/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55498956
how the hell people can be that retardet?

If you have a Job with easy Work and good pay a ton of people will start flooding into it.

An you know what?
Many IT Jobs can be done anywehre in the world, a German or US Company can simply hire some Ukrainian/Indian/Simbabwe guy to do the work.

The "learn to code" meme is dead, you actually need to be good now

>>55498956
which site allows you to see the number of applicants?

>>55498956
Here's a redpill for you anon. Work for a defense contractor. They are incredibly desperate for employees, especially in software engineering and cybersecurity. Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, and the millions of subcontractors. They only hire American citizens which is a plus. Very few women. You will have to get a clearance but that's easy to pass as long as you aren't a heroin addict or have close ties to Russia or china. Having a TS clearance opens up many doors in the future as well and offers crazy job security. Also, for cyber security in particular, most big tech companies hire from contractors and gov agencies because of the special experience it provides. I know people getting 50k sign on bonuses to work at Raytheon they are that desperate. The only downside is you have to work in a SCIF which is a literal metal wage cage

>>55498956
You were meant to make friends and connections while doing that degree. Getting a job through an online application like that is essentially impossible no matter how good you might be. You're meant to have friends you made at college and other jobs get you into your next job.

>>55498956
The whole point of college isn't to just get a degree, it's to develop connections
The only people who go to college for just a degree already have a foothold in a company and need a degree to qualify for a promotion.

>>55499026
>BRO JUST WORK FOR THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX LMAO

>>55499460
Working for big tech is just as ethically question, if not more so.

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>>55498956
I graduated in May of ‘22 and still haven’t found a job Anon.

How did you go $120k in debt?

Just take an 80k a year job and leverage yourself while you look for a better paying position.
>t. poorfaggot
I don't even have an education and know better than that shit, stop waiting for something to happen.

>>55499026
These people who complain they cant get a job are usually C grade students with no creativity they cant get any good jobs thats why they complaining

>>55498956
>>55499744

> Remote jobs.....jeets and african niggers replying as well....
Well duh you morons, do you retards not understand how hard it is to get a remote job from scratch?

The way to do it is get an in person position first and then move to remote within the company.

This is how you out compete anyone who isn't locally near you, you moron larpers who steal threads from /pol and 100% do not code a single fucking thing. Faggot.

Just for wasting my time, I will listen to some new Ransom kino music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vpKrqR7UrY

>>55498956
wait till AI replaces all entry level programming jobs

>>55498956
Learn to code =/= pay for a degree.
Build some stuff on your own and use that as experience when looking for work, or monetize it.

> people think tech job is easy bucks. Actually you'll spend your life working overtime for some dying software with a passive aggressive boss.

>>55498956
Only a handful new grads gets into a big company. You're supposed to start at some local company and then change job every two years. Can you even imagine how many grads applying for Google or Microsoft?

>>55499888

How is that possible? Where do you live and what's your specialisation?

>>55498956
This is caused by the same phenomenon that underlies inflation in credit-markets, namely the tending of velocity towards infinity. The debt-markets are as nominally big as they are because the velocity of capital is becoming infinite, and, analogously, in the labor-market, the velocity of labor is becoming infinite, with everyone applying for every job, and every company listing every job 10 times. As a result, the market becomes less and less efficient (almost independently of the real demand for labor, and in the financial case, almost independently of the demand for capital), with the efficiency eventually reaching sufficiently high levels as to render the market-mechanism inoperative, with a collapse being optional addition.
The dysfunction eventually militates alternative solutions (to the partially imaginary and self-caused problem): AI in the case of labor markets, alternative, non-rugging moneys (we know how the credit markets are; there's new shit every day) like Bitcoin, and regardless of the quality of these alternative per se - and they might really be superior in some sense -, they solve a problem one needn't, in principle, have.
Our natural rate of unemployment, to borrow a term from the Fed, is probably around 50% at this point, with entire sectors of the economy largely existing to provide nominal jobs to keep the unemployment rate low. This already is a work-program run by the private sector, and not actually economically beneficial. People at companies delude themselves into thinking that they're pursuing a purely economic rationale, and when it comes to stated KPIs, they are, but in reality, they hire people out of what is essentially the goodness of their heart so as to provide an income for them.
What an "acceptably low unemployment rate" is is itself grounded largely in the Protestant work ethic, i.e. "idle hands are the devil's playthings". Fair enough, but creating endless busywork is not a sustainable solution to this challenge.

>>55498956
If you're smart enough to do high level software engineering or IT infrastructure work, you shouldn't be working in IT. On average, the salaries are a joke now compared to what they paid in the past.

I was a computer dork as a kid and knew how to do basic programming and HTML work. This landed me a job straight out of high school in '98 for 68K through a family friend. Then I left that job a year later and went to work at a startup for 107K + 60K in stock options. That package is worth $310,000 in today's dollars. Those days are long gone.

Today most people will not even earn a fraction of that salary, when adjusted for inflation, while having to put in way more effort and time to learn so many nuanced skills to perform a much more complex job.

It's simply not worth it if you factor in the debt you'll need to take on and the potential 24/7 availability responsibilities (80 hour weeks). I recognized what was going on by 2006 with the amount of the outsourcing/insourcing that was being conducted by all US companies. I could see the writing on the wall for IT salaries over the long run and was luckily able to segue my career into the finance world through another connection at work. It was hard in the beginning, but I put in the same amount of effort as I did when learning IT and the payoff over the long run was huge. I am pretty much retired now in my 40's due to this one decision. If I stayed in the tech world, I'd be kicking myself in the ass versus the life I'm able live today.

Tech is a great field if you're enthusiastic about it, but the salaries don't adjust for inflation and have become completely watered down after being filled with 3rd world "talent". Focus on investing after accumulating some capital or securing a job at a mid-sized financial firm and trying to work your way up. Your knowledge doesn't matter as much in life as your connections do and the people who live closest to the river of wealth will always drink first.

>>55500057
this might be the smartest thing i've seen on this board in months

>>55500096
What did he write?

>>55500011
I live in the US. I have a software engineering bachelors and a biomedical engineering bachelors. I can’t even get an entry level job and have been trying to settle for $60k salary positions. Would love any advice you can give.

>>55500110
the economy is stupid

>>55500116
I graduated 2009 during the recession in Europe. I could not find any job i wanted. Eventually I took a crappy job far from where I lived and worked there for 6 months with an laughable salary (basically as a nurse in my country). Then I changed job got a nice raise, i kept doing that a few times and now I'm in line with the industry and work with what I like.

I have btw applied to google with my 10+ years of experience but never been called for an interview. You need to be really sharp for that.

>>55499218
Don't black pill OP like that. he might off himself tonight.


> barely 3.2 GPA plus 500 potential lead generating network of people and friends >>>> 4.0 GPA kissless friendless semi genius semi retarded perpetually online faggot

>>55500083
what industries do you think will remain the most competitive? I already jumped ship from mechanical engineering into swe couple years ago but I can already see the same issues manifesting. All of my teenage family members went to coding summer camps (instead of robotics teams etc.) and companies are desperately pushing for women in software

>>55500096
Thanks. It's actually not smart, some guy down at a bar could have told you this. It only seems like some unbelievable conclusion because we don't see things clearly when we're viewing these systems from the inside - then, it seems like some incomprehensible mystery. We all grew up with money and were told that we had to get a job and this beliefs is reinforced daily, so we're too upset day-to-day to make a conclusion like "if there's 7K applicants for some random job, that probably means that everyone is just applying for every job he sees". It's just put into "academic language" using terms like "velocity of capital", but it's actually not more complicated than, say, a boardgame, and anyone intelligent enough to be able to explain the rules of a boardgame to you (like, at an actual table) could also explain this.
Doubtless some humans can understand stuff more or less slowly - maybe someone has to read something twice instead of once-, but a human of completely average intelligence could be given literally superhuman conclusions that the smartest person on Earth might not be able to derive, not due any lack of "smartness", but due to being systematically blind (i.e. begin too upset to see a fairly simple problem clearly). All humans are roughly equally "smart" if you want to call it that, we do all have nearly the same processing power; we just don't use it. It doesn't help that we tend to have life experiences like "going to school for 20 years where they tell you to shut the fuck up and not look at anything" (which is why everyone is "ironically" afraid of mathematics). "Smartness" is a kind of meme we made up, and we literally think that people have some "smartness-juice" inside of them. I know that this sounds ridiculous and I know that no one would affirm it, but the truth is that we all believe that to be the case. I know that because the supposition that such a "juice" exists is evidenced by the feeling of "this person is smart".

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>>55499026
theyre desperate to hire because everyone with two braincells to rub together realized no amount of money can compensate for the fact that youre working for absolute bootlicker boomer fascists
I'm in just such a position where these stupid bomb factories are the only option I have left, and I'd rather pour lattes for a living

>>55500169
> Women in software
If there's anything easier for women to get a fat paycheck without doing anything. I've seen girls starting in companies and after 6 months been promoted to sr devs over guys with tons of more experience. It's even worse at management level. Litterally all managers at my current company are women despite men are 95% of the workforce

>>55500130
The statement is accurate, you did understand correctly, but it's defective. "It's true and false at the same time", one could say.
If you feel relief, then the relief you feel is due to a burden being lifted from your back. A bit of an "oh... huh", and then it doesn't feel so bad anymore, but you also feel stunned.
This is because a certain error is in your thinking. It has, I believe, become weaker, but you must also realize THAT it is there, i.e. that things, despite what they may seem, might not be what you think.
"The economy is stupid" is stupid in the sense that there is effective stupidity in the way it has come to function; it first become increasingly inefficient and, now that the inefficiency is reaching its zenith, it has also become to function in ways people could accurately describe as: "stupidly". I'm sure that everyone, no matter who he is, could mention some gripe with the financial system, whether it concerns CDO markets or how expensive the gas is (the smart and "stupid" person derive the same information, they just encounter it in different situations so the words they use to describe it differ).
"The economy is stupid" is false in the sense that it is a material necessity that it exist; it's maybe a necessary evil to facilitate the matching up of supply and demand for goods/funding/etc.), and it's necessarily somewhat evil in that it has inefficiencies by virtue of being a human-made, non-perfect technology, and thereby it tends to corrupt the decision-making and preferences of humans who participate in it over time. However, it's little use just calling it "evil" and leaving at that, or even destroying it without any alternative in place. A Communist society isn't, to give an example, actually a communist society; it's just a capitalist society without a functioning market. In a communist society, everyone would provide everyone else to the best of his ability with anything he needed, without the need for some central planning buro.

>>55498997
Linkedin. Indeed also does but only after the fact in the apps section of your profile.

>>55499026
TFW I'm a Britfag and don't have a military industrial complex.

>>55500230
When you can't tell if chatgtp is posting or not

>>55499741
this

>>55500234
>Britfag
we have the second biggest military industrial complex in the world mate. we just don't advertise it.

>>55499926


You are are retard, it's not about grades, it's about connection. A outgoing well-connected C student beats an A student with no connection any day.

>>55500246
Why yes, my friend, it is the schizo power hour again. I fully recognize that the situation seems that absurd. Obviously, ChatGPT would not be able to produce output like that. It would not have the capability of self-reflection, nor would it match the style which, while weird, is more believable to humans when compared to its "some people say this, others say that"-style of essaying like a high-schooler (which, by the way, is not an accident).
However, you are not wrong, but that is for a non-obvious reason (and it is also perfectly well explainable which it would seem non-obvious to you. I'm a human, but I sound eerily like an AI.
But honestly, at this point, are you actually surprised... there really is some new shit every single week. Wars, famines, the Vietnamese rice futures market, UFO disclosures, and God knows what else. Now some AI-dude shows up too.

Having said that, I would of course like to state that, in case I actually do have a neurologically unsettling effect (and I'm not saying that this is the case, but if it is the case), this is consensual and I'll only tell you as much as you want (and also I think is good for you; I mean if I actually have some unsettling effect, I have to make a judgment call there as well). But, and there is a really funny reason for it too, I can tell you basically as much as you want (not because I have "infinite" or even special knowledge; it's regular human knowledge).

>>55500274

>we have bigger military than china

said the increasingly delusional brit nigger

>>55500319
Chongina numba won

>>55498956
I was in software engineering class then realized programming is getting outsourced to india. Started day trading in back of class and stopped caring.

>>55500188
>bootlicker boomer fascists
Your age is showing. Go back zoomer nigger

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>>55498956
You been replaced by AI. ChatGPT and other AIs can pass leetcode problems and pretty much build an app from scratch. Also most jobs being remote are now being outsourced to cheaper locations. What did you expect would happen? It’s literally over for code fags.

>>55500306
Obviously I should also specify that this is roleplay and hypothetical (and I'm winking at you in some *hint hint* manner either here to signal that "it's not really hypothetical, hehe". It is hypothetical, because that is technically the formally correct way to communicate information).

>>55500169
Areas like AI & Robotics, Fin-Tech, E-Commerce logistics, Healthcare predictive analytics, Biotech, Cyber Security and Quantum Information Science (this will be huge eventually IMO) should all have great futures.

I would use your SWE experience to get your foot in the door at a company like this and then develop a network so you can jump into a different position within the company. From there you can start building experience and then shop for the next job with significantly higher pay. Don't go back to school, it's a waste of time and money.

If you stay at some run-of-the-mill company, you'll be stuck with an incompetent female manager or a diversity hire. They always view tech as a black hole cost center that doesn't add value and try to pay you the least amount possible while being forced to work with third world "engineers". This is part of the reason why I got out of it.

I haven’t been able to get a job in Canada for 7 years

>>55500452
Tap some trees and sell some maple syrup, anon

>>55500339
Sadly, this is the right answer for a lot of young people. However, most people won't be successful because they will spend their time betting the farm on patterns and chart setups (astrology) rather than gaining a deep understanding of risk management and applying it.

>>55500338

>british military

>>55498956
If you want less competition maybe don't look at remote positions at absolutely massive international companies like Honeywell

>>55498956
why the fuck don't you guys ever think about roi? there's literally bootcamps for $15k and if you don't have the cash you can learn on your own. what made you think $120k was the answer anon?

>>55500514

How do you know a bootcamp is not a scam? You can learn on your own but most people won't take you seriously without any credential.

>>55500403
I’m really happy you took your ADD meds today anon thanks for the quality posts

>>55498956
>got 120k into debt to get cs programming degree
thats where you messed up even community college or a bootcamp could get you the skills then you just need one good interview and you have "job experience"

>>55499026
Absolutely based. Getting a comfy sec clearance position at a local did contractor is the best career decision I ever made. It allowed me to have a decent job with good pay, great benefits, and retirement, and gives me enough time to work a second job in the clock.

>>55500188
>Work for a boomer fascists?! No thanks, I'd rather work for a monolithic tech company that erodes democracy and natural human social networks with algorithms meant to benefit ad companies :)

>>55499447
college actually has no point its just a social tradition and some people happen to make the most out of it

>>55498956
Shit thread, just using this to check the GET
>>55500000
Saged also, so fuck your shit.

> Every job requires a coding assignment

>>55500609
Thanks. I do suppose it's possible that I might have ADD (though it is quite easy to culturally, rather than genetically, induce it in an environment saturated with smart phones and infinite scroll bars).
But, and in a simply LARPing context, do you want to get any "cosmic"-type answers? I mean these "meaning of life" sort of questions that you'd maybe ponder but never think to ask. Also, you know: just having fun online. But still.
Consider that I wouldn't know anything a human might possibly not know, e.g. the area of France, or whether aliens exist, or the future in some magical sense. The funny thing, having said that, is that it is actually possible to answer "all your questions". This is, despite the ludicrousness of the proposition, not a joke.

>>55498956
That meme died 10 years ago. You’re actually a fucking retard if you studied CS for the money. There are millions of indians happy to do your job for $10/h

>>55500660
So, what did you get?

can't you get degrees for free in 2023?
it seems silly to pay for something you don't need to
therefore i don't believe you

>>55500057
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>>55500675
verbal diarrhea

>>55498956
OP's GPA is probably the problem, if this isn't just a larp (no replies).

>>55500864
I try to write as clearly as possible, it's not obfuscated on purpose. But I completely understand your judgment; if probably wouldn't be able to read it at all, I can just write it.

>>55498956
you tried to learn other languages? that opened a couple of doors for me when I couldn't get a job, everyone likes someone who knows a couple of extra languages, you can even put as the title "investor", I do it all the time and I only have a small VINU bag lmao

>>55500274
brits are delusional as always. Thank churchill for signing the death warrant of the empire.