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Bitcoin was only ever going to succeed as an enabler of illegal activity. All the libertarian technodork ideology was just a smokescreen.

CZ and his shitcoin casino is to blame. ETH too.

>>55260368
How else were you going to make profits from it? There were only two paths, the way it went and Bitcoin never taking off

>>55260429
Bullshit,
ANYTHING can enable illegal activity, you wouldn't condemn the dollar because it can be used to do illegal things with right?
You have shit logic
>>55260441
No, this is OUR fault. CZ wouldn't have even been a thing had you lazy greedy fuck heads not centralized crypto and used CEX
DEXs were and still are available but you lazy bitches would rather NOT learn the tech and try and "get rich".
fuck u

>>55260461
That's the fucking point u stupid shit
crypto was NEVER about "making profits" it was about
- removing 3rd parties
- returning financial self autonomy to the average citizen
you're another one who is showing they're the cause for the issues in crypto now
"ooohh bro, how we profit"
stupid greedy fuck

>>55260368
normies ruin everything

No. It's the fault of tech bruh grifters. And they can go use the money they stole from gullible idiots to fight with the sec for the next 10 years. While being delisted from every American exchange.

>>55260514
the funny thing is, there is people who don't consider themselves normies because they come on 4chan, slang racial slurs around and think they're "in the know" but they're the biggest normies of them all and its not normies who fucked up crypto, it's people who come to sites like this who fucked up crypto.
Normies and Non-Normies = the same thing, except the latter are so heads-in-their-own-asses, they don't smell the bullshit.

>>55260526
>No. It's the fault of tech bruh grifters
No, BRUH it isn't
the fault is OURs.
Again, 90% of YOU Fucks reading this have NEVER read a whitepaper let alone Bitcoin's whitepaper, for it you had you'd not reply the way you are.
You greedy fucks did this, no "tech bruh grifters" (whatever the fuck that stupid term even means).
fight with the sec for 10 years?
get the fuck off your smug horse, you're not even thinking clearly.

>>55260482
How would it be used for payments if it has no value behind it? Doesn't even make sense

>>55260473
>ANYTHING can enable illegal activity, you wouldn't condemn the dollar because it can be used to do illegal things with right?

This is such a smoothbrained argument. Yes you can do crime with fiat money but there's also a bajillion perfectly legal things you can do with it too. It's not like with Bitcoin where 95% of transactions made are for illegal drugs, weapons, human trafficking, money laundering, tax evasion, sanctions evasion, etc. because no legit business in their right mind wants to support such a clunky, slow, volatile, and ultimately pointless payment system. Get a grip.

>>55260482
yes, but, user interface.
There's a reason linux never caught on with retail. Till crypto is operating in the background and people use it like a website on web3, only having to worry about connecting a wallet, we still have some time before you're pristine vision of the future comes to fruition.

>>55260549
No. Btc is safe. Tech bruh grifters are the ones that fucked themselves and their gullible investors and thats a good thing
May you all die under a bridge

>>55260559
Conflation of me saying crypto isn't for profits with not being able to attribute value to it = low iq shit post response,
get smarter, then come back bitch
>>55260560
I love how you're so dense you don't realize how contradictive your reply is to your stupid ass response.
>>55260565
What in the 7 hells and fucks are you even talking about?
Linux has nothing to do with the topic at hand, GREED, fuck off with trying to argue points that have to plot in this graph.

>>55260368
>>Enjoy your good memories of making "stoopid phat gains" and your lambo dreams, they will NEVER be anything other than that, Dreams.
but i cashed out in 2021

>>55260582
>No. Btc is safe.
I'm not even reading shit else beyond this stupid ass introduction to your low IQ dribble.
BTC safe? LMAO!

>>55260584
If there's demand for it the value will go up therefore profits. If there's no demand it doesn't take off

>>55260582
>Btc is safe.

hehehe

>>55260598
yea?
lol you really think that's all it takes huh?
again, this is greedy talk.
Crypto was NEVER about making people rich as it was stopping third parties (banking institutions, financial institution, credit institutions, etc.) from taking our money and becoming wealthy.
but I see now, I'm talking to a bunch of people focused on "making it bruh!" and not fixing the issues.
Satoshi casted pearls before us, and like typical swine we consumed it shat it out and wallowing in our own smug filth.

>>55260627
If that's what Satoshi wanted it to be he should've added $1 trillion in liquidity to it so it could never pump more than a couple % points. There you go fixed the problem

>>55260627
>Crypto was NEVER about
who defines what crypto is about ?
you ? satoshi ?

>>55260368
buttcoin was a half baked idea
privacy is paramount

>>55260661
smfh, you obviously are both too stupid to grasp the meaning behind blockchain and too greedy to realize that's not how shit works. enjoy your bags
>>55260665
>who defines what crypto is about ?
Uh maybe the motherfucker who got digital money to work, aka satoshi. and you questioning this makes me believe you know nothing of the history of "e-money" and how blockchain tech helped solved a 'puzzle' thats been in the works since the 80's.
again, majority of you "crypto boys" are stupid shit head, edgy faggots who know nothing about crypto but always yelling "sick gains broooo"

>>55260676
Nigga Please!
you think privacy is even a real thing anymore?
you're fucking tapped if you think Monero is the solution,
(psssffttt, Who is going to accept Monero? Amazon? Google? your local grocery store? No??? oh then, fuck off)

>>55260688
And I guess you're too stupid to realise how markets work

>>55260701
does amazon google grocery store accept buttcoin and it's 1+ hour transaction time?

You know,
most of you replied so far are like them loney heart bitches you see on dating shows and tv.
You're not seeking love(freedom) you're in love with the idea of love(freedom).
---
that dickhead says Monero as if that's even going to be accepted by anyone other than vpn companies (because they know their market).
You cunts are in love with the idea of being free, but you cunts don't truly seek freedom.
you willingly put your money into the hands of the those who have more than enough.
fucking dumb cunts.

>>55260720
ohhhh shit, nice comeback,
faggot
>>55260732
You do realize you're arguing apples and oranges right?
but I doubt it, you're stupidly arguing about which crypto is accepted lol. nice pivoting bitch

>>55260627
>fixing the issues.
Preach. But how to fix? Distributed dex?

>>55260830
As long as there are tech bruh grifters behind the tech, that emit tokens and expect to be paid, you are fucked
Is anybody going to develop beyond grifting, I don't think so.
For 14 years your kind is only interested in one thing only, scamming for fiat and you need to kys

>>55260368
Indeed. It's not real crypto if the SEC can shut it down with a lawsuit. The whole point of crypto is freedom from the government interference.

>>55260881
The core issue is very simple
Tech bruh grifter wants cash to develop a network
creates token with premine or out of thin air like the meth scammers and other "smart"con grifters and sells them to fools
Each and everyone of those is attackable by Gary and cant survive in the long term

Only Satoshi did it right, and one altcoin, forgotten somewhere in the top 1000

>>55260881
Why won't the fucking SEC work in hand with the US to bring a clear regulation?
Who told them these companies are not ready to comply?
We have good stuff to fucking handle that. We have NexeraID and Polygon ID.

>>55260368
>we
It was glowies from the start and big money owns all the btc.
If you weren't out before $5 having realized this then you are the greedy retarded one.

>>55260830
I am by no means an economic expert, but if my reading of the bitcoin technical paper is accurate and clear then the purpose behind crypto was never to make it what it is today;
a festering putrid black hole which at its core sits CEXs, Fiat Billion dollar companies leveraging into crypto to make them even more filthy fucking rich and not only that but corrupting what little positive potential modern crypto ever had and the like, at a singularity of greed so great in weight that it has spawned an accretion disk of other scumbags such as Crypto influencers, Scammers, etc. etc. to the point the very class structure of America is on the edge of changing in a negative way

Modern Crypto, which is a byproduct of the Blockchain, was meant to give You and Me a fair shake at not wealth but the ability to be financially comfortable without even upsetting the status quo. This, again - IF I'm understanding it correctly, was to be neo-bartering. the fix is in the whitepaper and the philosophy provided by Satoshi.

People keep viewing this as a "get rich" 'thing' and it isn't. logically, that doesn't even compute. You can't make everyone rich or wealthy, because everyone becomes poors (money has no value if everyone has it and a lot).

tl;dr - stop being greedy, use crypto as a barter, leave CEXs the fuck alone!

>>55260926
It shows that you are an idiot and need to stop writing and distributing your brain rot. SHUT UP clay person

>>55260565
>There's a reason linux never caught on with retail.
It eventually did "catch on" via the mobile revolution. You can't force adoption or take shortcuts. Greedy asshole VCs tried to hijack crypto with the promise of "massive gainz" and they now rightfully getting bitchslapped by the SEC.

>>55260881
Yeah better to entrust your digital Monopoly money to a handful of software devs and a highly concentrated elite of miners and whales. Very democratic, much decentralized.

>>55260941
not just vc. From the small pajeet emitting token on a smartCON chain promising to make marketing to the big fish like the meth foundation selling tokens to investors promising implicit to develop their network for others getting a roi

There is no solution as long as greed exists among tech bruh grifters. And greed is what is the main attribute of a grifter. So no solution

>>55260958
Any business endeavor that depends on the blessings of government regulators cannot be expected to persist in its present form indefinitely. Only truly decentralized protocols can survive intact in the long run.

>>55260926
Sounds like you should be in XRP and XLM as they are free and fast, have their own wallets, and are practical even for small payments between peers.

>>55260902
You're missing the point but highlighting what I mean by the focus of modern crypto being devoid of any of its intended purposes and only focused on making money.
I may be about to rub folks wrong but I've fought for my country, 2 tours and 8 years. I learned more about my political system than terrorists and war. its all about a fucking dollar, and it hit me that we pay exorbitant amounts of money for services that don't need to be that expensive.
I still don't understand wtf a "tech bruh grifter" is, but to me, its a sin to have a gift or skill and paywall the world in order to get access,use or benefit from it.
but I digress.
>>55260910
again, Satoshi said NO third parties, SEC = a third party.
Crypto was to be a means to not need or require SEC because the Decentralization of the collective of crypto users could've kept it in order via voting and moving blockchains to different paths via forking if things got out of hand.
Satoshi gave us all the needed checks and balances, we're just too lazy and stupid to realize it and give that very power over to the DICKHEADS SATOSHI WANTED TO REMOVE THE POWER FROM (I am truly passionate about this, so forgive my emotion)
>>55260924
Man, shut thee fuck up.
You type of 4chan anons are the fucking absolute of the worse. "glow this" and "glow that", shut the fuck up. you don't sound hip, you sound sheepish. it doesn't matter who the fuck says what the fuck, you fucking dingle berries come in and yell "GLOWIE!" without adding shit to the discussion, at least the above dickheads are discussing crypto and keeping things on track. go fuck off

>>55260992
Semi correct, grifter = dead
Only decentralized network in existence is btc, all the other, grifters, from the big one like eth to the small ones of xyz_testtokenbuymygrift tokens

Can someone please explain to me how Bitcoin gains value if there is no centralized exchange that offers off-on ramps from fiat in order to trade it?

>>55261004
You are absolutely braindead retarded if you believe no one knows who satoshi is.
I stopped using BTC before silk road even got taken down because it was a total failure.
Large tx fees and back then it took literally 24 hours to settle sometimes.
I'd go to bed and then check in the morning if my payment had registered on chain.

It's entire rise was glowing non stop as brightly as possible and yet here you are, a fucking faggot, premising everything you believe on a myth that was never true to start.

>>55260368
He also said "Ripple is interesting in that it's the only other system that does something with trust besides concentrate it into a central server."

>>55261004
A shame you didn't die, because you certainly lost your mind, else you would understand that neither the sec, nor anybody else can stop btc, while stopping some random grifter is a good thing. Kill all the tech bruh developers that emitted tokens and sold them for the promise of development and therefor a roi for the gullible fools that bought them

Its the only way forward and Gary does the right thing to do what needs to be done, even if he likely does it for the wrong reasons

>>55260938
debate me with something not just shit talk. surely if I'm an idiot you MUST be wise enough to provide a better stance and post? or am I too stoopid to assume such?
>>55260942
Are you even aware of the whitepaper for BTC?
Are you even aware of what a forking provides for a checks-and-balance situation?
stop it bro.
>>55260992
I agree. very well said fren.
>>55261001
Nigga what?!?!?!
XRP!?!?!
Have you not read shit I've been ranting about?
fuck off, go read up and learn then return.
fucking hell.
XRP!?!? lmao!

What is up with this doom and gloom? It's like you go on here and think that's it for crypto forever. I smell something fishy going on. sage

>>55261048
BTC
satoshi did the only sensible thing
>Build the tech
>Not grift
>pissing off

>>55261048
The XRPL is a neutral ledger that can be accessed by anyone. The toke supply is limited. The tx is 3-5 seconds, permanent, and costs less than a thousandth of a cent.

Same for XLM.
Freedom is choosing your money. Not necessarily being a fedora wearing faggot.

>>55261025
Most value gained in the near future will come from next year's halving.

>>55261006
I agree
>>55261025
Can someone explain to him how Bitcoin was first used (and yes, to the dick head above who said crypto is only used for illegal activities - this is me giving you a win on one front to prove my point).
BTC didn't starting "gaining value" until it left the Dark Web and made it onto Clear Web DEXs, then shit got weird.
>>55261034
>You are absolutely braindead retarded if you believe no one knows who satoshi is.
There's trees and then there are forests, you're missing the latter because of the former.
>>55261037
Satoshi never said that because BTC whitepaper predates Ripple,
nice try fucktard.
>>55261039
>A shame you didn't die
LMAO! amazing you have no response to counter what I'm saying so you wish death upon me. well unlike you, I know death is inevitable. I've made my peace with that a long time ago, but good to see I've angered you to this point. it's clear you're not intelligent enough to understand the issue at hand. enjoy your Sunday Anon,
lol!

>>55261110
I'm not missing anything. I'm pointing out that your premise is false.
As another anon said, it was a lie to promote the technology. You are still clinging to what as a lie from the start.
Why would they lie about crypto being against the state? Because it's not.
It plays into the state's hand very obviously.

>>55261052
Its really telling when someone comes with a critical and different opinion you calling foul play. the only 'foul play' here is me assuming it would be folks intelligent enough to grasp the point.
I shouldn't fault you for being stupid.
>>55261061
You can save your telegram copy and pasted rehearsed bullshit dribble. XRP?
ROFLMAO!!!

>>55261121
Just saying you aren't "missing anything" doesn't mean that's the case.
You clearly are missing the point and regardless of what you are going to try and use to defend against me saying that, your tone and stance makes it clear you're missing the point.

>>55261110
Because for some reason you are mind broken
is it the PTSD, was it the behaviorism propaganda, I don't know, you are a shell of a human and need to shut the fuck up because you have nothing of value to say, beside spreading your brain rot

>>55261157
sure things,
thanks for the psychological report.
but got anything to keep in line with the OP? if not, I'll set up a thread in psych or x and ask for your to read my natal chart or something bitch,
but until then - either stick to topic or eat a dick and fuck off on a pogo stick.

>>55261169
That your OP is bullshit
>we
whoever that is supposed to be didn't kill whatever you think it is
cexes getting fucked, good thing
shitcoin devs getting fucked, good thing
stable coins (us bonds) getting fucked, good thing
BTC cant be killed, full stop

your OP is bullshit and you are a mind broken idiot

>>55261148
I'm tell you there is a non speculative, free, instant settling ledger that regular people can benefit from right now in XLM and XRP and you are going on about everyone ruining everything with greed.
You are a maxi at heart. YOU are the greedy one or you'd simply see what's in front of you. XPR and XLM fulfill what you believe what btc should have done.

Without the price speculation what is there beyond free, fast, open to anyone?
XLM and XRP solve those and its peer to peer and it's no more or less private that btc ever was.

Are you seething because of the Stellar Foundation and Ripple?
Get over it and use what actually benefits you as a person.
You use products from private companies or foundations in every other aspect of your life don't you?

Free, voluntary association. I'm fine having a private company custodian my money or do the work maintaining a ledger and server space.

It's a weird thing to see people get offered a great improvement on their life and then seethe all day about it.

>>55261223
xlm is an unregistered security, and beside the foundation nobody is developping on that shitcoin or securing the ledger

>>55260429
>Bitcoin was only ever going to succeed as an enabler of illegal activity

>an immutable, publicly viewable ledger which records all details of your every transaction which therefore makes it impossible to hide anything, enables illegal activity more than fiat money which cannot be traced by anyone (if using cash) or is only traceable by a select few groups.

>>55261257
>What is a mixer/tumbler?

>>55261300
checked
The Fiat cultists are really on the verge of breaking, knowing that their Greenback deal from the 70s with the Saudis, that lead to Operation Desert Storm 1 and 2, 9/11, Afghanistan and other shit are dying this year

>>55261316
Spoken like a true believer maxipad

>>55261110
>Satoshi never said that because BTC whitepaper predates Ripple,
nice try fucktard.
BTC whitepaper was written in 2005? Look up Ripples history.

>>55261316
The dollar has been declining in value since being removed from the silver standard.
stop it bruh.
nothing in here is promoting fiat, not even the people I'm arguing against. so stop trying to stir in shit to derail the thread.
for someone who disagrees with me so much you sure have a hardon for this thread. You're one of my most active repliers.
thanks for keeping this thing pushed to page 1, you're a real chap.

>>55261369
please screencap where in the whitepaper Satoshi praises (PRAISES) Ripple.
I'll check back later (going to go stomp some ass in online gaming)

>>55261367
Shitcoiners are fiat cultists, disciples of Satan, that entered a deal for infinite growth, that doesn't exists, and now like every deal with the devil die in a very funny way. Read Faust, read Spengler, then you get it, The infinite plane isn't infinite

>>55261379
you are an idiot, stop talking
same suggestion to you, read Faust, read Spengler

>>55261397
God you morons really are just digital goldbugs and equally as insufferable.

>>55261390
I never mentioned the whitepaper you did. I said Satoshi said it, Its in his emails.

>>55261411
Only difference, gold isn't very practical in a global world; and you are just afraid that you cant generate growth out of thin air like a jew

>>55260368
It is decentralized as many people have seperate amount of coins, the thing is that whoever has most of them tends to control the value I guess. There's no way to be really decentralized like that, because someone has to monitor the coin and control it at the end of the day. You know what I mean?

>>55261436
value in what?
fiat
Lol

>>55260584
tell me you're a raving 15 year old without telling me.

>>55261431
>you are just afraid that you cant generate growth out of thin air like a jew

And what is BTC if not a speculative asset that grows in value based on nothing but vibes (and tons of wash-trading, mostly that)?

At least gold is tangible and can be put into any number of productive uses. BTC is just ephemeral zeroes and ones whose only real-world productivity is in crime.

>>55261509
vibes?
It grows because of innovation in efficient use of energy and innovation in technology. Keep an eye out for 512 qubit mixed miner asics
>gold
there are better uses for gold then act as unit of account
btc has 2.1*10^15 sats of units of accounts, more than enough

>>55260368
Didn't read, bought more.

>>55260531
I fucking hate these normies here giving their money to overseas “devs” hoping for some 100x for their useless token not needed, forgetting all about the point of bitcoin

Fucking retards actually even went and flipped and said btc was slowing down the jeet projects. Absolute degen normie retards. Glad they all got BTFO with their stupid fucking 500$ in their useless shitcoins spamming twitter to pump and dump garbage

Literal retards preaching their 100000tps centralized premined bullshit feeding all their money to jeets and never even reading the bitcoin whitepaper

>>55260560
Retard detected. Keep preaching a narrative you read. Im sure your ICPee will 100000x and make you a trillionaire

>>55260596
Btc is
>the safe boomer coin is just 4x GAINZZZZZ
>MUHH GAINZZZZ
These normies need to get the tuck out of crypto

>>55261612
not normies, desperate altcoin fiat cultist tech bruh grifters that very well know that they are going to be fucked sooner then later, most next week, usdt usdc eth dot avax and a few more

>>55260526
Coping retard. Yeah btc is “safe”
Go buy your unsafe overseas jeet stock in a company with 3 devs pumping news retard

>>55260661
Still worried about pumping %s retard

>>55260665
Retard

>>55260720
The point is btc doesnt give a fuck about your “markets” the point was never a 100000% gain, that was a side effect of the idea of crupto

>>55260732
Another retard, muhhhh tps, muhhh gainzzzz. Does amazon accept I see Pee or linkies or any of the other trash made by oversea shit devs trying to tske your money and sell you an “idea” ?

>>55261631
>Go buy your unsafe overseas jeet stock in a company with 3 devs pumping news retard
you start to lose it tech bruh grifter fiat cultist demon

>>55261644
clearly losing it
When is the next war for the Saudis or did the Sauds say, no more, just choosing diplomacy with Iran, and no need for Golem USA anymore

>>55260482
Fucking based. Fuck investment fags. You ruined crypto. You already had stocks too, you’re all massive feminine whiny faggots. Leave forever and let the real men do what with crypto what is what made to do. To be free and fair or Jewish banking.

>>55261661
IM losing it? What the fuck are you even saying?
Anyways

Satoshi made an amazing decentralized system to store value and allow permissionless global transfers of wealth with no borders. Then he dissappeared and let the system and math do the work

Then the jeets came and created a bunch of premined useless tokens and sold it to you promising new news and 1000x and you all bought it.
You bought unregistered securities , to a centralized team, a centralized company, with centralized control. With the promise that your tokens will increase in value as the centralized team continues their dev work, paid for by the money you fed them

And you idiots think this is the idea of crypto

>>55260368
>make money
>suprised people make money of making money
what the?

>>55261468
Go backdpdv0

>>55261703
>Coping retard. Yeah btc is “safe”
>Go buy your unsafe overseas jeet stock in a company with 3 devs pumping news retard
you should stop talking and leave this board
IDIOT SOCIAL MEDIA GOLEM!

>>55261468
16 and 3 quarters,
bitch

>>55261588
Couldn't have said more intently myself.
>>55261612
honestly fren, these are the very people the billionaires want in crypto.
even with the truth slapping them in the face like a penis across the jaw of a gullible casting couch chick, they refuse to see the money shot coming.
if it not be for the normies, crypto billionaires would've had to stick to robbing us via fiat.
>>55261675
Facts and look how those greedy fat cat faggots did with stocks, fucking squeezed it dry with their stupid fucking Gamestop play. fucking greedy degenerate dick-lusting little butt-pirates.

>>55260368
Why is Nintendo guy holding up ID?

>>55261257
>fiat money which cannot be traced by anyone
You are in for a world of surprises if you actually believe this.

>>55261934
No one knows the true identity of Satoshi,
some people it's a single individual, some believe it's multiple individuals who use the name of "Satoshi" and one interesting theory claims "Satoshi" is a combination of 3 different companies (Samsung being one of them, and would've contributed the "Sa" portion).

This jackass in the OP pic I posted is a degenerate who saw to the world and media outlets alike that he was thee true Satoshi,
what didn't add up? he couldn't produce Satoshi's key to the wallet attributed to the true Satoshi.

Pic used just for 4chan cultural norm requirements.

>>55261900
They dont see how 99% of their shitcoins is basically just a stock owned by some 5man dev team.
>its not an unregistered security!!! Its a useful token!!!
They’re literally buying rebranded stocks , paying some centralized company to build software in hopes one day the software will have a real use and then their stock/token will
>10000000x MOOONSHOOTTT!!!
ya ((you)) all deserved to get rugged

We tell them to their face the exact truth, try to bring back the vision, but they are blinded by the %%%% GAINZZZZZZ and forgot all about why Bitcoin even came into existence.
These same idiots buying centralized oversea stocks are the same ones that blame “tech companies” for “ruining everything”
News flash. You’re buying the same tech company stocks. Except your tech company is 5 jeets

It’s fine. Let them be cleansed. The jeets thank you. Laughing on their way to buy some delicious fucking samosas. God i love samosas desu

>>55261979
The guy in OPs pick NEVER claimed to be satoshi. People just meme’d him

>>55261979
>No one knows
except Satoshi himself. He is a slick kitten

>>55262021
true, I was wrong

>>55261979
OPs chinkman never claimed to he bitcoin creator, he was just tired of people asking him that anytime he was shilling his Nintendo game or whatever bugman does

>>55262078
Correct,
>>55262021
had corrected me before your post anon.

>>55262087
I don't care

One anon who knows screaming, surrounded by morons

>>55260482
Finally some truth in this shit board.
I left crypto in the end of 2016, when I educated myself about stable coins/USDT.
Returned because i had a stack of link and that shit blew up in 2018/2019 and gambled like a fucking degenerate until 2021.
Then Terra went under and I finally sold everything for BTC.
Also had a friend who lost over 600k on Celsius ( I warned him so many times...)

>>55260368
Only retards will trust CeFi. If it ain't routed through SpoolFi, then it is in my hot wallet.

>>55262277
Sorry to hear of your losses.
but yea, USDT was also a major red flag but they didn't see it for what it was.
>>55262371
No one will even give a fuck to understand what CeFi is, let alone realize the issues present. which is why crypto is in the state its currently in.

>>55261247
Who cares if it's a security if you can use it to avoid all fees and pay peer to peer in seconds?
What is it you want?

>>55261390
Have you finishing "stomping kids online" or are you just ignoring me because the goalposts were too heavy for you too move?

>>55262566
>avoid all fees
which exchange you know of which doesn't require crypto tax to push through the network?
the point i'm making,
there is no such thing a "feeless" CEXs, that's not even remotely close to real.

>>55262572
You were the one who moved the goal,
you never said emails, you insinuated Satoshi spoke in the whitepaper of Ripple, when I called you out on it you tried to then say you MEANT emails.
no need to argue with you, you're not even being honest with yourself.

>>55262578
What the fuck are you talking about?
The satoshi stuff is bullshit, but I've read what he says and the white paper.
It's a PEER TO PEER money system. That was the point. You don't need a CEX at all.
But that's also the point for XLM and XRP. It costs you nothing. It's peer to peer and costs you nothing.
They literally accomplish the entire "point".

>>55262572

>>55261037
>He also said "Ripple is interesting in that it's the only other system that does something with trust besides concentrate it into a central server."

Wow!!! He emailed someone and said it was interesting!!!
There are you happy?

>>55262590
OP never mentioned the whitepaper, I never mentioned the whitepaper you are the only one who mentioned the whitepaper.
There's a difference between insinuating and assuming.

>>55262615
Let your boyfriend fight his own fights.

>>55262614
> the point for XLM
Yes go buy stock in this company. One day the company will take off and people will use it then your xlm stock will be worth a lot!!!!

>>55262614
You can't agree that centralization is bad then promote a centralized coin.
Ripple labs CONTROLS XRP,
not miners, so stop with the bullshit buddy
and in case for some odd reason you do not realize it, Ripple (the company entity) fucks as both Centralizer and 3rd party for XRP token. lol fuck off guy.
>>55262616
>OP never mentioned the whitepaper,
Tell use you never read the whtepaper by telling us you never read the whitepaper.
moving goal again,
lol nice try, insincere liar.

>>55262614
>>55262632
Look how cool the XLM startup office is! And look at the diverse hires!! Buy our stock!!

>>55262626
jealous much?

Yep just checked, my crypto is still there. Why is OP a faggot?

>>55262640
Kek,
>>55262666
checked and no I'm not Satan.

>>55262626
>>55262666
you leave my boyfriend out of this!
This is a civilized talk about CryptoCurrencies and their usecases in the future

>>55262692
Sorry mate i apologise.

>>55262704
It's okay my friend.
Now back to the topic.
All your alts are dog water

>>55262681
who said anything about crypto going missing?
>>55262687
fuck up,
you're not intelligent enough to hold the trash bag Satan would toss used toilet paper into. fuck you clown, we not frens and don't try and be friendly with me now.
dick gobbler.
>>55262692
You tell em boo

>>55262714
Some are, I'm more pissed at my bank stopping payments to buy crypto. fucking cunts.
>>55262723
alright CYA mate. (I'm not using mate in the way non Aussies think)

>BUT MUH WHATE PAYPUR

And what influence, control or power does lolbertarian technobabble mean in an environment with no enforcement and little regulation? What use is the babbling of an in-hiding ideologue if they have no control over what they create?
It's ironic. Cryptobros INSIST that crypto was supposed to "be something" as if it had some kind of set-path, centralised regulation or instruction like all other forms of investments tend to do.
Toshi published his schizo shit, made a coin, released it and it went loose. There was no instruction. No control. And when you don't have regulation, the people that dominate financial environments are robber barons, scammers, profit-generators, grifters and criminals.
It's also fucking hilarious that the entire premise of Crypto was based on a lie. Banks were allowed to do whatever they wanted because there was poor government regulation, not the other way around. Yet, libertarians somehow interpreted a poor enforcement of procedure on banking institutions as "we should have no rules" and thought it would end better. The only issue OG crypto inventors had with the 2008 crisis was "Why wasn't I making money from it?".

Waving some mentally deranged instruction manual infront of people's faces isn't going to change the fact that crypto has forever sullied it's reputation to be nothing more than a haven for peddlers and conspiracy theorists.

>>55262761
>Im NoT uSiNg MaTe In ThE...
shut the entire fuck up,
no one is impressed with your d-list tier attempt at witty comebacks.
cringy little bitch.
>>55262762
Didn't read

>>55262761
>I'm more pissed at my bank stopping payments to buy crypto. fucking cunts.
because OBVIOUSLY you know shit about crypto and keep losing money so your bank needed to step in like the parents you didn't have, to raise you and instruct you on mature money and financial management of their money they are lending you access to, stupid cunt.

>>55262762
it's just some math man

>>55262632
What is the point of a money?
>>55262640
I don't agree that a centralized operation is bad retard.
And the miners are in it for money. The XRPL, is supported by Ripple, but they let you USE IT FOR FREE and you don't have to have anything to do with them.

Same with Stellar Foundation.
>>55262651
What does stock have to with anything.

This guy is talking about NOT being greedy fucks. Well, if you take out price speculation, then what do you want?
A very fast and secure free to use ledger? A fixed supply? What more is there than that?
This is XRP and XLM.

>>55262864
>I don't agree that a centralized operation is bad retard.
But Satoshi does,
and that's my point. Centralization = Bad for Crypto.
I fully understood you were in favor of centralization but couldn't determine if you were intentionally trolling or being stupid claiming Ripple was good.
Satoshi in his WHITEPAPER states CEXs is not needed.

centralization is just fiat digitized, so XRP = the shittiest of centralized coins.
You're ONLY in favor of XRP for it possibly making you rich when it "mooned", further proving my point that u asshats focusing on profits have completely shit the bed with your lust for profits and 'sick gains bruh'

>>55262864
>I don't agree that a centralized operation is bad retard.
You know, now that I think about it;
gazing into my magic crystal faggot detection orb of revealment.
I see a clear picture of a faggot who went on to defend something he knew nothing about truly. then in the course of arguing with the non-faggot OP, you decided to 'bone' up on what OP was beating your thick skull with, and realized;
>SHIT! OP has a point...bbuuuhhh
in the name of everything anti-faggotry may the force of anti-faggotry compel you to cease your faggot ways, stop postulating this superior faggotry for the sake of any and everything non-faggot.

Buncha fags who missed out on BOTH bull runs; the thread.

>>55262762
>>55262772
>didn't read
i think you did read it and got btfo. it's pretty spot-on

>>55263072
nah didn't read, saw the meme green text and foreseen the bullshit road paved in pothole logical fallacies and decided to take the detour around that disaster.
but good you read it, proud of ya.

>>55262549
UAE and China are ready for crypto. They are inviting projects and CEX from the US to invest in their place. UAE endorsed CryptMi recently.

>>55263145
ok

>>55262651
You lots make investment decisions based off how cool the office is? Then i am not surprised when they say 70% of crypto investors are broke.

>>55263393
Lol.

>>55260368
humans are cattle and there are no better alternatives in this rotting economy
Maybe satoshi should’ve created a foolproof dex so no one would need cexes

>>55263145
Unless its in the BTC whitepaper Maxi's wont care.

>>55263082
extremely unfortunate

>>55262963
But crypto isn't centralized. Just the XRPL and XLM ledger are.
The decentralization that matters is the diversity of chains and options.

>>55263005
I have had and used btc longer than you and was actually around near the beginning of it.

>>55263393
>Narrative
>Tokenomics
>Working products
> Doxxed team

Just a few options of things worth looking out before investing in Crypto projects instead of getting fixated on how cool the office is.

>>55263925
Another impressive thing to look out for is partnerships which go a long way in the Crypto space, and this is one of the reasons i recently bagged CYMI as they announced a partnership with the private office in UAE.

picrel: how your average btc maxi looks like. he is strongly against fiat culture (like grains, modern art and altcoins) dislikes keynes although he doesn't have the IQ to understand anything he wrote, and he really believes btc will solve all world's problems

>>55260368
always has been

>>55264415
> (like grains, modern art and altcoins)
You're right I do dislike brown rice, modern fart, and shit coins. nice call

Here is a photo of the average shit coin hodler after Gary rugs your useless tokens not needed

I'm here for the profits, I don't care about your libertarian or comunist shit

>>55260368
>Crypto failure is OUR fault
What crypto failure?

>>55260368
What blame? Even if crypto were to be a gift from god, there's always a way to undermine it by abusing its reputation. Bitcoin is basically selling out itself, and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Heck it didn't even have to be centralization, all you need to do is using the phrase 'bitcoin' for trying to sell some totally unrelated product, and there you go: people will associate bitcoin with something that inevitably turns out to be crap. Just take a look how many leeches were trying to hop on the AI train in the last months.

Now, that still doesn't mean that the idea itself is bad, which is why we have cycles of trust. Bitcoin will rise again and again. As long as the idea stems from pure innocence to aid humanity as a whole, it cannot die, it can only be shat on.

>>55266535
Op is either an idiot or glows. In both cases let this shit thread die

>>55260368
I agree, decentralization is imperative. The problem is that most people that buy crypto don't understand what it means and why it's important. You don't have to be a genius either to see that something like Ethereum IS NOT decentralized. If the gov saw something they didn't like happening in Ethereum, it would simply take a threat from the DOJ and Vitalik would fold. There's literally stablecoin addresses that are frozen right now for whatever reason. But this had to happen, all shitcoins are going to get flushed away and bitcoin will just continue producing blocks.

>>55260368
Agreed. The whole point of btc was that you don‘t need a third party and now we got exchanges as the third party and if you want to cash put you still need your bank. As such Crypto is fucking useless, you can as well just use USD.
BUT I feel like even without exchanges and stuff there still seems to be no way to make crypto as a currency truly decentralized. In the end you always have someone who has more control over it (i.e developers).
>>55260565
100% true. If any crypto is to become a legitimate currency thats widely accepted at stores or online there has to be a way to make it as easy to use as fiat. Your grandpa abd grandma need to be able to use it even if they dont understand any of it. The average joe will NEVER use crypto over fiat if it involves hazzling with weird wallet addresses and private keys. Until that happens crypto will remain a niche asset for tech nerds.

>>55260368
This thread seems like a BIG buy signal. Strap on boys we are going to the moon!!

>>55260902
Zcash