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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Buy books with XMR
https://monerobookstore.com/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Archetyp
>ASAP
>Astra #
>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/vyHPGDcT


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan? Donate to the Community Art Fund
https://www.monerochan.art/

START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
>START RUNNING AN I2P NODE


>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.


>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total BTC = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings BTC would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per BTC and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

looks like your little shitcoin is crashing again pedos

>>55145414
you mean the future drug supply is at a discount?

>>55145414
The point is to be its own ecosystem why the fuck would I care how many monopoly bucks I can trade for it?

>>55145474
based and drugpilled

>>55145414
>looks like your little shitcoin is crashing again pedos

>IT'S STILL REAL TO ME, DAMMIT!

>tfw no real life monero-chan to breed
why even live?

Reporting in
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Swimng Pool - https://pastebin.com/raw/Mb7Dyg24
IRC - https://pastebin.com/kP1gZ1Hk
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Education - https://pastebin.com/V0SFR8qU
Mining - https://pastebin.com/Rd1V8P5L
Nodes - https://pastebin.com/j6Vv2Xn6

Is it possible for there to be too large of a p2pool dominance?
As in, are there any downsides to p2pool?
There must be some kind of trade off
https://moneroj.net/p2pool_dominance/

>>55145847
Isn‘t p2pool botnet mining?

>>55145847
any pool with >50% could try a 51% attack in theory but it's never really happened that a pool does such a thing, its probably in their best interest to keep the network going.
you should mine in a smaller pool to blance the network

>>55145847

>>Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

Why are French anons banning le coin? What a bunch of freedom hating faggots

How government sees Monero-chan

How I see Monero-chan

>binance
bros it's happening???

>>55146562
hopefully more countries stop trading of xmr on chinance, it will only help the true value

i want to kms

Zcucks gon' cuck.

>>55145414
I just bought 84 more.

>>55145301
is the linuz 64 hash outdated?
027707b0ad740908c26895e3bf569ca284a813263129fe2635049313c5129230

Any reliable place to buy a prepaid visa with XMR?

>>55147234
kek
>>55147364
based

Any reliable place to buy a prepaid visa with XMR

>>55145301
Convinced Patrick Lancaster to start using XMR as a donation option, spreading that awareness bros

>>55147742
>Convinced Patrick Lancaster to start using XMR as a donation option, spreading that awareness bros
King. I like his reporting.

How I see Monero-chan

kek Monero baggies getting absolutely rekt.

Infinite supply and inflation bugs aside, now there's also the big bad banhammer to contend with hehehe

But by all means, keep on larping as cypherpunk badsses, thats totally what institutional nvestors are looking for.

>>55147963
>he thinks we are m\institutional investors
fucking cringe

>>55147963
remind me again what benefit institutional investors have brought to btc
>kyc exchanges and offramps
>cashing out to pay your taxes is itself a taxable event and believe me the taxman knows if you don’t do it
>price action highly correlated to the trad-fi markets, mostly because it’s used as “hugely levered and I don’t have to report this to the sec” collateral by the big boys
did I miss anything?

>>55147963
nigger. Go back to your jewcoin. Glad to buy the dip and keep buying. I like the coin

>>55148202
Is there any world where big institutions crash?

>>55145301
What's the minimum XMR that a man should hold for any possible scenario?

what's with the btc vs xmr rhetoric
they are like family

>>55148821
Of course not. That’s why First Republic and SVB are doing just fine

>>55148895
late adopters/midwits didn't get the memo that every alt that tried to go head to head with bitcoin never made a new ath ever again

doesnt help when the "default privacy" narrative only works when you're not an alt too

>>55145944
And where the fuck did you get that?
>>55146562
Only in France. But financial regulation in the USA seems just as content to regulate alternative currencies as it is in EU, so this is a good sign.
>>55147959
Wait I haven't seen that before, is that OC?

>>55148886
XX of monero

>>55147626
coinsbee
cakepay

what do friens?

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>55148969
This could be true but then again etherium is closing out the gap with bitcoin even thought etherium is basically shitcoins, scams and boring nft game that funnily enough don't need blockchains

Another day, another item sold on moneromarket.io.
Another day, another payment received for mining on P2Pool with my own computers.
Another day, another check of my wallet for transactions by connecting to my node running on my home internet connection.
Another day of not checking the price. I suppose it's still about 150$ and 25th on CoinGecko. Don't really care. The crash was a good thing. Price floor > price peak.
Another day, my accidental EU offshore bank account is funded with minimal fees and friction from my Monero wallet, through Kraken. Left the country years ago but keep the bank account. Saved me from pain in the ass when paying for some things because I live in a shithole country.
What have you done today with Monero?

>>55149544
he tucked his balls pretty nicely. must hurt though

>>55146384
>>55147924
these are great. keep 'em coming sd bro.

>>55147234
>sucks every regulator cock just to get banned anyway
>outlawed by mainstream power
>bad reputation in non-mainstream hierarchies
lmao, whats the next move ztrash?

>>55150052
Yeah I'm going to tuck my balls pretty nicely deep in her to make many monero-babies and take over the finance world.

Infinite supply shitcoin

>>55151117
Learn some economy

have any of you tried haveno?
>https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/releases/tag/v0.0.6
how does this tech works? i don't know how can you trade between cryptos without a third party or using atomic swaps.

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a badly needed retard filter so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>55148969
>late adopters/midwits didn't get the memo that every alt that tried to go head to head with bitcoin never made a new ath ever again

lol are we still playing pretend?

>>55152504
>how does this tech works? i don't know how can you trade between cryptos without a third party or using atomic swaps.

Haveno uses atomic swaps if I'm not mistaken. Its Serai that doesn't, it relies on liquidity pools.

>>55152680
well i was checking it out rn and it has the btc trade option but it also has other coins and as far as i know the only other crypto that supports atomic swaps with xmr is btc.
also it talked about an 'intermediary'... who is this intermediary?

Imagine being this cucked.

>>55153718
lol he still doesn’t realize that you can have full privacy or you can have legal compliance, but both is impossible

>>55153718
Hahahahhaahahaha this shit is too funny.
A privacy coin that is compliant is not possible, wtf is he talking about.

>>55152620
big if true

>>55147234
>>55153718
when will zcashers accept that you can't mix privacy with (((compliance)))?

Reminder that Zcash triggers the coincidence detector. Stay away.

>>55150104
Don't mind if I do

>>55154888
>>55154899
>>55154954

>>55146216
>tfw french
>tfw 40% of portfolio is XMR
>tfw won't be able to buy more XMR and will not be able to cash it out because I live in a communist shithole

Convince me not to sell right now frens

>>55155271
Your wallet needs to be ready for the 6th republic.

>>55155271

Cashing out ain't no thang, just buy bullion or atomically swap XMR for a cuckcoin when necessary.

You shouldn't be using CEXs anyhow.

>>55155271
You can still buy drugs in france, oui?

Monero counterarguments
- news mostly about attacks, patches and delistings
- perceived as archaic and static compared to newer smart, agile and well-connected projects
- might get banned and then difficult to trade with no liquidity
- wallets not fool-proof, users of hardware wallets show up daily because they can't see their coins
- no ubiquitous ways to buy directly with fiat
- missing on important exchanges
- (relatively) high barrier of entry for 2021 batch of buyers and people unfamiliar with crypto
- not natively compatible with ETH ecosystem
- no equivalent to easy browser plugins (e.g. Metamask)
- Anti-Virus stops Monero wallet installations
- no major DeFi applications, locked-out of the system
- few ways to earn money & rewards
- rewards only people with beefy mining CPUs
- no staking
- no official support
- no supply deflation by incentivizing to lock-up XMR
- supply inflates forever
- hodlers get nothing and continuously pay for inflation
- network effects haven't reached critical mass
- indirect governance is difficult and incentivizes freeloading
- little incentive to build on top of XMR
- other projects have far greater resources
- might get tracked in the future
- privacy might get trivialized and becomes a worthless commodity
- many other projects add "good enough" privacy leaving XMR only attractive for marginal groups
- some DeFi protocol with a pool and stablecoin might offer seamless privacy and stability in DeFi ecosystem without having to jump through as many hoops as one has to do with XMR
- stigmatic reputation

- some reputable parties don't want to be associated with XMR
- big target for the government while other coins can fly under the radar
- already somewhat mature so less growth rate to be expected
- less price action means less attention
- age of coins with just one feature + chain might be over
- perpetual downtrend against BTC discourages hodling
- community encourages only to buy when people have a reason to dump/sell it right away
- investors are dumping in favor of BTC and DeFi which have monster momentum
- possibly giga-whales perpetually dumping
- uncertainty about supply bugs
- inefficiency in initial mining exploited
- parts of the code are weak and have never been properly audited (e.g. P2P stack)
- during attacks simple people had a bad user experience and nothing worked
- possible crackdown by governments and central banks on whole crypto space with uncertain outcome for XMR

>>55156160
>>55156178

lol I remember seeing this pasta in like 2018. Behold the utterly desperate state of maxipads.

>>55155408
god i wish that were me

>>55156284
> lol I remember seeing this pasta in like 2018. Behold the utterly desperate state of maxipads.
Says a lot when still since 2018 you can't even come up with proper debunks for the points listed.

this chart kills the monerofag

>>55156436
>this chart kills the monerofag

Wow, get a load of all that impressive price action that is totally the result of organic supply and demand.

>>55156422
>Says a lot when still since 2018 you can't even come up with proper debunks for the points listed.

We don't need to debunk anything, we let the free market decide kek

>>55156483
Oh booo hooo, I don't know how I'll ever live with myself, riding my ill-gotten gains up past 100k.

>>55156509

Playing pretend sure is fun!

>>55156490
>b-b-but the market already decided on Bitcoin!!!!1 P-private enough!!

>>55156634

Yes.

>>55156483
Long term it dramatically underperformed BTC.
That is all that matters.
You lost

>>55156593
Like you pretending that Bitcoin's gains somehow don't count simply because they make you seethe.

>>55156490
> we let the free market decide kek
Free market decided right here:
>>55156436

>>55156160
Most of these are already addressed in the OP and I'm sure someone has already done this before, but fuck it I'm bored. Feel free to screencap/copy. Responses in order.
- outdated, there hasn't been an attack since the last couple HFs, maybe you can count mordinals, but those got patched incredibly fast unlike with Ordinals
- Monero code is by far the most organic large crypto project. Not that hard next to WEF sponsored BTC development and WEF sponsored ETH development
- it is banned yet it is increasingly becoming easier to trade. Banning it literally only makes it stronger
- outdated
- outdated
- outdated, tho funny thing that getting listed on said exchanges did more harm than good
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- not an argument, NK hackers help secure the network, AV doesn't like that obviously
- outdated
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- who is even supposed to do offical support?
- this is an argument for XMR, tail emission is better than limited supply
- see above
- do you seriously not get economics this bad?
- outdated, XMR now has gained network effect in many sectors now
- the fact that XMR doesn't have a democratic DAO or whatever is again, an argument for XMR
- yet it is doing just fine, this is an argument for XMR
- yet XMR continues to dominate on certain markets, this is an argument for XMR
- and you might leave your mother's basement one day. Both are speculation and XMR has a record of fixing its issues quickly and effectivelly
- outdated, look at how many countries are pushing CBDCs. Also no people in power will want a population will privacy under them.
- "good enough" is moronic to say, you either can be tracked or you cannot be. OPT-IN ""good enough"" systems are not still not private.
- see above, also get REKT with TornadoCash on this one. opt-in privacy will never work

>>55156178
- outdated, there hasn't been an attack since the last couple HFs, maybe you can count mordinals, but those got patched incredibly fast unlike with Ordinals
- Monero code is by far the most organic large crypto project. Not that hard next to WEF sponsored BTC development and WEF sponsored ETH development
- it is banned yet it is increasingly becoming easier to trade. Banning it literally only makes it stronger
- outdated
- outdated
- outdated, tho funny thing that getting listed on said exchanges did more harm than good
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- not an argument, NK hackers help secure the network, AV doesn't like that obviously
- outdated
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- this is an argument for XMR
- who is even supposed to do offical support?
- this is an argument for XMR, tail emission is better than limited supply
- see above
- do you seriously not get economics this bad?
- outdated, XMR now has gained network effect in many sectors now
- the fact that XMR doesn't have a democratic DAO or whatever is again, an argument for XMR
- yet it is doing just fine, this is an argument for XMR
- yet XMR continues to dominate on certain markets, this is an argument for XMR
- and you might leave your mother's basement one day. Both are speculation and XMR has a record of fixing its issues quickly and effectivelly
- outdated, look at how many countries are pushing CBDCs. Also no people in power will want a population will privacy under them.
- "good enough" is moronic to say, you either can be tracked or you cannot be. OPT-IN ""good enough"" systems are not still not private.
- see above, also get REKT with TornadoCash on this one. opt-in privacy will never work
- Bitcoin used to have a stigmatic reputation as well, this literally mean nothing

>>55156750
>dramatically underperformed BTC.

lol still stuck pretending like fraudulent price action actually counts for something, are we?


>That is all that matters.

Permissionless real-world economic activity is all that matters. If people are only buying because of NGU, you're holding a ponzi token.


>You lost

How long you think until yet another Monero-only market launches? I say 2-4 weeks.


>Like you pretending that Bitcoin's gains somehow don't count simply because they make you seethe.

How is it even possible to be this retarded?

>>55156750
>>55156765
>implying meme lines better reflect market choice than actual markets
It is honestly a bit astonishing that someone can be so retarded.

>>55157005
"meme limes" is what determines who makes it in this world and who suffers poverty
go sniff some more copium

Corporations can buy Bitcoin.
Senators can hodl bitcoin.
Meanwhile monero has to resort to lowest common denominator to gain any attention.
lmao

>>55157150
If it's good enough for Mexican cocaine cartels and North Korean hackers, it's good enough for me.

>>55157150
>Senators can hodl bitcoin
That's the only thing they can do, because they can't buy shit with it in real markets.

>>55157182
That's only thing that matters. Price appreciation, liquidity. If they want to buy darknet shit they can always trade their btc for xmr, do the deed and be done with it. No need to hodl that toxic shit

>>55157192
You're just a pussy bitch nigger cattle slave, with big eyes, no compiler, etc.
You think "toxic" means anything but based.

>>55157174
>If it's good enough for Mexican cocaine cartels and North Korean hackers, it's good enough for me.
They use XMR to do nasty shit and then just hodl legit investments like real estate, gold, btc and hippos

>>55157224
>nasty shit
i luv me some nasty shit.

>>55157218
cool personal attack, bro, calling me nasty words surely proves your point
if by "based" you mean underperforming Bitcoin for a decade, then I guess yeah, "hodling" inflationary niche crypto that is barred from any normal exchange is based

>>55157182
Bitcoin is now accepted at Pick n Pay's 1628 retail locations in South Africa (groceries, clothing plane and bus tickets, municipal, phone, & electricity bills). The developing world is a better indicator of where crypto is going. And with inflation, food a lot more of a priority than drugs.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/retail-giant-pick-n-pay-to-accept-bitcoin-in-1-628-stores-across-south-africa

>>55157238
Even your ID is pink, lmao.

>>55157246
So is yours dickweed

It's funny how you guys cry about moneros "wash trads" when in reality its way easier to manipulate and "wash trade" a crypto like monero which has way lesser liquidity lol

>>55157192
>That's only thing that matters
It seems like you're talking about Bitcoin as if it weren't a currency and more of a commodity.
Currencies are means of exchange. If you have to trade what you have for a real currency (XMR), you're just admitting that Bitcoin doesn't work as intended and Monero does.
Bitcoin maxis started trying to change cash for their cryptocurrency. They failed so hard they're moving the goalpost and trying to take the spot of a real store of value like gold.

>>55157255
That's purple. Purple is based. Pink is gay.

>>55156750
the game would have to be over for us to lose, we just got started

monero is set to last for hundreds of years, bitcoin won't even make it to 2040

>>55157261
It's approximately heliotrope (#EB5DF6) a pink-purple tint. So you're bi, and bi is gay.

>>55157256
bitcoins wash trades

>>55157289
I'm not bi, I'm straight for Monero-chan, and I want her to peg me so I can bear her children.

>>55157257
> Currencies are means of exchange.
Nobody cares about what is what.
People care about one thing and one thing only: what will make them rich.
They will buy whichever crypto has best chances of appreciating.
That's it.
That's all there is to it.
Nothing more.
Monero is a hot potato.
You use it for shady shit and then invest in an established crypto with infrastructure support like btc or eth.

>>55157295
Pegging is gay, but Monero-chan is based. So bi is a fair assessment.

>>55157308
Nothing is gay about getting pegged by Monero-chan, cuck.

>>55157239
I do know that people in poor countries have to use cryptocurrencies as a desperate measure to escape inflation, but that doesn't even mean much, since they mostly chose to (informally) dollarize.
Also, funny how a lot of people voluntarily are using an even shittier CBDC because of desperation. I can only wish they get into a better situation to get properly educated in better currency options.
>>55157306
Oh, you were a moonboy all this time?
Ok then, move along. There's plenty of other threads for that discussion.

>>55157238
>underperforming Bitcoin

lol what does that mean exactly considering Bitcoin's price action is demonstrably fake and gay?

>>55157319
While you're busy taking plastic dick, I'm making sweet love to Monero-chan missionary-style.

>>55157331
Only in your dreams. That doesn't count.

>>55157239
>Bitcoin is now accepted at Pick n Pay's 1628 retail locations in South Africa

Oh, now nice of the South African government to be so cool about this!

>>55157306
>Nobody cares about what is what.
>People care about one thing and one thing only: what will make them rich.
>They will buy whichever crypto has best chances of appreciating.
>That's it.
>That's all there is to it.
>Nothing more.
>Monero is a hot potato.
>You use it for shady shit and then invest in an established crypto with infrastructure support like btc or eth.

>>55157330
> lol what does that mean exactly considering Bitcoin's price action is demonstrably fake and gay?
What the fuck do you mean "fake and gay"?
Compare bitcoin's and monero's liquidity.
Also, if it's so easy to "fake" bitcoin price action then, well, bad news for you, monerotards, it's even easier to manipulate a crypto with a tiny market cap like xmr.
Your argument literally makes no sense.

>>55157353
Think about what you're saying for a second. If Monero became the #1 cryptocurrency, everyone realized it's value and adopted it over Bitcoin or USD then the people around Monero would become government cause that's where the power is. Government forms around power, and right now everyone realizes Bitcoin is power. If they banned it, they'd lose out to others who adopted it.

>>55157436
>bitcoin is power

Uh huh hope that works out for you

>>55157452
It's been great actually.

Monero is the crypto for loser enthusiasts.
Kind of like Linux. And I don't mean people who use Linux for actual work like amazon AWS and what not. I mean more like /g/fags who fight over which distro is best. Monero is kind of like that. Cartels who ACTUALLY need anonymity will use it as a tool without posting anime girls and memes on /biz/. They wouldn't probably speak of it at all. It's just an intermediary to get the job done, but the guys who actually "invest" in it based on "solid tech" are cringe.
Imagine techies caring about "muh fungibility" while normie Chads just buy whatever goes up, sells, gets the lambo and the bitch...all the while incel monerofag keeps riding dragon dildos he purchased with xmr on darkweb. Not because he actually needed to use xmr (nobody cares about your dildos), but because he has to somehow justify getting sucked into this bullshit, not realizing how actual market dynamics work.
Manchild naiveté manifesting itself up in this shit

>>55157495
Everyone knows Gentoo is the best.

>>55157459
In what way

>>55157409
>What the fuck do you mean "fake and gay"?

It's provably the result of orchestrated fraud and manipulation as opposed to organic supply and demand.

>Also, if it's so easy to "fake" bitcoin price action then, well, bad news for you, monerotards, it's even easier to manipulate a crypto with a tiny market cap like xmr.

lol nobody has claimed Monero isn't also being wash traded, as long as CEXs are in play that always remains a possibility. We're simply pointing out that unlike BTC, an ever-growing factor in XMR's price action is organic supply and demand i.e. actual economic activity related to increasing black market + ransomware sector adoption.

So as that demand grows AND Monero continues being delisted from CEXs we'll begin to see what Monero's true market value really is. Meanwhile, BTC is left relying on hype and wash trading to keep the overinflated price up, which is a losing long-term proposition.

>>55157495
Lmao keep dreaming like an NPC so many fucking references to bullshit. Ego filled niggers like you don’t deserve the freedom monero gives. Thankfully, you agree.

BV3A is the answer

>>55156961
Since I have a you to a nigger, here is a you for a based fucking post that gets it. Jew ponzi coin tied to corporations and fake money bankers can get fucked. It can quickly feel like Every single other investment opportunity is a scam; in the present day fiat KLEPTOCRACY. Fuck you nigger bankers and Jews and enjoy hell.

>>55153718
>privacy
>legally compliant

No government will give you this. Go deposit your money in a Swiss Bank Account, the very same day they'll report you to the US per FACTA regulations. You will feed ZOG, piggie.

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds dont want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

Most arguments against Monero boil down to:
>It works too good, it will be banned and worthless.
>It doesn't work and has inflation, it will will be worthless.
>Price doesn't have momentum, it will be worthless.
My body is ready. Feels like Bitcoin 2011.

>>55159512
>>55159479
This thing falls apart with the corporation running out of money. They already axed half their staff and still aren't sustainable.

>>55159479
>>55159512
Lmfao what is this garbage yea trust the experts and not the fucking currency called monero in use for YEARS. The experts never made crypto to begin with they would never be tasked with doing what btc intended to do annd monero completed. Are you just a bunch of glowie niggers tasked with slowing down the inevitable growth of monero? I can unequivocally tell you that you will burn in hell for such activities. BURN IN HELL. In HELL.
>glowies will BURN In HELL for the full extent of their direct attempt to enslave humanity via inflation.

>>55156160
I just read reasons to buy more MONERO

Just got a new laptop, only ever accessed the gui wallet thru my old one while booted on a tails device. Should i keep it that way or do you anons see it as safe for >windows 11 lul

You guys remember that "piratechain" shitcoin that tries to compete with monero? Yeah well it's fucked now lol. zcash spam attack on meth
> 30% of all outputs were created TODAY
> 98% of the last 30-days' outputs were created TODAY
> consensus failure, 3-4 competing forks controlled by various mining pools
> retard/scammer devs don't care

the Ztrash attack lasted months. This is all after 1 day

rest in piss

>>55157571
> It's provably the result of orchestrated fraud and manipulation as opposed to organic supply and demand.
So, who cares?
Bitcoin Chads still get their lambo and fuck your bitch.
Also
>implying Monero has magic properties that prevent its price from being manipulated

>>55159308
Notice how he didn't actually refute any of the points laid out

>>55149544
fake sign, only complete retards fall for that. will text moneromarket to get it removed.

>>55159595

Its called restructuring, faggot, happens all the time. Now the team can focus better on making Zcash into a Monero killer.

NGL getting scared as a eurocuck if I should cash out now before I won't be able to do so in the future and sitting on a semi-legal bag of headaches.

Can I even be guaranteed that I'll be able to buy drugs with XMR in the future (in europe) which is the only reason to keep holding it for me?

>>55161712
monero's a mixing service, not money.

as long as there are decentralized bridges between bitcoin and monero and ethereum and monero exchange delistings are irrelevant.
your only risk with monero is the time between swaping in and swapping out, a balance between privacy and financial losses.

>>55161712
Sell all of it

If xmr wasn't the best coin the glowies and shills of the world wouldn't have to devote so much time fudding it

>>55161808
You're jewish, not human

>>55161808
That point of view makes sense if someones mother is reraded whore that repoduced retarded garbage. Otherwise is does not make much sense.Money has to be fungable and good money must be mined by people not corporations. BTC is more of a fiat to XMR mixing service and LTC does it far better at lower fees

What a fucking dead shitcoin, I lost 2% in the span of 24 hours, even XRP has more value than this coomerbait.
>news about being banned in EU
>price instantly dumps
baggies told me that if it's going to be banned then it will pump, what the fuck, did you lie to me?
>b-but dem drugz on deepweb n sheeit
>b-but its da currency n sheeit

>>55161836
you're coping, and missed the boat

>>55161844
monero and litecoin are alts, part of an infinite supply of "better" technologies and gimmicks. if you think it's unlikely bitcoin will ever be considered money, then it's even less likely any alt will ever be. that's just the way it is.

fighting reality just makes you a financial tranny, and it's clearly not going to make you rich.

>>55162043
No, xmr won, your shitcoin is dead

>>55161945
Hmm, we won

>>55161945
>I lost 2% in the span of 24 hours
xmr has been more stable than nearly everything else for the past year, ironically.

>>55162064
yet your ideology and coin of choice remain flawed, and certainly not worth pitching your financial hopes and dreams to especially in a market where one single asset controls every other one's price.

monero maximalists have to both ignore the financial and technical realities of their favorite alt, and it's not getting any better as time goes on. use it against its own intention at your own peril.

>>55162099
We won

Your word salad is dogshit, kill yourself immediately midwit

>>55162106
you monero baggies have really turned into link baggies haven't you? kek

>>55154888
>>55154899
>>55154954
Holy fucking jesus christ, did you made these?
Are they uploaded to a repo or something?

>>55162123
You have been and will always be jewish

>>55162131
can't wait for the AI generative porn of MoneroChan..
Finally will get to have seggs with her in my gooncave!

Bump

bump

I did not know biz fi lters boasts

>https://cakelabs.com/news/shutting-down-cake-pay-web/
cake wallet web shutting down

>>55162948
>AMA
How much time do we have left until EU CBDCs?

>>55163018
I think by the next generation. There are still a lot of people (mainly older, rural folk) that insist on using cash, while young people prefer paying by card on most things.

>>55163018
>>55163065
Issuance should be confirmed this year / early next year.
Selected parties could use it around 2024-26.
Garden type normies get to use it around 2026-28 after some legal backstops are defined.
It will likely be made predominant mode of payment around 2030.

>>55162948
where is the post?
I'm very interested on what he said

>>55163092
>I'm very interested on what he said
Its me who created that reply but it got autofiltered by Fo Chang AI.
- Fa1i9VL

>>55163091
>Issuance should be confirmed this year / early next year.
I hate the antichrist.

>>55163142
>I hate the antichrist.
Yea? you think I love the antichrist?

>>55162131
>bump
Yeah I made them. I don't know of a better place to post them than here.

Why is the "official" xmr group full of retards?
>inb4 it's just pajeets

>>55163361
Hispanics, antagonistic, angry, and low IQ.

>>55163157
create a pasta in pastebin or some shit so we can read with full details what you have to say

>>55163289
man this is pure kino right here.
there is a gallery for monerochan pics but i don't have the link.

>>55163379
>create a pasta in pastebin or some shit so we can read with full details what you have to say
I do not want this to be a pearls before swine scenario. I will be around for a couple of xmr threads and will answer those who ask.

>>55163361
Quite painful to watch. Makes me question a lot of things.

>>55163420
>pearls before swine scenario.
Cut the "high-horse" bullshit. If you have info to share, share it. Otherwise gtfo.

>>55163458
>Cut the "high-horse" bullshit. If you have info to share, share it. Otherwise gtfo.
I am here with a respectful tone, with pertinent information and an openness for a possibly fruitful interaction. I do have something to share, to give back to the community, but not for people without thankfulness (or discernment). Especially the ones like (You)... or to those skills to surround signal with a lot of noise.

>>55163516
go fuck yourself faggot larper

>>55163594
I will not go fuck myself as it is homosexual to fuck another (or same) man’s butt.
As for the assertion of me being a LARPer, one can neither prove nor disprove the hypothesis, unfortunately.
Let my responses stand for themselves and argue for or against the validity of your assertion.

>>55163693

>>55163693
Regarding your AMA, can you explain the extent policy community, regulators, etc, care about XMR? Follow up question, to whatever extent they care how much should a normal individual prepare?

>>55163693
Its recommended to stick to screencaps, in a sans-serif font like 'Liberation Sans,' for longer posts on /biz/. This board for sure has word filters to prevent "spam" posts, but its probably an anti-whistleblower move. However please be concise and give us just the information, and page your entries either in the filename or within the graphic itself. Your bloviating is distracting and makes you sound like a woman.

>>55164425
>but its probably an anti-whistleblower move.
No, nothing so grandiose about this interaction. All my posts are supposed to do is to collate open-source information into a coherent form. I am not that up the pecking order.

>>55164494
Then by all means, save us both time and pre-collate your posts beforehand for the purposes of dissemination. Even if what you are passing is technically OSINT, the length of posts and their content can and will trigger the filters. Again, that's why its recommended to pass along such information via graphics instead of this attempted Q and A style. 4chan and /biz/ move quickly due to inorganic means, so the delay in posts may force the information from eyes that need to see it. You are here to help as many people as possible outlast the mark of the beast, correct?

>>55163693
Should we be aware of something that we cant see coming rn?
Some type of censorship at a lower level that will make monero and other decentrilized services useles?
Do they actually know what they are doing or are they the tipical babyboomers that are still trying to figure out how the internet works?

>>55161135
>> It's provably the result of orchestrated fraud and manipulation as opposed to organic supply and demand.

>So, who cares?
>Bitcoin Chads still get their lambo and fuck your bitch.

lol so how exactly do these Bitcoin Chads cash out their millions with low exit liquidity? Because remember, most of that "demand" doesn't actually exist hahahahaha

>>55161707
>Now the team can focus better on making Zcash into a Monero killer.

How about you faggots get adoped by a single darknet market first?

Give my regards to the village.

>>55161808
>monero's a mixing service, not money.

This is what Bitfags desperately want you to believe lol.

Imagine thinking the non-fungible currency is better money than the fungible one lmao

>>55154888
>>55154899

Checked and fucking based

>>55164759
>30 posts by this ID
there's only one desperate person here

>>55166302
>there's only one desperate person here

lol nice rebuttal you got there

>>55164557
Damn dude, seems you scared her away.

>>55166302
Maybe other threads are more suited for your taste

>>55161712
I don't know why you wouldn't be able to buy drugs with it. They can only really control it on exchanges, and people involved in illegal transactions will continue to figure out how to launder their money. They probably aren't using exchanges to sell their XMR anyway.

I guess you don't really care about the threat to the state it poses, which is why they're tightening the noose on it in the first place, but your best bet at de-risking it is to help legitimize it in the eyes of people around you. It is kinda annoying to be the crypto guy, but you don't have to push it super hard. You can do simple small stuff, like tipping your barber in XMR to get them interested. If they want more information about it you can explain its importance on a high level from whatever angle you think will appeal the most to them.

I don't know how it will work out in the EU, since y'all actively celebrate being slaves to the state. However, I doubt it will ever be explicitly illegal to purchase/trade with it. The best they can do is make the on/off ramps more difficult. The effect this will have is debatable, but there are plenty of people like me who never plan to sell their XMR for fiat, but instead want to purchase goods and services with it outside of the prying eyes of the state.

Don't listen to the BTC shills, they're just mad that their preferred coin is already entirely captured by state interests, and that they'll never be able to directly exchange their shitcoin for their daily goods and services since transactions cost too much and anyone they trade with will know exactly how much they have.

>>55166715
>plenty of people like me who never plan to sell their XMR for fiat
based diamond hands
t. europoor

>>55166572
>my taste
link bagholder level coping shouldn't be to anyone's

>>55156178
>>55156160
I created this on Thursday, 4 February 2021, 06:49:20 (at least that's the date on my document) but you only posted the bear part.
There was also a bull part to this:

Monero investment: Bull and Bear arguments
I just let my mind run and compiled this list of arguments that people might come up with for and against XMR as an investment. These should be seen mainly from the perspective of an average crypto buyer in 2021.

If you have more or want to challenge them please feel free to give your input.

Bull arguments:

- class-leading privacy coin

- real world adoption

- great community

- long history

- capable dev teams

- very decentralized

- no company/foundation

- might replace BTC in most use cases

- potential to become the class-leading currency coin

- Atomic swaps will enable XMR to tap into other coin universes with minimal metadata leaks and very low friction

- new buyers and speculators might not be fully aware of flaws in BTC and DeFi and in the future might migrate to XMR

- price action not fully exploited this cycle

- upside potential from more exchange listings

- wrapped versions enable DeFi usage

- organic price action

- little known institutional involvement creates upside potential

- Grayscale Monero Trust will enable easy access for many investors

- most battle-proven privacy coin

- trusted and used by hackers and professional scammers

- more usage by normal people and honorable use cases might improve the reputation

- low inflation and no gaming of the supply

- privacy features are working

- coin economics provide stability in the long term

- demonstrated ability to fend off attacks and keep network up-to-date with latest privacy features

>>55168234
>>55163289
>>55157005
>>55156917
>>55155408
>>55154954
>>55154899
>>55154888
>>55152680
>>55147959
>>55146384
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>>55168234
big sex

>>55162948
obvious questions: what is their plan for xmr? a light ban on exchanges only, or full tornado cash style sanctioning it? do the elites use xmr themselves for hiding assets?

>>55168961
>>55156917
Obviously, some of the bear and bull arguments today seem less acute and outdated. The most notable transformation has been the collapse of many decentralized finance and stablecoin projects, which were, for the most part, financial disasters. These projects, fueled by ill-conceived tokenomics, were capable only of short-term price inflation, which could not withstand the immense pressure of their inherent hyperinflation, inevitably causing a substantial blow to their market value.

It's evident now that the actual utility of these tokens was limited, if not nonexistent, beyond speculative trading. Initially, liquidity was scarce due to the tempting returns offered for staking these tokens, often between 10-20%. This scarcity drove prices up, while a majority of these tokens remained in the control of venture capitalists and insiders. The situation was further exacerbated as many noob traders got DeFi loans by collateralizing their 'scamcoins', only to buy more of the same.

Amidst this, the potential of Monero (XMR) seemed less than exciting and it was pretty uncertain whether these unstable projects would collapse or just continue their crazy moves. Additionally, the unchecked influence and excessive enthusiasm of venture capitalists has now waned. Before they freely issued investments left and right with eight or nine-figure values, which led to a proliferation of competitors.

Today, it's clear to me that many of XMR's decisions were very wise.
Monero is simply the best money, and that alone is sufficient for its success.

Monero-chan is the best, simple as.

>>55161712
The best thing you can do is leave Europe and move to a country that actually respects financial privacy. Them banning XMR is a canary in the coal mine moment. They will likely try to ban cash next and all of your financial transactions will be on a CBDC. They will eventually ban coins like BTC and ETH too since they don't want any competition.

You need to ask yourself why you should continue to support such a government. In addition, your drug dealer is not going to use compromised technology to sell his product. Since he is already breaking the law, all that will happen is that he will set up a a wash service outside of the EU, likely from the same place he sources his drug supply from. Don't bet against the black market.

>>55169859
>they're gonna ban cash
please relax anon.

They're not nearly that overt. Just take note of all of the many incentives there have been over the past few decades to use cards over cash. It will be like that (rather, it IS like that), as opposed to the orwellian crackdown circlejerk I know most of us would shine brightly in.

inb4 >NO YOURE NOT SCHIZO ENOUGH TO SEEEEEEE

>>55145301
ITS THE MOST PrECIOUS COIN THErE IS.

>>55170534
The ban was personal. Our French bros who don't even carry shotguns and machine guns like us Americans do to breakfast, have been FUCKED IN THE ASS BY JEWS. Their spending power is inflating away, and alternatives are outlawed. Prohibition never works. Get hyped, niggers. This coin is going to gather critical mass. And it can't be inflated, hasn't been artifically inflated by Jews, it is been in use and is a global peer to peer currency. Fiat slave masters are afraid.

>>55164742

Zcash doesn't need the darknet, midwit, its going mainstream, its basically the next PayPal only with Swiss banking security.

So enjoy muh darknet adoption, that's as far as Monero will ever go.

Choo choo, motherfuckers!

>>55170838
A coin so good it has to be shilled on a rival coin's thread. On the out-of-the-way money making section of a chinese cartoon appreciation website. Zcarens, when will they learn?

>>55170838
>Zcash's privacy technology is so good that people at risk of legal charges stunt want to use it
cope

>>55170534
A top tier coin. You can’t ban privacy coins. That’s the point. Only free advertising.

How safe is buying monero via cash by mail on localmonero? Are there safer ways of doing it that maintain anonymity?

>>55170838
The ammounts of cope i read in your comments is always so sad

>>55170838
Wasn't your coin banned along with monero?

>>55171599
Never have, but ill try soon. Ill just go for the seller with best rep. Check account creation date too.

>>55164311

>Regarding your AMA, can you explain the extent policy community, regulators, etc, care about XMR?

The question ‘What extent…’ is quite broad. Can you be more precise?
Policy making community is not one homogeneous entity with unitary and unified interest. Same goes with the regulators.
AECs can end up making work-lives pain in the neck to a whole lot of people. Therefore, whatever needs to be done will be done.
As for caring about XMR, think of nation states as competitive organisms. They might fight over a lot of things. But when something threatens their very existence they know how to band together and stamp out the threat. AECs can potentially threaten the key control-apparatus that states have over the citizenry.

> Follow up question, to whatever extent they care how much should a normal individual prepare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woHe5DIUnnc
Have a video for now, I will answer the question later.

>>55164702

>Should we be aware of something that we cant see coming rn?
What happened yesterday? did you read the news?
> What is MiCA Article-68 ?

>Some type of censorship at a lower level that will make monero and other decentrilized services useles?
Projects that intend to make decentralized services useless are decades away, nothing to bother in our life time. Have you heard of the term ‘Self-Censorship’? How does one engineer the mainstream media project so anons self-censor and thus prevent radical decentralization, radical data privacy mindset and radical financial privacy ?

>Do they actually know what they are doing or are they the tipical babyboomers that are still trying to figure out how the internet works?
They know exactly what they are doing and no, they are not baby boomers (well, some are – but smart baby boomers).
Most of them are smartest guys I know and respect. The serfs should always think that the rulers are stupid, this will keep their serf-ego intact while they continue to follow the diktats.

>>55169230

>obvious questions: what is their plan for xmr?
Would you be surprised if I say XMR will play a role in the acceleration of CBDC adoption by the serfs? Ironic, isn’t it?
Generation of an electric current requires both the polarities of a battery!

> a light ban on exchanges only,
For now.

> or full tornado cash style sanctioning it?
You can’t sanction math.
Sanction does a good job against mainstreaming of a technology. Encryption was sanctioned a for a few years (Bernstein vs US gov. I think). Do the serfs actively use encryption now?

> do the elites use xmr themselves for hiding assets?
Please don’t call them elites. They are humans, providence has placed them close to the top of the pecking order in the materialistic world. Some of them are good people (in the natural law sense, some of them are not). Resources (material or otherwise), knowledge, family, networks... those are the places where true wealth is hidden.
With that said, many of them will most likely jump ship from BTC to XMR from what I am seeing.

>>55172851
What I mean by "the extent." There large concerted efforts to work out effective regulations/legislation against XMR. Also if certain portions of these communities are actively working to break XMR's ability to keep users anonymous.

>>55173000
Checked
>What I mean by "the extent." There large concerted efforts to work out effective regulations/legislation against XMR.
XMR is what it is due to the following reasons (in no particular order):
1. Tech.
2. Math.
3. Utility
4. Self-awareness of the user-base
5. "Macro"-awareness of the user-base
6. Legality
7. (apparent) Fidelity and ethos of the developers
8. Lack of organic trust between fellow humans/institutions

The 'large concerted efforts to work out effective regulations/legislation against XMR' attacks on points 3. and 6.

> Also if certain portions of these communities are actively working to break XMR's ability to keep users anonymous.
Different subgroups are working with different attack vectors. 'Keeping users anonymous' fall into 1., 2., 7. and kind of 8.
8. Could be a potent angle of attack but requires more work than a mere policy.

>>55173213
Thanks for explaining.

>>55171599
Use a reputable seller and you won't have to worry. But following the guide that lm begs people to read will help cover yourself.

>>55172867
>humanizing parasitic jews and their ghouls. Every single time one of you show up, I always find it incredible that you don't see that they plan to enslave you too. You are also a serf, a goy, a useful idiot and an apparatchik. You are the intellectual they will kill against the wall or in the fields. So just admit it my friend: You love and work for the Anti-Christ, choosing the chains of bondage over than the challenge of agency and freedom. So bereft of God's grace that you can't simply pass on information without first being prompted, an NPC chatbot who mistakes proximity to your masters as sentience.

Tor has some PoW update.
Looks like it might fix the constant ddos issues.

>>55174986
>Tor has some PoW update.
Link to the info.
How does it work?

>>55175260
https://forum.torproject.net/t/alpha-release-0-4-8-1-alpha/7816

>>55145301
>Marat Tambiev, who was detained on charges of corruption, received a bribe in bitcoins from members of the hacker group Infraud Organization in April 2022, corresponding to almost $ 24 million (1.6 billion rubles)
>The alleged bribe was discovered during a search of the former investigator's apartment on Bolshaya Ochakovskaya Street in Moscow.
>Among other things, according to Kommersant, they found an Apple MacBook Pro laptop in his possession, which was hacked only a few months later.
>In it, the attention of the investigators of the central apparatus of the ICR was attracted by a folder called "Pension", which contained a photograph of a sheet of paper with records of codes that allowed Tambiev to access 932.1 and 100 bitcoins.
https://www.rbc.ru/society/03/06/2023/647a6d2c9a79473cf7a81ef4

How could he have prevented this?

>>55145755
not even an unobtanium comb could move a strand of wirey's hair

>>55162948
Is the latest shill tactic of
>shill mentions well known and well addressed criticism of monero (eg. muh hidden inflation bug)
>well-meaning anon addresses criticism (eg. you can literally add up the block rewards just like what was done with bitcoin to see this isn't happening)
>shill proceeds to acuse anon of having bitcoin live rent free in head
>second shill pops in to mention price action of bitcoin
>shill 1 uses shill 2's existence to 'prove' we're just as bad as linkmarines and xrp schizos

An attempt by these people to shake weak hands and gaslight newbs or is it just regular trolls regularly trolling?

>>55176133

Maxipads are visibly getting evermore desperate. Darknet BTC abandonment is only speeding up while the ugly truth about its fraudulent price action is now starting to spread and will blackpill more and more people every day.

Muh historical price action and Saylorist moonfag narratives are basically all they've got left, they're on the ropes and don't even know it.

So yeah, expect the FUD to ramp up but don't be too bothered, it's just impotent rage, nature will takes its course and and we gotta do is sit back and wait.

>>55176460
they aren't being paid a lot

>>55176133
Like that pseudointellectual attempting the qna said, its multiple heads of the jewish hydra trying to keep xmr underground, underutilized and undervalued so they can pump it when they roll out their cbdc agenda by decade's end. Its digital blockbusting.

>>55176133
>just regular trolls regularly trolling?
they seem to come around quite quickly

>>55177675
much like agents monitoring

Paul Puey of Edge gushing about Monero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_qfatLAnFM&t=2569s

Looks like the devs are starting to lay the groundwork for replacing ring signatures with zk-SNARKs. Imagine being a Zcuck right now lol

Please be patient with me, but how can buying Monero online be safe? You're going to have to trade money from some bank somehow, but that means there will be a transaction with your name on it. Would it be better or worse for privacy buying bitcoin first and then buying monero with it?

Why are btc maxis so desperate? If they realize they're sitting on a shitcoin they can just swap for XMR. It's not like anyone can stop them. It's weird, like they can't admit they should adjust their strategy because their life depends on it.

>>55178456

Will never happen, Monero has too much spaghetti code that would first need to be rewritten.

Furthermore, unlicensed use of Zcash tech would be grounds for a lawsuit that would drain the General Fund dry and cripple all further development.

Its easier to just use Zcash directly, at least you can buy it on Coinbase, no swapping required.

>>55178456
> 53:10 'What did the Monero Community even do to try to get it adopted?'
> Monero Chan not mentioned
I don't really blame them since they're talking about ease of use and privacy by default driving adoption, but I'm sure Monero Chan had an influence, more than people realizes.

>>55178732
Because they built their personality around Bitcoin, since most of them don't have anything else interesting going on.
Do you even hear them talk about being able to buy stuff with Bitcoin anymore? I mostly hear about how it's supposed to "go to the moon", how it will go to 100k or whatever. They just seem to want to use the technology to get rich and not to use it as a peer-to-peer electronic cash system.
They are just trying to work with an inherently flawed system, having to apply patches to it (see Lightning Network) and refuse to even consider anything other that Bitcoin because it would go against everything they preach for.
What makes everything ironic is how many of them are supposed to be libertarian, but refuse the idea of competing currencies and don't seem to understand that the free market (darknet) is already solidifying on their preferred currency.

>>55179621
>community is formed around a new tech that lets them escape the shackles of fiat
>latecomers only see it as a vehicle to gain more fiat
Many such cases. If you’ve ever wondered why they come in here laughing at our exchange prices, that’s why. Their goal is completely alien to ours

>>55172867
>XMR will play a role in the acceleration of CBDC adoption
Okay fine, I'll bite. How is this supposed to happen? Use ebin Monero haxors to scare people towards CBDCs?

>>55179621
I still don't get it. I'm an Bitcoin OG, I was on the first Silk Road, etc. But I was excited by the idea of a decentralized, permissionless currency, not Bitcoin the name or project specifically. I never got into any alt scams and the only cryptos I ever used are BTC and XMR. Just because I was a BTC maxi 10 years ago doesn't mean I have be be so now. Things change, superior tech comes out and we as users have to adapt or die. Why cling to outdated, compromised tech when better stuff is out, with tangible improvements? I don't get this small mindedness. Maybe they don't want to be one of "those people" who get scammed on shitcoins and take it too far? Tribalism? It's really puzzling to me.

>>55179621
I do get the moon angle, but ultimately I see more potential in XMR going up long-term even though it's not the point. But that's what will probably make it more valuable eventualy since it's actually being adopted and used as intended. There are a lot of places that only take XMR, but BTC-only is rare. Usually places that take BTC also take LTC, ETH, etc. I guess it's a midwit trap kind of thing, but I'm nit sure the fudders/trolls around here are a representative sample.

>>55179524
Monero-chan can be pure business when she needs to be.

>>55178611
It depends on your threat model and what you're trying to accomplish. If you're trying to get some the most private way possible, you want to go on localmonero and mail cash P2P. It only really matters if you try to go back to fiat from Monero in terms of taxes anyway. Ideally your Monero purchase is one way and you use it to buy goods.

>>55179811
I don't get it either, I didn't buy in but I've been aware of Bitcoin from pretty early on, 2012. I remember thinking about the problems with a clear ledger at the time, some benefits as well if the government used it. I don't understand the psychology of Bitcoin maxis either, so completely unable to listen to reason. Argued many times with a guy I know about it and he literally just ignores any points I bring up about the problems with Bitcoin and why it can't achieve its original goals. He just repeats talking points about fixed supply and length of the chain.

/g/ says Monero has been cracked:

>>>/g/93855266
>>>/g/93855288
>>>/g/93855717
>>>/g/93855141

>>55180719

Obvious troll is obvious.

>>55180323

Book type = wife material

>>55179438
You know it's opensource with an MIT license right?

You wouldn't just go on the internet and be retarded, right?

>>55181053

>>55179438
>0.05 zec have been transfered.
>to unlock funds please confirm your identity and submit a request explaining where are you planing to spend these funds.
>this process might take up to 48 hours.

>>55173371

You are very welcome.

I would like to think that the points 1. and 2. in >>55173213
are getting stronger and stronger, 6. is the most potent attack vector from what I see.

Justin and others did a very good job in their response to MiCA regulations but unfortunately it was not taken seriously by the experts. This was mostly because the response did not kowtow to the PTB in the space and did not contain "right" buzzwords (or right co-authors). Nonetheless I do not think XMR is going away anywhere.
Article 68 can be used to attack the utility/user-base, but it can end up becoming pain in the ass to the enforcers as many people start using XMR to buy things and move away from CEQs.

I hope the XMR users learn more about the tactics of 5th generation warfare. You can witness the attacks being ramped up in this very general over the past few months.

>>55174024
>humanizing parasitic jews and their ghouls.
Call them Evil, but do not call them Elite. They are not Elite.
(You)

>>55179788
>Okay fine, I'll bite.
Don’t bite. Biting might lead to infection.

>XMR will play a role in the acceleration of CBDC adoption
How is this supposed to happen? Use ebin Monero haxors to scare people towards CBDCs?

The argument is from Gresham’s Law really.
Assume that the following currencies exist in a system:
1. Precious Metals
2. BTC
3. Paper fiat
4. Digital Fiat
5. XMR

Gresham’s law dictates that the shittiest currency gets the highest adoption (by the headless majority). Preference to spend is ordered as 4>2>3>5>1 . You and I might not adopt Digital Fiat and trade meat and eggs using XMR only, but the majority will.

Normies will not do shit without the TV man telling them to do. If the TV man says XMR is le bad and can’t be bought on CEQs, normies won’t bother.

XMR usage will most likely be like Linux usage. Linux is infinitely superior to M$, but normies still use M$.

Capisce?

>>55175895
OG Wirey has curly hairs due to RingCT. Math prevents you from combing it.

>>55181876
>>55181865
>>55181792
>>55181773
your writing is sophomoric and cringe. obvious teenager and LARP

>>55181792
I hate to be semantic, but using such flowery words such as "Providence" anywhere in describing them implies God somehow will not damn them as well as you for meddling with His creation. You have to admit you're part of the problem, or your words just won't carry weight among men who strive to be free. That being said, as much as I would want to disagree with your >>55181865 post, I can't. I can only say that its merely stating the obvious. The pertinent questions are: What should we do and by when, in order to stave off the beast?

Nice to see I2P getting some representation at Prague's MoneroKon.

Zcash is destined to beat monero, unfortunately. Let's put aside that the code has a kyc backdoor. At the end of the day, all of the academics and anonymity researchers are at Zcash. They have the cutting edge ideas and research unfortunately. Who does Monero have? Human Resource raider Ricardo Spagni? Howard "I gotta sneeze, aaaaahhhh"-Chu? Add to this comical team of misfits the fact that Europe is finally cracking down on privacy coins. Only coins like Zcash that have baked in ways of complying with regulation while providing users cryptographically backed privacy, will survive this purge. Writing the above breaks my heart. I used to be a hardcore monero fan but the amount of skilled engineers, academics and leaders in Zcash overwhelmed my devotion to Monero. From a purely logical point of view, it is the superior technology

>>55183635

Based Nigerian village feeder.

>>55183620

Here's a Monero representation that i have made based on 1776 american revolucionst mixed with Poupas (a big bird adaptation of Portugal's Sesame Street program).

>>55181865
>XMR usage will most likely be like Linux usage. Linux is infinitely superior to M$, but normies still use M$.
So basically you can live a comfy life using nothing but XMR if you're not a retard.
Good enough for me.

>>55183920
Assuming you've collected enough beforehand.

ok what happened to atomic wallet?
how do we know we are safe?
i'm scared
what's the safest way to protect your hold stack?
hug me anon

>>55184489
nigger just use feather wallet on a tailsOS persistent storage

>>55184550

>>55184489
>>55184550
Is it really too much to ask to just use the official wallet or some cheap chink phone with Monerujo or something? Don't people clearly see those scam wallets for what they are? Especially when it's some closed source piece of shit. Like how many red flags do you need?

>>55179811
I used bitcoin in 2015 for its intended purpose

the thing is most people did not, so they don't understand why monero is better

only an extremely painful experience, bitcoin's inevitable crash will be able to teach them

and every day I fantasize about it and how amazing it will be

Do any of you monero chads know about running monero node and wallet thru tor? I’m remotely attempting to connect to my node. I created hidden service editing the torrc file typing: HiddenServiceDir var/lib/tor/monero-hidden-service/. HiddenServicePort 127.0.0.1:18081. And in my config file I got p2p-bind-ip=127.0.0.1 and proxy=127.0.0.1:9050. This all works fine except my wallet won’t sync more research lead me to adding a line called “anonymous-inbound[hiddenserviceaddress].onion:18081,(#peers). Something like that it’s the anonymous inbound line where you apparently must use in order to allow a remote wallet connect to your node via your hidden service address. Unfortunately any time I add the anonymous inbound line it tells me “failed to initialize p2p server”. Struggling to make this work I want top of the line anonymity for my money.

>>55178456

>replacing ring signatures with zk-SNARKs

How about fucking NO. Tranny tech doesn't belong in Monero. Monero should be highly secure, conservative (tech wise), well-understood, and non-backdoored, all of which go out the window with zkSNARKs. I'm all for researching SAFE full-membership proofs, but let's not compromise Monero's security for the sake of nominal / practically null improvements to real world privacy. Focus on Seraphis for now, its modularity allows replacing deecoy-based membership proofs with full ones in the future, and the massive ringsize bump is good for privacy anyway.

>>55185773
this.
even with open ledger chains, surveillance makes a lot of false positive/negatives .
>>55181865
this is an pessimistic approach. It could be just as well the other way around. The first telephones were used by the mob, but niggers and nomies alike all use them now.
>>55183920
>So basically you can live a comfy life using nothing but XMR if you're not a retard.
>Good enough for me.
this too

>>55185773

lol relax, Seraphis still comes first. This would be the upgrade that comes after.

Monero is fed psyop shitcoin that only continues thanks to support from exchanges, reddit mods, and delusional coke dealers that think they aren't funding the CIA. After realizing that they should probably have a contingency plan for delisting they began to pursue atomic swaps. Sadly their tech fucking blows and the closest they can get is a shitty bisq clone with an assigned arbitrator, so it is neither trustless nor decentralized. Their most famous advocate is dead from (((self inflicted))) wounds not long after the IRS launched an initiative to trace XMR transactions. Their public face is currently locked up and since his arrest, previously undisclosed vulnerabilities have surfaced.

Also since his arrest, you can actually subscribe to a service which purports to have the ability to trace xmr transactions for only $16,000/yr. All of which is fud according to the xmr maximalists whom nest in this general [arguably federally funded]. Choose your adventure, forge your own path, but be aware that Monero fags are enemies of privacy who seek only a monopoly on the private cryptocurrency sphere. Monero is cancer to crypto privacy. Ring signatures are an easily defeatable encryption scheme. By simply identifying the decoys and isolating valid transactions you can analyze and isolate all valid network transactions. This is exactly what Binance (and every other chink exchange) is paying ciphertrace to do, as you read this.

Bitcoin always wins, baggies.

>>55188215
ever since the ceo of monero got locked up he's been singing like a bird. the whole chain has been cracked. cope more monero faggots

>>55188215
Anon, Its open fuckin source. You are either too retarded to post here, or a glowie nigger
https://github.com/monero-project/monero

Is ^ a pasta or do I need to go through it and apply [citation needed] every five words?

>>55188215
>>55188528

Ok

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>>55189581

Based.

>>55145301
Some hopium bros?

>>55190191
Bottom was $99 and we won't be going back.

>>55186137

>this is an pessimistic approach.
You are correct. I am a little pessimist about the state of the cattle sometimes.

> It could be just as well the other way around.
Do normies use Linux for Linux sake?

> The first telephones were used by the mob
Almost all mobs (that I know of) were just CIA/OSS in a drag. Yes, Mobs were one of the first ones to use telephones... just like the Intelligencia were the first ones to use BTC then or XMR now.

> , but niggers and nomies alike all use them now.
The 'telephones' back then were secure and private long distance instant communication medium. Can you tell the same about the telephone that niggers and normies use now?

>>55183920

>So basically you can live a comfy life using nothing but XMR if you're not a retard.
Kind of. Using XMR when CBDCs are around will be like remaining unvaccinated when jabbies are getting boosted left and right, just to keep their vax-passports updated.
Not all can handle the peer, social, economic and structural pressures.

>Good enough for me.
Good enough for me too! My computer got fried last year! Hurray!

>>55183473

> You have to admit you're part of the problem, or your words just won't carry weight among men who strive to be free.
I am having this discussion on this forum, ain't I?

> The pertinent questions are: What should we do and by when, in order to stave off the beast?
The 'beast' will have it's way with the majority.. in my opinion. I will answer the question 'What should we do...' at a later point.

>>55188536
its a pasta now lmao

>>55190449
>> It could be just as well the other way around.
>Do normies use Linux for Linux sake?
they don't have to. I was a normie, couldn't stand forced updates, ads, spyware and so on, so I learned Linux.
Once they start fucking normies up the ass even more, and THEY will. They will figure it out. Normies are not fucked up the ass enough yet.
>>55190449
>> The first telephones were used by the mob
>Almost all mobs (that I know of) were just CIA/OSS in a drag. Yes, Mobs were one of the first ones to use telephones... just like the Intelligencia were the first ones to use BTC then or XMR now.
yea so? Your just proving my point. Yes the mob and government are the same people. The government is just the most ruthless ones that make it to the top. New tech trickles down to normies, it just takes time. Its more than a favorable bet that XMR will in time, just like the telephone did.
>>55190449
>> , but niggers and nomies alike all use them now.
>The 'telephones' back then were secure and private long distance instant communication medium. Can you tell the same about the telephone that niggers and normies use now?
Smart money is moving away from smartphones now, that is besides the point. Same as cars, etc. This is a slippery slope, doesn't have to do with the fact that good tech trickles down in time

>>55188215

holy shit what happened???

>>55193417

IT'S OVER

>>55145301
I only have 2.2 monero guys, am I gonna make it?

>>55180719
> /g/
> 2020+4
anon I....

>>55145301
If a Anon wanted to buy obscure illegal plant medicine like khat or ibogian using Monero, how would they go about this?

>>55193824
>how to obtain illegals with 'neros

Ask on Dread, not 4chan.

>>55194030
Thanks

>>55193689
>I only have 2.2 monero guys, am I gonna make it?
You know how to use and buy XMR, that skill alone puts you ahead of the curve

Love how maxi memes always seem to dwell only on NGU and HODL

>>55193417
?

This is the year bitcoin dumps to irrelevance and the last time to get monero cheapies during that dump

Doesn't this shitcoin have an infinite supply?

>>55196166
Just like gold

>>55145301
Does anyone have the Hitler Monero memes?

Someone bake?

>>55196770

On the way.

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