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START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Buy books with XMR
https://monerobookstore.com/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Archetyp
>ASAP
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>HighSupply #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/n5tGcLQP


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

>>55673625
this has to be devastating for bitshits

I see total collapse of bitshit at 2028, signs of weakness will emerge before then

>>55673576
Is it silver? Where to buy? Monero and silver are my 2 favorite things

Woods schizo here, I'd make a thread but I'd probably just get 20 shitcoin shill replies
How feasible is mining xmr (or any coin) using a phone Hotspot on a chromebook. No bully please. I never mined before because I fell for the "don't bother unless you are Chinese bot farm" meme

>>55673576
How likely is it that monero will moon (like 20-40x from its current price) in 10 years? I am thinking of purchasing 30k worth of monero. My gamble is the gov will introduce central bank digital currency. People who value privacy and independence will scramble and this will drive the price of monero up a lot.

Of course it could also decimate it and that’s a gamble I’m willing to take because I don’t care

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The Greatest Pirate Radio Show and Friend of XMR!

>>55673708
>Is it silver?

Yes.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458001.0

>>55673736
>How likely is it that monero will moon (like 20-40x from its current price) in 10 years?

Monero will 100x next Thursday.

>>55673802
Are you sure?

>>55673576
Usually it's simply "libero" and imo it would sound better, though "libereco" is correct too.

>>55673828
>Are you sure?

you fucking bloody asshole basterd bitch put monero chan in OP!!!!!!!!!

>>55673726
It is feasable; however, mining on chrome OS is not viable. Needless to say, you will not be profitable with the mining hardware. You could utilize solar to (theoretically) have "free" electricity. It is highly recommended and greatly encouraged to have the blockchain downloaded and utilize p2pool for pool mining if not wanting to gamble your hashing. As you will be using a hotspot, your data plan will run up fast. If you have an "unlimited" plan that throttles your hotspot speed, you should be fine.

All in all, the best way to anonymously obtain monero is via mining. A chromebook has piss poor specs and cooling capacity but will still mine regardless. A hotspot will work given it has unlimited data.

>>55674117
Thank you for reply. Yes unlimited data and wonky harbor freight solar panels and one of those portable batteries from Walmart. Hard jank but I'm definitely interested in trying it out. I watched the video in OP and will give it a shot sometime soon

>Welcome to the /XMR/ General opsec discussion!
Here to spread opsec topics, tips and tools in the hope that we can
increase the level of basic opsec knowledge among the XMR community.
>Previous discussions
PGP - pastebin.com/K5uK4vvg
File Verification - pastebin.com/64jdYSua
Compartmentalization - pastebin.com/fduPVLmV
Case File Reading - pastebin.com/6Jgr2zsL
Virtual Private Networks - pastebin.com/FDA85DMV

Don't nullify the benefits of using the worlds premier privacy cryptocurrency by
failing to follow simple opsec procedures! Thank you for reading and as always
your suggestions for future topics, comments and shitposts are appreciated!
>OpsAnon's public key - pastebin.com/kiEVscyb

>>55673750
Based captain, the king of the 8 seas sails with monero lads!

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>55673726
Hotspot is doable, provided the reception is good. Mining doesn't eat too much bandwidth if you mine to a pool. You need desktop cpus to make anything real, right now its about .02/kh/day and only desktop cpus can be revenue neutral. Unless its a newer model you will only make about a nickel a day. Best of luck if you're just wanting to turn nickels into something long term, if you're looking for short term gains just swap with fiat at localmonero.

Reporting in
##################################
Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
##################################
Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>55674178

Unfathomably based.

i wish more people would use monero irl. the only ones i know who own monero just hoard it. oh well. at least they're exposed to it.

>>55676470
Our network effect is slower than bitcoin, i suppose we can simply make business that already accept bitcoin accept xmr

>>55675748
Muh premined coin with a cucked ceo with backdoors thank you fbi for this honeypot

>>55676514
nobody uses bitcoin for remittances anymore because of fees. most people use litecoin instead. monero is just harder to acquire. i guess people don't care about crypto enough to leave the safety of centralized exchanges. all i can do is hope they will learn.

>>55673576

why do cryptotards make real coins to sell imaginary virtual coins? is it an unconscious urge to make something fake look physical? it has always amused me.

Threadly reminder that the /XMR/ bookclub is back again. The current read is "What Has Government Done to Our Money" by Murray N. Rothbard. The chapters up for reading are the 1-2, "Introduction & Money in a free society", which discuss what is money, why does it exist, what is good money, and how does it function in a free society.

We'll be discussing the chapter's contents this Sunday (30h of July). So grab a copy over at
>https://xmrbookclub.neocities.org/What%20Has%20Government%20Done%20to%20Our%20Money_3.pdf
>https://mises.org/library/what-has-government-done-our-money

Is there a way we can >>55673593
compress these posts so they don't require scrolling meters on the page to read the fresh content
You could click bottom with 4chanx but surely a lot of this information can be put in a pastebin
Have a lovely day

new pictures would be nice too

>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman question )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

Are anybody working on combining Monero with Activitypub?

If that becomes possible it will be game over for the taxman!

>>55677430
there's this guy: https://monerochan.news/article/11#heading

We need to support these sorts of initiatives

>>55677293
I want a monerochan that looks like picrelated
>>55677468
based!

>>55675748
>>55675739
Hello shill.

>>55673726
>Woods schizo
>phone hotspot
>chromebook

>>55674117
>All in all, the best way to anonymously obtain monero is via mining. A chromebook has piss poor specs and cooling capacity but will still mine regardless. A hotspot will work given it has unlimited data.

If this is true, than what are the costs with a fleet of optimized cloud (azure, AWS, or GPC) computers with mining? Would be nice to know the cost of running one of these cost effective cloud solutions which you can spin up 100 or 10,000 instances of to get the desired amount of xmr. These cloud instances should be optimized for xmr's ASIC resistance nature by default

>>55679407
Yes? I leave the woods to use Hotspot and chromebook goofball. Show me your uncle ted setup

>>55680198
Not sure but I think those companies have policies that restrict mining on their hardware.

>>55677288
Agreed, some of the informational posts are good but would be better if the bulk was in a pastebin link with an intro message in the post. That way earlier posts don't get lost in the text walls so much

>>55680438
>>55677288
cope and seethe

>>55680845
You can at least condense the verbal diarrhea into a firm, shapely turd, for example:

>START MINING IN P2POOL
P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but also receive regular payouts. Plus, once P2Pool captures the majority of the Monero hash rate, Monero will be immune to 51% attacks.

P2Pool is permissionless, it can't be moderated, blocked, or shut down since it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero.

>GUPAX MAKES P2POOL MINING EASY https://gupax.io/guide

>OR MINE WITH P2POOL FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET
https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

>ADDITIONAL MINING GUIDES
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

>note: xmrig is auto-flagged by most antivirus programs, so you will have to add an exception

>>55681110
for example, it's easier for a new user to read the post uncondensed, in its full form, and to absorb all the important information all out in the open

instead of having to sift through multiple links

the fact that you're seething so hard at this and having to scroll for 2 seconds shows me you're a low effort shill

kill yourself immediately

>>55681131
You're just not very good at writing.

>>55680845
Awfully defensive about that aren't you? When I post the opsec discussion I put them in pastebins for the reasons i mentioned but go off I guess

>>55677288
>>55680438

>Plz make mission-critical information and the cold hard truth about BTC's fraudulent price action more difficult for users to discover.

t. totally not a seething maxipad.

>>55681155
>>55681159
who's the one being a little faggot in here trying to cause dissent and pointless arguments, literally just scroll past it like everyone else and shut up, or go back to the xrp general, seethe shill

>>55681176
>more difficult
I've never had the stamina to read through the entirety of your word salad. Most newcomers won't either. It's information overload, with all the key points about Monero buried within paragraph after paragraph of text. You're the one making discovery more difficult, especially since you flip out at the slightest questions or suggestions.

>>55681202
most people see it as incredibly relevant and important, and it directly points to the downfall of your bitshit

kys shill, your game is done, it's over, you lost

>>55681181
>xrp general
Huh? I literally contribute by writing the opsec discussions. And yes I'm Id hopping right now because I'm phonefagging at work. Again, not sure why you're so defensive over a suggestion.

>>55681223
you're a low effort shill, please kill yourself immediately, you have no presence here

>>55681215
>>55681232
I'm convinced your're a fed, planted here to make Monero users look retarded and scare off any newcomers.

>>55681267
you want to suppress important information on the monero general behind links instead of having it easily digestible by anyone who enters the thread

you are a shill, you apparently have never been to xmr generals because they've been like this for atleast a year or 2, and all you have to do is scroll past it, it doesn't even enter anyone's mind who actually frequents the general

you are a shill faggot, and you will die a painful death, which you deserve

>>55681202

>Most newcomers won't either. It's information overload

Yes, that's exactly why curious newcomers visit this General, to avoid being overwhelmed with relevant information.


>You're the one making discovery more difficult

lol says the one trying to get key XMR info moved away into an easily overlooked Pastebin link

You're probably that salty maxipad from a couple of Generals ago that was trying to get the default BTC post removed.

>>55681314
I have made the suggestion several times, same as the opsec guy, and several other guys over the last couple years. There's no need to freak out over a suggestion to make the OP easier to read.

>>55681377
take all the information and put it in links so people can't read it makes it easier to read

you're a pathetic shill, die in a fire

>>55681394
I didn't even say to put it in a pastebin, that was the other guy, I just said to rewrite it a little to be less verbose and easy to get the key points.

>>55681399
all of the information is important, it seems you want to minimize that, and seethe about it

>>55681406
Look here >>55681110 it gives you the gist of why P2POOL is good (full control, 51% attack prevention, regular payouts) in a single sentence, then provides the guides if people want to pursue it.

Non-autists don't handle tons of information well, they want to get the main point right away, and if they're interested, they'll do more research (which is provided). You don't have to spoonfeed them like they're idiots, that just turns normal people off.

>>55681434
you don't know shit, you're an annoying faggot, now begone

>>55681444
You're either psycho or a fed plant or both.

>>55681454
keep seething

>>55675748
>private
>certified for AML

only in the head of a Zcash salesman

I find the OP posts pretty useful as a quick n dirty resource. Also, 4chanX makes the links clickable, which isn't possible on pastebin, you'd have to start manually copying and pasting them one by one into the browser, so fuck that.

>>55681267
Yeah, this >>55681232 retardation glows. I have much better things to do than argue about something this stupid with someone so irrational.
>>55677311
Checked and based.

Monerujo users I have some questions.
How's the system of paying people in other currencies? Is it any fast and reliable?
I was planning on using it with some chumps that still use Bitcoin, but I'm pretty sure they're using lightning network. Would it still work?

>>55681131
>having to scroll for 2 seconds
actually more like 10 seconds
and if you scroll too fast everyone who posts first gets ignored as you scroll by their posts

>>55681176
if you wanted to make that easier to discover you would just put the info in an image like this
>0.87%

>>55682436
Monerujo uses sideshift to transfer to btc addresses but I think it would only convert to native BTC, not the LN IOU or whatever

>>55682506
>if you wanted to make that easier to discover you would just put the info in an image like this

Excellent idea, everybody knows how fun it is having to manually type URLs into a browser!

>>55682595
4chan.org/biz/xmr
try that one granny

>>55673576
Until there are decentralized banks crypto will never be fully anonymous. All if these sites requires photo verification even no KYC they need your picture.

Show me an all anonymous way to buy, sell and deposit and withdraw crypto then maybe there's something to this. As of now it's a pseudo anonymous jewish ponzi scheme.

>>55676470
Processing fees and premiums will never make crypto viable.

>>55683289
Localmonero cash by mail

>>55683297
Thats not anonymous and is not a probable solution at scale dumbfuck

>>55683398
I love the sound of glownigger seething.

>>55683289
>decentralized banks

>>55681663
>>55682493
cope, nope 2 seconds tops

>>55683787
every one of those post is like double reddit spaced

>>55681663
also my impression, the blue id poster is extremely retarded

>>55684048
It might be OP, but it might also be that freak who has spent the last couple years larping as various anons, spamming reports from him numerous VPNs to get them autobanned, generally fucking shit up.

>>55680265
Real uncle ted enjoyers have slow ass satellite. Easily relocatable, good enough download and low upload speeds guarantee that even if a glowie wants something, he would have to wait a long time to get it. Alternatively, using something like a JS8call to internet bridge would, in theory, give you 2g like speeds and complete anonymity over HF.

Alternatively, you can get a hiboost lte range extender, but since hotspots have a "please rape me in the ass glownigger" gps chip in them, you could be found easily. In any case, good luck.

>>55682525

LN ftw

Have any of you actually tried using LN? Fully private with instant transfers and negligible fees, blows Monero out of the water.

>>55685193
Sure man, I'm open to trying the LN (Bitcoin Lightning Network) ! Which DNM accepts the LN as payment method for a quick test?

>>55685450
Why would you want to buy drugs? Drugs are poison.

>>55685193
>"hey goys, have you tried using paypal 2.0? it blows monero out of the water!"

I have to say bitcoiners are fucking faggots, for example every retarded salvadorian that uses bitcoin either uses the chivo wallet which is custodial garbage, its basically a cbdc and the bitcoin beach wallet which i think the source code is semicustodial or i don't know.

Basically bitcoiners are fucking retarded, every single one of them trying to teach people how to use bitcoin failed because in the end they are using a fucking cbdc, maxis are retarded luddites that were sucessfull at making normies slaves to the state

>>55686328
Even if they weren't NGU retards, you just can't make btc work no matter the mental gymnastics.
The fees, the surveillance, the centralization, amount of moneyhungry hyenas selling your their L2s...

>>55686358
I feel its just we are like a very small group, i love to participate in discussions and some of them really have good intentions but overall they are fucking retarded and they have abandoned the cypherpunk principles, i would want to understand why they don't implement bulletproofs or easy tech that would be easy to copy from monero but they are fucking retards that in their quest for decentralization abandoned the principles of valid money, privacy is required in this digital dystopia and the fucking retards don't care about the fact all their atms are surveilance garbage, slow as shit, garbage complexity in layer2, i would like to compare the resilience of the network and the decentralization of bitcoin vs monero in terms of full nodes but i have to be honest i am fucking dissapointed how by conceding principles they have become another cbdc.

>>55686328
your feminine crying gives me energy
nothing i like seeing more that desperate poor shitcoiners cry all day long because they missed out on just being early.

Wha

I’m not a maxi but I do like Monero’s tech and DCA into the coin

>>55686553
I have equal ammount of bitcoin as monero however its true as money bitcoin is garbage and that fact alone means unless it fixes its problem the numbers go up meme will stagnate its growth into a sigmoid curve

>>55685193
>Have any of you actually tried using LN?

We might've if LN wasn't already DOA on the darknet lol

>>55686627
>I have equal ammount of bitcoin as monero

I'm actually impressed by how people can do this, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing the BTC I hold is being propped up essentially by fraud and FOMO since neither can last indefinitely.

Meanwhile, being all in on Monero = sleep like a baby, there's just something so soothing about knowing that right now, somewhere, there's a shipment of Colombian cocaine bricks headed for Europe that was paid for with XMR, and that many, many more such shipments are due in future.

>>55680198
Can someone answer this? Jannie stop shitposting your retarded recycled memes.
https://gist.github.com/le-dawg/32960d2df31ca219a2f98b8c95b7be89

>>55687950
i can have the same with litecoin mweb and i wont have to wait 30 minutes to sync my wallet. You cant track this shit either.

I'm thinking off having a laptop just for my monero I have a few already any recommendations?

>>55689384
All Monero are the same anon. You can own any of them without differentiation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5rtd3md11g

CipherTrace's Monero tracing tool - Chat with Dave Jevans, Dr. Sarang Noether, and Justin Ehrenhofer

>>55689384
most any laptop will do because it doesn't take much to just check a balance. I'd recommend replacing whatever hard drive is in it and reinstalling a better OS. Don't have to get nuts if you dont want to, ubuntu should suffice.

dont forget to write down your sneed phrase

>>55689406
>CipherTrace's Monero tracing tool - Chat with Dave Jevans, Dr. Sarang Noether, and Justin Ehrenhofer

Ah, CipherTrace's legendary crystal ball hahahahaha

Too bad for him that ring signatures are getting ditched.

>>55689406
Isn't this the interview with the infamous
>I'm not the math guy
quote?

>>55689526
>quote
"I'm not the math guy"

>>55688081
Also for me knowing bitcoin has no usecase, other than hoping that fraud will continue pumping it, it's one of the worst holds

>>55689384
>a laptop just for my monero
all devices are backdoored either way so it doesn't matter
>he doesn't know about le IME & PSP

>>55683914
keep seething newfag

>>55684048
1pbtid

seethe

>>55684570
you're retarded

>>55689784
Why do you come into every XMR general and make monero threads outside of XMR and post the woods schizo?
I don't even own any crypto but just lurking I see a pattern with you and it's weird.

>>55689844
>why do you make monero threads and advocate for self sufficiency including building hydroelectric dams to mine xmr

because it's based, brah

>>55689844
If it is the psycho anon, here's a rundown on him
https://archived.moe/biz/thread/55651838

>>55689844
>OP admitted it the other day he spams/doxes/scams so he can "manipulate the market"
He's a massive bobo faggot who thinks he can control shit, notice on btc dumping days his spam turns into gloating instead it's clockwork and it's the same nigger who's been spamming/fudding all coins doesn't even matter he gets off on causing harm to others simple as.
>His latest victim is the woods anon because he's engaging with him.

>>55689957
>>55689984
you guys are literally feds inventing a fanfiction, I post west virginia properties and other rural properties, and I love xmr

are you mad bro

>>55689844
>OP admitted it the other day he spams/doxes/scams so he can "manipulate the market"
>He's a massive bobo faggot who thinks he can control shit, notice on btc dumping days his spam turns into gloating instead it's clockwork and it's the same nigger who's been spamming/fudding all coins doesn't even matter he gets off on causing harm to others simple as.
>His latest victim is the woods anon because he's engaging with him.

>>55690003
go back to the xrp general, they need your schizophrenic powers there

I post threads about buying rural property and building hydro electric dams to mine xmr, and I also post here

are you mad,

you seem mad


bro

>>55690002
So you're the one behind the dozens and dozens of "huehue why is everyone complaining about housing, just buy land in Flint Michigan" threads?

>>55690018
no, that's someone else, I say buy rural land, like in west virginia or alaska, flint is a city shithole

>>55690031
that's cool, that I can agree with, though I doubt building a hydroelectric dam for monero mining would be cost effective, especially on the small stream depicted

>>55690041
that stream isn't small at all, people have generated enough energy to run their house off far smaller than that

the key is being prepared for when the fiat system collapses and the normies discover what xmr really means

bitcoin is on a track of planned obsolescence, that leaves, fedcoin, gold and silver, xmr left standing

everyone will hate fedcoin, even corporations etc, obviously the people will rebel

silver and gold take more time and energy to exchange but will be useful, and then xmr is the replacement for fedcoin and all digital currencies

>>55690031
a) there are no jobs to be had in those places
b) pictured house is probably a company house, i.e. a cheap piece of shit that was never taken care of, sits on 1/10 of an acre, in a dead coal town, so the land is worthless and the area is not actually rural at all

RURAL property in overcrowded WV is not cheap unless you're comparing it to prices in NY and LA

>>55690003
kek that was me who said that.
yeah blue ID is the board schizophrenic scammer.

>>55690106
I saw a guy who had a series of pipes routing water downhill from a stream to build up pressure, then feeding it into a turbine. No dam necessary, which you probably couldn't do anyways due to lack of water rights over the stream.

>>55690106
You run psyops on a dead board you literally no absolutely nothing but try to ruin others lives you've done a bang up job on mine and kept me from getting needed help for years.

Why do you spend so much time ruining this board if you focused 1/10th of that energy on yourself you would have made it by now.

>>55690134
jobs are anywhere the internet is and are based on your ingenuity, maybe other people see money where you don't, good luck finding a cheaper starter house, that isn't in the congo

>>55690173
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVoeaKCEd2o

>which you probably couldn't do

says who, in the end times water rights are conveyed to whoever has physical access and physical control over the land, "rights" be damned, the government is in a protracted state of death

>>55690213
I love xmr and you're a stupid fedposting faggot

>>55688081
based take, just wish we would not rely just on cocaine, but also on weapons, oil and gold trade, then I would sleep like 10000 babies

>>55690240
>fedposting
You've spent over 800 days trying to ruin peoples lives here, you get off on the thought of other people killing themselves, you spend 9-12 hours a day spamming this board and haven't taken a day break, you use proxies to avoid range bans, you shit on everyone everywhere, you will take pictures of peoples faces and pretend its yourself, you took a picture of my cat while I was having a discussion about pets and made a thread using proxies to samefag and claimed he died and you tried to get money for my cat who was alive, his name is Fatboy I know you remember.
>I'm a fed
Fucking laughable you're either paid by the government to post or worse you're a schizophrenic who probably jerks off to murder porn.
You run rugpulls here infact right now he's claiming to run a presale that supposedly has 900k invested into it out of 1.9m lol this faggot lies and expects you guys to throw him 2m while he tears this board down daily.

If I ask for 5k he will mass report me with 50 proxies then post 5 presale scams.

>>55690247
glowies need xmr to trade missiles and nuclear weapons

>>55690290
image for ants, fed posting, creating fanfiction

seethe, kys

>>55690303
wen nuclear weapon trade?

>>55690003
>victim
He hurt me bros

>>55690311
You're a lucky motherfucker the 2021/2022 archives are fucked on Warosu anyone got a better archive or did all that data get whitewashed?
Also interested during the height of scams run/operated here all that data got whitewashed.

>>55690373
archived.moe is more complete

>>55690419
Hrm thank you, god damn it's slow.

All the "catposting" and "wagie hate" threads are this faggot btw he started the catposting spam after he tried using my pictures to run scams on you guys, after that he spent 9 months spamming catpictures 8 hours a day and still does it although he switched to scamming again once he thought he ran me out of here.

>>55690247
>just wish we would not rely just on cocaine, but also on weapons, oil and gold trade,

The transatlantic cocaine trade is just the seed that will bloom into a thriving criminal circular economy. Remember that XMR enthusiasts the 'Ndrangheta (#1 cocaine importers into Europe) are into waaaaay more shady shit than just coke and narcotics:

>Its main activity is drug trafficking, on which it has a near monopoly in Europe, but it also deals with arms trafficking, money laundering, racketeering, extortion, loan sharking, and prostitution. The 'Ndrangheta enjoys a privileged relationship with the main South American cartels, which consider it their most reliable European partner.

>It is capable of heavily influencing local and national politics and infiltrating large sectors of the legal economy. In 2013 they purportedly made €53 billion, according to a study from Demoskopika Research Institute. A US diplomat estimated that the organization's drug trafficking, extortion and money laundering activities accounted for at least three percent of Italy's GDP in 2010.

If they're already using XMR to buy cocaine from narco cartels then there's no reason they wouldn't also start using it for their other dealings as well, providing it proves equally advantageous for them. We're talking multiple BILLIONS of dollars worth of XMR liquidity here. And as far as the recipients are concerned, why cash all that out when you can just turn around and use it to pay for other crime-related goods & services? Why ever exit a truly untraceable payment system? There's nothing prosecutors love more than an incriminating financial paper trail.


So yeah, it starts with cocaine but it will end up with transnational criminal syndicates building strategic XMR reserves.

>>55690324
10 years

>>55690373
>>55690419
>>55690514
I post the west virginia threads, the rural real estate threads, the hydro electric xmr mine threads and that is the extent of my thread posting

any other retarded fednigger shit you want to attribute to me is a lie, kill yourself

>>55690575
no, kill yourself, cats are faggots

>>55682525
Anyone ran into the issue where their sideshift API fails?

>>55676896
Sadly this particular design is not even a real round, my fellow schizo nazi. Just some 3d printing or something.

I'd lurked for 1 oz monero rounds to buy after I saw OP image but they all are shit.

>>55691745
Ask the guys on PMG to have a die made. Though they'd need to know it'd be worth their while.

>>55691530
I'm not familiar with side shift but this is from their documentation

>Receiving support from SideShift.ai
In case something goes wrong with the user's shift, they can receive support from SideShift.ai through help@sideshift.ai. To receive support, users should send their shiftId in the support email. The shiftId is returned when creating a shift using the /shifts/fixed or /shifts/variable endpoint.

Alternatively users can navigate to https://sideshift.ai/orders/ and send a message through the chatbox in the bottom right. This way the shiftId will be automatically appended to the message.

To ensure that users receive support as fast as possible, it is recommended for integrations to either display a link to the SideShift.ai order page or prepopulate the email template with the users shiftId.

Bump

>seraphis
>jamtis
>full membership proofs

>>55691374
>lies lies lies
>but believe this one
Perpetual liars like yourself literally can't say the truth when you adopt a mindset like yours you only work in deception and therefor it's the same reason everyone hates you IRL and you have to resort to scamming people here
"evilpepe"
i know exactly who you are you latvia fucking gypsy.

Fedimints will be the Bitcoin privacy solution that finally renders Monero obsolete. Screencap this and then go look it up yourselves.

https://cryptoadventure.com/what-is-fedimint-the-custody-solution-to-bitcoin-privacy/

>If we make another layer, this will definitely, surely fix Bitcoin's glaring issues!
The absolute state of Bitcoin maxis is getting sadder by the day. I can only wonder how heavy their bags really are.

does anyone know the @ of the guy on twitter with the xmr hand tat? i used to talk to him forever ago when i still had twitter, but i totally forget his username.

Would I have to pay taxes from trading xmr to fiat with other people in large amounts? asking for a friend

Can we build like a market or emails or social media on top of xmr

>>55673769
umm i think ill pass

>>55695585
>build like a market
What is Moneromarket or DN markets?
>or emails or social media on top of xmr
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean

>>55673576
Picked up a bunch of GPUs for the low
What should I mine? Solo? Pool? Fairly new to all this
Asking here as you've been helpful before

>>55696262
Although you can mine on nvidea GPUs, the performance and energy efficiency SUCKS compared to mining on modern CPUs. Thats because the mining algorithm was specifically designed to be CPU only

>>55696262
you can't mine random x with gpus. it would be a waste of resources
you can use the monero ocean algo switcher. so you won't be mining monero directly but you will be paid in Monero.

>>55696590
Okay. Any coins to look out for? I have a Ryzen something-or-other I could burn, as well. Is Monero the most profitable CPU coin?

>>55673576
yooo..

>>55696852
month old news

>>55696902
I only use monero to buy drugs so I’m not up to date
they’re gonna do this I’ve every cex, is there any dex for monero?

>>55696920
>is there any dex for monero?

There are 2 that are about to launch. Haveno is already live on testnet.

did every dark net market go down? been out of it since 2018

>>55697236
What’s the other one?
>>55697295
nah, at least not four months ago or so

>>55697338
I found a site but it looks sketchy as hell, no venders have reviews. Any you recommend?
Also, holy shit Google search has fallen off a cliff

>>55697401
Check onion.live -> markets

>>55697295
Not at all, check the verified list Daunt on Dread

>>55697411
>>55697423
thanks patriots

>>55697453
hey that’s my photo!

Suppose that you are an astronaut whose spaceship gets out of control and crashes on an unknown planet. When you regain consciousness and discover that you are not hurt badly, the first three questions on your mind would be
>Where am I?
>How can I discover it?
>What should I do?

You see unfamiliar vegetation outside, and there is air to breathe; the sunlight seems paler than you remember it and colder. You turn to look at the sky, but stop. You are struck by a sudden feeling: if you do not look, you won't have to know that you are, perhaps, too far from Earth and no return is possible: so long as you don't know it, you are free to believe whatever you wish - and you experience a foggy, pleasant, but somehow guilty, kind of hope.

You turn to your instruments: they may be damaged, you don't know how seriously. But you stop, struck by a sudden fear: how can you trust these instruments? How can you know they won't mislead you? How can you know whether they will work in a different world? You turn away from your instruments.

Now you begin to wonder why you have no desire to do anything. It seems so much safer to wait for something to turn up somehow; it is better, you tell yourself, to not rock the spaceship. Far in the distance, you see living creatures approaching; you don't know whether they are human, but they walk on two feet. They, you decide, will tell you what to do.

You are never heard from again.

This is fantasy, you say? That you would not act like that and no astronaut ever would? Perhaps not. But this is the way most men live their lives, here, on Earth. Most men spend their days trying to evade three questions, the answers to which underlie man's every thought, feeling, and action, whether he is consciously aware of it or not.
>Where am I?
>How do I know it?
>What should I do?

>>55697649
By the time they are old enough to understand the questions, men believe that they know the answers. Where am I? Say, in New York City. How do I know it? It is self-evident. What should I do? Here, they are not too sure - but the usual answer is: whatever everybody does. The only trouble seems to be that they are not very active, not very confident, not very happy - and they experience, at times, a causeless fear and an undefined guilt, which they cannot explain or get rid of.

They have never discovered the fact that the trouble comes from the three unanswered questions - and that there is only one science that can answer them - philosophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXtS4FpW3mM

>>55676896
I understand you. But, as a practical idea is a good one to trade coins offline. not all that bad.
But yea, normies 3 eye of Venus is closed to the spiritual world, so they can only perceive material objects, they have no concept of ideas and shapes as virtual entities

>>55691839
Sideshift removed xmr support for some reason.

>>55694147
Out of all the names they could have chosen, “FedMint”?? Seriously?

>>55697236
Does testnet mean it works or not

>>55697338
>What’s the other one?

SeraiDEX.

https://youtu.be/znMmJTmnQWc?t=1131

>>55700120
>Does testnet mean it works or not

It means its pretty much finished, they're just ironing out what few kinks might be left before going live.

1. CoinJoin to open channel
2. Use Lightning for as long as you need.
3. Close channel and CoinJoin.

Monero literally not needed.

>>55694913
bumping this question. ive seen him post a photo of himself in here. or someone post him. xmr hand tat

>>55701773
this mf. idk his twitter name.
if anyone knows lmk

>>55701847
forgot the photo woops

>>55701852
based pirate
>>55701223
sell all bitshit before catastrophic collapse, profit

>>55677280
Hello, and welcome to the second edition of the /XMR/ book club. The past week, we started "What Has Government Done to Our Money" by Rothbard.

The first chapter dealt with introducing the concept of money. Though it seems obvious that a paper with a man's face stamped onto it can buy us a loaf of bread, few understand the importance and the proper function of money. The chapter starts off with some brief notes on society. Money did not arise on happenstance, but is a prerequisite to society itself. Money arises as a medium of exchange through free market principles from barter. Since within a barter some goods will serve better a transitory commodity or medium for exchange. How good a "money" is ultimately dependent on how well it can be used as a medium of exchange. Only from this properties such as "divisibility" and "fungibility" arise, but keep in mind these arise afterwards to characterize common properties permitting good use.

From there it is explained how the supply and demand for free money functions on a free market basis, and why the cries of bureaucrats of "hoarding" or "fluctuating price levels" are as unfounded for money, as they are for any other commodity. One important note is that as money is not used, monetary increase in supply does not confer social benefit. However, Rothbard admits that proper use does not mean inflation. So by the Austrian measure, neither gold, nor Monero are inflationary.

The chapter ends by analyzing the institution of banking, which is simply a warehouse like we have for wheat or iron. Fractional reserves are the creation of unfounded warehouse receipts so fraud. Nonetheless "free banking" still has limitations onto the amount of inflation it can do. The following chapter will deal with how those constraints were systematically eliminated, alongside important factors to consider such as Gresham's law, the origin of fiat, or the history of government meddling before fractional reserve banking.

>>55702253
It is already clear from this chapter that digital cash functions in a near pure state described in this chapter, ultimately preventing government theft. So it is no wonder that we've seen cryptocurrencies retrace the path that gold and silver once took. Personally, I'd argue that the use of L2s and custodian services (warehouses) will be the prime attack surface to put us on a "standard", then take it away completely. But what is your opinion?
>Will governments do/Are doing the same to cryptocurrencies as they did with gold and silver?
And most importantly
>Do you agree with the book? Do the arguments of Rothbard still stand?
Any other questions, notes are more than welcome, even on the broader scope of Austrian Economics.

>>55701223
>1. CoinJoin to open channel
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo
>2. Use Lightning for as long as you need.
Need to have a live server 24/7 that never goes down.
Nil receiver privacy.
Central hubs probing your ass and your channels.
Chainanalysis is watching you.
>3. Close channel and CoinJoin.
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo

LN is dead on arrival.
FEDmints are dead on arrival.
Btc is dead on arrival.
Use it as a ponzi scheme that helps you accumulate more XMR on the top of the Bull cycle, or get bust.

You have been warned.

What happened to atomicswaps, it was by far my most fav dex type. Is it still being developed?

>>55697685
>>55697649
CEC
For a moment I thot I have not come across those books!

>>55701852
That‘s a cool flag.

>>55702253
I enjoyed the read so far. This is a great idea. Excellent job anon

>>55701892
i couldn't find someone under that name

>0xMonero spammer
>ln+cj spammer
>infinite supply spammer
>midwit spammer
It's all so tiresome.
Am I forgetting any other FUD spammers?

>>55701847

Nate something.

>>55702880
haha alright thanks. if someone else remembers his @ lmk. im wanting to ask where he got the flag, and if he still makes mining rigs.

>>55702880
There‘s this freak in Berlin, Germany, who puts Monero stickers everywhere in town. I once have spotted him, he had his head bald shaven and his bike almost fully covered with Monero stickers. Do you know who said guy is?

>>55673576
BTC BTFO
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/28132

Anyone want a QRD?

>>55702914
>There‘s this freak in Berlin, Germany, who puts Monero stickers everywhere in town. I once have spotted him, he had his head bald shaven and his bike almost fully covered with Monero stickers. Do you know who said guy is?

Oh yeah, that's Noether. He gets around.

>>55702914
>Do you know who said guy is?

> freak in Berlin, Germany,
> I once have spotted him
> he had his head bald shaven

Olaf Sholz?

>>55702931
>Anyone want a QRD?

Quit teasin'.

>>55702932
LEAVE MY HALF KRAUT PAJIT ALONE!!!
Kek, I think he now lives in Netherland.

>>55702932
thanks for clearing this up, man

>>55702941
>socialist
>crypto
these two don‘t fit together well. you suck at memeing.

>>55702993
>you suck at memeing.

bump

can somebody post the orange sonichu monero pic pls, I seem to have lost my copy.

Ahoy Mates!


I would sincerely like to thank all of ye and this wonderful community for everything ye have done for us!!! Since hooking up with members of this community, the positive energy, emails, comments, donations overwhelmingly amazing and are really helping to push our project into a new era of unrealized potential! Our surface numbers have been multiplying since engaging with this community and it is unreal to see positive comments and people digging it on the surface!!!! Yaaaaaaarrrrrrrr!!!! xD


A quick question for ye mates. The XMR community is one of the best promotional entities on an entire website that is majority shilling. MoneroChan, regular posts about XMR all over the site and yer hard work over the last few years to bring XMR to mainstream consciousness has paid off with most of the million+ who visit this site being familiar with XMR or at least the idea of it. Surely this community and a lot of ye have played with banner advertising on this site and have some good ideas/experience with it?


Do ye have any advice on how to run a successful banner campaign on the chinz? We have been dabbling with it since ye wonderful mates have been sending into donations, trying to maximize the positive energy ye have given to us. We have had great success with it. But after trying to study as much as we can about banner advertising, our CTR seems low compared to the industry standards. Also is it worth it advertising to mobile users? How can we maximize our numbers?


Thank ye so much for everything. God Bless XMR!

I am trying to buy a stinky $100 of monero a month but I can't!

>Making a trade on localmonero takes 40 mins
>every shitter seller sees my ratings (around 10 trades) and STILL asks for ridiculous KYC

I am willing to do it just because I believe in monero but this is A LOT of friction

>>55707576
what payment method are you using

>>55707576

Just buy LTC or whatever and swap for XMR with Trocador.

Infinite supply = infinite supply no matter how you spin it, baggies.

how do I mine on moneroocean using my gpu (AMD), I can't find any info

>set up mining rigs long ago
>realizing now that I currently have enough hashrate to mine enough monero to purchase all the protein powder I'd consume in my current diet.

You make me strong, I make your network strong. One hand washes the other.

Hey boys im looking for a erc20 desktop wallet could you point me in the right direction? I just downloaded electrum but now I realize its only for btc.
thanks

>>55708441

Mine in P2Pool like a real chad.

>>55708995
wrong thread

Isn't bitcoin in its current state the model of the 21st century tech industry? It doesn't serve a purpose to improve your life like just about every tech company or it takes a working model like the automobile and make it worse/not practical on purpose like tesla. Lightning network is a gigantic meme and when miners give up on bitcoin reward problems then what is the point? Use some old technology that will have too high fees to use? Crypto bros shit on craig wright but he makes more sense about bitcoin and you have the biggest name trying to salesman bitcoin michael saylor who runs a company less successful then oracle or salesforce. When was the last time you saw larry ellison or marc bernieoff talk serious about bitcoin or crypto payment? Investors with big money will buy stock in oracle or salesforce but microstrategy? Its like clueless morons in VC firms scooped a ton of bitcoin around 2010 like chamalth, organized with more VC scammers like at ripple labs decided to pump btc in 2013 as to create some myth and make bitcoin just another piece of trash amongst the tech/finance industry and the SEC is in on the joke. Hell its so bad I'm not surprised you had guys like mcafee who he himself made riches off the great computer antivirus business scam of the 90s/00s come to openly shit on bitcoin by 2018. I would not be surprised there is some major flaw in the tech scam bubble industry that will blow up sometime this decade and we will see an actual real ugly recession where you would NEED something like monero and we would never see a stinky linkie or a XRPshitter or btc maxi bothering to shitpost during it.

>>55710628
>I would not be surprised there is some major flaw in the tech scam bubble industry that will blow up sometime this decade
It’s ads. The market’s an oligopoly and I would be very surprised if the big players aren’t lying about the numbers somewhere

so that gensler faggot thinks "every other crypto other than bitcoin" is a security

how retarded are these jewish businessmen

What will certain people do when their dev fund runs out of money and monero has full membership proofs?

>>55684814
That's only true if I'm using Hotspot innawoods right? Genuine question
My post earlier in thread was implying I'd attempt hotspot mining while at a library or something. I don't even touch laptop innawoods unless weather has been total shit and I need a backup power source

>>55711671
I don't think they're retarded they know exactly what they're doing
They can't kill bitcoin so they just keep pumping out lawsuits about every other crypto being bad to keep normalfags away until halvening

>>55713243
they're trying to sweep monero under the rug and define it as a security even though it is identical to bitcoin in every meaningful way

I think they can kill bitcoin, bitcoin kills itself based on its dogshit supply curve, no need for outside intervention

but their friends in blackrock and blockstream can get one last bullmarket out of it before it dies of natural causes in 2028

after which monero will take over the market

>>55702253
Also it goes without saying that we will be discussing the next chapter by this Sunday, or the 6th of August. The site will be updated accordingly etc...

>>55702671
Thank you, and I hope you will find the rest the same way. In case you found the explanations lackluster, "The Mystery of Banking" by the same author goes over the same topic, but offers a more in-depth explanation to concepts such as the supply and demand for money, and free market banking, as well as the history of central banking. Feel free to read into it if you're interested, it's free
>https://cdn.mises.org/Mystery%20of%20Banking_2.pdf
We also had one back in April-May about the Sovereign Individual. Great read as well, but very different in scope and topic. Regardless of how many people tune in or stick around, it's always great to educate the other Monero users on these topics as they are painfully relevant in our current world.

>>55677430
activitypub isn't great for anything private, there is no e2e encryption for any data that's transferred. it also relies heavily on DNS and expects you to own a domain name for as long as you are going to host a server.

there's nostr, which is rampant with bitcoin/lightning network people but it should be simple for them to add more crypto payment options for users other than LN

t. pleroma admin and contributor for 3 years

>>55713234
That's if you're using mobile internet hotspots in general, as all gsm/cdma radio devices by law have to have gps receivers in them. I don't think he knew you meant hotspot style miners, which should be fairly anonymous if they are on public wifi. The difficulty will be in mounting/using them without being picked up by surveillance cameras to, there and from.

>>55713496
Don't give these kikes too much credit. I have heard a very plausible narrative that because these yids love their anniversaries, they will allow the last "post-halving" pump to be the summer of 2029 before the centennial of 1929 comes and they pull the plug.

>>55711671
Damn that's crazy. Anyways...

> https://danhedl.medium.com/bitcoins-security-is-fine-93391d9b61a8
Can we find issues in this reasoning xmr bros? The "Transactional Demand" seems convincing, but I'm no math wiz. Any based anons to help?

>>55713875
>all gsm/cdma radio devices by law have to have gps receivers in them.
nope, just triangulation with cell towersbis enough to give the location

>>55715351
So what you're saying is have dummy spots for using internet?

>>55715236
there is no transactional demand

>>55715362
He means you should use directional antennas because it’s way harder to triangulate that

Remember that Monero needs to steal Zcash's tech in order to stay relevant. Superior tech always wins.

Cash has an encrypted transaction layer too but when you try bank it to turn it into currency you can actually buy a house with they will ask you where you got your deposits from.

How is XMR any different in practice? If you swap 1000 XMR the taxman is going to make damn sure in regulation that they know how that transaction came through or else you won't be able to deposit it (or have it seized).

This is the inevitable path crypto goes down once mass adoption happens.

Any explanations on how XMR could survive in a highly regulated world?

>>55708166
cash app and zelle

>>55708223
Through a kyc exchange? but then the IRS has a stupidly clear paper trail to my crypto ownership

>>55716651
>deposit
but why? xmr’s blockchain as far as the taxman is concerned is an impenetrable black box. Why would you want to leave that?
>but they’ll block your transactions until you give them a view key
they can make their rules all they want, enforcement is another matter entirely

>>55716824
I'm just saying that eventually if XMR gets mass adopted as planned by everyone here, they're going to make the depositer the burden of proof wherein they must show logs on how they got it. Similar to how banks work currently with other deposits.

I mean for me I would show it as a long-term investment. Others who are doing actual illegal content and using monero as currency? Going to have to go to the cayman islands to turn it into USD.

>>55716851
nigger what the fuck are you depositing into? If you stay in xmr there’s no proof needed for anyone, just a basic bitch “don’t be stupid and post your seed phrase on twitter”

>>55716879
Realistically you aren't going to topple the fiat system.

You won't be able to buy a house with XMR exclusively, you'll have to swap it to USD etc.

The only institutions that do that will be regulated more than they already are in questioning where you got the XMR from.

I personally could prove it's a long term investment and it's mine.

People who use it for it's actual usecase doing shady shit are never going to be able to turn up to a bank or trader and ask to swap XMR into a few million dollars to buy a house without the tax man coming after you.

That's what "mass adoption" will really look like. The transaction may be hidden and obfuscated, but the XMR itself is worthless until it's cleaned through the banking system because you will always need fiat to buy actual things that aren't virtual/illegal

>>55716896
>XMR mass adoption scenario
>the taxman will come after you
lmao what taxman, taxation is structurally impossible if you can exchange most goods & services with it

>>55716879
>>55716910
I work at a crypto company and we have to provide all sales and logs to my countries version of the IRS. Then to turn $$$ into Crypto or vice-versa, you have to provide a ton of legally required documents in order for a vendor to sell it.

This will all only get worse with regulation. Everyone here is investors so we don't specifically have this problem, but the main client-base of XMR are typically going to be wanting to hide criminal behaviour as the coins main use-case, and so while that works for a bit, it doesn't have much scalability because once you hit a limit of around $10k, people are going to start asking questions on how you came across it. You can't provide the right proof? Coins seized. USA is already doing this.

>>55716925
Go ahead and tell me which country that is. Bet you won’t because you’re ashamed of it

>>55716824
>Why would you want to leave that?
To buy a house, put considerable funds into your business, or other large scale, state regulated activities.

>>55716925
who talked about cashing out mr. queer namefag when the entire point of a "monero mass adoption" scenario is that it is used as a currency to trade goods and services

>>55716960
Right now? New Zealand, we're not very regulated in cryptocurrency but it's getting there. And New Zealand is always the worlds guinea pig so what happens here will happen there.

Right now every sell, every purchase, everything gets handed to the IRD (NZ's IRS). We aren't even a big exchange but these are legal guidelines we have to follow. So basically, if anyone sells BTC we don't ask at all, but the IRD might. They'll probably investigate the ledger on big trades. They can't do that on XMR, so it will just become harder to trade in (eventually). This is a future I see for XMR.

I'm bullish on XMR to an extent on the next bullrun, but not too bullish on it destabilizing the financial economy. Those'll be the exit bag holders.

>>55716972
This is exactly my point. As XMR becomes bigger, if you are accumulating XMR through illegal activity it will become absolutely impossible to 'clean' it without going to a country with clean crypto laws.

>>55716983
>who talked about cashing out
Me, in the very first sentence of my post that you first responded to KEK you are a nigger aren't you? Stop smoking weed all day

>>55717002
you talk about a "mass adoption" scenario and imply that you can only buy/sell niche "virtual/illegal" stuff just like now, resulting in users being obligated to cash out to do anything with it, without realizing the implication of such a scenario (Keywords: [Mass, Adoption]), as if the world is a static system and the widespread usage of an untraceable crypto-currency won't have any long lasting consequences beyond your imagination

>>55717002
a) in a mass adoption scenario xmr is the thing you “cash out” INTO, not the other way around
b) you’re acting like something being illegal means it never happens. Please scrounge around for another neuron so you can understand how stupid that claim is

>>55717064
In what universe are house purchases not regulated? Even if the US government, traditional finance, the EU, completely implode, that power vacuum is getting filled by something. And there will still be demand for a regulated housing market so buyers aren't getting screwed or dealing with drug dealers laundering money through housing.

>>55715351
>>55715578
>>55715578

Even worse, the device reports its gps coordinates to the sole tower in the event of a single tower. I found that out personally when I requested a signal booster on an old contract plan. That's why I like satellite, despite the horrible ping and shit speeds. Alternatively, and something plan on doing in the future is putting the satellite gear attached to a solar shed and then get directional wifi antennas to send it over miles to where I plan to homestead.

>>55717002
>tripfag
>pass holder
>fudding
>glowing
>ignoring the entire point of a black market
Opinion ignored.

>>55717122
>In what universe are house purchases not regulated [by contemporary states]
In the universe of a "mass adoption" scenario of a untraceable & free medium of exchange; not a small thing..
>that power vacuum is getting filled by something
Certainly not in the form of a contemporary huge state, as in that scenario taxation is structurally impossible as monero has been mass adopted.
I would suggest you to read some anarcho-capitalism literature to find potential clues about what could possibly happen

You're trying to apply concepts & categories from the status quo into an hypothetical completely different future (A single thing changed, but with implications as big as the industrial revolution, we can't predict this).
It's not a given at all that concepts of "drug dealing" being "illegal" & "bad" and "money laundering", or contemporary "zoning laws" would persist in such a scenario

>>55717122
Hey retard, you really think any actual monero enjoyers really want to retire to a fucking mcmansion in suburbia? Is this the best you glowniggers got?

>>55717277
I'm not talking about just the current Monero holder crew, but everyone, provided it gets mass adoption. And most everyone wants to own land and not get screwed over in the process.

>>55717241
Don't be a condescending fag. Even if things become much more libertarian and we go the Sovereign Individual, or Snow Crash, or Neo-Feudalism routes, people, or the Administration of General Lee's Greater Hong Kong, are still going to want records and verification. That's the motto: don't trust, verify. Maybe we go network state route where land is owned by collectives with members having access to all constituent properties, but still various collectives are going to want their members' financial history to vet who they're taking on. Though that's fine with Monero given view-only keys.

>>55717350
>>55717241
But even then, that's still way in the future, and we still have to deal with monolithic states for the next couple decades at least. Since I don't think it will be a sudden collapse, but more a multi-generational bleed out as people switch systems.

>>55717221
I'm not fudding you're just a coinshill who doesn't actually read comments. I have a decent hoard for Monero and I am bullish on it. I'm just asking questions that people may have.

>>55715362
No, I'm saying removing GPS from your device does not help to conceal your location.

>>55715578
good idea

what's the suicide stack

>>55718658
XX

>>55716851
>if XMR gets mass adopted as planned by everyone here

Who said anything about mass adoption? CBDCs will see mass adoption, not crypto.


>they're going to make the depositer the burden of proof wherein they must show logs on how they got it. Similar to how banks work currently with other deposits.

Cashing out to fiat isn't the point of Monero.


>I mean for me I would show it as a long-term investment.

lol. Just sell, all of it, right now and buy a dog meme instead.


>Others who are doing actual illegal content and using monero as currency? Going to have to go to the cayman islands to turn it into USD.

What is a circular economy?

>>55716925
>This will all only get worse with regulation.

There are no regulations in the shadow economy.

>>55718658
>>55718750
XX.X

>>55716651
>>55716851
>>55716896
>>55716925
>>55717002
>>55717939
keep seething brainlet

>>55716972
he doesn't know cash and metals exist, he doesn't know that cash and metal isn't on a database

Why doesn't XMR ever pump or dump, just crabs... even in a bull run it didn't even pump that much

>>55723033
most people are retarded cattle incapable of understanding or researching tokenomics, also most institutions profit more on pumping and dumping bitshit rather than monero

monero is dangerous to governments because it is actually useful, bitshit has no usecase so they play with it

>>55723107
Why would me, a college student use monero at its fullest though. I like the concept though

>>55723131
if you have foresight to understand why bitshit will fail, price has to double every 4 years for it to be profitable for miners, won't happen, it's a centralized system which will collapse, also it has no usecase as currency

fiat, hyperinflation makes fiat worthless

monero, has a usecase, is decentralized, digital gold, the only useful cryptocurrency that exists, you can expect price appreciation to the number 1 market cap in crypto, and also similar hold value as gold

metals are always a great investment as well, gold and silver still are with you even when the internet is not usable in shtf scenario

monero is a store of value and currency like gold

>>55723131
>Why would me, a college student use monero at its fullest though.

Monero gives you access to a growing and global digital shadow economy.

>>55723131
You can buy drugs.

>>55673576
Long time silver stacker, I'm looking to get into Monero after a radicalizing interaction with Paypal. I have no idea where to start. Help?

>>55725618
getmonero.com

>>55725638
>getmonero.com
Doesn't exist

>>55725652

>>55725638
>>55725652
sorry, getmonero.org
though getmonero.com should redirect.

>>55725618
>Long time silver stacker, I'm looking to get into Monero after a radicalizing interaction with Paypal. I have no idea where to start. Help?

BTW, if you're in the US you sell (and buy) silver for XMR here. https://monerosilver.com/

>>55725720
any europe equivalent?

Lets say xmr becomes mainstream what would we do if because eventually all commerce goes throught (((them)))

>>55725916
jews breathe air so why are you respiring right now

>>55725739
>any europe equivalent?

Suisse Gold accepts XMR for purchases. https://www.suissegold.eu/en/

>>55725974
Air is in the entire world while there are only a few important ports per country which can easily be controled by ai and legislation heck that new gps system but with nuclear rays means you can see whats inside containers

Once you try lightning you never go back.

@55727035
never goes back to the chain, you mean?

>>55727271

Forced channel closure is a thing.

Fuck, I let my node sit idle too long because of a driver problem. Now I have to let it run overnight to catch up.

>>55727035
>1. CoinJoin to open channel
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo
>2. Use Lightning for as long as you need.
Need to have a live server 24/7 that never goes down.
Nil receiver privacy.
Central hubs probing your ass and your channels.
Chainanalysis is watching you.
>3. Close channel and CoinJoin.
pay 10 USD tx fees, no thanks homo

LN is dead on arrival.
FEDmints are dead on arrival.
Btc is dead on arrival.
Use it as a ponzi scheme that helps you accumulate more XMR on the top of the Bull cycle, or get bust.

You have been warned.

Time to dust off my node.

Is there a way to convert XMR into a Visa card? Converting XMR into anonymous gift cards works fine for spending money privately, but not practical

>>55723131
>college student
Buy some stack in case it moons to help you get started in life.
Do not buy drugs. Don't listen to edgy larpers.

>>55729650
Nothing direct I can think of. Maybe use monero to get an Amazon coincard, then buy a prepaid debit with the coincard balance?

https://particl.news/bidirectional-part-anon-and-xmr-atomic-swaps-now-live-on-basicswap-dex/

how are my monero chads doing

>>55732214
you gonna start begging again?

Monero plush is cute.

>>55732214
Where did your main Leb-tread go?
Anyway, If you send XMRSticker telegram group owner (not mod) your address, he will send you a pack of 300 stickers for free. Just send a legit receiver, so Lebanon post doesn't make a big fuss like last time when you almost couldn't pick it up.

>>55732214
it's HAAAAAAAAAAASH WEDNESDAY

>>55729482
xmr privacy explained by physical storage
>it’s a steel safe. You can’t look inside without the owner’s permission or some serious tools, and you can’t get to that step unless you somehow figured out the owner actually owns that safe
loltning network “privacy”
>it’s an off-brand Tupperware that sends an automatic tweet (xpost?) every time its contents are modified. But it’s okay because someone taped a Mac lightning cable to the top and wrote “this is private pls don’t look” on it
absolute retards
>these are exactly the same

>>55735503

Lightning has more users than your overrated shitcoin. Keep coping.

>>55736104

lol and yet.....

btw XMR is now at 68%

when are we going on sale I need to stack

>>55736271
We've been on sale for over a year now.

>>55736202

Who gives a shit about gift cards?

>>55736577
the people who buy them?

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