promising last bullrun, sad that nothing ever came of it. How do you validate the integrity of these swap/exchange providers? While they all look interesting, I've no real indicators to see if a crypto-based exchange is trustable or not.

>>55747594
guess not

>>55807072
>sad that nothing ever came of it
Development is slow and there really is no immediate need for them because of the non kyc coin swap sites you can use. It has immense long term implications though with the idea of building an actual atomic swap into samurai wallet. The current "atomic swaps" is vaporware. It isn't used at all because there is no demand. The coinswap sites already do everything and have extremely easy ux
>How do you validate the integrity of these swap/exchange providers
Buy doing your own research if you don't want to follow some anons advice lol. KYcnot.me is also cool but it's not like there is a rating agency or anything.

Imagine shilling a fucking privacy coin this way.

>>55808410

>>55808410
how unaware can they be

>>55736590
We need some fresh memes on here. Op is a fucking faggot with stale memes.

>>55807001
>Lmao enjoy getting money printed on
Fiat is literally holding it's value better than xmr at the moment

>>55807058
Did anyone here ever have any issues with a "B" rated swap in troc ador.app? Just wanted to avoid any potential trouble before I commit to an exchange.

>>55811618
i've never had any issues. i'd be careful with amount above 0.5 btc though, i've heard that's often the threshold for AML flags

>>55812397
>i'd be careful with amount above 0.5 btc though, i've heard that's often the threshold for AML flags
Thanks. I'm only doing small amounts but I'll keep that in mind if I ever handle larger transactions.

Just got started CPU mining. What should I expect?

Does monero have smart contracts?

>>55814176
>>55814303
>1pbtid VPN fag continuing to bump his dead thread

>>55736590
>splotchy color artifacts
>desaturated
you forgot to use a VAE. also (shiny skin) or gives better results than (wet), since stable diffusion sucks at making water droplets.

I'd consider buying this if it didn't have an infinite supply. Oh well.

>>55814602
Why you keep saying this, I'd buy a 50-100 stack if I had the money and just hold it.
I see you posting this fud a lot thou.

>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman question )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

>>55814602
>I'd consider buying this if it didn't have an infinite supply.

Is Agoradesk safe?

>>55817592
if you don't use paypal and other obvious baits and a little common sense yes it is

>>55814602
The supply grows so slowly though.

>>55736636
What kind of legal risks are involved with running an I2P node on an AWS EC2 instance?

>>55819111
>What kind of legal risks are involved with running an I2P node on an AWS EC2 instance?

There are none.

this general is for life reject autistic asperger schizos who have braindamage in areas responsible for fear processing so they always think some impossible near Godlike entity is out there to get them for their sub $1mil volume a year operation. also all discordfaggots on monerocord need to be hanged publicly especially the genetic morphed failures such as jew who goes by the name Four

Lightning Network has perfect privacy, it records nothing and is literally better than Monero, which uses a blockchain.

>>55820740
reee fucking normies get the fuck out my board!!!

>>55820740
stop posting pictures of yourself online

Can anyone spoonfeed me an up to date Linux mining guide?

>>55821435
Why do maxipads underestimate and ridiculize the importance of privacy when defending their coin with phrases like 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear', and then proceed to create things like ln that focus on privacy?
Also, inside ln your tx might be anonymous but once you close the channel you will no longer be.

>>55821435
>>55748657

Why hashrate dropping ?

Lets say that the US government blacklists a BTC addresses, but one day the US government is no longer a thing. According to Monero maxi's do those coins magically become fungible again or not?

>>55825028
>Thinks the US government dictates economic policy
Despite that fallacy, the entirety of jewry would have to die to allow those tainted coins to be off-ramped back to fiat.

>>55823758
Not My Problem, profits are up.

>>55822464
>Can anyone spoonfeed me an up to date Linux mining guide
KYS.

>>55825229
>off-ramped back to fiat
just admit that you don't give a shit about "fungibility" and your only real concern is de-risking back into fiat. The fucking antithesis of what crypto was created fucking. Fucking pathetic and disgusting.

>>55825267
Bitcoin is a speculation. You're risking having your coins tainted to have your lambo one day. When the time comes, you will offer up said lambo for currency and assets that allows you to avoid the mark of the beast.

Get blocked

>>55817592
Yes it is safe. Just make sure that you buy XMR from people with high reviews.

>>55820740
Who the hell is four!

>>55761594
That sounds quite sensible, you don't want a real currency to just be hopium for retarded gamblers.
But why hasn't it mooned after a bunch of websites adopted it exclusively for private purchases of goods?
t. don't know how any of this shit works

>>55764807
>>55764829
>>55780621
Surprisingly, the general kept itself alive. So welcome to the final edition. This week we read the last part of the book "What Has Government Done to Our Money" discussing an application of the theory laid out in the previous chapters.
The gold standard provided a golden age in the 19th century and one sound money permitted growth on an international scale. While various interventions occurred, the most disastrous event on monetary stability was WW1. It is not often taught in schools, but in order to wage "the Great War" governments abandoned their gold standards and inflated their money. Such that the US only entered at the end, its economy quickly recovered (after the forgotten recession of 1921). In contrast, European countries did not and the post-war period in Europe was that of economic chaos for a while.
From there the concrete economic policy and their failures are discussed. Essentially a series of worse and worse attempts to plan out the economies or to redeem status of countries. The most important thing of note is how exchange ratios, debt, and foreign aid/investment were (and are) used to create deficits which has decimated exports under a protectionist agenda. While the fears of a one world bank did not come true, the threat of CBDCs now looms above our head.

It has been a pleasure reading this book with you guys. Also congratulations, because you now have a better understanding of the economy than most people. So to answer the questions from the begging in the most concise way possible.
Money is a medium of exchange. It arises through a individuals choosing the best commodity available for their transactions. Governments undermine money by inflating its supply to finance their activities. Monero is money, possibly the best one yet. CEXs, CBDCs, and legally compliant development are the ways digital money is undermined.

So anon, what is your perspective on the book? You can comment even if you have not finished.

>>55825693
Also, I'd presume that there are people interested into delving more into Austrian Economics after this. So the following is a list of books that are outside of the scope of this general that you might find interesting. (Going by increasing page count and difficulty)
>Anatomy of the State by Murray N. Rothbard
https://cdn.mises.org/Anatomy+of+the+State_3.pdf
>Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
https://github.com/PSCSeifu/TheLibrary/blob/master/Henry%20Hazlitt%20Economics%20in%20One%20Lesson%20(1).pdf
>Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig von Mises
https://cdn.mises.org/Economic%20Calculation%20in%20the%20Socialist%20Commonwealth_Vol_2_3.pdf
>A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
https://cdn.mises.org/Theory%20of%20Socialism%20and%20Capitalism,%20A_4.pdf
>Man, Economy, and State with Power and Market by Murray N. Rothbard
https://cdn.mises.org/man_economy_and_state_with_power_and_market_3.pdf

>>55825660
>But why hasn't it mooned after a bunch of websites adopted it exclusively for private purchases of goods?

"mooning" isn't normal out in the real world, promising assets typically appreciate over time absent some kind of organized price manipulation.

Basically, sound investing = boring. The exciting rollercoaster shit you see in the clownworld crypto casino is a huge red flag.

>>55808410
Omegakek

>>55736590
Cleanest way to go from XMR to BTC? I don't even wanna deal with making an account. I just have a bunch of monero and need to renew my 4chan pass kek

>>55828145

https://trocador.app/en/

>>55816983
What’s so bad about having an infinite supply everyone gets to eat right?

What do you guys think about monerotopia and how’s monero looking so far in the future ?

Infinte supply = infinite supply = infinite supply no matter how you try to justify it.

>>55829321
Don't be a spastic, retard.

>>55829321
Don't be a retard, spastic.

I don't live in the US, but taxes are still a nuisance, and I have some money in other crypto assets. Monero won't moon, it's not supposed to, I understand that. However, if I want to "de-risk" crypto assets which *are* otherwise volatile (bitcoin uncertainty, etc.) without going directly to fiat, is Monero appropriate as a value storage medium in light of otherwise insane inflation and taxation issues? To be more specific;
Fiat Currency A -> Volatile Crypto Asset -> (Time passes, assets appreciate) -> Monero -> (Time passes, assets remain stable) -> Fiat Currency B.
Is this viable?

>>55830048
Well you know there is no such thing as a store of value, but products that best mantain their value over time are products that have constant demand, in this case xmr is being used to satisfy a need that no other coin can, black markets. Even if its a small market, its enough to keep xmr price stable.
Watch out for bubbles, they will still occur.
I wouldnt put my savings on btc, i feel that shit is going back to 10k at anytime.

>>55736590
Monero will become the next Bitcoin

>>55831255
I really hope not

>>55736590
What's the minimum amount of XMR to make it?

>>55831299
69

>>55830048
>Monero won't moon, it's not supposed to, I understand that.

No crypto is supposed to moon, that's where fraud and price manipulation come in.

https://vexl.it/

I haven't seen anyone here mention this yet and I figured you guys would be extremely interested. Read it with an open mind and think about the implications of this. The fundamental principles can be applied to many things. It's open source btw!

>>55833523

Sir, this is the Monero General.

>>55736590
The only coin which you can actually do shit with

Um sweetie, did you know that monero is...LE BAD??!? what is the point of this general? Are you guys terrorists?

>>55838105
yes, financial terrorists

>>55825028
Learn what fungibility means you dumb nigger.
Bitcoin can never be fungible under any circumstances because you are able to discriminate between them.

>>55838125
>financial terrorists

Inshallah, brother.

>>55838125

So can anybody actually provide proof that the devs arent exploiting that inflation bug I heard about?

>>55839257
only after you provide proof for the inflation bug you heard about

>>55839257
>So can anybody actually provide proof that the devs arent exploiting that inflation bug I heard about?

What happens to the price when there is an overabundance of supply?

>>55738125
>zindians

>>55828259
Well..well..well....

>>55843511
>>zindians

What is it with Zcash and village feeders?

>>55843642
Greed

Sup xmr bros. I used to onramp fiat to kraken then buy xrp to send to kucoin and trade for xmr and send it to my friends.
now kucoin is cucked I guess.
I know I can just buy xmr on kraken but I'd rather not buy xmr on a kyc exchange.
which non kyc exchange has the highest volume or enough to not lose too much, if I were to keep my routine of sending xrp (or any cheap fast coin) then sell for btc or whatever to get my xmr?

>>55844635
use swaps like changenow or swap aggregators like trocador.app. bonus points for using trocador's onion service.

>>55844635
is the FBI going to knock on my door for buying directly on kraken

>>55844881
the irs might assert you are dodging capi gains. better to get stablecoin from a ramp & use an offshore swapper to hop into xmr. might also want to segregate EVM addresses with BIP39 passphrases to frustrate & confuse the blockchain analbois. You can get usdc on cornbase fee free.

>>55814602
This also applies to eth
>inb4 no no ether is different you guys because it just is ok

>>55844759
>>55845137
How much loss is expected using trocador.app? like slippage or exchanges fees and what have ya.
I think I'd still want to send to a non kyc first before I did a swap which then makes it redundant for me as I'm going to pass it thru a couple different xmr wallets, namean bruh?
if I sent to troca from kraken that looks sussy, unless I'm missing something here. I don't have control over what party it uses so it could set off something at kraken.
anyways while we're chatting I just bought and gotta buy again tmr cuz the post office closed and I use ipp (in person pmts)in cash (i know i know im sending to a kyc anyway)
yous guys think i should I hold off because of the burry fud shaking some weak hands or do you think its the usual midweek dip opportunity?
I'm sure you've gleaned I'm not holding for long so no zoom out needed.
tia

If i invest will monerochan sit on my face?

>>55736590
>this thread is almost two weeks old

>>55846904
Your mom's prolapsed anus is almost 2 months old.
why you hating on the monero bros. they've consistently kept to themselves, for the most part, in monero generals for years.

>>55736590
why does that image looks so dull and dark

Why arent my coins showing up in my wallet?

>>55848828
Lemme just check on the on-chain data for it.

299!

I feel like the last 50 of these threads languish because no one wants to post anything important in a dying thread.

>>55849038
What is there to talk about?
It's not like there are new dev updates, new DMs, news articles... it's same old, buy it, use it, sell it.

Hi guys I'm rather new to this; I'm trying to start mining, but im not sure what failed to apply msr mod means ;-; help plz (also how do i enable opencl and cuda)

>>55736590
What steps can I take to make a drug purchase as private as posible?

>>55847026
It makes you think "I can fix her."

If only landlords accepted monero

>>55850000
>mining quads of justice
try running it with administrative rights -
use sudo for elevated privileges if using Linux, if using Windows right click > run as Administrator

>>55850000
oh, and as for OpenCL and CUDA - I would suggest researching online for how to enable them ONLY IF you want to do it as a learning exercise. Otherwise, GPU mining Monero does not make much sense as the algorithm is optimized for CPU mining and your hashrate will be incredibly low.

Question for Monerochads, do you leave your funds on the crypto exchange or do you use the Monerujo wallet?

>>55853015
not your keys, not your crypto. Leaving anything on an exchange is lending your belongings to someone for free and praying nothing bad happens to it, while receiving little to no benefit for doing so.

>>55849596

That's a pretty doomer attitude. XMR in it's design should be used for creating things. Especially those not easy or possible in the current paradigm. DMs are coming online now featuring new XMR capabilites never thought possible. New media is coming out as a counter culture. XMR should be the USD of the Counter Culture and we should be figuring out how to do that and building rather than moon wen?

>EU to ban Monero and Zcash

https://youtu.be/p84VZFoT_G4

Will the price of Monero skyrocket like the price of alcohol during the prohibition era?

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I have a Microsoft surface laptop I don’t use, how much can I expect to make if anything by mining monero?