/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55627415
Many businesses own commercial space. They can’t let the price tank LOL

Once again, everything in America hinges on propping up the cost of shelter and making sure it creeps up endlessly.

>>55627415
Based Jeff weeding out the work from home scum.

>>55627415
>dream
It was always meant as cost savings for less office use, and for ease of firing staff that's dead weight. The corporations always win, goyim.

Not in Eastern Europe
WFH Outsourcing Chad here
I will never go back to office, or may be... but with an assault rifle

>>55627415
it wasnt lindy

>>55627415
This is why

Too much capital tied up in office space, and too much capital tied up in real estate, to either allow offices to go empty or flood the housing market with newly renovated ex-office apartments.

Essentially, demand has to be artificially created through coercion to protect the asset holding class from ever losing any money (god forbid), which is a thing that only happens to cattle poors.

Tldr; Cunts.

>>55627441
Sorry but you now have to commute to Seattle

Not my job lmao
Learn2code

>>55627467
>Niggertown

Westoids are done

>>55627434
>>55627436
>>55627440
>>55627441
Cool it down with the Antisemitism.

i miss being in a office, and im not joking. I grew way more connection to my team, and fostered great relationships. I am in a creative field so it might be different from corporate though. I'm a chad ENTP so none of you relate to me.

>>55627494
It's a fundamental right to hate jews in Eastern Europe

Stop infringing my freedom disgusting mutt

>>55627480
Seattle is more hobo trannies with heroin addictions, not really negroes. The Pacific Northwest is a special kind of shitty that somehow omits large presence of blacks

>>55627498
go back to office then fucking faggot
you sound fucking gay tho
just put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger useless normie
i will NEVER go back to office
I will keep creamping my gf during my shift

>>55627473
You better code yourself a Honda Civic and get commuting

>>55627415
because WFH is the primary reason labor productivity in the US has declined by a historic amount and the world is getting sick of pandemic princesses sitting at home doing nothing all day and calling it "work"

you will go back into the office 4 days a week, or you will be laid off. Nature is healing.

>>55627531
We wont go back to the cuckfice
We wont pay the gas tax
We wont pay the parking tax
We will crash the commercial real estate market
And you will enjoy it.

>>55627511
I cant code you a dilator

>>55627510
you sound like a fat dude, and i bet whatever hole you"might" be inside of is probably equally gross. I bet no one wants you in the office either you fat weirdo

>>55627415
I'd celebrate this, but mountain west prices aren't going back down.

>>55627646
u mad bro?

>>55627415
Stupid af
Now those employees will go in 3 days a week but those 2 days at home they won’t do jack shit. Back before the chink flu I worked one day a week from home and did absolutely nothing that day. Now I work every day from home and I work hard every day.

>>55627673
Nice men
>>55627586
None of those are my problems

>>55627415
Because you can't be productive when you are at the same place you sleep and jerk off.

>>55627673
yeah, I'm mad that the game studio I'm working at wont go back into a office. I hate being at home all day. I miss team lunches. Introverted fags are the absolute worse.

>>55627415
The funny thing is that it didn't. Work from home is here to stay. Many companies are starting to realize that they can cut costs by huge amounts by not having to subsidize city living for their rank and file employees.

Incredible amounts of people are refusing to come back to the office, they are going to forward looking companies that allow work from home.

>>55627721
There’s also less turnover, people are willing to take less pay for wfh, and there is less time off and sick pay.

>>55627699
boo hoo corpie is mad that he cant use the office lease for a tax break next year

>>55627502
Yeah they all left Seattle to go to tacoma, Kent, auburn, Spokane, Bellevue, lakewood, Spanaway, etc lmao

>>55627673
and side note, you claim you have a gf yet posting some bullshit matches from a euro dating app(probably adult friend finder)....oh wow you're totally not fat.

I now know for a fact. Go eat another baguette you fat faguette.

>>55627436
not really
theyre trying to save the commercial realestate industry

>>55627742
it's tinder lol
and yes i cheat on my gf
now kys disgusting mutt i'm sure you are not even white

>>55627511
Giga based

a mixed schedule is worse. every day is a tossup. no routine. at the place i work, i no longer have a desk. so you have to reserve a meeting room or find a random unused desk. either way, it's like working in a fucking public library - spotty wifi, just my old underpowered laptop and it's dim screen.

either being in office is superior or it's not. there is no "compromise." if being in office is better, you would never allow anyone to work from home. full stop.

>>55627802
shut up whiny loser

>>55627773
I am a white mutt. I am loyal to my gf. Your dating profile is probably some catfish bullshit. If you really do have a gf you cheat on, i don't think its a cool thing to brag about.

Men who cheat are not worthy of wearing white skin.

>>55627836
i think that's also what the middle managers say from their personal office, with the doors closed.

>>55627840
>>55627773
youre both insecure fags

>>55627531
>NOOOOO YOU NEED HAVE ENDLESS MEETINGS IN PERSON WHERE NOTHING OF VALUE GETS SAID OR PUT IN TO ACTION AND CONSTANTLY BE INTERRUPTED WITH POINTLESS SMALL TALK THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DAY TO BE BE MORE PRODUCTIVE!!!!!!!

>>55627415
Investment banks have large exposure to CRE and pay for propaganda about return to office which boomer slurp up.

>>55627836
kek

>>55627415
codeniggers could have bought a house with cash and worked bullshit jobs to make ends meet but instead they debtmaxxed and need to a six figure wageslavery income to survive. sad!

>>55627498
>I grew way more connection to my team, and fostered great relationships.
You sound like a woman.

>>55627464
oy vey, gotta import billions of niggers immediately. can't have the goyim have cheap houses and reproducing!

>>55627802
reserve an meeting room for the next 6 months. flush concrete down the toilet. microwave fish stuffed with popcorn and durian. you need to engage in soft sabotage to get back at these kikes.

>>55627531
I will not go back boomer.

>sitting at home doing nothing all day and calling it "work"
Shaniqua called, she said you're late for the mandatory shabooya roll call, and don't forget to register for the mantory anti-racism seminar.

>>55627531
Productivity is finally going to match wages.

>>55627840
>Men who cheat are not worthy of wearing white skin.
He's French, the only French that don't fuck underage girls on the side are faggots

>>55628032
Kek

>>55627531

I've never understood this argument. If the employee isn't performing and meeting deadlines, then fire them. If they are doing everything that is asked from them, who cares whether it's at home or in an office? If you suspect they're sitting idle much of the day but still completing all the work that's required from them, that's on the employer. And news flash, they'd still be sitting at their desk zoning out for hours every day and doing nothing in an office. The solution isn't bringing them back to an office, it's either giving them more work or firing them and consolidating work if you got a bunch of useless employees you're paying for no good reason.

>>55627498
EBTP here too. Just get a hobby and use home office to slack.

>>55627531
>labor productivity in the US has declined by a historic amount
Ya think that has anything to do with the government halting economic activity for over a year?

>>55627415
>wfh workers bragging they only work like 2 hours a week
>some even bragging they have time for multiple wfh jobs at the same time because they spend so little time on each
>surprised they get called back to office
Wow, who would've known. Obviously most were just larping but If those stories were even half-true it would be unsustainable long term and only a matter of time the wagies would be called back into their cages.

>>55627415

Wagies have it too good, they need to go back to the office and suffer

t. NEET aristocrat

>>55627415
Isn’t it kind of weird that it’s constantly pushed on us that climate change is caused by fossil fuel usage ie cars. Shouldn’t they be in favor of mandatory work from home since our planet is in such peril? I don’t understand bros, make it make sense

>>55628308
All political topics are a justification to rape you.

>>55628308
they want to have their cake and eat it too. pure greed. saturnism means consuming (the future of) your children and it's all the rage these days and has been for 3/4 century at least now.

>>55627441
Nobody is jealous of your $200 per week WFH job Igor

>>55627502
The truth is that Seattle/Portland/San Francisco have ALWAYS been shitholes with the lowest class degenerate Whites in the country. This was the literal end of the road for the Oregon Trail. Most normies would stop along the way and either find a job somewhere in a big city like Kansas City/Minneapolis/Denver/Utah/etc. or set up a farm in the open land. The people who made it all the way to the very end of the trail were the biggest dysgenic degenerates. Drug abuse, homelessness, and prostitution in particular are nothing new to these cities either. In fact, modern homelessness culture really started only because of the Oregon Trail migration. Degenerates who were retarded or couldn’t would just sleep in their wagons at night then rob people during the day

Time is running out, boomie. You've only got a handful of years left. Not nearly enough time left for more screwing of your kid's generation.

>>55627586
>We wont go back to the cuckfice

Yes you will, lmao. You have no power to negotiate, this isn't your decision to make

>>55627931
you can cry about it, but you WILL be going back to the office at least 4 days per week

>>55627993
Yes, you will. Again, this isn't your decision to make lmao.

>>55628162
It's a pretty simple argument. You are straight up not as productive at home as you are in the office, end of discussion. Perhaps some individuals are, but unfortunately, the majority of bad apples ruin it for the few good ones. Kinda like niggers, actually, which is funny because that's what WFH parasites are. Niggers. Blame others for ruining a good thing, not my problem. You WILL report to the office Monday morning.

>>55628362
cope as much as you want pathetic mutt

even an amazon delivery man makes more than 800$ per month net in eastern europe

you westoids are so deluded

>>55628409

If an employee is being less productive, why isn't the employer replacing them with somebody who meets their productivity requirements. Again, I don't see what this has to do with WFH. An employee is either doing their work or not. If they are, great, they're earning their paycheck. If they're not, they need to disciplined and/or let go.

>>55628438
>An employee is either doing their work or not.

Yes, and they are "doing their work" if they are in the office. Otherwise, they are not.

>>55627738
>blacks
>in eastern Washington
Tell me you know nothing about eastern Washington without telling me you know nothing about eastern Washington.

>>55628409
>Commercial real estate baggie cope
Fucking Kek, you will pay your debts.

>>55628457
and you will commute into work 5 days per week.

>>55628449
>Otherwise, they are not.

Then why are they not being fired?

>>55627436
See you at temple tomorrow

>>55628438
If I'm looking at 2 candidates and one of them is a good boy wagie and the other is begging me to wfh, I will always pick the good boy wagie and ALWAYS tell the wfh cuck to go fuck himself even if his productivity is a few percentage points higher
The good boy wagie obviously wants the job more
When will the wage cucks learn?

>>55627511
which part did you not understand about his post, indian faggot

>>55627498
>ENTP
Fuck me anyone who believes this astrology level shit deserves to wage forever

>>55627436
>t. wagecel

>>55627415
Local companies Will always rely on remote work to attract talent, making any Big company non supporting remote work unnatrictive to the talent that can give you an Edge against competition. Remote work is here forever

>>55628479

I don't disagree with you there, the big downside to WFH is those face to face and personal relationships do help with networking, promotions at a current job, etc.

I just don't see how it's a productivity issue. Employees are either performing and meeting all their deadlines or they aren't. If they're meeting all the deadlines but you still think they're slacking (at home, in the office, or wherever) and not doing enough, that's management's fault. You're not giving them enough work and keeping them busy enough. Sure there are some employees out there who are extra motivated and will find things to keep them busy, but that's not the norm.

>>55628466
nature is in the process of healing, but it takes time

>>55627415
if you can work from home you probably arent needed simple as

>>55628498
As a business owner, I think this is very sector specific. Call centre drones and things where kpi's can be managed with a crm system, working from home is fine. Middle management, ie people who are sufficiently financially motivated to perform well in isolation, that's fine too. Tech, sales, other sectors that require constant motivation/briefs/people being on hand instantly not so much

>>55627494
>Cool it down with the Antisemitism.
Anon, that's not the quote, picrel is.

>>55628564
This is not a thread for reasonable takes, but that is correct. There are some jobs that will never make sense fully remote or even partially teleworking. If you work in a SCIF or with very sensitive information, you need to go to a secure facility. If you do public-facing work, you need to be available to the public on a walk in basis at least part of the time. If you physically do shit, you need to be where the shit is.

But if you handle basic bitch information? If you're part of the laptop class? It makes no sense to strain the infrastructure, and pay for extra office space costs when you can shift those burdens to employees who will gladly pay them. Fire the fuckers that can't produce. Fire the fuckers who can't manage without physically creeping around a physical space. Do what makes sense for your fucking mission, you stupid twats.

This isn't hard.

>>55627415
Because everybody was doing no work and the big companies like Amazon, Meta, JP Morgan, etc. started to monitor productivity and realised what was happening. People can't be trusted.

WFH is a meme unless youre a schizoid/autist.

I 'worked from home'. Not really but I started an online business straight outta university and had no need to interact with anyone. No colleagues, no customers, no business partners. All a one sided affair. It took about 2 years before I went utterly and completely insane. By the end I was so socially deprived I started daydreaming about robbing the local shop so that I could go to prison and have a social life with other prisoners. Obviously I didnt want to become a criminal so I removed myself from that situation and im doing better now. I decided im going to work (part time minimum) for the rest of my working career now even if im making bank on the side. I need it as an introverted person

>>55628249
People love to embellish the truth, especially online anonymously. What they really mean is they once spent a day doing 2 hours work and this suddenly becomes "Half the time I barely do anything" and by the next recantation of the story its "I work 2 hours a day max"

>>55627415

>im entitled to keep the same salary i had while I was working in an office in a HCOL area even though i moved to bumfuck nowhere

no, fuck off. you would've never been paid a third of what you made in SF or NY if you were being hired out of fucking nebraska or kansas city. i have a bunch of these cunts at my company and i hope they all get laid off

>>55628617
tl;dr you're a fucking loser who has zero social interactions outside of work. btw they aren't you friends, although you lie and say they are.

>>55627415
kek reminds me of my work and how they would provide transport from town to the work site ~30-mins away. it started off everyone would meet at a set location and be dropped off at a set location. then it evolved to some poor admin bitch pressured into having to drive around town to everyone's houses. this went on for about 3-6 months until one of the manager's caught on and stopped it because fuck you cunts, meet at the location, fair for everyone, the admin aint your uber driver. This caused a complaint:
>b-but i sold my car because i was getting picked up from my house
dick head.

>>55627434
>Once again, everything in America hinges on propping up the cost of shelter and making sure it creeps up endlessly.
That's the GDP of literally every nation tho, if the one thing we have leveraged (real estate) falls the economy dies.

But yeah it's a little suspiciously antisemitic to suggest solutions to that system, given the mechanics of modern banking.

>>55627415

Amazon basically owns South Lake Union (it's a district in Seattle) and they like to hire cheap shitskins and chinks managed by a white person to staff those offices. When last I checked they REQUIRE their shitskins to live within so many blocks of their offices.

Also look up "bezos' balls"

>>55628391
There's nothing wrong with Seattle Portland San Francisco or any of these places it's just that everyone on the west coast is a soulless spurge everyone is a lonely degenerate beaten down little creature that has come to love their cage they're actually conservative like really truly conservative whereas for instance in the south and the Gulf and the east coast and stuff people are boisterous and flamboyant even conformist normies really wear what they are on their sleeve and tell you what they think even if their opinions are complete Fabrications from sources they're not even aware of the most live laugh love person is really shaking you back and forth telling you to have a good one whereas as much personality as a Washingtonian can display is telling you to put the mask over your nose

>>55627415
>Why did the working from home dream die so fast?
The biggest proponents focused too much on the home part and not enough on the working part.

>>55628760
This is a lie. You've imbibed this from some hack journalist paid to write this. This is why you believe this, if you're not just being mischievous. The truth is you're not as subject to the gaze through your little VPN work laptop as you are there in your office. You actually open and close ticket whatever it is you do as opposed to whatever your company calls 'additional duties' you know some higher up just grabbing you and saying "tomorrow we're going to need you on this project". Tell me if you own commercial real estate and you have a salaried worker why don't you want them next to someone incentivized to pump their output all day everyday all the time why do you want them literally doing their job that's not enough right exactly.

>>55627742
You can seethe all you want, but reality didn't ask for your opinion.
Wfh is here to stay, period, end of story.
Cope or rope.

>>55628647
You think my work colleagues arent my friends because you are shit at socialising. I excel at making friends at work. Out of 25 people in my job I'm good friends with at least 10. Good enough friends to meet them outside work on a weekly basis

You're getting mad because you're realising that sitting home all day isnt great. Its ok bro, youll make that crypto bag one day

>>55628741
I’m telling you why the west coast whites are are soulless degenerates, and the truth of why they’ve always been this way for the past 200 years. These were the rejected subhumans that the rest of the country didn’t want. Read up on Portland’s history. Back when it was a small port city 99.9% White it was one of the most dangerous places in the world at the time

>>55628632
>the story its "I work 2 hours a day max
But that gets screencapped and posted on twitter and then employers think it's true and people like elon start seething that everyone has to come back to the office because of larpers on 4chin

>>55627415
So these people wanted the simplicity and security of the rural life with the elitism and pay of the big city?

>>55628832
i have a gf and family and friends outside of work. sorry you're a fucking loser. lmao.

>>55629030
>outside of work
interesting way of saying "when i m dreaming"

>>55627673
God I need to move to Eastern Europe

>>55628832
None of those people consider you their friends in fact must be relieved each time their clock is off and don't have to see your 4channer face until the next day, fucking loser

>>55628479
No worries retard, I’ll keep stacking my WFH jobs, make $400k a year to work 40 hours a week max, and retire in 10 years while you’re a good wagie into your 60s

>>55628832
>he thinks work friends are friends
No wonder you hate wfh and want to work in an office, you're a fucking autist that doesn't understand interpersonal dynamics.

>>55627713
I'm the biggest extrovert you'll ever find in a male. I consistently score in the 95th percentile on every personality test. FUCK COMMUTING.
>wake up an extra hour early to wear your human dog collar and look presentable
>drive 30 minutes to and from work at best
not paid for this
>waste money on gas
not paid for this
>wear and tear on your car
not paid for this. FUCK COMMUTING.

>>55628632
>>55628894
True, even the suspicion alone that this is happening might be enough to piss them off and cut it out completely. You simply can't monitor people as effectively at home as you can at the office and there's not really a way around that.

>>55628409
Wrong. I WFH 5 days/week and there's nothing better.
>It's a pretty simple argument. You are straight up more productive at home as you are in the office, end of discussion.

So glad these WFH tranny lovers are getting called back into their office in the city. Time to leave my small town you dumb fucks should never have bought a house here.

>>55629071
i work from home, nigger.

>>55629071
YOU VILL LIV IN ZEE COCOON
YOU VILL EET ZE BUGS
YOU VILL BE ZE BUGS!

>>55627738
>Bellevue
The fuck you on about? Bellevue is way nicer and less black (I repeat myself) than Seattle and all the others.

>>55627983
wouldn't niggers be considered goyim too?

>>55628429
Do you make more than $5k a month tho? Also
>flexing with 1.5btc

>>55628429
mogged you faggot foreigner

>apply for job
>HR lady is 74 and automatically rejects me despite easily meeting all the requirements
Why don't these cunts ever retire.

Do you think amazon will let me wage for them?

>>55628741
Seek help dude. Holy shit

>>55627415
>Graphic designer
It never die for me

>>55627415
Consulting firms should be a safe space for WFH. You occasionally have to see a client in person but other than that it’s WFH.

>>55627436
>>55627434
Scumbags.

>>55628308
None of this makes sense. At least they havent made traffic zones in burgerland and force you to take public transport to your mandatory rto, yet

>>55628162
The "solution" is to outsource every possible WFH job. There is no reason to keep those jobs in 1st world countries.

If you currently WFH, you will either be roped back into the office or replaced.

>>55627531
That's not true at all. Europe ended WFH, we still have it in a mixed capacity, and we're exceeding them like its the 1950s all over again.

>>55628032
based

>>55629708
>>55628429
>No XRP

>>55629651
no, they are niggoyim

>>55627441
Based freelance downsizer

>>55627531
No, productivity tanked because wages fell by 30% in real terms over 2 years due to debasement, stop debasing and there will be an end to the horror

>>55628162
>If the employee isn't performing and meeting deadlines, then fire them.
Exactly. One small problem, boomers and tiny hats refuse to pay enough to attract workers that will perform, so they're left to whine through the media about "muh quite quitting, muh zoom zooms don't have work ethic" etc
>>55630173
Can't get first world performance without hiring a white(no, slavs don't count) or jap, simple as.

I wfh and probably end up doing less hours, not because I'm doing less work but because 2 hours of an office-based day is wasted on mindless small talk and drivel.

>>55630297
>Europe ended WFH
not true here, CEOs and supervisors in my company still work from home 4 days a week and doubled our workload instead. Even in my dads company most people still work from home.
WFH only ended for the low tier wagies

>>55627531
> implying that women were ever productive.

>>55627415
Wagies forgot you can't get pussy in the office and got too horny to resist mr shekelbergs request

>>55628409
>Yes, you will. Again, this isn't your decision to make lmao.

I WFH 5 days a week in the UK where we're more open to WFH. If I was forced to go back, I would quit since it's a 2.5hr drive each way. My company doesn't want that as it will be hard for them to replace me.

>>55630173
WFH has nothing to do with jobs being outsourced. If they could have done it earlier, they would have. They don't because jeets are retarded.

Also, I have a job that can only be done in this country by regulation, so suck ma dick.

>>55628832
They arent your friends bozo


go back to plebbit you assclown

>>55630893
Same. Next office day is September. Financial role, can't be carried out abroad due to regulatory restrictions. Force me back in and I'll quit and go contracting for £600 a day.

>>55628032
really makes you think what happened in 1971(tm)?

>>55627673
matché avec des bots

>>55627415
>die
I have no idea what you're talking about, honestly. I have been WFH full-time since 2018.

>>55627415
Kek, I told so many fags in 2020/2021 that this would happen because it's economically impossible for everyone to just "work from home!!!" 24/7. I was told that it was the future and that the CBD model was "dead". Yeah.

>>55631511
>it's economically impossible for everyone to just "work from home!!!" 24/7

>Go to office - sit at computer all day
>WFH - sit at computer all day
>It's impossible!!!

Wut

>>55628849
why do you hate west coast so much jew boi ?
we have sunshine beach and cali girls better than ur east coast hags

>be NYC metro are recruiter for 10+ years spamming ads and LinkedIn making 250K per annum average over last 5 years and never leave my comfy New Canaan rownhouse
Feels good man. Also fuck millenials and zoomers, do you guys know you make less per year so HR can pay me fee? Enjoy paying my SSI for life niggers, retiring in 5 years lol

>>55631437
you wish incel

>>55631567
>250k leafbucks

yeah so absolutely nothing

wfh is a solution for solving overcrowding streets overpopulation in the cities
welcome to the pod life where u will not be seem except around ur house/apt
its a temporary solution next to depopulation of the masses
wfh trend will go on until cyber monad is achieved

>>55631567
>t. boomer
get lost

>>55627415
I'm WFH thougheverbeit

>>55631587
>>250k leafbucks
Ha retarded millenial thinks NYC metro are is in Canada, no wonder your whole generation covered in tattoos and Syphilis. Tonight i will fuck a millenial slut from Tinder and I wont even spit on her spincter before I fuck it, but I will call her a name of your choice, pick a name for me to call her broke bitch ha ha shed rather suck my wrinkly old ballsack than be with a half queer broke mullenial boy ha ha. NAME?

Nobody that had a WFH job had a good or important job anyway.

>>55627464
Waggle waggie time to get back in the cagie

>>55630807
Wfh revealed to me that I have basically no work at all to do. I spend maybe a few hours per month doing work. Then a few hours per week on phone calls and in meetings. The rest is just wasted time. I’ve started going fishing in the middle of the work day.

>>55631567
>Enjoy paying my SSI for life niggers, retiring in 5 years lol

don't worry, we've got that covered, we'll just dump the entire west. no neetbucks for you old man. that's what you get for eating your children SATAN.

>>55629333
All the companies love to talk about “protecting the environment” but they are demanding everyone go back to commuting to the office. Commuting creates pollution. The whole environmentalism thing was a larp for virtue signaling

i feel like as a man if you WFH u gay

>>55627415
Because people are spineless

>>55627480
>Seattle
>Niggertown
nice way to show you don't have any idea what you're talking about. Probably some basement dweller from a shithole country LARPing as if you know anything about the US.

Simple

To keep the slave (labour) based socialist economy going

>>55629708
Sell that shit and buy a car you imbecile

>>55627415
Lindy man is a giant faggot and so are you. Fuck off

>>55627464
In other words (((socialism)))

>>55627415
It only did in the US because you fags are cattle.

>>55627840
>If you really do have a gf you cheat on, i don't think its a cool thing to brag about.
I swear only in America you have this sentiment, everywhere else Europe especially men brag all the time about their new achievements - the more the better

>>55628308
Climate change is important long term but short term all the investors don't want their money gone so they pressure politicians..

>>55631637
Define "important" because its definitely good.

>>55627436
>corporate bootlicker
>wanting to prop up real estate market by the people that fuck you over

Brainwashed useless retard. Worse than a normie. A drone.

>>55631567
You need $300k in NY to have the same purchasing power as somebody else making $100k now lmao. You’re a poorfag sorry anon.

>https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/$300k-is-the-new-$100k-in-nyc.-heres-how-taxes-and-costs-affect-u.s.-cities-2023-study

>>55631912
I already have a car and house you retard. My net worth is 7 figures.

>>55627415
>Why did the working from home dream die so fast?
HR roasties did this. Same as intersectionality. HR had to find a way to see useful so they made up shit and got scum of the earth hired so they could seem like they have a competent place in the workplace.

>>55627673

Wow bro, you matched with bots. After swiping on 100% of women, you now have a 1% match rate. Congratulations.

>>55627415
This does not apply to anyone with a remote worker designation. As in, non-hybrid workers. Mostly IT, customer service, and some sales folks. Advice: When you take an offer from a company that does remote work, make sure you are listed as REMOTE and not Hybrid or even assigned an office location.

t. AMZN STEM chad

>>55631974
>Leftist bootlicking the government
>Conservatards bootlicking corporations
>Corporations and government are super-friends

Cool

>tfw i live in the countryside right next door to my work

>>55630173
Work in my field was done from home before the plandemic. WFH is here to stay and boomers will seethe.

>>55627415
Jews

The problem with the country is the banks wrote a metric fuckton of mortgages and sold them off as MBS paper and there are trillions of losses set to implode. So all of those losses basically get put onto you.
If you remove the leverage from the system or at least create a sensible cost of capital through interest rates then you won't have these types of scenarios that compel even more malinvestment to offset the bad decisions of the past. In a normal economy, the prices of things like housing and commercial real estate should be allowed to fluctuate. But once you leverage up the prices to absurd levels and people start walking away then you have a problem. We now have waaaaay too much and it is waaaaay too expensive. Supply/Demand would imply that prices should be going down.
The banks were chasing after short-sighted profits and giving out way too many loans and they even went so far as to create government owned enterprises in FNMA & FHLC to dump these loans off on to so they can recoup their capital quicker in order to generate more fees. Basically using the tax payer like a cum dumpster. Corporations do the same thing with welfare and medicare, basically tying a noose around the workers' neck and refusing to pay them anything because unaffordable healthcare puts you at a disadvantage.
The only way to oppose capital is through AUTHORITARIAN collective action. Libertarian ideals are no threat to capital and why it is pushed so hard to inexperienced college kids.

>>55633096
Feels good man

>>55633149
yeah we basically need a new hitler than can unite the collective people under fascism and then do what they did to the banks

>>55627531
Nope and fuck you. I’ll trade crypto while working faggots devote their lives to employers who take advantage of them

>>55627931
Yes you will dipshit when your people who sign your paychecks make you. You are a woman so probably nothing you do is productive anyways

>>55633149
>libertarianism is pushed so hard to inexperienced college kids
lmao what?

>>55627415
Because your employer can stay solvent longer than you can stay unemployed.

>>55633202
A highschool freshman can easily understand that the use of exponents in the monetary system is basically a guarantee to transfer all ownership of capital into the hands of the 1%. The point being is cash and debt are both fungible and spend the exact same. However by extending credit (debt) they can basically bid up prices for everything and then the debt acts as a siphon to extract real wealth. The bid you out of the economy and make it so you can't even participate without taking on debt of you own. The stocks you invest in are backed by pennies on the dollar in terms of assets. You buy a house and by the time you paid it off you bought the bank a second house from all of the interest and fees you spent. Your payments to insurance and pensions all just go to the governmnet to prop up the deficit spending ponzi. So everywhere you look your contributions of capital and labor and being consumed and replaced with a toxic IOU that can never be repaid. That's the game here: take in good resources and replace it with a piece of IOU paper. The U.S. bond market is already over twice the size of the U.S. GDP. It's all fake. It's been spent and consumed and all that is left is to monetize the debt and have all us write off the losses.

>>55633256
Libertarian ideas are pushed by the Koch brothers to college students. It's a hamster wheel for young and dumb kids to entertain themselves with ideology rather than real world practical economics. Once kids leave college and enter the workforce to pay back student loans, cars and mortgages they almost never have time to entertain more esoteric ideas. However, when they are in college they need a good time waster that promotes atomization, liberalism, and ideology over practical solutions.

>>55628308
Yea got, be locked in your home 24-7, you will work and recreate only within your home and only leave when the government tells you it’s safe to and only if you’re not creating carbon emissions beyond the amount the government wants you. You are morally obligated to secure the earth’s healthiness for future generations who will do the same thing

>>55628479
>Obedience before productivity
This is how I know you don't own a business

>>55627983
Immigrants don't fill downtown office space and buy $14 sandwiches next door without years of conditioning to consume and training to do incredibly mundane jobs. It's too late.

>>55627415
Ive been wfh for eight years.

>>55627721
This. Just cause a handful of large corps are trying to come back to the office doesn't mean wfh home is ending. Truth is wfh is growing and its bleeding top talent away from offices. Wfh is here to stay. Corps that fight this will lose top talent.

>>55628409
>Yes you will, lmao. You have no power to negotiate, this isn't your decision to make
Wrong. When the office said they were calling everyone back I started applying for 100% wfh jobs. By the time the deadline to return to office came I had three 100% wfh offers to choose from. I quit the job trying to coerce me back and have been gainfully employed from home ever since.

>>55633312
then it doesn't seem to work at all considering how many zoomies are socialists & republicans
>over practical solutions
i don't think that putting a paper in a little box every 4 years is a good practical solution anon

>>55628496
This anon gets it.

>>55628498
>face to face and personal relationships do help with networking, promotions at a current job,
Completely meaningless. The only way to get ahead in the modern world is to quit and take a job somewhere else. Networking in one office is worthless. Networking outside the office is true networking value.

>>55627434
This. We were all suppose to be working from home anyway. That's what they said about the future in 1999. You zoom zooms weren't even cum stains then

>>55634163
>i don't think that putting a paper in a little box every 4 years is a good practical solution anon
Not unless you actually have a political vehicle that is not part of the captured uni-party.

>>55633149
Accurate

>>55627415
My workplace told us we had to be in twice a week. I demanded a flexible working agreement because I'd moved out of London. They refused. I left for a better paying job and work from home every day. Simple as. Just leave for an employer that isn't run by boomers or women.

>>55627691
This and same. I'd rather work hard at home but you bet if I'm forced back my productivity is going to drop but I'll replace it with bullshit socializing so nobody could really call me out either.

>>55628617
This conversation isn't about self-employed one man business no social life no gf people

>>55627960
That's what I did and can do. I could go be a code nigger anywhere or bar tend or fell trees or whatever the fuck I want

>>55633277
so, is it a good idea to stack silver and gold because of what you just said?
i’m kinda young so i don’t really know what the best option is moving into the future

>>55627436
>>55627434
>July 5, 2021
On July 5, 2021, Bezos stepped down as the CEO and president of Amazon and took over the role of executive chairman.

just remember the media always attacks bezos and not CEO Andy ((Jassy)

>>55627415
corporate real estate investments

>>55628308
This. Notice there's barely any greenfags talking about the destructive practice of commute. But fuck us for trying to save money using natgas

>>55627480
The pacific northwest doesn't have a lot of niggers. The only ones there are from California or are adopted by christian families.

>>55628391
I bet 95% of the people living there don't trace their ancestry back to the Oregon trail pioneers

>>55627498
>e

get the fuck off my board

>>55627415
>things that never happened

>>55633452
Oh no! I don’t get to got into the heckin city filled with niggers! Whatever will I do !

>>55633096
Same I demand only remote work. Id they don’t like it, fuck you I’ll go somewhere else

>>55628308
Because it was always bullshit social signaling, they never believed in it

>>55627415
they're just going to turn the majority of those offices into living pods eventually and deduct the rent directly out of paychecks.

It's inevitable that B&M businesses like restaurants, banks, grocery & drug stores, as well as schools are going to be nonexistent in our lifetimes. Everything that requires a physical space like hospitals, gas stations, etc. will be minimalist at best

>>55628429
>>55629708
>using ledger

>>55627415
I worked from home for Raytheon for 3 years and during that time I think I did maybe 15 minutes of actual work. Total.
I understand why they're ending it. If you don't, then you got got. You failed to take advantage.

>>55627415
When someone WFH out of state dosen't the company have to handle pay roll taxes in both states?

>>55636709
Depends on the States.

>>55627415
Still working from home. Still only "working" 2-3 hours a day.

>>55636585
Data scientist? When will they learn our field is actually a meme

>>55627531
this is retarded. work from home people do the same amount of work they do in an office. It's just when they're in the office, they pretend to work for half the day or more

>>55627464
From what I've been told, a lot of office buildings are not easy to renovate to residential. The way the lifts are structured and the floor sizing screws it all up for efficient planning.
But in saying that, I'm sure they will develop apartments on fucky long rectangle scales like 20m x 2.5m floor plans.

>>55634737
US are africa

>>55632892
cope incel

>>55627713
You are a woman

>>55631948
Cheating is subhuman though

>>55627773
Kys Then

>>55639418
shut up cuck mutt

>>55639493
It is tho

>>55639492
>>55639503
basedcuck

>>55639512
You no retard you are the söy scum here
>also france
My grandpa conquered it in 4 weeks

>>55627415
Lol I won’t work if it isn’t from home 100%

>>55627461
We need a crypto 100x across the board to save us from imminent economic collapse
>>55627494
#conserveIsrael

>>55631879
he literally said he was from eastern europe you mongoloid
holy fuck. ameriburgers are so braindead, BUY YOURSLEF A BRIAN, MORAN

>>55627441
utemeljen
yтeмeлјeн
baziran

>>55639524
now germany doesn't even have tactical nukes
ahahahah

>>55633149
I was thinking based and Austrian pilled until that last paragraph. Authority is always abused. Take away the authority and there's nobody for the evil capitalists to buy off for their own benefit.

Maybe it's just because i'm not some well educated 45+ yo engineer, but this isn't the end of the world.

Don't upheave your family and subject them to the disgusting west coast. Instead just buy a shitty discount airline unlimited flights pass, nail down some crashpad (optionally fucking some young sluts in the process if you're degen), and do your three days. Wire up your house to keep an eye while you're away.
If approached correctly your familial bonds and overall QOL may improve. Wasting away in a stagnant suburban/rural town is comfy, but you'll inevitably develop an environment specific brand of rigid. This would eliminate that issue.

>>55639693
Good
Our government deserves no power

>>55627415
I say it in every other thread, it is because of boomers who have no social life outside of work, and are bagholders of overpriced real estate. Day of the pillow can't come soon enough.
>>55627441
I am an Israeli who is forced to work hybrid, while my Romanian outsource "coworkers" work remote and chill from all around Europe. One is working from Italy, another from Netherlands. Meanwhile I drive as a cagie wagie in the country with the worst commute times in the OECD because Mr. Shekelberg (not too far off from his real name) thinks that office small talk drives innovation. My ass it does, ideas are born in garages, the rest is codemonkeying to deliver the final product.

>>55640158
~90% of boomers are tired now so that is nonsense, and they never had a social life at work either, or any kind of life, cause they're morbid narcissists; they exist to eat and watch tv

as for their real estate, they have the full backing of all central banks and are the main owners of rental properties

>>55627415
>tfw so much of a shut-in with no life that I actually appreciate 2 days in the office every week
Would have been a rotted corpse otherwise

>>55640158
A lot of companies have started doing that differential treatment bullshit. It seems that degenerate "travelling" is somehow a legit excuse to not come to the office, meanwhile people who have actual reasons to wfh are still expected to commute at least 2-3 days per week. I have seen it in several places.

>>55640158
dont talk with me disgusting kike

>>55633277
best post buried in the middle of the thread

>>55640635
Have sex

>>55634106
don't give me hope

>>55627415
If you haven't accumulated savings and had a back up plan it's totally your fault for being dragged back to the office.

>>55640158
>work hybrid

I never understood this. It's the worst of both worlds. You limit your talent pool to people who live close again. What's the point?

>>55633277
unfathomably based anon

>>55634577
if you don't own land or real estate it's a decent means of 'insurance' so to speak. i aim for about 5-10% in gold as this amount significantly reduces portfolio volatility.
ironically it's performed just as well as any other investment of mine, but i don't expect that long-term. it smooths out the bumps and ensures i can probably pay the bills for a year if bad things happen in the markets

>>55627415

Two years ago my employer tried to force us from wfh to hybrid. I knew that would be the slippery slope back to the office, so I tried to work out an arrangement to keep me home, and figured that I had some leverage due to being a good wagie (had good raises every year, everyone in the office liked me, got awards during COVID for wfh productivity, etc.).

They refused to budge, so I resigned. Boss broke into tears and everything, but I left with four weeks notice. The roastie they hired months later to replace me turned out to be unhinged and lasted less than a year. So far its been a year and they've retained some cuck that's always at the office. During this time I've been asked back by higherups, my former managers, etc. However, they will never budge on wanting me back in the office for at least several days during the week. Fucking retard-ass boomers. Give low quality terms? Get low quality wages. Enjoy the race to the bottom...fucking retards.

I haven't waged a day since I left. Thank you for freeing me Sergey and giving me options. Never returning back to the wagie cage and never been happier.

>>55628498
>muh face to face
There are these things called webcams. Don't blame WFH if your company boomers are too retarded to turn on their webcams. My brother got promoted in his remote work dev job because he is as charming through the webcam as he is in real life.
>>55630173
You have never worked with non-Anglo workers. Not only do they have a heavy unintelligible accent, they also have shit tier work ethic, they have a different culture, they likely live several timezones away, they have different holidays, and generally they are less talented. If you could outsource all jobs to the third world, it would have been already done 30 years ago.

>>55627498
I work to look after my family.
People who do it because it's part of their life make me want to puke.

>>55642475
based

>>55627467
horrid traffic

>>55628308
you will take the train and bus and like it

Seattle commute chads... we are so back. Look how they fear our power. We have the patience of a monk dealing with traffic and I love going into the office

>>55639658
Those are taxed heavily in Seattle. Cheaper to rent.

>>55627415
>they say come back to the office
>quit immediately, finds another wfh
>watch old company go out of business
>watch commercial real estate collapse
>comfy af
>shiggy to the diggy

>>55627415
>implying that all the ones who truly loved moving to those flyover states wouldn't just say fuck it and become ranchers
Those few years of living cheaply while making coastline money would definitely give them a hell of a nest egg to live off of while they find their way in the ranching world

>>55627415
I just realized. You could make good money impersonating these employees and going in to work for them so they can stay far away

>>55643852
Gattaca style

>>55642475
You had me until you said:
> Thank you for freeing me Sergey and giving me options.

>>55640158
thats unfortunate for you, jidovanon
as my fellow romanians, once im finishing my current rentoid contract my coworkers will only see me during the christmas party.

>>55630173
Good lord that would be a fucking catastrophe. When I worked with people offshore, we would waste a ridiculous amount of hours fixing their fuck ups. You can use them for some jobs, but not for everything

>>55643911
Why is that?

>>55630173
and yet here we are with employers begging/forcing people to come back.
apparently they could hire a shit 3rd worlder at 1/4 of the price, but yet they don't.
western labour has the power, they just don't realize it. businesses can't hire undereducated people from the 3rd world.

>>55627415
I would put money on this is their way to lay off people they didn't need any way.

>>55627415
If commercial real estate crashes the market crashes, they will never let that happen.

>>55634223
Don't forget the four day work week

>>55644567
If I had to work in something that isn't tech or sales I would have killed myself. Literally cannot fathom commuting to some dump in the US of A just so the boomer economy and the spic-nig cycle they created can stay afloat.

>>55629071
>When we built this multi-family complex we made a big mistake - we lost money. We gave them small gardens and windows, we installed water, lighting, and heating systems. This was a wrong concept. A man doesn't need a home, all he needs is a shelter. If we can sell him on the idea of a shelter, we can make millions. A worker will come here only to sleep, he won't need electricity or water. He won't have to cook, we'll condition him to eat at the factory.
https://youtu.be/FASvJF21yXU?t=113

>>55627531
>Doing the exact same work in a less comfortable environment is better because... well, it just is, okay!?

>>55630173

Only problem with that is Ranjesh has absolutely zero communication skills, and is even stupider and more lazy than domestic workers. His only saving grace is that he'll do the job for $5/hr, but you also get commensurately poorer quality work from him as well.

Jeets will also lie through their teeth when they fuck something up at work instead of admit and own up to it. Just part of the culture.

>>55639046
At some level of price collapse making each floor its own giant apartment is the easiest fix.

What role is the best for salarymaxxing?

I mean, I guess CEO, but besides that, being just a worker drone

>>55628409
#1 Goy

>>55638482
this. I'm never fucking going back. I am highly skilled, my skills are in demand, I will take them to my grave before I sit in a fucking office to make some do nothings feel like they know what's going on.

>>55627498
Simple solution: those who want to be in the office can go.
You will find out how many people enjoy hanging out with you and how many are obligated to.

>>55627415
They realised that the amount it costs you to exist and commute in a big city is critical to the economy.

>>55646477
More like they realized without the office towers there's no reason for big cities to even exist now that transportation is heavily automated (containers, etc.) and industry figured out sprawling factories in the countryside were superior. Cities are stuck self-consciously larping as their past selves.

>>55627415
Those poor, hard done by millionaires and billionaires might have to take a percent hit to their portfolios and we cannot allow that to happen. Better that the majority of people suffer so that the few at the top don't have to learn to live with less.

1. Everyone was talking about during the pandemic about how much productivity increased. My brother's job had some shit heels who abused it and got called in early. Its all about social control/proppign up CRE.

2. How is Vancouver, Washington? I live i upstate NY, so in some ways they're better with no income tax and and being a shall-issue stand your ground state. I
3. How much damage would some jerk cause if they decided to flush paper towels down toilets. Surely this bad person would get caught somehow?

It didn't. You hear the 10-20% that got pushed back to offices after Corona throw tantrums on twitter while the rest of us are cozy as fuck and quiet. It's the future, the only argument against it is real estate price fixing and middle managers realizing they don't add value. The good companies realize it's the way to go but you don't hear them making big shitstorms in the news.

>>55646932
Washington has an AWB, although it's already being challenged on Bruen grounds. This place is going straight to hell. Only come here if you want to fight. Vancouver, WA is a suburb of Portland, OR so you'll also be dealing with insane drugged out antifa types.

>>55647010
I didn't know if they crossed the river or stayed in Portland. If you mean fight as in join Patriot Prayer, fuck that. I'm not playing Weimar Republic streetfight shit. I like living in an urban environment, but I like being able to defend myself and I've gotten fed up with NYS these past few years. Washington still seems like a libertarian paradise compared to New York.

I always laugh whenever I see obviously astroturfed articles about how great and productive it is to return to the office. I think WeWork is currently spending millions of dollars on youtube ads trying to push that same message.

>>55647043
Elections are 100% vote by mail so barring a miracle, progress depends on suing the Democrats in Olympia into doing their jobs and getting laws struck down. I don't think street violence is likely to cross the river but you never know with Portland.

>>55633149
>The only way to oppose capital is through AUTHORITARIAN collective action. Libertarian ideals are no threat to capital and why it is pushed so hard to inexperienced college kids.
False. There are no political solutions, but not in the poltard "violence is the answer" as violence is of course wholly political, there are no political solutions because politics is a memetic parasite that never fixes anything. There are only technical and economic solutions, and BTC is just that, a technical fix for the political corruption of Money.

As Greenspan correctly states, all we need to do is Short the Shitcoin, with BTC we finally have the technical means for practical grassroots capital flight from fiat, and the State can't do shit as it no longer has the memejuice to pull an FDR and criminalize BTC

>>55631314
>>55631314
On August 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon announced his New Economic Policy, a program “to create a new prosperity without war.” Known colloquially as the “Nixon shock,” the initiative marked the beginning of the end for the Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates established at the end of World War II.

Under the Bretton Woods system, the external values of foreign currencies were fixed in relation to the U.S. dollar, whose value was in turn expressed in gold at the congressionally-set price of $35 per ounce.

>>55631921
>socialism
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>55648041
I like how leftists complain about conservatives misusing the word socialism, when the left redefines every other word in English. Talk to me when racism is not prejudice+power, or when sex is different from gender.

>>55648372
In the context of the original post (>>55627464), where did OP talk about socialism? It doesn't make sense. There's no socialist system based on that; it's pure capitalism to what the OP was referring to.
>Talk to me when racism is not prejudice+power, or when sex is different from gender.
I agree on those definitions of racism and sex.

>>55630579
It's almost like they're functional neurotypical humans and not mentally ill idiots

>>55627415
Assuming you're not working for a company that institutes la-li-lu-le-lo Sons of the Patriots employee control systems like:
>oy vey goyim the shit sensor detected shit ten minutes ago, you've been on the toilet for 11 minutes
>oy vey goyim, it took you an extra 30 seconds to enter your password, time to work an extra 15 minutes
work from home is unfathomably better as long as you don't need specialized equipment (i.e. manufacturing, nondestructive testing, etc)
Even looking at it from a complete shitlib perspective:
>wake up
>move to your home office with natural light instead of shitty fluorescents
>don't drive your car 30-90 minutes shitting up the roads and environment
>if you're not an autistic retard or a boomer moron, call your coworkers over Teams if you have any quick questions
>set up meetings without space constraints
>delegated approvals make getting signatures so much fucking easier rather than waiting for people to return from OOO
>easy to get extra unpaid hours out of the goyim because there are psychotic individuals like me who can't separate themselves from work and take calls at 8PM while making dinner
>don't have to pay money for "quality of life" shit like company dinners and coffee machines

literally the only argument against WFH is "we misjudged the economy and renewed our 10 year lease on office space so now we're fucked"
people could see this coming MILES away. just fire the C-suite for being boomer morons. anyone with eyes could see that any company that works with quality, writing, or other vendors like that was using remote desktop, TeamViewer, and zoom to do meetings/access. It just needed a breakout and it got that breakout.
to see contractors and consultants using VDIs and remote desktop, and just assume "oh that's a cute little thing, never going to develop into anything" is a dereliction of duty and everyone pre-pandemic that went all-in on real estate deserves to get laughed out of business

>>55627721
Honestly this, I like my new region too much. If my company changes their policy I am going to call their bluff and just quit and join a local one for a pay cut.
Right now I am making sure the groundwork is placed so it will be a quick switch when all is said or done.

NEVER MOVING BACK, CITYCUX

>>55646943
>The good companies realize it's the way to go but you don't hear them making big shitstorms in the news.
The more quiet they are the easier it is to poach talent from the bigger companies

>Already updated my address to my mom's place 3 hours away
>Now if they force me back to the office I can either ask for a big pay bump for the cost of living or say "sorry, but I can't afford to do that"
>they fire me (or call my bluff)
>I collect neetbux until they run out or I find an in person job with some actual upward mobility (mechanical engineering major)
I have a feeling my company is about to call everyone back to the office. The other wagies are back 3 days a week, but I have an approved exception. Pays well enough at $75k a year I guess, but I really thought I'd be making more. Any position I move to though is gonna be not much more money and the added stress of commuting (since I have to move back to the big city again). So here I'll stay until they can me

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