/biz/ - Business & Finance

he isn't wrong

>>55577223
Based democrats supporting the choices of us goonmaxxing NEETs.

>>55577223
Lol at these disconnected boomers.

We aren't getting families, they've destroyed our women. We are getting houses. Why the fuck would we care about this country, WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR US HERE? holy fuck.

I got a one way ticket to vietnam next month and im literally never coming back. The american dream is now to be a passport bro.

>>55577223
Pay more and stop being insufferable that hate nerds that are on your team.

Simple as.

>>55577223
Holy based democrats
I'm ridin with Biden in 24
Republican chuds seethe at the non working millionaire

This country has shit on me for my entire adult life. I have thrived in spite of it, not because of it.

>>55577325
Post ticket larper

>>55577325
have sex incel
(unironically)

>>55577223
Is the situation really this bad, or are they just blaming the minority of men whose entire life is vidya and porn for their problems? The latest sexless chart I've seen only shows about 1 in 5 young men having a lifestyle like this. Sure, in my circle of irl friends most guys are single, but at the same time when you go out there isn't a single girl in sight, so that means there are still plenty of guys snatching them up that are successful out there.

>>55577223
force women out of the workforce and into the kitchen

>>55577302

It's old vs young dumbass

>>55577406
>at the same time when you go out there isn't a single girl in sight
there are teams of them, everywhere

>>55577406

>if you're a virgin you must also be a porn and video game addict
Another retard! Yay!

>>55577406
its just blaming easy targets like the media always does. the amount of things the world is collapsing over that has been caused by pr0n and vidya games according to the media is a large list. this chart is out of touch boomers that think the nintendo is still the hottest tech and kids all pllay sanic the gerbil. ignore their retarded takes on you must be back in the office.

>>55577406
Enough with the Anti-semitism. You have to return back to work, get debt and become a Man.

>>55577223
No women no family no work.

Seethe and dilate you tranny boomers

>>55577223
Deport niggers, make it legal to rape non virgin women who are not married and white men will work again

>>55577473
You will get those if you work hard and don't have a sense of entitlement like you seem to have. Your generation is spoiledand way work shy. Get a job you lazy bum.

>>55577223
I already had my balls chopped off, I'm not participating in your dumb public works scheme

Wagie wagie get in cagie.
The boss needs a new yacht don't be lazy.

>>55577493
Working hard does not guarantee women or a family in today's society due to hoeflation

I've gone to the gym everyday, worked 2 jobs making100k a year, 6 pack abs & still no gf or family

>>55577525
How tall are you?

>>55577223
they're looking at the symptoms, not the causes. so stupid. finger wagging isn't going to do shit. you need to fix the monetary system you faggots, fix the stealing a low wages.

>>55577525
Wait did you work 2 jobs earning 50k/yr each at the same time or have you had 2 separate jobs earning 100k/yr pace at some point in the last year?

>>55577493
Im 36 nigger with $3 mn in assets and no debt. You can seethe and dilate all you want, ill keep fucking escorts and you can come home to your nagging old hag every day.

>2023
>Caring about America
Please explain to me how I'm supposed to care about this drug addicted brainwashed goyslop trough of a country where 1/4 of the people don't even speak the same language as me?

>>55577223
I'm not a man - I identify as gender liquid and I'm voting Democrat, #BIDEN2024!!!

>>55577325

>We aren't getting families, they've destroyed our women.

Plenty of traditional women out there that want a family. It's just a lot of guys today can't handle a women who earns her own money and doesn't need to be kept in the house. Also the good women are often the average looking ones you often pass up because you want an instagram thot.


>We are getting houses.

I presume you mean aren't? If you want to afford a house you have to move out of major metropolitan areas and commute. Plenty of starter homes/fixer uppers in the rest the country.


>Why the fuck would we care about this country

Because it's not as bad as the media and doomers say on YouTube and social media

>WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR US HERE

You sound entitled and think you should start out at the top

>>55577223
Define "men".

>>55577406
They exaggerate to normalize depop. What? Did you think they publish research with true metrics for your awareness? It’s about controlling your behavior. If your behavior can’t be controlled there’s no reason to publish.

>>55577223
Okay, then give the man a livable wage that he can raise a family on and give him a virgin or at maximum one previous partner woman to marry and have children with. Oh, that's basically an impossibly tall order at this point? Sucks to suck, huh?

I'm not going to work hard for a country that hates me. If they get inflation under control, remove anti free speech laws and make it so someone can viably buy a house again then I'll consider it.

>>55577660
but russia hurt the pope's feelings!

>2023
>being loyal to real estate

Also, I want to point out this is about their commercial real estate bags.

>>55577423
>there are teams of them, everywhere
But you only need one, how do you approach a group?

>>55577223
>>55577302
>>55577325
>>55577330
>>55577331
>>55577333
>>55577654

Losers. Sad.

>>55577770
"hey"

>>55577602
>Plenty of traditional women out there that want a family
>can't handle a women who earns her own money and doesn't need to be kept in the house

>>55577781
>1pbtid

>>55577811

I guess our experiences in life are different because iv occasionally been approached by women who wanted/ talked about LTR's

>>55577811
you're literally a poster on an anime website, you aren't a traditional man by your own standards of what constitutes a traditional woman

>>55577223
AHEM,
IT IS TIME FOR WOMEN TO STEP UP BABY.
THE COUNTRY COULD GO TO SOME ROTTEN TWATS AND BEG THEM FOR TAX REVENUE.

The only people who seem to be doing good are immigrants, who come with their own system of getting married.ie getting married from their own community locally or abroad (ie same race, language etc).
the dating market in the west is as functional as our fucking congress, both sides make a lot of noice but nothing gets done. It is all shit. Men can literally live with only food and shelter, we only give a fuck because of family. Other than nuerotic psuedo men on wallstreet and fagman tech niggers, average person needs is a good family to come back home to.

IF THE COUNTRY CAN"T PROVIDE you can kiss my ass.

>>55577493
nah

The problem with them is that it's all or nothing.
A NEET with no marketable skills who aim to earn a living wage needs to work like 2 jobs or something. They'd be left with a shell of a life, no time for leisure and life, just toiling away all day every day.

If they want people to work, they should make it rewarding to work. Increase minimum wage to like $20 at the very least, and facilitate part-time and WFH jobs for those who prefer it. In fact just cut the standard working week to 30 hours for everyone.

>>55577349
is a 500 USD plane ticket a big deal to people on this board lmao

>>55577602
>the good women are often the average looking ones you often pass up because you want an instagram thot.

Imagine an "average woman" wanting to fuck a bunch of guys and not read books or whatever the fuck vs. a "thot" with standards

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/47F8jQD0JF8

Government issued gf when?

>spending your time not working... is not good for... your family

Fuck these absolute niggers. Every moment I'm around my children is the greatest benefit they can have in this world. Me spreading my cheeks for Mr. Shekelburg while my kids get raised by youtube is what will HURT my family and country.

>>55577223
don't care

No family
No housey
No workey

Very simpley

>>55577223
Family? What family lol. These whores don't want kids lmao

I don't even know where females are.
Not at my job, gym, school, highschool had 1 girl and 1200 boys, college generation had 2 of 200 people, get 0 swipes on tinder and bumble, am extrovert
Have abs, can dress, good job but a bit of a manlet.
Furthermore I do get mired in the gym but then next day their bf comes with them
Wanted to go to dance classes but it's all couples, old married ladies and other dorks with the same idea

Why am I even trying at all? Why am I saving for a house if I'm going to die alone?

Nmp. Not paying taxes. Not supporting the ZOG.

>>55577325
i dont blame you m8, ive been thinking about marrying a goldigger for my uk passport whilst i get a passport for their seemingly shit but actually decent land bro

>>55578404
Memes aside
For someone who is single buying a house is kinda not needed. Sure you can buy it to pad your asset pool but do you -need it-? No of course not. In fact you'd be better to rock an upscale apartment building that has incredible amenities, which a lot of people sleep on.
Sure apartments that cost $1500 a month aren't great, but if you get into the $3k a month area and up you start to see the other side of this discussion. Some of those upscale apartment buildings have absolutely everything you need, a gym, a grocery store, multiple pools, spas, massage stations, etc etc. You never have to worry about maintenance or your yard. And at those upscale places they have a maintenance guy in the building ready to go at a moments notice you could probably even get them to change light bulbs lmao.

Now if you want to raise a family yeah you gotta keep renting cheap so you can save up for that white picket fence life. You can't have a family in an apartment. Apartments when used properly are for single young professionals and professional couples with no kids.

>>55577550
BOTH anon BOTH

>>55577493
Excellent bait, I work 40 hours and don't have a car or pay rent, doing this extreme tactic I manage to save 1k a month for crypto. Mathematically I'd have to do this for 30~ years to afford a shithole 400k house. Assuming housing and food costs stays the same during that period
Now post nose, seethe, dilate, cope, go back, and then kill yourself

>>55577406
this image was deboonked

>>55577223
>Women drive 70-80% of consumer spending while men control the remaining 20-30%
Not only do they have to make money for the bossman, but what little they get in return gets spent by roasties kek

>>55577406

>>55578404
Have you tried being handsome instead?

>>55577223
>think about muh country
Neo cons are really delusional like that. They think straight men want to work for a country that actively despises you, next thing you know they will start shaming you for not joining the zogbot army

>>55577302
A majority of democrats still agree with that statement. It’s boomers.

>>55577330
Your pic is bunk
I am a retail manager who a child prodigy, SAT scores of a 75th percentile college bound senior at age 11. John Hopkins in middle school and all that
Dumbos just realizes you are smart and defer all thinking to you. They offload all the cognitive hard work to you and do what you say. Most leaders just aren't that smart, probably 120 or so and their ideas are dumb and the average people get a gut feeling they are wrong even if they don't know why..

>>55577493
>You will get those
how about we get the goods first

>>55577223
The problem is you can't enforce just part of the social contract. You need everyone obeying it for it to work and keep working. Think of it like a stone archway made up of separate stones. Remove a single one and the whole thing comes down.
The shot callers forgot (or don't care) about the very precepts that made civilization possible in the first place, so now we're going backwards.

>>55577223
fuck dems, being pussies it's all I expect from them, but wtf is wrong with that republican 19%? I need to talk to them

Based boomers.

>>55577406
>but at the same time when you go out there isn't a single girl in sight
Kek.

The reason you think this isn't because the women are taken, it's because the single women tell YOU they are taken, because they aren't interested.

>>55577223
what family? i'm not attractive enough for a women, my frame is too small and i've got an ugly face. no amount of lifting will fix it. a lot of us are in the same boat.

not gonna contribute to a society i'm not really a part of. i'm escaping that reality with muh vidya

>>55580096
This. The mediocre leaders alienate people because they aren’t as smart as they think they are.

>>55577406
>Is the situation really this bad
its much worse

>>55578837
tall*

>>55577406
The reality is pay has plummeted to the point that the cost benefit analysis favors cooming in your mom's basement all day. You can't afford a family anyway, so why bother? These Jews just want to pin the blame on the victim

>>55577325
You are completely correct, but you should be careful announcing this like you are. You may as well be shouting at the Matrix that you're leaving the Matrix. You aren't alone.

>>55577223
What are the incentives to work ? Some fat whore with stds and a mullato son? Ya fuck that, it’s cheaper to work less and live a low cost life with minimal hassles. Ie the juice isn’t worth the squeeze

never had a GF and I can't afford a home anywhere near by, plus local schools are all shitskins so I'd have to move far away anyways

>>55577223
maybe if work wasn't redundantly 8 hours long with a commute people would be more willing to work

the means of recreation and fulfillment are way easier to attain given the technology
people at home aren't as bored as they used to be when the internet/computers didn't exist

>>55577325
Spoiler: you'll get shat on in Vietnam too. Especially if you look white, people there will spit on you no matter how much money you have.

>>55577493
Enjoy your post wall 28+ triple vaxxed, blacked, tatted, pro abortion, anti gun, debt ridden, 40% body fat roastie

>>55581145
Yeah, when the right chad comes along all women are single virgins kek.

>>55579050
Tall white dude? IME having 2/3 of those predicts compliance much more than anything else (including intelligence). It has less to do with correctness and more to do with liability (and the ability to survive scrutiny).

>>55577223
Why would I give a shit about doing anything for this country? Everyone told me that it wasn't my country anymore.

Millenials these days are obsessed with their avocado toast and their smartphone addictions, and they expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. They're lazy and entitled, and they don't want to put in the hard work that my generation did to build this great country. They're destroying the American Dream with their lack of work ethic and their constant complaining about how tough they have it. And let me tell you, it's all because of that socialist agenda that they're pushing in schools and universities. They need to learn that the government can't solve all their problems, they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get a job

>>55582010
They're actually really nice in Vietnam, even to Americans.

>>55577223
What is he paying with?

Quite enjoying seeing this trend of men just checking out of society; it feels like it's the better option for many nowadays. There is no carrot left at the end of the stick and society expects us to run.

>>55577447
>the amount of things the world is collapsing over that has been caused by pr0n and vidya games according to the media is a large list.
It's amazing how porn and video games are the cause of all problems in the world yet we still can't ban them. Pretty incredible really.

>>55582235
boomer tldr; i got mine, fuck everyone else.
thanks gramps we knew that already

>>55582359
OY VEY that would be antisemetic!

>>55577293
He isn't wrong, but the article does neglect to mention the causes.

>>55582295
>What is he paying with?
The samething the ukraine pay its fighting age men who run.

>>55581545
sorry /fit/cel, you literally just have to be handsome. that's it.

>>55578695
Amazing how shills avoided replying to me

>omg mental health is so important, we need to fund treatment programs and get those with addictions the help they need
Also the same people who say this
>ughh fuck young men for being addicted to things. They should be working even though they'll never afford a house or a family
Wagies spend 100x more time thinking about people who just want to be left alone or are hooked on vidya than the inverse. There's 1000 commercials an hour for mental health virtue signaling and everyone shares posts on social media about "its OK to talk hihihih xD", but if I looked an adult in the face and told him I struggle with vidya addiction, I'd 10000000% get a grimace followed by shit talking behind my back

This isn't me bitching. I prefer articles like this because they actually are being honest how they feel. I just hate how these faggots will then in the next breath make some ramble about mental health when they don't give 1/50th of a FUCK about you

>>55582590
you dont have to have anything if youre tall

>>55582759
you don't have to be tall if you're handsome

>>55577654
Livable wages are still a thing, retard. Learn how to save, invest and manage your finances like a real man then. You can't start a family if you're gambling away shitcoins all day and making doordash orders every day

>>55582941
Hey amazing you ignored this post. How come?
>>55578695

>>55579050
>Most leaders just aren't that smart, probably 120 or so
The pic goes a way to explaining WHY midwits are more common in leadership positions you nigger

>>55577223
I WILL play video games
I WILL watch porn
I WILL NOT do anything for this country which has done nothing for me

>>55577325
based. stay safe don't try to be a hero, fren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qkQewyubs

>>55583001
Vidya games are for tweens and old, retired boomer fucks with nothng to do. Grow up and make something of youself and quit making your mama cry herself to sleep every night across the hallway from you

>>55582010
> t. Never been nor knows shit about Vietnam

>>55582941
Adding to >>55582972, convenient that you also ignored the part about a virgin to 1 body woman that will actually start a family with you. Did you know that only 5% of millennial and gen Z women today marry as virgins? Did you know that being a virgin bride means you have an 80% chance of your marriage being stable but even one body makes it drop to 54% and then from there it is just increasingly shit odds stacked against a man? How does you're little shit stain "Learn how to save, invest and manage your finances" advise deal with those facts? Because I'm telling you those facts are a big part of the reason why men choose to unplug from regular society and just jerk off and play videogames all day.

>>55577493
ive worked since i was 16, i have a house and 3 paid off vehicles. the women are dogshit in this country.

>>55583082
I jerk off to d.va rule 34 in between reading 10Ks, adjusting my portfolio weights, talking to customers, and playing CS:GO.

>>55582010
>I've never been to vietnam
Hey Glowie the west is fucked and we're out.

Believe it or not but work does have to get done at some point. I don't see how you could dislike work. Mcdonalds I get, but, with some luck, skill and intelligence (which is you lurk this website you possess at least one of these traits) you can move on to bigger and cetter things eventually.

I used to wash dishes for a spic restaurant and how I am pulling in 6 figures working.

>>55583827
It's not so much the dislike of working, but working when it feels that it only leads to this: >>55582941.

>>55577223
No pussy no work no taxes no fighting for kike wars

>>55578308
Most of them can’t even have kids even if they wanted them. Thank all the goyslop and Gardasil

>if you dont find a way to make money in your sleep you will work until you die
i havent found a way yet and work is flushing time down the drain

>>55577223
yeah... nah... fuck off.

>>55582941
Capitalism is a zero sum game, penny pinching your best years away is what led to today's absurd self improooovement and hustle culture. It never stops. The overachiever in 2010 is now the bare minimum today. Now you have retards working 80 hours a week to barely afford what their parents made with half that. You are a charlatan and a fool if you still fall for this treadmill.

>>55583827
>Believe it or not but work does have to get done at some point.
They don't was pay like it does. The whole interview process blows too. It's not even worth applying to any job.

>>55577325
i unironicly feel the same

even my own blood (family) doesnt seem to think there is any issue

>>55582010
lmao white people are treated like celebrities in SEA countries

>>55582322
What choice did we have. There's nothing but disincentives to participate if you're a straight, white guy.

>>55581145
makes no difference from my perspective

Someone post that compilation of post-wall thots looking for a "nice guy" after their pussy was used up by chads for the last 10-20 years

>>55582990
not just any midwit. Midwits with psychopathy.

Sorry Boomiggers I refuse to prop up your social security Ponzi scheme

>>55582235
.01/10

>Not working does not good for family or country
Guess what retards, you guys pushed nigger music and now White women are fucking niggers and I don't touch coalburners (STD statistics). I never got to have a family and this "country" is a joke. So no, I'm not quitting my videogames and not going back to work. Eat a dick.

well it's been about 100 years since the workweek was limited to 40 hours, 5 days a week by henry ford, maybe the powers-that-be can make it 32 hours, 4 days a week now

maybe then would people be willing to put up with work
that and make remote work way more widely available

>>55577423
Tranny, stop trying to look experimented when no one fucked you or ever will.

filed under "not my problem"

>>55577223
Mike Rowe for president!!!!

>>55577223
It’s crazy that Republican voters are poorer than democrats but they agree.
Bootlickers.

>>55582010
>people there will spit on you no matter how much money you have.
yeah, getting spit on his dick for a 5 dorrar sucky sucky while in america the fed spits on his face before taking all his money and assraping him on top of that

>>55577223
These men don't have families though

>>55577223
nah

id rather crash the economy, get a house for cheap and raise some kids with a loving wife

>>55585251
>redditspacing
>delusional
you will live in a pod with 3 other niggers but hey keep working on your "eat the rich" fantasy or something

>>55577325
>We are getting houses.
>WHEN THERE IS NOTHING LEFT FOR US HERE?
Answered your own question zoomer

>>55578404
>highschool had 1 girl and 1200 boys, college generation had 2 of 200 people
Where the fuck do you live in, china?

>>55577223
>Muh responsibility!
Lol - okay boomer.

>Doing nothing is unhealthy! Your entire existence must be dedicated to making money (which is completely fake anyway) for Mr Shekelstein!

>Your family!
What family?

>Your country!
That actively hates men, and calls whitey privileged and racist.

Kek, get fucked.

>>55577406
>but at the same time when you go out there isn't a single girl in sight
It's called the cock carousel.

>>55577223
Is this an appeal to die in some war for international jewry? I mean i agree with the message, but being an amerifat politician there surely is some ulterior motive, right?

>>55577493
>Get a job you lazy bum.
Low quality bait.

>>55577875
It's about values, not what you do in your spare time.

>>55582235
1/10

>>55582322
It's a very logical choice for many. The kvetching about it is hillarious. Meanwhile people are quite happy for Abdullah to Neetmax and pop out 10 children.

>>55582941
Wages in real terms have not kept up with inflation and/or productivity: fact.

Sure, triple my wages and reduce house prices by 50% and I'll gladly go back to work.
Not going to do that? oh ok, fuck you then, time to load up Skyrim after a good wank.

>>55577223
there's no point in working most jobs considering they pay fuck all relative to the absolutely insane cost of living. the new unofficial poverty level for white males is $70k rural america, $100k suburban, $120k urban. i'm at $100k suburban and i'm feeling it every day.

>>55577875
>>55577602
You’ll never be a virgin again and have children with a high value man

>>55585748
>t. low iq nigger

>>55577325
>I got a one way ticket to vietnam next month and im literally never coming back.

Henry Ford should have been president. America would be so much better off now.

>>55577223
>have a job
>spend money on porn and video games because nothing else is obtainable on a low wage

>>55586157
>spend money on porn and video games
I don't get it, those are free

>>55577223
I don't have a family. I don't have a country

>>55577223
Ok
With what incentives? white men already have no country, women are fat and no fault divorce is the norm. If you do end up having kids you have to send them to private schools because public schools are small gay prisons.
Fix this first.

What do western countries do for white men?

>>55577654
I married a virgin, took 4 years and going on over 200 dates before finding one that was marriage material and who would go on a second date with me.
Out of those 200 girls my wife was the only virgin. Its insane how open about sex the average woman is.

>>55578189
>missing the point this hard

>>55577325
I want to do this and I actually have a gf who is nice and a wfh situation. I just want 1-6 months over there

>59% of Democrats agreeing with it too because the only conservative opinion Democratic women have is that men should be working and banned from porn

>>55577525
you should move to Thailand and become a twink

>>55577223
nah fuck that. let the women do the heavy lifting.

>>55577223
God I hate boomers

>>55581236
you can still build cool shit and enjoy better hobbies. I'm also just average looking and enjoy going on trips to get some really top tier escorts around Europe and boxing/dirt bike riding for fun

>>55583082
>Grow up and make something of yourself
like what?

>>55577223
most people seem to miss the purpose of this piece of propaganda, its in line with that screenshot from pol that gets reposted a lot
the article has got nothing to do with waging for a boss look at the wording its completely different from anything ever said about joining the private workforce you dont do that for your country
no this add is about becoming a zogbot

as many have said the whole west is now openly hostile against white straight men and as such the standards in military recruitment went over a cliff, but that didnt matter thought our glorious leaders our tech advantage will win the war regardless even a 300 pound tranny can stop an advancing chinese battalion with modern automated nato standard weapons
but wait the recent ukrainian offensive equipped with all the nato weapons got blown the fuck out, turns out our mic was all about corruption just as bad as the russian military, so the planners in quite a panic figured out they will need hot bodies to fight real soon
problem there as nobody is signing up and a lot of people are simply not fit even as cannon fodder, you can taste the sheer desperation in the headline
they are using the age old tactic of making women demand military service in exchange for pussy and in ages past this was highly successful in getting the plebes to throw themselves in the meatgrinder for your benefit
but wait in current year after 3 decades of depop antifamily propaganda the women already dont wanna mingle with the average male and they have already retreated into porn so that angle will not work
also the planners cant even see that chad doesnt care he gets laid no matter so big very big problem to fight the next war
nato is going to get blown the fuck out so badly it will pretty much instantly destroy western power projection the world over

i for one am pleased at this outcome

>>55578189
it isnt about the ticket part its about the one way part you colossal retard

>>55577223
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>>55577223
Fair enough. Now tell the mega corporations that funded your election campaign to bring back the jobs they offshored or automated.

>>55577223
God I hate zoomers

>>55584989
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1689102154284117.webm

>>55585191
Anyone who says bootlicker has never had money in their life, fuck off back to your communism discord to whine about cars you dirty euronigger.

>>55581673
Lurk for 50 years

>>55577325
>>55581673
is this why people in america especially online hate "passport bros" so much? Because they know the implications that men are leaving the country and not supporting it? I've seen people call a passport bro a sex tourist or even a sex trafficker when they just date foreign women without even buying sex

>>55577223
Hahahafuck you ZOG

>>55577293
He's not wrong, but instead of promoting slavery, we should be promoting small business, entrepreneurship, community services and conservation instead of corporate feudalism and Walmart.

>>55577223
>your country
You lost me there.

>>55584527
It's a zero sum game, but the fed directly controls who the winners and losers are and they just happen to choose a very specific lineage over and over.

Honestly, find your passion and just work it. I absolutely think this is saturated advice sure, I didn’t believe it myself at one point, but I work a job I love right now and it makes all the fucking difference. There’s not much more I can say without turning this into rambling, but honestly the barriers in the real world are smaller then they seemed in your head and the knowledge you have stretches a lot further than you thought it would.

>you incels need to man up and sacrifice for our nation or whatever

but I want this nation to cease existing