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>>55228563
How do they test the gold? Surely they have to test it for every transaction

>>55228677
Contrary to the propaganda, gold is very difficult to fake. Especially when you are slicing off bits of it and weighing it out. I can't think of any way you could fake that. And if the color looked off, it is easy to use a touchstone to verify fineness. Remember, people have been using gold as money for thousands of years with much less tech available than we have now. Much easier to fake paper money.

>>55228563
>>55228782
Waow, so that's really what it's gunna be like when SHTF here, huh? What about silver coins?

>>55228782
Plus it's very easy to tell just by using your ears if a coin is fake. This has been proven scientifically. And if you don't trust your ears you can always use a spectrograph. I have one on Android called Spectroid that works great.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Arnaud-Manas/publication/276297204_The_music_of_gold_Can_gold_counterfeited_coins_be_detected_by_ear/links/5622abb908aed8dd19441378/The-music-of-gold-Can-gold-counterfeited-coins-be-detected-by-ear.pdf

Welcome aboard! This is your craptain speaking. We're gonna climb to 25.00 feet and then I'm gonna crash this plane with no survivors! Don't bother to buckle your seatbelts. Thanks for flying silver express!

>>55228908
Do you think yhe cellular networks will continue working when SHTF? Will you be able to pay your cellular provider in silver coins? Is that what the Venezuelans are doing? It seems like that'd be an important service and app to keep running for everyone so they could use their silver coins as money.

morning coom

>>55228986

>>55228563

>>55228986
Like it was all planned or something

There are nationwide shortages of certain chemotherapy. Both of the drugs in demand are platinum based.
I feel like this is incredibly bullish for Platinum.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/07/health/cancer-center-chemo-drugs/index.html

>>55229126
Did they forget to tamp today?

>>55229403
I hoard platinum and silver exclusively. I may be shunned for doing so but it's very appealing to me.

>>55228986
>it’s totally normal for silver to pump 4% on market open
>everything is fine, would you like some more paper IOUs?

>>55228848
Silver coins become the currency for smaller transactions, gold for the larger. That's been the pattern for literally thousands of years.

>>55229007
How do you think silver coins were used for two thousand years BEFORE electricity? We are not launching some beta test of new tech. It is literally as old as history. Relax. It's been done with great success in every known world civilization.

20 Francs or jewelry or VF $5 Indian head?
20 Francs would be the low cost fractional so that's slightly winning out in my mind... but those $5 Indian heads are tempting

>>55229446
Based. What is your favorite platinum piece? I'm getting ready to buy another ounce

Just looked into the strategy of buying silver puts. Is this actually worth getting into?

>>55229594
20 francs

>>55229007
I don't ascribe to the barter Bettys. a much more likely scenario is exchanging pms for an increasingly devalued currency as need sees for. The public has no fucking idea what pms are or what they're worth. Corporations aren't going to be trading silver coins in the checkout line. The idea is preposterous, only gestated in the fevered brains of extremists.

I want cheapies goddammit.

>>55229594
Get what appeals to you most. Prices may go up or down, but if you like a piece, that stays with you. Eventually you'll get both.

>>55229594
You better stack weight, unless you're already loaded.

>>55229403
I like all PMs, but Pt gets the short end of the design stick. It mostly boring stuff - same designs as for the silver counterparts. But every once in a while a gem comes out.

>>55229642
>Corporations aren't going to be trading silver coins in the checkout line. The idea is preposterous, only gestated in the fevered brains of extremists.
They used to, not that long ago.

>>55229642
But the other day anon told me I'll be able to shop at Costco when SHTF and the clerk at the register would accept my PMs as payment on the down low.

crypto nerds will seethe

>>55229642
You do realize that every fiat currency in history has ultimately gone to zero? If you think the USD, whose value depends on the moral fiber of the most incompetent, degenerate, avaricious, selfish assholes the world has ever known, is going to be an exception to this, I think you are in for a surprise.

Every empire thinks it will last forever until it inevitably falls. The empire of the USD is no different. The only questions are WHEN it will fail and WHAT will replace it. Stackers know enough history to place a bet on a return to the ancient standard.

>>55229715
It's all gone, what remains is in the hands of perhaps 4% of the population. Not sure why they would set up an economic system overnight that 96% of the country would be unable to participate in. The best you could hope for is a re evaluation of metals and setting up some new form of currency. It's more likely our advanced economies devolve into something resembling current shit holes like turkey Venezuela and various sub continent locales where pms serve as stores of value.
>>55229785
Replace "fiat currency" with "barter system" and your screed still rings true

>>55228521
>Nice Variety
Does it have to be all gold?

>>55228521

>>55229811
How does it feel to be a goldlet?

>>55229801
You are helping to make my point. Barter is extremely inefficient and is always quickly replaced with a system of money. That system of money has, throughout history, been gold and silver coins. When fiat collapses, there may be a very short period of barter (the trading of goods and services directly for other goods and services) but a new system of money will quickly emerge. If you have a better idea of what that will be other than gold and silver coinage, do share. And don't say CBDC because that will never fly.

Niggerfaggots, whats the best type of shiny metal rock to buy if I want to sell again immediately
Silver bars? Gold bars? Coins?

>>55229878
low premium gold

>>55229878
An ETF

>>55229785
>Ancient Standard
Silver coinage existed in every Western country ~63 years ago until it "mysteriously" disappeared

>>55229801
Yes, most of the gold and silver are now in a small number of hands. As soon as the USD will not buy anything, that silver and gold begins to circulate in exchange for goods and services. Voila! Gold and silver are remonetized. And it will be the difficulties of barter that drive it fast.

>>55229785
I don't think the dollar is truly "fiat." I think it's backed by oil (i.e. the Petrodollar). That's why whenever someone tries to buy or sell oil outside of the dollar the US decides to give them some freedom (like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein). With the armed forced being neutered by the Left, though, it'll be interesting to see what comes next.

>>55229801
>Not sure why they would set up an economic system overnight that 96% of the country would be unable to participate in.
Welcome to the Great Reset.

>>55229905
We are on the same page, fren.

>>55229909
It's not just the usd in trouble. Don't be myopic.

>>55229840
>How does it feel to be a goldlet?
I have no idea what a goldlet is, so I can't say. But I like the stuff I have, and like having it.
Feels good? Yeah.

>>55229878
Shrek and Disney coins.
Also picrel

>>55229902
thanks for advice fren
>>55229904
thanks for keks fren

>>55229935
Never said it was. But again, you make my point. When the USD fails, there will be no other fiat currency to turn to, Hence, silver and gold coins win again.

>>55229905
I guess there's much more recent european silver coinage. I just don't know how widespread they were. At leasst the 50 francs Hercule were minted in large quantity.

>>55229998
Seriously. Or futures contracts. You don't just buy and sell pms.

>>55228521
So uh, what’s the best silver to buy now and from where?

>>55230016
A 2023 Maple Leaf from silver.com. It *only* has a 9.9% premium over spot.

>>55229911
You misunderstand the meaning of the wold "backed". If the USD was fixed to, and redeemable in, a specific quantity of oil, then it would be backed by oil as it once was backed by gold and silver. But the price of oil in USD floats. Hence the USD is no more backed by oil then it is by any other commodity.

And forcing of people to use the USD for certain transactions IS the meaning of fiat - currency by command. So you actually have it all backwards.

>>55230011
True, just funny majority of these coinage disappeared in 20 years span in various different countries.

>>55230060
Ah, right, my mistake.

Mercs

>>55230054

Those are cheaper here: https://monumentmetals.com/silver/canadian-silver-maples/2023-silver-maples.html?page=1

these are cheaper than those
https://monumentmetals.com/2023-austria-1-oz-silver-philharmonic-bu.html

>>55229911
>I don't think the dollar is truly "fiat." I think it's backed by oil
Not anymore. The saudis have walked away from the US. It's ogre. The emperor is naked for all to see.

>>55229911
>welcome to the Great Reset

Only works if people listen. I will continue to stack metals, guns, and ammo regardless of what the kikes say is allowed and the synagogue of Satan can seethe about it.

>But how will you buy things
By stealing them or bartering with people who also didn't fall for the scam.

>>55230016
Shop around anon. Just got your country's minted coinage and pick where ever cheaper. Typically, coinage minted on the year you buy is usually the cheapest. Some times bullion can be cheaper per oz then coinage is.

Got these today

>>55230016
>best silver
?? "Best" is subjective. My own preferences are for eclectic - I like a wide variety of different pieces rather than stacks of the same.

>>55230114
You just know

>>55230073
Huh, that's funny. I was using https://findbullionprices.com/ to do the comparison and it didn't show that. Odd.

>>55229911
SA sells oil for gold to China now. I'm sure they'd sell for gold to anyone willing. OK, technically they sell for Yuan and exchange those for gold at the Shanghai Commodity Exchande but same thing basically.

What's the story with Rhodium and should I buy?

>>55230114
Looks like nice coins! I only have one of their bars.

>>55229746
Don't bully them. Their GPUs have been a massive silver sink.

>>55230200
The USSR bought wheat from Canada with gold because centrally planned, state-run farms don't work, the people were starving, and the Ruble was shit.

Hey.

>>55230295
Mabe the Ruble great again.

>>55230269
Good point, good point.

>>55230156
What do we know, anon?

>>55230303
Hi

>>55228521
I got 1 gold coin and 130 oz of silver in coins and bars. Should I buy a 1 oz gold coins or spend the money on 70 silver coins instead?

Any of you lads stack tinned foods/non-perishables?

>>55230456
do whatever you want. i got 638 oz silv and 1 oz plat. theres no winning strategy except looking at the big 4 (gold silv plat palladium) and buying whatever is down most at that moment.

>>55230411

How's your day going?

>>55230321
Maybe. I think the BRICS will almost inevitably turn to a gold-backed currency. As the Eurofags found out, it is very hard to have a multinational fiat currency. It inevitably moves towards a central authority that controls the amount of currency issued by individual countries. That will never work among countries as diverse as the BRICS and every new member makes it more difficult. The solution is a gold-backed, fully redeemable currency. Then each nation can issue as much currency as they can back with their gold. Problem solved. This is why the Latin Monetary Union worked.

>>55230497
i happen to have these for making caesar salad dressing and a bunch of cans of san marzano tomatoes for sauces. i don't feel like pulling the tomato cans out for pictures tho

>>55230497
Of course anon, literally riskless investment if you buy the things you like to eat and store them well in a cool place

>>55230497
Oatmeal and honey. Also beans.

>Silver up
>Gold up
>Platinum down
?????????????????????????

>>55226797
Picrel was literally how I was told "shit's broke, mate"... At the time, a new car was BARELY cheaper than putting a new engine in, and was told by a fucking ((D&D friend)) that new engines won't "synch up" well...

Anyway, story on that is that I got bent over, scammed and never "wanted a car" as much as having the benefits... But after the never ending journey never ended, I literally don't want the car either.

>>55230988
I bought an RS3 the first year we got them here. I was eager to get to tuning, so I jumped on the first Iroz beta tunes. Windowed the block. New engine was $25k before I started building it.

>>55230988
>>55231012
The whole automobile industry is such a scam lmfao.

>>55231023
I actually like the car a lot. I'm hoping they take the cheap fake chink vents off the new refresh so I can order a final gaser car.

Fun anecdote of the day. Before we got sent home for COVID, I ordered a nogaro blue ttrs. I ended up sticking the dealer with it and it was sitting on the lot till about six months ago. I wonder if they'll let me order another one.

Another fun anecdote: Pulling over for police is optional when you daily a car with a thousand whp.

>>55230456
Buy gold retard. Silver is worthless. Only poorfags buy silver.

>>55231012
uh, my engine blew and I don't even know what the fuck that means. I wouldn't pay 25k on a brand new piece of shit, much less a part

>>55231141
Same thing as you are showing in your picture. The rod punches a hole, or a "window", into the block as it rockets itself out of the engine.

>>55231177
then you would be useful to have known when I was getting scammed. still don't got 25k to waste on a car much less replacing it

I wonder if these will be worth an extra premium in the future with street fighter lovers once these are all sold out

https://www.apmex.com/search?&q=street%20fighter

>>55231248
>street fighter
any chance you're some old person that use to post on srk?

>>55231270
KEK I'm afraid not. I actually just got an idea only regarding this because Street Fighter 6 is out now so I was wondering in the future if any collectors would coom seeing those. What did some boomer you know obsess over pms and played srk/street fighter?

>>55231214
what was the scam part of it? i hate dealing with car shops. they will definitely put the idea of "i should be able to do as much for myself as possible" into your head almost more than any other place

>$100 an hour labor at a local porsche shop
>as i'm talking to the guy working on the car
>no one is going to take care of your car like you would
i guess i'll do almost everything myself then...

>>55231305
scummy insider shit between dealers, not having anything better than a shitload of pressure and "figure it out", don't have anything better than a fucking lowball on top of fees and faggotry. got 1k for a car that cost me 3k, and now costs 12k.

Literally fuck that shit... So I can't get a car

>>55231412
sorry to hear that. were trying trying to sell you on rebuilding the engine or swapping in one from a junk yard? would 100% pass on pouring much money into a car you were only originally expecting to put a couple grand into

>>55230212
Used in catalytic converters, price moves with industrial use, cars & chemistry.
Sold my ounce when i I got 16k for it, selling is also a problem, not a classical investment metal, so you sell below spot or need to deal with selling privately.

took me a fucking week and tow to find any faggot crew who would even look at a hybrid, then I had to find my own nigged ebay engine and call for inflated quotes

faggots wouldnt even offer me anything, told me to tow it away, then a shop guy had an interest, then it turns into a manager.

im fucking done, unless someone has a clunkeer theyll sell me as a gift rather than get what they easily could in the market... I literally dont even want a fucking ongoing money pit whether I could afford it or not

1999 Toyota Corolla
As shrimple as that.

do you live in an area where you could ride a motorcycle?

>>55231571
would, but they aren't around and I can't afford a clunker anymore

Post your merchant hand.

>>55231597
not really, climate is as extreme as it gets other than siberia, and I used mine to travel for work

didn't just lose transport, lost oppertunities, income, savings, and motivation

>>55228848
Silver will temporarily moon while trying to find its real price as it is undervalued when you factor in inflation and the real buying power of its current value.
Then it will normalize and be able to have a blanket price and all the boomers who held their silver during the pump instead of selling will seethe when they realize they probably have made 2.5-3.5x returns in physical products as cash won't have value anymore

>>55228521
What's the 1oz double eagle next to the centenario in the center called?

>>55231778
Ah, I'm an idiot, it's not an OZ right? only knew the small ones, wasn't aware that the thing is so thin and huge.

>>55231778
Looks like an Austrian Hungarian 4 ducat gold coin. It has 13,767 grams of gold in it with a purity of 0.986

>>55231981
Had one of these before. Really nice

>>55229878
>if I want to sell again immediately
??? Just curious - what would be the point?

>>55230858
Platinum will gk up eventually

I love big red numbers.

>>55229609
I hoard fractional platinum because I spend the rest on silver. I just like small things even if I pay a higher premium. If I did have more miney I would still do fractional, small coinage for platinum.

>>55232460
>buy high
>sell low
Where do you think you are, anon?

>>55232800
Silver is a terrible inflation hedge and it hasn't done anything in one of the most inflationary environments we've had in modern times.

>>55232887
we should be less shit than the extremely shit crypto talk that goes on here. no fren tricking. no purposefully poor suggestions.

>>55232936
>>55231135
KYS d&c shills

>>55233020
Yes keeping lining the silver merchants pockets with those premiums and ignore Gold, the true and only monetary metal.

>>55233233
But I like industrial metals. They have actual use and demand is less elastic because industry will pay for it since they need it no matter what.

>>55232945
>he doesn't spend his paychecks on high premium silver only to need to sell it a month later at a high loss
Say your not a saying without saying you're not a stacker.

>>55231631
based burglar getting ready to steal a woman's coin purse.

We're so close to breaking the 26 million barrier. Record level lows by end of the month.

Oh, they're back. Did the FUD department go on vacation or something?

>>55233339
draining comex nonsense has been talked about for 20 years. 10 years ago they were at 28 million. now they're at 26 million. maybe in 10 years they will be at 24 million.

>>55233387
Whatever you say, man.

steak one is done. second one just started. how are we looking

>>55233448
Demoralizing day with the pump

>>55233513
We're just getting more time to save up for the next chance to get cheapies.

>>55233597
I hope they let us stack until the end of the year before they default.

When everyone is running off of a cliff and screaming at you for walking the other direction, it can feel a little strange.

If you have any degree of common sense, the actions of global "leaders" and financial "authorities" make no sense at all.

And when you hear major investors and talking heads proclaiming that Gold (and by extension Silver) is a "terrible inflation hedge" and it "hasn't done anything in one of the most inflationary environments we've had in modern times", it can be discouraging. Add to that the endless and nonstop bullsh*t that occurs on the COMEX and LBMA, it often feels like we're being punished for simply trying to do what makes financial sense.

If you can, try to remember that the day to day price action won't matter in the end, because Gold and Silver always account for the endless spending of a government. Always. And when they do, their purchasing power doesn't necessarily go up so much as value finally becomes important. Who wants to trade a house for an obliviated currency? No one. Who's willing to sell a house for a Gold coin or a bag of Silver? We're going to find out.

The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent. It's a market fact. So remember to stay calm as you can, educate if you see fit, and prepare your mind/body/spirit for some tumultuous times. They do cometh. And stack your Silver high, educate yourself further, and don't be afraid.

>>55228848
Banks used to have silver reserves but storing gold is cheaper, cause a ton of gold has more value also the rise of Platinum and ...i can't remember the other metal is fucking silver
I know silver is very useful but it may have other uses beyond circuits

>>55233513
How is a pump demoralizing?

>>55233641
That churchill quote made me very depressed anon. History is a big fat lie. I didn't ask for this feel.

>>55228568
Lmfao

>>55234024
No cheapies. Just another boring flight to COMEX international airport.

>>55233675
WAGMI

>>55228521
First piece. Next will be here in a couple weeks.

>>55234257
Pic.

>>55231496
You call all these people faggots but you're the one driving the hybrid.

>>55234261
Her face is bit off, but that’s cos she’s Greek or something. But yes neuron activation etc

What do you think of silver Philharmonic?

>>55234399
They seem to milk spot more than some but I like the design and they're pretty cheap. You could do worse.

Anons coin

>>55234399
It's a good coin for stacking. I bought many last year, when spot price was low.

>>55234430
Do you think it matters they don't have a security feature? What about them in comparison to silver Krug? Krug has a security feature but doesn't have a face value. I guess Philharmonic also doesn't need to be reported in some tax way too right? Not like I'd buy that much at a time though

>>55233641
Who much gold do I need with a stack of 30oz? I think about take the severance payment and acquire another 20oz. How far are we from the judgement day?

>>55234487
They're shinier than a krug. I'd just go with wieners as they're cheaper, cheaper than generic rounds also. I don't give a shit about security features since I buy from reputable dealers. If I didn't have a tube of krugs, I might buy some just to have. I'd buy wieners to get weight tho.

for the metals suck people, they won't ever do pic attached. this was several hundred thousand dollars before the ceo rugged the company and the sec was more concerned with elon's $420 tweet than the ceo saying they had funding for well over a year to only submit for bk a couple weeks after the er statement was made. did shareholders get anything when it went to court? fuck no. also an important lesson, don't be a greedy nigger. when you're up a lot, take something off the table. this was a while ago now and it still pisses me off.

>>55234487
I'd rather have krugs or maples, but I've been buying at least one of each of those every year i've been buying metals. i don't think it would be an issue selling assuming it would most likely be getting sold to a dealer who would be able to tell that they're real. i believe as long as the sale to the shop is below the reporting limit, which I'd have to look up, there is no paperwork filed that would be reporting the sale to the the government.

>>55234574
All things being equal, I'd rather have a krug over a wiener. I've never been able to justify the premium maples have. But being able to buy a sovereign coin at or below generic prices is a hellova deal right now. Also: fuck Canada

>>55234456
>Busch light
Nice tranny fluid faggle

>>55234616
Thanks

>>55234504
Could be anything from two weeks to two years. If the economy crashes hard enough to drop silver demand below mining supply it might never happen. But current estimates suggest registered going to 0 in about 6 months. See also https://silverbacksnakes.io/finance/silver

>>55234616
You’re abysmal. Get trannies off your mind, a guy can’t fucking enjoy a beer while posting on a message board without hearing about trannies from you brain dead golems 24/7.I don’t need to get in some moral argument with you either, you’re some fucking epic based nazi or some shit, give it up! your a fucking loser. I denounce the Talmud. Nigger.

>>55234666
Pic related was posted here in December, 2022.
I suspect next December the prediction will be for July '24.

>>55234514
Interesting rock. What's its story?

does this look cleaned? i've watched several videos on how to tell now and i don't feel like i'm much better at being able to tell.

>>55234872
that's been very heavily polished/whizzed.

>>55234724
Registered went from 35 million to 27 million in the past 6 months. If you look at it like that it that would mean it's going to take another 3 years at most. I can love with stacking a few more years. Reminder that silver deficit was 237 million ounces last year and miners are reporting a ~10% drop in output across the board. How can they not run out unless they let price go up?

>>55234876
How you can tell:
>suspiciously shiny despite signs of wear and deep scratches/pits
>lack of original cartwheel-style luster (look at any recently minted coin of yours or a picture of a mint state one and see the "shine" a polished coin has versus the "shine" a mint state coin has
>patches of original surface/color in spots that are hard to clean (not many on this coin in particular but at bit at the 1-2 o'clock of the reverse)
>hairline-width scratches allllll over the coin, mint state coins can have a few but this has clearly been scuffed up by an attempted polish
>once again mentioning the suspicious dull shine that a cleaned/polished coin will have because this is how you can spot one immediately most of the time

>>55234872
Is the pope catholic? Does a bear shit in the woods?

>>55234688
I will refrain from insulting the billion dollar corporation, it’s products, and it’s customers in the future. I now know that voting with my wallet is wrong. I’m *so* sorry.

>>55234872
Clearly fake

>>55234872
>does this look cleaned?
Who cares? Numismafags and their obsession for dirtiness truly is a mystery to me. I'd rather have a clean coin, as long as it wasn't treated with acid or other who could damage the coin..
But in your pic, the coin is clean, beautiful and shiny while not looking damaged, so where is the issue exactly?

If silver is going to be a stay of value and possibly go up... I feel that in a crashed market demand will go down and thus the price of silver will go down as well. Hardly anyone stacks and the ones that do are multi millionaires. Or industrial needs. If industry crashes it goes without saying so does the smelt and refined silver. To me it's obvious silver will never go ATH like people say it will. I'm curious on your thoughts

>>55235061
That looks horrendously damaged, those types are far worse if you're holding them in hand because every single scratch catches the light in ugly ways

>tfw just want some shiny rocks to feel like i'm in a fantasy RPG world
what's the most fun way to stack?

>>55235081
World gold, world silver. feel like a pirate.

>>55235081
Old silver and gold (not the .999 modern stuff)

>>55235068
Did you account for the 8+ billions humans on this planet in your calculations?
Not everyone will be *poor* in a crashed market, but everyone will try to protect their savings from rampant inflation, at any cost. And so far, those 8B+ humans all are using devaluing clownfiat.
It's not the single mom or local crackhead who will be interested with buying your PMs eventually. It's the well off middle class dude who is pissed at getting taxed 60%+ on everything he does, and is getting even more pissed that what he can finally bring back home turn into dust after few months.

You don't get rich trying to appeal to the poorfags, you get rich by appealing to the richfags.

Thoughts on Japanese Koban Sterling?

>>55235125
100% pirate kino. Anon will be must pleased by this sight i wager.

>>55235161
Is there any Japanese silver or gold with costs similar to Francs?

Blehhh anons wish me strength. I got tonsilitis right now and after taking penicilin I just feel shakey and with a fever...must lick silver....

>>55235173
Anything nihon-related have the weeb tax fren. Too many weebos, not enough nip stuff to please them all.

>>55232936
I suggest you plow your wealth into real estate and the stock market. When the bubble pops, I'm going to need people like you to clean my house.

>>55235173

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genbun-Koban-Gold-Japanese-Old-Coin-With-Certificate-/125968428638?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p4429486.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

Or

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-Old-1-Yen-Gold-Coin-Meiji-4-Late-Appraisal-R-/225604414120?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p4429486.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

I won't post any bu gold (the rectangle gold) cuz tok much silver mixture in there, but unfortunately Japan never made too many types of gold in their time.

>>55235033
>>55234976
>>55234876
i think most of that shop's coins look like they are too. they're some of the most expensive ones listed, so i wasn't sure.

coin in question ($100):
https://www.ma-shops.de/hamiltonbowen/item.php?id=1819

>>55235061
i'd like one that is in really good shape that hasn't been messed with and don't really want to buy one that has been graded. the rest can just be alright quality that are kept in tubes

>>55235174
Beh it's awful to have a swollen throat, you fear your next saliva swallowing every 5 seconds. You have all my compassion fren. If you have some (but you probably don't since it's hospital tier painkiller), use some lidocaine 5% in spray to make your throat painless.

>>55235207
And I posted this wanting to also say most Japanese gold is very expensive. Nothing around $400 USD as francs. Prices typically start in the 800s and up for 90% gold stuff. These are fun though and are getting eaten up like insane:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Meiji-18-Trade-Coin-Silver-Japan-Yen-1-One-Yen-Dragon-Old-Coin-From-Japan-Used-/404287690364?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p4429486.m46890.l6249&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0

>>55233675
Stay comfy, Fren!

>>55235221
As a matter of fact, I do have 5% Lidocaine. Even lidocaine lolipops kek. I get tonsilitis often but it's been about 6 months since it's been this bad. I just wish the feeling lasted longer

>>55235150
But with a shrunken head of a middle class and diaspora that people have become, how exactly do you go from a treasure hoarder to selling to committed individuals? To me it would be a gamble if I'm well off, or even poor for that matter. People in my life still ignore silver and as others have said normalfags go as far as to look down on you for trying to overpay with silver, as if you're a poorfag. If people don't want silver then all that has happened is the elite bamboozled a few hundred thousand stackers into believing they can retain value, or make a profit.

>>55235236
why do you have to take that? my mom has a fucked up back and uses lidocaine patches for pain

>>55235215
>$100 for a 5RM
wtf, Unc Dolfy personally sucked on this coin to justify such pricetag? Or is it some mix of mint city + year who made it rarer?
Or is this just a fucking scam lol?

Correct me if I am wrong, lads...but isn't it baffling we can buy gold francs from the years such as 1860s for just $400? If more collectors existed, the price for such coins would be astronomical huh? It's just baffling you can buy such old gold with so much history for so cheap. I wonder if a day will come where normies will eat up gold and such pieces of history will become impossible to find let alone buy. We basically get to enjoy a hobby due to the majority of the world not focusing on gold/silver and stupid crap like the apple vr goggles.

>>55235250
That's a scam price, ridiculously cleaned and common date. Not that the rarer dates are much more expensive becayse RMs in general are already marked up like crazy. Even the questionable ebay accounts will sell you a shitter piece for 35

The elites don't want you to know this, but silver coins at the bank are FREE.You can get boxes of coins and take them home. I went through 458 boxes of quarters and found 12 silver coins

>>55235249
They sooth any insufferable oral pain for a little while. I have some still from my last doctor visit because my tonsils act up badly about twice a year.

>>55235236
>I just wish the feeling lasted longer
Kek, i know this feel fren. Last time i got a toothache, it was so painful i emptied a 20mL bottle in just a day, like a *pshiit* every 30 sec at some point.
I've experienced all kinds of pains in my life, from broken bones to 3rd degree burns to stabbing to back inflamations to migraines etc..., but nothing come close to a rotten teeth grinding your gum for hours. The fact the pain not only is 10/10, but never stop seriously makes you doubt there is a all-loving god in this universe.
I almost cried of joy when the dentist pulled my wisdom tooth out forcing like a madman with his pliers kek.

That's when i understood the archeologists weren't bullshitting when they are saying bad teeth/mouth infections were the first cause of death in ancient times.

>>55235262
>It's just baffling you can buy such old gold with so much history for so cheap.
It seems absolutely unimaginable now, but you have to remember back then France was the world power. They minted close to a billion of those 20F gold coins. That's why they still are so common and so cheap to this day.

>>55235235
Darling, it's time to get into the francs.

>>55235341
Amazing. It's such a shame for me to watch old videos of early 1920s France. I would give anything to teleport in that world for a day just to see the bastion it once was. They dressed so well, their restaurants were small and packed with such luxury treats and foods, the streets were safe, and the flow of life bustled in Paris so well. It feels weird to be nostalgic for a place I've never been to but truly France was such a kingdom back then.

>>55235386

I finally got around to counting and categorizing my dad's stack last night. He was the one who got me into stacking and showed me how broken our financial system is. He made it to just under 1000 oz AG with 10.5 oz AU, he also had some really cool collectibles like pic related. I know it sounds cliche but I would give it all to the federal reserve jews if it meant bringing him back, he was only 54.
The most precious treasure is your family, don't forget that.

>>55235565
>54
He was 55 earlier

>>55235609
He's 56 now

>>55235609
Oh someone did see that, I posted this previously in the wrong thread last night. Yeah it was just a few days before his 55th birthday so maybe I Freudian slipped it.

>>55235565
I mean this is clearly photography anons marble. What’s with the LARP bro?

>>55235660
I’ll believe it. Carryon.

>>55235663
I can't speak for photography anon but it was a huge marble/granite top in his office he used for a workbench.

>>55234300
Lazy phrasing and wanting a cheap to maintain and reliable vehicle... When the car with the "lowest five year cost of ownership" changes then my top pick for a car will too.

I didn't stack to afford a nicer car, I stacked for my future, and maybe some acres.

>>55235202
When the bubble pops all those dollars you have in the stock market are going dissappear, and I'll buy your house for a shiny gold coin so you can feed your starving family.

>>55235369
that zero two figure looks great, wanted to pick it up

>>55235202
>I suggest you plow your wealth into real estate and the stock market.

No, you put your wealth into stuff that has no counter party risk or is debt free.

>>55235766
If someone has a family I’d give them a job (doing something) and pay them in silver. What I really want is /pol/tier effort posters or digital media gurus that I’d hire to create propaganda. Maybe a few commercial properties under my management but I’d try to keep people in their houses (if they have children). Power trip fantasy anyway.

>>55235847
The problem would be trying to find enough work for all those families while having enough incoming silver to pay them. Unless you turned into some kind of barter town baron who controlled the whole area.

>>55230988
Had a similar experience with an engine block cracking at 66k miles when the manufacturer warrenty expired at 60k miles. I should have just driven that fucking thing into a lake and claimed I feel asleep for the insurance money. However, I now only buy vehicles from the 80s or 90s, I personally have one from each decade. Even a smooth brain like myself can work on those, I've been astounded at the things I've fixed on them that would be impossible to DIY with anything modern. Two shitbox trucks is the winning solution. Best case they are both working and you get to feel high class "hmm what truck shall I take today?" Worst case one is broken so you use the other whilst fixing it the broken one. Highly recommended. Pic unrelated.

>>55235888
I don’t know what I’d do in that scenario. I’d probably have to have goons if I didn’t have enough to go around. Id try to win favor I guess. But id still have my goons. And goons are going to corrupt but it would be necessary for my own protection, hard thing to balance.

>>55235918
Find you some out of work henchmen from the 80s, they are probably cheap and loyal.

>>55234928
>How can they not run out
I don't know.
But my ignorqance doesn't mean that those who are actively involved in mining/recapturing any material are incapable of problem solving.
What I *do* see is doom and gloom based on numbers whose variability is not well understood and very likely (based on the poor track record) is severely flawed.
It's like global warming doomsayers who pick a date. I suggest avoiding that behavior. When the date comes and goes with no consequence, the source looks foolish.

>>55235766
>>55235828
I guess my sarcasm was torsaswo subtle.

>>55236297
too*

>>55236297
Dont worry I caught it.

>>55236297
Well I missed it lol

Lads I bought a Sov of some Facebook deal who is usually good but this one has rounded edges almost like it's been clipped. Is it just wear? Or have I had my pants pulled down. :(

>>55235732
Bro just drive a Honda civic.

>>55236587
nigga thassa fake. surfaces make it look like it's been cast out of something. magnet test and get diameter and weight checked

Newest acquisition

>>55236587
Fake, sorry

>>55236733
>>55236892
Could if just not be really worn? These are the other coins I've bought on the left, yeah they look alot different. Hopefully not potential fakes too.. fuck.

>>55237023
jesus christ that's a terrible cast

>>55237023
Wear isn't going to remove the reeding from the edges. It could be clipped and polished, but the details on the face of the coin indicate it's fake.

In particular, when a coin wears the high details get smoothed out while the low details remain crisp. Yours is smoothed on both high and low details, and none of the details are crisp. Most of the details are simply missing.

It appears to be a really awful fake.

>>55237042
>>55237082
i dont deny your wrong i just dont want to believe it because that fucking sucks for me but what can i do. He did send me a photo of it being tested on a sigma but how fucking easy would it be to edit a photo really...

>>55237114
The photo in question, not that I really means shit.

>>55237114
>>55237023
looks clipped, possibly sweated. definite bignose tribe vibes

>>55237114
Post obverse

>>55237120
Is that maybe a ring around the sovereign that was part of a necklace?

>>55237114
>>55237125
I was "hoping" just clipped rather than fake. But yes looks tribal.
>>55237145
*don't deny your wright

>>55237180
i dont think so as its smaller in diameter to my other sovs.
unless they all fake as well HAA

>>55237187
I'm with the other anons. I don't like the look of it. Get it tested at your LCS or pawn shop or whatever. If nothing else get some calipers and a scale and measure the thing.

>>55228568
What character is that supposed to be?

>>55230100
based

>>55237215
my LCS is 2 hours away but yeah i will have to do that now, ive messaged the guy who sold it me anyway.. see what the bullshit is. cheers for advice

>>55237120
It could be the correct composition but underweight.

it could be the correct composition and weight, but still fake.

Fake coins can be made of real metal. It happened a lot in the past when coins were more valuable than their metal content, and it still happens in numismatics for the same reason. If the weight and content are right then it's just scrap gold and you only lost the premium. If the weight or content is off then you just got ripped off.

lmaooo, you wouldn't believe what the jannoid gave me a warning for. It's so absurd and nonsensical, i'd never thought it was humanly possible to reach such lows.

See the meme "we were kings" with a nice looking white dude in front of a pyramid?
Yeah, considered "not safe for work on a blue board" and worth post deletion + warning.

Have you ever read something so fucking stupid? 101% certain a mod is a JPM mole with for mission to make /pmg/ a desert by abusing moderating tools.
We need to contact hiroimoot or a upper echelon modo, we can't let this shit continue. Half the posts are getting nuked for no reasons, anons are banned on zero basis. And it ONLY happen ITT. Nowhere else on /biz/.
It would be hilarious if the topic (real money) wasn't so serious.

>>55237228
Just some faggot ass janny that drank too much basedmilk.

>>55237263
good luck. He may not realize it's a bad coin, but if he handles sovereigns often he should have noticed something is off.

>>55237273
no I mean the character that the ai used to voice the audio clip.

>>55237272
Pretty sure they're training an AI moderator on /pmg/

>>55237272
I love the irony of calling this meme "pornography" when it's a cute drawn girl literally wearing more clothes than 99% of western women we see in the street, while all the ads running on /biz/ are hardcore porn websites.

H I L A R I O U S

I stack gold, silver, and 5.56.

Dont even TRY ME you faggot-ass fiat fake money punks. Your fiat matrix isnt happening here, you can hit the road, Jack.

To my precious metals brothers and sisters keep stacking and stay blessed.

>>55237299
>Dont even TRY ME you faggot-ass fiat fake money punks
*You are being issued a warning for posting online threats*
*You are banned for 3 days for posting pornographic bestiality (naked monkey who may or may not have an erection) on a blue board*

>>55237289
Well deserved, I saw your post and had sinful thoughts. Fully clothed fictional women are inherently nsfw as we all know.

>>55237348
>I saw your post and had sinful thoughts
oh, i'm really sorry fren. It wasn't my intention, thanks for helping me understand better my mistake.
I really hope the pic didn't trigger any unwanted erection.

I hope we aren't at the end of cheapies. The tribe needs to tamp it again.

>>55237374
No worries, we all make mistakes. The important thing is you learned from it.

>>55237428
I don't see any immediate reason justifying the end of cheapies. The fake ass stock market is green, VIX is at a 5 years low (lol), the dollar is crabbing, the yearly debt clownshow met it's intended goal, inflation is "under control", just like banks failures...
If anything, everything is pointing toward PMs edging lower, which makes the yesterday's pump even more suspicious.

>>55237462
>which makes the yesterday's pump even more suspicious.
And by that i mean it probably was banksters going against the trend to liquidate all shorts. Which sum up the entirety of finance for the past 5 years : stocks/ETFs/etc.. always doing the opposite of what they should do for whales to liquidate any normie who think common sense will reward them.

We truly live in terminal clownworld, where a catastrophy pump your bags while a good news will crash them.

>>55237228
I think it is supposed to be the english dub version of the narrator from Final Fantasy 7 but I could be wrong

>>55237228
Or if you mean the dog that's the janitor from Arthur, a 90's show

>>55229642
I agree with this anon and I have never, for a second, thought I'd be using my gold in the local supermarket, come SHTF or general hurt inflation. You'll just exchange it for whatever the exchange rate is on that day and use the currency to buy your stuff. You'll be trading in a small piece of fractional good each week or two, depending on how much food a 1/2 sovereign, say, will currently buy you and how many mouths you have to feed. The exchange rate will be rising sharply, of course, so that's why you invest in fractional gold, for that type of situation, so your just exchanging an individual piece as and when needed (like I say, every couple of weeks for most people).

>>55234487
>Krug has a security feature but doesn't have a face value.
Hu? Where's the security feature? Can't see anything obvious.
And don't they have some kind of face value, but it's not stamped on or something? I don't dislike the Krug, but besides the memetic >muh apartheit value (but wasn't the silver one only introduced long after the end of apartheit?), it's not that special of a coin.

>>55235215
>coin in question ($100):
>https://www.ma-shops.de/hamiltonbowen/item.php?id=1819
OK, what?
It's even a German shop and our RM prices are way below 20€. And if it were a rare numismatic piece, wouldn't they say so in the add? And it's clearly not in a special condition. Looks like circulated and cleaned to me, so I'm going with >>55235274
>>55235262
>isn't it baffling we can buy gold francs from the years such as 1860s for just $400?
Don't know about that specific coin, but there's a lot of "old" coins that have been reissued as bullion coin and the year stamped on it has nothing to do with the year it was minted in.
Stuff like the Austrian 10/20/100 Kronen, or if you want to go silver, Maria Theresa (the underrated booba option (looks a bit like Chris Chan, though)) comes to mind.

>>55235184
Japan should do like the Austrians and restrike historical coins.

>>55228568
sigh. when are these going to be embedded

MODS

One thing I don't understand about the price of gold. Considering the price is kept artificialy low due to a lot of the paper gold being fraudelent, what's stoping the TPTB from simply pumping more fake paper gold to keep the gold price low? This pretty much kills gold as an inflation fighter.

https://medium.com/@piotr.bania/gold-the-biggest-fraud-in-history-834c6757ccb7

>>55237210
just dont fucking buy sovs you tard. they are one of the most faked coins out there. or just buy them from somewhere legit.

High quality 925 coins for 1.56% over spot.

>>55238109
That's a great deal, especially for such high fineness!
I'm always impressed at how razor thin of a margin german sellers are working with. They are buying it back for 9.50€, so that's just 1.10€ arbitrage (and they probably have various fees/taxes eating this margin).
Really honest sellers, but i also see it as a testomony the volumes of sales are large enough for sellers to do well even with thin margins.

So was SETF right?

Just scored a great deal frens!
Pic rel for 18.50€. Contains 44.25gr of fine silver (52.5gr gross weight), so 12.93€/oz of .999 for neat looking imperial coins.

>>55238201
The numbers indicate yes.

>>55234024

Because they engineered the price to rise just before Payday - the goyim buy silver at higher prices, then they’ll drop the price over the weekend/Monday

>>55238201
>rainbow flag
discarded

>>55237545
Nah I meant the dub
Of course I know who the janny is

>>55238109
Tempting. The older ones are always available at that price (or lower) but 1998+ is really rare. Probably only a hand full available and long gone already.

>>55233675
Seems like our pal omnikey is at it again.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SilverDegenClub/comments/144q4eh/the_market_can_stay_irrational_longer_than_you/
Should I report him for visiting an evil Nazi site? Or will I just get banned (lol) again for visiting an evil Nazi site?

>>55236587
>>55237023
>>55237120
>>55237187
Waow, with so many fake coins out there how can stackers be safe? I'm scared. When SHTF, how can we use our gold and silver coins if we can't verify them at each transaction? It seems like the cellular and internet networks would have to keep running. Everyone needs to download the apps now! Data will probably be greatly restricted when SHTF.

>>55237543
The English dub narration is iconic desu.

>>55238609
Imagine having a reddit account
Embarrassing desu

>>55238642
>Waow, with so many fake coins out there how can stackers be safe?
Someone told you at the beginning of the thread. You can easily tell by sound alone.
https://youtu.be/raGAYvO31lg?t=480

>>55236587
>Lads I bought a Sov of some Facebook deal who is usually good but this one has rounded edges almost like it's been clipped.
>>55237023
>Could if just not be really worn?

At first I thought it was a cast fake, but looking more closely at the wear patterns and dings makes me think it's an ex-jewelry coin. The lack of reeding and beveled edge is too suspicious for any forgery so I suspect it was shaved down to fit snugly in a bezel. If genuine it's junk only worth scrap value, but I've seen coins like that with similar wear where there's minimal wear near the edge because the height of the bezel protected it from contact and lots of wear and polish in the center. Coins that had been modified to fit in a bezel and worn as a necklace pendant or used as a fob find their way back into stacks relatively frequently.

>>55238644
r/gundeals fren. Even k uses it. Found a few odds and ends from it myself

>>55238240
Very nice selection frogbro, half are nice enough to keep and the worn ones can be used to pay Jew merchants after SHTF. Do you get much Belgian silver in your quest for cheapies?

>>55238644
Figured I’ll give it a try because, let’s be honest, 4chan sucks and maybe I am just a normie that will feel right at home there.
Turns out I was as wrong.
4chan still sucks, but holy shit, the memes were right ! Reddit is much worse. However it’s fun for the occasional trolling and occasionally there’s a sun that’s OK if you self censor enough to not get kicked out.

>>55238678
Then why is a veteran stacker ITT so uncertain and seeking second opinions here? Why doesn't he just jiggle the coin and instantly know? Plus not every place is quiet. Plus not everyone has good hearing. Not watching your GAY video.

>>55228986

>>55236746
wow very nice. i definitely want one of the hamburg 20 mark too when i start adding the gold mark coins to the collection. get a bremen next

>>55238762
> a veteran stacker
> making noob mistakes like buying a coin that's obviously missing its reeding

>>55231631
Nice try glownog, I stack silver without using my hands.

>>55231631
Don’t shave your hands. You can wax them but you gotta keep it up.

I'm ready for a weekend tamp, I need more cheapies

>>55229878
Gold eagle coins or gold buffalo coins, highly liquid, accepted everywhere.

>>55238751
Been here since 2007. I disagee.

>>55239025
Glowie? I denounce the talmud, satanic jews are going to hell, and jannys are insufferable faggots who still do it for free. Christ is God.

Good morning gentlemen.

>>55237617
"KRUGERRAND" is microlettered at the bottom left, below the hind legs. There's also another set of microlettering that changes position every year iirc.

>>55231631
Is that a Swiss franc? Nice.

>>55239615
I want a 20 gram bar like that but I don't have any money right now.

they tried to cuck the price but were going back up again bros. btw if goldprice isnt loading you can use silverprice

>>55239712
Bought with crypto when I was exiting that space. Overall didn't have a loss since I got physical assets. And where I lost on some shitcoins I made up on others.

Crypto nerds can seethe though.

>>55239009
ty. HH holds a special place in my heart. For me, Frankfurt aM would be next.

>>55238642
People have been using gold and silver as money all over the globe for three thousand years. Do you imagine there are not simple ways to be sure the coin is real? Gold in particular is very difficult to fake successfully.
And modern tech makes it even easier to detect fakes - electronic scales, ping testers, calipers, sigmas etc.

The ease of detecting fakes plus the Isaac Newton approach to fakers clears things up pretty quickly. In a primitive scenario, you hang a sign on your business that says "I test all coins. If you try to pass a fake I will kill you, no questions asked." This will be the law of the land.

>>55240172
Eh my ring has more gold and value

>>55230682
super based. cento are good. be sure they're in olive oil or water. doesn't matter in the boog ofc but if you eat deens regularly the processed poly-unsaturated fats in sunflower oil for instance are horrible for you.

>>55240270
A >20 gram ring? You've peaked my curiosity.

>>55233675
>When everyone is running off of a cliff and screaming at you for walking the other direction, it can feel a little strange
Not just strange, but actually frightening. But for me it was way worse in December 2019.

My cunt is setting up for a major financial catastrophe by the looks of it. Thinking of picking up a bigger stack next time silver drops below $22 USD again or gold gets closer to $1800. You guys think thats a good price to buy at right now?

>>55238642
We literally all decried it as a fake at first glance. Of course everyone should also have a frequency tester and other such verification methods but a lot of these tend to be visibly fake and gay. Even destitute illiterate peasants have been able to sniff out fakes for millenia.

>>55237120
well if it's tested properly it could potentially be heavily polished exjewlery and the mount that was in fucked up the reeding, did the seller say anything about that?

>>55238762
>Not watching your GAY video.
Ralph is a veteran coin collector with 60 years experience, you shut your piehole kiddo.

>>55240395
I paid 23.10 euros/oz for some silver cheapies a few months ago. Now even the cheap Noah's Ark coins are over 26/oz. So there's definitely room for it to drop. Gold isn't as volatile though, so not expecting much of a drop there. In any case, stonks are pumping today, we'll have to wait for them to dooomp eeeet!!!

>>55240341
>peaked
* piqued

>>55238644
I know some people who buy and sell on r/pmsforsale

big silver day today. first pic for now. this could be made into a janny or tranny round. possibly.

If an LCS lists that sells "scruffy" or "2nd quality" silver for bit cheaper would you go for those?

>>55241134
is it something you want or are they at least cheaper than the cheaper coins you can already get?

I've found out a great thing! You see low silver content junk coins go for around spot. The less silver the more copper, like 625er silver coins. You only pay for the silver and get the copper for free!

I'm such a genius omg

>>55241159
People will often favor higher purities over lower purities, check gresham's law. That's why everyone is jonesing to sell off their 40% halves or war nickels etc. at spot. Don't get left holding the bag.

>>55241203
In fact, lower purities (typically <80%) used to sell UNDER spot, and 90% ised to sell for basically melt.

>>55241216
yes yes, but once CuNi becomes worth more it will be considered into the price of junk coins guaranteed

one gluten ball
one ounce of silver

new
>>55241303
>>55241303
>>55241303

>>55241314
epic fail

>>55241314
>1PBTID plebbitor
>is retarded

checks out

I'll make a new thread and will post it when we reach 310 posts.

>>55241366
No, I am

>>55241374
I've got it on standby right now, so no, you won't be making new thread.

>>55241366
checked
>>55241374
You had your chance pleb, no bake for you

NEW THREAD

>>55241427

>>55241414
very nice. i hope they put up the 1oz or 2oz version today. they should have restocks at 4pm mdt today

>>55241434
absolute shit bake

>>55241446
that is what your mom said

Mitchell offers a prediction of the results for the goldmarket: when the manipulation fails, paper and physical prices will separate,with the physical selling for multiples of paper.Similarly silver, with its own unique characteristics for industry andinvestment, is also targeted as a potential refuge for flight from paper,though strangely, above-ground gold is now more plentiful than silver. Addto this a silver short position rolling from one institution to another as eachfails, a 4-year foot dragging investigation into market fraud, and a classaction suit for manipulation and the market has a recipe for a pressurecooker at maximum.Western banks, lacking the gold to cover their obligations, will eventuallydeclare a force majeure—an event supposedly the result of the elements ofnature, as opposed to one caused by human behavior—as a pretext forsettling their obligations in increasingly valueless paper.Where is the resistance to this distortion and corruption of value? Power isflowing East as China and Russia have drawn in massive amounts of goldwhile denying the inflow. The BRICS will unveil a gold backed trade note tosupplant the dollar. Simultaneously, they will force the US debt back homein exchange for real assets, choking the Fed/Treasury on the mountain ofpaper, and grabbing the financial power. This momentous shift is alreadyunderway.What is to be done? Some radical solutions are examined to reset theimbalances of the current system. Money issued directly by the Treasuryinstead of the government would have no debt component, clearing upnumerous imbalances, ending the need for an income tax, and restoringcontrol of money to the people. A Resource Based Economy would endcapitalism, instead focusing on natural resources as common humanheritage. Emphasizing efficiencies, open-source knowledge, and completelyfree goods and services, an RBA would restructure civilization at the rootlevel. Resource waste for profit