/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55377805
ngmi

I wish I just payed attention during coding boot camp what a waste no way I can get an entry lol position after all these years

>>55377805
Oh dear, looks like someone hasn’t been dulling themselves enough! Go search marvel, I am sure there will be some epic crossovers to get excited about and you can forget your troubles.

He’s right behind me, isn’t he? Haha. Funny every time!

>>55377805
>I am convinced Earth is a miniature hell. A curse. Imagine reproducing in this Satanic planet.
It's not, as such, wrong, but a highly negative way of saying it.

>>55377805
It’s woke corporate culture propaganda that drives me crazy. Just let me work and go home! I don’t need to hear 20 announcements about faggotry pride or whatever stupid Satanic thing you’re celebrating!

>blame circumstances
>circumstances remain the same
vs
>acknowledge responsibility over self
>use power to change circumstances
Simple as.

>>55379620
The word "responsibility" is silently overloaded with "fault" in addition to "agency", which is why no one ever takes this advice. It inherently, due to the word-choice, sounds like victim-blaming in people's ears.
While it is true that "I control my action", it's heard as "it is your FAULT that things are this way". Given that at least a portion of people's circumstances are evidently beyond their control, and it is these circumstances which tend to bother them the most, not those which they feel they can chance, it sounds in their ears as if you were simply blaming them for feeling bad.

>>55379651
If they think responsibility, in the context i posted, relates to blame then they have zero reading comprehension.
If other words will reach through then;
Blame and fairness do not exist. No one is obligated to you and you are not entitled to anything. No matter what words or feelings you manipulate into a favorable argument you will not achieve the desired results because of their impotence against reality. Thinking about them is thus futile and unproductive to improving, or changing, your circumstance.

>>55379651
>The word "responsibility" is silently overloaded with "fault"
Only in the minds of women and weak men, which is why they behave the way they do.
In my mind 'responsibility' is heavily linked with 'duty'.

>>55379746
>>55379681
>>55379651
Not disagreeing with you btw. You are correct in your analysis, imo

>>55377805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

>>55377805
Based.

>>55377903
kys NPC

>>55379474
Toxic positivity is a thing

>>55379681
>No one is obligated to you and you are not entitled to anything.
Note how you left one part of his triple out:
>you are not obligated to anyone
This makes the equation unbalanced. If no one is obligated to others, then it'd follow that the guy you were responding to also has no obligation to others (since he's included in "no one" above). This does run counter the claim that he has responsibility to others in the duty-sense, but >>55379746 did accurately say that "responsibility" is linked with duty towards others.
You do actually see the silent overloading in action: the fact that you left this out shows that, on some level, your mind does think that he has special responsibility (i.e. "no one is obligated to you and you are not entitled to anything, but (if we were to write it out explicitly) you are obligated to others"), which he presumably isn't fulfilled, thus the aspect of blame creeps in.
>>55379785
It is, but just saying "the world is fucking Hell" angrily isn't much use either. It depends on the way in which you say it: "this world is Hell (it is factually bad, let's acknowledge the facts)" vs. "the world is Hell (everything's shit, fuck everything)".

>>55379850
Shut the fuck up faggot. Stop acting like a pussy when someone calls this world Hell or they get angry about an injustice.
You’re not doing anything useful here by lecturing others rather than presenting solutions.
Go back.

>>55379876
Yet what I said was that it is better to recognize how bad things are productively instead of throwing up one's hands and whining ("acting like a pussy", as you said):
>It depends on the way in which you say it: "this world is Hell (it is factually bad, let's acknowledge the facts)"
vs.
>"the world is Hell (everything's shit, fuck everything)".

jobs are for slaves they all suck indeed

>>55379977
>productively
>depends on the way you say it
I don't know how to put this any more simply.
You're the one whining like a bitch here. There's no such thing as complaining "productively" about this world being Hell, so stop nitpicking at people. Fucking woman. Just agree or disagree and move on.

>>55379994
So it is better to scream about things without doing anything about them?

>>55379985
True. The jews have it right. Niggers should reap, sow and pick cotton. Whites need to seat like an effendi and eat

>>55379994
>You're the one whining like a bitch here. There's no such thing as complaining "productively"
Note that your words would actually work as a dialogue:
>A: You're the one whining like a bitch here.
>B: There's no such thing as complaining "productively"!

>>55380005
>So it is better to scream about things
It sounds like the Internet is too tough for you if you feel that anyone is screaming.

>without doing anything about them?
This is your issue, not ours. You're just whining about semantics rather than the actual topic. Why is this rocket science for you? Stop whining about how you think people are saying things (in your own head) and try to be objective.

>>55380017
I can neither agree nor disagree with you because you are manifestly disagreeing with yourself. You cannot formulate what you believe about the issue in words. This is not an insult, you are actually unable to do it, which is why you're getting angry.
It is the anger itself that is trying to reproduce itself; what you believe, in words, is "be angry!", but not "do anything about it". When you say "stop acting like a pussy", you are raging at your own impotence in the face of the situation of the world being Hell ("in your own head", as you said), but, if we took out the anger, your behavior could objectively be described as "acting like a pussy", i.e. "complaining about things without doing anything about them", in fact even lashing out at those who try to help - a common complaint made by men against women: "they complain about things without doing anything about them and lash out at those who try to help". Minus the anger, you actually are behaving like women are said to.

>>55377805
I'm thinkin' based desu

>>55380017
Don't get me wrong: I 100% sympathize with you. We're all going through a lot. Complete agreement there, but: literally saying "everything is fucked, let's not do anything about anything" is not going to solve any problem.

>>55379850
>If no one is obligated to others, then it'd follow that the guy you were responding to also has no obligation to others
I did not make the claim he had obligations to others.
>This does run counter the claim that he has responsibility to others
I did not mean to imply that the responsibility is to others. I meant the responsibility to the self. He, and everyone, is responsible for themselves and realizing the circumstances they desire. No one else has the power, or will, to do this on his behalf. Anyone with such power, hoards it for profit.
>>55379994
You are in the same boat. You have contributed nothing towards solving any of the problems you care about.
I cannot solve them for you. Anons cannot solve them for you. Justice cannot solve it for you. The very concept of justice requires an injustice to act upon.
Only you unceasingly exerting your will and power upon the circumstances, or towards changing circumstances, is productive to solving your problems.
>tl;dr stop pointing out the obvious. When the problem has been identified solving it is the next step. So do something tangible that improves your circumstance in the moment, then keep doing things in that fashion until you have no/new problems.

>>55380160
You are right and I agree, but you specifically didn't *say* it:
>No one is obligated to you and you are not entitled to anything [, you are not obligated to anyone else]
Because the part in the square brackets is missing, it sounds to someone else reading just the first two as if he's being treated unfairly, which is why people generally don't listen to arguments involving the word "responsibility". I did understand what you're saying (took me a bit, though), but it sounds different than what you intended when it's read. At the end of the day, everyone has to take care of his own shit, you can't expect others to always jump in for you. It sounds a bit antisocial to say it quite like that above since we do, as a matter of fact, depend on others, but yeah, I get the point about being, in that sense, responsible for yourself as an adult.

>>55377805
People have children because they enjoy inflicting cruelty but do not enjoy jail.

1. Save money.
2. Google High Dividend Portfolio
3. Invest Savings
4. Live off Dividends and work odd jobs / turn hobby into business


There. Problem solved

>>55380213
>it sounds to someone else reading just the first two as if he's being treated unfairly
Only if they have chips on their shoulders and are looking for 'injustices' imo.
>It sounds a bit antisocial to say it quite like that above since we do, as a matter of fact, depend on others
Some may say antisocial, i say realistic and logical. Assuming that a mutual relationship will be maintained past its benefit to one party is naivety. This is the reason for the increasingly contractual workings of our society. If they have no obligation, or incentive, to uphold the premise of the relationship it decays.
There are exceptions of course. 'Morals' can provide emotional/reputational incentives where financial ones are missing. But this is outside the norm and many who claim to be 'moral' will perform the silliest mental gymnastics to justify 'immorality'.

>>55379876
Damn its funny to see a brainlet chimp out at a post he doesnt understand

>>55380315
>Only if they have chips on their shoulders and are looking for 'injustices' imo.
Yes, but you'd generally give this kind of advice to people who do have chips on their shoulder. You don't need to tell someone who's acting responsibly and not whining to "be responsible"; that's what you say to people you think are fucking up. It even is part of their fucking up in life that they are always looking for "injustices". It's a delusion, I agree. But people who have this delusion also interpret everything said to them in such as way that it makes them ignore advice (that's why the delusion can stay around for decades, or their whole lives).
>But this is outside the norm and many who claim to be 'moral' will perform the silliest mental gymnastics to justify 'immorality'.
Ain't it the truth. Everyone's righteous in his own eyes for some reason and everything is everyone else's fault.
I even automatically faulted you for being "mean" in >>55379850, it's just how the mind works. That's why I said it took me a bit to work through it, because my first reaction, like everyone else's, is "he's saying something I don't like, well that's just a bunch of horseshit, what's wrong with him". We almost never ask whether something's wrong with us, we're always moral, right, etc.

>>55380335
He has the same thing wrong with him as I do, but I said it. We all have more or less the same things wrong with us, but the bullshit flows around in just such a way that everyone call feel that he is right whereas everyone else is talking shit.

It’s the nature of modernity, I think. Most pursuits are undignified. I wish understood that when I was younger. It would’ve made things a lot clearer.

>>55380399
>You don't need to tell someone who's acting responsibly and not whining to "be responsible"
True. It might work better with a synonym or as an analogy.
>We almost never ask whether something's wrong with us, we're always moral, right, etc.
True again. And ourselves are the only things we can actually control. I think it just takes time and practice to change though, same with anything. I was used to submitting to circumstance and holding it responsible. Even once i realized and acknowledged the control i have over my circumstance and how i let it effect me, it still took awhile to get out of the habitual thought patterns of blaming and into a productive cycle of thoughts. And it's easy to fall back into it when you don't keep yourself correct.

>>55380295
The amount of money you’d need to save and then deploy to dividend stocks in order to actually live off the dividends is an amount that renders the advice totally unrealistic for just about everyone.

>>55377805
What the FUCK did I do to deserve being a wagie bitch?
Nobody deserves anything. It is what it is. Play the game, or kill yourself, it's all the same. Earth is a miniature hell but it's also a miniature heaven. You're only seeing half the picture. There is friendship, love, pursuit of knowledge and good keks to have in this world. Although friends can become enemies, knowledge may take you apart from your fellow kind, laughing at everything a sort of escapism, and love can bring severe pain if you lose your loved ones. This is a world of dualities. I'm sure if think hard enough there must have been good things or lessons to be learned as well in the jobs you had.

>>55380466
But, thanks for educating me (I don't mean that in a smarmy way). It really is almost impossible to get through these kinds of mental traps. As you saw, people can give completely well-meaning advice, and the mind auto-falsifies it on the fly anyway. "Doesn't matter what anyone says, he's wrong, I'm right, tell him that he's wrong and maybe also that he can go fuck himself". It's true for me as well as >>55380017.

>>55377805
Congratulations, you have achieved Moksha.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha

>>55380666
>> These movements such as Buddhism, Jainism and new schools within Hinduism, saw human life as bondage to a repeated process of rebirth. This bondage to repeated rebirth and life, each life subject to injury, disease and aging, was seen as a cycle of suffering. By release from this cycle, the suffering involved in this cycle also ended.

Breeders BTFO

Relax and let AI take over.

Automated Utopia here we come! DO YOUR PART, DO NOT WORK!

>>55377805
its not just this planet its everything about how this universe is set up and its evil from the ground up.
It already starts with things like, you have to Murder other living things to survive.
and every animal has to do it, things like Plants have a fight like that too where they fight over sunlight, you get blocked out of light you die.
even the smallest bacteriums are fighting and killing and eating each other for survival. this fight even happens inside your body right now as part of some
process that keeps you alive.
But it gets worse from here, because all these animals and all these Plants and bacteriums so all living beings are created by the same source of Energy, the source of energy that created this earth and its sun, the galaxy, the other galaxies and all its trillions of stars known as the cosmic web. its all made out of the same energy and that energy is also what makes up our minds.
Energy cant be destroyed only transformed and it doesnt seem to have an end to it. no matter how far we zoom out we cant find an end to this, what we find is that more worlds are forming right now, new stars are created all the time and a new star means a new chance that this energy transforms basic elements into some living being and thats how (You) will always come back.
I assume that when you die it doesnt matter if you procreated or not, if you dont procreate you will move on to the next world and these worlds are playing by the same rules as this one.
So you think you can free yourself from rebirth and this endless cycle but its not true. you just come back as something somewhere else doing it all over again, having forgotten everything, and this energy once again taking its course until eventually you are some hominid again that has to wagecuck or maybe you end up as a pig for another 3 million years.
so tldr:
not procreating = switch to a different world/vessel
procreating = staying in this world and this vessel for another ride
there is no escape.

>>55380999
This entire premise is based on the assumption that good and evil exist and can be measured and applied to reality. Also reincarnation.
I reject this premise and any conclusion based upon it. You created these fictional, or at least unprovable, circumstances in your mind. Conjuring up problems that don't exist or can't be solved in order to feel bad about them and excuse your lack of trying.
Break the negative cycle by focusing on the positive and engaging in the productive.

>>55379651
But it is your fault that things are the way they are. Only you can change it by realizing what you are.

>>55381068
there is nothing fictional about this, this is literally how this entire universe works. all these things are measurable and backed up by facts.
of course you refuse it because this doesnt sound very good and too evil to you. funny in a way.

>>55380999
This is essentially the Bhavagad Gita but without the lesson that nothing really matters but despite that you must carry on with your duty because of karmic reasons. Kill a friend in war, he'll reborn. You die in battle, no matter since you'll reborn and nothing can truly die---this anon explains it perfectly >>55381068
this is just based on fiction, don't take it too seriously as an ultimate truth otherwise people would kill themselves until they spawn as Emma Watson's underwear eventually

>>55381071
The answer is not straightforwardly expressible or knowable.

I'm not reading all of that doomer bullshit, shoot yourself into space if you hate it here so much

>>55381191
>you must carry on
you dont have a choice anyway, you will exist inside this universe and it doesnt matter it you want to or not.
there is literally no way out and this is some sort of eternal never ending thing that will keep happening forever. a cycle that never stops and that extends into infinity.
kill yourself all you want it changes nothing about anything.
you can try and cope tho.

>>55381135
>all these things are measurable and backed up by facts.
Post the objective metric for evil/good. Use this metric to explain why eating being evil is the factual conclusion. Then prove the reincarnation cycle.
But before you do any of that, consider the term 'rose-tinted glasses' and take off your shades.

>>55380999
All of this is only applicable under conditions of scarcity. I mean that scarcity is a part of the universe as a concept, not that certain things happen to be scarce.

>>55381508
>scarcity
every element (and life too) exists in unlimited numbers, its the seemingly random distribution that creates "scarcity".

>>55381356
>Use this metric to explain why eating being evil is the factual conclusion.
you have to take someones life away to prolong yours.
thats the basic concept that applies to every lifeform.
>Then prove the reincarnation cycle.
I already did. need proof? look in the mirror and ask yourself how you got here.
Its because you are part of the energy that creates this universe.

>>55377805
You help your kid and the others anon, that's how it works

>>55381290
>You must carry on
Not just carry on. The message is you must perform whatever duty you were born into with all your. You're a king? Well be a good king. You born as a slave, well be a good slave then. If you don't, well, inaction is also an action. But you lose karmic points and go far away from enlightenment and nirvana, which ends the cycle. That's it, and yes, it's all cope.

>>55381713
>you have to take someones life away to prolong yours.
>thats the basic concept that applies to every lifeform.
You assume that's evil. You expect me to assume so too. I have already told you i reject that premise.
Now explain why it's evil and not good. Explain the system for measuring good and evil.
>inb4 common sense

>>55381713
>you have to take someones life away to prolong yours.
I don't like this, s-so it's evil. It just the way it is.
>need proof? look in the mirror and ask yourself how you got here
This is just too retarded to be taken as a serious answer. Imagine looking yourself in the mirror and thinking somehow that's proof you existed as other life forms before. If anything, your existence is a testament of the work of a god if you feel a bit spiritual . How you got here mostly it means mommy and daddy got in love and had unprotected sex

>>55381834
There is no ending to the cycle.
>>55381839
death is a negative thing for every life form, being forced to kill to survive is an evil mechanism. even objectively speaking.
>>55381992
>and thinking somehow that's proof you existed as other life forms
you are made from the same energy that created everything else and that energy never goes away and right now that energy is "trapped" in your vessel aka your body.
once you die that energy returns back to the universe that recycles it into something else and it creates an unimaginable amount of lifeforms all the time which tells us that life itself is not something special.

>>55379620
Bitch, please. I can't unjew the system. Life isn't an anime. I'm not the "main character" that will take down the governments and become king

>>55382110
>move to somewhere else with better conditions
>change profession
>live in the woods
>kys and respawn

there are many things you can do to change your situation.

>>55379757
he's not. Guy is a neet tard that thinks life = anime
>>55380005
Do what exactly? The hell, dumbass. Lol. This guy expects me to take down all governments as if that's realistic. Stfu
>>55380999
Yep. God designed this universe to fail. Cursed existence.

>>55382128
>just mooove
That needs a wojack meme. "The moover"

>>55382086
>being forced to kill to survive is an evil mechanism. even objectively speaking
No, it's not. You see it as evil because a life form has to die. Everyone's food, and the rule applies for every life organism. If anything, that's "objective" "justice".
>you are made from the same energy that created everything else and that energy never goes away and right now that energy is "trapped" in your vessel aka your body.
Picrel.

Sorry bro better luck next spawn

>>55382086
>death is a negative thing for every life form, being forced to kill to survive is an evil mechanism. even objectively speaking.
Ok. So let's say i kill a locust nest that would've destroyed a crop if left to grow to maturity. A crop that is the only source of food for a village and its herd. Have i committed evil by killing to preventing evil?
Or let's say i drop some iodine/chlorine/fluoride into the local well to kill bacterium that would kill children and young animals. Have i committed evil again by killing to prevent evil?
And which one of these two preventative acts was the greater evil and why was none of them good?
>>55382110
>Bitch, please. I can't unjew the system.
But you can jew it to maximize the benefit you receive from it or minimize your suffering.
Or leave it for another system.

>>55379651
>>55379746
It's not "silently overloaded" with it per se. It's just that in boomer colloquial speech it is in fact a synonym for fault, with an extra sprinkling of "...and it's not my problem" on top. They took a word that's *supposed* to be a call to action and perverted it into a dismissive accusation.

>>55382162
so if someone murders your family in front of your eyes and eats them its okay because they are just food to them? you wouldnt be mad or perceive it as evil?
hard to believe.
>Picrel.
nope what I described is literally how the universe and how life works.
>>55382319
>Have i committed evil
its evil all the way anon.
you have to kill to save your own life, the locust has to kill to save its own life etc.
>preventing evil
this is literally impossible and there is no such thing as "preventing evil". as soon as you begin to exist you are already taking part in evil and doing your part.
you are always forced to kill and take life away.

>>55382145
No one is telling you to take down the world governments.
Anons are only telling you to quit kvetching about things you, and everyone reading here, have no control over and use the time and energy you spend kvetching to produce results that are positive for yourself.
See cap for an analogy.

>>55382402
If everything is evil. Nothing is evil. Everything just is.
Good and evil need the contrast to exist. Same as justice and injustice. Law and crime. Shadow and light. Hot and cold. Dry and wet. They define each other. Without each other, they cannot be defined.
Think about it for a minute, you cannot even explain what is evil except by implying the opposite is good. E.G not killing is good

>>55382456
>Good and evil need the contrast to exist.
the basis of this entire existence is murder and this universe is all about tearing each other apart. being "good" only means "killing less" but nothing really changes conceptually.
of course if you look at it from an outside perspective its all "neutral", from our human or any other lifeforms POV its all evil and an endless struggle that extends into forever.

>>55382564
>the basis of this entire existence is murder and this universe is all about tearing each other apart.
So why is that evil? You still haven't explained.
>from our human or any other lifeforms POV its all evil
Do you really think bacteria think about retarded ideas like good and evil? Their POV is simply i ate or i got ate.
Or even lions?
And what about bacteria that don't eat other lifeforms. I suppose they are the only good lifeforms in your fictional morality.
But back to my point about contrast. Evil itself is a good thing because good cannot exist without it. Good itself is an evil thing because evil cannot exist without it. So the whole argument is moot.
Things simply are.
>an endless struggle that extends into forever.
Struggle leads to victory or defeat. A good thing happened regardless of the side you look from, so too did a bad thing.. Without the struggle, there is no victory or defeat.

>>55379576
They are softening the target prior to invasion/takeover/paradigm shift. Surf’s up.

>>55379620
>oh no! I was born in south sudan, i really should ACT on it, I know! I will become a child killing monster!!!!
>WHAT THE FUCK LITTLE BROS!!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN SOUTH SUDAN??? PEACE!!! PEACE!!!
xD

>>55382376
That's how they "silently overloaded" it: they attached this second meaning through usage so some people hear one meaning, others hear another, or even both, and so, communication breaks down because people talk past each other.
If people always scream some word at you, red in the face, you'll naturally think it's some curse.

>>55382662
He doesn’t understand that the universe is an Energy Transformation Machine. Until he traces the flow of energy through the ecosystem he can never align his understanding to comprehend and thrive in the machine.

>>55382702
You can always leave south sudan. A productive action that alleviates, or removes you from, the undesirable circumstances.
The fact you had to make up a retarded strawman is proof of your intent to stay miserable regardless of opporunities.

>>55382662
>So why is that evil?
because you take the life away from someone else, I already explained that.
please learn to read more carefully so I dont have to repeat myself endlessly.
>Do you really think bacteria think
that is not the point. bacteria are lifeforms too, very important ones.
of course its relatively inconsequential to kill them, its still killing tho.
>Their POV is simply i ate or i got ate
this is the POV of every lifeform.
take life away to prolong yours.
>what about bacteria that don't eat other lifeforms
no such thing, in some way or form they still kill or serve as a food source. which again means something has to get killed.
>because good cannot exist without it
again "good" only means "killing less", "good" doesnt exist.
>victory or defeat
just means you killed to survive or you got killed so someone/something else can survive.
someone has to lose so there can be a "winner", the price is you get to kill more.

>>55382738
>JUST LEAVE SOUTH SUDAN
>EZ APPLY FOR REFUGEE STATUS
>THERE WE “MAGICALLY “ FIXED THE ISSUE
>SURELY NOTHING WILL GO WRONG
and this is why racism politics will win again

>>55382738
>There was an oil spill in ohio? bro just leave ohio and move somewhere else!!!!
sanest asmongold enjoyer

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>>55382845
>because you take the life away from someone else, I already explained that.
Explain like i'm a child why that is evil.
>of course its relatively inconsequential to kill them
Why is it inconsequential to kill bacteria and not a person?
>this is the POV of every lifeform.
>what about bacteria that don't eat other lifeforms
>no such thing, in some way or form they still kill or serve as a food source
There are bacteria that only subsist on minerals or waste and are not prey because of their mineral rich environment.
>again "good" only means "killing less", "good" doesnt exist.
'Evil' only means 'killing more' , 'evil' doesn't exist.
>just means you killed to survive or you got killed so someone/something else can survive.
>someone has to lose so there can be a "winner"
Exactly. So there is no evil here because in every instance there are positives and negatives.
Even if you kys from extreme moralfagging, you will become food. Your cells, which had a long lineage, will become prey to others that they are exposed to only because you have died. So there is no good. And following that, no evil.
>the price is you get to kill more.
That doesn't sound like a price.

>>55382905
You presented living in sudan as the problem. Leaving it is the only logical solution to that problem for an individual.
I am not, and you should not be, trying to solve global problems. Especially not on 4chan. Enter the political circus to attempt wider solutions.
Sort yourself out first though.

>>55382975
evil exists, if someone ties up you and your family and then murders them in front of you for no reason, isn't that evil? Eating for food isn't evil because we're forced to do it.

>>55377805
I don't get what's up with people like you, just start a business if you don't like working for someone?

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>>55377805
A dark soul is a phenomenon of a person slowly but meticulously destroying themselves, both physically and spiritually. Living in the edges of extreme narcissism, paranoia, schizophrenia, they are most unstable individuals ever to exist.

You can actually see them in your day to day life. Your coworker, boss, wife-husband, your parents. Not comprehending basic functioning, slowly filling themselves with so much hate that they can't function like a regular human being anymore. Auditory Processing Disorder for example.

They may continue living, existing, but it is a hollow existence. A life devoid of meaning, substance or essence of anything good. So far away from humanity, that one may even argue they might be an anomaly in the evolution of humanity.

If you are not careful, take life as granted and become a narcissist, you may become hollow.. a dark soul.
But if you take on the phenomenon of life as a gift, and try to be a authentic self anon, you may achieve Nirvana perhaps not in this form of existence but who knows when. Only thing sure is that you will achieve it, whereas in a dark soul will never achieve it. They are lost in the Samsara, lost in the absurdity of the existence.

>>55383046
>evil exists
Disagree.
>if someone ties up you and your family and then murders them in front of you for no reason,
For no reason? Impossible. It happened for a reason. Multiple in fact. I did not protect my family, my family did not protect themselves, the murderer chose my family to murder. For a reason. Availability, homicide at first sight, whatever. It happens for a reason.
>isn't that evil?
Why are you asking me? I don't believe evil exists. I think it would have an extreme negative impact on me, perhaps even the perpetrator. I think it is an illogical conclusion to whatever problem prompted the act. Evil i cannot account for.
You can't seem to account for it either.

>>55382961
you cannot chose not to play. its literally a game you cant quit.
>>55382975
>Explain like i'm a child why that is evil.
already did.
>Why is it inconsequential to kill bacteria and not a person?
thats why I wrote "relatively", please read more carefully so I dont have to repeat myself a million times.
>There are bacteria that only subsist on minerals or waste
they also serve as food source for other bacteriums but also create the things that plants need.
>'evil' doesn't exist.
evil means killing more thats why its all evil from the ground up. you cant abstain from killing.
>in every instance there are positives and negatives.
only when you look at it objectively from an outside perspective.
its positive the worms have something to eat but its negative I had to murder your mother for it.
>extreme moralfagging
it has nothing to do with morals, even if you ignore all morals the world is still about killing and taking life away.
>So there is no good. And following that, no evil.
there is only evil, and no good.
>That doesn't sound like a price.
its not meant to be but thats how it works.
wanna live longer and experience the meat space?
kill more to sustain yourself.

>>55383143
>already did.
No you didn't.
You posted an example of something you considered 'evil' and asked me if it was evil.
You did not explain why it was evil. I cannot explain why it's evil.
>hats why I wrote "relatively"
Why 'relatively'? Explain the 'relativity' so i can measure it and commit the least evil by killing only in the most 'inconsequential' manner.
>they also serve as food source for other bacteriums but also create the things that plants need.
Snottites.
>only when you look at it objectively from an outside perspective.
So you admit that your entire perspective is subjective and can be changed at will? At any time you can stop feeling sad and disappointed by changing your subjective perspective from that of a victim of circmstance to an enjoyer of events?
>it has nothing to do with morals
Good and evil is morality. Killing is an act independent of morality until morality is applied by the mind. Just like every instance of it, it exist nowhere outside the mind.
>there is only evil, and no good.
Invincible ignorance.
>kill more to sustain yourself.
As i said, doesn't sound like a price. I'm getting the good deal here.

>>55383080
>A dark soul is a phenomenon of a person slowly but meticulously destroying themselves, both physically and spiritually. Living in the edges of extreme narcissism, paranoia, schizophrenia, they are most unstable individuals ever to exist.
>Your coworker, boss, wife-husband, your parents. Not comprehending basic functioning, slowly filling themselves with so much hate that they can't function like a regular human being anymore. Auditory Processing Disorder for example.
That seems true to me too. Funnily enough, I'm also all of those things, just without the hate. I mean in quality, not always.

>>55382402
>so if someone murders your family in front of your eyes and eats them its okay because they are just food to them? you wouldnt be mad or perceive it as evil? hard to believe.
Maybe I'd feel mad, maybe I wouldn't. Maybe I would jerk off seeing that. Maybe in a apocalyptic scenario were food is scarce we cannibalize each other I'd feel defeated. Maybe I'd be mad because I overinvested emotions in my family. Maybe I hate the guts of all of them and I would be rather happy. Who cares about what I "feel"? That's not important to great scheme of things, how this universe works. All your arguments are reduced to "this produces me bad feelings/displeasure hence this is evil" The lion is more inclined to think God is in his side more than the gazelle does, but he still has to die eventually. The people who are eating my family would be feeling ecstasy beyond words at the banquet. That doesn't make it a good act. You perceive killing as evil. In particular killing to extend your own life. What so precious about life that taking it become "evil" in your mind? I think you may be taking hinduist philosophy too seriously. You need to eat, pal. The alternative is starving to death. And not even that, suppose you catch a flu or get infected, your own white cells kills whatever bacteria they perceive as a harmful agent. You can't get though life without killing other life beings for food and sometimes to defend yourself. No workaround on that. Imagine you would have to raise and feed your own cattle and kill them to eat. Thank god for macdonalds

>>55377805
>No such thing as a good job
Nobody is going to pay you for something that is enjoyable all the time.

>>55383404
There are men that get paid to have sex.

>>55383249
>You posted an example
you are always forced to take life away.
is that not simple enough for you to get it?
>Why 'relatively'?
from our Human perspective murdering humans is different than murdering bacteriums or microorganisms. but its both the same process which is murder.
>Snottites
"there are a few organisms that have been observed to feed on snottites or similar biofilms in caves"
>At any time you can
you can do and think whatever you want, worlds a sandbox but the basic rules still stand. you have to kill to survive.
>Killing is an act independent of morality
yes exactly, it has nothing to do with morality but killing is still a negative thing, therefore evil. you can of course ignore it and pretend its nothing negative by only looking at the positives like you stop being hungry or you removed a pest or whatever its still the same thing you have to take a life to prolong yours.
>Invincible ignorance.
like I said, being "good" only means "killing less".
thinking "good" exists is just cope to ignore the nature of this reality.
>>55383399
>You can't get though life without killing other life
thats the point I'm trying to make.

>>55379746
>Only in the minds of women and weak men,
And everyone else in this litigious society. Watched a guy go to court for a year and a half to fight a false accusation of a felony and when he finally won the judge says "This could have all been over last year if you'd just taken responsibility".
>in my mind
Yeah, you're repeating some bullshit without thinking about it. As long as you are beholden to anybody else, 'taking responsibility' just means getting shit on while the good things go to the people who take credit or the people who are buddies with the boss.

>>55383477
Yes. With other men.

>>55383518
>you are always forced to take life away.
You refuse to explain, or are incapable of explaining, why this is evil.
If i kill the murder from your example before he murders my family, was that evil? Why/why not?
>from our Human perspective murdering humans is different than murdering bacteriums or microorganisms.
Why? Explain the relativity of inconsequential murder.
>"there are a few organisms that have been observed to feed on snottites or similar biofilms in caves"
I did not know this.
>you can do and think whatever you want, worlds a sandbox but the basic rules still stand. you have to kill to survive.
Why is this evil if it is the only option?
>yes exactly, it has nothing to do with morality but killing is still a negative thing
Only negative to the killed. It is a positive thing for the killer. If eating.
>therefore evil
Explain why all negative things are evil.
>you can of course ignore it and pretend its nothing negative by only looking at the positives
you can of course ignore it and pretend its nothing positive by only looking at the negatives.
>like I said, being "good" only means "killing less".
like i said, being "evil" only means "killing more"
>thinking "good" exists is just cope to ignore the nature of this reality.
thinking "evil" exists is just cope to ignore the nature of this reality.
>thats the point I'm trying to make.
Explain why it's evil.

Congratulations, you have achieved Moksha (解脱) AKA Gedatsu.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha

>>55383598
In my opinion evil is when you cause suffering to other people when its not necessary, for example someone ties up you and your family and rapes your wife in front of you to fulfill his fucked up fantasy. He doesn't need to do this to survive and other people don't do this so its evil

>>55383652
A lion doesn't need to kill the babies of its competition to survive. Is this also evil?

>>55383651
>>This bondage to repeated rebirth and life, each life subject to injury, disease and aging, was seen as a cycle of suffering. By release from this cycle, the suffering involved in this cycle also ended.

>>55383666
Having said that, only through Christ will tour soul be redeemed. Otherwise, enjoy the LCL.

>>55383666
NEETS should be allowed to work without losing NEETbux

>>55383665
i don't know how smart animals are, if they're full instinct they're not capable of evil

>>55383770
So morality only applies to those who can imagine it?
With imagination, you can moralize anything.

>>55382415
Learn to read. I said EVEN IF I BECOME RICH AGAIN I won't stop seeing this world as evil because it is OBJECTIVELY evil. But sure, live in your sugar coated reality

ASS STATUS: OBLITERATED

>>55382456
>Nothing is evil
You're stupid for being stuck on semantics. Point is this world is surrounded with more negative feedback loops rather than positive. Most will NOT make it out of the negative feedback loop because societies are designed to make people cattle. Few enslave the many.

>>55383990
>EVEN IF I BECOME RICH AGAIN
> I won't stop seeing this world as evil because it is OBJECTIVELY evil.
Did you develop this unique and useful perspective before or after you stopped being rich?

>>55384031
Before and the salt remained. I can't "unredpill" myself. I hate the world for factual reasons. The world is designed to fail and most will burn in hell anyways. Cursed.

>>55384012
>Most will NOT
By choice. Choosing to believe, choosing not to look, choosing not to try.
You can leave the loop at any time if you abandon preventative conditions. Such as needing 'most' to leave with you.
Why do 'most' matter to an individual anyway? Even if you want to 'help' the most people possible. The most people you help is not 'most' people. A helped person, in this context of leaving loops, is no longer part of the majority.
If your concern is societal, form or join a smaller society. Large societies are toxic to individuality in almost every instance.
In any case, 4chan is not the place to form such a society or seek it out. Especially not /biz/
All attempts can and will be subverted into an actionable terrorist plot with you as the perpetrator and your fellow founder being the hero who caught you.
Therefore complaints should be voiced elsewhere unless there is actionable solutions that can be discussed here. (All of which will likely be jannied or slid)

>>55384059
And you made and lost your wealth entirely by chance i assume.
You define yourself. Whether as a victim of the circumstances imposed upon you or as an enforcer of your will.

>>55384106
>By choice
Lol. The system is designed to make the masses into cattle. By definition, masses = majority. That's not a "choice". It's like saying it's your "choice" to not be a billionaire. Are you lazy, anon? Why aren't you a billionaire? Because you chose to be lazy apparently. Realistically it's a number of factors out of your control such as genetics and family your born into which also includes connections and specific training that is not available anywhere else i.e. trade secrets that are passed on from family to offspring aka shit you can't even self-teach

>>55384130
Because riches is based on luck, nigger. You get capital from being a wagie bitch, invest, and if luck is by your side, you win. It's luck based. Why aren't you a billionaire? Cause you're a lazy sack of shit apparently LOL

>>55383598
>was that evil?
its always evil to kill and you have to kill or you get killed.
>Explain the relativity of inconsequential murder.
its happening on such a small scale you dont even register it.
of course there is no such thing as "inconsequential murder" because in some way it has an effect on the biosphere, no matter how little.
>I did not know this.
there is lots of things you dont know.
>Why is this evil if it is the only option?
because you dont have a choice, its not something you can opt out from.
you exist in a world where it is fundamental to kill.
>It is a positive thing for the killer.
its only positive for the killer because he gets to exist a bit longer to kill more.
>like i said, being "evil" only means "killing more"
exactly, thats what makes this world evil from the ground up.
>the nature of this reality.
is evil.
>Explain why it's evil.
I already did like 50 times but it doesnt seem to register in your brain. probably some sort of cope reflex.

>>55384134
I am not a billionare because for three reasons and three reasons alone, all other reason being speculative;
1) I currently do not know how to pursue and maintain wealth of that scale
2) I doubt i will be able to
3) This is not my goal
All are choices. I can learn, i can dispel doubts, i can change goals.
Your genetics cope is just cope. As are these supposed secrets you are not privy to.
Of course it must be things outside of your control that prevent you achieving something you have never seriously considered nevermind attempted.
>>55384146
>Riches based on luck
Victim mentality.
>Be fisherman
>Catching fish is luck
>Staying in choppy sea is risk
>Sailing is work
>No luck, no risk, no work, no fish
You can maximize your potential gain(luck) and minimize potential loss(risk) by maneuvering your position correctly.(work)

>>55384265
>its always evil to kill
Why is that so?
>its happening on such a small scale you dont even register it.
So it only counts if i am witness to it?
>of course there is no such thing as "inconsequential murder"
Your words, not mine.
>>55382845 of course its relatively inconsequential to kill them, its still killing tho.
>there is lots of things you dont know.
Relatively. But not to you.
>because you dont have a choice, its not something you can opt out from.
So how can it be evil if there is no alternative?
>its only positive for the killer because he gets to exist a bit longer to kill more.
What about the killers family and offspring?
>exactly, thats what makes this world evil from the ground up.
How can it be evil if there is no alternative?
>I already did like 50 times
You explained it zero times.
You say an act is evil then refuse to explain why. Then you pretend i'm an idiot for not taking your word on it.
I'm beginning to think you are underage.

>>55384290
No, it's for one reason. You're not a billionaire because you weren't destined to be one. No, it's not in your control, but keep lying to yourself though.
>Victim mentality.
It's called reality, sugar coating beta male. A real man analyzes reality and is objective. Not be "mindlessly optimistic".
>You can maximize your potential gain(luck) and minimize potential loss(risk) by maneuvering your position correctly.(work)
Like I said further above, you wagie, you invest during the bear market, and then cross your fingers. Simple as. Either that or a business which is limited by many factors (most fail for a reason. Their fail rate makes them as bad as gambling. It's not proportional to effort invested).
You have this delusional mindset that "just trying" = anything is possible. Not how reality works or you'd be able to become the number one engineer through sheer effort alone. Most of life is not in your control. You can't control your genes. You can't control the wealth you are born into. All you can control is that 1% and min/max with that. In most cases that 1% doesn't mean jack shit and to truly buy your freedom you'll need luck in some form. Most don't have it hence they stay trapped as wagie bitches for life

>>55384331
>Why is that so?
already explained like 100 times. please learn to read.
>So it only counts if i am witness to it?
no was also already explained. again learn to read.
>Your words, not mine.
as I already said "RELATIVELY inconsequential " again learn to read.
>So how can it be evil if there is no alternative?
its an evil world without alternatives.
>What about the killers family and offspring?
what about them?
>How can it be evil if there is no alternative?
because you dont have a choice.
you cant opt out. you are forced and there is only one way this works here.
>then refuse to explain why
I already explained it millions of times. here let me explain it again:
>YOU HAVE TO TAKE LIFE AWAY TO PROLONG YOURS THERE IS NO REFUSING IT
if you still dont get it then yes you are probably retarded.

>>55384389
>destined
Prove it exists. Otherwise, useless superstition.
The rest of your post is constructing an argument i never made.
I have specifically stated since my very first post to ignore things beyond your control because it is futile to do so and it is only productive to focus on what is within your control. I have never implied that you can turn any circumstance to a positive one. Only that your experience can be positive by abandoning, or changing if applicable, your existing circumstance.
>1%
FUD. Genetics argument is stale cope. Your genes change over your lifespan in response to environmental stimuli.
>Most don't have it
Stop defining yourself as 'most' then.
Simple as.

>>55377805
Read genesis 3 to learn why work sucks, then read the rest of the Bible to find Christ and live a meaningful life

>>55384451
You're delusional as fuck. Especially the "muh genetics don't matter" crap. I'll also repeat what I said above. Even if I become rich again, it won't stop the world from being a piece of shit. Simple as. I don't sugar coat reality. Earth is lost and the human race was a mistake.

I don’t think the world is inherently evil or shitty. I think in so far as it is evil or shitty, it is so because we made it that way. The world is a lot uglier and more ignoble than it used to be, but that seems to have been a choice.

>>55384467
I already know. It was purposely designed to fail. This is Satan's planet.

>>55384410
>already explained like 100 times.
>also already explained
Greentext all the explainations you've made so far.
>"RELATIVELY inconsequential "
Explain how to measure the relative inconsequentiality or consequentiality of various lifeforms.
>an evil world without alternatives.
Therefore not evil.
>what about them?
it's a positive for the family that a killer killed to feed them. Does this not balance out the negativity? One animal can feed many.
>you are forced and there is only one way this works here.
Then the way it works cannot be evil because there is no working version of good.
>I already explained it millions of times.
See first sentence.
>YOU HAVE TO TAKE LIFE AWAY TO PROLONG YOURS THERE IS NO REFUSING IT
I'll ask again as many times as it takes, why is taking life evil? Just because you say so?

>>55384475
>Especially the "muh genetics don't matter" crap.
Ever heard of the tardchef?
>Wants to cook
>Cooks, everyone cheers
>Want to get paid to cook, everyone laughs 'tards can't chef'
>Opens tard-only resteraunt and gets paid to cook, every 'muh genetics' coper seethes
Cope with your genetics bullshit though. Are you 'genetically fat'?
>Even if I become rich again, it won't stop the world from being a piece of shit.
But it will drastically improve your experience in it. You can even create a bubble that is nigh-immune to the outside shitstorm with enough wealth. This is within your control. This has been my point since my first post. Do what you can to improve your experience.
Or give up and die but no-one is taking the blame or obligated to help you.
>Earth is lost and the human race was a mistake
By whom and whom?

>>55384536
>tardcheft
What, some tard thatknows how to cook? Big deal
>fat
Post body. I know I look better than you, lol
>But it will drastically improve your experience in it
You're selfish and only think of you. I'm not so I empathize more with the masses.
You could never get it for this alone.
>By whom and whom?
God

>>55382110
The same people who smugly say it's your fault, take resposnibility and pull yourself up by your bootstaps turn around and also blame other groups/races/whatever for their problems.
>>55383404
>Nobody is going to pay you for something that is enjoyable all the time.
Likely not. But if you enjoy drawing, and get paid to draw, you're just nitpicking to complain 'but sometimes I have to do thing I enjoy when I don't really feel like it.'

>>55384566
>What, some tard thatknows how to cook? Big deal
Who owns a restaurant.
>Post body
No, it was an example of the kind of cope you are employing. Genetics has become a catch-all for anything you don't want to, or doubt your ability to, achieve.
>You're selfish and only think of you.
I've given more of my money away than i've kept for myself. All to family.
>I empathize more with the masses.
This is why you're defined in misery with rare moments of joy. Like the masses. Empathy is something that should be reserved like respect. It is only worthy if it is mutual and earned. All else is virtue signalling doormatism.
>You could never get it for this alone.
'Luckily' for me i refuse to subject myself to the requiring of empathy from strangers.
>God
God cannot make mistakes. By any definition. Unless you speak of a deity which is not all powerful.

>>55384645
1. Don't care about cherry picked examples. For every tard with a business, 9999 of them can't do shit and need to live with their parents for life
2. Because genetics literally determines your cap, dumbass. You can't force your brain to handle high level things. You either have the IQ or you don't.
3. Don't care. Doesn't change the fact that the world as a whole is trash.
4. Bad mentality. That's just sweeping problems under the rug. Jesus empathizes with all humans and humans are supposed to follow his example. The reason the world is lost is because those in power are satanists at heart.
5. Read above
6. LOL you completely misunderstand. He purposely designed the world to fail. Why do you even think we age in the first place? Because of mutations. Mutations are coding errors. Literal mistakes. They aren't good. If God wanted to, we would have permanent bodies. Instead they are designed to die. Pic rel btw. This world is of Sin.

>>55384766
>1. Don't care about cherry picked examples. For every tard with a business, 9999 of them can't do shit and need to live with their parents for life
Then be the one.
>2. Because genetics literally determines your cap, dumbass. You can't force your brain to handle high level things. You either have the IQ or you don't.
What is neuroplasticity? And post proof of people using 100% of their genetic brainpower.
>3. Don't care. Doesn't change the fact that the world as a whole is trash.
So stop caring. That's all you have to do.
>4. Bad mentality. That's just sweeping problems under the rug. Jesus empathizes with all humans and humans are supposed to follow his example. The reason the world is lost is because those in power are satanists at heart.
Jesus wasn't real. The only record of him is two semites and one guilty roman. Just like moses.
>5. Read above
Atenism rebranded. A multicultural smorgasbord of mesopotamian/north african myth. Every 'historical account' in all three semitic scripts disproven.
>6. LOL you completely misunderstand. He purposely designed the world to fail. Why do you even think we age in the first place? Because of mutations. Mutations are coding errors. Literal mistakes. They aren't good. If God wanted to, we would have permanent bodies. Instead they are designed to die. Pic rel btw. This world is of Sin.
So god is to blame for the shit in your life, including the satanists who make your world shit.
Ok. I guess God just loves me more.

>I guess God just loves me more.
Or maybe it is that i love God more.

>>55384484
You don't seem to know. It wasn't designed to fail, this world was made good and then we ruined it and keep ruining it by sinning. But in Christ there is a way to be freed from sin and it's consequences. Also the guy who designed these captcha's deserves punishment for doing so

>>55384831
>be the one
You are illiterate as fuck. I repeated this shit countless times. I said above EVEN IF I BECOME RICH AGAIN it won't change how I see the world. How do you suck this much are reading?
>What is neuroplasticity? And post proof of people using 100% of their genetic brainpower.
I'm arguing with a fool that thinks everyone can reach the same cap LOL
>be a satanist. That's all you have to do!
No, I'm not retarded
>Jesus wasn't real. The only record of him is two semites and one guilty roman. Just like moses.
Cope. Abiogenesis and evolution aren't real. It's not science based. I can btfo you if you want? Also there is LITERAL historical evidence of Jesus. Even atheist historians acknowledge this LOL
>Atenism rebranded. A multicultural smorgasbord of mesopotamian/north african myth. Every 'historical account' in all three semitic scripts disproven.
Read above. You're a coping idiot for thinking a cell came about by mere chance
>So God is to blame for the shit in your life, including the satanists who make your world shit.
You lack the IQ to read properly. Even if I became rich again, I'd still see this world as shit. This guy can't read LOL

>>55384854
No. It was designed to fail for His purpose. Humans aren't His end goal. If we were perfect and without sin, then He wouldn't be able to "judge who goes to heaven or hell" which is a part of his plan.

>>55384495
>YOU HAVE TO TAKE LIFE AWAY TO PROLONG YOURS THERE IS NO REFUSING IT
if you still dont get it sorry to tell you anon but you are retarded.
>>55384882
>EVEN IF I BECOME RICH AGAIN
wanna know how to get rich?
>you have to take away from others to get yours.

>>55377805
I have a good job. My life is good, and being is good, in my experience. Face it: you're just weak. Nothing needs to burn but you.

>>55384882
>You are illiterate as fuck. I repeated this shit countless times. I said above EVEN IF I BECOME RICH AGAIN it won't change how I see the world. How do you suck this much are reading?
We've moved on from that. Now we are discussing genetic potential limitations where i disproved your assumptions that genetics are the sole definer of your circumstance.
>I'm arguing with a fool that thinks everyone can reach the same cap LOL
My argument is that no-one has reached their 'cap' post proof otherwise.
>>be a satanist. That's all you have to do!
Nice strawman.
>Abiogenesis and evolution aren't real.
Didn't say it was. Now you just want to argue about something else. Stay on topic and correct your literacy.
> Also there is LITERAL historical evidence of Jesus.
Post/link.
>Even atheist historians acknowledge this LOL
I don't care what atheists believe. They are largely more retarded than theists. Especially when they fencesit for income to continue their autistic hobby. Which is all it is.
Both two sides of the same coin arguing who is going to land upside and missing the joy of the flip.
>You're a coping idiot for thinking a cell came about by mere chance
More strawman. You're arguing with a meme inside your head. You have decided what i am and what i believe.
>You lack the IQ to read properly.
Yes, i am most certainly the problem here. As is the whole world. It is a shame you are powerless to change anything about it and must suffer me eternally according to God's will. You can never stop reading my posts or paying attention to the global circus as that is satanic and lacks empathy.

>>55384905
>you have to take away from others to get yours.
Your choices in this system are to take from others or have things taken from you and be trapped as a wage slave bitch for some oligarch. At least with the markets it's consensual so I see it as ethical as long story short, you know it's all a game of musical chairs. Though really the number one thing that makes this system evil is cost of living being traded in a jewish way. If real estate weren't for profit, you'd see 90% of the problems in this world disappear because at that point you aren't held at gunpoint to be a wagie bitch aka waging would become consensual.

>>55384905
>if you still dont get it sorry to tell you anon but you are retarded.
Wrong. It was you all along. Many have agreed. Few support your perspective.
Tally it up and see for yourself.

>>55384932
>We've moved on from that.
If we did, you wouldn't be repeating stupid dumb shit. I didn't mention that randomly. I mentioned it as a response to you being illiterate lol. It was a proper response but you choose to ignore it like a moron.
>genetic potential limitations where i disproved your assumptions that genetics are the sole definer of your circumstance.
You're actually stupid. Do you have an IQ of 200+? No. Why? By your logic, because you're lazy LMFAO. No, stupid. It's because your genes limit you, dipshit. It's why you'll never see an any be the size of a skyscraper. Genetics write your limitations.
You need genes+luck to win at life. The worse your genes are, the more luck you need. Simple as. Life is a competition for resources and only a few can buy their freedom. If all it took was "muh work ethic", literally everyone grinding out the 40hr work week (or more) would be rich.
>My argument is that no-one has reached their 'cap' post proof otherwise.
You stupid fuck. You'll never see someone with down syndrome compete with say the top engineer in their field. There's your proof, stupid. It's common sense, but you don't have any.
Rest of your post is garbage cope. Also here's the link for your uneducated ass:
https://youtu.be/7Ufn5bhn8Cc

>>55384926
You're wired to want to be cattle. We aren't the same. Your weak for aiming so low. I want freedom. You want slavery. Pathetic.

>>55384926
Nah, Delita. I'm gonna blame you

>>55385021
>any
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>>55384936
>as
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>>55385021
>If we did
We did. I acknowledged your perspective and then we ceased discussing it here.>>55384031
>No. Why? By your logic, because you're lazy LMFAO.
Yes. I don't train my brain enough for maximum neuroplasticity.
>It's why you'll never see an any be the size of a skyscraper. Genetics write your limitations.
Bones have low plasticity. This is not the case of the brain.
There was a child born with less than a fraction of an actual brain. He is growing a brain now. >80% at current. Genetically impossible by all acounts. How can you claim to believe in jesus but not miracles?
>You need genes+luck to win at life.
No matter how many times you repeat the FUD, i have already dismissed it as illogical.
But i guess you can just consider me superior in genetics to you and the current favorite of lady fortuna.
>muh work ethic
More made up arguments i never made
>You'll never see someone with down syndrome compete with say the top engineer in their field.
So you define yourself as the tard and not the top engineer? Got it.
>https://youtu.be/7Ufn5bhn8Cc
>Christian apologist
>Zero proof
Ok semite.

>>55385099
No, we didn't. You're trying to save face. The reason I said "even if I were rich again, I'd still see the world as shit" is because you kept making your posts about me specifically, retard. FAIL
>Yes. I don't train my brain enough for maximum neuroplasticity.
No, nigger. We have genetic caps. It's why some people get things quickly and others don't. If you were raised along side with someone that has an IQ of 200, they'd out compete you every step of the way even if you both studied the same exact hours. The fucking fact that I even have to say this is just sad.
>Bones have low plasticity. This is not the case of the brain.
Read above for a BTFO
>There was a child born with less than a fraction of an actual brain. He is growing a brain now. >80% at current. Genetically impossible by all acounts. How can you claim to believe in jesus but not miracles?
Again, read above
>No matter how many times you repeat the FUD, i have already dismissed it as illogical.
you "dismissing it" doesn't change reality
>So you define yourself as the tard and not the top engineer? Got it.
Did I say that? No, nigger. Nice strawman though
>semite because facts hurt your feelings
Lol
You're emotional rather than rational

>>55385130
>No, we didn't. You're trying to save face.
Accusation in a mirror.
>We have genetic caps.
When is the genetic cap reached and how does environmental stimuli (education, tv etc.) play a role in it?
>Read above for a BTFO
You're only BTFO'ing yourself. I have increased my IQ since first testing.
>Again, read above
What i posted about the brainlet boy is proof you are wrong. Not proof in your favor. He is growing IQ points as we speak. Uninhibitd by his genetics at birth. The environment is stimulating brain growth and development.
>you "dismissing it" doesn't change reality
Your reality is only the tiny percentage you perceive. Mine is clearly the greater and more beneficial to an individual and their closest.
>Did I say that?
It was implied. Also not a strawman.
>You're emotional rather than rational
I am feeling contentment and joy but this does not detract from any rational point i make.

>>55385186
1. You got fucked and are trying to save face to not look illiterate
2. An any will never be the size of a moon. Their genomes don't have the genes to make them that big. Their size is in fact a genetic hard cap. It's the same for everything else such as brain power. You are LIMITED by your genes. It's also why performance varies per person. You'll never be able to compete with someone with say 200IQ points because they are simply superior than you. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. You can't brute force IQ, dumbass just as an ant can't brute force their intelligence to match that of a human. Genetic limitations.
3. You're an idiot
4. Read above
5. Read above
6. It wasn't implied and is in fact a strawman, you dumb bitch
7. The link I posted states objective facts. You're too emotional to accept those facts because it goes against your beliefs

>>55385230
>any
fuck. *ant

>>55385029
Death is the ultimate freedom, wouldn't you agree? You can go right now, OP. For the record: you're the one "aiming low". I'm aiming up. You're pathetic, and I pity you.

Before you inevitably eat a gun, I suggest watching this series of videos. Maybe you'll learn something:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w&list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat&index=1

>waaah waaah i don't want to watch a 2.5h video (and more!)

the gun's right there, man. your choice. i hope you choose life, but as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water...

>>55385230
>1. You got fucked and are trying to save face to not look illiterate
No matter how many numbers you post or how much you repeat something, it's still not true.
>2. An any will never be the size of a moon.
Hyperbole. Answer my question. When is the cap reached and how does environmental stimuli effect this cap?
>6. It wasn't implied
Everry post you've made is you justifying, through genetic memes, why you are inferior and unsuccessful and why you'll never be successful even while you aspire to be. It has been implied from the start that you are the housetard and not the successful cheftard.
>7. The link I posted states objective facts.
I'm sure it did. Jesus still isn't real. Neither is moses. Sargon is moses. The ten commandments are just Ma'at. Noah is a plagiarized Ziusudra. Horus is jesus. Set is temptation. 'The Word' belongs to the kings of egypt who held the 'Crook' and Flail to 'shepherd' the 'chosen people.' Ramses II died at 90 of arthritis, held with no slavery during his reign and built no pyramids.

>>55385285
>Death is the ultimate freedom, wouldn't you agree?
No, you're a fucking retard. Didn't read the rest just because of this low IQ take lol

>>55385307
I'm done with you. You got fucked and deny reality. Coping with the fact that genetic limitations are a thing too which shows you're stupid.

>>55385320
It's the only logical conclusion if you think you are genetically inferior and incapable of improving your circumstances.

>>55379876
>cries about injustice
>tells others to go back
Just shoot yourself already.

>>55385320
Just watch the video. Ignore the rest but at least watch that video, and hopefully the series of videos. I'm rooting for you, OP. I hope you turn your life around.

I'm telling you right now, the path you're going down is hell. You have free will, you can choose to go down it, but I hope you don't. If you're so desperate, what's wrong? Take a chance. It's a fucking video. It's a series of videos you could finish in a couple days, week at most, if you really wanted to. Honest, what have you got to lose? I'm just telling you right now, straight up, that the current path you're going down is that of the Columbine kids. You want to end up like that? Or do you want to overcome that, and thrive? Again, your choice.

Your choice.

>>55385331
>and incapable of improving your circumstances.
Looks like I have to repeat myself for the tard again.
Even
If
I
Was
Rich
Again
I
Would
Still
See
The
World
As
Shit
Fucking retard. How many times do I have to repeat that?

>>55385328
>I'm done being assblasted by you
FTFY
You answered zero questions that made you uncomfortable to think about just like the last anon. Resorted to namecalling and strawmen when your 'opponent' proved to powerful. Just coping and seething about your circumstances and your inability to change them.
>Bothered. Dehydrated. Unhappy. In your lane. Unfocused. Decaying.

>>55385366
I literally won this "argument". You're in denial about how genetics work lol. You're in denial about historical evidence. You also sugar coat and cherry pick instead of zooming out because you lack the mental capacity for that.
It's like imagine a fight with two people. One has no damage and the other is absolutely FUCKED. You're the latter, yet think you somehow "won", LOL

>>55377805
People have to do some work to keep society going but ultimately it's the system of capitalism that forces us to work as much as we do. The question is the feasibility of moving beyond it though.

Historically this hasn't had the best results, but, some work has to be done OP

>>55385362
No one cares that you won't change perspective anon. We moved past that many, many posts ago.
But you will never get rich again except through blind luck. And you will lose it through blind luck.
Even your God is provably not with you since God took away your wealth.
Probably sick of your attitude that doesn't change even when given you what you want.

>>55385362
>Even if I was rich again, I would still see the World as shit

You can leave this World at any time. You're honestly blessed that so many anons in this thread that don't even know you are trying so hard to help you. But you can leave right now if you wanted to. Right now. But with all your responses in this thread, it sounds like you have doubts, it sounds like you don't want to do that. Watch the videos, at a minimum. You're trying the patience of the kind strangers in this thread right now. You have 2 choices as far as I (and probably we all) can see: you either take our advice, or die. What do you want? It's your choice, ultimately. But those are the choices.

>>55385387
>No one cares that you won't change perspective anon.
Your 39 posts say otherwise lol

>>55385390
Dude, gtfo with your stupid "suicide is freedom" takes

>>55385408
It is tho

>>55385373
>You're in denial about how genetics work lol.
No i proved how genetics work contrary to your assumption that was based on a single article you probably didn't even read.
You got FUDed out of attempting to better yourself or your position anon. You now insist i take this FUDpill as reality.
>You're in denial about historical evidence.
Accusation in the mirror.
>You also sugar coat
I never once said the world was a decent place. Nor implied it. I have only questioned your decency.
>zooming out
Synonymous with losing focus. Stay distracted, less competition for your genetic superiors.(me)
I thought you were done? I guess you don't decide even that and are still a victim of circumstance.(me)

>>55385385
Capitalism is progress. I suggest you learn the history of slavery in the world. Basically everyone in the world was slaves, forever. I'm not talking about blacks, I'm talking about EVERYONE, around the world, was effectively slaves, for all of civilization and probably beyond. Capitalism is at least a repressed form of slavery, where we can "choose" how we enslave ourselves, and due to technology and our productivity, we "only" have to be "slaves" for 8 hours a day. Way better than it used to be. And with automation and AI, that will just get better over time (or the elite will wipe us all out, either way, don't have to go to work tomorrow).

Honestly just look at the way the world was before Capitalism. It's like night and day.

>>55385408
Okay, I'm done then. I've said my piece.

What's your plan, currently? You're rejecting everyone in this thread, so lets assume that continues, because you're so smart and know everything there is to know. What's your plan now? I'm serious.

>>55385415
>No i proved how genetics work contrary to your assumption that was based on a single article you probably didn't even read.
You stupid fucking 3rd worlder. You will never compete with the top of all humans because your genetics prevents that, you absolute fucking idiot
I can't believe how uneducated this retarded fuck is

>>55385425
>What's your plan, currently? You're rejecting everyone in this thread, so lets assume that continues, because you're so smart and know everything there is to know. What's your plan now? I'm serious.
Same plan as what got me rich the first time. Fyi that's not even the theme of the thread, stupid. It's about the word being ass. Not about me specifically. The world is in fact ass. It's not "perspective". It is objectively trash

>>55385425
We're still slaves you retard. Capitalism is diet slavery. Just because capitalism has been a progressive historical force doesn't mean it cannot be reminiscent of slavery. I've done more historical research than you have in your young age that's for sure and I know enough to know that the fetishization of capitalism with freedom is a recent development spread by cold war propoganda.

If capitalism is freedom then you have no reason that complain. But I'm not saying it's not freedom. I'm saying it's more and less free that the alternatives. You just sound like some one who loves bitching.

>>55384606
When you have to do a thing on somebody else's time and money, it starts becoming unenjoyable quickly. Not even just when you don't feel like it. Working for other people to make what they want you to eventually sucks the enjoyment out of anything you used to like.

>>55385442
Anon, any variation of having to feed and clothe and house yourself equates to "slavery" at some point.

>>55385406
Only half of them are for (you)
And you keep insisting this is the topic we are discussing. It is not. It changed to genetic limitations where i proved you wrong.
You then went through extreme cognitive dissonance and subsequent regret because you have wasted so much of your time believing a lie.
Your brain is more powerful than you imagine. Here's a poem since you reject all logic and reason on the topic.
>The brain is just the weight of God
>For heft them pound for pound
>And they will differ if they do
>As syllable from sound
>>55385434
>You stupid fucking 3rd worlder.
No u. I'm a first world boy and i'm climbing to the top quicker than you who is scared of the ladder.

>>55385439
Why is the world "ass"?

>>55385442
What is "freedom", in your view, and why are you entitled to it for, seemingly by your post, nothing?

>>55377805
Def NGMI wit dat tude bru

>>55377805
OP whines like a bitch slapped crack whore. Move back into Mom's basement and tell her to bring you some tendies.

>>55385471
>genetic limitations where i proved you wrong.
you didn't prove shit, you stupid fuck. All you have posted is cope and delusions about how "everyone's intelligence is the same and you can have infinite intelligence because a cap doesn't exist" clearly showing you're fucking retarded

>>55385480
Did already one time, lol. Can do it again. Not the theme of the post though.

>>55385524
>>55385532
Please watch the video series I linked, OP. It will help.

>>55385524
>everyone's intelligence is the same
>you can have infinite intelligence because a cap doesn't exist
That's easily disproved by your inabilty to quote those statements i never made.

>>55385547
No
>>55385599
Retard. You're saying genetic caps for your brain doesn't exist. You don't know jackshit about biology lol. I'm no biology expert, but holy shit, it's not a hard concept to grasp.

>>55385630
>You're saying genetic caps for your brain doesn't exist.
Quote exactly what i said.

>>55381191
My theory on death is that when we die we are reborn into the same life all over again, the only difference being that we have deja vu from our last 'attempts' to let us make subtle corrections. With this in mind, doesn't it make sense to make your life as good as you can so that when you relive it, you have a better experience? Just my perspective.

>>55385633
I'm not going through all of it, but here's one:
My post:
>Because genetics literally determines your cap, dumbass. You can't force your brain to handle high level things. You either have the IQ or you don't.
Your response:
>What is neuroplasticity? And post proof of people using 100% of their genetic brainpower.
Another response from yours:
>genetic potential limitations where i disproved your assumptions that genetics are the sole definer of your circumstance.
My response:
>You're actually stupid. Do you have an IQ of 200+? No. Why? By your logic, because you're lazy LMFAO. No, stupid. It's because your genes limit you, dipshit. It's why you'll never see an ant be the size of a skyscraper. Genetics write your limitations.
your response:
>Bones have low plasticity. This is not the case of the brain.
>Yes. I don't train my brain enough for maximum neuroplasticity.

Moral of the story, you don't comprehend how genetic influences a person's intelligence and how they vary. You can physically change your brain, but not enough to compete with the best of the best because limitations exist. For instance even if you try your hardest, you'll never be able to do stem, let alone compete with the top in a given field because you lack the genetic capacity for it.
"Trying hard" isn't enough to brute force your brain to change in a way that makes you capable of competing with the best. Yes, if you get the same person and have one live in a cave and have another solve problems throughout their lives, you can make the latter smarter, but that has its limits is my point. Most people for instance cap out pretty low. Not enough to handle hard skills. You're probably one of them going by how hard it is for you to grasp basic shit

>>55385687
Nothing you quoted implies what you accused me of stating.
>Moral of the story, you don't comprehend how environment influences a person's genetics and how they vary. You can physically change your brain enough to compete with the best of the best because limitations are physical never reached even among the best. For instance if you try daily, you'll be able to do stem, compete with the top in a given field because you have the genetic capacity for it.
>"Trying hard" is enough to brute force your brain to change in a way that makes you capable of competing with the best. Yes, if you get the same person and have one live in a cave and have another solve problems throughout their lives, you can make the latter smarter, that is my point. Most people for instance cap out pretty low. Not enough environmental stimuli. You're probably one of them going by how hard it is for you to grasp basic shit
FTFY
Now I'M done with you. Eternal brainlet and hopecel.

Truly, the ONLY way to grasp this planet's worth is to establish a very strong connection with nature. To walk for a day deep amongst nature and see only nature, no other humans or any human-made filth. Only then will you feel a true, meaningful connection to this planet. Absolutely EVERYTHING man-made is extravagantly meaningless and valueless and pollutes the soul. Think about all these extremely superfluous human creations that exist... it's laughable, a joke! Their creation and sole existence is beyond primitive yet they're seen as having value in today's world. You have to disconnect from this hellish, material world humans have created, at least for a day, to experience true worth on this planet.

Fiat is the problem. Bitcoin solves money.

You can't sell corn for less than it costs to produce, unless you pay people to grow corn. This is a supply-side subsidy, as opposed to a demand-side subsidy, i. e. paying people to buy a given thing. Social spending acts as a supply-side subsidy for labor, if a worker needs $1k/m to exist they CAN'T sell their labor for less than $1k/m, but what happens if we give them food stamps, subsided housing, Medicare etc etc etc? Well now they can sell their labor for less than it costs to produce! And "best" of all, we pay for these subsidies via debasement! Both suppressing wages and pumping oligarchs asset bags in one go! Look at the 10,000 years of lockstep wage/productivity growth before fake money. "Gee gosh wilikers it's a mystery why wages have diverged from productivity!" He says while while pumping trillions of counterfeit dollars into supply side labor subsidizes. Oligarchs benefit, no one else, certainly not the workers.

>>55377805
Just use an AI cheat code. Like blackswan

>>55385649
>My theory on death is that when we die we are reborn into the same life all over again
I used to dabble on this as well, but imagine being born in africa, being beated and neglected by your parents and dying as a three year old of starvation, that's a sad reality to repeat and repeat for eternity , don't you think?

Hmm, no one challenged my observation that the same people who tell others to take responsibilty and believing you're a victim makes you a woman or weak spend all day going on about jeets did this too me, it's because of (((them))) or, it's the fault or affirmative action I didn't get the job. The only difference is the micro (the individual) vs. the macro.
>>55385450
Yes, I've seen people quit over having to compromise or having to change something to the point it doesn't look like they want. So, that's very true. Then you think about the animator working in the field vs. the guy who went to school and dedicated all their time to it, but couldn't break into the industry and now works in retail. But that doesn't make the other person's frustration and discontentment invalid.

>>55385712
It does, retard. I'm not going to dumb it down further

>>55377805
Keep seeing that way it will be

Worst part is about working. Mental stress for living your life under someones thumb is the same no matter what.

You don't want to work? Ok start a business and find out it's 30% more defeating. And only rewarding when you seem to have made big strides.

Problem isn't the position or even the people. It's you never choosing to accept where you are and what exact steps you need to change it. You're fighting yourself.

Daily wagie hate post
Today I overheard 2 niggers argue with a co worker about it being illegal to charge money for a reusable bag. I gestured to my co worker to just give them a bag for free but I knew that was absolute bullshit
Turns out I googled it and every instance of it being illegal is in India. Why are niggers so retarded? Do they just ignore links coming from "hindunews" or "times of India" or even "the supreme court of india" and go full blown ape and assume every headline is american?

>>55385649
Not the worst theory. Even if you're wrong, if you followed it, at least this YOLO life would be good (as good as you could make it, at least).

Jordan Peterson's Biblical Series is great too, though. Gives you a great understanding of the true nature of reality and the human condition. You must bear your cross like Jesus did. This isn't mystical bullshit bible literalism garbage, it's psychology and evolutionary biology. The biblical stories are all metaphorical and symbolic, and he describes what they mean, and once you understand that, everything will make sense to you. It's sort of along the lines of humans living for thousands of years telling you what it's like to be a human and how to live a good life considering the circumstances. Thousands of years of ancestral knowledge are probably better than OP's clearly teen angst of 12 years or so. Maybe when his balls drop he'll figure it out, idk.

>>55385843
I can't imagine it being something that repeats if you can't change anything, situations like that I'm sure god would make an exception for lol

>>55385808
Shhhhhhh...

>>55386166
Na, pretty sure it's the people lmao. I've never hated the jobs themselves. Just people in leadership positions since I always clash with them

Accept Jesus

>>55377805
It's funny, earth is basically a hell for introverts who are too midwit to create their own job through entrepreneurship or self employment.

Normies (extroverts) enjoy the stupid office drama, in fact they thrive on it. they will tell you otherwise but they live for that shit.

Intelligent people can find a way to work for themselves and make money without having to interact with other people if they don't want to. for example, i only interact with people through email and slack messages and make $100 an hour

Retards like you are trapped in a hell where you have to pretend to be even dumber than you actually are or your "coworkers" will turn on you, and you have to put up with their retarded dumbass normie antics like masks, vaccines, and caring about faggot and minority rights. basically, you are fucked. maybe try nootropics

>>55380520
>There is friendship, love, pursuit of knowledge and good keks to have in this world
Only if you are Chad, Stacy, or Tyrone. Everyone else it's a miserable hell

>>55387016
Yes, God is a bitch for this, but next bull I'll get rich again. My biggest issue was greed.

>>55387016
also don't pretend you are not the same. You look retarded trying to pretend life isn't hell for you and I doubt you're smart enough to have a successful business. So what, you're a normie?

>>55380520
kys

>>55385462
Not really. Slavery involves living off the surplus labor of others while doing none to little of your own. What I do to manage my own affairs is basic survival

>>55377805
Coding is pretty comfy. I work a week in a year, put it on the internet, write a bot to handle taxes. Coast for the rest of the year. Do recommend. Only negative is that you have to be both good at coding and creating software products people want to buy.

>>55385450
Men are born free. Simple as. Freedom being the ability to do as you wish. Impending on the freedom of others is slavery. Thus capitalism grants freedom only to those who have capital or own. It's freedom for the monied.

>>55388616
>>55388625
>Slavery involves living off the surplus labor of others while doing none to little of your own
Quibbling. And nonsensical. Aren't you antiwork types the same ones who claim serfs barely worked at all in the middle ages?

>>55388688
Do you need to paint me as "anti work" in order to justify supporting slavery to yourself? I work in a papermill and I guarantee I work harder than you ever will.

>>55387016
Isn't being self-employed even more heavily taxed? Normies do not thrive they just suffer the same but more distracted because they usually have higher sensor than intuitive population. The intuitive will always focus on what things could be, rather than the way they are

>>55379651
It is not necessarily your fault, but it is always your responsibility.

>>55390581
You are much wiser than you think.

>>55380999
Death is the end. Has to be.