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just useless roastie doing useless roasty shit for other useless roasties.

>>55092118
>as if the marketing and HR teams are colluding against me.
They are. You're not part of their social club so they'll reprimand and ostracize you like they're still in highschool.

>>55092118
If this isn't bait, you were supposed to explain what the point of "that" was

Typical woman shit. It takes the form "do X...wait for a reaction to X...attack the reaction to X..." where X is some act that would typically get a guy knocked the fuck out if he attempted it. This is why they generally don't belong in the work place. There is a whole suite of antisocial biological imperatives they're operating on that I have yet to see a single one of them ever fully suppress.

>>55092118
I see this mistake made a lot. Try to understand understand how unpredictable human input/outputs are and assess the doman of probability before making your statement. You should have taken control then and there, found out exactly what wasn't clear and why it's something marketing is concerned by. Leaving any ambiguity around on the day and allowed her to go and reframe the interaction however she wanted. Remember this: if someone in your organisation has more clout than you, don't give them room to do this. You need to cover yourself from bad actors, regardless of their gender or being a part of HR. Take care baby engo.

Say you have Asperger's and accuse them of Title IX harrassment

Invoking ADA or the Civil Rights Act will always make HR bend knee

>>55092201
actually this was much more succinct

>>55092118
>HR

You have too many assumptions, get rid of them as you sound autistic.

If a manager asks a question, it doesn’t matter who they are or who you are you should answer their question because otherwise you just look like a retard who can’t answer questions.

>>55092185
>. You're not part of their social club so they'll reprimand and ostracize you like they're still in highschool
They aren't in the same team so it doesn't make sense

>>55092201
>you were supposed to explain what the point of "that"
That's what they said but it wasn't a question that she asked. I cannot read minds.

>>55092211
>You should have taken control then and there, found out exactly what wasn't clear
Anon thank you for the long advice but my issue is that how was I meant to know she was asking a question? it feels like a mine field and I have to read minds to see what she means rather than taking things at face value especially under the pressure of a presentation. The question asker wasn't a part of HR just marketing they are two different teams if that helps.

>>55092213
I'm just doing my job anon.

>>55092235
>If a manager asks a question, it doesn’t matter who they are or who you are you should answer their question
Anon please read the OP. They didn't "ask a question" they just stated they didn't understand something technical which is expected as they are not an engineer and from a different team. I should have done a tl;dr.

>>55092218
OP should also know that any shitty pajeet engineer can do FEA, but only a white man can understand it, and explain it in a way that non technical people can understand

>>55092249
god damn son you out here peeling back some layers lmao

>>55092246
I did read OP. They asked a question and if you don’t see that you are autistic. It’s not up to you to decide what they need to or not need to understand you should try to answer their questions as best you can especially if they are a manager as you are subordinate to them and you need to understand that you need to do
best to accomodate managers, even if they are retards, this is the game and how you stay employed.

>>55092211
>women
>human

uncanny valley frogbot thread

>>55092284
To be honest with you anon im not interested in playing 'games', I just want to fix the designs. It was clear there was a question time at the end of the presentation so even if you wanted to ask a question she could have bottled it to the appropriate time rather than interrupting. It feels like everything I do is wrong and I have to be a mind reader to help accommodate these imbeciles and normies.

>>55092305
I don't understand why you think that way

>>55092213
This is your only option

>>55092118
>autism deluxe
Next time have your sex robot clarify to her

>>55092305
It’s not up to you to decide what she should have done, that she should have asked questions at the end, she asked a question in the middle and it’s her prerogative as a manager to do what she likes so it’s up to you to accomodate that’s what you need to understand.

Welcome to life, if you are smarter than average almost everyone you meet will be retarded so get used to it

>>55092305
go with the autism thing and press them on it. You definitely sound like an autistic engineer. You could probably get a cash settlement out of this. Or just forget it happened because nothing ever comes from these HR shit tests. Literally dont acknowledge that they ever brought it up to you

>>55092305
That's how the normie system works. Systems work well when they break down the people within them.

>>55092305
>To be honest with you anon im not interested in playing 'games
>took a job with roasite HR and what im assuming is a large corp
Pick one m8, life is all about these little games

>>55092118
You have aspergers my friend, very common in the engineer field

>>55092284
"I don't understand" isnt a question faggot.

>>55092246
Dude it is a mine field and you just stepped on a big one. Thankfully our brains are very good at learning what mines are, and you can learn from this. She hit you with a VERY vague statement, I'd be turning it straight back on her, asking what exactly about your design she didn't understand and where her concerns lie. So yeah, you didn't really get a question from her, but what she did do is flag a gap in understanding in your presentation, which you should address right there in case anyone else is confused but not speaking up. You want to be flogging yourself AAAALLLLLLLL the time if you really want to be a value powerhouse (for yourself or for a wage, that's another conversation). You need to constantly attack your own position to strengthen it. These kind of moments are opportunities, if you can look at them this way. But hey, 100% I'm sorry to hear this is happening to you. Worst case this gets a bit much and you'll lose this job and get another but I think if you're humble and can say the right words to the right people you can recover from this if you need to keep the job.

>>55092404
Another autistic engineer my condolences to you

>>55092118
what she meant was "please explain that in simpler terms for me" but neither of you want to acknowledge that

>>55092405
Wow lol this is probably the nicest way you could have said it to him

>>55092305
>it feels like everything I do is wrong
That’s the whole point of a job, to psychologically degrade you and waste your life. I’d take speech and people management classes to avoid this again. Women are difficult beings in the workplace.

>>55092404
Thanks anon. Glad to see I am not just the only one who thinks this is the most straight forward understanding of what that statement means rather than reading it through 10 different filters.

>>55092405
Thanks anon i'll think about it. It is all a bit nonsensical in my opinion.

>>55092413
Then why wouldn't she just say that? Why not just ask that during the designated question time?

All women do is gaslight because they can't admit they're wrong

They'll gaslight to the point you think you're going crazy, but they're lying through their teeth and the correct response is don't even acknowledge them

>>55092246
Why would she have made her confusion apparent if she did not want an explanation?

>>55092118

Clarify what you mean, and if it's not what she's confused by, then she'll rephrase and get more specific. This way you can move on without asking "what do you mean, what don't you get dummy"

You unironically sound autistic. Also probably had anxiety during the presentation and just wanted to get it done with, like 99% of people in STEM. Or maybe childish passive aggression? Don't they have marketing teams for presentations?

>>55092469
Ding ding ding

>>55092469
She feels stupid and wants to blame it on his explanation out loud. My ex-gf does this shit all the time. I had female co-workers do it too.

>>55092472
You unironically sound gay and retarded

>>55092118
First off, OP you are based and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Second off, based people do not get ahead in the corporate world.

>>55092479
Unironically that's what a gay retard would post

>>55092478
Or she just wanted an explanation.

>>55092118
>FEA topology

This is completely trivial to explain, it’s a mathematical technique used to find the weakest part of a structure/component/assembly/thingy

Bunch of autists trying to give advice on how to do presentations: The thread

quit on the spot or youre a chump ass gaggot

>>55092118
lol another 4chan autist getting BTFO. You love to see it.

>>55092118
HR will always be the dumbest sons of bitches on the face of the earth. You either handle them with kid gloves and talk to them like they're retarded without being patronizing, or you quit and get a job somewhere that doesn't have a shitbag HR department/contracts it out to a hiring agency. Thems the breaks, deal with it or leave.

>>55092118
>>55092469
Yeah, pretty obvious they wanted an explanation about it lmao.
> 'arrogantly and misogynistically humiliated' the colleague during the meeting.
Seems like a massive overreaction though.

TLDR: from outsider point of view everyone involved seems pretty autistic/retarded to me lmao

>>55092118
Why was she there in the first place?

>>55092502
And what happens when they equate 'mathematical technique' to magic? Its turtles all the way down of them not understanding the subject manner and would have bogged the presentation down.

>>55092469
People do lots of strange irrational things. I can't hand hold people. Why not just ask the question like a normal person?

>>55092652
It isn't obvious especially during a presentation. Ask the questions like an adult/professional. You can't expect me to fill in the gaps on the fly.

>>55092439
No problem, don't start praying that it will start making sense - address the madness head on.

>>55092118
>"I don't understand the point of that"
>I politely responded
Based. If you genuinely didn't realise you were being based it kind of becomes cringe though.

>>55092836
Well said.

>>55092748
As a woman I don't think it was misogynistic, I have no patience with dopey cows from HR either. At the companies I have worked at we have rule that designers aren't in developer meetings for this very reason, they are disruptive and the meeting becomes unproductive.

Was this a client-facing presentation or internal for the benefit of people working on the project? If it was client-facing you have to find a tactic for such dumb interruptions because clients are super dumb.

Some people don't grow out of college and still believe "there are no stupid questions", and don't understand a level of knowledge is expected in professional environments.

Next time someone says what she said push the question back on them and say "which part?", and if they don't specify which say "I can't help you if you can't specify which part is confusing you" and if they proceed to be disruptive "take you're time, we're all here to learn from each other", the peer pressure of them being a moron with everyone waiting for the presentation to continue will stop them from disrupting again.

>>55092118
I read the thread and I agree with you that the whole incident is stupid and you did nothing wrong, other than maybe you should have recommended her to hold questions until the end, specifically. However the real lesson here is to know your audience; if you are doing a presentation for non-technicals, then minimize the technical details, especially math. Normalfags can't into that shit so don't even try.
t. mathfag in corporate

>>55092847
As a man, you need to start suckin'

>>55092854
Peak autism, I'm sure that'll work out for you.

>>55092118
>do your job properly
>get reprimanded cause some useless roastie got offended
Ahahahahaha what a cuck life man. It's not gonna get better.

>>55092847
>>55092850
I appreciate both of your responses but my gripe is that she didn't ask a question and just made a statement. If she asked me to explain it I could have spent days on it. I don't know how I was meant to understand she was asking a question.

>>55092866
>she didn't ask a question and just made a statement
You're absolutely right, but unfortunately she's the one in a position of power and you have to be tactical about these things. The entire culture of HR is absolutely stupid, 20 years back you wouldn't have a gobby secretary being disruptive, but now "everyone is smart in their own special way".

>>55092748
But wtf is the point of a presentation if the people you're presenting it to don't understand what's going on? It's not exactly a big gap to fill. Either way "no problem" doesn't really make any sense as an answer to that lmao.

Considering her overreaction though there might be something else going on there she seems autistic/retarded herself and simply coping and trying to place blame on someone else(you) and you could've been fucked no matter how you answered.

Personally I would've just seen the situation as funny/awkward. Trying to pull some "misogyny" card is just obviously retarded.

>>55092847
>Next time someone says what she said push the question back on them and say "which part?"
This.

>>55092246
Definitely autistic

>>55092920
Yeah these women are problem, they're bad with men but holy fuck will they give other women that do technical jobs a bad time. Nobody likes them, they are totally dysfunctional at what they do and yet they often get paid more than junior developers who actually do a job. The kicker is when companies don't understand why they struggle to find talent, like that HR lady doesn't understand a goddamn thing on the CV she is reading, how is she meant to clock who is lying about their proficiency and who isn't? By phoning up the HR lady at the companies listed on the CV?

>>55092847
Brilliant. No tits needing to be shown here nor any gtfo-ing.

>>55092836
>If you genuinely didn't realise you were being based it kind of becomes cringe though.
No, that just makes it natural and inherent. Needing to do it with volition is like a tranny pretending to be feminine.

>>55092235
I’m in a leadership position at a Fortune 500 company. This guy just signed his death warrant to never be promoted. At the same time there is nothing wrong with staying at the level. He does seem “autistic” in the way he handled the interaction.

>>55092847
Women don’t belong in the workplace

>>55092118
You should've said "no problem, we'll come back to it". While you didn't mean anything by it, just saying "no problem" sounded like "you're in an idiot" to their ears.

>>55093047
Even if women weren't in the workplace you would still be a shut-in incel. There is no timeline in which you are successful.

All HR is retarded no exceptions. All of them deserve execution by flaying

>>55093030
>This guy just signed his death warrant to never be promoted
Even if I didn't do anything wrong?

>>55093067
>You should've said "no problem, we'll come back to it".
1. I didn't perceive it to be a question so I wouldn't have thought to respond like that
2. We were not going to 'come back to it'
Sorry anon but I couldn't lie to her.
>just saying "no problem" sounded like "you're in an idiot" to their ears
I was certainly thinking it but I didn't say it so it shouldn't matter. Anon out of curiosity can you see the logic and rationality in my response?

>>55093074
You need to start suckin'

>>55093106
>Even if I didn't do anything wrong?
Kids that did nothing wrong in high school still got beatings, life is not fair.

>>55093106
Is there anyway to spin this so you can say English isn't your first language and she's being xenophobic?

>>55092213
Do this and post results OP

>>55092235
I'm in tears at this thread

>"I don't understand the point of that"
>No problem

>>55093020
He wasn't pretending, he's just autistic. When Chad says "shut up bitch" he knows he's being rude.

>>55093020
Honestly to be fair, OP was perfectly right and his response was polite

It's just blatant quoting out of context by HR and the woman

>>55092118
>no problem
I'm dying!

>>55092118
Nothing wrong with burning these shitty companies down.

>>55092118
Kek why are engineers so often socially retarded you could have just said “I would love the chance to help you understand, let’s sync after the presentation is over so I can make sure I get to everything in time” and then spent 5m with them boring them to death on shit they’ll never grasp and they would just walk away happy that they got special attention

This is why I’ll never understand the arrogance of coders, you guys think you’re the most important people but you would get fuck all done in the real world 99% of the time because you have zero ability to understand how to make the world work for you.

>>55093202
Why pretend you like them? Retards like you never understand the lack of patience or pretence in dealing with these retards. If you pretend once then you'll have to pretend forever. That's no way to live.

>>55093202
>“I would love the chance to help you understand, let’s sync after the presentation is over so I can make sure I get to everything in time”

That has to be the gayest thing I've ever read

>>55092866
Are you genuinely autistic to the point you don't comprehend that someone interrupting you with "I don't understand" means they would like you to help them understand. Does the lack of a question mark at the end of the previous sentence in this post prevent you from realizing it was a question? Are you a Markov chain chatbot from the 90s pretending to be human? Do you need clothes, boots and a motorcycle?

>>55092501
she wouldn't need an explanation if she understood though, would she? in conclusion the point youre trying to refute still stands.

>>55092847
yeah yeah nice opinion femoid. now it's time for you to get back to sucking

>>55092501
>Works at engineering firm
>Doesn't understand a lick of engineering
Do roasties really? Honestly the arrogance of even interrupting instead of taking notes and researching it afterwards. If anything she should be lauded for making a complete bafoon of herself.

>>55092404
Yeah it is. Its a statement that is another way of saying "can you clarify?"
I doubt she just blurted it out for no reason. Most the time if people don't understand something in a meeting they just nod their head and pretend they do so they don't look stupid in front of others. Clearly she had enough concerns or felt understanding it better to actually bring it up and autistic op blew her off.

>>55093268
You have to make the effort with dealing with retards though because business is full of them and this is how you become a leader, you become a sociopath. You have to get to the top by having everyone like you and where you really are just using people as ends and getting what you want out of each interaction.

>>55093330
Autists don't know how to explain things. The difference between making 100K a year and 300K a year is not being a sperg who can't dumb things down for others to grasp.
Also fuck codemonkeys who call themselves "engineers".

This thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6qn2FZdX1Y

Life imitates art.

>>55093353
I could do this but don't see the point. I can see a scenario where I pander to their self importance and eventually make them feel stupid for not doing enough to understand. For a person not interested in climbing the ladder I honestly don't see the point. Most coders don't want to climb the ladder because they like coding, why is it so difficult for normies to understand this. Climbing the ladder means dealing with retards all day long and not getting to code. That's why working from home is so comfy.

autisimos should all be executed

>>55093400
Hate to break it to you but you will be dealing with retards for the rest of your life just take this as a lesson to learn from in the future now how to deal with them better in the future.

The more senior you go in your work even when you deal with CEO’s, C level executives it doesn’t get better, all of them can be retarded in their own ways and give you unclear, contradictory or nonsense directions and you are just going to have to learn to deal with it without explicitly telling them they are retarded or hurting their feelings etc

>>55093368
KEK every thread on 4chan more like it

>>55092847
Actual good advice but you will never be a real woman.

>>55092118
kek you're such an autist OP
you should've been fired on the spot
>>55092847
you will never be a woman

>>55092847
Heeey queeen very heckin powerful and valid stuff you wrote there :P didn't read any of it though, anyways, do you sell feet pics for dogecoin

>>55092185
>like they're still in highschool.
They ARE still in highschool
It's the ultimate blackpill for career jobs

Giving women voting rights was the greatest mistake in the history of modern civilization

>>55092213
Sounds solid

>>55092118
I have been in similar positions many times and I almost regret stepping down to try and explain things to women. You were based.

>>55092847
Get rid of the semicolon

>>55092284
How is a statement a question? Saying that a car is red is not a question

>>55093106
>1. I didn't perceive it to be a question so I wouldn't have thought to respond like that
I do understand that, but her understanding and your understanding were different, hence the confusion.

>>55092305
>imbeciles
Says the literal autist

>>55092118
Because in this case HR is correct. If someone did not understand your point, you dumb it down and explain in dumb words. Clearly you are too autistic to be around people.

Just say you're autistic and didn't understand it was a question.
If anything further happens, lawyer and social worker up.
Threaten to quit for hostile environments for the neuro-diverse.

Or you could dismiss her by saying that questions will be taken at the end of the presentation. That's usually enough for someone to lose interest especially if no one else had any questions. If she insists, then tell her to schedule a meeting for an in depth explanation where you drown her with technical details. Make her work hard enough to understand.

>>55093183
>>55093137
There more I read it the more it makes me laugh.
Thanks, OP.

OP i think you unironically have Asperger’s. See I might have made the same blunder but I would have realised it immediately afterwards. The fact that you still can’t see it wasn’t socially appropriate makes me think you should go with the autism defense.
I’d have said I made a faux pas but it wasn’t intentional and I had to wish to humiliate anyone. It was just a misunderstanding. I’d try to avoid overtly apologising to not sound like a bitch.

>>55092118
>"I don't understand the point of that". I politely responded "no problem

Kek based af, would burst out laughing.

But anyway next time choose one of the 3 routes

Beta : Sorry to hear you don't understand the point of that, can you tell me why then I will explain.

Alpha : Good question, the point is <text>

Psycho : I understand it's hard to understand (makes her feel inferior to herself and the group). I will explain it ... (do this with a retard simple explanation like she is a child)

What everyone is missing in this thread is that the OP is probably a skinny fat baby-faced man child and him pulling the Chad move of simply ignoring the roastie's question offended her because of that. If he was a chiseled jaw 6 ft Chad the roastie would have orgasmed right there by the sheer balls of him ignoring her stupid woman question like that in a room full of people.

>>55094142
based

>>55092221
>that webm
Murder should be legal.

>>55093348
It’s because she’s a woman. A guy would be told to stop wasting everyone’s time. But a guy wouldn’t expect someone to be able to give them a crash course during a meeting that makes them an engineer.

Are you retarded? She didn’t ask a question? “I don’t understand the point of that” carries the very obvious, implicit question “What is the point?”

Assume an engineer (maybe imagine a trainee) saying the same thing, would you have dismissed them to? Or would you have taken the time to explain the point?

>>55093030
My uncle works at Nintendo

>>55094743
Oh mine works at bitcoin, maybe they know each other anon.

>>55092118
You seem humiliated a women who is in a position of authority over you in front of your peers, so now you get punished.
What’s not to get wagie?d202y

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>ding ding ding
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>Brilliant. No tits needing to be shown here nor any gtfo-ing.
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If anyone is wondering at all this reddit tier white knighting it's because reddit and imgur are being trading publicly now and have purge a large amount of safe edgy users from there respective websites.
https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/

>>55092118
This is hilarious and yes you are in the right.
Welcome to clown world.

>>55092246
>They aren't in the same team so it doesn't make sense
They're part of "I know I'm stupid and I must play politics" club

>>55094793
based calling it out anon
fuck these cunts who don't belong anywhere
this is an autistic website

>>55092246
>They aren't in the same team so it doesn't make sense

you are fucking clueless, they are part the same social click, and you arent part of it. You humilated one of their tribe members and now you are in their crosshairs for retribution.

>>55093268
youre paid to, thats why

>>55093030
>I’m in a leadership position at a Fortune 500 company
no you're not

>>55092185
This
These fucking women are insane and need to be stopped

>>55092118
>"I don't understand the point of that"
>"no problem"
>keeps going as if nothing happened

chad move, OP is based as fuck

>>55092118
Unemployment rate is 3%, for people who are actually qualified that approaches 0, your firm is very lucky to be employing you, you can find a higher paying job whenever you want, and you deserve unlimited respect in your domain, which this arrogant marketeer did not know.

Email her, CC the head of HR, your boss, and your boss's boss.

Subject: You are courting death.

Body: You're a thousand years too early to challenge me in this field. I will crush you like a bug if you do not kowtow immediately.

>>55095352
>Unemployment rate is 3%
Lies.
Recalculate and include the omitted.

>>55092249
facts

>>55092246
all of these are technically correct.
heres a better goto as someone who worked in engineering consulting and had to please stupid people in crowds.
> what doesn't make sense?
> in the interest of time I assumed this as pre-requisite knowledge for this presentation.
> I'd be happy to go into it deeper one on one
they will almost never take you up on this offer

>>55092118
If you had been a chad, she would have just giggled and gotten wet at that response. But because you are not a chad, you get slammed with a HR complain. Such is life

>>55095361
The least important part of my assertion is what you question? Shall we trade pointers you swine?

>>55092118
>marketing
>HR
>higher up roasties
lol at wagecucks
you had 14 years, hfsp

>>55095433
This thread is the proof this site is now infested with sois and white knight normalniggers.

>>55092118
Literally just adding “we can go over questions at the end of the presentation” instead of just saying “no problem” and moving on like an autist was all you had to do to save your career.

What was the design thing she didn't understand?

>>55092213
this

>>55095501
>OP is an autist
>HR whore is not autistic for linking everything to misogyny
>in a world even looking at woman in a "bad way" gets you fire
>No, OP (whose entire field of study is autism) must feel bad for stating the difference in role between parts in the same system
You and 90% of this thread should just kys.

>>55093300
Checked and I don’t disagree but it keeps you from having to sit across from the HR roastie getting reprimanded and there’s no way the retard who said they don’t understand actually cares to understand so it placates them as well without really any further work. And everyone thinks you’re a hero and you get a raise. If you’re going to be a wagecuck you might as well play the game. OP already up there giving presentations kek how much harder is it to just say non retarded words

>>55095449
>Least important part
It is the most important part and also the first.
I don't question it, i deny it outright.
It is an objective truth that unemployement is above 3%.
It is an objective truth that anyone who tells you that unemployement is at 3% is a liar.
Your argument would have been even stronger if you had posted the actual unemployment rate but you chose not to, or are in ignorance of it.
Thus you only outed yourself by claiming this nonsense and proceeding to construct an argument based on this false assumption which i will correct every time.

>>55092185
Everyone wants to pretend it's because she's a woman but in my experience people who aren't in the technical side in general are the most colossal faggots around
>some retards left an order forever
>on a call with them helping to get this rolling so we can start getting the ball rolling on engineering
>nobody seems to understand what the fuck is going on with this order despite selling it
>i say well we need to go back to the customer and figure this out since it was signed wrong
>good luck anon, let me know how that goes!
>they all laugh
It was absolutely positively one of the most frustrating things I've run into. I almost blew up on them for being totally incompetent. I know damn well these guys make way more than I do. I then got to spend ab hour of my day yesterday chasing down the information to call them retarded to force them to go talk to the customer. What a waste of my God damn time.

>>55095572
I don't think anyone agrees that OP should be in real trouble. Translating from girl violence to boy violence it's like if she accidentally bumped him so he punched her in the face.

Everyone is laughing at OP for having literal Aspergers, but people like him hold up civilization and when he inevitably burns out these Women are going to drive us into the apocalypse
t. also works at one of these companies but lies 24/7 to not piss off HR

>>55095665
Non-technical people know they are not qualified for their positions and are terrified about getting a 'receipt' such as audio of them admitting it. So instead of just working with you they gaslight you and hope you fuck off before you call them out of it.

>>55092213
>mfw one can behave normally in society without backlash by using the aspergers card

>>55095635
You ignorant cuckold.

It is objective truth that employment is at 3%. Your foolish talking point is meaningless, and you have clearly displayed your lack of understanding with your post. If you understood anything about the unemployment rate (of 3%) you would know that it is most relevant with regards to the job market, which is the domain of OP's concern.

Explain to everyone around you why a highly educated and employable person should care about whether or not their current employer might replace them with a person who isn't in the market by virtue of being old, or skill-less, or disabled, or "not currently looking".

We eagerly await your next pointless typographic ejaculation, weakling. Be sure to include your stupid republican politics with your talking points.

>reddit spacing
>appeal to authority
>ironic? shitposts that still makes the website worse
Lets just cannibalize economists instead of listening to their lies

>>55092293
>uncanny valley frogbot thread

>>55095711
My word of advice is to always put things in writing and leave a paper trail. My managers manager tried to throw me under the bus for missing something on an order until I put the message I sent multiple times right in his face. He then backed off and made "teamwide recommendations" so it doesn't happen again after failing to make an example of me.

If you have everything in writing, then the worst that happens is you get fucked anyways because they have a vendetta against you. I haven't had this happen personally but I remember in college some professor told me about how she kept getting called by angry boomers about how she always sent out meeting minutes with action items. Boomers and other retards in general hate email because it suddenly creates accountability.

OP did nothing wrong.

>>55092118
I love autists like you for letting me double my salary because you're all massive retards in comparison. Never change.

>>55095777
>My word of advice is to always put things in writing and leave a paper trail.
Checked for truth. At first, I hated tickets and such, but I came to love them.

>>55095735
>ad hominems
It is not an objective truth that unemployment is at 3% It is your subjective belief.
It is an objective truth that unemployment is above 3%.
I made no argument against the relevancy of the unemployment rate to your larger argument. In fact i supported it's relevancy to your larger argument which you would understand if you weren't immediately seething about the fact i called out your initial false premise.
A false premise which i now think is not anything to do with your personal ignorance of the objective truth of the unemployement rate based upon your reaction to my enlightening of you.
t. Never voted. Apolitical.

>>55095687
>the next Newton and Tesla are stuck as salarymen appeasing random holes instead of fulfilling their destiny of bringing us to the stars
depressing when you really think about it

No-one is pointing out how autistic the HR roastie is either.
She clearly lacked the social ability to say 'that was a question, please help me understand' and felt so bad about it she seethed for hours before projecting her failings on OP and filling a form.

>>55095804
But they will avoid putting things in writing when they can. Or they’ll claim to have done things verbally that they didn’t. That’s how we end up with systems of documentation enforced. You can try to push for such systems by pointing out stuff is falling through the cracks. They’ll counterattack though. They’re really a plague.

>>55092501
Then ask a specific question on what you don't understand about it.

>>55093106
So you thought she just stopped the meeting for fun, to tell you that she didn't understand something for no reason at all? You're a liability at this point. It took me a bit to even understand what you were saying, as in how was "No Problem" even a possible way to respond. Of course she was confused.

WTF do the HR people do on a daily basis? I know they handle newcommer hires and the people who leave or get fired, but what do they do when there are no new hires or leavers?

>>55095572
The corporate world has determined that HR Stacey gets more social protection than autist anon. He must clearly state his intention is not to insult her before reminding her that her input is not worth everyone’s time. Life isn’t fair. Deal with it or get throw under the bus.

>>55092118
smear your feces all over their cars
they will understand that
trust me

>>55092185
Find a smaller firm bro. The corporate firms like S&L, Leidos and Burns are pozzed af.

>>55096732
This in the status ladder autismos are on the bottom rung

>>55096465
Here they are currently busy organizing a gay pride event. There's already anal flags piled up on their desks. That's what they do.

>>55092118
Accuse her of sexually harassing you.

>>55092246
>it wasn't a question that she asked. I cannot read minds.
>my issue is that how was I meant to know she was asking a question?

>>55092246
>They didn't "ask a question" they just stated they didn't understand something technical which is expected as they are not an engineer
>how was I meant to know she was asking a question?
>it wasn't a question that she asked
OP are you an autism? The way she asked ("what's the point") was rude, but you should still be able to interpret it as a question/request for an explanation. If the question annoys you, you're free to explain in a way that makes her feel stupid so she understands you didn't like it.

>>55098021
Btw the correct response was to say "explaining this is out of the scope of the presentation but feel free to approach me after the presentation".

>>55098044
the correct approach is explaining this to a PR women in terms of 'earth-moon distance is like 250,000 elephants lined up'. also you have to point out, that nobody really understands this, so she doesnt feel like the misplaced moron, that she is

>>55092439
>Then why wouldn't she just say that? Why not just ask that during the designated question time?
Because those sorts of women are stupid, entitled, and obnoxious. You should have responded with "Thank you for the question (even though it wasn't a question), we'll have time for questions at the end of the presentation." She thought you were being mean and ignoring her, so she bitched to HR, and HR now thinks you're a woman-hater.

>>55098044
There’s a lot of bad advice in this thread, including this and what that claimed roastie suggested.

>>55093106
>We were not going to 'come back to it'
How would you have felt if you hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday?

>>55094529
I assume a engineer would ask a specific question instead of just making a statement

>>55092208
>>55092211
>>55092235

there's a couple calculative perspectives that are 100% right. The workplace has fallen a lot.

i'll add one more angle that's more controversial: she's living a BS life and wanted to be re-assured her bs position is worth anything.

It's not your job to make her feel better about her mood and life at that time, but its an opportunity for prospective leaders to deal with strained situations gracefully.

it's not productive to say "well technically this is what's up". You'd be right, and alot of people would 'get' what your position, but really they are human beings, and ignoring who has power, whose mood is volatile, who is conniving, is dangerous for you and again, counterproductive for everyone.

>>55098190
I think she’s just lazy. She wants the engineers to do her work for her. Can you imagine a marketing person showing up at an engineering meeting about a product recall and saying “what’s the point?”

>>55092118
not my problem

>she didn't ask a question
>anon isn't capable of making basic inferences
A normal person would automatically infer that the woman wanted an explanation. They would never even need to stop and wonder what she meant, it would be the most obvious thing in the world.

>>55092118
You're stories suck. Write better fiction.

>>55094144
checked, kek'd & probably true

>>55092439
Turning a question into a statement is meant to assert dominance.
The goal of a question is to understand something while a statement (or even stating a problem while asking a question) places more emphasis on their interests.
The mindset of asserting your interests (your team's interest) is needed for management, sure she could have asked a question but your role as the presenter is to shit like this.

>>55092118
Frog posting sperg immovable object engineer

>>55092118
Did she it like that ditz in highschool
>I don't get it
Marketing and HR are both social jobs, just say you are socially awkward and you be glad to answer any questions one on one in person

>>55092118
>>55092218
>you don't need to understand, dide just trust me and fork over that budget money
The office place naturally filters people like you

>no
>problem
Good thread. Imagine OP getting mugged. The interaction between him and the criminal would be like a comedy skit

>>55092847
YWNBAW

>>55092118
She basically asked for clarification but did it in a cunty way. IMO regardless, you should have just explained the point like she was obviously looking for. Then HR wouldn't need to get involved. Once HR is involved, they will invariably model your scenario using social justice concepts.

>>55098136
kek. i love this reference. its just so unbelievable these people exist.

>>55093030
Management positions suck cock. Especially for the autistic engineer. There's no better way to start hating your job in STEM than to take a management position. You literally stop having fun and doing the work you actually enjoy.

Honestly, being the autistic STEMy is better. I literally do not care what the other managers think. I have no interest working for or with them. They're basically just bugs.

>>55092404
This.
>>55092411
>>55093352
READ THIS YOU STUPID ESL FAGGOTS! Interrogative sentences are sentences that ask a question, typically to request information. When you want to ask a question you need to phrase your words as a proper sentence that ask a question. Interrogative sentences often have auxiliary verbs. Many interrogative sentences begin with who, what, when, where, how or why. Examples:

>Why are you retarded?
>What is confusing you?
>Is this hard to understand?

In written form, they are identified by the sentence ending in a question mark instead of a period or exclamation point.

>>55092469
>>55092501
Am I supposed to be able to read her mind?
>I do not understand.
WHAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND!?!?!?!?!?

>>55094078
i like this. i was going to recommend giving some unmotivated bourbakian wikipedia definitions in response.

>>55100109
>WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND??!!
Great job, anon. This is actually the normal, non autistic response to her statement. That is exactly what a neurotypical or well adjusted neurodiverse person would ask - or they would skip that step and simply explain.

>>55100109
Ask what she doesn't understand. Use context to deduce what she might be referring to. Offer literally any kind of explanation.

>>55092118
I read this in Patrick Bateman's voice

>>55092246
Seriously we're you raised in the wild by feral autists? Have you really had so little interaction with humans before in any kind of team environment? Some questions for you with the answers you should reach on your own.
What is the point of a presentation on a subject at any company?
>To condense the important aspects of that subject into understanding for an audience that may not have expertise on that subject.
What is the implication of telling a presenter that a portion of it isn't being understood?
>Its an implied request to explain that portion in further detail or with different examples until understanding is teached.
What is the minimum courtesy response you could have given the member who said they didn't understand?
>Even if you are pressed for time and need to finish the presentation entirely before attempting to help fulfill the entire purpose of you presenting across teams in the first place?
>"No problem, I have some allotted at the end for questions, we can circle back on that then."

FFS anon get your head out of your ass. Arguing she didn't ask a question just makes you look further out of touch and petty. And no it wasn't more efficient to say, "No problem" and continue on. Your purpose is to give them understanding. You basically failed because you couldn't dumb it down enough for Marketing Marge. Then you doubled down on the failure by dismissing an obvious request for further explanation. Then you went for the combo by making a ridiculous argument to HR.

This book was written for you.

>>55092118
Start your own business.

American ‘Human Resources’ teams seem like a walking contradiction. I hear their job is to prevent hostile work environments but it seems to me that they do the opposite - making everyone who isn’t an extroverted psychopath walk on egg shells

>>55101599
>Have you really had so little interaction with humans before in any kind of team environment?
Are psychopathic feminists even human?

>>55092118
>grad engineer
>HR and Marketing colluding against you

Sorry to break it to you OP but you might be ugly. Yeah you’re probably a good engineer even had a high GPA no doubt but if you’re ugly (which you are) women will generally behave more harshly towards you because you can’t be trusted.

>>55095196
*management position in corporate . Not C level but high up in engineering. I am much older than you trust me. Original post stands. OP you need to job hop if you want to ride the ladder. Shot yourself in the foot on this one.

Tsk, tsk, anon. You're supposed to learn managerial jargon. When someone interrupts, you say:
>I will send you an e-mail detailing it after the meeting
or
>let's touch base after my presentation
and you obviously don't do it.

>>55092305
Why is she attending techncial presentation in the first place? Second, you could've handled it in different way. When she asked the question you could say: "We can go in details after the presentation offline, but just to summarize: "<10 seconds explanation". Since you larped already by answering "No problem", when the QA time was, you could've addressed her first: "You had a question at the slide X, could you rephrase the question?".

You will learn, don't be autist.

>>55092118
holy shit OP i know what company this is. my boss was in that meeting and was talking about you in the cubicles lmao you might not wanna bother coming in on monday. check ur email.

>>55092221
this is the state of vanity
this is what happened in babylon
people jerk themselves off to a criminal extent
people whip around the planet in gay shit cars designed by some satanist
to feel important or liked by other retards
self love is masturbation
faggots masturbate outside and claim you have to appreciate it
the point the satanists have in sponsoring them is that they further research of self-procreation/defying laws of creation and handing the keys to man and his hubris. it is allowing satan to thrive in that poor shit values are allowed to progress.
if people have their feelings hurt and try to goad other retards into harassing the person they are worse than the person uttering their opinion
people will make this planet hell in their ass smoke pride
the values wanted by people that think they know best are wrong and retarded
nothing will increase in the end. life dies. a child grows into an elderly person and then dies
they get worse until they die. the ideology of the modern day is allowing people with worse notion to go on living until the planet dies

>>55104457
Kek

>>55104627
"oooooh he's going to get in trouble"
this planet is a testing ground to prove our souls
evil exists to prove good
the difference between good and evil is time
awareness over time is a human soul

>>55092118
OP I feel for you. I can't stand non engineers. "I don't understand" is the social equivalent of "how dare you use math around me." You should have asked for a follow up, but honestly she probably wouldn't have even had a real point of confusion. She probably wasn't listening much at all but you broke everyone's collective delusions that they are sufficiently knowledgeable. Of course they're going to overanalyze social cues because there is nothing else going on their heads. Least of all work or how the natural world functions. God I hate non tech people. They all lack object permanence and have unjustified delusions of grandeur. They'll never improve because their mistakes are what they call their humanity. I will take over the entire world.

>>55092221
What a vile cretin

Coming to this thread late so someone might have already said it, but the autists guide to presenting I follow is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask “Did that answer your question?” And if they say no you try it in another way. You also have to stop frequently and ask “does anyone have any questions on this” to make sure you’re getting everything across clear

If anyone has any tips for me, I feel like I have a very bad habit of droning on about a single topic for 5-10 minutes solo and getting into all the minute details until everyone’s bored to death, but I’m not sure of a better way to get the critical information across and in my mind if I’m presenting on it most of the information is critical.

>>55092847
Thank you for shamelessly displaying why I hate woman and especially woman in the workforce.

>>55092246
Anon, if some says they dont understand the natual response is, “what do you not understand” rather then just saying “okay” then contining with the presentation. Youre either an autist or this is a bait thread.

>>55092118
You are simply smarter