/biz/ - Business & Finance

Demand for tv is in a constant decline. Millennials and Zoomers same as Alpha don't watch TV, no matter if it is pay-tv or 5g

Earnings per share compared to 2012/2011/2010 when price of the stock was in 30$+

Assets compared to 2012/2011

Liabilities compared to 2012/2011

Total equity compared to 2012/2011

Bottom is an event, green rectangle 2011-2013 when company was basically 1/4 of it's size with 1/4 of it's EPS.

For the last 4 years biggest holder Dodge & Cox is accumulating BIG.

97.55% float is gone from the markets.

From the sheet looks like somebody could pump it, but as said there is no demand for their service. Putting it on the watch list and short that shit as soon as whoever manipulates markets pumped that crap with other peoples money

>>55409576
good timing on your shorts, it's not like you are planning to short when stock just git 24 year low, and 98% of float is off the market. i guees it just flew right over your head as you pointed out pay-tv when 5G is their pivot. not to mention pay-tv can make a comeback when people realize that paying for 10+ subs is higher than paying for cable package. plus old, rural and normies still prefer cable and just mouthbreathing looking at the screens all day.

stock is a bargain, however you look at it.

>>55409598
Sounds like the arrogant assessment by a yid that has no idea what he is talking about because he is too far removed from reality in his ivory tower surrounded by niggers. But of course you don't short such a crap when its at atl. One waits for (((somebody))) to give his clients the exit liquidity, and then short that crap

>>55409610
nice counter arguments, you are really making a case here with ivory towers.

>>55409698
You think just because people live in rural areas they don't know what a streaming service is? Also look at the holders, this is so fucking obvious, maybe try reddit, they certainly look forward to get fucked on another bbby and gme, with boomers and Genx clients pressuring those that basically scammed them to offer exits or they might come clean

>>55409706
>still talking about paytv instead of 5G
>still doesn't understand 1,5% churn rate on paytv which will take decades to lose all the remaining customers
yeah i think i will buy more :^)

>>55409717
Stay smug, there is interesting legislation being introduced. Maybe it's time for certain people from the 80s to retire and find fall guys

>>55409719
looking forward for company demise and getting at least 50% book value in auction which will triple current market price.
>looking for shorts after 90% decline

>>55409725
Can you read? Not shorting now, just putting that shit on a watch list. Not going to be some desperate jews exit liquidity

>>55409728
the fact that you are putting it on watch list to short instead of looking it as buying opportunity right now and providing zero real arguments against that apart from "legistlation" and "paytv bad streaming good" should make me question who can really read here.

>>55409735
Hey it might pump, who knows, but I wont buy some desperate jews bags. Try redit they might be in for another round of "if 4chan got a bloomberg terminal" bag holding and being exit liquidity

>>55409749
>calling me J
>comparing this to amc/gme/bby when company just covered 70% of america with 5G and bought licences for 32 billions in a year
yeah bro dont buy it, thanks for bumping and wish you all the luck

>>55409768
I gave you my assessment on the demand. Supply doesn't matter when their is no demand. They could cover 100%, that won't bring back the demand for TV, even if you stereotypically think that "rednecks" are still glued to the electronic jew

>>55409787
who the fuck cares about tv,its 5g play

Relies super heavily on amazon for it to pan out but sounds good otherwise

Yeah, i know all of biz's tricks. Ill buy some limit orders in the morning. /biz/ stop being dumb. When amazon backed Rivian that shit pumped hard. Yall know this already.

>>55409920
even without Amazon they entered competition in business with 300+ million SIM's in US. If they manage to get 10% of this market at their own in 2-5 years, current market value is bananas. 5G is the future and with cloud costs of service will be cut in half at least.
>>55409952
Amazon is not confirmed, it's just my speculation on what they want to do. Looks like a lay-up to me though.

dead thread, dead board yo

>>55410685
Can you stop samefagging your own thread
We know nobody gives a fuck about your gay stock enough to argue with you about it

>>55410738
i want burgers here,they should wake up already

it looks like a good investment, but it also looks like you're overthinking it.
yea, anytime it's essentially a dead industry, eventually you get a massive pump, and then the company finally dies off.
satellite tv is shit, but satellite networks and their pervasiveness is going to continue to be more and more relevant.
and the attempt here is you wanna buy DISH because you think amazon will buy them out.
the only thing I'd ask is, what do you think amazon would pay per share.

>>55410827
>and the attempt here is you wanna buy DISH because you think amazon will buy them out.
added today , i have couple of thousands already average 6.02$ . skin in the game
>the only thing I'd ask is, what do you think amazon would pay per share
they have to pay EV at least or BV if they want it that's like 24$ or 34$

EPS is 4.5$ for 2022 and current price is 6$, they have licences from FCC for 32 billion dollars and marketcap of company is 3 billion like they have negative revenue and closing shop tomorrow.

They met their 70% requirement of 5G coverage in USA so those licences are locked forever. Coverage goes to 75% by 2025.

I'm not only counting on Amazon, this is a no brainer stock at this level for me.

Only thing I'm debating right now from OP.
>Give me one good reason to not go all-in for 2 year diamond hand hold.

>>55410988
Higher for longer. Look at housing data.

>>55411043
>90% decline
>biggest monthly volume candle in history of the chart
>0.18 P/B
>0.20 P/S
>just as they got 70% of 5G coverage
>1999 price level in 2023 with like 10X equity
yeah i think i will just go all in, close the charts, and be millonaire in 2025

>>55411064
Do it. Nobody cares how you lose your money. Just saying, last year everyone thought over 5% was impossible, this year nobody believes over 7% is possible. Looking at home sales red hot you have to pray that pce doesn't come in as predicted

>>55410988
>they have to pay EV at least or BV if they want it that's like 24$ or 34$
check'd but no way in hell are they paying $24+ for a $6 stock. $10-$12 is more what we'd probably see, if there was an acquisition, and the company was in fantastic health, as you seem to imply.
>marketcap of company is 3 billion like they have negative revenue and closing shop tomorrow.
well, about that:
>"Based on the latest financial disclosure, DISH Network has a Probability Of Bankruptcy of 42.0%."
>https://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/DISH/Probability-Of-Bankruptcy
given the high risk here, I think it's more likely amazon would let them slide into bankruptcy and then just buy the network and not really give a shit about the tv business/operations, so just part of the business, during bankruptcy proceedings.
>Give me one good reason to not go all-in for 2 year diamond hand hold.
alright, well we definitely disagree there.
this is not an investment on 'solid fundamentals' or whatever.
this is a 'hope it pops on bankruptcy'.

>>55411111
>checked
but your website stinks, company can't go bankrupt with 30$ revenue per share and 3$ EPS. it's far from it. also check my next post

>>55411111
>>55411090
>>55409543
>>55409546
>>55409550
>>55409554
check this shit out, its unbelievable

in 1999 when DISH stock was 6$ current levels, those were their balance sheets
>https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1001082/000103570400000160/0001035704-00-000160.txt

Negative 3$ earnings per share
4 billion in assets

vs
4.5$ EPS today
52 billion in assets, 32 billion FCC licenses alone.

stock price the same.

LMFAO

>>55411159
oh my bad, when this 10-K dropped the price during dotcom bubble topped with 73$ to drop 2 years later to 12$ (not adjusted div).

we are at march 1999 levels when 1998 10-K was filed.
>total assets 1.8B
>1.65$ loss per share
>same price level after 24 years

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BABY

>>55411159
yea, I get it. the financials look better today then when it traded higher.
but you understand the macro economic outlook is totally different.
and all that info is great, but getting from 70% to 75% is much more difficult and they need to raise another $3 billion to add another 15k cell towers to meet that target in 2025.
and that currently doesn't look feasible in 2 years.
if you think of this a, you know, like a positive business that's just been overlooked, you need to find out what politicians work with DISH so you can be sure they'll get an extension on their 75% coverage 2025 deadline.

>>55409508
Thanks for the info, didn't know it was so cheap. Im actually using DISH right now (ting mobile). I hope they do well, we need a 4th player again in this country

>>55411261
see you at 12$ in a month or two, when you had a chance to buy pico 24 year bottom of the stock brought to you for free by /biz/ anon.

this is the deep value contra motherfuckin CIA level of a call.

Low today was 5.89 USD
EPS for 2022 4.5 USD
Total assets 53 Billion USD
FCC licenses 32 Billion USD
Marketcap of the stock 3.2 Billion
Price/Book 0.18
Price/Sales 0.2

LMAO

THANKS JESUS
PRAISE THE LORD

who the fuck spilled the beans, stock is up almost 6%

>>55411268
be careful what you wish for, if they implement 5G through cloud you are getting molested by NSA and CIA through AWS with literally zero privacy.

but hey at least we can profit from your suffering :^)

>>55411297
I'm sorry, it's just that, vomiting numbers and saying 'lmao', doesn't really persuade me.
and I mean, come on man, how many businesses actually recover from a 24 year low?
it's not common, and at a 40% bankruptcy risk, it's still contrarian to say they'd go bankrupt, so that's the better bet.

>>55411348
LMAO ITS CONTRARIAN TO GO ALL IN RIGHT NOW, 98% FLOAT HELD BY WHALES.

ITS LITERALLY CENTRALIZED CRYPTONOMICS 101

ALL NORMIES HAVE BEEN SHAKEN OUT

THERE IS NO MORE SELLERS LEFT

ALL NEWS ARE NEGATIVE UNTIL THERE ARE NO MORE BAD NEWS TO DEPLOY

HOWARD MARKS MASTERING THE MARKET CYCLE

IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT SHORTING THIS WITH 27% FLOAT SHORT YOU ARE LIKE 1,5 YEAR LATE.

YOU ARE LATE, IM EARLY

SHAKE ME OUT CIA.

THESE BAGS CAN RETURN TO YOU AT 30$ PER SHARE.

27% of float to cover while institutions hold 98% of float

>>55411370
That's what QE and bail outs do to a brain

>>55411414
>>55411408
>>55411370
>>55411348

Dropped from SP500
Insider sells
DUMP THIS STOCK GOYIM FAST !!!!!
FCC FUD

Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?
Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?


IMMUNE TO CHARMS
IMMUNE TO NEWS
JUST TRUSTING ME
NEVER THE J

>>55411340
You think you aren't getting spied on currently? You think the cloud will change anything? Lmao

>>55411408
all that says is 'this will pop on a bankruptcy'.
but dish has 2 years until they need to meet that 75% deadline.
so yea, you're early, you're so early, most would call you wrong.
because you basically have 18-24 months of shorts printing.

>>55411516
i was just playing, but voice over cloud it's way easier than getting a warrant or pegasus on your phone
>>55411542
>shorts will print for 18 months
>not like they printed from 47$ to 6$
>just posting to post, literally a retard
just please go to /pmg/ or some shitcoin thread, or leverage trading degens forum.

this was automatic buy on these levels on spot and holding, but i guess you are spaghetti hands and smooth brain

>7.5% up from open

i literally made everyone here money, thread was up hours before open. if this shit drops below 5$ or close to it, im closing rest of the shit and going 80% networth in, then closing charts for two years.

>>55411485
>J
Say “Jew” and denounce the talmud and I’ll consider everything you wrote.

>>55411605
>not like they printed from 47$ to 6$
yea, it's not like DISH could go to $1, which would be the same thing.
I'm a spaghetti hands smooth brain.
go all in, anon.
prove me wrong.

>>55411653
here mr trader, max pain is 11$ or 1$ from here ?
1$ per share with 4.5$ EPS, you must be a smooth brain
>8% up
>shorts printing my dude
>>55411629
JEWS KILLED JESUS, BECAUSE HE WAS A MESSIAH. DENOUNCING TALMUD. NOT TRUSTING NEWS. JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

>>55411690
>$6/share @ ($3) EPS
>it's impossible to trade at $1/share when it's a $4.5 EPS!
also kek
>it's up 8% on the 24hr!
>planning to hold it for 24 MONTHS

>>55409508
iirc DISH owns the rights of blockbuster, couldnt they use 5G to stream new releases?
seems they just need a distro platform..
>blockbuster and GME playing footsie for year or 2
>https://www.gstop-content.com/ipfs/QmSzmoQCZbQZXdEH5EKnj9MZrT2sCiauVVXLH5ULt4HkYr/
probably nothing

>>55411738
>biggest monthly volume in history of company
>out of SP500
>turned on 70% population coverage 5G
>24 year low
>52 billions in assets
>32 billions in FCC
>max fud in media
yeah i think im okay.

VOLUME
PRECEDES
PRICE

>>55411767

>>55411870
Let him. There are still people holding xrp bags waiting for random banks to buy their bags. At least this anon can hope for Amazon to buy him out after bankruptcy

>>55411870
nice yahoo log chart, now cover those short kid

>>55411885
>kekw
>picrelated

>>55411940
>service revenue, down 3.1%
>equipment sales, down 14.9%
>total revenue, down 3.3%
>operating income, down 4.6%
>pay tv subscribers, down 8.9%
>pay tv subscriber additions, down 64%
wow, the deal of a lifetime.

>>55412046
Yahoo charting son, company is pivoting to wireless business while still having enough of legacy business to be profitable for years to come. With existing churn rate it will take decades to lose all the paytv customers for that section of a business to be unprofitable.

They can invest billions and take piece of a pie from competition,and quite frankly i doubt cable will ever die.

Deploy 5G, make it profitable, still generate cash from cable to cover financing. Fast forward 2025 5G will be native in new phones for all public and Dish will be a player.

Last but not least, licences are bought already, they stop building for now so Q3 and Q4 will be bangers.

Meanwhile main street is out of stock and will be chasing rallies deep into 10s and 20s.

Enough alpha for today.

>>55412135
I deleted my previous comment because I felt it was too impolite to shit on the mostly negative balance sheet you posted; however
>They can invest billions and take piece of a pie from competition
that's kind of the problem.
they don't have $3 billion to get from 70 to 75%.
so why would you think they could support billions more to gain... marketshare.
and this is during a time when loans aren't easy to magic up, so they have to actually sell some of their infrastructure to be able to fund, to meet the contractual obligations they've already committed to.
>and quite frankly i doubt cable will ever die.
they're not a cable company, they're a satellite tv company.
and they're being muscled out, due to the prevalence of streaming services.

>>55411767
>be biztard
>wait for genius analyst to shill his bags
>profit

>>55412304
>they don't have $3 billion to get from 70 to 75%.

>>55412361
+350mil Q1 earned
+316mil Q2 estimated
~300mil Q3
~300mil Q4
>no licences to buy
so like 3$ straight cash per share this year, 1billie + 2 from assets, voila. top it with 500mil marketing for their mobile service, and that should get 500-800k added SIM's per year.

but i guess they will just blunder after 43 years on the market and with Mayo at steering wheel
>https://about.dish.com/Dave-Mayo

Shake me out Jews
Try it out

>>55409610
>>55409728
>GRRR THOSE NIGGERS
>ITS DA JOOOOOZ
>I DONT WANT TO BE BLACKROCKS EXIT LIQUIDITY
lol these /pol/cels messages write themselves, he doesnt even know what 5G is

>>55412361
yea, of course, they just need to take ALL of their cash on hand, and liquidate ALL of their investments, and then they'll be able to build these 15000 cell towers.
this doesn't sound even remotely problematic to you?

>>55412680
you are retarded if they are in any rush to do so or won't get any loans, lease licences etc. wont bother ever responding to you, you are just reaching at this point. somehow they managed to do 1000 sites per month and they wont be able to do 15000 in 2 years. for sure they dont have any plan and will just wing it last minute. have a nice evening and good luck with shorting to 1$

>>55412746
>you are retarded if they are in any rush to do so or won't get any loans, lease licences etc.
I'm sure banks will be super excited to give a dying business over a billion dollars, on loan, during a period of lending tightening.
>you are just reaching at this point.
no, I'm not. in 2022, their accounts receivable is $954 M, their accounts payable is $924 M. the three prior years, the accounts receivable was always around 3x their accounts payable. so your cashflow clearly deteriorated.
>somehow they managed to do 1000 sites per month and they wont be able to do 15000 in 2 years.
somehow they managed to bring their cash & cash equivalents down from $5.4 B to $2.6 B in 1 year.
hey, I wonder if those two things are related?

>>55413015
>somehow they managed to bring their cash & cash equivalents down from $5.4 B to $2.6 B in 1 year.
it's very simple and it's clearly stated in all 10-K's. FCC licenses were like 7B last year alone. one time payment. 70% coverage met this month and it's donzo.

and about your other arguments- im sure banks will more than happy to give loan for a business that's generating revenue in billions year after year and that's on track to deploy first 5G native network in United States that's fully 100% owned by USA and USA hedge funds.

Company with 43 years track that luckily went out of SP500, so I can catch this bargain of a price and it will stay under a radar and a rock for months.

Reddit,twitter,news- radio silence. You provided zero arguments that would even made me doublethink my positions which i doubled today.

Best of luck, you have to train more. Especially the part of skipping fundamental arguments and moving to pure speculation.

Bag secured, might aswell secure tripcode for this one. If I will ever post again about DISH i'm using this one. Impersonators secured, long noses detected. Holding the bag to 2025 easily, and adding if bottom will confirm itself.

Godspeed anons.

>>55413101
>You provided zero arguments that would even made me doublethink my positions which i doubled today.
>Best of luck, you have to train more. Especially the part of skipping fundamental arguments and moving to pure speculation.
patronizing and stupid. I look forward to your updates. you are going to get everything you deserve.

good thread. will keep an eye on dish

>>55413259
bro just reread this thread and imagine yourself in my position reading your generic answers and strawing half a thread, just to skip fundamental reasons with pure speculation.

protip if you are using some websites to calculate probability of company distress you probably did zero research prior.

you clearly lack knowledge and it's obvious. in your firsts posts you stated that in aquisition Amazon would pay 10-12$ for a 34$ book value company. not a single lawyer on Earth would sign this, and most likely not the founders. imagine Blackrock/Vanguard/DodgeCox lawyers signing 30% BV aquisition. fuckin hilarious stuff.

> you are going to get everything you deserve.
Ok Joker. I think I made my case clearly here.
If You are not long, You should wait for an entry to short. Best of luck with that !

>>55413323
>sir you have to sell those bags to us for 10$, we dont give a F you founded this company and spent 43 years here.
>probably sending stocks to his kids funds
>sir you have to sell at 5$ in 2023 which is BigMac price
>sir don't hang up

>>55409508
Can't just get your TV service installed, ooooooh noooo we want to peddle you all kinds of gimmick HDMI cables and Bluetooth speakers and all sorts of things having nothing to do with why you're there meanwhile the tech is in too much of a hurry to do the install thing which apparently isn't as important, so peddling matters more than quality of the install hey, that's a desperate company in decline grabbing at straws trying to make a quick buck NO THANKS

What do you think about Charlie, OP?

Why did they fire their network operating chief they got in 2022 and there have been insider sales since June 23. Are you trying to sell bags?

>>55413445
perfect analysis, call CNBC with this
>>55413452
i saw some troubling information that i need to check, but i didn't go deep on execs yet. first i went into 5G tech, then 10K's etc, watched one full video with Mayo, read about him on TMobile and just went full fundamentals. price leads narrative so I don't care that deeply about who's in charge at these prices. i'm catching knives and fundamentals are there to protect me from buying far from bottom. if I would care about leaders I would just go with Berkshire or some other snooze fests for 5% gain.

This is 5X I'm aiming for at least if they turn it around and do a cinderella comeback, but you have to take advantage of opportunities in this market when everyone else is chasings AI and other bullshit at 30+ P/E. Stock pickers market for years to come. That's my bias.

>>55413502
good riddance and don't buy the news goyim, person you should be looking at is Mayo
>>55412426
and you should follow the tech
>https://youtu.be/18suOVy4aI4
and just go for Open RAN 5G on YT etc.

why insider sell ? dunno and dont give a fuck. you have also insider buying>>55413366
but this doesn't fit the narrative on news, so it wasn't televised.

or you can just put all of this shit aside, open Ben Graham Intelligent Investor or any fundamental investor guide, open 10K's at sec.gov and ask yourself if this company is undervalued or overvalued.

I made my case for 40+ posts. For free, and if you think anyone from institutions that hold 98% of float came here first to shill their bags before open to give you free 5.81-8% gain, you are deluded.

This is deep value investing 101. Take it as early christmas present.

>>55413618
yeah, no thanks. Insider sells at the "bottom", key staff that runs for the exit, a shill calling others goys. I pass, have fun with your bags

>>55413366
he's trying to buy his way out of a bad investment, averaging down.
>2.06M shares @ $17-$19 (down ~75%)
>2.25M shares @ $11 (down ~50%)
>3.3M shares @ $6 (up 5%)
you should feel less confident buying in, knowing their executive leadership is retarded.

>>55413651
no problem have fun
>>55413679
i bet he doesn't care about 12 months fluctuations when he founded the company and cashed out big bucks in those 40 years. i bet >>55409598
they dont care either about their average and they own 13% of company now.

>>55413323
>protip if you are using some websites to calculate probability of company distress you probably did zero research prior.
guilty as charged. I didn't perform a case study on dish networks before I started posting in your thread.
basically I looked at the graph and said wow, what a piece of shit.
you keep saying i'm green, but you're the one using a stock screener to find an 'undervalued' company with 'great fundamentals'.
>in your firsts posts you stated that in aquisition Amazon would pay 10-12$ for a 34$ book value company.
that's a 2 year long bleed from $47 to $6.
the company is not currently worth $22 let alone $34.

>>55413772
wrong i didn't use stockscreener. i was doing SP500 fundamentals rundown in march-april, ran through all 500 companies by myself. picked interesting ones, waited for DISH to bottom out and to see if they cover 70%, and pulled the trigger. company is completely under the radar of main street, overlooked,underdog, and that's my field. like i said in OP, everyone is shaken out. people buying this year at 12,11,10 are shaken out already. Out of index, max fud. maximum buying opportunity.

If you think any lawyer would sign anything less than 20$ aquisition and board vote would pass you are clearly retarded, but thanks for bumping my thread while i shat in your face for hours.

Truly amazing experience - to know that i'm against people like you in this market.

Now fuck off and buy NVIDIA at 200 years P/E

And that's it going for bed, last post with tripfag. If im coming back i will start a thread in couple of days,weeks who knows, but with this trip.

See ya then fags.

>>55413893
>Truly amazing experience - to know that i'm against people like you in this market.
so how large is you bag, anyways?
>Now fuck off and buy NVIDIA at 200 years P/E
NVIDIA will still EXIST in 2 years.

>>55414010
> I am going to continue shilling my bags I totally plan on holding for 2 years
>you should buy and hold 2 years with me
>1000 eo2y

>>55409508
What the fuck is this effort-posting bullshit

>>55414119
An "insider"

>>55413564
>>55413366
Nigga, u fuck muh nigga, u fuckin.

Best analysis I've seen on biz since GME anon in early 2020 well before reddit.

I think FUD is the better approach though until we can secure our bags.

>>55414393
>GME anon
>>>/r/wsb/

Gonna buy some calls of this just in case, pretty good analysis

Adding tomorrow, infiltrated telecom twitter for 2 hours. For sure old boys are buying this shit en masse. Boom is offering 50$ unlimited plan with iPhone 14 which means Apple certification is coming soon probably,cementing network reputation as a player. All shorts will be burned my brothers in Christ. Godspeed and to the next one, going to bed.

>>55409508
How many DISH to make it

>>55414708
One will get you over 70 channels and a reliable 5G network. Truly is the future

>>55414692
>>55413893
mind telling us how big that bag is?
I'll track DISH v NVDA performance (6/27/23) onwards.

>>55415420
you might ask me, but why wouldn't he just taunt DISH not panning out?
because you think NVDA is a shit investment, so it will be twice as painful, for you to watch a successful company, continue to outperform, while DISH slowly bleeds into bankruptcy and irrelevancy.
when I see the tripfag, I will ride your ass.
wasted a whole day trying to talk you down from that ledge.