/biz/ - Business & Finance

it would though?

>>55420852
drowning is a better fate than desperately treading water.

>>55420852
Daily reminder that finance is pseudoscientific make believe garbage and capitalism is inherently unstable, exploitative and unsustainable with a built in expiration date. Ever escalating recessions, poverty, debt, wealth inequality, monopolies, worsening labor conditions, disease, pollution, exploitation, slavery, conflict and wars are fundamental, necessary and intended principles of it, NOT glitches. Greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, competition, conflict, slavery and war and overall evilmaxxing are behaviors highly encouraged and incentivized under capitalism. It is LITERALLY cancer and i dont mean it metaphorically, i mean it literally, it shares the exact same functions and principles as a cancer cell.

Unless every single financier parasite, banker and trader is euthanized and every stock market and bank is burned to the ground, and the status quo completely abolished, the biosphere and all life will extinguished. The higher the "Line god" (GDP) is, the lower life is.

There is no possible dystopia that is worse than our current hellworld status quo

>>55420852
And for people who wouldn't lose their job and live with little money saved, why wouldn't it?

>>55420852
Collapse would improve our lives 100 percent. No woman rights, no fiat currency and no forced diversity

>>55420852
Probably not, but the fucking normies need to get waken up. + it would be a comfy happening

>>55420852
Nothing better than returning to monke. Back to when might made right

>>55420852
Yea and in the meantime you invest in AI tech projects like Blackswan. Its a trading bot that uses AI to execute instant trades based on news releases. It helps you to enter positions before the market reacts, whether it's bullish or bearish news. You can specify the events you want to trade on. their twitter/website has more info on it

>>55421071
im not even sure if a collapse could wake the normies up at this point.

It would. The only ones that would currently not benefit from it, are marxists in power and jews over invested. Gramsci was an idiot, and you idiots took his words as gospel, enjoy dying, jews and marxists; or as I call you New Liberal Fascists

no but it might save my great grandchildren

>>55420852
Those who wish for it don't wish it because it will "improve their lives" tho, they don't care about that

It would make my life worse on the short term but it may improve the lives of my children down the line

you know, since otherwise we're just kicking the can down the road and they're going to get massively rugpulled in a couple of decades

>>55420852
There's going to be a revolution in this country.

>>55420852
If it smokes out the jews, and if my people are hungry enough to do what they have to this time around, collapse will improve my children's lives.

>>55420852
I have no stake in this society. Watching the world burn would be more enjoyable

>>55421983
Don't forget the fun we are going to have killing champagne socialists and communists and jews

>>55421982
this, 100 percent this.

it honestly couldn't get any worse
>but other places that are worse based on these progressivemetrics, muh stuff, muh rights
it's stifling

>>55420852
because then I can finally afford a home from this fascist society!!

great an entire thread of 1pbtid

fuck all yall

>>55420852
>social and economic
I notice you decided to pair the two. This leads me to believe you do not wish for genuine discussion about either.
As does your single post.

>>55423091
Ok faggot

>>55420852
It would be great for men and suck for women. Intelligent men would do even better than average men.

>>55420852
People think this retarded ponzi economy will keep going no matter what and that it is a good thing.

>>55420887
You'll have to compete against other tribes of people for essentials. Children will die from horrible and retarded shit like goiter and cretinism. Only the most brutal warlords will have children that aren't physically stunted in some way. All our advanced medical practices and basic luxuries will disappear quickly. It will be quite horrific and violent on all fronts. Even the drug trade will suffer, so there will be no escape from the brutal realities of life.

>>55420897
yeah...yeah, that sounds good and all but what about the roaming hordes of starving outide your door?

>>55424562
this is flat-out a lie, you must be a glowie.

>>55424681
Where specifically is the lie anon?

>>55425070
Neo marxist brainwashing Zoomers and half of millenials, and GenX playing in on the scam to siphon off subsidies and other scams

>people who have never seen or read The Road ITT
Yeah, no. It ain't gonna be pretty.

>>55420852
It actually would. I want to own a house in full, and many people need to be humbled, myself included.

>>55426708
It is not going to be Mad Max beyond Thunderdome, more like Romania 1989

>>55425070
All of it.
You presented post-apocalyptic porn as a nonfictional result of economic collapse.
1pbtidOP insinuates that social collapse is tied to economic collapse when it has been proven in every case of economic collapse not to be the case. A society grows stronger in these times more so than any other time. With few exceptions.
Those paying attention solely to the economics always miss this because they cannot measure the shadow economy.
There will be no tribal warlordism. Not even if nukes fly.
This is something only seen on television where its purpose is fictional storytelling.

>>55426726
This social collapse is going to be lead by economic collapse and the wake up from 10 years of QE, with an attempt at bail ins and nationalization as currency reform that is going to be greeted by those that are preparing since the failed coof test run to hang socialists and marxists through out all institutions.

When the credit lines dry up, and cops aren't paid, nobody cares about a ngo board member being hanged by the neck or a banker beaten to dead in the street

>>55426737
>Civil unrest pornography.
>Faux politics pornography.
You watch too much television and read not enough history.

>>55426744
I haven't watched tv for now 12 years. Its a fact that well over 20% of the voters and up to 60% of the population represented by non voters are well aware that their productivity and the assumed future productivity has been siphoned off by neo marxists and their allies from the finance world, aka jews. They are very open to seize assets, from gramscians, bankers and opportunists and certainly not going to give those assets to the "state".
The time of Anarchy is going to be fun
no rule of law, no rule by law, just no law

You need to understand that history didnt start in 1945. humanists took power by luck: ie the scientific revolution. without this stuff, they would have had zero support from the plebs and zero material support to popularize firearms to fight and cushy homes and cars to appeal the peasants.
Even the communists allegedly loving science bastardize it and it turns out science doesnt give a shit about politics so if you do shit science the price will be paid sooner or later. As usual it's the population which pays the biggest price and not the bureaucrats nor the merchants.
See the debacle about potatoes in communist russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko?useskin=vector

This is why with the stagnation of physics, they are shitting their pants because they struggle to feed people with easy material life.
They have two attempts to keep republics going on
-put all the cattle inside ''the internet economy'', giving them digital dollars and let the cattle scroll their phone screens all today long in their pods
-bet big on biology+IT to somehow create a new scientific revolution based on consciousness and IT hacks

There really isn't a republic without populism and feeding people with chinese crap to make the peasants believe they have purchasing power after 1. capitalists pay them very little wages 2. public servants tax heavily their wages.

I think the biology bet will be a huge dud and the ''living in pod consummating porn and weed all day by giving digital dollars to e-whores and e-drug dealers'' is way way more realistic.
There will be 2 societies: rich people living in the real world, and poor people living in the internet and not polluting the earth.

>>55426878
>put all the cattle inside ''the internet economy'', giving them digital dollars and let the cattle scroll their phone screens all today long in their pods
Nope
>bet big on biology+IT to somehow create a new scientific revolution based on consciousness and IT hacks
communist transhumanist bull crap, also nope

>>55420884
>It is LITERALLY cancer and i dont mean it metaphorically, i mean it literally, it shares the exact same functions and principles as a cancer cell.
at some point you will have to learn what literally means, jintao. don't you have anyone at the CCP who can proofread your diarrea before you post it on the internet? it makes Xi just look bad.

>>55426923
>implying china could look worse than now
Their generals begging the USA for military cooperation is so cute

>>55426757
Sure, i believe you. Especially the part about 60% of the population sharing your meme political views when they can't even define their political view.
So why did OWS fail when that was prime time for civil unrest and almost a direct parallel to what you are insinuating will happen in the future?

>>55426923
I don't think that's a chinese desu. Based upon the few times the commiepasta poster has replied to (you)'s from anons. I think it's your typical western commie larper who doesn't understand what communism is, how it works and similarly with capitalism.

>>55426933
>People are dumb
>look at those "npcs"
>They are too stupid for politics
>lol
your brain on (((university))) "education"

>>55426946
>Quoting things i never said or implied.
I am prepared to argue the opposite of your greentext in fact.

>>55420852
>ONCE THE WEST COLLAPSES IT WILL BE OUR TURN

>>55426970
The normal people are maybe afraid to speak and act before they get the signal. That was the situation in the GDR; people were well aware of the propaganda, the bullshit and robbery by the polit bureau and did their own silent opposition, until they got signaled its time for Monday strolls

>>55427014
>The normal people are maybe afraid to speak and act
Too distracted and divided. As are the abnormal people who form the initial backbone of any uncivil actions. They are now just the gullible and the subverted.
The normal people will not join in en-masse because of this. They are more intelligent than that and less risk-prone so will look for shepherds who will lead them intelligently with a clear direction and a proposed outcome.
And where are these intelligent, non-subverted, shepherds in civil unrest scenarios? Nowhere anymore because violence is always a result of stupidity and gullibility. On one side or the other.

>>55427042
Arrogant, like to be expected from a marxist. You never held a job with normal people and signaled them that they may talk freely around you by talking freely and not holding back first.
>Tell me comrade where is the class enemy
You would like to know wouldn't you?

>>55427056
>a marxist.
You're arguing with a meme inside your head. I'm apolitical. All political systems have a historical rate of failure nearing 100%. It is an outdated and archaic mode of thought.
There is no centralized system which will not be corrupted over time. A decentralized government is the only solution to problems that have plagued humanity from the first instance governance.
>You never held a job with normal people and signaled them that they may talk freely around you by talking freely and not holding back first.
You know nothing about me. Everyone talks to me freely about any topic at any time. Conversation with me is highly desired in my circle despite my introversion. So much so that i often have to put it off to maintain mental energy levels appropriate for my own functionality. Because i am the best listener who responds to the actual topic of conversation and allows it to grow organically in an attempt to learn as much as possible instead of trying to direct it, like you are doing by inserting political fantasy into every post.
I say this as humbly as i can.

oh I am talking with a bot. Should have figured it out
>political system are an outdated archaic mode
tell your programmer he should shut you down, you are not worth the bandwidth

>>55427081
I also don't speak and tell, which is another factor in people talking to me openly. They are assured a level of privacy not common among the conversational. This develops bonds which don't decay as fast as those who gossip about things said. Because both parties in my conversations know the conversation was exceptional one way or another. Whether that means clarity from freedom of thought, private humor, or simple privacy.

>>55427089
You are not talking to a bot. You claim this only to discredit me. A futile and unworthy tactic. The purpose of all conversation, debate or argument should be to advance understanding and learning. Not to win the debate at any cost.
Back to the topic though.
All political systems fail because the point of failure is rarely the politics and always the politicians and the means of central governence.
Until this is resolved, the superiority of one political system over another is a moot argument because they are all equally corrupt and/or corruptable. Therefore all will fail over time as history as proven.
How do you resolve this, politically, without decentralization of the government itself?

>>55426983
>>55420852
It's funny because the people hoping for a "collapse" are the type of people who would suffer the most if it actually did happen lmao

>>55420852
Imagine thinking it wouldnt

>>55420884
Unfathomabley based

>>55427131
A transhumanist marxist is a bot. Claiming that a political system is not necessary to create a certain balance and stability is naive and can only come from a tech retard. The issue with political systems is not the system, it's the private sector that wants something it doesn't understand, power, why from time to time political systems need to be cleaned up especially when they got socialism
>Decentralization
So a true retard brain damaged crapto cretin, that doesn't understand that decentralization doesn't exit

>>55420852

Ye.

>>55420852
I don't consider those "people"

>>55427276
>A transhumanist marxist is a bot.
Your mistake, not mine. I'm neither transhumanist nor marxist and nothing i said implies such except for the simple fact i oppose your position so i must be your memed opponent by your logic.
>Claiming that a political system is not necessary to create a certain balance and stability is naive
I did not claim this. Read more carefully.
>The issue with political systems is not the system
It most certainly is, simple because of
>the private sector
Which will corrupt any political system given time and resources which it has.
If you wish to remove the private sector from influence then that smacks of communism, though what would i know being apolitical.
>doesn't understand that decentralization doesn't exit
Doesn't exist like a functioning and lasting political system doesn't exist?
I disagree.
The few propositions you have made are not new nor effective. Historically speaking.

>>55424610
>roaming hordes of starving outide your door?
they want be there for long since they are starving
thats at least one bonus of our current civilization: clustering all the excess people into pointless cities far away from real production all maintained with just in time delivery systems means that if a collapse were to occur it would be fast and brutal and settle to a lower equilibrium quickly
so how far do you think diabetus could march on no gps and an empty stomach, would he even make it to city limits

>>55424610

I for one welcome a future where I will be pulled on a chariot in my leather mankini by naked starving people, as I horde the last few tins of baked beans.

Also you know, I am prepared for a societal collapse and hey it would be exciting. It was during those few precious weeks before the covid lockdowns when I was making 500 a week selling masks, which I'd stockpiled.

>>55420852
If your point is most would suffer from that, well yes, but someone always wins from things like it. Just look at Russia's oligarch class.

Also the collapse is happening at this point whether we want it too or not, at least in the US anyway, so I would recommend getting ready for it with friends/family rather than worrying about how much it will screw you over or benefit you.

>>55428063
>at least in the US anyway
the entire western fiat system is guaranteed, europe and japan too
the whole system is based on giving printed money to thrid world countries for their commodities
since the coof and the russia sanctions that whole system is unravelling
even in the very best case outcome there isnt enough to go around for everyone anymore so something has to give

and like the other poster said this is absolutely independent of politics as they never produce anything because they simply cant

>>55428109
>the entire western fiat system is guaranteed, europe and japan too
Yeah, I'm just being moderate in my predictions so I don't make a logical leap. Based on what I've seen so far I expect us to spite nuke Europe on the way out.
The sanctions were actually suicidal and might have locked us into WW3, as it is only a matter of time before they realize they ruined they most powerful weapon, the USD by abusing SWIFT.
And I'm actually one of the people who DON'T want a collapse to happen, it's why I voted for Trump back in 2016 as a hail marry that did not work out. Well... to bad for me I guess, it's now locked in regardless of whether I wanted it or not and I can only keep preparing with the hope/cope it will be enough.

>even in the very best case outcome
The very best outcome is us now following a golden path where we avoid all the incoming crises, """stabilize""" our political situation, and accept the country slowly becoming shittier over time as we already screwed it on being the reserve currency which keeps everything else running. This would have been ideal for me as I'm set up to gradually take advantage of this, unfortunately we are almost completely locked it now for in favor of things accelerating faster and faster.

>>55420876
Seriously, let’s just get it over with already. Society is such a fucking joke.

>>55420852
Depends what you mean by improve.
I'd get to live out my Mad Max fantasy and go out in a blaze of glory instead of potentially dying wearing geriatric diapers and living in permanent terror not knowing who the people who are around me.

>>55420852
I get free reign on negroes, federal agents and marxists

>>55427227
Fat gluttonous fucks get the rope

>>55427867
You seem reasonable and able to listen and understand things that are presented well. Let me ask you a question.
Would you not believe all things evil simply are elements of a system based and justified by power, which corrupts the immoral subjects inside of it?
And a few others.
Will it not be inevitable that good hearted people will want to take their rightful place, somewhat governed by a new system outside the illusions of a monetary tyranny, lest we will continue to be under constant threat of violence by faceless authorities we never have had a say nor process of declining authority over us? Will simply designing a monetary system built by fair rules and a protocol maintained exclusively by its active workers hold enough sovereignity to be able to exclude the eternal battle between immoral and moral forces on earth?
My emphasis in this line of questioning lies in the element of violence and questionable necessity of it, and if morally superior people at all will be accepted as neighbours to a corrupt hellhole of a system built on slavery.

>>55424562
You just described the status quo tho.

People keep rooting for it because:
> Sunk cost fallacy
> "imma gonna swoop in and buy everything CHEAP! I'M GONNA BE SO FUCKIN RICH BOYS!"

The stone cold hard truth though is that they'll all scream out in despair if we actually go through a depression. Literally NOBODY has money in this type of environment outside of the .00001% who are the elite.

In a depression environment, here's what happens:
> Banks everywhere go under - people's savings get wiped
> Muh extremely high interest rates will crush stocks and crypto
> Housing will face another major collapse, everyone who has a mortgage will be well underwater on their loans - for those who bought with cash, they still have to pay their extremely high property taxes and insurance - since their bank accounts are now drained, they won't be able to pay their bills anymore - in comes imminent domain and the banks to seize their properties
> Ecommerce, sales, etc. will all completely die - demand will simply no longer exist

No avenues to make money, everything has no value anymore, nobody has money and is starving, all the while the elite will cheer their champagne and laugh at us for all eternity.

>>55430369
Good thing I derive the value in my life from my relationships and the artistic works that I can produce with simple and widely-available tools that won't simply disappear even during a depression. Unless massive swathes of the country are literally starving to death (don't we have a deer problem?), this all sounds like a gameplan to me.

>>55421759
People always say
>How much longer can Capitalism continue? It's finite!
The truth is, it doesn't need to continue forever. It just needs to continue long enough to transition into whatever new system is coming down the pipeline.

>>55420852

Probably not, but hopefully I'll be gone by then.

>>55428109
>something have to give
A few more wars in the thirdies will do the trick. It always does.

>>55424562
Thats a pretty decent description of NOW

>>55428384
No changing course, in this system to admit guilt on one thing is the same as being guilty of everything. So they'll sink the ship.

Not that I would want it to continue anyways...
What we're living in now is cancer. It needs to change on a fundamental level and retvrn to something more natural.

A reset is what we need. Besides, it'll be fun to see the world go to shit and have people get fucked over. I might die, but they're gonna damn well have to work for it.

>>55424610
ever heard of a moat?

>>55426983
>>55427201
the people hoping for a collapse and the people saying "Nothingburger" are both the first to die
you're both living in cities with no produce of their own, meaning, mass starvation and hordes of normalfags trying to rob you

>>55430369
>if we actually go through a depression
We are going to go through a depression. Prepare.

>>55430369
>extremely high interest rates will crush stocks and crypto
you are delusional
in this scenario, stocks are just closed and even shitcoins are worth a fucking house because of how they work even without internet (btc and UTXOs can be spent via radio)
>Housing will face another major collapse
if you mean CRE, yes
actual rural proprieties will just reach an impossibly high value
>nobody has money
you are a fiat cultist retard
anything can be money
you are a complete fucking retard and collapse or not, I'm really hopeful that you die from your stupidity

>>55430369
How are banks going to seize all those properties? There are only so many cops and private companies able to enforce the will of the banks.

>>55426878
>I think the biology bet will be a huge dud and the ''living in pod consummating porn and weed all day by giving digital dollars to e-whores and e-drug dealers'' is way way more realistic.
The problem with people like you who think this way is that you never consider the fact that the internet has only been in prevalent use for 15-20 years and we have no idea about its long-term effects at all 50-100 years out because it hasn't been empirically observed yet.

Yes there might be a lost generation or two who fall for the internet trap and spend their entire lives on porn and weed but over time the population adjusts and understands the nature of the trap and avoids it, or at least a big portion of them do. Think about how opium or cigarettes were seen as healthy in their initial stages but later down the line people began to avoid them like the plague because they recognized their ill-effects, the internet will be the same and its dangers will be much more recognized by the mainstream decades down the line.

It turns out people eventually just snap over a long-enough timespan when they're isolated and atomized. Even drug-addicts can have families and offspring which is how they pass on their vices, but internet-addicted incels and wine aunts can't even do that.

You can't raise a civilization on the internet, you can only kill it off if you don't give it access to the real world. People who live their lives in front of a screen don't reproduce for the most part and so their offspring won't carry on their vices. And even if they do, the internet has become so intrusive that it completely destroys an infant's development ensuring that he will always be a societal invalid with 0 chance of ever enacting any real change.

On this basis, speculating that the internet by itself will have any long-term effect or change in civilization that is irreversible is in all likelihood bogus and mere sci-fi sensationalism.

>>55420852
if you are a loser now then you will be even more of a loser in a social collapse scenario

>>55420852

Oh no, I know my life would be essentially over. It's just that I'd get some much deserved schadenfreude seeing people who failed upwards, cheated their way up, nepo-babied into undeserved positions, corporately parasitized off others, or who got stupidly lucky with dumb youtube/tiktok shit get what they all richly deserve. All their ill gotten gains becoming worthless overnight, and they'd jump out windows or neck themselves.

And it may not happen tomorrow, next month, next year, or even in the 20s, but it will happen eventually. Every year things get more and more kiked, and more and more people end up homeless and/or stealing. Eventually society will come apart at the seams. People will start destroying roads, setting random wildfires, and destroying powerlines substations (like they have already). The kikes and boomer-kikes have gotten too greedy, and society has become too top heavy. Hopefully the the vermin who helped cause all the kiked bullshit will live long enough to suffer.

>>55424562
This is the world necessary for a new Athens to be created.

>>55430290
>Would you not believe all things evil simply are elements of a system based and justified by power, which corrupts the immoral subjects inside of it?
"Things evil" are a symptom of exploitable systems. I believe all current systems are exploitable.
>somewhat governed by a new system outside the illusions of a monetary tyranny
The same exploitability is present in systems without money. Money is not the sole failure point.
> lest we will continue to be under constant threat of violence by faceless authorities
Authorities exist independent of monetary system. A central authority is always exploitable.
>Will simply designing a monetary system built by fair rules and a protocol maintained exclusively by its active workers hold enough sovereignity to be able to exclude the eternal battle
I don't think so. The disagreement is on morality itself and takes place in and out of the monetary system. We can only force fairer participation in monetary systems by providing greater incentives.
>morally superior people at all will be accepted as neighbours to a corrupt hellhole of a system built on slavery.
If there is enough incentive anything will be accepted. These two parties naturally don't trust each other, each fearing the other to have any power over them. This is because the 'moral' and the 'corrupt' behave the same in positions of power. Taking from the 'other'. Therefore a system must incentivize fairness without being exploitable by either.

No, I think it would ruin the lives of a bunch of people I don't like very much. I am thinking of the greater good here.

>>55427227
Actually no, it's incredibly easy to get cheap insulin if you buy from foreign pharmacies or something else. Retarded normgroids just can't figure it out and fucking die instead LOL

the thing is everyone forgets pillaging and conquest are valid strategies. You think the jews and elites are just going to roll over and let you have your way? There's 7 million paypigs on the planet they can shakedown for money, its never going to happen

>>55431191
>A new athens
America *is* the new Athens. NATO is our Delian league, and we are about to experience the catastrophic retardation of the Peloponnesian wars again as we arrive to the logical conclusion of democratic might makes right thinking.

Plato tried to prevent this from happening again, he dedicated his whole life to that, but Enlightenment philosophers thought they were smarter than him.

>>55431381
Not the other anons, but I just agree with you. I wish right wingers would realize centralized states are kind of an aberration on the overall historical scale. Monarchy was the longest form of human government because it was decentralized for most of it's history, and it is no surprise European monarchism died within a few centuries of abandoning that for absolutism.

>>55420852
Every day we stray further from god

We can only pray and hope a flood whether physical or metaphorical can abstain us from this hell.

>>55431381
I agree. The high art of designing a protocol with proper incentives built on a deep understanding of how to avoid building a community upon the Roots of Evil, one should have the liberty to opt in and out of the system as an nuclear individual with financial sovereignity.
The real power of a currency is convenience and stability, but if there only is a central point with secret societies who decide its issurance, distribution, process and authenticy that derives its legality, the flaw is irrevokeably built into the system by design. I believe decentralized and morally inspired aspects inherent in digital money can beat the convenience of centralization and ignorance, and as the tools are being built, experiece amassed and the gospel sung, I believe the technology built by our peers is very clear cut out for the challenges ahead.
I believe this because freedom is simply part of living, we who truly want to live become moral beings who strive for it in some way or another, collectively bringing our fellows an upward momentum.

>>55429003
>sitting on his phone with his lardass belly hanging out posting pics of gladiators and pretending he's reading for societal collapse
These are the people posting in here. People whose experience of going hungry is the JustEats guy showing up 20 mins late.

>>55420852
>people
terminally online neets aren't people