/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>55177524
get into management and learn how to manage a nursing home or elderly living community, its about to be one of the biggest industries in the usa for the next 10-15 years as boomers die off

>>55177524

Engineers just have CS envy right now. Also they are "nice guys" who think they deserve money just because they study, instead of the market value they provide.


Here is my (undergrad) list
Great tier
- electrical engineering
- physics
- math
- philosophy
- classics

Good tier
- finance and accounting
- mechanical and chemical engineering
- chemistry
- CS

Ok tier
- biology
- English
- history

Shit tier
- psychology
- any degree that's associate with an industry or has been around less than 100 years.
- pol sci

>>55177524
>more hate for engineering lately

>>55177582
>Engineers just have CS envy right now

i agree with this. I got bs in mechanical engineering and have MBA and my paychecks would be better off if just went comp sci. That being said my job is very very cozy once I got through the shitshow of entry level engineering, and this will probably continue for the rest of my career. Also the last couple years every midwit decided to chase swe because the money was so good. But it seems much easier to learn coding than getting hands on experience in a manufacturing plant or similar job. If I was in uni right now I would definitely study EE or chem E and learn coding on the side and try to get into semiconductors or Pharma. Both industries seem to have no signs of slowing down

>>55177582
Chemistry degree is no better than psychology. I mean you can get a job in the field like QA or some shit, but it pays same as forklift driver or if you're a bench chemist, you can make even less and have to wear hazmat suit. The PhD's that end up in a lab or something make same as a nurse but have to work twice the hours. The degree is fairly difficult (compared to other majors), juice isn't worth the squeeze at all.

I've a degree in the field, got a job in the field and immediately quit for an office job that pays more with half the work. Stay the hell away from the degree... unless you just want to understand nature a little better. It's good for that. It's probably worth the same as a philosophy degree, but definitely don't pay for it.

>>55177524
add comp sci to the sui tier

>>55177678
semiconductors is not a very stable career
>t. EE whose boss was in semiconductors for a while and I wish I did CS instead

>>55177524
Nurse and if you are not nigger cattle you can make admin

I study German and Scandinavian

>>55177524
Art degree drop out here then joined the army.

No I am not kidding. Turns out art school drop rejects/drop outs have a bad history with joining the army after.

I get a lot of bad looks from my co workers when I say I failed art school and joined the army and have become increasingly interested in politics.

>>55177524
I was a mechanical engineer for a decade in 2 name brand aerospace companies. I highly recommend you do not fall for the engineering meme. we are becoming the most outsourced and slowest wage growth occupation. during corona I took a few online cyber security courses and landed a job that pays almost 2x my previous position designing hydraulic sub systems for space craft. right now society isn't focused on innovation or creativity. it's all about online media and maximum consumption of the cheapest products. find a job that plays into one of those two ideas.

>>55177729
If you can't succeed with a chemistry B.S, you can't succeed with anything. Sorry they didn't hand you a lab pharma job after.

You have to, ya know, develop marketable skills to complement your degree.

>>55177582
I don't see how a "classics" major and English are all that different, considering the traditional teaching of those subjects

>>55177582
>classics
What kind of job can I get with a classics degree? Genuinely asking since I've considered becoming a credentialed Romaboo just for fun once I make it.
>inb4 "join the pyramid scheme and teach classics to other classics majors :DDD"

>>55177806
>t. Adolf

>>55178883
That's why I said undergrad. It's great prep for MBA or law, or it's a great general degree.

No, there are no jobs translating Greek literature. You will have to get a normie office job, but that's ok

>>55178768
Are you kidding me? English degrees are basically leftist activism indoctrination. You are going to talk about whatever shitty topic the teacher wants to.

Plus there are no standards. You can write about cumming in your bed sheets.

Classics has a long history, great faculty, and standards. You will learn to read the best books. You will learn to read Greek and/or Latin.

>philosophy being anywhere but top tier
My mind is ineffable and my penis is always serviced by women (female). You damned fools with your little computers. RETVRN.

>>55177582
>classics
>philosophy
>great
>no economics

>>55179026
getting a degree in philosophy is absolutely pointless in useless. 95% of all the important texts in philosophy are public domain. You can read Hegel and Schiller at home.

>>55178894
kek

>>55177524
>E tier
anything that 'requires' a degree
congratulations, you jumped through a hoop
>F tier
everything else

>>55177524
>biology, chemistry, et al. listed 'suicide tier'
>pre-med listed 'god tier'

lol. i think someone who has never went to college made this fr

>>55177524
Nice, but switch accounting with computer science and it's perfect

>>55177524
>2023 Update
This list looks like it's from 2007. Kys.

>>55177678
semiconductors absolutely sucks shit at the bachelor's level

>>55177582
Biology here. there are literally no jobs. I keep my Bio degree off my resume because people just look at you weird for applying outside of the field
>I guess he didn't get into med school
>I guess he couldn't find a job in biology, must be a retard

>computer science
The field is very oversaturated but it still pays the highest if you can become top in your field.

>>55177678
This post was written by a shill but it's correct nonetheless.

>>55179046
Without a phd in philosophy you'll simply be dismissed out of hand in philosophy and theoretical physics circles, no matter how coherent your metaphysics are. Take chris langan for example.

>>55177524
Graduating in Music composition and guitar performance from an Ivy League. Where does biz put me :^) ?

And Yeah fuck you I didn’t get into Julliard suck my dick faggot.

Thoughts about getting a law degree in 2023? Recently got my BA in Business Administration, thinking about going to law school. I'm a little concerned that, unless I get into BigLaw, I won't be making any more money as a lawyer than I would by just getting a normal job and working for 3 years.

>>55179046
And yet you won't take the time. That's true of any field.


The assumption here is that you are going to college already, either for status or fun or whatever. Picking philosophy if it interest you is a great outcome. You learn a lot about important literature to guide your life. You get some good writing and reading skill. Can do well in a professional program or move on and find another way to make money.

It's better than psychology because you actually learn something with substance, not just trend of the year pop social sci.

>>55180104
based
MA in Music chad reporting in

>>55177582
>Great tier
>- electrical engineering
t. nigger that doesnt know anything
people choose EE because it sounds "smarter" than CS but no one works on hardware anymore.

Graduated in 2018, majored in chemistry. Mostly a meme, but there are some decent industrial positions. Very hard to make significant money (>$200k). Personally, ended up going to med school. At this point though, med school is only worth it if you will be doing surgery (roughly 1/6 in my class matched to surgical fields, mid tier md school).

>>55180397
Law school is only worth it at this point if you can get into a top 20 school aka do well on the lsat. Otherwise you're taking a risk and betting on yourself.

Cybersecurity degrees are useless, tired of seeing them so high on these lists. Its all about professional certifications and connections. In fact if you just had the cybersecurity degree without any professional/industry certs you're probably going to be laughed out of the room.

29yrs old going back for premed

What am I in for being this old?

>>55180506
Try to get into dermatology

I got a history degree, is it over for me bros?

>>55178760
>Blah blah blah, didn't succeed.
Who said I didn't succeed? I said the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and I ended up in another unrelated field that pays more.
>Blah blah blah, you didn't get the pharma job
I was offered the pharma job I wanted (they saw my resume online and sent me an offer, I never applied), would have just had to move to a city that was 42% black. I sent a rejection letter back telling them to hire the niggers and beaners and that I wasn't interested.

>>55177582
>great
>philosophy
>classics
Hahaha

>>55180682
>>55177729
And just to clarify, I don't mean to shit on the degree too much. It provided me with a solid mathematical background, I actually understand the scientific foundation of pretty much any field from molecular genetics to quantum mechanics and I can always spot retards that think they understand things they don't. It's actually a super foundation for understanding pretty much ... well everything. There's a reason it's called "the central science" or whatever. But it's not going to land you a good paying job if you stay in that field. Financially, you're better off just getting some shitty retail job or job as an insurance salesman and putting your savings in crypto/stocks/metals than foregoing 4 years of full time employment and having to pay to forego those years. Financially speaking of course. If I didn't have to pay for it and was asked to pick the degree that will help you best give you a foundation to learn anything, I'd still pick chemistry.

>>55180500
Everything electrical is always going to be around and pay.

>>55177524
Shitty list desu. Should be:
>Unbelievable Tier
CS (AI/ML)
Applied Math/Stats (AI/ML or Quant Finance/Econometrics)
>God Tier
EE
ME (Mechatronics/Robotics)
Aerospace
CS (not AI/ML)
>Good Tier
Accounting
Finance
Nursing
Economics
Physics
Pure Math
Applied Math/Stats (not AI/ML or Quant)
>Shit Tier
ME (not Mechatronics/Robotics)
Civil Engineering
Chemical Engineering
Chemistry
>Suicide Tier
Biology
Psychology
Geology
All niche STEM degrees
All business degrees except Accounting/Finance
All humanities degrees

>>55180781
I agree with this list. I’m a college grad from a top US college now in med school (won’t say). Based on the people I’ve met during undergrad, I think aerospace should be lower. Physics should be higher. Someone else can comment on your shit tier except for chemistry, it should stay there, but the rest is good.

>>55180833
Checked and thanks. Aerospace, EE and good MEs make around the same which is why they're in the same tier. Aerospace has the MIC, NASA and SpaceX, etc. which are pretty legit outcomes. Physics/Math are a tier lower because the degrees don't lead to a definitive outcome, though those degree holders are often plain smarter than the "higher" tiers. The other eng's are shit tier because their industries are in the shitter and they are generally dumber.

the suicidal rate in Computer science is higher than anywhere, stop coping kiddo

>>55180866
Yeah, I remember it was really hard finding an EE major, which I think has to do with how lucrative it is. I did meet one ME that wanted to deal with robotics. The rest of the engineering + applied math majors I met were pretty retarded desu. They were doing the most menial python code that even I could do as a pre-med, kek.

>>55180908
Similar experience to me. I was a math + aerospace double major and my overall opinion is that math/physics people are smarter than engineers, and within engineering the more mathy the subject, the smarter they are. So EE and some areas of ME/Aerospace tend to have the smartest people. CS is a mixed bag. It's only the highest tier because it pays so much, but CS grads are overall not smart unless they do AI/ML, again the mathy kind of CS.

I studied philosophy and got expelled, then cybersecurity and dropped out.

I work as an animator in the gaming industry and make more than most of my peers from school.

Personally I think the only reason you should ever go to university is to study computer science.

Everything else is shit tier.

>>55180531
Based. Cybersecurity is a big meme, don’t fall for it.

Do computer science instead, but never rely on your uni to learn anything.

Also teach yourself programming and always work on side projects.

>>55180929
>AI/ML being the mathy side of CS
>Wut are digital design and computational theory

Come on man, you left out the biggest mathy fields in CS.

>>55179505
Just go work at a zoo bro, it's like a dream job. You can LARP as a Steve Irwin kind of guy. Would be fun.

BSc is the new high school diploma.
I did a BSc in electrical engineering and a MSc in Information Engineering / ML, feels like the best of both worlds

>>55177524
Power Engineer 70k/yr full benefits, personal/sick pay and 4% income matching for investing. 6% vacation pay. Overtime 1.5x, 2x after 2 hours of O/T daily. 80 hour biweekly contract, every hour over is 1.5x. I have very good job security, my supervisor leaves me to hangout on my phone all day and I pretty much just work alone and study whatever I want.

I use my education in engineering and real world experience to make rational investment decisions.

My day job is just somewhere I hang around and take liability for the place while I workout, study, monitor building processes and tick all the boxes on the 7 different sheets every day.

Bruh it's about finding somewhere you don't mind hiding out and keeping your head down.

I have been that 150k/yr oil&gas engineer. Means nothing when you work in a toxic wasteland around people you can't fucking stand and you blow it all living in a shithole and you haven't seen a women in a month.

Was cool getting flown around in a heli on some projects but honestly after awhile they just ment extra steps.

Hi I know it’s easy to meme on psych but I know a lot of psych people that went the data Analyst/data science path. It’s genuinely a good foundation in statistics and experimental Design for population studies, which is a massive part of DS. If you pair some basic python and SQL knowledge on the side you can get a cozy gig leading you to the six figures, but I understand the hate for people who choose psych because they’re mentally Ill and trying to self-diagnose.

>>55177524
Why isn't gender studies on the top of the list? I studied that degree and now I earn $125k as a Senior Software Engineer.

>>55180740

Sounds like it did work out for you then.

>But it's not going to land you a good paying job

The list of undergrad degrees that will are limited to exactly the following
- engineering
- accounting/finance
- computer science
- nursing

Every degree requires you to find a different path like you did.

>>55179046
It's good if you're a trustfund kid who needs something to feel alive with, which is why he listed it higher. It's not good for an income though, no, only Medical and Engineering are.

just focus on your strength and don't fall for memes. unironically take whatever people say is the worst if it sounds good to you, it's fine. they love to push these people in front of us that didn't need college and act like it was some genius success story that you can replicate but what they don't tell you is that jeff bezos's billion dollar idea had billions of dollars backing it from the get go. college is pretty useful. highly recommend getting a pell grant or some other financial aid and trying community college and seeing if you want to continue

I'm a math major that's been going to college for like 17 years. It's really fun. I may finish my associate's degree this year or next

>>55177524
correct list i regret going into biotech/pharma like you wouldn't believe. salaried at $43k with a 1hr commute both ways and forced to do 8.5 hr days

>>55180486
>And yet you won't take the time.
absolute non sequitur

>>55181701

Anon, for just a fraction of the time I can teach you all there is to know about gender studies. There's 2 genders. See, that was easy, right?

>>55177524
Teaching gig->>>55183545

>>55180564
A better mindset

I don't know why they're fudding engineering, manufacturing is coming back to the us and there's probably going to be a lot of demand for engineers.

>>55183536
Are you taking the piss? lmao

>>55180781
>All business degrees except Accounting/Finance
HRM is God tier if you're a fat feminist roastie or a tranny. It's all a matter of perspective.

>>55177524
I got my bachelor's degree in accounting and worked as an accountant for a few years and it fucking sucked, I do not recommend it to anyone unless you absolutely love accounting. I ended up teaching myself SQL and currently work as a business intelligence engineer, my company paid for me to get my MBA which I completed last year. Just started making six figures this year, I would be lucky to crack $60k if I stayed in accounting.

>>55180886
That's intended.
Engineers retooling to learn to code is fine.
Business majors trying to learn to code is another thing entirely.

>>55183605
>things will be better guys!!
lol lmao even

>>55183605
>manufacturing is comeing back to the us
(X) doubt

>>55184747
>>55181675
Tired of seeing BI/data analyst shills trying to pedal retards into an over saturated field making 40k/yr. Fuck off.

>>55177524
I'm an accountant but this is what I've seen:

Great tier:
CS/anything tech
Medicine - almost anything
(I'd also probably put some finance/accounting jobs here, some engineering ones, high level science jobs - there is a little overlap, but overall tech and medicine seems unbeatable)

Good tier:
Finance/accounting
Most types of engineering
Trades
Physics, maths, etc. - hard sciences that actually land jobs

ok tier:
softer sciences
english
history
teaching


in my personal opinion cs/tech right now beats everything, i wish i did it instead of accounting, considering a CS masters to switch careers rn.

>>55184934
It's no more oversaturated than any programming field, plus since it's a combination of finance and data there are fewer people with the skillset and education required for those positions.

I'm not saying it's for everyone but I've been in this field only about five years and it's treated me very well so far.

>>55184866
where else is manufacturing going to go?
India sided with russia, china's bridge has been burnt, there's some going to mexico... the cost of transportation is pretty high and inflation has made paying $15 an hour for a factory worker even a good proposition to just get rid of all the hassle that comes with international trade. Did I mention the tarrifs?
There's also news of factories opening up in detroit and stuff.

I dont see music education listed. Im assuming that's unbelievable tier?

>>55185172
There will be permanently less factories, less productivity and less wealth.
>but the free-market will fix it by recycling capital and talent!!
lol lmao even

>>55177524
>What does /biz/ recommend studying in 2023?

Youtube tutorials and just saying you have a degree. No one has ever checked for mine

>>55177582
God tier. I bartend and make a comfy six figures working five nights a week. Home before 11pm. Learn about markets from wealthy people and move my money accordingly. Also if you are mid tier looking or above with a brain, great female prospects

>>55183910
no i love college

>>55177524
>computer science
>unbelievable

Max cringe bro.

t. CS grad

>>55183556
Pharma can be pretty awful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah2tbJg9_MI

>>55183536
>I'm a math major that's been going to college for like 17 years. It's really fun. I may finish my associate's degree this year or next
Wat. 17 years in college and just now finishing your associate’s?

>>55184747
>I would be lucky to crack $60k if I stayed in accounting.

i made 60k after 3 months experience in accounting (left my first job that paid 38k after 3 months)

but yeah the salaries are a lot worse than anything tech. im thinking of swapping.

>>55179973
> Without a phd in philosophy you'll simply be dismissed out of hand in philosophy and theoretical physics circles

Avoiding circles of kikes and faggots is a good thing

imagine never going to class, partying/gaming all 4 years, making a decent gpa, getting the paper, and now 5 years out making 75k+ and never really ever trying. oh wait but my degree is comm studies so im suppose to be unhappy lmao.

>>55179505
1 year graduated as a bio major and Im currently working as a personal trainer. Ive sent hundreds of resumes to healthcare and biotech jobs and got nothing. Considering taking GRE and going for a masters and just digging a deeper financial grave because I really want to get into the science field

>>55180564
If you get anything below straight As you arent premed anymore buddy. And if you arent doing at least 20 hours of work in a healthcare field a week starting by your 2nd year of undergrad you arent pre med anymore either. Its retarded how competitive it is these days

>>55185584
I’m in med school. It only gets worse after undergrad. If you’re not going to be happy doing primary care and making 250-300k, then don’t go. Most specialties are impossible to get in without working 80+ hours a week in studying and publishing research.

>>55177524
I make $106k a year with my pol sci degree. Meanwhile I know a guy with a phd in CS who’s unemployed. Results may vary.

>>55178883
Tune Latine scis? Si non scis, tunc magister non eris. Etiam pauper eris.

>>55177524
Your OP picture is pretty spot on. If you have enough brain power to be a software engineer you should absolutely go that route. No other job with a legitimate and straightforward path for an average performer to make $200k+ after a few years and $300k long term.
>t. SWE

>>55177582
>great
>philosophy
>classics
they're great if you're a midwit faggot who wants student loan debt but doesn't want a job

>>55177524

I have a double major in Economics and Accounting. Plus, a double minor in Business management and Statistics.

>>55180104
alright rivers cuomo

>>55180564
Do something that is still pre-med but actually affords you a job if you decide to change your mind, like Biostatistics.

>>55183564
Cry more and tell me about all the resources on the internet you could be reading.

>>55177524
>pre med

>>55180686
>>55185792
Middle class poor fag W2 wagies.

>>55180500
Look outside of the current year brainlet. These things come and go. right now CS is hot. But guess what EE is still better preparation to be a programmer than CS except at a top 5 program.

I had to drop out three classes short of getting my Bachelors in Fine Art; literalky just ran out of money n refused to take out more loans. Been stuck in wagie hell for half a decade now, just about ready to an hero. Thinking of returning to school to get a degree in CompSci but im retarded (wow surprise) and have difficulty with math. Thinking of just going innawoods, too. I feel trapped.

>>55185392
I've retaken some classes, and I've got enough credits that I'll be nearly done with my bachelor's by the time I earn my associate's degree because I've switched from comp sci major to just taking classes to make my family happy to switching to math major and I have to do calc 2 and physics to get my associate's. I failed calc 2 because I tried taking it ~15 years after calc 1 and I was working 80 hours w/ 0 time to drill. Over the years I've just attended off and on and I like being a student and putting effort into each class instead of just memorizing for tests. I've been trying to time my return to utilize a student loan to buy LINK but I haven't felt the time is right

>>55177582
>tfw philosophy grad
Now what?

Some of you here massively overestimate engineering and aerospace.
Also being ME is also equal to being aero ME...
Cad & cams do not differ much and as far as you made some proper 4-5 axis machining you should handle aero pretty easily.
Also robotics > aero ; all day, every day.
Huge aerospace companies are actually exremely underpaying their stuff (easy workforce).
Doubt coding is harder to learn yet in my country it pays atleast double I can get from ME + aero

>>55187078
This is a US centric thread

>>55177524
mfw bachelors in compsci
only started working at 25, chilled mostly in between
make more money than architect friend with a master and 2 years of experience
fucking top kek it really is this easy

>>55180564
As someone about to graduate residency in 3 weeks. For the love of god just match a cush specialty like Anesthesia, rads, psych.

Smile and nod at the morons in your class memeing into surgery/specialty IM/IR.

>>55180506


Low IQ take right here. Yes lets match surgery so I can be 45 coming in at 3 AM for call making the same/MAYBE slightly more than my Rads, Gas, Derm counterparts.

Medscape Salary data:
Diagnostic Rads - $437k - Can literally be done remotely at home if you want, very flexible schedule, averages 8-12 WEEKS of vacation per year.
Derm - $438k - Can be purely outpatient, quick clinic visits, no emergencies/call if you don't want.

Psych (slept on) - $287k - Average work week is literally 3-40 weeks outpatient, no call, no weekends or holidays. If you do cash only practice can ez make > $300k/yr.

Gas - $405k - Less call than surge counterparts, less hours worked in general.

Unless you're doing neurosurgery (enjoy your 7-9 years of 80+ hour weeks for residency), few surgical specialties gross >$500k on average and generally are shittier lifestyles/longer and harder training and overall more stressful.


t. PGY3 IM soon to be hospitalist. Just signed for $270k 1 week on 1 week off. If I could do it over I would probably do Rads.

>>55177524
Aren't entry tech jobs a complete shitshow right now?

>>55185369
carry on then

>>55177524
I know this is for undergrads but where would /biz/ rank law school (JD)?

>>55182469
Then every degree is financially a horrible decision.

If you're a brainlet, you have 3 choices.
>Military
>Nursing
>Trades

And yes, accounting was great around 10 years ago but they're currently replacing every accountant with an AI model at the top. I don't think you want to be filing taxes for old ladies all day, do you?

>>55185126
>english
How are English and history ok tier? Unless you're using one of them for an easy GPA to springboard you into med school or law school, they're shit tier if not suicide tier.

I had a suicide tier major (psych) and I'm a data analyst making 90k/yr
>if you make less than 120 youre a failure
Maybe but I only started working in the field three years ago. Can easily get a job that pays that much next job

>>55177524
Yes, engineering is shit right now. No one I kept in touch with after became an actual EE. CS if you want to be in tech and chase remote work, which is the most important thing.
If not tech, be either MD or nursing. MD sounds like you'll work your guts out, but only career that exists where youre guaranteed >200k. Nursing if not that motivated and just want employment optiosn out the ass.

Yes, fuck engineering, waste of a career, working class shit occupation.

>>55187784
>>if you make less than 120 youre a failure
I don't see why this would be true, not everyone has the same priorities. I'd keep my sub 120k wfh job if the alternative meant working in a cuck pod/office.

>>55177541
fuck that, just sell those nursing homes software

>>55187730
cool it with the antisemitism remarks

>>55177541
fuck that, just buy some nursing home stocks

>>55187513
Based. Thank you for posting this. Saved.

>>55187711
Don’t do law school, med school, or any postgrad schooling unless you’re 1000% it’s the only thing you want to do in life. Weigh out your options. From people that I’ve met, if you’re not going to a T20 US law school, then you’re going to have a rough existence as a lawyer. But if it’s what you want to do, then do it.

>>55177524
STEMsissies not like this...

>>55179026
Philosophers worth reading mostly didn't have degrees. Certainly not philosophy degrees. If you want to prepare yourself for law school or medical school then it's fine but there's other choices too.

I really don't understand why people here are talking about MBAs. That degree was valuable circa 1980. The subject isn't any better than general business and not intellectually challenging in the slightest

I have a math bachelors, what should I do to get into Quant?

>>55180104
You are a retard for paying money to practice an instrument. And paying Ivy League prices.

> 2.9 GPA
> $320k income by the time I hit 30
Computer Science really is life on easy mode.

>>55177524
How is CompSci at the top? ChatGPT can write code. I'm shitting my pants right now because all of the entry level stuff when I'm done with my degree is going to be done by AI.

>>55180564
What does the cube represent/

>>55186056
Bro EE grads can only program in python. Get fucked.

>>55180886
jeet shitters dont count

>>55187730
On its own? Yes almost worthless. That's why this thread is filled with people complaining Not matter what degree they have.

Good study that actually teaches you stuff combined with any kind of business skill and effort ? Very valuable.

>>55188928
The Kaaba. A cube in Mecca that muslims consider to be the house of God.

>>55177806
ok Hitler

>>55187078
In the US, aerospace is the best paying engineering niche because the MIC is constantly flush with government money and the engineer supply is restricted by clearances. It's a comfy gig if you can get in. Non-US countries are undoubtedly worse.

>>55189262
>with any kind of business skill and effort
Someone with this would've succeeded without the degree then. The degree in most cases is just to get past the artificial wall everyone has decided on for no actual reason.

>be midwit son of poor retard parents
>get out of military and immediately start community college without having a plan or knowing how anything works
>squander financial aid withdrawing from classes and taking ones I ended up not needing
>finally get CNC programming degree after 6ish years of inconsistent effort
>boomer mfg owners only care about work experience
>can't even land an entry level minwage CNC operator job
>work and quit a handful of shitty jobs until I snap and stay unemployed for months
>still have GI bill and childhood dream of being an engi
>start the BS mech eng route at 31, paying out of pocket until confident
If this doesn't pan out I'm going to finally develop pic related and test it on myself

>>55188928
Blender3D

>>55189435
Unironically switch to CS unless you really know that ME is your thing.

>>55189435
You’re doing better than 90% of the people that visit this site. I believe in you anon. You’re gonna make it. You got this!

college is an usury scam. I'm depressed and i wish i didn't go.

>>55189275
No it represents the tefillin. The cube and leather strap Jews wear. The Kabaa gets mention because of the circular movement around it that looks like the poles of saturn. But the connection is vague as Saturn doesnt mean anything to muslims.

>>55179036
Why would you do economics when accounting has real fiscal options behind it. I could see economics as a minor but only to a second degree.

>>55179505
That sounds depressing anon

>>55187744
>Nursing
What am I missing here? Just about every girl who had a 4.0+gpa would always say that they were gonna do nursing. Inb4 retards can still have high gpa, why does it attract these types of people if it's for brainlets?

>>55187803
>tfw when you choose "environmental engineering"

>>55180506
>majored in chemistry
>mostly a meme
>leads directly to industrial positions.
That's the whole fucking point

>>55190712
Just learn about rocks and shit in case you ever need to sell your soul

I'm 26.5 years old. 300k in crypto, 25k neetbux.

What degree should I get? I like finance/trading & systems programming

I want to be rich. Should I try to get into quant finance or is it too late?

Honestly these tier lists are retarded, every stem single stem degree gives you the opportunity to make money if you pick up the right courses during your masters

>>55178760
>develop marketable skills to complement your degree.
By marketable skills do you mean "networking" and "knowing the right people". Elaborate

>>55180486
Philosophy is no doubt a pretty cool subject, but for the majority It is generally a bad decision assuming most people go to college with the intent of a good paying job behind their degree.

>>55190777
bump

>>55190839
You have a school in mind?

I got an economics degree. I don’t love my job but it’s easy and it’s always been really easy for me to find a job.

>>55190844
I'd have to start at a mid-tier university in Canada

>>55190861
Are you considering any online schools? I've been considering dabbling with finance and light programming tools.

>>55190868
Not a chance. I want to find a waifu.

>>55177582
EE and ME should be equal, same jobs for same pay typically. Chemical and Civil belong one tier below. Computer eng. Belongs one tier above.
>math, philosophy, classics
You got a rich family or planning onbgoing to law school? Because otherwise avoid these meme degrees.

>>55190870
>Waifu
Why else would physical schools exist amiright? But I think Data Analytics is kinda what getting at. I had the general idea similar to yours in my mind before I started doing research.

>>55190777
I can foresee you having two issues in finance. The first is not unique to you. It’s that finance jobs suck. The work is shitty, the people are shittier. You work all the time in grey cubes under fluorescent lights in a grey steel and glass building in a grey concrete city. You make good money but it’s miserable. The second problem is that you might fight agism. High finance survives off young retards that are willing to give their entire lives to their boss for a six figure paycheck. If you’re 26 now, you’ll be 30 when you graduate, and a lot of offices will hesitate to hire you because they doubt you’ll have the energy or willingness to do what the young retards do. You can get it, but it could be tough. Honestly, I would say it’s not worth it, but if it’s what you really want to do you’ll find a way to make it work. Personally, I would take my money and pursue something more worthwhile.

I recently got my doctorate of dental surgery and it feels good to finally get paid now lol
i love it

>>55190905
>I would take my money and pursue something more worthwhile.
I appreciate the response, and I think I agree with your assessment.

What do you personally think is the most /biz/ major where agism doesnt matter, something that could lead to a lucrative business fairly easily

>>55190991
I think the hard truth is that ageism always matters somewhat in business because what people really want are energetic young slaves that will work as hard and as long as possible for the minimum necessary to survive or keep working. That’s more or less how salaried work is in reality and that’s what college graduates are. However, I can say it’s less the case in non-profits, specifically universities. I can tell you it’s fairly common to people start university faculty and administration careers in their 30s and 40s. It’s less common in law but it still happens. But I think you should just take advantage of your position. If you’re going to go university, go Because you’re working for a profession you find sincerely worthwhile and not only because it makes money. If you want to make real money you’ll do that owning a business, not working for someone else.

>>55181009
> Cybersecurity is a big meme, don’t fall for it.
I disagree here, plenty of money to be made in the business, but its a specialisation that you shouldn't really bother getting a degree for. Shit like CISSP, CompTIA S+ and so on are cheaper than a Cybersecurity degree and are far more likely to get you a job in the industry. The industry itself is just a glorified marketing job, you basically just go into some shitty business that some "hackers" have fucked over (Owner is probably watching porn on his Admin level computer account) and sell them a subscription to whatever other cybersecurity company that monitors threats. Its rare that you're actually writing code or stopping hackers, its braindead system hardening shit that NPCs neglect. Not much different to how regular security jobs are just installing a camera and telling the retard in charge to stop using Masterlock brand locks

>>55191187
Im in a cybersecurity degree and it gets you 60k+ jobs immediately in a city with a GDP the size of Dallas.

Fairly respected degree in the region.

But yeah it's IT shit. It's not competitive enough for the big leagues of tech. So I'm leaving

>>55191058
Honestly this is incorrect, the industry runs off when you got your degree / how recent is your tech ability.

And as for above, people can do business school at 30 and get an associate job in finance and skip the young shit

Honestly just testing you, you have a retarded mindset

>>55191308
I spoke from direct experience in high finance. And the person in question isn’t considering an MBA. He doesn’t even have a bachelor’s degree or any work experience. He’s be late 30s post-MBA at most and trying to get hired as an associate junior banker or something. Is it doable? Sure. Is it likely? No. Is it even desirable? Probably not.

You just don’t know what you’re talking about here.

Back in 2012 when I started CS on the old chart it was just good/average tier. Now it's the envy of the economy.

>>55177524
finance is not god tier you stupid jew

>>55177582
>Also they are "nice guys" who think they deserve money just because they study, instead of the market value they provide.

That isn't engineering at all, those are med-associated majors and some of the non marketable sciences like bio/chem alone. Engineers are purely check chasers.

>>55178883
If you want a job learn how to weld. If you want to be educated study classics.

>>55180781
>>55180929
ai is a meme
there is no 'ai' its just machine learning ml shit its just bot
jews are organic bot
ai are jew poos

I think the saddest part about this thread is reading people who chose fields, I'm assuming because they were interested in them, get depressed because they aren't paid well. The thing about this list is that the S and A tier stuff will in the coming years/decade will face the same situation the others have faced. An increased educated population leads to more competition. Personally I don't know if there will be a tipping point with this. Some jobs really don't deserve to be paid out for the stuff they do, but that's the world we live in.

>>55190905
I'm an engineer, 30, with an amazing resume (on paper). I don't know what to do with myself. I'm planning on big3 consulting to use it as a springboard for an ivy MBA. If I get that, then I figure I can be lazy for the rest of my life. Problem is I already have a quarter mil, so my motivation to slave away isn't there. But my money making capacity as an engineer is in bumfuck nowhere, and I can't take it anymore. If I want to be with my family then it's all city shit like finance or consulting.

What avenue do you recommend? I just want an easy ride.

>>55191413
AI/ML is a total meme, but that's why it's so hyped up and retarded VCs throw so much money at it. After taking one course in it you realize it's all just slightly fancier statistical models. It's honestly amazing how big the grift has become.

>>55192936
It doesn't matter how it does it what matters is what it does.

>>55191513
You don’t need consulting to get into an MBA. You can get in as an engineer. Just take the GMAT and score as high as possible. But you won’t get to be lazy for the rest of your life. You will probably find the jobs you get after an MBA are more or less the same as being an engineer, maybe more work for more pay and that the only employees who get a free pass to be lazy are civil servants and school administrators and tech geeks with remote jobs that get away with doing nothing even when they’re not supposed to. I’m very negative on MBAs personally. I think people should do better things with their life than chasing MBAs and jobs with paychecks. I mean, you’re an engineer for ffs. You’re already in the top 10% of the US for sure and top 1% globally. I know you say it’s bumfuck now where but I guarantee you are at least upper middle class income for your age bracket. Why don’t you try to find something you actually want to do with your life? Maybe that’s getting rich, in which case, go for it but the MBA won’t get you there. MBAs are for the most highly rewarded wage slaves, and if that’s all you want so you can work in finance to be with your family then go for it. Just know what’s you’re buying when you buy one. That’s just my 2 cents.

>>55187744
You clearly know nothing about accounting. AI replacing accountants is a meme that people who don't know what accountants actually do think is happening. It's like the people who think accountants are good at math, but we don't do much math as Excel does all of it and all we need are basic arithmetic skills. As for doing taxes for old ladies, accountants are not the type you see working at H&R Block, you know? For one, most accountants are not tax accountants and two, tax accountants typically do returns for businesses and rich people. FYI, our field has a shortage of people and is easy to find work in.

22 years old and starting law school at an ivy, Good decision?

>>55177524
>CS, accounting/finance
who's going to tell him...?

>>55190698
I'm an ex-NEET for 12 years back in education for nursing. A complete brainlet but I'm on track to graduate in 1 year with jobs already lined up offering $50-60 an hour in NYC. My class is full of braindead women but they still manage to pass. C+ minimum and only 1.5years investment for a 100k job starting as a guy. The state will pay or offer 4% loan on top of certain jobs that'll pay your loan by 5-20k easy.

>>55177541
good advice.
>>55177524
OP, I fell for the STEM meme and graduated with a EE degree in 2009 from a top 10 engineering school. I think my program was ranked 7th or so. Anyway, it has never gotten me a job in engineering. I guess I could’ve parlayed it into a youtube career (laseranon) or a business (build my own X and watch chink suppliers copy it), but after spending 4 years studying math you don’t really think along those lines. Management has been a relatively good career for me though.

Marine Biologist here. Best 6 year vacation of my life. Learned to scuba dive, salied the seas, got to see a lot of wonderful marine creatures up close, fucked a lot of girls and traveled to many exotic lands. When the time came to look for a job, I just came back home and became a landlord.

>>55193343
cow tits are not aesthetic desu

>>55192997
I have an almost perfect GMAT score, 50 points over the median for harvard. But I have no leadership experience, zero extracurriculars, and a GPA well below the automatic cutoff point.

I'm in the process of interviewing to the big3 consulting firms, but getting cold feet. The downside (80h/week slavery) is real, the upside (h/s/w admission) is a gamble.

Surely there must be a better way, I just don't know how to find it. Thanks for the advice, though. I don't think it's worth becoming a lifeless, childless, friendless husk like the finance bros.

>>55185551
Kek I work at a call center (although I take chats not calls). Back in school for CS because I do have a security clearance

>>55188769
it’s for the connections, brougham - but you also learn history, theory, counterpoint, conducting, aural training, pedagogy, arranging/orchestration, music technology... also, the guidance you get paired with self-discipline will get you playing at a level far higher than the average normie. you quickly realize tiktok memes like moonlight sonata mvt. III and flight of the bumblebee are easy af and nothing compared to what you learn at a good school even if you’re not a performance major.

>>55193508
Do you even want to do an MBA? If you have an undergraduate GPA below the cut off point, it suggests to me that you’re not as much of an academic striver as someone gunning for an Ivy League MBA normally would be.

Honestly, you are probably doing fairly well for yourself. If you want to get really rich, an MBA won’t get you there. And if you want to do anything else with your life other than make more money, an MBA won’t get you there either. So if it were me, I would just take some time to think about what I really want to do with my life. When I die, I won’t give a fuck if I was an engineer or a financier I think and once I’m gone nobody else will give a fuck which one I did either. This is why I think MBAs are retarded. Sure they can get you into investment banking or consulting, where you can make more money than most wagies and a lot less money than actually rich people but hate your life while you do it.

>>55193343
So you are a trust fund kid that leveraged mom’s and dad’s money to buy real estate or what? Obviously it’s not useful advice for someone without money.

>>55193141
It depends on how much you’re paying.

>>55177524
>physicist = suicide
>nursing = god tier
Needs swapping
>t. Physicist married to a nurse

>>55194098
I'm just teaching you how life is supposed to be lived. Peace!

>>55194138
> just have rich parents
I’m sure everyone really appreciates that advice

I’m curious what people think about pursuing a graduate degree at an older age, like say, early 30s.

>>55177524
Comp sci / economics / cold war history master race reporting in.

>>55194084
>what you really want to do with you life.
Right. I've never had a job I enjoyed. All jobs are just so that I can pay rent, and then park the rest of the money in blue chips.

There's also the impression that you can never get off the treadmill. If I take a sabbatical, I might become unemployable and have to start at $50k again. So I figured that an ivy MBA would "lock in" my gains at a high floor. The more I look into it, though, the more it seems like everything is priced in and that there's no escape.

I can figure out that $150k consulting is about $30/h (kek). I know what I don't want to do, but I don't know how to figure out what I DO WANT "to do with my life". Otherwise, I'd be working towards that in a straight line...

>>55193343
I hate normalfags so fucking much it's unreal

>>55194494
I guess the good news is that if you don’t know what you want to do, you know what you have to do: figure out what you want to do.

>>55192951
"What it does" is often vastly overstated. Not to take away from the legit accomplishments of the field; the meme is that AI/ML is super advanced tech and a panacea for all technical problems, when really it's not very complicated and its results are only as good as the data you train your models with.

>>55188512
Are you implying that Diogenes didn't go to college?

>>55193508
>become raid leader in WoW
>put it on your resume because that’s all you have
>explain how managing DKP, time schedules for 40 people, etc. is just like managing wagies
it works anon, don’t give up

>>55188512
They also lived in a time where college wasn’t as pervasive and served a nearly different purpose entirely. For us, college can serve a function almost analogous to the medieval monastery, which did have philosophers. So wouldn’t it stand to reason that the modern college would be a place for philosophers? You wouldn’t encourage a writer to live like a court poet after all.

>>55177524
I have a degree in Management Information Systems. What do you recommend job wise?

>>55194084
>What do you want with life
But desu isn't work just for making enough money to actually make it with investing and then retire early? I don't want to work, but I need to work

I'm 26, just started working and I hate it already because my time and youth are bleeding away just so I can pay rent.

I want to travel the world and fuck escorts desu, not be a wagie. That's how I think about degrees, some jobs pay more, some less, but it's all just work in the end. I can't help but dream of making it with stocks.

>>55177524
Math

>>55177524
>Ascended Tier: NEET

>>55195380
Isn't the point of Suttons bitter lesson that classical AI methods of 'just throw more compute at a lookup table' work extremely well and that AI methods which are more complex and elegant don't really work
Just because it's simple, doesn't mean it won't change your life

>>55196402
I think a job is necessarily for the purpose of making money, but work doesn’t necessarily need to be expressly about making money. If you don’t want to get nuanced about the meaning of the word “work” we could say people work on art all the time, without any consideration for money at all. Why do priests become priests? If it was just about money, they’d be wasting their time working as priests. I think you get what I’m trying to say here. Still, I see your point because you’re presumably not an artist or a priest. Unfortunately, I don’t have a clear answer for you. It’s your life and you’re ultimately going to have to decide how to spend it. You can chase money, time, artistic pursuits, a laid back sort of lifestyle. I can’t really tell you that one is better than the other and neither can anyone else. My only point about the MBAs is that if you want to get rich to buy your freedom, an MBA will never get you there. An MBA will get you a job that pays you more than other wagies, but less than actually rich people who don’t have jobs but rather own companies and massive real estate portfolios and just enough for you to keep working but feel better about it and buy nicer shit. If that’s what you want, go ahead and buy an MBA. I just think people should consider what they’re buying. You’re buying a more highly paid career, but not so highly paid that you’ll escape having to have a career altogether. In fact, you’ll probably have to invest more of your life into your career and not less.

>>55188864
Just don't be a webshitter doing a job that can be done by pajeets and robots. The whole point of a compsci degree is that it allows you to get into more advanced shit like AI and cybersec.

What about GIS?

>>55196459
ai is a meme out of jews ass
there is no 'ai' its just machine learning ml shit its just bot
jews are organic bot
ai are jew poos
ai in mandarin is 哀 means grief and unfortunate
don't use ai
use ml or bot for meme word

>>55179036
Economics is less rooted in reality than philosophy, philosophy is gauging reality, economics is based around human behavior. Study finance or accounting or supply chain management before Econ.

>>55189435
What do they teach you for a CNC programming degree? Softwares that export 3D curves into gcode or something?

If you go ME and pick a stable, boring job like manufacturing (or construction, auto etc) you’ll be fine. The union hours can suck but also have their benefits. If you learn enough and make enough you can eventually buy yourself a CNC/welder and go into contract work to make $$$. Auto enthusiasts will pay a shitload for one-off custom parts.

>>55177524
i have a finance/accounting bachelors and im back in school for CS after waging in finance for a year

might go back been getting a lot of high paying offers from recruiters

>>55177524

Should take Finance out of God tier move it to hood and Add Maths to God Tier. Math & Physics PhDs who can code run finance now

>>55180781

This is it

>>55196932
I interviewed at a place called Percheron that deals with GIS people. The dumbasses took me to the final interview and were like "well we like you, BUT this position requires a GIS degree so sorry". Like dipshit why did you even waste my time to begin with?

>>55196402
if you invest that 300k wisely you can travel the world, live cheaply, and fuck 3rd world whores for the rest of your life. fuck an actual job.

>>55197322
Where'd I say I have 300k? I wish I did. I've got about 7K to my name, kek, I really just started working. I'll have to wage and build the folio for some time because even a 10x will not truly change much for me

>>55177524
Computer science in top tier is retarded. Was in programming class and they said that 50% of the knowledge you learn will be obsolete in 5 years. Its better to get certifications saying you know x skill company wants. Also AI and outsourcing to india is going to reduce wages unless you are senior engineer tier.

Also how is marketing under aerospace engineering? theres 10x more marketing jobs

>>55189487
I'm still tempted to after watching a bunch of advice videos, but I'm almost certain that ME is where I belong because I've been into design and DIY/maker crap my whole life

>>55189545
Thanks anon, for a 4chan reply that actually means a lot

>>55197037
The courses I had to take were blueprint standards, manual machine shop, manually writing programs for a modified old Bridgeport with a pen in the chuck, programming specifically for Haas machines, and CAM programming complex crap with Fusion 360. Even though the department was a shitshow, they still offered some fun "electives" like basic electronics and 2D/3D drafting. I REALLY want to work in design but I know automation/mechatronics is the ideal route, and yeah, I definitely want to invest in my own workshop someday.

>>55190845
Can confirm. Econ is the best bachelors if you can live with <$150k in exchange for a stress-free career.

Getting the first job right out of college was a bit rough, but managed to secure one before I graduated. Once I got the "2-years experience" powerup recruiters started messaging me, just past 5 years and now I get three offers a week even with my linkedin set to "not looking".

>>55189435
My brother is halfway through a BS in Mechanical Engineering at 30 right now. I’m trying to convince him not to drop out. It is really a no brainer in my opinion. I would even like to see him go all the way for a PhD.

>>55180988
Are you in CA? How long did it take for you to land your first job in animation?

I'm a nurse.

I don't think nursing is God tier. I think it's more good tier. Perhaps i am wrong, can someone shine some light on it? I'm currently making $39/hr plus $5 for night shift (44/hr total). That's without overtime

Pic related for visibility. Leave me alone jannies

>>55180740
I can empathize.
>go biochem, gonna make the doctor bigbux
>realize I really hate doing math all of the time, going to school, don't wanna doctor
>fellow top students are retards
>professors become more incoherent, squinty, and melanin-rich as years go by, while actual geniuses retire and have strokes before my eyes
>work an internship at a water analysis lab, find out I am also competing with barely sentient good-old-boy boomers for industry positions making $18/hr right out the gate
If I were interested in chemistry, or any science, really, I'd look up the best textbooks on a given industry (petroleum, nuclear, batteries, etc), read those while working literally anywhere else. I'm currently working as an accountant, do barely any work, and already have better prospects than if I were to dedicate my whole life to chemistry. Although with my knowledge of chemistry, like you said, I have an excellent foundation for understanding any field, but turns out fiddling with graphs in excel and being really anal about taking measurements prepares you for 80% of what the "real world" throws at you.

I think the only real option to guaranteed make money and not sell your life away is to just sell drugs or be a pimp.

>>55177524
From your image the only things worth studying are the ones you listed as shit tier.

>>55198725
If you’re under 35 and live anywhere other than Boston, New York, or San Francisco then $44/hr is pretty incredible.

>>55177524
I work in computer science and don’t have a degree. Who the fuck actually pays money to learn IT?

>>55178731
I've seen this in 2014 and dropped from EE to chase midwit vfx/videographer jobs
Literally every fucking moron what's to make content.

>>55181211
This is sad, compared to CS. For example, I've been a software engineer for 3 1/2 years now. I'm currently making $106.5k base + $123k after benefits. I also have a promotion coming up in July and then expect to be making about $122.5k base + $141.4k after benefits. Additionally, I get unlimited PTO (which I cap at about 6 weeks per year), my health/eye/dental is 100% employer paid, and I am 100% WFH (though if I did go into the office I would have beer on tap, hard cider on tap, kombucha on tap, a ton of free snacks, and a free cafe). Lastly, I very, very rarely ever have to work overtime, and for the most part really only need to work 4-5 hours a day to get my tasks done, plus oversight is very lax, where some days I don't even work at all. Oh, and I live in a cheap east coast city, where I can pay $325 to $500 for a place with roomates or $850 for a one bedroom.

>>55197489
>50% of the knowledge you learn will be obsolete in 5 years

Retard take. I went to school for a BS in CS from 2006 to 2010. Then, all through my 20's, I barely ever worked full time or tech, and mostly just travelled a lot and spent a lot of time in PNW forests. At age 2019, though, and age 33, I decided to get into software dev, and self taught web dev, as well as brushed up on back-end. And guess what, very little has changed, sans the UI, which is quick to learn. It's still object oriented monoliths and data driven microservices. A for loop is still a for loop. A ternary statement is still a ternary statement. A factory is still a factory. The domain layer is still the domain layer and the application layer is the still the appliation layer. Front end has change a bit, what with stateless functional becoming the standard, but this shit is fast to self teach, too. Yes, Python is more abbreviated than Java or C++ and it has some wierder parts, like the lack of primative types for objects only, but it is indeed mostly still all the same shit. You just cucked yourself, due to listening to same braindead professor who told you lies...Oh, and I'm making almost $150k now, despite only being in the industry a couple years and not starting until age 33.

I love my job as a dev but I'm pretty lucky. I got a job as the only dev at a small radio engineering firm. Basically it's a bunch of old af radio engineers, electrical engineers, and electronics guys who need a computer nerd to write code and tell them how to use bash properly. They literally see me as some kind of autstic wizard because while they're all tech literate enough to know how to use Linux, they aren't autistic enthusiasts like I am. It's pretty fucking comfy just writing code for them and helping them automate random shit; and they're actual fucking grateful about it.

I worked at a mega corp for 2 years and hated it after just a few weeks. Seriously questioned if CS was the right path for me but I'm happy I stuck with it. You gotta find a job as a programmer in an industry/company that's just transitioning to automation. Hell in the CS industry is other programmers. 80% of devs at big companies suck ass and the 20% who are good either leave within a year or 2 or just become jaded and bitter. The pay was better but you basically wanted to fucking kill yourself.

>>55188633
You kinda need a PhD

Education is so shit, I got fired for teaching students the trolley problem despite showing it's an actual topic and lots of well-performing schools integrate it into their curriculum.
Probably better outside the USA, though.

>>55199072
I live in Miami. I think it pairs with those places you mentioned. It's almost California tier

>>55199499
>>55199072
Forgot pic

wtf why is everyone hyping nursing?

>>55198411
Sounds like any shop would gladly take you on.
>I REALLY want to work in design
Maybe look into working for a university in a lab machine shop and see if you can get free/reduced tuition? My old shop manager in school (ME) did that but then just never left. He’d audit classes later as he pleased.

Understand that meche is more than just the statics/dynamics, material properties and FEA- you’ll also most likely have to take fluid dynamics, thermodynamics and heat transfer. Half my class struggled with those because they’re maybe not as ‘intuitive’ as the other aspects. They were my favorites though, I ended up working in plumbing design. It’s not glamorous and pretty repetitive/boring, but it’s stable and easy enough and recruiters message me every other day. Also those boring jobs are easier to get a remote position because they struggle to recruit zooms/millennials who have that character trait where they want to be a part of a start up that becomes the next iPhone.

>>55199618
yeah im curious too. all i've heard is that the pay can be good but the work absolutely sucks

>>55198411
>I definitely want to invest in my own workshop someday
Follow up, I know this crazy 50 yo bastard who lives in bumfuck Arkansas or something. He charges $100-$200/hr + materials and shipping to make custom parts (CNC mill and lathe and welding). He’s precise on all dimensions to the 1/1000” and can very neatly weld aluminum and SS, but that’s what I mean by getting experience and making $$$. Sounds like a dream but some of his stories of hurting himself turned me off the idea myself heh

>>55199510
is that your escort for the evening?

>>55199692
You're pretty much cleaning boomer piss, shit, sweat, and blood..and yoi can give medication

>>55199820
That’s the CNA joggers retard nurses don’t do that slave work

>>55199026
>turns out fiddling with graphs in excel and being really anal about taking measurements prepares you for 80% of what the "real world" throws at you.
based take
amazing how many boomers just don't check the measurements because they've "done it before."

>>55199865
Guess again

>>55199975
You should change switch jobs then. I’m a nurse at a senior living home and we have the CNA’s do that filthy shit

>>55199991
I'm a hospital cvicu. Maybe I'll consider it. What is your pay like?

>>55194084
>Do you even want to do an MBA? If you have an undergraduate GPA below the cut off point, it suggests to me that you’re not as much of an academic striver as someone gunning for an Ivy League MBA normally would be.
MBAs are for networking and brand name, not nerd shit.

>>55177582
why do these threads come up every other day or so. I am not aware of anyone in engineering giving a shit about compsci fags, but for some reason we live rent free in your head to point of mental illness.

My guess is there is a lot of cope because CS is getting heavily oversaturated and your google 250k wfh thing turned out to be a meme to bait you in

>>55200233
check'd
>why do these threads come up every other day or so
it's because jannie is a unit 8200 glownigger who's unaware his cover's been blown

>>55186056
kek, I wonder how many retards online fell for the EE meme

>>55177524
Haha what about a degree in jazz

>>55177541
false. that is an old meta and it turns out that nursing homes are some of the most expensive and least profitable sorts of businesses in health care. Also post-covid the regulatory environment for them has become much worse.

>>55177787
Admin is super oversaturated and the growth is almost over for healthcare.

>>55190698
Nursing is customer service and working on a team all day. If you are a man you will find yourself making lots of money lifting and moving patients, but you are not going to move up very much if at all.

>>55190712
just go get a fed gov job working for the EPA. not much else you can do.

>>55191462
Most people get into fields and then realize that outside of the low paid work that is actually applicable to what they learned in school, its all just management the further up the chain you go. You make more money and less of your job is what you actually are excited about so you give up.

>>55177524
almost every rich person or person who does something they enjoy all day for career, that i know of, has said college is a useless scam.

i feel like lawyer destroys every other degree. lawyers are ballin and comfy af
second would be any type of doctor or therapist. i have seen actual retards make 100k on their first job.
then i guess i'd say finance . engineering is for little autistic worker bees who wanna work all day. absolute dogshit quality of life. you might just end up in detroit or some shit hole in texas

>>55180397
I was in pretty much the same boat (had an even more useless major), but decided not to go to law school and after 3 years of working a normal office job I was making more than my friend was making at his first Attorney job out of law school.

Law is probably worth it if you can get into a good school and don't have to pay retail tuition. But if doing so would require going into debt, it might be worth at least trying to work an office job for a bit and see how that goes. Law school will always be there, plenty of people end up going in their 30's

>>55185194
>zog always wins goy
>it has to win

ok shabbos

the us dollar and by extension all fiat is on death's door, it literally can barely function at this point, the tax system only worked because people didn't feel like they were being stolen from because quality of life was so high, not anymore

>>55189861
I can't understand college people modern day, they must have extremely rich parents who would bail them out no matter what

the whole debt slavery is horrifying to me but I guess that's just too much common sense, does everyone get a full ride scholarship somehow

a truly insane way to live in my opinion, also school is stupid and an antiquated way to learn

then you apply for 800 jobs just hoping 1 will choose you because you were the goodest goy in school

I guess I'm just not a corpo man

>>55177524
i graduated with my accounting degree in 2018. now i make $87k base + 10-15% bonus depending on the company's performance. in another 1-2 years i'm going to try job hopping to a manager job $130k/year or so. the pay isn't the greatest but it's relatively stable if you are smart about your career and avoid areas of accounting that are prone to automation or turd world outsourcing, like AP or low risk/low complexity GL stuff like being a fixed assets monkey.

>technical accounting (likely need a CPA + public accounting experience)
>external reporting (likely need a CPA + public accounting experience)
>subject matter expert in something like ASC 606, ASC 842, etc.
>professional services (public accounting, advisory, business valuation, forensic accounting, etc.) if you want to be a wagie4life
>cost accounting
>internal audit
>government accounting
>high level management or controllership (once you get experience)

All you niggers are missing the obvious choice now that CS is saturated…

Financial Math

In a way you’re doing scientific financial inquiries, something an LLM cannot do (see studies on economic impact of ChatGPT)

I’d rather be more scientific than technical here in 2023.

>>55185792
>university is to get you a job
this modern meme made by universities-for-profit needs to die

>>55203649
Won't financial math made redundant with AI?

>>55203805
financial math is a meme. the only people getting "good" jobs with a financial math degree are 200 IQ asians.

>>55199692
>>55199618

They're tards, it's decent pay but you work for every dollar. "Top tier" jobs have great pay and you can be lazy 80% of the time.

>>55203805
I just told you why it won’t. You can’t do science with an LLM.

>>55203819
You can’t finish a financial mathematics degree with an 80%+ average? The only people who even try such an unsexy subject are asians, that’s different that it only being for 200 IQ asians.

One day when the hype cycle rewards quants, you will remember this post.

>>55203965
my undergrad was in applied math. the type of people who do financial math masters at top tier schools (the only ones worth attending) are 200 IQ.

Hello various retards lurking this thread who are still trying to make a decision on college. Seething blue collar wagies flood these threads talking about how much money they make without a degree, they do not ever mention that by 40 their bodies are destroyed and their families hate them because they are constantly working overtime to actually match the wages that a white collar college educated wagie makes.

Do not fall for them, college educated people in the US will make more money in their careers, work less, and generally be happier than not having a degree.
>t. college educated wagie 3 years out of college making 95k/yr working remotely

>>55204006

That's disingenuous. The majority of college degrees make no money above the average, and you rack up debt to boot. It's the top 30-40% of degrees that are carrying the greater figure. If you broke it down by degree you'd find a lot of people getting tricked into debt/wasted time for the same pay they'd get without anything.

There is also a confounding bias in that smarter people tend to get a degree no matter what, the figure isn't all things being equal.

If you take a 110 IQ guy and put him in social work, vs the same guy in an entry level job the latter one will come out ahead after debt/opportunity cost is figured in.

>>55204004
You got it wrong. The only ones that were interested were Asian. Maybe you’re just mid lol

>>55177524
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ChemE's able to get employed in other engie jobs as well? As I understand engineer degrees are fairly fluid that way. Even though the employer may say he is looking for an electrical engineer the job may be filled by another engineer as well for example. Oil rigs may look for automation engineers but may be satiated by a ChemE just as well right? I've always had the perception that engineer degrees offer a lot of different options in the job market

>>55202833
I agree with you, and I also want to add that accounting is also one of the best paid professor positions out there. Since our field is very practical and is simple to find work in, very few people go into an accounting PhD. It's so uncommon, my state doesn't even have an accounting PhD program. And it really inflates full-time uni professor salaries. For example, at my uni, the accounting professors were the second best paid in the entire uni. It's the route I'm choosing to go down (PhD after I become a CPA and become a full-time, tenured professor). The main downside is that during the PhD, I will be making a lot less than I would be making in industry, but the high professor salary will eventually make up for it, and it's the line of work I would prefer. And worst case scenario, I could always just get an industry job if the professorship doesn't work out for me. The stability is why I love this career, even if it doesn't pay as much as some other careers.

>>55180104
I put you in the slums whining about capitalism for the rest of your life lol

>>55202788
I don't know about extremely rich, but my parents covered my rent/food for the three years it took for me to complete my degree. My dad failed out trying to work to pay for his degree in ye olde times and was conscious enough to know trying to be a part time wagie wouldn't cut it in [current year]

Worked some retail wagie jobs during the summers to help, but they still coughed up somewhere between $20-30k.

I'm going to make sure their nursing home has as few niggers as possible.

>>55202788
>I can't understand college people modern day, they must have extremely rich parents who would bail them out no matter what
i think that's the gist of it. when i went, 60% of the school were seemingly rich kids. all the korean kids were from 8figure+ households and came from money.

>the whole debt slavery is horrifying to me but I guess that's just too much common sense, does everyone get a full ride scholarship somehow
my little cousin just got accepted, and he is getting a full ride. it kind of annoys me because he's seen my struggle, and now he'll never understand why my situation got so fucked up. he is from an underprivileged situation, but so was i... he's so fucking lucky man

>a truly insane way to live in my opinion, also school is stupid and an antiquated way to learn
i realized that later after that occupy wall street brought the issue to light. also seeing all the youtube and patreon learning programs out there. it's retarded to go to college.

>then you apply for 800 jobs just hoping 1 will choose you because you were the goodest goy in school
yes... hell i even remember in college when the professors would concentrate on just one or two students that showed promising careers. also clear favoritism toward women. like wtf am i paying for...?

>I guess I'm just not a corpo man
same

>>55177524
Why is finance somewhat different from economics or better? Is this a meme, i shared data analysis with some dudes from finance and they just were more stupid economics students

>>55205247
yeah i've seen the salaries and even thought about doing this route but god damn is doing accounting academic research boring as hell.

Econ should be in shit tier like psychology. You cannot find any jobs with Econ, I had to pivot to accounting

any public accounting chads know the best ways to get promoted quickly? besides having CPA

>>55207093
quit after 1-2 years for a massive raise and a massive reduction in working hours lmao

>>55207108
jumping ship that early is only for CPAlets who don't understand commitment and loyalty

>>55207117
i make $100k fully remote. i'm on track to doing 2 hours of work today.

>>55207125
Nice, I'm jelly. Did you start in public with a college internship? did you do cpa?

Do all of u have loser parents or what? I had a 2.0 gpa in cs and still managed to get a faang job after interning at a fortune 1000 company

>>55180686
brainlet

All of you are spiritually Chinese. Most disgusting thread I’ve ever seen.

*Buck toothed gook voice* ooooo I do engineewing I be doctah

>>55204224
it depends on if the job needs someone in the discipline who can stamp plans.

>>55189487
you can definitely tell the difference between the mechanical engineering students who are there because they like mechanical things and those that are their because they're smart and they want money

>>55207135
yeah i did a big 4 internship. i quit full time after like 10 months. no cpa, but i think i might study for it this year.

>>55207093
Why would you not become a CPA? The exams are just an endurance test than anything. They took a lot of effort to study for, but if you do them properly, they're not that bad. I passed all 4 on the first try. And your firm should pay for the study materials and the exams themselves. The 150 credit hours, ethics requirement, and the experience requirement are EZPZ to get. I'm currently just needing to get more experience.

>>55177524
I am supposed to go to law school because I got nothing with my useless business management degree

>>55185213
Honestly I've considered this but I also hear that's a good way to get blacklisted.

>>55208597
A 2.0 in CS is like a 3.0 in business or social sciences.

>>55205247
From my experience, working in academia is so easy and allows so much freedom and time that the loss of earnings during the PhD and any lost earnings from not going to industry are worth it. Admin jobs are also easy to get and very comfortable albeit not well paying.

>>55204224
It depends on the specific engineering degree. Mechanical and Chemical are more generally applicable than others just because those are useful in such a wide range of industries. Petroleum Engineering or Electrical Engineering less so.

>>55204042
The primary confounding variable when looking at college graduates vs high school graduates is age. Yeah, college graduates make more money in their lifetimes, but most of their surplus earnings are from baby boomers. The second biggest variable is a small cohort of finance and tech bros.

The simple reality that should be obvious to everyone is that degrees don’t make money appear out of thin air. They don’t create jobs. All they do is qualify people for those jobs. If there are fewer well-paying jobs than the college graduate won’t do as well. If there are more, they will.

>>55180397
Check out LSAT demon. Max your LSAT and uGPA so you can make it as cheap as possible. There’s little downside to a JD if it’s practically free.

>>55202369
In America, half of all law graduates never even practice law. It’s probably the single most over saturated degree in this country.

>>55211467
Yeah. My mother is a professor, and I could tell even when I was a child that I wanted the same kind of career. The freedom and job security once tenure is granted were the primary reasons, and I just so happened to be in a good field that pays better than many. The PhD process and the pre-tenure years won't be that fun, but once I get tenure, it will be well worth it.

>>55211539
The only real problem with it is that the baby boomers never retired. A lot of those tenure track jobs are occupied and there’s a whole line of ticket holders sitting in adjunct and research hell just waiting for them to open up. It’s true for accounting too but fortunately a lot less true for accounting than other fields. Once that boomer cohort retired tenure is probably going away for the most part. I think where a lot of PhDs go wrong is not willing to work in admin. Admin can suck or it can be even more comfy than faculty positions. I am a university administrator right now, and it’s without a doubt the easiest and most comfortable job I ever had and affords more autonomy than 99% of jobs.

>>55196428
most people here couldn't finish a math degree. From my experience (applied math/statistics) a math degree signals you're intelligent more than anything else unless you're doing quant stuff at a bank or insurance company

>>55186025
>implying you know what i am or am not reading at any particular time
lmao

>>55177524
Just get an aircraft mechanic license in 2 years, work the line, and do nothing for 90% of your shift while making more than enough money to do what you want. I even get to go home and sleep/play vidya some days for most of it

>>55193255
Wow, I had no clue. I always just assumed nursing had a similar amount of rigor as all the other medical fields remembering and doing tedious shit for tests. That sounds like a pretty solid option taking into account some people walk away from school with nothing.

>tfw secondary education at an International School
>work three hours a day and make six figures net

lmao at all of you
also fuck off we’re full

reminder that most basic floor nursing is pretty shit. Look into working in the operating room.
>barely have interact with patients or their families
>even new to the operating room you'll never have to work nights outside of call unlike new nurses getting the shit night 12 hour shifts
>operating room subspecialty is deemed pretty valuable compared to most nurses (and honestly it's not hard) and you can get hired anywhere with experience
>surgeons aren't nearly the manchildren they used to be 20 years ago

>>55178760
chem bs is the most worthless stem degree availlable for the amount of work you have to put into it in exchange for a 30 k a year salary
seriously. You learn more than a med student but employers will think you're retired because you didn't go for an MD or PHD

>>55179505
>>55185551
>>55183556
>>55185869
my fellow biobros..... I'm in the same boat. Now slightly under 2 years after graduation and have basically been ghosted on all my applications. Even had like a 3.7 GPA and everything. Kinda had a feeling it was a meme degree 3/4ths of the way through despite my interest in the subjects but said to myself "fuck it it's too late to change majors now". The only way I can see myself salvaging this is by stacking as many tech credentials/certifications as possible so I can possible get into Biostats, clinical research, or some sort of data analysis.

>>55199026
>If I were interested in chemistry, or any science, really, I'd look up the best textbooks on a given industry (petroleum, nuclear, batteries, etc), read those while working literally anywhere else
This pretty much sums it up. One of the reasons I got into Bio (molecular/cellular specifically) was because I have an autistic interest in nutrition and physiological health; and genetics to a lesser degree. I still love the subject but God damn it's not worth the hassle. I just want to make enough to be able to move out from my folks' place for fucks sake.

>>55180740
Just go Walter White mode dude.

>>55181124
There are only so many zoos anon. Any sort of wildlife/marine/zoologist biology jobs are memes. They're virtually nonexistent. You're only future employers are government ran fish and game organizations, which make up a sliver of public spending, or private conservation groups which are so few and far between too.

>>55212693
You definitely don’t….. as a chem major and a medical student.

>>55177524
Accounting/Finance will be the first white collar jobs to be automated.

>>55199618
I work healthcare, its because demand for nurses and nursing jobs as a whole is in short supply with no end in sight. Even bringing in immigrant nurses, trying to fix wages illegally etc didnt work. Its def not an "easy" job depending on what you do but you can get promoted to very easy office jobs. They were so desperate for nursing staff last year they paid 2.5 OT rate for an entire year.

In short, if you can deal with the occasional stress you can literally work anywhere for high wages as a nurse. As long as yr not a retard and lose yr license, youll always have a high paying job

>>55177678
Have EE and computer E degree with 4.0 from a not shit school last month
Still in the trenches trying to find work

This is complete bullshit watched 100 computer science students graduate last month only the pajeets with nepotism links have jobs so far

>>55180397
Just saw this post. Same BA, going to a T14, and still wondering if it's worth it. I don't think I'll ever go into Big Law due to it's workload but I think working in house may be worth it. If you do plan to apply, get a good tutor for the LSAT. Mine brought me from a 159 to a 175 in 2 months.