/biz/ - Business & Finance

Bump for interest. I don't think people would ever group up to do something as crazy as that but it's often annoying to get any non-crypto, non-shitpost discussions going on.

There was an anon here months ago that had a freelancer general and those where really comfy to hang out in.

>>55441637
Because there's vile people here that will ruin any efforts made. You have (somewhat) a better chance on sites where people aren't entirely anonymous

>>55441637
It isn’t enough that I succeed but that other should fail as well. And by others I mean you.

>>55441637
We collectively told anyone who would listen about literally the most important asset of our generation, bigger than Amazon, as big as the internet. And then we talked about it non stop for 6 years.
What the fuck more do you want from us?

>frog new fag doesn't understand the nature of anonymous posters
Leave. Like seriously fuck off and never post again

>>55441637
Oldfag here,
I make an extra $200K/yr with my indoor shrimp farm. It was discussed often a few years ago but you are just a weaboo faggot troon who complains about housing prices and boomers all the time so you probably missed it. I would say I'm sorry but I'm not.

>>55441682
Looks legit, even got the Zog id.

>>55441689
kek
nothing compared to my garloid farm

>>55441689
That sounds retarded and probably smells like shit

any good constructive ideas on any board are mobbed by glowies, discord troons, kikes, shitposters and any combo of the aforementioned

>>55441912
why is that anyway? are they just trying to lower social mobility?

>>55441637
PVP is ON. go try reddit

>>55441912
The Tuvalu invasion was unironically a good and funny idea that could have easily been carried out. The glowniggers wouldn’t give a shit

>>55441920
they can't actually compete and therfore hate competition

>>55441637
I'm invested in a couple of crypto projects that were born out of discord servers from people that routinely browse biz. I've tried posting about them or mentioning them by name in posts asking for advice, but there's just no way of getting through the sea of anons yelling "SCAM" or "POO IN LOO". Anyway, the only engaging answers I've ever gotten are clearly from folks who are already invested, who are also in the same discord servers I'm in, kek.

So yeah, long story short we *do* collectively help each other, but only within certain groups, because most random anons are skeptical of shiny new projects. Rightly so.

>>55441637
remote pentester general should come back but I guess nobody cares or is autistic enough

>>55441970
I'll post something useful then just to spite them.
Anons take the Owner Operator pill. Given how autistic you all are when it comes to numbers you'd love it. Plus its comfy. You can listen to podcasts and shitpost at the rest stops. You can also use leverage to grow the business. Anyone else have ideas?

>>55441637
Because trading is a zero sum game. If you want to take profit, you get it from deceiving others.

>>55442101
That’s a great gig for an autist if you enjoy it/have the dedication to become good at it.

>>55441637
Because that would require trust and I don't even trust 4chumb enough to post a pic where anything even remotely identifiable is visible

So if we create a trustless system we can do it?

>>55441637
Because I don't want to help you. You people are fucking retarded.

>>55442291
Aren't you more retarded for hanging out with us?

Most people here are dumb and I’d never trust them with my money in any capacity. Lot of scammers, too, but I guess they fit into the aforementioned category

Isn't crypto supposed to solve these issues? What the fuck is the point of this 2 trillion dollar industry if it can't result in organic project administration?

I originally came here for help and to learn but I quickly learned that this board is a shit hole and 95% of people here need to die because they are completely worthless and don't contribute anything to society and dont know fuck all about business or investing and instead are chasing the most retarded investments possible (and some of them are actually making money which is disgusting, and even more disgusting than that is they think they're actually good investors when they aren't, it's just that the markets are distorted by the fuxking government) and so i just learned all this shit by myself and I'm not sharing any of my knowledge except for with a select few and the rest of you and all the other people can burn in hell and die and starve.


Thanks.

>>55442533
who hurt you people

>>55442544
Me kek.

We could make a DAO. That should solve most of these trustless issues and feelings of not being heard that anons have bitched about in this thread. It would also let you faggots put your money were your mouth is and prove you're God's gift to green earth in doing business as opposed to the current unverified larps.

>>55441637
>Even the retards on /pol/ were trying to set up a PMC a few years ago to invade Tuvalu and set up their own Aryan Island.
That sounds like the brightest glow op ever

Fuck it. I'm going to build a /biz/ DAO. Let's see if blockchain tech can solve low-trust society nigger tier issues in 2023 or if we don't have the social complexity to pull it off.

>>55442554
Do it yeah
>>55442227
You think the few hundred people here influence markets?

>>55441679
/thread

>>55441637
Tell me something I don't know. MNI has already invested in real-world firms such as the Indonesian Coal Mine, and oldfags are reaping the benefits.

>>55441637
What do you think LINK was?

>>55442554
Faggot, count me out. Internal manipulation and questioning are impossible if the DAO does not employ XDAO in the same way as MNICorp does.

>>55441637
>were trying
here's your answer

>>55441637
>>55441670
>>55441679
>>55441682
>>55441685
>>55441687
>>55441689
I would dump on you first chance I got

>>55441670
Yeah, would like a freelance thread going. I am a programmer looking to go freelance and build websites for companies but I will most likely get quickly discouraged by not getting clients.

>>55441637
Anon, I already own a portion of RWA via Non-Fungible Equity, and I staked to earn an APR pegged to USD.

>>55443282
Why do you think bobo keep posting here if they don't get any profit ?

>>55441637
search vrumies on tg

we are making a coin where the liquidity literally comes from /biz/

still very early stages

>>55442229
I would make it a semi-regular thing if I had the skills and could give advice, but I started recently with tryhackme and everything people need is in the archives anyway and most of the challenges are individual and have multiple write-ups on them
There are not many oscp holders so the grind is absolutely worth-it

>>55442295
No just you, filthy nigger frog

>>55441637
I would rug everyone here and their mother if it meant I would get $1 richer. Just because I could.

>>55441637
Most people on this board are so jeety and greedy they wouldn't hesitate to fuck someone else over for 5 dollars, let alone out jewing other scammers which makes everyone incredibly guarded and skeptical against anything brought to the table here. We're not brothers in arms or share some kindred ideology for the most part either, most only care about how much money you make.

>>55441637
most people here are poor. poor people dont help each other. rich people help other rich people. poor people just like to drag each other down so they can feel better about themselves. You need to avoid the company of poor people anon. You need to look for communities of rich people.

I tried to, I sank like 8k into the project, incorporated a company and everything, but then it just died and I was getting doxed for putting ads up. I ended up pulling the few folks funds who had put money in to try and recoup losses. Still feel bad about it, was only a few anons though. One of them put a decent amount of time into the project too.

>>55445079
Also what I learned from this is that ideas like this will get very easy traction, because people want to feel like they’re doing something together with the community, but that’s at the cost of cohesion. You can either have everyone excited at a group project that dies, or you can take ownership of the project at the cost of alienating people with different opinions on what 4chan is.

>>55445079
How did you get doxxed exactly?
>>55445118
Would a decentralized governance mechanism solve that in your opinion?

>>55445275
I put ads sitewide, this was when self serve had just been reinstated and I was the first crypto ad to have been used I believe. Other boards that didn’t like crypto immediately noticed, and tracked the corporate filings.

I think a governance mechanism would be a good solution yes. My biggest issue was I wanted to legally protect anons, so I wanted to use equity not crypto, but the laws around private equity sales are fucking ridiculous.

>>55445305
When I was doing research the laws around DAO are...underwhelming to say the least. My solution was to just not touch that with a ten foot poll and let the DAO figure it out later on. With things like this we are in uncharted waters. Any tips for me from your experience?

>>55441637
Do you understand the nature of autism?
‚We‘ like to avoid other people where we can, we prefer to ‚work‘ alone too.
In addition misanthropy makes it impossible to function well in a team.

>>55441670
No. I'm dead serious and focused on something similar.
>>55441679
Vule people can be recognized, arguing points can be filtered, ai can make it cheap and easy.

>>55441689
That was you?? Those threads were awesome

>>55441637
>Even the glowies on /pol/ were trying to set up a PMC a few years ago to invade Tuvalu and set up their own Aryan Island.
FTFY
Every /pol/ "movement" has resulted in arrests.
Once you consider this, you realize why there is little trust.

>>55446128
Trust is another very good point.
You can’t trust anybody.
Not out there, and not in here either.

Isn't crypto supposed to solve the trust issue?

>>55446168
It does as we speak. But that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

>>55446168
>crypto supposed to solve the trust issue
A vague and futile statement. Even if there was a cryptographic solution (what?) to the trust issue, why would it be implemented here when that would exclude those who rely on trust to manipulate the gullible?

A /biz/ dao could probably work, but it would probably have to be some sort of fund/VC if we want it to make any money

>>55446185
explain? it seems like trust is the most important factor
>>55446211
A large portion of this board are anons who "believe in the technology" and they are joined by a larger cohort that wants to get rich quick. Both can coexist within a platform. They aren't mutually exclusive. An anon could make a 100x off of what I'm talking about and that doesn't take away from the creation of a trustless collaboration network.
>>55446269
This is the biggest sticking point I've thought of. Running this as a thought experiment it's easy to see why people just scam because it's far harder to build something of value.

>>55446319
Yeah its a tricky one, especially if you want to stay anon.
Also, from what I have seen, most "builder" dao dont seem to realy work.
But a fund could be kinda intresting, I dont know how competent most still on this board are

>>55446653
Here's what I've got so far:
1. ETH Token Creation and Voting Mechanism - Including a smart contract audit to make sure it doesn't go tits up.
3. Integration with private discord and telegram
4. /biz/ DAO daily general, 4chan ads, twitter ads, website etc.
5. DAO meetings both public and private voting sessions via discord.
All of that should provide enough of a platform for 4chan to take it and run with it. As long as the basic token and voting mechanism work and are secure everything else can be built piecemeal by the community if they so choose. I imagine it would quickly take on a life of its own so I'm not too concerned with the medium/long term details.

>>55441689
If this isnt a larp then Holy shit I remember those threads. How's buisness?

>>55441637
/pol/'s greatest accomplishment.

If you have any idea of /biz/ being any type of close knit community then you're a moron.
If /biz/ existed 9 years ago and people talked to eachother it would have been viable, right now there's no collective community to do anything with, people show up and leave at high rates. 4chan as a whole is too popular for any type of community to be formed nowadays.

>>55441637
LARPers on /pol/ weren't going to do shit, don't kid yourself.

>>55446715
>>55446653

I wanted to run a /biz/ DAO or 4 Chan clone that required to run mining software (probably just nicehash essentially) at 10% capacity in order to view threads or post. 10% so it doesn't wear down your PC or increase your electricity bill much. Value that can be added to the DAO by simply just being a normal 4Chan user basically.

Make it completely anonymous and the idea is that 50% of the mining profits would go to a treasury and the DAO would vote on how the money is allocated or traded.

The other 50% would be offered as a Chainlink VFR Mega Millions style jackpot where it picks 6 numbers every 3 or 4 days and you are given a ticket based on some metric I haven't completely hashed out yet, pun intended.

Probably in regards to mining contribution. I just want it to be GPU mining though and likely not ASICs because the idea is that it will just be random contributors of the boards who make threads and post comments.

It would be strictly better than what we do now as you just have a chance to win money by shitposting per usual.

Also imagine if that format became the standard. FEDs/Shills would have to pay money to the DAO to spread their trash kek

>>55446876

This is something jews and glowniggers say to prevent the very thing from happening.

>>55441637
I'm helping you now by telling you about Blackswan. the trading bot uses AI to execute instant trades based on news releases. It helps you to enter positions before the market reacts, whether it's bullish or bearish news. You can specify the events you want to trade on. their twitter/website has more info on it

>>55446888
>checked
How would we stop CP though? Isn't that what always kills 4chan clones?

>>55446319
>Both
What about the third wheel who want no-one to get rich or to have a place to talk about emerging technology and instead want to groom anons and manipulate social narratives? Those are the ones i was referring to when i said " those who rely on trust to manipulate the gullible"

>>55446891
I don't know if you're either completely retarded or if you're just new.
I've been using imageboards for a long time and there used to be a point in time where it attracted certain types of people, nowadays practically anyone can be considered a 4chan poster, I was around to see imageboards grow and change overtime and people that use imageboards now are way different from those that used imageboards back then. If you're new then I can understand that you might think it's some type of secret club and you think you're special, it doesn't mean anything other than that you don't know what you're talking about.

>>55446931
>How would we stop CP though? Isn't that what always kills 4chan clones?

How does 4Chan stop it now? 8 Chan/ Infinity Chan didn't seem to have that problem. It lost Cloudflare protections supposedly because of the live streamed Christchurch shooter.

>>55446941

Ironic. I think my point stands you are kike or glownigger. I didn't even imply anything of the sort and you know that. I simply want another 4Chan where people are contributing to a mining pool with a lotter and that votes to direct the rest of the treasury.

Kill yourself. No more (yous) for you.

>>55446962
The problem with this idea is that the FED have infinite budgets. Most 4chan users do not have any budget. You would lose >90% of current users with such a system. (not even including bots/glowies/shills etc.)

>>55446936
Realistically I'd end up dead like those crypto billionaires assuming they didn't fake their deaths to go off grid.

>>55446996
>Most 4chan users do not have any budget.

They don't need any money. They simply run Nicehash or some other mining software on the same PC they use to surf and post on 4Chan but at a low capacity to not destroy their PC. The hash power is combined for all the users and funds sent to a single address. Lottery is commission through Chainlink and the rest is of the funds in the treasury goes to a vote as to what to do with it.

This is isn't that complicated.

>>55447078
What happens when a glowie wins the lottery?

>>55447082

Its very possible they will sometimes. However they will also be bolstering the value lottery if they want to post or make threads.

The bigger issue would probably be how to avoid them controlling the treasury assets through voting. Perhaps just put all of it in a lottery then. They won't always win and probably not even most of the time.

>>55441637
>Why doesn’t this board ever actually do something collectively to help each other
DCA into XMR

>>55447112
I wouldn't use such a platform to be honest. There is still no incentive to work together or real measures to prevent corruption already inherent. All you are suggesting is a shitpost lottery as far as i can tell.
If anons want actual co-operation, they are better off in private groups on other platforms. It is unfortunate, but true, that we are not all friends here. It's one of the main attractions i think.

>>55447159
>I wouldn't use such a platform to be honest.

That's your prerogative then. It would be exactly the same as 4Chan now. A literal clone of all of the boards except now you might wake up to extra funds when that possibility didn't exist prior.

The actual way to win against the corruption is to build parallel systems. People who want to do that often need funding. This is one way to do so.

You don't have to be friends. The only real solution is creating groups in person and offline. This is just one more way some of the right people might end up with extra cash.

You are probably a kike too when what I'm suggesting is strictly better than what we are currently doing.

>>55441637
>Even the retards on /pol/ were trying to set up a PMC a few years ago to invade Tuvalu and set up their own Aryan Island.
What did Tuvalu ever do to them, to merit being invaded?

>>55446888
>>55447078
>>55447192

Bump

I can't believe this thread is still going /biz/ moves at turtle speed now

>>55447192
But you've provided no solutions to the corruption. You are not talking of a parallel system with preventative measures, you are talking about the exact same system but with a lottery implemented. This is not "strictly better" at all. It's the exact same, but with a lottery.
Sounds like a shitcoin pump and dump. Especially when you accuse everyone who has disagreed with you of being a kike while providing no solutions to the actual fucking topic.

>>55441637
>Why doesn’t this board ever actually do something collectively to help each other out

You are either a retard or spiritually a kike or maybe an actual shill. I can't tell. The above sentence is OP's first sentence.

Everyone that comes here to post anyway suddenly agrees mine at 10% capacity using the yield to fund an automated on chain lottery.

You are just being purposely disingenuous thus I'm calling you a kike. There is no token so its not a pump and dump. You aren't buying anything. You aren't doing anything different except now you might win a lottery.

Its the definition of strictly better. Improvements come in steps sometimes. Some things don't have preventative measures. How this would be one parallel system that has all the perks we currently like with an added benefit that doesn't exist.

The system I explained fits directly within the realm of what OP asked. Why don't we collectively help each other. This is one method.

>>55441637
Poor people don’t like working together.

Why don’t you create a discord channel where you can get an invite only if you show proof you hold over $X (maybe over $100k?)

Maybe the proof can be sending 7.77 link to a burn address as a symbolic fee.

Now, glowies will be involved, but maybe you get invited to their club? I’ve heard they throw wild parties. I’d be up to join the elites and neet it up all day as long as they leave me alone and I promise not to interfere with their plans kek

Bump

>>55441637
A bunch of loner autistics that are highly disagreeable would not be able to work together for long. You would need lots of vetting and very good leadership and years of hard work.

The same thing never happens in extreme political circles. Why haven't the communist bought a village in the woods by now? Why haven't far right nationalists done the same? The fact is most people don't have much money and buying real land would mean many of them would have to move hundreds or even 1000+ miles to get there and live on it. The legal situation would be incredibly messy I'm not sure how 30 people pooling their money would work. I almost did this with a group but the guy leading it bailed and just bought his own land instead, as you probably should.

The fact is, a group of dedicated and honest guys could benefit a lot by collectivization, they could buy much bigger and nicer plots of land and develop it easier. We just do not have the human capital to take advantage of this fact. People can't really even form friendships these days, how can average young men form complex business partnerships with essentially anonymous people ? By the time they have enough money to contribute they could just buy their own shit box, that way they have full control over it. It's much less risky. I wish more men would work with me but it's just not really happening.

Ive lurked 4chan for a long time but dont post much because well i dont have much worth to say haha.
But i feel like its been "gentrified" since it became more widely known.
Sometimes i wonder if the more esoteric, intelligent, helpful and/or funny people left or moved on to a new secret location.

>>55451380
Imagine if there were hundreds of people like you, lurking, wondering the same

>>55441637
Board is rife with jews sadly. No one wants to help another man. Also it's mostly soulless bitter losers

>>55441637
ok when proof of person happens and i know its only white people on the board

If you all guys buy 1k+ worth of catgirl you will suddenly make a ultra elon hype that he is pumping the shit.. then you can shill whatever you want and it wont stop like shib
Because catgirl and anime are trending insane
July is also planed to release his cstgirl robot

>>55442197
Gonna get my hazmat and tanker endorsements and do just just that.

>>55441637
Very interesting way to go around the anti begging rules anon