/biz/ - Business & Finance

Imagine if mortgage backed securities suddenly started to dump in value.
Wouldn't that be a sight?

YOU PUSH IT

>>54954415
Damn. Expensive.
>>54954417
nah but my lawn got some dark spots with no grass because filled in holes.
>>54954440
My grass is actually dumb fucking thick with good quality grass. It just needs more watering I think and for the holes I filled to get some seed or to get colonized.

FIRST
for
saying
first for something

>>54954549
the grass here has a big patch out front of new green growth with straw all over it where they had to dig up a natgas leak i found in jan

>>54954549
Definitely expensive, but it looks nice. And you can tell the difference between good and shit grass seed once it starts to grow. Especially if you use cheap seeds only in one patch of the lawn, that patch will look different and look shitty compared to the rest of the lawn. This will be my 3rd summer of homeownership, I've laid down 1 to 2 $90 bags of seed each year. But after this year I think I can finally chill on the overseeding for a while.

>>54954583
Thats part of it, I had a new natural gas line get run to my house preparing to switch my boiler/heater over to natural gas since I have radiator heat and its currently OIL. But I need to finish closing ont his house so I get the money out (re-finance buying it from family) to pay for the 12k bosch unit.

>>54954549
why even plant grass. It's a useless cover material unless you're planning on farming cows.
If you're above New York, plant the entire garden full of potatoes and onions. Potatoes have the magical ability to literally keep coming back unless you're Irish.
If you're further South just plant tomatoes and peppers. Literally free food. Just set up a simple frame for the tomatoes and let them do their thing. I'm currently the proud owner of 20 tomato plants whom almost died twice now as I forgot to water them. Stupid plants needing water and shiet.

>>54954527
lets see if you still cringe post after market drops hard next week

>>54954553
>Worst case I'll lose everything and then I'm only just as bad as all the PEPE baggies
Worst case I'll lose everything and then I'm only just as bad as all the SVB big shot bankers

>>54954608
I have a pretty gigantic front lawn that has some holes in the ground that make it difficult to lawnmower (the dip of the hole causes blade to get stuck in ground) so I filled it in and now I want grass to colonize it.
>>54954595
The lawn has some of the thickest lushest grass I have ever felt. Soft as a bed to lay on.

>he didn't sell Friday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_JBjLfXBo

>>54954608
>peppers
I tried to grow peppers indoors and they just kept growing leaves and shedding the bulbs that were forming. Idk if it needed more light, less light, I think I had it on for 16 to 18 hours a day

>>54954521
Prices are stable, but there is a lack of new issues for MBS

>>54954604
i've seen you mention the boiler, i like radiator heat. I use an electric oil filled radiator here but it's not my home as I do not have a home. the radiator heat is efficient and steady, just slow. you hardly ever see the old wall mounted oil radiators anymore but they were all over the place here in the 70s along with natgas furnaces. I grew up with a natgas floor furnace.

>>54954643
If I buy a "cheap" winter home in FL will that help the MBS market?

>>54954640
Probably needed more light.
Did you use a proper grow light or just some regular bulbs?

>>54954506
OP, that pic is funny.

What if the US defaults and nothing happens, yields get slurped, and SPY just keeps crabbing?

>>54954631
>I have a pretty gigantic front lawn that has some holes in the ground that make it difficult to lawnmower (the dip of the hole causes blade to get stuck in ground) so I filled it in and now I want grass to colonize it.
Just wait a year. Grass grows everywhere.
But I'm telling you friend, plant actual food. It's easy and cheap. Hell if you're actually lazy plant chives. That stuff grows everywhere, looks like grass, and you can just eat it.
Plant onions and potatoes and destroy the grocery jew.
>>54954640
Same but I refuse to use grow lights. Summer is good enough for my tomatoes it should be good enough for peppers. Or else they'll remain cucks and don't get to grow into a real plant. I'll just replace them with more tomatoes which cost me like a $2/lb
Also chives which are amazing taste makers.

>>54954663
It was a proper grow light, but it was a plant I bought from the grocery store oddly enough, and it just didn't seem to rebound after I transplanted it. I probably overwatered it too. I was a new grower of things

look at this pump into money market fund this year.
draining money from the stock market as we speak and not going to stop anytime soon :^)
rug pull is coming

>>54954680
yes, every weekend edition!

>>54954715
Just when I took out my savings and put it into schwab too. Fuck. It was either get a whopping 10 cents a month from my previous bank or something slightly better. Everything I touch burns.

I have not spoken to a woman since August of last year.

>>54954700
I ran into trouble when I was learning to grow hydroponically so I know that feel.
Do you still grow them?

>>54954739
SWVXX. I sold mine Friday to buy SCHW shares at $49. Can now sell a 5 lot of covered calls on it. Klaus and the gang are a quality operation if you ask me.

>>54954715
That was me anon. Had to park my 500 billion dollars somewhere. Now it is too late for SMG'ers heh nothing personnel.

>>54954763
I'm thinking of trying peppers or tomatoes again this summer

>>54954739
>schwab
anon why you go into the one which is a current shit show? at least if you believe in the current market price action for SCHW
vanguard is the safest place to be

>>54954745
Must be nice.

>>54954680
haha le funny

>>54954805
this, i have to talk to them daily and it is always extremely dangerous

>>54954691
>What if the US defaults and nothing happens
Automated algorithms will make sure the market will have a shitfit at a minimum.

>>54954657
The radiators are pretty nice. They don't get that hot and its down at the floor. The house sits on a concrete pad so any work to be done under the house is super easy. The jews want you using electric heaters which are ineffecient.
>>54954694
Yeah yeah, that will come next year. I want to set up a perimeter garden up next to the fence in the back.

>>54954798
>current market price action for SCHW
I was looking at those charts fri and the action was looking pretty zesty. I'm riding with my broker. If they fail, their MM fund will also fail (maybe to a lesser degree), and I want to try out a legit covered call strat on this ticker. Could be due for a decent rebound if the 50 and 200 daily SMAs go and get retested. I'm targeting anything above $51 as my exit price

>>54954691
>crabbing
default is unironically bullish/10, I cannot think of anything more bullish except perhaps a nuclear holocaust.

>>54954900
why does it need to be nuclear?

>After the announcement of Twitter's new CEO, who is also the WEF executive chair, she launched an IMMEDIATE censorship campaign of unnamed "content", which will be hidden from view on the platform in certain countries, beginning with Turkey which has an election in two days.
TSLA is going back to 400.

>>54954611
>literally bounced off the support
For it to drop JPOW needs to come out and say he's about to tank the market with 1 BPS hikes again.

This has got to be the boomerest boomer general in the entirety of the chan-verse. Boomers sitting around on a Saturday talking about their grass and tomato's probably sipping on white monsters. What am I doing here? What have I become?

>>54954912
kills more goyim

>>54954955
>What have I become?
I see you like hanging out with comfy frens

>>54954955
i grew somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 tomatoes last year and do not even know what a "white monster" is other than the one in my underwear

>>54954955
anon, you aren't over 30 with a kid, a fat wife, and a yard? what are you doing?

>>54954982
anon, you aren't over 40 with a kid fresh out of collage, a fat ex wife, and left homeless? what are you doing?

>>54954955
I lost 52k on soxl last year
let me enjoy my boomerism.

>>54954941
dxy is rising, volatility rising, FAGMAN market leader overbought, indicator divergence like rsi making lower higher
doesn't look good for bulls on all levels, neither in economic data nor technicals
where is the magic pump coming from? literally no bull catalyst to push markets

>>54955100
>where is the magic pump coming from?
PPT bobo, same as always, it's about to be white boy summer. Not too late to hop on the correct side

>Dr. Crab... my dear Dr. Bobo... welcome... to the New York Stock Exchange
Just marathoned one of the stocks of all time. Now that the dust has settled, what did I think of it, and who was in the wrong here?

>>54955119
>Not too late to hop on the correct side
not going to buy anything.
my bet is that the october rally until now is over and the top for this year is in.
every little pump will make lower highs from here on but it takes a while until we flush down big because mumu delusion takes some time to break mentally.

>>54955190
>my bet is that the october rally until now is over and the top for this year is in.
>every little pump will make lower highs from here on
Reasonable bobo analysis
>Le heckin big one
Average folks will be displaced. Not happening.

>futures

>>54955215
if you believe in the boom bust cycle (you should) then its going to be a long way down from here on

>>54955238
>if you believe in the boom bust cycle (you should)
In which world? Clown world? No thanks. That chart probably assumes there will be a debt ceiling...

>>54954982
I wish I had a fat wife, at best she’s slightly chubby now

To the anon in the last thread trying to trade VIX futures on Interactive Brokers, no just no. You get raped with fees and weird arbitrary changes in margin requirements. IBKR is the last place you want to trade futures. Find a discount broker that specializes in that shit like Amp Clearing. At worst use TDAmeritrade which is much better than IBKR for your purposes

>>54954745
okay all women

>>54955100
>dxy is rising, volatility rising, FAGMAN market leader overbought, indicator divergence like rsi making lower higher
>doesn't look good for bulls on all levels, neither in economic data nor technicals
>where is the magic pump coming from? literally no bull catalyst to push markets

>>54955238
>the bust cycle
We already busted. The venezuelan market has proven that inflation will push markets up even when conditions are objectively bad. Rates are never going to be high enough to flush cheap money totally out of the system, so it will just crab for 2 years between 3700 and 4200.

>>54955307
>Find a discount broker
So futures are just fake and gay then? Why wouldn't the reputable brokers offer more competitive rates than these fly by night brokers that I wouldn't want to give $10 to let alone $10k or $100k to

>>54955238
Why is it taking so fucking long? Just get it over with so I can actually start making money at the bottom.

>futures

Whatever happened to the 3M lawsuit?

>>54955283
the shit&piss is currently sitting at 24 p/e, in the best case the market crabs in this range for the rest of this year and if something from the bull thesis (muh soft landing) breaks because unemployment shoots up, some bank fails, debt talks or any other crisis (even outside US) the market is going down hard.
if you just think objectively the better risk/reward trade is being a bobo and we're in a countertrend rally like in many bear markets. if you buy at current levels you bet that we are in a new bull market. that's a shit bet in my opinion.

>>54955331
The same reason big banks still only offer 0.15% interest on savings accounts even though fed funds is 5.25. Because they can and their cattle won't pull their money out. I've been using Amp Clearing for many years and it's been perfect. No weird changes in margin requirements, lowest trading fees in the industry, customer support 24/7, no downtime, no problems putting money in or pulling it back out. But suit yourself

>>54955361
>because unemployment shoots up, some bank fails, debt talks or any other crisis (even outside US) the market is going down hard
That all sounds bullish to me anon idk why you won't embrace the honk world

>>54955361
Forward P/E is 18ish
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stockmktperatio.pdf

>>54955365
I'll check it out. I feel like trading fututes is a bit too degenerate for me. Goy hours of 930 to 4 is good enough for me

>>54955331
It is usually a name branding thing, like how generic drugs are a million times cheaper than name brand ones. Same thing applies to companies; smaller companies are usually cheaper and give better service, but going to the big, well known one is easier. I looked into that AMP company and they're a fully registered FCM, so they're very legit.

>>54955365
Which is kind of suprising. Many places have TONS of cash they don't immediately need to tap. Millions of dollars. Collecting nothing aside from maybe the bank offering a discount on their loans to them for banking with them. Why not bank with fidelity or another major broker where they can just channel money into money markets that are not needed to clear daily operations? Put in in near-term T-bills and just collect that premium.

>>54955434
the average pe in a recession is like 15 and that's a soft landing. in a hard landing your guess is as good as mine.
still ways to go therefore I'm just not buying.. sorry I know, I know,...

>>54955328
>We already busted.
I haven't seen any fear or capitulation last year

>>54955443
It can be degenerate if you want it to be but there are some significant advantages. You get taxed less since all trades give you a 60/40 long/term capital gains no matter how long you're in and out, you get access to interest rate derivatives directly rather than needing to buy short treasury ETFs, you can get out of a trade overnight if some crazy shit happens on the other side of the world, there are no dark pools or payment for order flow, your trades actually go straight to the exchange, you can trade VIX contracts with much more granularity since you're buying the actual contract and not a constant maturity pseudo contract ETF that rebalances daily fucking you with volatility decay. And you don't have to load up on leverage if you don't want to. You don't have to use leverage at all

>>54955477
ANY kind of investing is more of a liability than cash sitting around. While the risk is very small that money market or short term tbills will default, if they did and you lost a bunch of your client's money you'd (theoretically) be super fucked legally. Most normalfags don't know about tbills or bonds because they don't teach that crap in school. They just accept that .15% is the best thing out there and go about their day.

just watch DXY, simple as

>>54955521
I would trust short term tbills long before I would trust any bank no matter how "too big to fail" it is. The US government is as far above the biggest banks in that regard as the biggest banks are above some kid's corner lemonade stand

>>54955237
>Double baconator
>Large fries
>Large coke
>Extra side of 10 piece spicy nugget w/ ranch dip

Fuuucck, I want to get that later today. Then eat it all while reading up more stocks and financial shit this weekend.

Anyone else got that bad gut feeling that the US government wants the USA to default on its debt this time instead of kicking the can like usual?

I dunno, these bank runs, pic related and other weird economic fuckery going on looks sus...

>>54955521
Well the current banking crisis is that its not normies pulling their $500 emergency fund (if they have that) but its big companies that are moving their cash to money market accounts now that they are providing yields worth risking a default on.

>>54955509
Because there's not going to be capitulation retard how do you not understand this. We are in the 1970s. Stagnation and inflation. The market will go sideways because it can't dump because there's too much free money in the system, it can't pump because economic conditions are tepid.

>>54955520
>there are no dark pools or payment for order flow
Interesting, along with the section 1256 contracts tax treatment. I dont personally see myself needing interest rate derivatives at my level of wealth, but good to know too. I may start getting my feet wet in the next few months. I read an old options book that talks about options on the futures contracts. Are those listed options tradable in a futures account? In my regular brokerage I can access VIX calls and puts if I wanted to. But that's spot VIX I believe, not future VIX. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>54955603
>providing yields worth risking a default on.
So should we stop using the term "risk free" when talking about t bills on bonds now?

>>54955479
At 15 P/E that would put the SPX* at around 3300 (EPS $218.86)
Hope your right would be a big drop


https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/additional-material/sp-500-eps-est.xlsx

>>54955609
>The market will go sideways because it can't dump because there's too much free money in the system
I don't think so. you have a choice between 5% """risk free""" money market/fixed income and coom all day or bet on an average return or even loss with big risk in the stock market. there is no new money coming in right now its flowing out

>>54955626
Options on VIX futures are handled differently than buying and selling the futures contracts directly and sadly are subject to the PDT rule. That said, VIX options for a given expiration date are de facto linked to that month's futures contract so that's where you need to look for the underlying price when calculating fair value for the option. There are no options or futures contracts that are based on spot VIX unless you venture into the scam bucket shop CFD market

>>54955641
They're supposed to be, but when interest rates 20x in one year suddenly they aren't so free anymore.

GameStop's going to have a profitable year thanks to Zelda and we're gonna squeeze this year for sure

Us gov is teetering on the edge of crashing, not just the stock market.

Good riddance.

>>54955666
>3300
tfw I'm even more bullish than (((Mike Wilson)))

>>54955641
Debt ceiling "default" theatre doesn't mean you are risk of losing your principal. There is no risk of that. Only that the interest will be delayed while we wait for any government shutdown to be over with. There is nothing on this earth short of nuclear annihalation that would cause you to lose your tbill investment

>>54955599
It would be nice if we defaulted honestly, could do with a touch of chaos.

>>54955722
>There is nothing on this earth short of nuclear annihalation that would cause you to lose your tbill investment
That would be nice too honestly

>>54955673
The market will go sideways. If you are holding puts expecting it to go down from 4200 to 200 or whatever your 24 P/E assumes, then you are retarded. Stop trying to argue your retardation is actually genius, it's never going to happen because this has happened before and we saw the market just goes sideways under similar conditions.

How do I take delivery on physical vix

>>54955753
depends on what your "crab range" is. if its 3500-4200 over the years then okay might be.
but thinking we'll crab along 4200+ for a long period of time is delusional

>>54955761
Go to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange in person like a man and just TAKE IT. DEMAND WHAT IS YOURS

>>54954527
What does that even mean?

You bought Calls Right Anon?

>>54955777
*be careful though physical VIX shares are slightly radioactive some show up wearing a hazard suit

>>54955677
>That said, VIX options for a given expiration date are de facto linked to that month's futures contract so that's where you need to look for the underlying price when calculating fair value for the option.
Great info thanks for sharing. Makes a lot more sense. I longed a bunch of slightly otm 30 dte VIX calls when pelosi flew to Taiwan and was too schizo to take my 30% profit when it was there. I have been hesitant to make any VIX plays since even though I'm a different trader now than I was back then

>>54955804
Based. I trade VIX futures almost exclusively short and long. It's just an easier ride for me than buying S&P futures contracts. I don't know why but I've always been more profitable just making volatility plays. Note too there is a European VIX called VSTOXX that can be traded with futures if that's more somebody's bag

There isn't a single organic poster left on /k/ at this point. How do I profit from this?

>>54955823
I have played around a lot with SPY options of all kinds. Naked and long. Naked SPY doesn't work very well. It's funny to watch what happens as soon as you collect $20 on a naked SPY call or put. Somehow the price moves right to that strike and just stays there until you need to take your L. I have had a lot more success scalping 0 dte spy's long for lunch money 10 to 50 times a day sometimes. But that requires a lot of energy autistically staring and clicking buttons very fast with no room for execution error. It's fun sometimes but I don't want to fully rely on that every day.

>>54955666
That's assuming that earnings don't drop any more, which they will. By a lot.

I did not sell my longs

I did not cover my shorts

I did not have have unprotected intercourse with a human female

I do not own any crypto

Is the debt ceiling even in McCarthy's hands at this point?
Isn't it going to come down to Gaetz, Booba and the others who have like 15 votes each?
Someone pls explain.

>>54955100
MaRkEtS cAn'T cRaSh DuRiNg OpEx

>>54955237
>>54955575
WEN will be a good investment if in a few months they iron this out enough to start cutting their 30% labor costs: https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/9/23716825/wendys-ai-drive-thru-google-llm

A threadly piece of advice, never EVER trust a fart. I keep trying to be brave and tempt fate, and I shit my pants...again.

>>54955868
Yeah that's pretty much been my experience. I know there are people who claim to be able to scalp the e-mini 500 all day long but apparently I just don't have the required level of autism. Sitting trying to click the mouse and watch the screen I start feeling manic after a while. That said I do have success scalping fang stock shares. META, AMZN, AAPL, GOOG, TSLA, and NVDA have penny wide spreads and actually move logically compared to e.g. the Nasdaq which just doesn't make a lick of sense to me when I watch it. I make decent money on the stocks. I try to scalp whatever has huge volume and a big pump on the day too. Friday I had good luck with GSIT. That pump was magnificent and the scalping was like buying the bottom of equities in March 2020 easy tier

>>54955893
McCarthy is just the one who negotiates on side of republicans. They are ready to move ahead with raising the debt ceiling but Biden is basically refusing to cooperate at this point. Stubborn old man.

Crash starts Thursday morning, by the way.

>>54955972
What the fuck is that retard even trying to say? Total signing? God I fucking hate that stupid boomer

>>54955972
He's actually a couple towns away from me should I go pay him a visit?

>>54955979
Total Wine, some kind of liquor store. I dunno, Cramer's trying to turn his degenerate alcoholism into entrepreneurship I guess: https://twitter.com/jimcramer/status/1657449377726709760

>>54955986
yes

>>54955959
Biden is a cunt but is the impasse because Republicans actually grew a spine and decided endless debt was not cool?

>>54955986
Tell him he sucks

>>54955972
I think they're doing fraudulent accounting. Last time they covered up their shit performance by magically having all their online subsidiaries triple profits overnight

>>54955959
>stubborn old man
Bidet is not in control or even cognizant of this world. His handlers are making all the decisions

>>54955992
Total wine is a fantastic store. Good selection of beer at cheaper prices since its warehouse style.

>>54955986
Ask him what he thinks of investing in Mexico/EWW. That's relevant to his Mezcal shilling so you might get some genuine, less biased insight.

>May is Mental Health Awareness Month
>my birthday is in May
>markets are crabbing
>mental health is collapsing
>seeing hallucinations
>talking to birds and bunnies
>i don't know

I love alcohol more than gains
I love alcohol more than my health
but I intend to live a long life of alcoholism.

>>54956025
Mezcal was the pre-covid hipster alcohol now that bourbon lost its charm.

>>54956039
Aren't there drugs you can take to at least mitigate liver damage? NAD or milk thistle or something?

>>54956051
I drink about a liter of beer a day or 2-3 glasses of wine. I am pacing myself for a life of alcoholicism.

>>54956039
Swap alcohol for pounding off to anime and that's me

>>54956051
Magnesium. You have got to Mag it up. It basically makes you immune from hangovers as well. Cross the carbon-barrier and make yourself a Magnesium Based Lifeform

>>54956059
So that's about three cans of beer and 3 glasses of wine. Not terrible, but it's going to get worse. Alcoholism is the worst of all addictions in my opinion. Tye withdrawals can kill you at a certain stage of alcoholism, and it's largely socially acceptable because it's legal and ingrained in our culture. Quit while you're still ahead or you'll regret it later. Of course as a struggling alcoholic myself, I know what I'm telling you is going in one ear and out the other, so it's whatever.

>>54956039
alcohol is the devil and is a gains goblin

/biz/raelis. How much should I be paying for a rack? Weights? Barbell?

>>54956104
If you look in the right places some people will just give you a rack and weights if you just get it out of their basement. That's how my friend got his.

>>54956104
it takes a decade for a home gym to pay off
get a membership

>>54956104
dont skimp on the bar. pay as cheap as you can for weights ~1dollar/lb

>>54956104
Buy a 300 pound Olympic weight set and a squat rack/bench off Craigslist or Faceberg Marketplace for $200 or less. If you go to Academy or Dicks Sporting Goods you'll pay triple and yeah fuck that

>>54956138
So $300-400 should be my range for a set?

>>54956104
Weights are a cope. All you need is a $100 pull-up bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, and lunges.

>>54956130
Membership is $23/month +21$ in gas per week. Home gym pays off quick other than losses in socializing which I dont do anyways.

I have a home gym but never use it since it gets way too hot in my garage in the summertime and I like going to the gym to get out. I pay $350/month for family membership.

>>54956000
This has nothing to do with adding debt it has to do with paying intrest on debt the US already owes. If Republicans want to stop endless debt they would block the isreal spending bill.

>>54956130
Kek

>>54956143
Yep. That or less. You can get a new bar and 300 pounds of weights at Academy for 400 but then you need rack and a bench. I would suggest a squat rack to bench in since it's much safer as you can set the safety and not kill yourself. Gotta look out for /bizfit/ bros. Go used though and save lots. Plenty of dudes who thought weights were a good idea but never touched them and tired of their wives bitching to "get rid of that shit" will give you a good deal

>>54956160
>21 dollars a week
lmao nigger do you live in alaska
also my membership is cheaper, even if we assume 50 dollars a month an el cheapo power cage will take 8 months to pay off
and thats not even the main problem, the main problem is that most niggers will just quit lifting by those 8 months so they just dumped a fuckload of money down the toilet for no reason
consider getting a home gym after you've lifted for a year or 2

>>54956174
Yeah but either way is there a chance there's a debt default because they refuse to raise the ceiling?

>>54956174
It has everything to do with debt since the negotiations are about cutting spending in future bills. Don't believe the shit you read in the media about it's just about paying interest. That is spin

>>54956177
>>54956138
>>54956125
this is the redpill though, if you have a place to put the weights (own your own home)

>>54956130
I could never do a home gym because if I wreck myself I'd likely die since no one visits me.

>>54955479
>>54955666
what's the pretax unlevered curve normalized weighted average earnings of the s&p?
how much cash&equivalents in the weighted average book of the s&p are ready to be levered into the business? what will be the weighted average adjusted annualized earnings if this cash does get levered?
don't be so eager to bet on an index you know nothing about
stop following the herd

>>54956204
I've lifted for a year and I've never needed a spotter or the safeties
just don't be retarded

You don't even need weights.

>>54956181
>Drive ranger, its 18/m
>Gym is about 20-30 minute away so thats a gallon there
>gallon back
no I am not going to planet fitness

>>54956218
sucks to suck loser
>t. 28mpg crossover with 12 minute trip to gym

>>54956212
This is true but a lot of people need the external motivation from seeing number go up every week to stick to a routine. Pounds on a bar is an easy benchmark of progress. Doing more pull-ups and dips is too but for some people just doing more reps with body weight is t enough to maintain interest. If it is though, yes you can end up looking great just doing body weight stuff

>>54956212
yes you do
barbell compounds are the fastest way to get bigger and stronger and any other opinion is omega cope from vegan calisthenics trannies

what if a recession just like, doesn't happen?

>>54956204
That's why you never put clips to hold the weights in place if you are lifting alone. In the case you can't get the weight off you, you can lean it to the side toet the weights slip off.

>>54956204
doing the roll of shame isn't that bad. It is easier on you if you use a wide grip bar to distribute the pressure a little. You shouldn't be dropping a barbell on your neck.

>>54956241
But it HAS to, /biz/ told me it would

>>54956235
Yeah but we're talking about the average bizraeli smg boomer (think Rocker hamchad) so just going from knees on floor push-ups to push-ups to dips will be amazing progress and provide plenty of progressive resistance the first few months. Same for inverted body weight rows to assisted pull-ups to actual chin over bar pull-ups. It might take a year for the average poster here to get that far

>>54956235
You can easily get zyzz-tier with body weight. It's easier too since you don't have to worry about muscle imbalances quite as much.

>>54956262
zyzz did roids AND barbell compounds you fucking mongoloid

>>54956211
Some people pass out and die under a bar from the valsalva effect. Anybody lifting alone should be in a rack

>>54956242
they have to be on there unless you're a fucking weak pussy
if you aren't lifting weights where the bar is bending by the weights you're lifting you're not really lifting at all
might as well go jogging, wimp

>>54956241
>>54956248
1PBTID samefag

>>54956193
Republicans didn't give a shit about spending until just right now and will immediately stop giving a shit once this political theater is over. Your a absolutely retard if you thing there is any sincerity in US politics, it's all a show for the brain dead voting masses. American politics has boiled down to pandering to retards. Using high brow intellectual agreements is a liability, the voters are just too dumb for that.

>>54956241
Just trade what you see and stop trying to predict anything. There will be tons of trading opportunities whether we get a recession or a golden bull run. Just look at the SPY chart from 2009 to 2020 during infinite QE and ZIRP for proof of that

>>54956271
I just opened this thread, fuck off retard and learn to read the poster count.

>>54956271
zero meds taken by this id

>>54956265
Doesn't even matter. You can copy those gains without weights.

>>54956282
post body

>>54956207
does it even matter? the point is valuations are too high. earnings cuts will come and s&p will fall

>>54956287
this is me btw

>>54956300
concession accepted

>>54956275
I didn't say it was sincere I said the negotiations are about future spending bills because those are the words literally coming out of their mouths. Believing the negotiations is circumscribed specifically to interest on current debt is literal media spin. Instead of getting your talking points from some third party with their own agenda, start paying attention with your own eyes and ears to what the players involved are saying and doing

>>54956301
cope

>>54956300
Am I gonna make it?

>>54956300
mirin

>>54956300
LOOKING AT LIFE THROUGH A LOADED GUN
TAKE YOUR BEST SHOT AIM IT AT THE SUN
LOOKING AT LIFE THROUGH A LOADED GUN
YOU KNOW YOU'LL FIND
YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF
YOU'LL FIND YOURSELF ALONE

https://youtu.be/jK5dqCEf1ws

>>54956269
Don't call me a wimp you fucking nigger I could take your bussy without even breaking a sweat.

>>54956300
Is this achievable natty and without cocaine use?

>>54956300
>flexes
>heart explodes from years of steroid abuse.

>>54956295
it matters because if your earnings fall by 30% but you're also ready to lever 50% more cash or can deploy the same equivalent of cash at an earnings rate higher than 4% (see long term yield curve) you're essentially poised to profit, and that is where we go up
that's why the book matters
the unlevered pretax matters because it allows you to estimate the ability to pay off the interest expenses and further estimate levered and unlevered book relative to earnings power

>>54956336
kek ok newfag
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LDzRtcyfxYLM/

>>54956300
you look like you won't make it past 22 without a heart attack from juicing

>>54956389
Yeah I told you I've only been here for 2 weeks, I'm still learning.

Rape murder and terrorize all jews

Just as a heads up, Cathie Madoff bought 3 million shares of this chart

Oh, give my props to the shooter
Prices at a all time low in the future
Something like fourteen, they must be on HORSE PILLS (ivermectin)
OT and zero-three to re-up on force fields
At that cost, deal, he plotted the coordinates
Two thousand three winter time upper west side, more or less
This thing be buggin' like a celly frontin'
Who the hell is honey with the slug in her belly, stuntin'
You ain't have to tell V nuthin'
Trust him, it really ain't no time for discussion
He'd be back in '93, press of a button, and they busted in
His first impulse was to smack the dirt
All four wore plain clothes and lumberjack shirt
Recognize one face from school six degrees ago
He'd snuff him in his braces just to switch the station to BGO
He kept a punch line every lunch break, lunch time
And this is no time to pump fake, it's crunch time
The same split second, they let off the toast
THATS WHEN HE HIT THE SPEED DIAL AND SPED OFF, GHOST
I know those cats don't like V
And if they took my head off they'd get off most likely
And probably thought the time gizmo was my WALLET
And hit the hills, no, forty more times on some foul shit
Pick a crime, he was out in the nick of time
To get paid another day and live to kick a sicker rhyme
For iller, it's like Miller malt liquor time
Up town finery where it's probably not best to flaunt
Everyone's your best friend, V steps into the restaurant
"My friend," he said, "You must be psychic"
"What's the price of- "Fourteen! It’s good, you like it!"
Huh, be back tonight
The fourteen G pack was really packed tight
But back at the lab he found the Sleestak was right
Not only was it three cracks light, but too white
The test show lactose, anbesol, lecithin
Five types of aspirin and other kinds of medicines
Next time I'll bring my men who speak Mexican
And let the Techs spin, make 'em contact the next of kin

Wow this bear market sucks ass. I sure can't wait for the Fed to start loading the balance sheet again, interest rates to go back to zero (negative real rates), and the government to get back to actual serious deficit spending. Bring the good times back Bidet or we'll elect someone who can!

>>54956523
>He kept a punch line every lunch break, lunch time
>And this is no time to pump fake, it's crunch time
I like this

>>54956295
Remember when meta and amzn both took 15 to 20% haircuts on bad earnings and SPY magically rebalanced to remain green... Yea I do because I was holding probably $10k of poots that printed for about 30 seconds after the options market closed. By market open it was too late. The poop and pee had fully rebalanced to a less tech heavy allocation according to our overlords. What makes you think this would be any different this time around?

>>54956025
I asked him and his answer was "hey, cool it with the antisemitism" whatever that means

>>54956551
Viktor Vaughn tells a story about manipulating time and space in order to buy some cheap cocaine. [BEWARE: Spoiler in the next sentence.] Ultimately, Vaughn’s sci-fi-like efforts are foiled when he discovers that the cheap coke he purchased had been cut with weak over-the-counter white powders like lactose, aspirin, and lecithin, to name a few. The twist-ending reveals why the song is named “Lactose and Lecithin”. The song’s content and narrative conclusion are also a reflection of MF DOOM’s character Viktor Vaughn’s eagerness, greed, and inexperience as a young, aspiring villain.

>>54956570
14% of s&p are aapl + msft right now
its over after they break. simple as that

>>54956615
Until the day it actually happens and then poof suddenly it's not 14% any more

>>54956623
who cares? you trade it

Hear ye, hear ye! How dare ye
Go up against the king who do his thing tri-yearly?
They too carefree with their mouths around here
Off with his head, and display it at Town Square
On top a seven-feet spike, make sure it's on tight
In light of when the peasants throw stones with all their might
Skull get smashed for weeks
'Til vulture beaks eats the last meat off the cheeks
Maybe then they'll know the right words to speak
Out loud, at home, in the world, or in the streets
There's no escape, just in case
All the kings' mens and 'em decides to go apes
The most slick-talking of burly guys
Get caught early and boiled in oil like curly fries
Even those that's Mr. Furley's size that earned the fate
Can all get burned at the stake
Send word to his closest kins, that for his sins
We claim his throne, his providence, and its citizens
In the name of King Geedorah!

>>54956638
Well that's why I don't hold $10k of poots overnight anymore kek. I'm officially a 0dte nigger

Sick of the bot posts.

>>54956611
Can't think of a more exigent reason to manipulate the 4 dimensions than in pursuit of higher quality cocaine. Cheaper coke though? Indeed this is folly and Vaughn's downfall was ordained (cryptic reference to time travel). Viktor Vaughn is however legend no matter the unfortunate denial

>>54956400
>tfw older than Zyzz
bros...It hit me hard the other day when I realized I was older than 2pac now too.

>>54956647
What delta? I like 0dte for the leverage but I only buy 90+ delta cuz fuck being directionally right yet still taking the L

>>54956659
>Cheaper coke though?
The sleestak tried to warn him

I die from anxiety at work. Does it ever get better?

>>54956647
if aapl + msft break they pull the whole market down with them
the s&p will not stay green even if you think the s&p rebalances daily which is schizo shit because that's not true. they do it each quarter

>>54956681
Before 10am I like to be at least $1 to $2 ITM which puts me around the 60-70 delta range. That way it leaves me some room to load up if it goes against me initially and I want to call the markets bluff. A bit later in the day I'll play the 50 deltas. The ITM in the morning play is the result of being heemed at open too many times and instead of taking my L like a man I'll just end up throwing good dollars at a terrible 0% chance of success play out of straight revenge and anger. No more.

>>54956694
I'm just saying meta and amzn were heavy weightings until the day they took 20% haircuts and the talking heads on TV were talking about reallocating more industrials. Sure you are might me right, but maybe not. And being early is the same as being wrong even though you had the right idea.

>>54956664
Don't let anybody here fool you. The older you get, things just keep getting worse
>le heckin thirtyrino's are your prime years!!!!
Don't listen to these retards either. Your 20's are your prime and after that life's basically over.

>>54956775
I'm ascending in my 30s... Speak for yourself.

Been outside doing things and enjoying the weather on this fine day. Went to arby's for lunch and got the 2 for $7 beef n cheddar deal. Paid all my bills and didn't overspend at the Kroger this morning either. They actually had a shat pot of good looking banana's this time to.

>>54956690
Use it as fuel.

>>54956785
A handful of people are genetically gifted and don't suffer the the consequences of time decay, but that's rare.

>>54956789
Based divvy boomer doing responsible boomer things hoisting him's boomerself from'stdve him's own petards

>>54956775
loser view
i'm 50 and lived through all kinds of hard core nightmares.
i've slept over 1500 nights on the ground in my 40s.
yet i still find ways to count blessings rather than curses and always try to look for what opportunities i have within whatever given contexts i find myself in.
you are *always* able to be "in your prime", but the externals of what a "prime" consists of is dynamic and you must adjust with that dynamic in order to remain
IN
THA
PRIME
ZONE
always walk with the LORD GOD Almighty no matter what valleys of the shadow of death you find yourself passing through.

>naked short a REIT
>use the proceeds to buy a house
Is this a free housing hack?

Finland was the best so far

>>54956848
Not saying you can't find moments of joy as you age, but the most definitive and best years of your life will always be your 20's.

>>54954955
It's 2pm and I just woke up. Yesterday i cleaned my door mats so they are nice and spiffy for my shoes to rest on. Today i will drive down to the hazmat to drop off several jugs of used motor oil.

>>54956848
based

Guys it's over for the bears.... retail traders are the biggest short since neverland.

We are about to get the next biggest bull run of all time. all time highs while banks failure provide the QE to boost the bears to kingdom come.

A few months ago I started investing by putting money into the S&P 500.
I have heard I am supposed to diversify, so I am thinking of putting money into an ETF for another large economy.
I'm thinking EU, Japan or China. Probably not China.
What do you think?
Japan would be more straight forward because it's one country as opposed to like 27 (?) countries in the EU

>>54956956

You bought Puts didn't you Anon?

>>54956918
>cleaning my door mats
What an obscure and largely meaningless task. Your autism fascinates me.

>>54956962
Diversification is for idiots.

>>54956966
They were encrusted with a winter's worth of salt, dirt, dead grass and gravel. Very important spring cleaning routine.

>>54956912
>definitive
only by a certain very narrow set of parameters within a certain very narrow paradigm

>>54956962
Diversify outside stocks right now (cash in high yield accounts, t-bills, BIL, whatever)
International markets are historically a meme, if you have a real case for one of those countries go for it but not just for the sake of diversity.

>>54956988
I'm hoping once I'm able to produce dopamine again that I will actually start doing something, as anything besides sitting on the couch and unenthusiastically playing vidya all day. I can't even get motivated enough to get in the shower and drive to taco bell. For fucks sake I don't even feel like smoking weed.

i listened to older podcast and they were talking about evergrande in it.

always some 2 more weeks bullshit going on. where is the talk about it now ??

>>54956848
>natgas shift+enter schizo is a homeless based boomer
Going all-in BOIL on Monday.

>>54957072
i'm already holding a little but ready to average down should the opportunity arise

>>54957009
makes sense. to be honest, i dont know what t-bills or BIL are but im going to research it

>>54956962
Equities from all the major economies (ex China) more or less correlate. More so now than ever before considering how large companies have evolved to global conglomerates. If you want "diversification" you're better off looking for it in the strategies you use to trade in and out of equities. Allocate some money to trend following, some to swing trading, some to swinging VIX ETFs, maybe some energy and precious metals too. A tiny bit to crypto too since you never know. Also what the other anon said, BIL is paying a nice risk free dividend right now so consider that

>>54957020
Vigorous exercise once daily. You will not feel like doing it at first. That's the hardest part. Once you start things will improve. This is important to pair with a somewhat healthy diet. Lots of meat and so on is fine just not fast food. Eggs. I eat four eggs every day.

>BECKY portfolio still out performing the market
Why aren't you making money off stupid women with disposable income

>>54957020
I also have this problem. It sucks. I'm actually considering antidepressants. I hear good things about Abilify

>>54957039
Debt ceiling/default. However that'll be resolved with some nothingburger token spending cuts and taxes.

Of course then the panic will be over Yellen draining liquidity by refilling the TGA. However that'll be resolved by money sloshing over from the RRP into t-bills.

>>54957118
>just do the most unpleasant thing you can possibly think of
I'm gonna have to work up to that. Getting sober first is way more important than being a /fit/fag.
>>54957125
Don't. They'll scramble your brain and you'll never be able to get off them or create serotonin on your own ever again. The doctors scrambled my brains real good from benzos and SSRIs. Literally can't get off of SSRIs or I go crazy. Been taken them for 18 years. The doctor who prescribed me these should be in prison.

>>54957133
yeah always some bs doomer stuff

>>54956848
This is good.

>>54956912
Says the 20 year old (growing up in a dead world).

>>54957217
>dead world
always was
FUCK
BABYLON

>>54957241
A white 20-year old today has nothing. Not even rock n roll.

>>54956775
THE VIRGIN SCHIZO DOOMER WITH NO CONTROL OVER HIS LIFE WHO SHOULD PROBABLY JUST DIE
>>54956848
THE CHAD OPTIMIST TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS LIFE AND MAKING THE BEST OF EVERYTHING

we're not in a bubble and aapl is fairly valued

>>54957217
I'm 35, the world was dead when I was growing up. There was still glimmer of hope for the US. They were just beginning to put the tents up for the circus that is clown world back then.

>>54957276
those tents were going up well before that
but there was indeed a certain "sweet spot" there for a little while during the 70s/80s/90s in some crucial regards.
everything was well on its exponential way to clown world once Elvis unleashed the women and the jews made the techniques of putting them back into place illegal.

>>54957258
Name 1 company on in the russell that a normie would know. My point is that normies are the only demographic you can syphon money from reliably and apple is one of the best at it.

>>54956823
>Genetics
Whoever use canola oil ya soul'll boil
For a longer time than it take a diet cola to spoil
Huh, I get what you're sellin'
Swellin' from alien microfilaments, it's Morgellons
Even if you're gellin'
What's that in your melanin?
What the hell is they sprayin'? No tellin'
Barium strontium, aluminum
Well drink responsibly, get the truth from DOOM and 'em
Can't trust the tap water much less the kettle
Double entendre to the phrase test your mettle
The rest'll settle, just to get fed well
As the livin' dead infect the red cell

Don't drink the milk, it's spoiled
The blood and stuff in it make it stink, that's why it's boiled
Snake oil sales from doorbell doctors who slip Mickey's
And trick you to strip to get jipped quickly
...

>futures

>>54957549
>futures

>futures

>futures

Where is the stock market, as a whole, going? TELL ME! Respond to this post with your predictions. You have to give reasoning. You have to say WHY it's going to do X, not just that it *will* do X, otherwise it's worthless. If you don't have reasoning, fuck off. Where is the /ES and /NQ going in the next month, and why? AND WHY?

T E L L M E !

>>54957668
SCHW to $55

>>54957730
WHY

YOU HAVE TO SAY WHY OR IT'S USELESS

I SAID THAT FOR A REASON YOU FUCKING VIRGIN

It's time to man up and long VIX

>>54957770
Short term down because people are running out of savings, credit availability is going down which means lower earnings for companies. Medium term we bottom in the next 6 months due to pricing in earnings trough/recession, long term we bullish because inflation has peaked, is coming down, unemployment is low, and liquidity while contracting is still high.

>>54957668
Up. Cause the numbers say so.

>>54957730
>>54957770
>>54957811
I'm predicting Schwab goes back up to previous levels pretty swiftly, it's basically a 1.5x opportunity.

>>54957770
We are in a permanent crab with a trending downside. Arguably due to 0 DTE allowing market markers to make a fortune. The Fed's trading desk will no longer allow the market to crash. They won't even let insolvent banks crash. We will have no stock market gains maybe for the entire year, but the derivative market will be fine.

>>54957770
Sorry your og post was TLDR for me. Well check the daily 20, 50, and 200 SMAs, check the bollie bandz. There appears to be healthy trading volume on the stock. And I'm a customer who gives them an A plus rating for their customer service. If you are a white male you will get along with their employees. And they aren't really a "regional" bank. And I'm just taking a chance. We'll see what the fuck happens.
t. 500 shares at $49 cost basis

>they mocked my conservative portfolio
>SQQQ, LABD, BOIL and TSN

I can't believe the Jews tried to make meat and gas illegal. I will continue to inverse the tech tranny narrative. AI is extremely homosexual and I will not eat the bugs. Gym gains are the only gains the Jews can't steal from you.

>>54957822
nah, they are limited trade time negros
everyone is leaving all the others for
BASED HOOD
TWENNY FORE HR FIE DAY WK
CASINO TRADING
all other brokerages are going to close

>>54956918
>shoes to rest on
You leave your shoes outside? I take it you live in a nice white neighborhood. Any problems with spiders and scorpions?

>>54957834
>i will not eat bugs
*blocks your path*

>>54957668
VIX will continue to fall suckering more retailers into the market. When order flow shows the inflow slowing to a trickle and hedgers dropping most of their puts the hammer will drop. Timed to coincide with the debt ceiling so as to provide cover the markets will drop precipitously. Around the time it looks like we're bottoming out again, some bad "news" will be released to the CNBC and Marketwatch stooges, some celebrity hedge fund manager like Bill Ackman will come out with crocodile tears telling retail it really is over this time and to sell sell, Reddit sell at which point the market will capitulate completely then the powers that be will scoop up everyone's bags and pump it all back to all time high leaving retailers with nothing. When markets pump all the way up more news will be released about how this is the golden bull run that can't be stopped and to buy, buy Reddit buy and when everyone is fully invested at the top, the trap will be sprung again plunging the markets down. Rinse repeat ad infinitum ad nauseum until we are all destitute, own nothing, and are happy

What's with all the steam posting today?

>>54957020
Get one of those three wheeled bikes and pedal around town collecting aluminum cans

>>54957834
>planet gayness

>>54957093
These folks all look darker. It must be the cherry blossom shadows

>>54957881
Kek what? Why would I collect cans? Also I have nowhere to store something like that. I have a very weird apartment situation

>>54957885
It's literally the only gym in town except for a CrossFit gym that people pay $120/month to injury themselves at. Planet fitness is cheap as fuck and has 90% of what I would want in a better gym.

>Personal development
The debt maxed Venezuelan chick I am dating sent me a picture with her family in Orlando for mother's day... On a yacht.. guys I might have to get this one pregnant

>>54956883
What you have to do is buy MBS which contain your mortgage and then cancel the debt on it. You'd lose some thousands on the MBS yield, but the money shaved off your mortgage would more than compensate for it.

>>54957897
Gives you something to do while riding. You make a goal that you can’t stop until you have $5 in scrap aluminum.

>>54957906
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>54956287
I don't touch weights since my cousin slip and disk and I think I look pretty good

>>54957977
Do you even english fren?

>>54957986
Sorry slipped a disk is what I meant to say

Did anyone catch the wings of redemption vs boogie boxing match?

>>54958047
If it wasn't on BOTY then no.

>>54957549
>>54957617
>>54957657
>>54957559
fuck off you posters freaked me the fuck out thinking it was sunday already

>>54957895
no, it's the shadow of mt fuji

>>54957942
Lots of things l. Nothing serious though and you weren't very specific

>>54957977
Your cousin was retarded so now you just wanna look like a twink?

>>54958225
you've got 99 things wrong with you
but not being able to heem any tech tranny in the thread
ain't
one
of 'em
nigger
y'all got any more
of that
BOIL?

>>54955100
>volatility rising
What did he mean by this unironically? The market isn't volatile at all, the 'dumps' last week were barely anything.

>>54956282
no fucking way mate

Is it better to hedge with 0dte or 1dte options?

>NVIDIA
>AIDIVN
>AI DIViNe

>>54958450
0dte before lunch. 1 dte after

>>54958353
>What did he mean by this unironically
I think he means the vix1d can go up a lil bit. Just a lil something though

>>54954643
almost as dire as the physical VIX shortage

Question: will the frankenfoods kill us?
Or turn us into thangs off Thriller, or dang gorillas?
Breeds of a needless variety
In the name of greed we get a seedless society
Flounder genes in your tomatoes
Cod in your potatoes, playin' God, retarded'er than Play-Doh
And as the juice gets sweeter
No use in bein' cute if you's a useless eater
Make it hard to keep your mattress clean
That was mean, little froggies with sex changes from atrazine
And aspartame in gum, Splenda is plenty fun
Left many strung, agenda 21
Or have your third eye cry or your side blown
Well right on, forgot to sign the guide stone
Yours truly all caps DOOM
Sue him if you’re gloomy, or boo'em to your tomb

>>54955190
SPX is going to 4350pts (+/- 75pts) in the medium term.
What happens after that is up for speculation.

>>54958450
>He didn't get 1hte options approval

So when the market dumps this time we're all gonna buy the dip by going all in ZIVB right? The the new ETF that shorts mid-term VIX futures. It works by spreading itself over the 4th-7th VIX futures months with a weighted average constant maturity of 153 days. Much less risky than SVIX or SVXY and since mid-term VIX futures are in contango more often than the front months you will be more likely to make money at any given time. VIX futures are a way of buying and selling future uncertainty and the future is almost always more uncertain than the present. So if you're selling uncertainty high and buying uncertainty low then the math inexorably works in your favor. It's the perfect trade. Just wait for the VIX term structure to go into backwardation then go all in. When VIX goes back into steep contango, get out and wait for the next opportunity. You'll get a big trade every few weeks like clockwork. I hope you guys don't pass this one up

>>54956848
Based and Christ pilled

>>54958545
makes sense thanks senpai

>>54958654
how do i read picrel? it looks like spy on steroids.

>>54955479
I do not give a fuck if you sideline yourself, stay poor faggot

>>54958795
That's the equity curve of a short on the 2nd month VIX futures rolled every month and held since 2020. Even though equities got rekt in 2022, volatility shorts actually did really well and greatly outperformed SPY, QQQ, etc. I expect this outperformance in short volatility to continue. The markets are unlikely to resume the massive QE and ZIRP fueled bull run that went on from 2009 to 2020 since interest rates are likely to remain high and QT is happening. However, the major unanticipated shocks to the market are receding further in the rear view mirror as evidenced by the VIX currently below its long term average of 20 points. I believe this will continue for some time barring the occasional panic over nothing that spikes the VIX to 25-30 which only serves to provide more opportunities to short. The upshot is the short vol trade is green lit and should be taken advantage of. It likely will pay better than long equities and mid-term volatility shorts are the safest version of the trade hence ZIVB

>>54958654
>>54958861
I'm way ahead of you

>>54958732
bless you brother

>>54955051
>He bought Lum
Ohhh no no no no ahahaha jajajaja

>>54955051
>I lost 52k on soxl last year

>>54958148
That's why I posted a sleeping animal, dumbass. It's sleeping, just like >futures are
Don't tell me to fuck off because the joke went over you tiny head

>>54958985
and mine >>54957617 was the futures are frozen in the past.

>>54958861
>the occasional panic over nothing that spikes the VIX to 25-30 which only serves to provide more opportunities to short.
What do you do to your existing short in the teens when that pop happens? Just roll it out and up?

>>54958911
Based. I like it

https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/5495902154959021
>>54959021
>>54959021
https://boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/5495902154959021
>>54959021

>>54959003
I wait for those spikes to put the short on actually. When VIX drops back down I take the short off. This cycle I've been flat since April 17th but I'm anticipating a pop up in volatility soon so I can put it back on. When I'm in between trades like right now and VIX is particularly low I day trade long VIX futures. I never hold those for long though and I'm very careful to only put them on when the technicals are near perfect. To put a finer point on it, I swing trade short VIX futures. When volatility spikes high and the VIX term structure goes into backwardation I start looking for a short position and I go in deep then hold it until volatility comes back down then I take it off. Wash rinse repeat. The trick is to not get caught short when VIX decides to pump to 80 again. Two ways to deal with this. Either have a stop or never put on a short position big enough to liquidate your account should VIX pump that high. Also shorting VIX mid-term makes it much less likely you get liquidated in a volatility spike

>>54959058
Thanks for the info, I gotta become a VIXchad again, I'll be on the lookout for the vix pop and will look at those middle months to see if those are in contango while spot VIX is in backwardation

>>54959058
vix contracts are too expensive for me. I think theyre like 17k margin right

>>54959125
Last I checked the CME had it set at 9k but it does fluctuate. They have a mini VIX contract that's 1/10 so only $900 margin. I think the Euro VSTOXX VIX is around 1k margin too

>>54959135
thank you. I will start watching this one.

Shill me a value stock /smg/

>>54959403
TSN

>>54959426
Oh neat, I will research their dip. I was planning on buying something similar (PPC) so this might fit and I imagine TSN just has some cyclical problem and nothing broken with it.

>>54959403
CLF unironically. Im bullish on it over the next month.

>>54959471
nearly 4% dividend too.