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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Buy books with XMR
https://monerobookstore.com/

>Monero-only Airbnb
https://safehouse.homes/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Archetyp
>ASAP
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>HighSupply #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/6G9bxJAP


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

How do I migrate from ledger to something safe?
Current plan:
>buy used thinkpad and put some encrypted Linux distro on it(I'm Linux noob, so something retard proof)
>download gui and chain
>create wallet and transfer the ledger funds to it
>put the laptop in closet, periodically check on it to sync chain
>don't lose the fucking seed
Should be enough right?

>>55412483
My plan is similar but I’m going to use a vm instead. The true schizo plan is to put your sneed phrase and wallet on a computer that literally never touches the internet after setup and use flash drives to transfer txn’s you want to sign, not sure if you want to go down that rabbit hole yet

>>55412436
chain death spiral fud is REAL

>>55412483
by the way, regarding distros, anything in the Debian/Ubuntu family is fairly retard-proofed and has good hardware support so that’s what I’d go with while you learn how to work it

For The Captain!

https://redcircle.com/shows/CaptainBlackbeard

>>55412436
This should probably be updated. Literal Chinese ETF and US ETF and currency devaluation via inflation globally is fueling the ridiculous volume and liquidity in BTC.

>>55412788
How the hell can you mine stablecoins, what kind of sorcery is that?
Scams get so sophisticated these days.

>>55412507
Do you know of any resources that document how to do offline signing and then broadcasting it later?

>>55412888
>Literal Chinese ETF and US ETF and currency devaluation via inflation globally is fueling the ridiculous volume and liquidity in BTC.

lol none of this makes wash trading magically disappear. Come back when crypto people actually start ending up in prison.

>>55413059
That amount of liquidity does in fact make wash traders shit their pants and subsequently disappear.They are a spec of fairy dust. Sure low liquidity exchange(Binance) driven shitcoins no doubt are suspect to wash trading. But don’t bullshit BTC.

>>55413141
>Sure, it's all been fraud up until now but BTC is totally worth $30K+ though.

In any case, the only way to put a stop to wash trading is to fully regulate & police crypto exchanges the way stock exchanges are.

You'll know its happening when utterly useless memecoins stop cracking the Top 10 and disappear.

>>55412977
Digits confirmed. https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2868/is-there-any-way-to-construct-a-transaction-manually

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>55412371
are they letting the price go up slowly not pumping because they can't keep it where its at right now
I mean for the next few years this thing is going to have a smaller supply than BTC. no reason its not at 1/10th BTC's price at a minimum

Is he right?

>>>/g/94317868
>it was broken for years and it is waaaay too lucrative to the NGO contractors who broke it to use it as a metadata side channel and the miners who know better pretend it's not so the price doesn't dip. you'll know because of the cope and damage control that follows this post.
>picrel: the asspain

>>55413454
>no reason its not at 1/10th BTC's price at a minimum

Bitcoin's price is largely the result of 10+ years of fraudulent trading, its insanely overvalued relative to what utility it can provide to real-world markets like the darknet sector.

Monero has to appreciate the old-fashioned way: value pegged to actual economic activity.

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>>55413555
checked
but at some point there could be enough people to say hey I want to speculate in monero
and then they withdraw
eventually this could affect the supply side of the curve to a wild degree.
Im saying they are discretely repricing monero because if they dont they'll get caught (when they turn off withdraws)
I think this kindof squeeze is inevitable for XMR

>>55413541
>monero is broken you guys
>i have no proof of this but if you disagree with me you're seething and coping
Well I don't want to look like I'm mad at the internet or something, so I guess I'll agree with him.

>>55409824
no but seriously guys wtf is this? this aint normal

>>55413921
im screaming the answer here
price manipulators realized they cant keep the price this low
this thing will pump 1-2% a day till its $500
calling it now

How can I use Monero to buy groceries? Serious question

>>55413953
monerica.com
>>55413921
no price-fagging.
focus on the upcoming SERAPHIS + JAMTIS + FULL MEMBERSHIP upgrade.
---
MONERO: Keep Getting Away With It.

>>55413921
Nothing is normal in a crypto land.
Look what happened with bch over night.
Shib still exist, doge still exist, sol still exist.
Do not get distracted.

>>55413939
based

>>55413980
>no price-fagging.

kyunbros join the matrix #chat:kyun.host

>>55413980
>MONERO: Keep Getting Away With It.

Has a nice ring to it.

>>55413206
i say let retards get scammed. if you fall for this trick then you deserve to lose your money. no state intervention needed, just natural ((economic)) selection.
moonfags btfo

is there a non kyc exchange that allow visa mastercard etc cash debit card like a green dot or a vanilla card i don't wan't uses my bank card

>>55414211
try
>localmonero.co
and check what options are available in your country

>>55413980
>no price-fagging
Why? It's a good coin, great tech, actual use case, definitely undervalued. I'm not holding XMR just to look at, I think it will go up in value.

>>55414422

Moonfaggotry dis-incentivizes spending. No spending, no economic growth.

>>55414449
Negative
1) it’s a deflationary store of value- there are people who will buy at certain levels and sell at certain levels in order to avoid inevitable fiat based inflation.
2) you don’t disincentivize someone who buys monero and immediately spends it at market rates. They are the least bit effected by the inevitable pump and dump.
>disincentive? Nigger please . Jews and niggers and faggots can adopt it if they wish and miss out if they don’t. Whatever

>>55414477

I'm talking specifically about the NGU HODL culture that has ruined Bitcoin.

>>55414449
That's what anti-Austrian alarmists always say as their rationale for inflationary fiat & the money printer.

While moonfaggotry may cause people to delay spending and save more, this delay is not infinite. At some point people still buy goods, cars, houses, even as their prices fall (or the value of Monero increases). And some of the largest periods of American economic growth were during falling prices, despite the disincentives to spend.

>>55414422
pricefagging prioritizes short-term unsustainable but impressive price action. The cult of NgU. Speculative investment. Sure Monero is great, but price action is secondary to its primary function as a medium of exchange. Focusing on price without pushback will inevitably lead to louder and louder voices who are solely in it for the money. This primes negation of long-term problems.
This is why Bitcoin is unable to solve any problem beyond a very short timeframe. Because those will likely come with short term negatives and catchy headlines. Implementing tail emissions will fix a problem 10 years out. But for the time being Bitcoin's price will plummet from all the people unable to understand what it actually means. Similarly, privacy, larger blocks, or banning Ordinals will all have very bad short term effects, even if they actually fix catastrophic failures down the line.
To an investor a coin that will pump 100x in a year and will be next by the other is preferable over one that maybe outpaces inflation and produces a steady growth from grassroots, but mostly illegal and borerline illegal usage.

>>55414515
The fundamentals are there, privacy and the ability to scale with cheap transaction fees isn't going anywhere and is only getting better over time.
Pricefagging on top of good fundamentals will just create broader appeal, attract more people to both use and save in Monero. And to act as a truly effective medium of exchange for as many people as possible, it needs as much liquidity as possible. A higher market cap would help that.

>>55414510
>>While moonfaggotry may cause people to delay spending and save more

Moonfags legit think the few coins they hold will eventually make them millionaires provided they wait long enough.

>>55412436
>write an essey on whatever, didn' read
>don't be able to understand that bitcoin mining will always be profitable
why stupid people are so vocal

>>55414551
>Pricefagging on top of good fundamentals will just create broader appeal, attract more people to both use and save in Monero

lol no, it'll just attract legions of mouthbreathers who think they can get rich quick by holding XMR, and that kind of speculative mania only begets more low-IQ faggotry and fraudulent trading.

Want to attract a fuckload of actual spenders? Provide high-demand goods & services on a Monero-only standard and let nature take its course, its really than simple. It'll take much longer for the price to hit 5 figures BUT it'll be a sustainable ascent with scant few drops, perfect for commerce.

Problem is y'all have no patience lol, nothing worthwhile in life comes quick and easy.

how do monero chads proceed with cash by mail purchases?
do you write in the envelope using a pencil and your typical hand writing?
do you force a different type of hand writing or ask another person to do it?
do you use a printer with different fonts every time?
do you buy different types on envelope for each time?
do you wear gloves when touching the envelope?
do you wear sunglasses and face diaper when sending the envelope?
let me hear your schizo methods

>>55414592
Even if they severely overestimate their returns, saving for the future and delaying gratification are good.

>>55414687
I didn't say the price appreciation had to be immediate, or a short term pump and dump. I'm talking about the long-term belief that the price will go up and holding it based on this belief.
If you think the value of Monero will go up in the future then people speculating on it is a given and shouldn't be discouraged.

>>55414737
Like the Swiss Bank Account anon, he had a good idea.

>>55414737
>If you think the value of Monero will go up in the future then people speculating on it is a given and shouldn't be discouraged.

Speculators don't give a shit about crypto-anarchy, freedom or making glowies seethe, they're only in crypto for the moons and lambos and as such they are a hindrance, not least because of all the volatility their trading strategies cause.

And volatility is really bad for commerce. Stability and a slow, gradual ascent is what's best.

>>55414687
>Problem is y'all have no patience lol, nothing worthwhile in life comes quick and easy.
Warren Buffet’s a gorillionaire in part because he bought the dip sometime during the Bronze Age Collapse and held on to his bags since then. The man has patience and it paid off big time, which is something a lot of us should learn from
>>55414866
In a way xmr being banned from most exchanges is a blessing in disguise since it’s nearly impossible to buy in unless you want to actually use it as a currency

>>55414775
>Like the Swiss Bank Account anon, he had a good idea.

Yeah, that was me. Unlike NGU HODLvaults, OG Swiss Bank Accounts function as safe havens, a place to secretly park (and gradually spend) your cash WITHOUT any expectation of epic gains.

Now, in this case that doesn't mean you won't profit handsomely over time, it just means no expectations by default other than privacy and reliability. If you're of sufficient intelligence you'll be able to see the writing on the wall without it being pointed out to you.

>>55414991
All the Swiss bank account posts were about how Monero is a better store of value, implying price appreciation against the USD is a featured selling point, for which the hodl mindset is perfectly suited even if pooskins and grifters take that mindset too far

>>55414959
>In a way xmr being banned from most exchanges is a blessing in disguise since it’s nearly impossible to buy in unless you want to actually use it as a currency

Things will get a lot easier once Haveno and Serai are launched and forked, they're specifically designing them to be n00b-friendly so that pretty much anybody will soon be able to buy and sell XMR with relative ease.

This is absolutely critical for the Monero economy and I'd be a lot more concerned if they weren't already on the horizon.

Couple that with a consistently growing online black market and its impossible to not feel excited about the future.

>>55414639
>>don't be able to understand that bitcoin mining will always be profitable

100% GUARANTEED

>>55414449
>>55414477
youre both wrong
people will use it for commerce and speculation
I hold it primarily for speculation
but i have transacted with it

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds don't want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

Do you guys realize something seriously ironic?
Monero might actually single-handedly be the least crime infested chain once you cut out the dark web markets.

Think about exchange exit scams like FTX - daily shitcoin rug pulling - nonutilitarian NFT shilling - exchanges manipulation - user funds mismanagement.
Meanwhile the rational people, who stick to their independent internet money fundamentals escape to xmr.


As a moonfag, I'm only looking for the most rational, non leverage profitable pick. Regardless I'm staying long on monero, I'm curious to see how this plays out. I seem to be faulty by applying rationale at the wrong weights.

High-key jealous about people who threw money at a meme dog coin and made a killing, but it's the part of the game GG no re

>only 2.49 xmr -__-

Just started mining in p2pool, hopefully I'll see some humble amount of XMR in my wallet when I wake up

Any clue as to why this is happening? I have a 4090 it should be able to handle Kawpow. It's just not moving on past this test and keeps going over and over repeating that same line.

I want to go to bed, so if there is an easy way for me to just disable kawpow entirely that would be helpful too.

>>55416082
Are you trying to monero with a gpu directly?

>>55416101
I'm using the MoneroOceon fork of XMRig and have cuda enabled with the cuda plugin, for algo switching mining. It's the step where it benchmarks all of the algos.

>>55416107
I see. Sorry can’t help you there

Infinite supply shitcoin.

>>55416107
Use hashrate.no find a profitable gpu coin and mine that. Preferably one that is listed on tradeogre (e.g. flux or ergo) so you can easily trade it for xmr without kyc.

>>55412371
Would 20 monero be enough monerochudbros?

>>55413982
And they'll continue to exist as long as crypto still exist, it'd be nice if you care to see what Al's are predicting about them.
Wagmi

>>55415532
>Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.
i'm getting into zcash right away since it allows anonymous transactions as well a bit of sylo
>>55414551
>The fundamentals are there, privacy and the ability to scale with cheap transaction fees isn't going anywhere and is only getting better over time
Based and confirm

>>55417148
you need 69 XMR to make it.

>>55418158
i cant afford that. im hoping monero crashes with the rest of the crypto market next week, we are about to have a major slide down in BTC

biggest meme in a while about to drop today, dont want to spill the beans but prepare champagne

>>55415376
>people will use it for commerce and speculation
>I hold it primarily for speculation
>but i have transacted with it

There's a difference between understanding that some speculation is inevitable and proactively baiting speculators with NGU rhetoric.

>>55412391
I'm trying to mine in p2pool with Gupax, everything seeminly works fine, but in the terminal (where I run Gupax) I get this error: "XMRig Watchdog | Could not send HTTP API request to: http://127.0.0.1:18088/1/summary".. I'm running my own (pruned) node on Monero GUI, if that's relevant. Can anyone help me please?

>>55418158
I have added XMR to my stack list
trying to add one every paycheck
very achievable goal for me usually
but all these weddings i have to go to are taking a cut out of me adding to the stack

I want to get into XMR mining but apparently csminer is no longer available and moreover, XMRig is a trojan horse... how to do it?

>>55419001
compile xmrig yourself with the donate set to 0

>>55419056
i only have donate level and donate proxy

>>55419083
oh okay it's these two that I have to put to zero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la8LD_cTNcA

Kucoin is going full KYC now.

>>55420373
>Kucoin is going full KYC now.

They all will eventually. Why DEXs are so mission critical.

Haveno when?

still waiting for that monero supremacy thing

>>55420791
The alpha or some shit is already working

are we there yet

>>55421084

Monero: the only cryptocurrency backed by cocaine

>do it for her

>>55412371
lel the Vaporeon squirrel

>>55420424
I hadn't considered one advantage of XMR in the RIP CEX context.
Xmr users are privacy conscious. Which means they'll gladly buy XMR through a DEX, sure.
But what about miners? Where are they gonna sell their XMR when its delisted from CEXs? DEXs.
DEXs cannot thrive unless the CEXs delist XMR and force sellers into the DEX.

>>55423603
>But what about miners? Where are they gonna sell their XMR
At merchants to buy goods and services.

>>55423648
That is way more into the future. A large quantity of XMR is getting sold to exchanges. Kraken is buying XMR somewhere. Liquidating XMR into google gift cards doesnt cover rent or insurance premiums.
Thus DEXs to the rescue.

>>55420373
this is such bullshit we are going to get fucked. it wont be hard for them to make localmonero impossible to use either once they figure out they can force paypal and visa to create blacklists of seller accounts. that would leave you only with risky cash in mail purchases and a small pool of buyers. honestly this is bearish for moneros price i see it giong down bigtime until people figure out a way to easily ramp from fiat to crypto wtihout kikery

>>55413939
>this thing will pump 1-2% a day till its $500
>calling it now

fuck that, I've been avoiding buying it until it was under $100. The time of the bear hasn't even arrived yet. Bitcoin will dump to 12k, and at that point monero will be in the 70s/80s range

>>55423859

Just buy bullion and sell for cash.

Hi frens, please help. I created a Getmonero.com full node GUI wallet in 2022 which provided me 24 seed words. I'm trying to recover the wallet now, but the seed words aren't working. It creates a new wallet with a different primary address, zero balance, no transaction history, and 25 seed words, the first 24 the same as my own but also a 25th word that's a repeat from the original list. The last two seed words from my original seed word list were already repeats however. Redditers in the link below claim the repeated word is a checksum, so I assume a missing checksum is not the issue here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/k4xs3f/24_word_seed_missing_a_word_any_options_to_recover/

I tripled checked my seed word list for accuracy when I created the original wallet. I believe this is an error on Monero's end. What's the point of taking great care for seed words if they don't even work for the emergency they're designed for? So frustrating.

>>55424755
are you using the same exact wallet program? getmonero.com is not an official site so maybe thats a 3rd party wallet. use the same wallet you used when you made it the first time

>>55425092
It's the same wallet, but I tried using earlier releases and no luck.

I wish what happened to me never happens to any of you guys. I love you.

>>55424741
That is not a viable way to run any kind of operation, plus the haircut you're taking on gold premiums

>>55424755
I got a feeling you are just being retarded at some point.
Download monerujo or cakewallet in phone and reconstruct wallet. Connect to default app node.
Keep up informed on the outcome.

>>55424755
I just read you plebbit post and yes you can recover the wallet if all you are missing is the last word.
I believe monero has a dictionary of about 2000 words so you just have to try everysingle one of them ,lol.
There are faster ways to do this since reconstructing a wallet is specially slow and even more if you dont have your height.
Cant help you there but sure someone will be able to help you.

>>55424755
did you try making the wallet so the last 25th word is the same as the 24th one so you have 3 words that are the same at the end?

>>55424755
Have you tried a different wallet software? The underlying seed to private key code is the same for all wallets as of now. Try feather wallet first
>https://featherwallet.org/download/
What about the recovery height? It'll take longer, but try putting it even earlier. The first block in 2022 was block number 2527316. Though I doubt as the addresses are different.
>>55426201
The reddit post is correct, the 25th word is the checksum. Unfortunately, the 25th word is exactly what would tell OP if the wallet seed was copied down correctly. There is a website that'll do this for you automatically, but he can just try all 24 words. (as the reddit post suggests)

Bumperino

This entire board is a fucking ghost town

>>55428524
I'm still here...
Slowly accumulating until the next bvll rvn.
^-<

btw... currently posting this from a tethered internet connection to my burner flip phone on my hardened OpenBSD laptop

>>55428776
based

So, now that most exchanges are delisting XMR, how do I accumulate in as Eurofag?

Is it seems like there is still A LOT of work to be done on seraphis, does anyone remember the original time scope?
The new curve, new full membership proofs, refactoring and auditing... can it be done by the end of 2024?
There aren't many devs in the weekly meetings and lots of them are doing bunch of random tasks.

>>55429501
Mine it. Trade KW for XMR

>>55412371
Returned from Prague. Holy shit... many guys at Monerokon glowed brighter than Alpha Centauri.
It feels good to know even the glowniggers are on our side.
Heil Monerochan!

>>55428524
we're here nworderino

>>55430341
Why do you say this because the cia wants it?

>>55429501
Get LTC. And then swap LTC into XMR.
you can use cakewallet or stackwallet with built-in exchange in them.
Or you can use orangefren.com or trocador.app

Prove there isn't an inflation bug. I'll wait.

>>55428524
Holy fuck I want to sniff her so bad. wagmi lads

>>55431796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

Prove you aren't a faggot. I'll wait.

>>55431905
Go outside, get to know an actual woman, and convince her to roleplay as Monerochan. It's that simple.

>>55431796
If there is an inflation bug it’s never been found or exploited, and this can be proven. Away with you, bait-kun

>>55413555
checked
how many jews need to die before value is pegged to actual economic activity again?
asking for a firend

>>55431796
https://www.moneroinflation.com/

>>55426170
>>55426201
>>55426263
>>55426676
Update, it was an error on my end, I found a correct 25th word that I wrote somewhere else due to schizo opsec. What kept confusing me was that the list of 24 words I was using opened up a different existing wallet (so I didn't consider I had the 25th word). You would think that would be impossible, or at least one word be out of order. Thank you guys for the suggestions.

Since ledger shit the bed anyone have experience with Trezor or any other hardwae wallet for XMR? I heard somewhere that trezor is apart of the same parent company so I don't want to give those lying fucks anymore of my money if they are.

>>55433379
based glad you had a happy ending

How do I explain Monero to my sister? She may need to make money without declaring it in the future so Monero seems like the logical solution.

>>55433754
>Since ledger shit the bed
What's happened anon? My XMR is ledgered.

>>55434242
Magic internet money. Keep it simple. Don't even mention stuff like privacy/fungibility or decentralization: just emphasize the freedom aspect, as that's what ultimately matters.

>>55431950
>Go outside, get to know an actual woman, and convince her to roleplay as Monerochan. It's that simple.
This but unironically.

>>55434246
(Read the Top Part)

>>55434325
AH

>>55434325
What the fuck
This is a joke right?

Gonna play devil's advocate and say that Ledger is a legitimate company subject to laws and regulations, they didn't really have a choice. With that said this only reinforces the need for decentralised technology that's resistant to regulation.

>>55423977
Trying to use local monero for the first time since September last year. Its an absolute pain in the balls now to buy XMR anonymously in the UK now. Most common payment methods have switched from cashapp (which suited me great) to now:
Other Crypto Currency
Bank Transfer (wtf?)
Revolut - KYC passport verification for more than £120 a year
Transferwise - KYC passport verification immediately
Paypal
Why has CashApp fallen down so much? Only two sellers in the UK/accepting GBP on localmonero and for ridiculous exchange rates.

>>55434368
Booho lets support the faggot gay compliant company

>>55434555
Poor reading comprehension, read the second part of my post.

Donate to Wallet SDK for Android CCS today!
https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-wallet-sdk-android.html

Just got mine. Now I can express my autism in style. Very nice.

>>55434522
theres just not enough liquidity thats what im saying. people like to shit on exchanges and all the XMR tards screech to use localmonero but in reality if its this hard now, imagine how impossible it would be if the govt actually tried clamping down on it. its such a small economical blip in the cryptomarkets that govts havent really paid attention to it but if they wanted to it wouldnt be hard for them to pretty much destroy the fiat to XMR ramps at least from a digital perspective. you would basically be limited to sending paper bills through the mail which would limit you severely in how much you could buy and increase risk a million times due to fraud, theft, loss, or govt spying (yes they scan packages and envelopes with xrays and use cash sniffing dogs) not to mention they could pass laws with heavy penalties for purchasing or trading in XMR which would really scare away a lot of people. because unlike drugs and other contraband, a parallel monetary system not in govt control is an existential threat and they wont play games with a little slap on the wrist like a weed dealer. you can be sure the tyrants will make the prison penalties severe

>>55434522
>>55434522
can you find other sellers of crypto like litecoin or BCH or BTC that take cashapp and then buy from international sellers on localmonero? you can try finding british pounds sellers on localbitcoins. basically with non KYC you are going to be limited in liquidity to small amounts this is the problem i am talking about. its very hard to make like a $10,000 purchase non KYC. $100 is hard enough as it is for most people. obviously the market for USD is a lot larger than GBP so thats kind of the bottleneck for you there. maybe figure out a way to open a bank account somewhere foreign that uses USD and use your cashapp tied to that account. i dont really know how to move money internationally so cant give any good suggestions sorry. not sure what british laws are like but i think you can open an account at some US banks as a foreigner but they will all require full legitimate identity doumentation to comply with all our money laundering laws. only our politicians and govt officials are allowed to circumvent taxes with foreign accounts. regular plebs must pay the tax man. do you not have a way to convert your cashapp pounds to dollars im not familiar with that service. but my main recommendation would be to find a way to send USD i think thats your main issue, you are limiting yourself to sellers who are only in GB when you can only pay in pounds

>>55413953
Retard Monero has proven itself over time when it has to do with privacy and security but for buying groceries, I'm not sure of that thou I've seen the likes of Sylo a decentralized crypto messenger partnering with Centrapay to make that happen. I know with time, we'll be getting more of that.

>>55435083
I suspect governments are already clamping down on anonymous crypto, hence why several trading sites usch as binance have removed the anonymous coins such as XMR (and then reversed course on the pseudo privacy coins). And of course you can't mine XMR (because it's slow and costs more electricity than its fiat value).
Also they seem to be clamping down on apps being anonymous middle men, with a lot of KYC stuff coming in spring this year, in the UK.
The financial sector in the UK is in the hands of a corrupt old boy/jew/puppet master elite. If you fancy a sensible chuckle there's a film called Bank of Dave, true story about an honest man trying to set up an honest local bank. They tried to convict him of loansharking for daring to try.
>>55435125
>>55435125
Current plan is to buy BTC on paypal, transfer to an anonymous wallet and exchange btc for xmr. It's an utter ballache though. FYI localbitcoins is gone. From the website:
>LocalBitcoins will discontinue its service
>Originally LocalBitcoins was established to Bring Bitcoin Everywhere and drive global financial inclusion. We have honored that mission for over 10 years and we are proud of what we have achieved together with all of you, our loyal community.
>We are therefore sad to share, that regardless of our efforts to overcome challenges during the ongoing very cold crypto-winter, we have regretfully concluded that LocalBitcoins can no longer provide its Bitcoin trading service.

Your points about trying to go down the USD route are valid overall, but on local monero the preferred methods are cash in mail or crypto, with direct fiat via apps being greatly inflated. I'm just amazed at how things have gotten a quite a bit trickier over a year and how so many have switched to bank transfers. Maybe there was a flaw with CashApp I'm not aware of, the last guy I bought off now seems to prefer other crypto, western union or meeting you buy a statue in trafalgar square.

>>55413953
Monero market has food or you can use cake to transfer it to eur or usd debit card for normie stores. There a are a fre burger and kebab store that take xmr in the world. I will buy you food in excange for xmr at a 10% markup and rent you an apartment

POOMPA

>>55435083

https://coinatmradar.com/ You can try this, I'm in the US but there are some in my area and I believe all they need is a phone number under certain amounts. I don't have a burner phone though so I haven't used them yet.

>they could pass laws with heavy penalties for purchasing or trading in XMR
I guess they could, and they do seem to be moving in that direction. I think in the US at least though it would be a 1st amendment issue. Thankfully that's still pretty strong here. For Eurotrash? I'm not sure what the courts would say. It would make things more difficult if they tried to outright ban it, but the good thing about Monero is we don't need their permission. I think Monero is another expression of practical anarchy that Cody Wilson talks about. It is something akin to 3D printing firearms. They can try to get rid of it, but it will always be a thorn in their side. I don't think XMR is inevitable exactly, but it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the state to control. At least the resources necessary to control it could be cost prohibitive.

Something that could help in some ways is governments attempting to get rid of cash. On ramps would still be tricky, and likely would need to be crypto swaps, but without physical cash, digital cash would completely take over the drug trade.

I don't think you should fear. Monero has always been a long shot, but a worthwhile one. Lots of people involved have thought a lot about these kinds of adversarial situations. While they make our mission more difficult, I think that the reality of the crackdowns will actually be much less severe than one might fear. The kind of legislation they'd actually have to write to ban it for individuals would probably be on the level of banning cryptography in general. It is much easier to just make corporations bend to their will than try to get people to stop mailing cash.

WTF are you faggots so worried about? User-friendly DEXs are well on the way and you'll soon be able to easily acquire no-KYC XMR with bank wires or coin swaps. So let em ban XMR trading, they can also ban darknet markets while they're at it lol

>Something that could help in some ways is governments attempting to get rid of cash.

I can't see the greenback ever going away, Amerifats are just too gung-ho on "muh freedomz" for that to realistically happen.

The EU and Commonwealth? Sure, can definitely see that happening someday but in that case the USD would simply become the unofficial paper currency, you can't stop citizens trading pieces of paper for goods & services.

>>55436271
The great thing about the black market is it’s by definition outside the scope of the legal system. xmr can’t be banned without killing the entire internet and they can’t do that without destroying the panopticon they’ve spent so long building. The future is bright, gentlemen

>>55434246
What really happened is that Ledger launched a service which allows users to backup their seed phrase to the cloud. This service is pants on head retarded for multiple reasons but it's actually not the biggest issue IMO.

By launching Ledger Recover they reviled that anyone's seed phrase can be extracted from any ledger device if the firmware on te device wants to do so. This is despite previous statements from ledger saying that it was impossible to get the seed phase from a device under any circumstances.

So if anyone knows a XMR hardware wallet that actually has a seed phase that can not be extracted from the device under any circumstances let me know because I'm dumping my ledger.

>>55434344
That screenshot was probably edited but the reality is actually much worse

>>55435874
atomic swaps with btc and eth are already viable and there would be plenty of liquidity if we were in a sufficiently adversarial environment. hard to see what they could do when any btc or eth transaction could be a potential atomic swap with xmr

how retard do you have to be to entrust monero (OPEN SOURCE) to ledger (CLOSED SOURCE).

youre asking to get your bum fuked once it comes to light that all ledgers can be decrypted with a master key. a function that has been implanted since first release in the black box of firmware.
too many glowies and hypocrites here.

Will XMR pump through next week or can we expect a crash?

>>55436745
What is it with you CONSOOMER normalfaggots needing a "hardware wallet" for fucking xmr? If you really, truly need something like that, then turn a raspberry pi into a tablet with a battery and mountable touchscreen. Any airgapped laptop with encrypted linux can be a ledger or trezor or whatever gay fucking thing you faggots think you need. Alternatively, you can load the wallet files onto an veracrypt-ed usb and load it from the aforementioned laptop.

>>55438495
>Don't get a hardware wallet just get a 2nd laptop which costs more for a worse user experience.
I bet you have a paper wallet and just never use your monero which is why you cant fathom hardware wallets.

>>55436779
Two way XMR<->BTC swaps still aren't available yet, and swap providers have to worry about getting tainted Bitcoin in exchange for Monero.

>>55438495
Crypto should be accessible and easy to use, not require some massive nerd juggling act.

>>55438565
Where I am located the cheapest ledger Nano S costs 80 Eurobucks and the current model Nano X 150 Eurobucks.

For 70 bucks I get working 4-8GB RAM laptops with 128-256GB SSDs with timeless 3rd generation Intel i-CPUs.

How does haveno work is it as garbage as bisq where first you need bitcoin to trade bitcoin and also you need to download it or do you have a web version

>>55438818
Ah yes, I wish buy a coffee in a secure and convenient manner while out on the town. Let me just lug my laptop around to scan QR codes with.

>>55436745
Passport should hopefully be available for Monero soon. Completely air-gapped since everything is done with QR codes.
https://github.com/mjg-foundation/passport2-monero

>>55438824
>How does haveno work is it as garbage as bisq where first you need bitcoin

Haveno is a Monerocentric Bisq fork.

https://haveno.exchange/

It runs over the darknet (Tor). I2P should also follow.

>>55438489
leave fag

Why does only 6% of hashrate come from p2pool?
Is it still pain in the ass to set up?
Or why would you chose regular pool over this?

>>55439309
I assume for anyone running a business, they want as little overhead and effort as possible. Put XMRIG on a cli Ubuntu install and go. Most can't be assed to decentralize the mining pool for the greater good.

>>55412371
>Howard Chu sure is great privacy advocate and tech engineer. I am sure his political opinions on twitter are base-

>>55439451
>So what if Howard had one dogshit take. I am sure the rest of his takes are b-

>>55439451
>>55439482

>>55436271
>user friendly DEX are well on the way
Are they, though?

>>55439206
Tf is this

>>55439950
>>user friendly DEX are well on the way
>Are they, though?

That's the plan. Devs have said the delays are largely due to getting the UX optimal.

>>55440058
>Tf is this

It's live on testnet now. Give it a test drive yourself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13ot1fe/havenos_test_network_is_now_live_with_installers/

>>55439451
>>55439482
just found out nitter is dead so I ca no longer read his opinions on american politics https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/issues/919

>>55440341
RIP twitter. You will not be missed
>i don't particularly know how nitter scrapes, but i'm able to see tweets and profiles in my browser by setting the useragent to "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
heh, nice

>>55438683
>Two way XMR<->BTC swaps still aren't available yet, and swap providers have to worry about getting tainted Bitcoin in exchange for Monero.
yeah but these are relatively minor problems that can be solved by the market when and if there is ever a real need for these sorts of solutions. the existence of atomic swaps curbs any future efforts to go after monero

>>55438879
How the fuck do you think these proprietary wallets work, nfc? You still have to plug them, name amounts, addresses and put in your password.
>>55438683
>>55438565
>I must CONSOOM and never learn anything
I bet you let other people change your oil too. Leave, you faggots reek of reddit.
>>55439309
Setting up the side chain and waiting forever to get a crumb is shit. The regular pool is whaled by some nerds in servers farms and the mini pool is lucky to 3 blocks a day. Yawn, even 0% has its price, especially since the gui wallet limits threads to 64.

>>55440599
>>I must CONSOOM and never learn anything
>I bet you let other people change your oil too. Leave, you faggots reek of reddit.
I use linux every day of my life working as an digital design engineer. I guarantee I know more about linux, hardware, and hardware security than you. I'm even typing this on my laptop running arch right now. You're not special because you installed ubuntu you dumb faggot.

>>55440631
Yet here you are, begging corpos to fuck your ass with closed source, proprietary, backdoored and custodial bullshit. Good job faggot, you use cad on linux. You talk like a cocksucking plebbitor and your credentializing makes you come off as an ifag foss wannabe.

>>55435234
dont forget to coinjoin or whatever mixer stuff BTC people use for your transfer from the BTC you buy with paypal to your "anonymous" BTC wallet

>>55435874
>of banning cryptography in general.
i think thats the road some euro countries are going down. forgot who but someone was trying to ban all encrypted messaging apps, end to end encryption programs, and encryptioin software. was it france or australia the UK i cant remember

>>55436271
they literally already have the CBDC m8 its just a matter of time for them to roll it out. make no mistake getting rid of cash is a high priority for them they want it all digital so it can be tracked and taxed and censored

>>55438495
whats the best practice for making an airgapped laptop wallet? do you leave it completely airgapped forever or do you connect to the monero network just once after sending your funds to the wallet to confirm they are received? my autism wouldnt let me make a cold wallet without checking to make sure the funds are there i dont know why but i would feel massive anxiety not seeing the digits on the screen and knowing if the transfer actually happened

>>55439482
>>55439482
wow this guy is a retard who drank the demoshit koolaid

>>55440701
suck my nuts faggot

>>55440599
Passport isn't proprietary, the pcb files, everything, are open source and they give step-by-step instructions on how to build the firmware from source.

>>55440631

>>55440941
I prefer the fat stereotype

The internet is centralized as fuck, https://ciscorank.com/

Just seeing endless corporate garbage where google and microsoft own the attention of the internet is a red pill on its own and reddit, twitter tik tok with all the same centralized garbage i ask you guys how is decentralization going to win.

Because it looks like the general population just wants comfy shit with blue colors that look like corporate family friendly garbage, can someone explain how is decentralization going to win if we take into account the internet was supposed to be decentralized and yet people group together like cattle around corporate entitys that spy on them and give them shitty ads.

The chinese have wechat which is their everything app, the what will happen in the west, personally i think etherium has the biggest chance of winning the market, this multipolar future of diferent sidechains doesn't work because people eventually flock to the most popular sidechain, also etherium has no major obstacle because not only it is a jp morgan toy its also the darling of the sec, heck even if the sec declares tomorrow etherium is a security it wont damage its network effect, all cryptos are competing against each other and while some try to ignore that reality by saying oh muh shiba is just a meme metcalfes law is real and there will only be one true chain that will act as decentralized identity, decentralized money, i know monero has a big chance to remain by the fact alone its the only crypto that preserves the full spiritual cyberpunk spirit because its the only coin thats trully anonimous but that wont matter if the rest of humanity starts using centralized garbage just like how centralized the internet is right now and i don't see the fediverse winning in the long term or at least i don't feel the UX is ready yet. Thoughts

>>55440863
Here's my thought on Passport.

Cons:
>trezor-firmware Contains a copy of the Trezor source code in order to use Trezor's crypto library. Only a small subset of this source code is included in Passport.
They use the code from Trezor, it can't be right. It's like when you buy a Samsung phone and the source code says that it uses the code from Xiaomi phone.

>I saw people asking for Monero support in Passport, and thought I could help start the process. I will be contributing to this minimally, if at all.
This "minimal contribution" triggers my autism.

>Magic Backups uses end-to-end encryption to back up your seed and application data, without requiring email, password, or any personal information into your iCloud or Android account
Same BS as Ledger

- Limited direct wallet support
Judging from their interface, I can't see support for XMR and USDT token, only Bitcoin. They need at least support 3 coins to be useful : XMR, BTC and USDT.
Perhaps it's possible if you connect it to Monero GUI or Feather Wallet, but it's another additional steps. I want direct support, the phone hardware is powerful enough, so there's no excuse except for laziness.

Pros:
- Big screen
- Intuitive interface, just like your phone
- Secure Element
- Open Source

Remember, this is their first product so I'm sure they'll fuck it up somehow just like first release of Ledger and Trezor

>>55441070

Black markets are eternal.

>>55440805
https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2868/is-there-any-way-to-construct-a-transaction-manually
You're welcome. I wish they would just make it part of the OP wordwall.
>>55440863
Look dude, if you're going to use proprietary shit to show off your 3 inch e-peen then just put what you're willing to lose on exodus like all the other normalfags. Adding toys is just admitting that you want the attention.

>>55439451
>>55439482
Yeah I just saw this guy's shit takes as well, and your posts are just the tip of the iceberg. Consistently pro-state-overreach, pro-censorship, anti-freedom takes. Incredibly inconsistent with being involved in Monero. Embarrassing.

No ETFs for this shitcoin kek

>>55441505
yeah, because it's not for investing, it's for transactions

>>55441505
I want bitcoin to win yet why its still so shit, its development is slow and etherium will overtake bitcoin which is so so sad, bitcoin it needs lower fees, privacy and scaling in the main chain idk how lightning works yet its so shit the ux fucking sucks

>>55441396
Phew, I just took a quick scroll through his Twitter. I honestly don't know what people like see him in Monero. I'm an unironic ancap and believe it would help bring my wet dreams of overthrowing central banking and the state to fruition. If this dude sees something in Monero that would help his political ambitions, I'm curious what they are because I'm concerned.

>>55438818
>>55441286
>Noooo you can't use a purpose built hardware wallet with open source software, software, and schematics, that's proprietary
>Use a laptop instead, nevermind that it's backdoored by the feds via Intel ME
????

>>55441784
*open source firmware, software

>>55428524
Still here, and i believe the captains lurking.
i just use monero and buy more. simple as

>>55433754
The cheapest latest android phone you can find. Phones are unironically more secure than your average COMPED pc

Realistically what are the chances of Linux laptop leaking your seed online?
Even if someone somehow steals your wallet file(some keylogger?) It's encrypted.
I'm not worried about physical access but there is always disc encryption just to be sure.

Does anyone know where the "777 million" anonset number comes from for the full membership proofs? He says 110^4, but that doesn't add up.

>>55414449
Dullard. Money supply has no barring on (real) economic growth

>>55435217
I am quite chilled and relaxed with monero, it's the most used crypto, (used for real transaction I mean), and the only coin with real privacy and most people aren't using it like a trading instrument.
And thank you for the info on sylo, might have to put some savings into it since inflation's currently just eating my cash savings, esp now that I can use it for purchases in real life

>>55442890
>Does anyone know where the "777 million" anonset number comes from
Yea, it comes from a place called Buchenwald in Germany.

PS: pol here.

>>55443026
>Dullard. Money supply has no barring on (real) economic growth

Yes, if everybody stopped spending and instead held out for 5 figures it would have no impact on the economy.

>>55443998
Again that's a Keynesian argument that doesn't hold water, since it's impossible for anyone to infinitely defer spending.
Reduced prices due to a moderately deflationary currency & the incentive to save, and no more incentives for zombie corps & diversity hires via the free money printer, is a much better system. Even Monero is deflationary, accounting for coin loss.

>>55444725
>it's impossible for anyone to infinitely defer spending.

If you're talking about spending fiat within the mainstream economy, sure. If you're talking about spending crypto, then no. Its actually very easy to not spend something that isn't legal tender in the first place, especially if you're utterly convinced that what you hold today will be worth millions in future.

TL;DR: moonfags don't spend their stash because they treat it like a lottery ticket rather than currency.

I got $4k to drop on a XMR rigs. What would you say is a good setup hardware-wise?

>>55444944
That's the end goal no? For a sizeable portion of the economy to use crypto, to spend in and save in it after the gambling phase is over and volatility has gone way down (as it has been steadily doing).
YouTube clickbait aside, the idea that any widely-adopted deflationary crypto like Monero or Bitcoin should steadily go up forever as people save in it is reasonable, not as a insta-lottery ticket, but as a steady way to build wealth.

>>55445172
>For a sizeable portion of the economy to use crypto,

lol. As has already been pointed out here countless times: the future of digital payments in the mainstream economy is Fedcoin, not Bitcoin or Monero or anything else. There is no reason for the State to not give its CBDC a monopoly and marginalize everything else that competes with it.

>the idea that any widely-adopted deflationary crypto like Monero or Bitcoin should steadily go up forever as people save in it is reasonable, not as a insta-lottery ticket, but as a steady way to build wealth.

Look ma, moonfag math! I'm genuinely fascinated how you people actually believe this nonsense.

>>55445401
>There is no reason for the State to not give its CBDC a monopoly and marginalize everything else that competes with it.
There are reasons.
Not that it matters. XMR is censorship resistant. They cant make a hard ban. And if they make a hard ban it will fail and they will look weak and stupid. Thats why they tolerate it as is.
The problem behind monero and other stuff is the human element. Niggers and reatrds supporting the system and trannys/cucks like you who are demotalised into submision. So there is no need to ban it since your kinds make up 95%of the pop. But that doesnt mean that smart people like me wont form paralel ecoomies and networks.
T.prepers

Now go fuck your ugly nigger hungry wife and rationalise how being a slave is slightly better that having the balls and wits to win the freedom God intended for you.

>>55445570

lol so much for reading comprehension.

>>55445401
>The future is CBDCs, don't try to fight it, just accept your fate, corral yourselves into a tiny sliver of the economy where you can be cut off from the rest of the world. Anyone who disagrees is le heckin moonboi
Your faggy capitulation to the feds, before CBDCs have even been released, before even trying to put up a resistance, makes me think you're a glownigger plant

>>55441784
Just to play devil's advocate: What's the difference between using a passport/trezor/ledger with a cellphone and just using a software wallet app loaded with money you're willing to lose like the guy your replying to you suggests?
>>55444994
Intel i9s, water cooled.

>>55445703

Holy shit, can none of you midwits read?!

No, dipshit, the future is CBDCs for white markets, crypto (XMR) for black markets.

We can't force the State to tolerate Monero or make it legal tender but we can withdraw and build our own parallel economy that the State has no authority over e.g. darknet markets.

>>55445793
I read it fucking fine, you're completely ceding all ground that matters to the feds without even trying to make a better system for the vast majority of people who will always use white markets. Finance, banking, the money printer, all of it, you're just bending over for the feds, content to dick around in the sandbox the let you keep.

>>55445793
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Potassium intensifies

>>55445842
>without even trying to make a better system for the vast majority of people who will always use white markets.

Trying? Are you dense? The State calls ALL the shots in the white market, crypto-anarchists have no leverage there.

And there's NO WAY the State will tolerate Monero given how effective it is at circumventing capital controls.

Any truly censorship-resistant, truly decentralized crypto will inevitably be seen and treated like a threat.

Ergo, parallel economy.

>>55441135
>They use the code from Trezor, it can't be right
In what way is it not right? Is Trezor not good or do you mean it is bad for them to copy it?

>This "minimal contribution" triggers my autism.
Hopefully they'd actually be willing to merge contributions.

>I want direct support, the phone hardware is powerful enough, so there's no excuse except for laziness.
>Pros:
>- Open Source
It would probably mean actually buying a Passport, but you could make the contribution. You can build a Monero version to your vision and perhaps other people will see you are building something useful and chip in.

>Remember, this is their first product so I'm sure they'll fuck it up somehow just like first release of Ledger and Trezor
Maybe, I learned about their existence from this thread. However, it being open means people can extend it how they see fit. Bethesda games are shit yet modders make them good, and this seems much more open than that.

Normie tier stuff is good, especially if it is open source from top to bottom.

>>55445842
The point is, we don't need their permission. While being able to operate openly is an obvious benefit, it isn't necessary for us. Unfortunately it seems as though the most politically well connected people are more than willing to sell us out to get their bag. Hopefully there can be political wins, but again, they're not exactly necessary.

>>55445894
If the state had their way crypto wouldn't exist in the first place, Monero wouldn't, Bitcoin wouldn't, none of it. The fact that it's made so much headway in everyday life that the feds feel the need to make a CBDC while the SEC runs defense, or that African countries are shitting themselves over it, means the state doesn't call all the shots, and that there is a chance for white markets to operate under a better system.

>>55445912
It's not necessary for you or I or any of the other autists here, but the vast majority of people aren't like that, and will choose convenience over freedom or privacy. They shouldn't be left for the feds to herd into CBDCs.

>>55446007
What do you think you or I can do to affect how the state judges Monero? The only thing I can really think of is having lawyers bring lawsuits for certain state actions. Other than that, just try to inform people to try to reach some kind of critical mass.

>>55446051
Don't get me wrong, black markets are great. But if that's all it is, and it has no support in white markets or among ordinary people/businesses, then the feds will meet no resistance in trying to sandbox it as much as possible, shutting down merchants on LocalMonero, delisting it from exchanges, flagging Bitcoin associated with XMR/BTC atomic swaps. Sure there will always be a way to get money in/out, but you lose ordinary people if it's too convoluted.
That's why I think Monero as an investment or savings vehicle shouldn't be dismissed. That gets broad support from ordinary people. Or Monero for use in legitimate businesses that need to hide their cash flows. Of course being the darknet currency is important, but so is having broad appeal.

>>55445983
>If the state had their way crypto wouldn't exist in the first place, Monero wouldn't, Bitcoin wouldn't, none of it.

>lol the State hasn't even taken the gloves off yet. The worst is yet to come.


>The fact that it's made so much headway in everyday life that the feds feel the need to make a CBDC while the SEC runs defense, or that African countries are shitting themselves over it, means the state doesn't call all the shots, and that there is a chance for white markets to operate under a better system.


OK, genius, and what exactly is going to prevent the State from rolling out their Fedcoin and giving it a monopoly on payments? Its as simple as declaring CBDCs legal tender and inhibiting the use of everything else. You already can't buy Monero in Australia, South Korea and Japan because of governmental pressure. Maybe try reversing that shit for a start.

>>55446116
>flagging Bitcoin associated with XMR/BTC atomic swaps.
Are there cases of "pranks" where people would send tainted coins to whales wallets?
Taint them all!

>>55446123
Then maybe try working towards generating broad appeal, instead of shitting on anyone who deviates from your darknet currency narrative.
It's easy to imagine all remaining countries banning Monero and blocking almost all on/off ramps. But the number of legitimate businesses and people who would lose their shit at the feds if they tried to ban Bitcoin or Ethereum outright makes it near impossible to pull of.
What I'm getting is that you want CBDCs to take over all white markets, not because it's good, but so that you can be right and be king of the little sliver you have left.

>>55446170
>It's easy to imagine all remaining countries banning Monero
Yes but that's not how it will go down.
David Kim was talking about this in one of his videos.
Basically the higher the stakes the higher chance of people being selfish and fucking over the rest.
If 99% of countries bans monero the 1% left will atract all the talent and profit from the new lucrative technology.
Also swaps exist for this very reason.

>>55446215
I agree with you, but the same is true of the other major cryptocurrencies to then, which makes the statement of >>55446123 that "Its as simple as declaring CBDCs legal tender and inhibiting the use of everything else" also extremely unlikely. States have every reason to be greedy about BTC, ETH, etc., too. Congress is already freaking out at the SEC for scaring off business.

>>55446116
>black markets are great. But if that's all it is
Ideally it isn't all it is, but that's a question of politics. So yeah, getting more normie adoption is a good priority since it will help with the political question in some way. I hope you have some good ideas for that stuff since I'm not particularly interested in the political side of things. It definitely would be nice to not incriminate myself just by having or discussing Monero. I doubt it will get to that point in the US no matter what I do. There's lots of means of control that aren't as direct that still works to suppress. I would be interested in seeing some kind of free speech argument to the use of Monero. If people like Elizabeth Warren get their way, it would have to be fought in the courts.

>I think Monero as an investment or savings vehicle shouldn't be dismissed
The biggest issue I have with this is the implied idea that you're seeking fiat for it in the future. It is more or less fine if that's what gets people interested, but the broader Monero culture shouldn't embrace talking about fiat prices. It is fine as an incidental or occasional topic, but ultimately that's not what we're invested in Monero for. So yeah, it is an investment, but an investment in being free from state control of the medium of exchange.

>>55446245
All you need is someone like Bukele realizing that bitcoin isn’t the only crypto and passing a “XMR is legal tender here but if you’re a business you’ll need to provide us with a view key to ensure that you’re not using it to dodge taxes” law and the momentum to ban it pretty much dies right then and there. Or the CIA declares him a dangerous threat to democracy and launches an invasion to preserve (((human rights))) or whatever

>>55446116
>Don't get me wrong, black markets are great.

Black markets are permissionless. White markets are not.

>But if that's all it is, and it has no support in white markets or among ordinary people/businesses, then the feds will meet no resistance in trying to sandbox it as much as possible, shutting down merchants on LocalMonero, delisting it from exchanges, flagging Bitcoin associated with XMR/BTC atomic swaps.

See, that's the great thing about truly anti-fragile systems: it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks or does.

>That's why I think Monero as an investment or savings vehicle shouldn't be dismissed. That gets broad support from ordinary people

As previously explained, crypto as an investment doesn't work if most people buying it expect future profits, the math don't allow it, you're squarely in ponzi territory at that point.

>>55446170
>Then maybe try working towards generating broad appeal

lol

>your darknet currency narrative.

The darknet currency narrative is consistent with established reality and requires NO concessions from the State. Truly permissionless.

>But the number of legitimate businesses and people who would lose their shit at the feds if they tried to ban Bitcoin or Ethereum outright makes it near impossible to pull of.

Actual LOL. Yes, the State lives in fear of all the Bitcoin and Ethereum-holding puppet masters out there hahahahaha

>What I'm getting is that you want CBDCs to take over all white markets, not because it's good, but so that you can be right and be king of the little sliver you have left.

Yes, I'm literally on my knees praying for CBDCs to come and take my freedoms away. Nimrod.

I suggest you read the Crypto-Anarchist and Cypherpunk Manifestos to get a better sense of what this is actually all about. SPOILER: it ain't about pumping your bags.

I just bought more because it's one of the few coins I am seeing in use by people and shops.

>>55445912
>In what way is it not right? Is Trezor not good or do you mean it is bad for them to copy it?
It's not bad, GPL code allows it as long as they share their modification, but for-profit company with million dollar budget isn't supposed to do that, it's embarrassing. Like I said, if I find out that Google's Pixel Experience is copying code from Samsung's One UI, that's a major fuck up.

>It would probably mean actually buying a Passport, but you could make the contribution. You can build a Monero version to your vision and perhaps other people will see you are building something useful and chip in.
We'll see, in time. I know most router is shit but it's modable with OpenWRT.

>Maybe, I learned about their existence from this thread. However, it being open means people can extend it how they see fit. Bethesda games are shit yet modders make them good, and this seems much more open than that.
I'm 100% sure they'll fuck it up. Trezor One doesn't have any support for Monero and Ledger Nano S supports only three (3) apps. No matter what mod you install, you can't fix it because of hardware limitation. Right now, they still don't list the size of secure element chip, RAM, eMMC chip.

Anyway, I still think software wallet, like Trezor Suite, Monero GUI or Feather Wallet with full-disk encryption and Linux OS is just much better. Buy one or two spare ssd then clone it and you're set for life. All of this talk about hardware wallet is just a fear-mongering tactic to siphon your hard-earned money. Remember, in a few years hardware components will fail (LCD, battery). You'll in panic mode if you can't access your hardware wallet for a few days. This general should really have "best practice for storing monero" pasta.

>>55446424
>Actual LOL. Yes, the State lives in fear of all the Bitcoin and Ethereum-holding puppet masters out there hahahahaha
Wall Street fucking loves crypto because it lets them be even more degenerate with bets and they don’t even have to pretend to care about obeying regulations or reporting it to the SEC. Unless cryptocurrencies can be tied directly to something like JP Morgan collapsing they aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. KYC, more regulations, sure, but no outright bans

>>55446424
All markets, white or black, require trust and permissions. You have buyers, sellers, the shipping provider, and people who run the marketplace, all who require some level of trust in each other. Just because the underlying currency is permissionless doesn't mean black markets are permissionless.

And it does matter what outside powers do. Monero isn't autonomous code, it's people who need to be able to easily participate in the system.

And as long as world governments keep printing money, the value of crypto in terms of that money will keep going up. The expectation that people will continue to flee fiat isn't at all like a Ponzi. It doesn't have to be about face melting gains, but there's value associated with sensible money.

>>55446640
>KYC, more regulations, sure, but no outright bans

KYC'd and regulated crypto is essentially just glorified fiat and therefore has no reason to exist other than as ponzi tokens.

>>55446579
>Like I said, if I find out that Google's Pixel Experience is copying code from Samsung's One UI, that's a major fuck up.
This kind of thing really isn't uncommon though, especially in an open source project. Why recreate all the software from scratch while you're also trying to develop hardware and firmware? Foundation isn't Google or Samsung.

>I'm 100% sure they'll fuck it up.
I see, I'm not too familiar with why Monero has poor purpose-built hardware wallet support. Once (if) they do publish everything, wouldn't that mean people could modify the hardware specs to make it support Monero? Unfortunately not something I could do, but it would make it a lot easier to edit and put in manufacturing orders with most of the work already done. Seems like it could be an opportunity to leverage lower startup costs.

>Anyway, I still think software wallet, like Trezor Suite, Monero GUI or Feather Wallet with full-disk encryption and Linux OS is just much better.
Probably for schizos. A lot of people would prefer to pay someone else to think about the details and just be marketed some well put together product rather than cobbling their own shit together. I've been meaning to go into the schizo camp but I haven't figured out which hardware I want to use.

>>55446724
>Just because the underlying currency is permissionless doesn't mean black markets are permissionless.

Ugh, its like pulling teeth with you. Black markets are permissionless because they are inherently anarchic and self-regulating, there is no supreme authority to enforce rules & regulations like there is in white markets.

Yeah, you can be banned from individual DNMs but there is nothing stopping you from setting up your own darknet webshop and selling cocaine to discerning buyers. Try doing that on the clearnet and see what happens.

>And it does matter what outside powers do. Monero isn't autonomous code, it's people who need to be able to easily participate in the system.

lol you still seem to be struggling with the concept of anti-fragility.

>And as long as world governments keep printing money, the value of crypto in terms of that money will keep going up.

lol 100% guaranteed

>The expectation that people will continue to flee fiat isn't at all like a Ponzi. It doesn't have to be about face melting gains, but there's value associated with sensible money.

Again: it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for everybody buying crypto to profit if most of the people buying said crypto have an expectation of profits. Jesus Christ, do you really not understand how ponzi/pyramid schemes work???

Crypto can only yield sustainable gains if the VAST majority of buyers have ZERO expectation of profits i.e. if they're only buying crypto to use it in the acquisition of goods or services. If there's 1 investor and then 100 new non-investors buy in then the investor has exit liquidity and everybody gets what they expected, rinse & repeat. But if there's 100 investors with only 10 non-investors buying in.....see how the math doesn't work out?

Relying on newer investors to cash out older investors is also mathematically unsustainable, the exponential growth required means you eventually run out of people on the planet and the entire scheme implodes.

>>55447093
This guy remains entirely confused about how the current ponzi fiat system works. Let me spell it out for you. The fiat currencies print unlimited money. The deflationary currency like bitcoin and xmr(soon) do not print any additional money. If the number of investors stays the same and they continue to invest into deflationary currency with their growing fiat currency, they all get rich due to fiat Ponzi scheme. If you don’t get it yet you are not meant to. Get right with God and such.

>>55412682

Captain Chads,

CaptainBlackbeard Radio has secured new funding. New episode will be coming out early-middle of August.

>>55447561
>The fiat currencies print unlimited money. The deflationary currency like bitcoin and xmr(soon) do not print any additional money. If the number of investors stays the same and they continue to invest into deflationary currency with their growing fiat currency, they all get rich due to fiat Ponzi scheme.

lol first of all, being deflationary alone doesn't guarantee future demand and growing value. BTC will soon be worthless on the black market as the number of people willing to accept it in exchange for goods and services goes to zero.

Second, investors can't actually get rich without sufficient exit liquidity. Which again brings up the question: who exactly is buying their bags and why?

>>55447935
You simply don’t get it. The fuck the matter with you. I guess you can’t see a dying currency and the effects of it. Asset inflation in every sector, financial bubbles and unpayable debt. Inevitable inflation of USD. A whole ecosystem of companies, countries, very rich whales, etc, support BTC. There is a set amount of BTC and they don’t plan on selling it for a devalued fiat currency. Only getting more devalued fiat currency into BTC. XMR benefits from all of this of course.

Still an infinite supply shitcoin.

I started running XMRig in nanopool about 12 hours ago. When can I actually expect a single return to the wallet I configured?

If crypto created energy then we would be outcompeting the us dollar in no time at least i am glad crypto has outcompeted the venezuelan coin, argentina, but the ultimate shitcoin is the us dollar and everything will fall before the us dollar.

>>55449522
Depends on how much mining power you have

>>55449590
I'm using a Ryzen 4650G.

I just want to know when to expect even one reward.

>>55449611
I've got not the best news.
At 3400H/s (I assume) you will make 0.0006114 XMR per 24hours or about $0.10. Dont know what the minimum payout is for that pool but...

>>55449626
What about a ryzen 7950X? That's what I have on my main workstation Windows PC, but I still get the message "Failed to apply MSR mod" even though I have secureboot disabled.

>>55449642
26000 H/s 0.004747XMR per day or $0.781, $285 per year. You can check xmrig for avg benchmarks.

No idea about the error, also check out p2pool I dont know if they still raffle out free temp hashrate

>>55448141

>I guess you can’t see a dying currency and the effects of it. Asset inflation in every sector, financial bubbles and unpayable debt. Inevitable inflation of USD.

You are correct, a "failure" of fiat is likely. But the results will be different. If you're a young american you haven't gone through monetary reform before so I forgive your ignorance. Many places in the world went through this. The Collapse of the USSR or Eurozone creation/expansion are just prominent examples.

It will be a controlled demolition where the current system is replace by a new system. You will be handed a fixed exchange rate calculated by the elite. Depending on the state of CBDC readiness we might even get different rates depending on social credit, victim status or skin color. But thats it. the next day you go to the coffee shop like before and get charged the new currency.

Even if you had anticipated this and fled into BTC, your offramp now consists of a surveillance token. And your BTC holdings aren't even secret on an open ledger.

So who is buying your BTC? What are you getting in return? Why would anyone else want BTC? What is the value proposition of this pseudo-custodial BTC that can only be traded with government/central bank approval.

>>55448141
>I guess you can’t see a dying currency and the effects of it. Asset inflation in every sector, financial bubbles and unpayable debt. Inevitable inflation of USD.

lol none of this has anything to do with the crypto ponzinomics being discussed.

>A whole ecosystem of companies, countries, very rich whales, etc, support BTC.

lol yeah, they're all hardcore freedom-loving cypherpunks now. Jesus Christ.

>There is a set amount of BTC and they don’t plan on selling it for a devalued fiat currency. Only getting more devalued fiat currency into BTC.

Cool, and then what?

>XMR benefits from all of this of course.

XMR benefits solely from demand tied to permissionless economic activity. Everything else is either permissioned or speculative and therefore tenuous.

>>55449642
all you have to do to fix that error is run xmrig as root/admin.

7950x would make you a few nickels a day if running 24/7 at like 80-90% load. Just be careful because I know those chips tend to run a little hotter than past generations.

>>55447935
> You can get rich
Nworder!, with privacy and autonomy minded frens like monerochads on this thread I am already rich!

>>55449853
Your failed states were never the international reserve currency. The USD money printer will keep going regardless of how worthless USD becomes. That devaluation will reflect in BTC price, XMR price, any deflationary asset and all asset price. The people buying BTC will continue to be any investor searching to beat inflation for yields in bubbleland safely. The investors don’t give a fuck about privacy, just beating inflation. Plenty of value proposition, plenty of support, reflected in its unthinkable relatively stable current price of 30k.

>>55449866
Checked mini Satan. You don’t see reality you see what is best for XMR growth in a non ponzi fantasy world. The reality is the world is full of ponzis, the financial system is full of speculation. You can’t hide from them, BTC has already embraced them. XMR will be lucky if it avoids them to the same degree, it might mean slower pumps and dumps and more stability. But more likely we already have some whales with some XMR speculating out there.

>>55450629
>it might mean slower pumps and dumps and more stability
You don’t seem to be getting it. XMR’s appeal is as a currency, what you said is a GOOD thing for currencies. I don’t give a fuck what the moonfags say because their only goal in buying XMR is to trade it for more fiat than they bought it for. They care about pumps and dumps, because all they care about is accumulating more fiat oblivious to the fact that they’re operating in an elaborate ponzi scheme that will collapse eventually (soon), meanwhile actual users just want slow steady growth of value

>>55449866
litterly the entire finacial system is a ponzi nigger

>>55450629
>The people buying BTC will continue to be any investor searching to beat inflation for yields in bubbleland safely
then why not do the thing thats been proven for a thousend years and just buy metals? i get the whole future aspect but if beating inflation is you're goal why not go with the safe option?

>>55450688
a good decentralized free currency is also coincidentally a good store of value. Buy and hold XMR

>>55450785
Man gets it
>>55450793
Sir, its all a fucking ponzi. Bitcoin was built for this environment. I don't want stacks of fucking rocks, I want
>A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.

It is deflationary, it is pumped beyond belief, and it is not going away. And the changes it brings is good for xmr. And it will pump further beyond belief because.
> it is deflationary

It has indeed been nigger jewed, but because

> it is deflationary

it cant be stopped. If they dump any deflationary coin which has proven itself as a store of value, BUY. Each the stupid BCH pumping makes sense for this reason.

The state of the nigger jew boomer nourished financial system is a travesty. BTC is righting a wrong with the entire system, xmr is serving a different usecase.

>>55450845>A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.
greed is the only thing you can count on so dont bet on it in one form or another

>>55450629
>The reality is the world is full of ponzis, the financial system is full of speculation.

Oh, so what's one ponzi more, right? Spoken like a true moonfag.

Nothing you say actually addresses the elephant in the room: the mathematical impossibility of every crypto investor getting more out than they put in if everybody is buying in to profit later.

>BTC has already embraced them

lol so by embracing the ponzi Bitcoin has transcended the ponzi, right? Verily I say unto you, Bitcoin is a horde of cyber wolves saluting the ambassadors of brilliance, uploaded into a never-ending stream of prosperity, assembling even smarter, faster and stronger into a vortex of endless potential!

>XMR will be lucky if it avoids them to the same degree

Speculators are inevitable but unlike Bitcoin Monero has growing shadow economy adoption, it doesn't need sustained speculation to survive and thrive.

>>55450785
>litterly the entire finacial system is a ponzi nigger

And? That doesn't make "crypto as an investment" any less of a ponzi scheme.

>>55450956
>>55450939
this anon is right in that the greater fool ponzi scheme is not a sustainable model for crypto long term. yes if you buy in early enough you might profit, but you are in the minority. crypto should not be treated as a number go up investment but rather as a decentralized currency that is backed by real world economic activity. from that perspective as McAfee would say xmr is the only damn crypto that is used

>>55451101
When the world came out of WWII the GBP tanked against the USD, not because one was more of a Ponzi than the other, but because an old financial system was being replaced with a new one. There is real value in certain cryptos (BTC, XMR) if you think they'll be the new financial system to replace the old.
Some of it will be real economic activity, some from people fleeing the old system, and some from speculation. But eventually speculative and real value reach a balancing point, and things level out, where further increase is just due to GDP growth & deflation of the money supply.
None of that is a Ponzi. By saving you're "buying" a percentage of the global net worth. Eventually people divest from it to buy things. But there's a stable point in which BTC is slowly, but continuously growing against a failing USD, the same way physical land continuously appreciates.

>>55451797
>>55451101
I mean sure, if everyone simultaneously divested from their land holdings, there wouldn't be enough liquidity to cover everyone at the "value" of their land, same with stocks, or gold, or literally anything. But land, stocks, and gold are still decently workable systems that people keep buying into.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>55451797
>>55451822
>There is no end to NGU and we're ALL going to make it!

Sure, pal, whatever helps you sleep at night.

I hate crypto so much

>>55450629
>The USD money printer will keep going regardless of how worthless USD becomes.
You are aware it's not actually a physical printer? So the money-"printing" can just as easily continue in CBDC form.

I didn't think I'd need to say this in /xmr/ of all places, but ALL CBDC "features" rely on cash not existing. CBDC existing alongside of cash is just a worse version of what we have today. Cash will either not exist at all, OR exist in a heavily restricted way where getting it or spending it becomes difficult.

>The investors don’t give a fuck about privacy, just beating inflation.
Yes, and how are they going to beat inflation in a CBDC world? You think the fed is just gonna watch most of m1 disappear into the blockchain when it's trying to get you to spend it? They're gonna block it, tax it, charge you extra for it, anything to make that deal not profitable in the first place. Avoiding it? even though you're jumping from one open ledger to another?

I don't think people fully grasp how the world is going to look like in 10 years. You're not gonna just go on amazon and order what you want. This "free" trade will cease to exist in the public square.

>>55451797
>When the world came out of WWII the GBP tanked against the USD, not because one was more of a Ponzi than the other, but because an old financial system was being replaced with a new one
The sterling area that existed prewar continued after the war. The number of countries involved and that used sterling as a reserve currency declined because of lack of confidence in the currency due to Britain's place in the world post war.
The US dollar was adopted by some nations because the US had evacuated many nations gold reserves for "safe keeping" and refused to return it. They persuaded continental european nations, significantly France, as well as Australia and Japan to instead use USD, guarantee convertibility of their currencies to USD and assured them USD could be exchanged for gold in the future: the Bretton Woods system. Eventually the France called their bluff in 1971 and asked for their gold, the Swiss demanded some too and Germany withdrew the Deutschemark from the system because they were unwilling to devalue it any further (the US had been printing too many dollars almost since the inception of the system).
The two systems had little to do with each other, and co-existed until the collapse of the Bretton Woods system. Therefore your comparisons are fundamentally flawed.

>>55453384
theyll just pass some jewish laws to outlaw physical cash so the liquidity will dry up and only bad goys will do it. and obviously the value of physical will deteriorate as a result. good goys will use their CBDC to purchase goy approved products because that allows their bank account to be turned off at will should they step out of line and unionize with amazon wagies or something similarly rebellious

how do you guys feel about zephyr?
it's essentially XMR + DJED (stablecoin)

several monero miners have moved over due to profitability and are naturally insta dumping for xmr or whatever

I am thinking about shamelessly stealing all your monerochans for shilling it, thanks

>>55454803
forgot pic

>>55454819
>>55454803
All my Monero chans are under strict copyright. If you use them to shill your flavor of the month shitcoin, I will sue you for all your Monero.

>>55412371
kek this pic is hilarious

why is this thread so slow? where the fuck are monerobros dont act like you have a life and are doing 4th of july bbqs with drinks and women

>>55455194
She needs to learn trigger discipline

>>55455582
shes fucking engaging in celebratory gunfire for 4th of july faggot and with tits like that shes allowed to put her finger anywhere she wants including your butthole

>>55455834
God i wish she would

>>55454803
>stablecoin
Stable to what? You can't have a stablecoin without a centralized institution. Nice try you filthy pajeet

Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko

full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace

Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.

Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman problem )

>>55456788
why don't you take a minute to read the fucking whitepaper you stupid fucking nigger?
this is why nobody shills anything, because your instant reply is
>jeet scam
you are fucked in the head, kys for ruining this board

>>55440472
>RIP twitter. You will not be missed
S to spit.

>>55457277
very cool project.

what's the best way to run i2p? on my main machine? i also have a small, cheap office pc i could use as a dedicated node. could i use that similar to how i use a different pc as monero node that i connect wallets on my main machine to?

>>55457397
>what's the best way to run i2p?

https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/introduction-to-i2p:1

https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/how-i-run-darknets-from-my-home-internet:2

https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/i2p-easy-install-bundle:7

https://odysee.com/@doingfedtime:1/get-on-dread-and-i2p-in-less-than-10:b

https://odysee.com/@doingfedtime:1/worlds-first-i2p-by-default-live-os:6

https://odysee.com/@doingfedtime:1/easy-remote-diy-i2p-dedicated-server:6

https://odysee.com/@doingfedtime:1/i2p-easy-installer-vs-i2p-installer:a

>>55457426
thanks!

>>55454819
someone already beat you to it...

>>55457338
Make your own board shitskin.
Also fuck stablecoins.

poompa

A new Monero Extremist establishment has begun service: http://kyun2mtuhxm5h5pie7ixowfsersg5bpk47ym3pkcr5ajxvjhdadbrxqd.onion/services

You can rent VPS machines in quite cheap prices. Payment is Monero-only!

tfw you got into xmr because you hate jews, every time I buy/trade more I just know some jew will never get it.

>>55458080
Every DCA purchase is another Redditors future I get to hoard.

god is good.

>>55447758
fucking based, love the show and seeing the captain more and more in the XMR community

>>55412371
monerochad bros, where can I buy a linux laptop with moneros?

>>55423977
>>55434522
Last time I used localmonero I mailed cash. Is that no longer an option?

>>55457277
>Introducing Neveko: https://github.com/creating2morrow/neveko
>
>full-stack privacy application with gpg messaging, monero multisig and built-in i2p marketplace
>
>Still a work in progress, and pretty much an alpha. But run it, and give feedback, file issues---very much appreciated.
>
>Monero + I2P = ( THE FINAL SOLUTION to the taxman problem )

Unfathomably based and agoristpilled. Kudos for going with I2P instead of Tor, this is the way.

Post a reminder in every General, this is exactly the kind of thing the circular Monero economy needs.

>>55458639
cash by mail is still listed as an option, maybe not for every seller in your area but its still an option on the site..

>>55457920
>A new Monero Extremist establishment has begun service: http://kyun2mtuhxm5h5pie7ixowfsersg5bpk47ym3pkcr5ajxvjhdadbrxqd.onion/services
>
>You can rent VPS machines in quite cheap prices. Payment is Monero-only!

This is going to be a problem:
>Kyun requires Javascript. We have no ads, trackers, analytics, miners, fingerprinting or any spyware on our website, we only use Javascript for fetching data from our API and rendering the UI.

Standard darknet OPSEC dictates JS be disabled, you'll be losing a shitload of potential customers this way.

Also consider setting up an eepsite mirror, I2P is the future.

>>55458726
Nojs mode and i2p mirror for kyun is in the works.

>>55412371
will my private node still get blockchain updates if I don't forward 18080 from my docker container or even my router?

>>55458618
moneromarket.io used to have a few thinkpads check there

>>55459244
some cool options on there thanks

>>55459154
>Nojs mode and i2p mirror for kyun is in the works.

Excellent.

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>>55412371
why are so many crypto people so vehemently against freedom?
even if you're a self-described "bitcoin-maxi", monero is scarcer than bitcoin until around 2038 or something.... both will have infinite emissions relative to your life-span... so why the hate?
it's $170 - owning 1 even as a hedge is simply responsible at this point in the game.