/biz/ - Business & Finance

the truth is... there is no next run
there is no second horde of normies who are gonna buy your bags
just look at all the fags on twitter proudly declaring these dumb predictions. this is the sign of a dead market of scams and nonsense.

>>55314704
Crypto is dead why aren't you buying Boomer stocks right now when the mother of all bull runs is just starting?

>>55314773
I have a boomer index fund and i let it do its own thing automatically.


Crypto is where I manually do stuff.

>>55314735
It’s losers with Doomer mentality like this buck broken retard. It’s a common archetype amongst 4chan Incels. On /Pol/ it’s millions must die and the collapse is coming anyway now, on /x/ it’s if you do anything spiritual or attempt to explore the supernatural demons will rape you and on /biz/ it’s everything is going to 0 and no one will make it anywhere ever. Once you realize it’s 80% porn addicted incel losers projecting their negative world view it becomes clear that taking advice from most people on this site isn’t smart. But if you learn to read between the lines you can find nuggets of gold and some good laughs from time to time.

>>55314789
You lost, chud. Crypto is a scam, you delusional retards thought you could take a crack at fleecing retards, news flash YOU are the retard poorfag goyim and you tried to fleece other poorfag goyim, you're not only worse than those at the top for turning on your fellow poorfag and thinking you're "superior" but you tried to step out of your role and think you could have a shot at being "elite" you are absolutely nothing and you are worth nothing. Normies hate you faggots, elites really hate you faggots so do the world a favor and hang yourself useless cryptocuck.

>>55314813
Id really love to see what you look like, post a picture of yourself. I want to see the phenotype of someone would who post this kind of shit.

>>55314790
yeah ok bro
keep accoooomulating BTC and ETH
smart people have already moved on

>>55314823
Le happy merchant

>>55314704
not profitable enough i guess
maybe it's just a TA thing idk

>>55314704
Because they're greedy and they want you to sell so they can buy cheaply. It's always been like this on biz, but lately it's been a lot more Jewish. Ever since Wall Street and the US gov got involved, things have gotten A LOT more Jewish

>>55315013
>I am so smart
>everyone else is so heccin dumb

Another archetype of the 4chan basement dwelling incel neck beard, a false sense of superior intelligence. Screen capping your post I will laugh about this in a year and a half.

>>55315901
>im doing what everyone else is doing
>this is a great way to make money
lol

>>55314735
Seriously what do these copium fueled faggots here think is gonna happen? That Matt Damon is just gonna do another crypto ad in a few years and another even bigger stadium will be sponsored? There are no bull and bear cycles. Crypto has gone as mainstream as it could once and it crashed and burned.

>>55316187
i don't know
a lot of them seem to think we're just gonna moon one day in 2024 because of muh btc halvening
it's beyond stupid, i guarantee these people don't even understand that each subsequent btc halvening matters FAR LESS than the previous one. eventually they will be so irrelevant nobody will bother to mention when they happen.
some of them think the banks are accooomulating but if you look into that more, it's something so insignificant like JP Morgan buying $8 million dollars of crypto for an ETF fund. this is fractions of pennies to them.
honestly, i have yet to see any BTC maxi these days who isn't a total retard newfag
and no, ETH isn't any better

>>55316325
I don't think that you understand that a lot of us who have been buying BTC and ETh since 2016 or before, myself included, only need to double our money like one more time and then we're really done, for real this time, and we're out.

BTC going to 50k sometime between now and January 1, 2025 is the single best bet I'm aware of for that to happen. That's what we're doing here.

>>55314704
>LINK has to goto $0,
If Chainlink were to win the war and the Great Reset were to proceed as planned then humanity would sink into a dark and dull state for the next 10,000 years.

DO NOT LET THE LINKIES HAVE THE LAST LAUGH. SHORT! CHAINLINK WHEN THE TIME COMES.

Be ready anon.

>>55316382
well, it's good to see you admit that this shit has a 2x at best left in it
that's progress

>>55314704
all wrong. btc does have to set a double bottom at 15.5k though

>>55314704
Truth is shitcoins need to lose a lot of popularity and the market needs to take itself seriously at some point because that's how all markets mature. There is a lot of disagreement on specifics but it's safe to assume there is no long term future for literal meme coins with zero utility.

People like to lump in ETH and LINK with other shitcoins because they either know nothing or are making an inside joke.

>>55314790

lol this board is just the finance rendition of pol. Completely saturated with incels and misanthropes. I already quit visiting pol after those fucking losers started posting threads about animal torture. Getting tired of this board too. 90% of these retards will be dead within 5 years because they're all fucking worthless with only one ambition: to subsidize their worthless existence with crypto. I'm cozy with my bags and have no problem waiting until 2025 for the bull to ramp up.

>>55314704
>Are we all supposed to lose everything and then miss out on the next run? Is that how it works? I dont get it.
yes. the market is a pyramid scheme. its on the dollar. when the marks dry up then so does the ponzi bull market. you must be tortured until you relent your bag. then you will buy again, for a higher price, inefficiently.

>>55316439
>ETH and LINK
Are you implying these two have an actual future?

>>55316467
the boomer market is easier, because they always have fresh wageslaves donating their paychecks to the market for their retirement. so the ponzi scheme can keep pumping for a long time totally unaffected by the performance of the underlying business

>>55316409
I've never said otherwise. But I don't see any other investment opportunity that matches my needs as well as this.

There is no stock as likely to 2x with as little risk of losing my entire life savings in just 2 years as Bitcoin. And other investments are most illiquid.
So I will wait until early 2025 and either cash out my millions into a nice index fund or admit I was wrong and cash out whatever is left. A 2x from where I am now would be plenty to achieve that for me.

>>55314704
>Why do these things have to happen for the next run to start?
To purge normoids. Protip: crypto is a ponzi and bull runs are orchestrated by whales. Can't set off a bull run to a new ATH when there are untold millions of normalfaggots diamond handing bags waiting to dump at their 60k-30k entry. They bust be buck broken and made to sell at the bottom. They need to be made to delete goybase and go away. One a normoid FOMOs in and pumps our bags it needs to be forced out of crypto for the cycle to end. If they never capitulate then the cycle never ends and we get the golden crab run.

>>55314704
>Are we all supposed to lose everything and then miss out on the next run?
If you hold e.g. BTC with no intent to sell and it goes down to $10K, you haven't lost anything. You temporarily can't sell, which is the same as if, say, the market closed. Indeed the market is closing, as exchanges are imploding. Trading thus cannot happen, since where would it, if Binance is gone? The price thus bifurcates: whoever wants to sell wants to sell desperate, and thus sells to whomever he can, maybe even at $10K. But conversely, whoever wants to buy also wants to buy desperately, and he'll, too, buy it any price once he finds a seller. What actually happens is that the spreads widen (though most people can't imagine a spread as wide as, say, $10K-$200K. Their brains can't process that that's a spread at all, being so large) - which IS what occurs during conditions of illiquidity, themselves caused by the shutdown of trading venues, as the SEC is currently attempting to do.
But let's suppose that the aforementioned spread materializes, and two trades to happen: one for the $200K/BTC and one for the $10K/BTC. The guy who bought for $200K is not going to disclose that, he doesn't want to embarrass himself. Likewise, the guy who bought for $10K also won't write an article about the "amazing deal", he'll, at most, have gritted his teeth and kept quiet (despite it having been, by his own standards, as evidenced by the fact that he bought when the price was only $10K, a "great deal"). The guy who sold for $200K will also keep his mouth shut. This leaves the guy who sold for $10K out of these four, and he'll write angrily/despondently about "the price being done" - as he naturally would, he was forced to sell cheaply.
So it's not that "we have to lose everything for the bullrun to start", it's that we are suffering from illiquidity due to governments as well as the exchanges' own foolishness killing it off. And the government wants to take over liquidity for itself.

>>55316576
To make the last part a bit more precise: it is the incentive of large players to control the market (run the exchanges). To do this, they, if they have power, try to kill pre-existing exchanges with a more or less perfunctory excuse ("money laundering"), or via inducing FUD (I don't mean what we colloquially mean by "FUD", but sowing actual fear, uncertainty, and doubt, as you see all around you). If the existing exchanges die or get taken over as a result, they can institute control, possibly by launching their own (to "save people", naturally; "this is for your benefit"). Once they do have control over the market, they can parasitize upon liquidity by either grifting off of it monetarily (though it's not as if the original exchanges hadn't done that; that is the business model, but they at least were incentivized by market forces to minimize their profit from trading fees), or by exerting violent control in the form of arbitrarily shutdowns and exclusions from the market.
This type of action reduces, and is aimed at reducing, liquidity, but from your perspective as a market participant, because spreads widen to inconceivable levels due to illiquidity, experience this as "the price going down". So in a sense, "we do have to lose everything for the next bull run", and it's not a wholly incorrect but fundamentally incomplete inference.

>>55316658
>>55316576
Good analysis, anon

The next run can't start. All of the whales have their bots programmed to dump at 26000-26100. That is the price that your owners have decided you will trade Bitcoin at.

>>55317001
yup
i dont know if it's exactly 26000, but they absolutely have a ceiling btc will not go over

>>55316439
But why this uncertainty over ETH? It's becoming scary as the day goes by.

>>55314704
Keeping it simple is the way to go! If the crypto market keeps on dumping, I'll just find a way to add more of my fave tokens: Lit, MNI, HBAR, LEND, and IOTX. No need to complicate things or get into arguments. It's all about making moves that align with your strategy and preferences anon.

>>55317145
ETH needs to dump a lot too, don't be fooled by eth maxis

>>55314773
Crypto market is literally front running the stock market. Look at the BTC chart from a year ago, it looks exactly like the top stock charts APPL, MSFT, etc. today. Get ready for a huge dump.

>>55317145
I keep preaching to the faggots against ETH migration to POS but they won't listen. I'm pushing positively towards quantum resistant blockchain with a fixed transfer fees, POR mechanism, private blockchain planned in H1 and mainnet set to be live on H2.

>>55316658
Bingo
Crypto is 100% a liquidity trap. US actively attacking crypto liquidity through multiple avenues, price will bleed lower esp on alts. Once they back off on the FUD the pressure is removed and the true bottom will be set like a spring that has been pressed down tightly.

>>55317280
Only when the moves are liquidity driven. If liquidity is neutral then the best stocks can continue up based on earnings growth alone

>>55314704
Crypto hasn't had a bull run since 2017. It went up in 2021, but that was a part of the everything bubble when every asset mooned. Crypto underperformed in 2021.

For crypto to have another bull run, we need to see it do something new like it did in 2017 with Ethereum.

Maybe cross chain dapps and interoperability with banks will allow for that. As it stands, crypto's only use case is sending tokens around in a horribly inefficient and confusing way.

Blockchain as a technology is being adopted, but not in a way that makes your tokens valuable.

>>55317438
best post itt
the last altseason happened in 2017 and early 2018, this last bullrun was a fucking parody

>>55317438
so true

>>55314704
The only way there will be another speculative bubble like there was in 2021 will be if inflation gets under control and people have money to waste on stupid shit again. Right now people are not spending money because they are worried about being able to afford to eat and live. If the cost of living goes down somehow and people have extra money to spend then maybe they will invest it into crypto again. That might happen if the Ukraine war ends or we get new political leadership. It's hard to say.

>>55317553
to add to this, there's always the very real possibility of the slavic conflict escalating to a full blown total war, and it might not even start from Ukraine either, there's also Kosovo, Taiwan, etc

>>55317280
I don't believe that especially with the feds cracking down on brokers

>>55316382
>one more time and then we're really done, for real this time, and we're out.

>>55317578
ugh don't get me started on Kosovo

>>55316524
>admit I was wrong and cash out whatever is left

>hatever is left.

>>55314773
Crypto is dead but smart fags are getting horny over it, as one of the payment gateway comes with staking possibility racking up about 20% APR.

>>55317438
>Crypto hasn't had a bull run since 2017. It went up in 2021, but that was a part of the everything bubble when every asset mooned.

I actually agree with this. I was there in 2017. It def didn't feel the same. 2021 everything went up in value, literally everything.

>>55316478
ETH has anything but future. ETH 2.0 was a big failure.

>All the nufaggot know-nothing opinions ITT
>expressed in the tone of what a nufaggot believes a world-weary oldfag would sound like
Why do I even come to this website?

>>55314735
>there is no next run because twitter faggots or something
I could imagine the very slight possibility that there won’t be another run but your reasoning is fucking retarded. You’re a retard desu

>phoneposting
>low quality condescending shitpost
>passive aggresive tone
>thinks he's morally superior by remaining neutral
hang yourself

>>55314704
Pajeet, It's damn never gonna get there. On the other hand, will be a sweet pussy experience stacking more in my Ride and Gafi bag. That will be some fuckin cheapest price ever.

>>55318100
Here I saved the image on my desktop pc and posted it again. Do you feel better now?

I wasn't referring to the OP

>>55318063
>emotional
you will not make it

>this is just like 2018
I'm just gonna leave this here

>>55318997
kek

>>55314704
So smarter people than you decide to buy into the market.

>>55314704
You've got it all wrong Anon, market runs in fuckin circles and this is the bear season where solid projects take advantage to develop, like the motorverse concept bringing an immersive metaverse experience into our regular road trip.

>>55314704
/biz/ is unironically full of retards who are always wrong. So do the opposite of what they say.

>>55317379
>POR
>proof of retardation
what did he mean by that?

>>55314813
>You lost, chud. Crypto is a scam, you delusional retards thought you could take a crack at fleecing retards, news flash YOU are the retard poorfag goyim and you tried to fleece other poorfag goyim, you're not only worse than those at the top for turning on your fellow poorfag and thinking you're "superior" but you tried to step out of your role and think you could have a shot at being "elite" you are absolutely nothing and you are worth nothing. Normies hate you faggots, elites really hate you faggots so do the world a favor and hang yourself useless cryptocuck.

>>55314813
copy and pasted. thanks chudlet

>>55314735
>second

holy newfag

>>55314704
They just dumb people who want the prices to keep falling so they can keep accumulating low. DCA now, or buy at ATH.

>>55320360
I am happy oldfags held the bottom strong. Only newbies dump at the bottom. Yeah, it's buying time and ETH will take the highest share followed by NXRA and CTSI.

>>55314735
>second bullrun
retard

>>55314704
Just HODL

>>55314704
we dont have to but we will. macro economy retard. If you by now don't understand that there will be a massive stock market crash loike in 1929 theres no hope for you. and no a crash like that wouldn't be good for crypto you absolute drooling subhuman retards. People only use discretionary spending on crypto. during a crisis crypto is the last thing on their mind you dumbass spergs

>>55314704
Only coping faggots say that. Yes, BTC will definitely go to $10k but that doesn't prove that point specifically.

>>55314704
Let me explain, bitcoin isn't going to break under 14k again, the elites are gathering it up to later dump once retirement funds hit the market, blackrock and central banks before that starting 2024- 2025 for blackrock and 2025 for central banks. Alts are going to get hit, bnb is essentially fucked in the usa. Now link I don't know or give a rats ass personally, best that shit is worth is $60 says the a.i. which I'll include for entertainment. Anyway focus on either bitcoin, alts that are not getting the security treatment within the next nine months, or take risk on alts that can win the securities argument. P.S. don't touch XYO the retards literally put on their website how much the token went up, that one is getting nuked.

>>55319106
hell yh. DCA on blue chips like ETH and XMR and low caps ORE, HBAR, COTI

>>55322874
Buttcorn will go below 1K screencap this. US government depises crypto. They'll pretty much tell wall street to fuck crypto deep and hard get ready to be liberated by the JEWSA. HAIL GARY GENSLER YEAH BABY WOOHOO GET FUCKED GOYIMS

>>55314773
I'm just laughing at all those selling with the bull run about to start

>>55323162
They will fomo back when they start seeing greens everywhere. The fud revealed the bottom and I loaded more ETH, BNB, and SPOOL.

>>55323162
Still DCAing, and adding to my bags of MATIC, ROSE and ORE, and I'm gonna retire by the next bull run.

>>55315013
Fag, I'm accumulating KREST. I'll be getting a Peaq airdrop, which is like slaying two birds with one stone.

>>55321705
>Just HODL
low cap gems with solid utilities like sylo will be good to hodl.
a fully decentralized, incentivised communication and data exchange platform, that allows holders run a Node.
price is low now.... so its good.

>>55323611
I saw this on Fundrs during fundraising but I went for Galileo LEUX instead

>>55315013
Smart people out there are stacking up on bluechips like RIO, AGIX, and UTK as we speak. Forget about those lame big caps if you wanna make bank. It's all about riding the hype train with trending narratives like AI and Crypto payment because that's were the gains are.

>>55314735
The same normies who pumped bags last run will pump bags this run. There's 3 kinds of people in this world, those who learn from others mistakes, those who learn from their own mistakes, and those who don't learn at all. The majority is the third.

>>55314704
because blackrock is trying to fork all of crypto into
a) their official and US gov approved "central bank digital currency" ala CBDC (essentially wrapped bitcoin)
b) illegal securities held by domestic and foreign financial terrorists (white people)
when they say "the next bull run" they specifically are referring to their cbdc mooning but for that to happen they need
a) normies to be violently anti-crypto so they can make them buy their cbdc bags and fleece them as usual
b) crypto holders to give up and either sell their coins for fiat (and pay taxes to skim off as much as possible) or later exchange their btc for cbdc
both of which will make cbdc moon and start a new meme bull run.
a "natural" crypto bull run will not be allowed anymore which is why government backed institutions like blackrock are shorting all your alt coin holdings into the ground via infinite amounts of printed dollars. it's to make you give up and sell or kill yourself.
remember: if you hold crypto (You) are the enemy #1 of the US and Israel and the gov, feds and jews want you dead.

>>55320360
For sure, dca is a nice strategy, if you try timing the market you’re bound to lose every time.
just threw a shit ton into Ride an hour ago to increase my staking reward on X exchange, this will help me to hold until I see the number I want.

>>55314735
>there is no second horde of normies who are gonna buy your bags
i don't think you understand. Dollars, Euros, any kind of fiat are "the bags"

>>55315211
I've noticed the same thing, bruv. That's why I'm stacking up on a bunch of low-cap gems to ride the wave. Tokenmetrics is a fucking lifesaver, predicting the perfect buy and sell zones. We gotta be ready for the bulls' epic comeback to stay ahead of the game, yk.

>>55325531
sure, and they present crypto to you to get you to buy an equally worthless bag instead of something valuable

>>55314790
>you are never completely useless
>you can always be used as a bad example

Think of money as cocaine and the (((market))) as the addict that uses it. Each high needs to be higher and each low needs to be hopelessly lower, to the point where everyone feels true despair. At some point though, once things have gone ridiculously high, people refuse to feel the despair during the normal lows and the desire to maximize gains will make them tip the game so low that everything comes crashing down in cinders

>>55317407
You mean it will pump off the bottom?

>>55315013
Damn straight, bro! You're speaking my language. I'm stacking up on BTC, ETH, ATOM, and just recently hopped on the RIDE train after that sick token burn. I'm just gonna buckle up and see what the next cycle has in store for us, it'll be one hell of a mad ass spike!

>>55314704
All those speculations are blatant lies. Crypto is here to stay and the next run will start without crashing first, but since we're in bearmarket you can play safe by staying in stablecoins and even earn yield from them through Aave, SpoolFi, Idle etc while watching the market. It's gems discovery season.

>>55325891
they present scams. but bitcoin is the one, sadly its easy to fool plebs. so they buy shitcoins.