/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55669424
it was a total clusterfuck last cycle despite the 16-17 bull and 18 bear being the only time without major ftx tier ruggings
in dec 18 at the bottom you had legions of bears saying sub 100 is next all seething in disbelieve when the rally started
then you had the summer local top buyers who where seething in impotent anger when they got badholded immediately after
then came covid and that fucked up a lot of people in many ways not even crypto related, after that it was the summer of defi that also took most people in complete disbelieve
the biggest joke was the pullback, very minor, from the summer of defi made a lot of long term holders bearish on their btc and eth right at the start of the parabola
this made so many people permanently insane
and then came the may 21 chinese miner shoah and subsequent massive dump that marked the biggest historical aberration to date
in summary from jan 2018 to today it has been nostop bobo posting except for may to july 2019

best advise dont listen to the loudest screechers, how many of them where saying 2008 part two recession coming start of this year

b-bump

>>55669424

i remember arguing with morons on here who were certain that 2017 was the last cycle

>>55669874
Thanks for the recap anon. Neverending fear and greed it is then..
>how many of them where saying 2008 part two recession coming start of this year
Yeah it was a doomer mania, pic related.

2020 was the expectation. I don't think people expected ath to come after the big drop from 60k or so late in 2021.
There was this guy here in 2018 who kept shorting the bottom and had charts calling for 2k. He always typed with caps lock on and his charts had a black background with cyan lines.
The god candle in oct, 2019 was fun.
In 2018, when the board was eerily quiet (kind of like now), there was a guy complaining about the lack of new memes. He drew a stick figure called hodling hank and people renamed it to gaybo.
I would not be shocked if we see a big surge later in 2023 because people are frontrunning the prediction of 24/25 and the inevitable etf approval. Personally, I do not care because I'm 90% Kaspa.

>>55670019
Sorry, not oct, 2019. I meant April. I have a memory of caps lock anon trying to convince people to short during the god candle in real time

>>55669874
Thanks

>>55670019
>There was this guy here in 2018 who kept shorting the bottom and had charts calling for 2k
Reminds me of thicc line anon last bull who kept posting his shorts from 29K and BTC just went to a new ATH instead kek

>>55670090
Here's the thread
>>/biz/thread/13186834#p13190031

>>55670299
Reading older threads on warosu is always entertaining, thanks.
Like the first anon ITT said, loud screechers should not be listened..

>>55670299
lmao holy shit, thanks for sharing anon.
You're a pretty cool guy.
Also what a loudmouth retard. Combing through the thread was making me rage, glad to see the last 1/4th of it was just everyone dunking on that faggot

>>55669874
This but I'd go one further. When we start to heat up, don't go on any social media and stop coming here too. Use your tools, but don't let the euphoria get to you

>>55669937
>october 2022
literally the bottom for stocks calling for the worst dump ever lol
>man would thought it all got as tiresome as possible found out he did in fact got more tired

>>55670469
this is very good advise, it was abundantly clear throughout 2021 and the first half of 2022 that we were raided by coordinate groups to fuck retail over as much as possible, later on it was revealed that ftx spend fortunes on setting the narrative in the cryptosphere
trust only in your charts and the way you learned to master them now during the bear, only stick with indicators you know and understand dont fall for whatever memeline gets hyped in the middle of the mania
i remember so many elliott wave retards getting absolutely buttfucked during 2021 and 2022

>>55669937
>Neverending fear and greed
also its not really this
for the fear side a lot of what gets posted here is malicious in nature either smelling of curry, vc made or simply seething no coiners
you have no idea of how many terminally poor people from other boards that never owned any financial assets just come here to fuck frens out of gains for sheer crab in bucket mentality

as to the greed, fiat gets printed into oblivion so the only logical curve for technological programmable hard currency is gongo up
just dont fall for the vc and meme rugs along the way

>>55669424
We are in the phase of the cycle where threads on /biz/ can stay up for 2+ days so yes basically everyone here knows about the 4 year cycle and has survived both the bubble/mania phase and the bear market
Next year or so more retards will start trickle in (but this will be nothing compared to what will happem during the next bullrun year) and as we get closer to the parabolic/bubble/mania year more and more strange theories will crop up about "supercycles" early blow off tops" "this time its different" etc

I will add however that since this is the 4th 4 year cycle in Bitcoin's history there is potential for it to be wonky
A Bitcoin "kali yuga" if you will
As we know the 4th year is the bearish year in the 4 year cycle so the same pattern might play out this time, meaning it could indeed top early and enter an extended bear phase, have an extreme shudric mania up to a 16 year cycle top, or just be overall more bearish than the other cycles ala diminishing returns
I kinda doubt these theories however and I bet they simply stem from a lack of proper confidence in the uncanny accuracy and essentially the mystery of the 4 year cycle

>>55669424
>Did the majority also say
Anybody saying anything is a shill. No one knows if or when the next bull/bear will start. Anybody claiming to know is a liar.

>>55669937
case in point for the collapse narrative
powell just pumped the markets instead of crashing them without survivors, lol at what a difference a year makes since his jhole speech where he promised the biggest spanking in your liv es lol

and stroll through the board still bobos calling for a collapse to 12k
at this point i really cant tell if these are genuine retards or trolls trying to fuck newfags
if its the latter still retarded as newfags have been pretty thoroughly purged from the board and anyone left is now a fren

>>55669424
It was a mixture of people saying it's over forever and people saying it'll come back in 4 years. Similar to now, but with more people saying it'll be back in 2025. Probably fags will time it wrong though expecting it to end in Summer lol

>>55669424
No, i remember in 18/19 thinking that the 2017 spike was so extreme, so irrational like the tulip bulb. A once in a lifetime event that was obvious in hindsight. Maybe btc would stabilize around 10k but likely die a slow death.

Then the pandemic hit, mass panic, and i remember going on vacation in summer 2020 and hearing a ecb press lagarde conference saying she they will print money like mad and i just thought "wtf are they doing? this will mean massive inflation", put my remaining money (like 600k) in btc at i think 10k or so and became rich and poor again.

>>55669424
there are no oldfags here. this board is a spin-off of /g/ because g didnt want dogecoin threads.

>>55670019
Decent post. How many to make it how many kas do you have? I know it’s still not too late with this one

>>55669424
I never bought any of that "size matters" crap until my junior year in college where I met Sergey Nazarov. I lived in the dorms with two roommates, Ari and Sergey. Ari was a pretty ordinary looking guy, kinda quiet - but Sergey was handsome, bloatmaxxed with a massive belly and (according to him anyway) was hung like a bull. He used to joke about it a lot - even around my girlfriend, Amy. Amy was a sophomore and was petite, shy and somewhat quiet. I didn't like it when Sergey would make his "big dick" comments and jokes around Amy, but she told me she didn't pay any attention to him and truth be told, she really couldn't stand Sergey.

I have a 5.5" dick and with Amy being so petite, it always seemed to do the trick. I was only the third guy she'd ever been with and only her second boyfriend - maybe my guard was just down but who knows.

Anyway, one Friday night, Amy and I were hanging out in my dorm room drinking, smoking some weed and watching TV. Ari and Sergey had both gone home for the weekend - or so we thought. At about 1am (Amy and I were pretty toasted by then), Sergey walked in. He'd ended up hanging out with some of his friends off campus and had decided to just drive home in the morning since his parents only lived about an hour and a half away.

He could see that Amy and I were both pretty hammered. He grabbed a beer and sat down and we smoked some more weed with him. Amy was pretty drunk and started giving Sergey shit. Sergey seemed to get a kick out of it and I could see him kinda flirting with Amy. Then I noticed (and hoped that Amy wouldn't) that Sergey wasn't wearing any underwear.

>>55673975
But Amy started massaging my dick through my jeans and being so fucked up, I just laid my head back and enjoyed it - I couldn't believe she was doing that right in front of Sergey! I heard Sergey get up to pass Amy the joint we were smoking and I heard her gasp, long and deep and she suddenly stopped stroking my dick. I opened my eyes and saw Sergey standing righ tin front of Amy with a HUGE fucking bulge in his pants - just inches from her face. The room was so quiet you could have heard a pin drop.

He just stood there and I could feel her hand tremble and hear her breathing quicken. when she slowly looked up at him, almost in awe and respect, I could feel my heart start to pound in my chest. Then she softly whispered "ohhhhhhhhhhh" as she gingerly reached up to brush her finger tips across that massive knot in his pants. When she touched it, it throbbed - FUCK I could see it throb thorugh his pants - Amy just gasped again and looked up at him.

"What?" Sergey asked her and just kinda laughed. Amy did NOT laugh. Instead, she softly asked "can i see it?" Sergey stopped laughing, looked at her very seriously and told her to take it out. Amy never even hesitated - or looked back at me for an "OK" - just just obeyed him and began to open his jeans. I could see her nipples rock hard under her t-shirt and I could tell she was practically panting.

>>55673979

She opened his jeans and his big thick dick just fell out...and he had NOT been kidding. That cock was strong, heavy and muscular. The head was a purple mushroom that sat on top of the thickest shaft i'd ever seen. He was semi-hard and was HUGE compared to me. Amy just gasped and kept whispering "ohmygodohmygodohmygod". When she wrapped her hand around it, her brow just knotted in disbelief and she almost laughed at how thick he was - her fingers couldn't even touch.

Sergey just stood there watching my girlfriend worship his magnificent cock. Slowly shaking her head in disbelief, she two-fisted him - one hand next to the other...and there was STILL a few inches left - and he was getting rock hard, too.

Amy smiled and patted the couch next to her and Sergey sat down, his cock standing straight up. Honestly he had to be almost 10" (judging from the size of Amy's hand). I opened my pants and took my own cock out. Amy took my cock in her left hand and Sergey's in her right - but there was little doubt whose cock was getting more attention. She couldn't take her eyes off his cock and her hand only occasionally stroked my dick...but Sergey's she pumped with long, purposeful strokes until she finally couldn't help herself any longer and knelt in front of him, kissing his cock and rubbing it against her soft pale skin.

She sucked his dick until SHE came - just from sucking him! I stroked the whole time until he pulled her toward him, peeled off her pants (she didnt even make the slightest attempt to stop him) and sat her on his lap, her back to his chest - the two of them right next to me. She just rolled her head back to kiss him as he squeezed her tits through her shirt. Her hands went down and pushed that big cock against her pussy and she groaned so loud when it touched her that I thought people outside would hear.

>>55673983
Sergey's dick was so fucking big that he easily penetrated her from behind with her sitting on his lap. She arched up so she could take as much of it as she could and they started to fuck right there next to me. It shocked me how easily her petite little body accomodated that horse cock of his. Sergey pounded her in positions that i physically CANNOT do for over an hour - I have no idea how many times she came - she was even in tears a few times (though she never once told him to stop).

He asked her if she was on the pill and when she said she was on the patch, he told her that he was going to cum inside of her to mark her - which only made her cum again! when he finally came, he had Amy on her back, her legs shaking violently as they both came together - and true to his word, Sergey dumped his seed deep up inside my girlfriend's pussy right in front of me. But fuck - he didn't even lose his damn hard on! They fucked for about another 40 minutes and he came twice more. Amy was a wreck by the time we all went to bed.

I will never forget the look on her face - like she was afraid of him and in love with him all at once - the whole time they fucked. She later told me that there were no words to describe it - it was incredible but even that didn't seem enough. To my knowledge they never fucked again and Amy and I dated for about another year before we finally broke up. I always wondered if she ended up with him or some other big dick guy.

But one thing I know for sure - she NEVER fucked me like she did Sergey and the things she said about Sergey - the way she looked at him - and the way she was around him after that night (almost shy and meek) convinced me that a big dick makes a difference.

Amy told me that she "HAD to respect him" even if she didn't like him...and that she almost felt like he "had a right to her". So there ya go.

>>55673888
Checked.
I have 2m kas at an average of $0.02.
I guess God blessed me with a knack for picking good investments. I had raiblocks in 2017, link in 2019-2021, and now kas. Unfortunately, I didn't make much money on link because of my own stupidity. I actually hadn't looked at crypto closely for years until the past spring, and wasn't planning on buying back in. I unironically feel like God brought me back. Hoping to make it this cycle.

>>55674944
Same anon under a different ID

>>55669424
>the majority l
who?

>>55673145
How rich/poor

>>55674944
Another oldfag checking in, also all-in on KAS. Rode LINK, GRT, FTM, and KDA for around $500k (cashed out most). Stack is around 4m KAS right now. This coin will be the big one. $1 minimum. Euphoria could reach $2-3

>>55675596
What does this even do that's different than all the bullshit already out there

>>55675573
About 7mn at peak and now back to 2.5

>>55669424
I don't care about Jeet's opinion, Anon. All I have to do is hold KREST, receive PEAQ airdrops, and wait for the bull run.

>>55675596
Anon, are you drunk? While you're here talking sh*t on the biz, smart fags are busy owning fractions of Tesla on ELOOP and earning from their daily generated revenue.

Another way to thing about the next bull run: why wouldn't there be another one? The status quo is difficult to change. Regardless of if you think the market is legit or fraud, the next bull run will likely come. The main worry I have is a larger macro event because the yield curve has been inverted for so long.
>>55675621
Solved the trilemma. I also believe $1 minimum as >>55675596 stated, but I'm more optimistic. If the devs successfully implement the rust update, I don't think they even need to achieve implementation of dagknight or SCs this cycle. Promises alone has been good enough for other coins before. My guide is to see how quickly we hit $1. I hope it happens before new Bitcoin ath. Kaspa could siphon money out of Bitcoin's as maxis realize it's better than Bitcoin.

>>55669424
Oldfag from 2010 pre pizza

2017 was the bull run
2018 many fled for the entire year it looked like a ghost town here on biz and elsewhere nobody was even asking question like yours, it was over in Jan 2018 then it got really over by May and then again December events and nobody was here to post pink
and only in 2019 Feb did the Asuka meme arrive and anons started to believe again

2025 its not happening we are in an extended bull market ffs eth piece of shit is still above 1k
By 2025 btc will be 12k and eth 400 that is the December 2018

Check back here for 2029 when btc reaches 500k

>>55669424
Oldfag here
yes, 2021 was the same.
even 2017 was predicted in the same way by many oldfags.
what you don't understand is that they are not the majority of market participants.
eventually normies joining later in the cycle are the vast majority of market participants.
and they literally don't know anything about the cycle.

>>55670019
>all caps anon
Ahahahahaha I almost forgot

>>55670019
and yes good to see another oldfag all in Kas, personally I couldn't bring myself to sell my last 20k linkies but aside from that same here

>>55669424
No. Everyone thought it was over forever. We had reached despair. We have not hit that sentiment yet which means we can't rule out 12k yet. A lot can and will happen between now and the next ATH. https://youtu.be/y28Diszaoo4

>>55679588
meh, cycles can only repeat so many times before softening out a bit, especially one telegraphed by something as fixed as btc halvening

>>55679588
You could easily argue 15k was despair.

>>55669424
>Considering that the majority is saying that 2024/2025 will be a bull market, how was it during the last bear market? Did the majority also say "the bull market will be 2020/2021"?
It doesn't matter what the majority says.
It doesn't matter what anybody says.
The "narrative" doesn't matter, it can only compund the cycle.
Learn the fucking cycle.
picrel
4chan isn't the majority.
Crypto twitter isn't the majority.
The majority (of mumus) will say, when the peak hits, that this time it's different and the cycle is broken to their sole benefit. Just like bobos say when the bottom hits.
Fuck you and your gay thread.

>>55669874
>after that it was the summer of def
Defi summer was 2019 not 2020 but other than that you are pretty accurate. Tip for new guys, don’t stay in a bearish mindset and then get caught off guard by the new bull run. Most in 2019 were very shocked when prices finally went up again.

>>55679588
>We have not hit that sentiment yet
Deluded

I was supposed to receive 12,000 dollars in spring 2017 and never did..... I would have made it.

>>55669424
plenty of the ones who talk have a game, the majority repeat what they have interest to believe, we know hard time are coming we are preparing for it in our nightmares.
But yeah, the question of the bias of the holders and potential buyers seams to be at the core of the market, find a way to do a good typology and indicators, feed this to a statistical model, and I guess it would be a pretty solid trading bot :)