/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54932012
>Find an ambitious and maternal woman as early as possible and before you acquire wealth.

Okay but why do you have to marry her in the eyes of the state?

>A good woman is hard to find but nothing in life worth having is easy to obtain.
Sage wisdom

>>54932012
>brough to you by American divorce lawyers association

>>54932044
the marriage ceremony is a public commitment in front of both of your families. it adds gravity to the vows you take and gives you people to be accountable to. just like having kids, i think you'd be surprised how much it means to you after you do it.

I am 29 years old and I never even kissed a girl

>>54932012
have you made it, op? made it in the ways that matter most, i mean. did you find a good woman?

i met mine in college, both of us were virgins when we met. we've only ever been with each other and now we're pair-bonded as shit with three perfect children that make me forget why i even got out of bed before they came along. well, two perfect children and one hellion that's trying to kill us, but you understand.

>>54932124
That's a good reasoning for why you should have a wedding in the eyes of God and your peers. However, what's the point of getting a piece of paper from the state saying that you're married?

>>54932044
If you get a prenup and live in a state that doesn't incentivize child support payments over pre-agreed arrangements then you're more safe from getting fucked over. Some states have it codified that the court system receives 1:1 funding for every child support determination they make. There's been cases where a father and mother split amicably, have everything worked out financially, and the court still demanded large payments from the father to the mother due to this perverse incentivization. No prenup cna protect you either, since they don't cover children. The best solution I've heard is to make it crystal clear to your wife that if she leaves you, she will get absolutely nothing. You have to make it clear that you will go scorched earth if she tries to fuck you.

>>54932044
>>54932209
there can be financial incentives. generally people who avoid getting married for financial reasons are low income. regardless, a stable partner is a financial advantage.
>>54932124
This guy gets it
>>54932146
It's not too late for you, fren. Do not give up on yourself. A good woman is out there waiting for you to find her. It takes effort but it is worth it.
>>54932152
Congratulations on your wife and family. It is a laudable accomplishment.
I met mine in school as well. We are also each-others' first. Children are on the horizon. I can't wait.

>>54932012
>4chan moment

>>54932124
that doesn't answer his question
why does the ceremony have to be witnessed or prformed by the state?

>>54932044
>>54932209
>Okay but why do you have to marry her in the eyes of the state?
In many states it doesn't matter, because of common law marriage.
If you have a relationship with a woman and cohabitate with her for more than two years, then as far as the government is concerned you are now married and she's entitled to half of your stuff.

sneed

>>54932272
You are approaching the question from the wrong frame. If you go into marriage with that mindset: her stuff vs my stuff your ngmi.

A pre-nup assumes one party is considerably wealthier than the other. It can be more than a wrinkle in the power dynamic. I don't advise getting rich and then looking for a woman. You will wrestle with the question of why she was attracted to you. A marriage with a pre-nup is like a house built on sand. You can't trust the foundation.
>Verification not reqd

>9/10 m and ms are poisoned
>the other 1/10 are fine

>>54932097
This, thread should have ended here. OP=gigafag

>>54932443
doomer mentality. divorce rates are troubling but they are not that bad.

if honesty, communication and mutual respect are a priority in a relationship the success rate goes up geometrically.

unfortunately these tenets are not as common as they should be.

I'm waiting out the collapse of the US. When the new system is up and running I'll consider it.

>>54932431
You sound like a moron.
If you're wealthy then you get a prenup before getting married.
If you don't then you are retarded for not protecting yourself.
And I know most of the idiots on biz say they get thrown out, except that isn't true at all if you have a good attorney (which you can afford if you're wealthy).

>fucking the same pussy over and over again
yeah sure, sounds excellent

>>54932495
You missed my point.

If you are concerned with protecting your wealth when approaching the marriage question, your are using the wrong frame. Good women (not gold diggers) are more attracted to a man's ability to generate wealth than the wealth they already have.

It is much harder to sort the wheat from the chaff when you disclose your wealth to a potential match.

>>54932493
High risk strategy. What if the collapse doesn't happen soon enough? Even if we knew it would happen this year, weathering the collapse alone also sounds worse than having the support of a spouse. Who knows how long reconstruction will take?

>>54932489
>-oomer
Shut the fuck up nigger, losing half your shit in 70% of circumstances would be life destroying. Imagine working for 10 years non-stop with no neeting or vacations or whatever and some bitch rugpulls your networth of 660k. "JUST GIT GUD". KYS.

>>54932680
Your reading comprehension is wanting, combined with your temperament suggests marriage may not be right for you. That's okay, we can't all be winners.
Better luck in the next life.

Are you niggers shilling MARRAIGE of all fucking things?

>>54932124
Fuck fake public ceremonies and materialistic bullshit with no meaning except to please others.
More romantic and meaningful to run away somewhere magical in nature or spiritual and get married with the least amount of people possible.
It’s for you. Not them. Not for looks, not to display wealth and stuff. True love and spiritual meaning has been lost on this worthless fucking rock full of ticks and slaves

>>54932680
lol OP getting rekt hard ITT. He'll be here in a few years crying about how his bitch wife divorce raped him, and some tranny will tell him it's his fault anyway because he didn't do [X] thing.

>>54932966
For a lot of people. Marriage is also about sharing that happiness with others, notably with the people they grew up with like family. My GF and I both have huge families and neither of us could imagine eloping simply because the marriage is THE ONE ceremony in a person's life where everyone is expected to come out because they love and support you for something that hopefully will only happen to them once for the remainder of their lives.

>>54932869
Yes.
Get yourself a nice couple bags
or cope seethe and jerk off alone
>>54932966
Having people that love you both witness the ceremony is not about displaying wealth, or at least it shouldn't be. I don't disagree with the sentiment that the ceremony should prioritize the two people getting hitched, but I would not discount the added value of making that commitment in front of friends and family.
>>54933027
I hope you are too young to be posting here and have time to grow out of that solipsistic mentality. your parents failed you. they should've addressed it before kindergarten.
>>54933030
Couldn't agree more, anon.

>>54933114
same
old
pussy
every
night

>>54932012
>If you choose poorly it may ruin you
Sure, but the probability of failure is like 80% and growing.
And that's even if you can participate in the marriage scam, most women these days won't even date you if you're not 6 feet tall.
>t. 8 figure net worth virgin manlet.

>>54933166
if you can't commit to a partner sooner or later you are fucking your hand every night, if not already
even if you are rich and fuck a different whore every night, you will never understand what you are missing.
if you can't get married for one reason or another, then I encourage you cope by continuing to believe that having sex with the same woman is a bad thing.

>>54933177
you can improve those odds if you are using the right standards in your selection process.
being short guarantees the vain women will ignore you. never disclose your wealth, but prove you can create wealth.
i'm short too. i have a short wife. we will have short kids. idgaf about height and neither should you.

>>54933166
Is that a bad thing?

>>54932209
you pay less taxes if you file as married

>>54933299
of course having 0 pussy is worse than having 1 pussy, but specifically signing up for having ONLY 1 pussy OR there will be legal consequences is just suicidal
monogamy is a joke, marriage is a joke
girls hotter than your wife are posted here hourly, if you say to yourself that you don't desire them you are lying and you know it
>even if you are rich and fuck a different whore every night, you will never understand what you are missing.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
and then you are accusing other of coping? please re-read what you wrote lmao
THAT'S coping

same (ticker: SAME)
OLD
pussy
EVERY
night

>>54933359
I don't think you are arguing with me in good faith. But I'll respond to you for the lurkers.

>monogamy is a joke, marriage is a joke
couldn't be further from the truth. there is material value and there is immaterial value. learn to distinguish the two.
>girls are hotter than your wife are posted here, if you say to yourself that you don't desire them you are lying
never made any claim that I don't find attractive women attractive. inconsequential to the topic at hand. do you really think happily married men only find their wife attractive?
>please re-read what you wrote
I meant that a strictly physical connection to a women is lacking the depth of a committed relationship. a man who only fucks whores cannot appreciate this connection.

>>54933359
>i can't for the life of me think that other people's experiences of life might differ from things that I value

>>54932012
Yeah im about to marry a girl who lost her virginity to me (she bled when we fucked and was obviously inexperienced) gonna pump a few babies into her and live my life with her. Also will save about 20k a year on my income taxes so not too bad a deal I think

>>54933574
believe it or not, you can get immaterial value from different women. More of it, actually
>never made any claim that I don't find attractive women attractive
yeah, and you know that you can't have legally them. You castrated yourself in this sense. You just mathematically know that the desire you have can't be fullfilled or you'll lose your house or something. Of course, short incels can't have them either (but at least they can pay for them), but they can realistically dream about having them one day without losing their goods. You can't unless you divorce or cheat. Cheating would be 100% human and natural (because not a single man, i repeat, not a single man is wired to fuck the same old pussy every single fucking night) and a good part of the reason why 80% of marriages end in divorce - which is the logical conclusion to something so stupid.
>a man who only fucks whores cannot appreciate this connection.
we both know that you would instantly throw that connection to the bushes if you were offered a different hot whore every night. I know it, you know it, all the lurkers know it. You can lie about it but you would do it only for the purpose of this discussion, while dreaming about hot young girls every night whetever you consciously want it or not.

>>54933624
but that's exactly what he's doing by saying that immaterial values and strong connections can only be made with one woman at the time, which is obviously false (and gay)

You have to be 18 to post here

>>54933299
So much cope, the fact that you have to defend marriage tooth and nail speaks for itself. Your argument equates to depending on finding the next SHIB miraculously in order to build wealth; its almost entirely dependant on luck and chance, putting the time to be there for the opportunity is only a small factor.

>>54933177
You’re dumb, I’m a 5’4 manlet with only 700k net worth and still have dated and fucked plenty of hot women. Lots of women don’t care that much about height, even the ones who pretend to care will look past it if you have other positive qualities. This one chick who gave me shit tests about my height when we first dated won’t leave me alone after 2 years trying to get me back

>>54933680
congrats. Living the dream anon.

>>54932044
So your community property assets can receive a full step-up in basis when the first of you dies.*

*Only applies for community property states

>>54933624
This same argument can be made for the other side, and Im not even arguing for sleeping round/hedonistic vices. A lot of men like myself dont need to be tied down to other people and thrive in solitude. You should read the story of Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh, not all men are like you that feel an obligation to have a family. To think its a jewish psyop is fucking retarded.

>>54933714
you have reinforced my argument.
to you a woman is like a car. an object to be ridden. who would want to drive the same car for the rest of their life?
you lack the ability to comprehend what i'm telling you because it doesn't accommodate your lens that women are nothing more than simple fuck toys.

>>54933752
you can improve the odds of partnering with a good woman if you apply the right selection bias. read the thread and get back to me.

>>54933680
Well done, anon. I'm happy for you.

>>54933299
>>54933795
Where are you meeting these women who don't care about height anons?
Please tell my your secret, sensei.

>>54933869
This >>54933854 is also directed at your argument. Read through it then get back to me.

>>54932146
I've also never touched boobas which annoys me a little bit.

>>54933869
>like an object
not at all and that's the point, otherwise i would fuck literal sex dolls. Instead, every woman has a different personality, offers a variety of intellectual stimuli and can teach you a lot about a lot of stuff, depending on the life she lived. Different lives, different human beings, different interests, hobbies, movies taste, music taste, fun facts, ways in which they value and appreciate you. That's exactly why you can't stop at one, it's limitating for no reason whatsoever. You are missing out on all the experiences that different beautiful human beings can give you, because you are hard stuck with only one that had only one single life. It's a nightmare

OP, you're posting this on 4chan. Where people (at least some of us) rarely leave our rooms and never could date any girls in school. Where when we asked them out it's 'you're nice, but no, not now, nor ever'. Every anon in this position who experienced instant rejection throughout all of school and college knows that they weren't meant for romance, and from this the thought of MARRIAGE is laughably inconceivable.

>>54933991
you can learn 90% of that stuff on the first few dates. Arguing with you is like trying to explain color vision to a dog. The hardware is just not there.
>>54933913
I hope you are the exception to the rule. Very few men are more fulfilled by their work than by raising a family with a loving wife. I don't deny it happens but it is rare.
>>54933995
You improve your odds of hitting the target if you aim at it. 4chan may have a higher concentration of men that struggle with finding women, but giving up entirely is not a winning strategy. Too many men here are able to provide for a family they will never have because of fear of rejection. I think most of you in this position just need a firm nudge. The defeatist attitude is corrosive and self-destructive. A little encouragement goes a long way. Many of you are worthy of a loving wife and I hope you find the courage to seek it. Rejection is painful but do not let it keep you locked away from the world.

>>54933906
Dating apps, just be honest about your height and don’t act insecure about it. It’s easier in person obviously but even on shitty apps you can find someone, your match rate will be a lot lower though

Thanks for effortposting Anon. Despite all the despair and hopelessness, I do sometimes still have some hope and posts like yours help.

What do you recommend for Anons with a specific fetish they can't get rid of? I'm an architectfag (26, male, white), and I feel nothing for the skinny women typically posted here, but drool over women like pic related. I've cut out all porn since 2022 and tried nofap (currently on day 131 and I ended up desiring even FATTER women, the opposite of what I wanted!) and I still want nothing more than to lay my head on a girl's big fat tummy like a pillow and spend all day baking cookies for her and watching her gorge herself until she's too stuffed and horny to move.

You'd think this would be easy, given the obesity crisis, but not so fast. Lots of the fatties you see in walmart are not only in their 40s, but also gross. Furthermore, so many fat women absolutely HATE their bodies and no amount of love and affection can change that, they WILL leave you because they just can't stand being reminded of how much they hate themselves every time their lovehandles are gently squeezed and their bellies kissed. I've been on all the fetish sites, and they're all wastelands of attention whores and flakes who reply "heyyy" and then nothing else. I tried tinder and, you'll never believe it, I couldn't find more than 3 fat women in over 500 left swipes. I left swiped so much the app actually ran out of women to show me for days at a time. I'm currently putting personal ads on /soc/, and that's gone mostly as you would expect (although I did get a couple skinny girls who talked to me for several months straight before amicably splitting because they found me interesting).

Where do you suggest I look for compatible marriage material anon?

>>54932012
okay but how do i find women who are willing to interact with me? so far all women I have encountered hate me (im ugly)

>>54932152
fuck man this is all i have ever wanted i would give all my money in an instant for it

>>54932012
Shut the fuck up. Stop trying to trick young men into entering a fundamentally unfair contract. They should demand no-fault divorce be abolished before committing themselves to anyone.

>>54932431
>If you go into marriage with that mindset: her stuff vs my stuff your ngmi.
Eat shit. It is my stuff. You can accept that or get the fuck out of my house.
>You will wrestle with the question of why she was attracted to you.
Whether she is or not is irrelevant. In case you didn't figure it out, women are fucking stupid, which is why all stable societies deprive them of the ability to ruin theirs and their husbands lives on a whim.

>>54934841
>>54934864
see
>>54932724

>>54935022
Not an argument. Explain why a man should ever enter an unfair agreement with anyone.

>>54932012
>OH NO NO NO NO NOOOO!
This thread is way too late OP, the contagion has already taken hold.
It's over... civilisation I mean.

>>54934831
>>54934802
you must love yourself and deem yourself worthy of love. women can sense a man's self-esteem. don't let this place bring you down. confidence starts with looking at the mirror and telling yourself that you have agency in the direction of your life. the cliche is worn but true; man cannot remake himself without suffering for he is both the sculptor and the stone. good luck anons

>>54935070
"And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye"

You can get lawyers involved and build a wall separating your assets in the event of a divorce. But that is beside the point.

Explain why a man should forego marriage because he loves his wealth. Imagine missing out because you covet numbers on a screen.

>>54935210
I don't think you understand man, women will not interact with me at all. I have tried everything I can and can't even get a conversation.

>>54935210
>Explain why a man should forego marriage because he loves his wealth.
It's not just about money, it's about time. No fault divorce is a disaster irrespective of financial ruin. You would tell me, tell all men, to devote ourselves to a woman in a system in which it is impossible to assume loyalty or devotion from her in return. Why would I risk losing years or decades, losing my own children, because some dipshit woman got it in her head that she wasn't tended to well enough?

>>54932495
they always leave when you go broke though then you're fucked

>>54932152
at least you got 1 autist :)
gz anon, we can all strive for this

i gave up years ago after trying everything for years and getting nowhere. don't bother responding i've already left the thread. i'll try again if i ever make enough money to leave the west and its broken hookup culture tinder club trainwreck society of atomized humanity.

>>54933166
incredibly mediocre sex with new cum dumpsters
every
single
month

>>54933906
go somewhere where the ratio of females is greatly higher than males, then meet them in person.

apps give them way too much selection, I would say definitely in person and rely on making a good impression

>>54932146
Me too. :(

>>54935278
if you married a dipshit woman, that is on you for not applying the correct selection bias.

I mentioned in the OP that ideally you find your partner before wealth is involved. Wealth muddies the waters when it comes to finding your woman. Again, in general, good women are drawn to a man's ability to create wealth, not the wealth itself. If you have wealth, do not disclose it. Instead, prove you have the capacity to generate.

The better question is, would you risk letting the decades of your life pass you by, missing having a family, because you are afraid of failure?

Physical attraction is important but if it is the #1 criteria in your selection process you are doing it wrong.
>honesty
>communication
>trust
these should be at the top of your list if you want a family.
if your hypothetical wife is a stupid dipshit woman then you've already failed.

>>54932012
Well i want to follow up on the shoes of my grandpa and my dad so of course im going on the route of marriage, i still need to find a wife but i already have the marriage fund thanks to investing in PAPA (x2 ofc)

>>54935461
>if you married a dipshit woman
ALL women are dipshits. No not some, ALL. Giving the option to unilaterally destroy the family is a terrible idea. An unacceptable idea.
>The better question is, would you risk letting the decades of your life pass you by, missing having a family, because you are afraid of failure?
Because the risk/reward simply isn't worth it. You also still haven't answered the question of why men should be expected to participate in a system which is brazenly unfair towards them. Why shouldn't we demand better?

>>54935568
>why participate in unfair systems
this is not the stock market anon
even if it was. does the fact that the market is highly manipulated to the benefit of the ultra-rich prevent you from participating? i'm guessing not.
i'd love to see reform that separates politicians from wall street, but i won't stand on the sidelines waiting for change.
to an extent i agree with the premise; only way to win a rig game is not to play it. fair enough. i don't blame you for being disgusted with a corrupt system.

i don't disagree the law is lopsided. or even that a majority of women are not marriage material.

however your generalizations about women and the legal system are misleading you. thinking in absolute terms like
>ALL women are dipshits
is not only categorically false, but it is actually hurting you from being open to the possibility that there is a good woman out there waiting for you. it is a cop-out for not even bothering and it has made you bitter and resentful.

>>54935732
"Le manipulation" is and always has been a lame cope for "I made a shit bet and lost my ass"
>it is a cop-out for not even bothering and it has made you bitter and resentful.
I am bitter and resentful. You should be. To happily serve a system that sees you as nothing more than a disposable tool is slave mentality, and it's pathetic. You should be bitter, you should be angry, you should say, "No, go fuck yourself".

The poorest demographic in the United States is unmarried elderly people with no children. Take from that what you will.

>>54934545
Blease resbond, I'm verry lonedly DDD:

>>54932044
>>54932209
Tax benefits, price breaks on services like insurance, and official status as each other's spouse for a thousand different reasons of bureaucratic expediency. Undergrad lolbert/anarchist kids should just shut the fuck up about this topic completely until they've grown out of the phase tbdesu.

>>54935461
>if you married a dipshit woman, that is on you for not applying the correct selection bias.
>if other person do bad thing, it's YOUR fault

>>54935461
My wife and I look at the TinderBumblefuckTiktok dating culture now and feel like we took the last elevator ride to leave the Twin Towers. I genuinely pity the younger generation now. It's such an immense clusterfuck
>eating ass
>I'm a trans MtF lesbian but only date cisgender women
>my kids are coming with us on our first date by the way you're paying

>>54935796
So in your worldview the market is free and fair
and all women are stupid dipshits. lol

I do my best to prevent myself to get emotional over factors beyond my control. Again, the generalizing all-or-nothing mindset is holding you back.

The best way you can take a stand against the system is to pay your mortgage early and raise children that share your values. That is more effective than any protest or chimpout.

>>54932012
the marriage contract is unenforceable and has zero upside. divorce is extremely common and will ruin you if you're unprepared or unlucky

>A good woman is hard to find but nothing in life worth having is easy to obtain. Find an ambitious and maternal woman as early as possible and before you acquire wealth

this is true but completely irrelevant, sounds like you're retarded

>>54936026
>The best way to take a stand against the system is to keep your head down and inflate property prices
lol

>>54935919
>be told growing up that marriage is about love
>grow up
>be told to get married for money-related benefits, while also subjecting myself to potential major money loss to the woman if she gets bored with me after a few years
>but somehow marriage is still about love, not money
>still being told if I don't marry a woman then I don't really "love" her

>>54932966
It's not just about materialism. Well, it might be in burgerstan, but it's also about uniting families as a couple becomes one. Their extended families get to spend time together and make connections. It's a community gathering sort of. I've been to some marriages and I think they've been very sweet, none of them very gigantic or anything.

>>54935989
If you apply the aforementioned selection bias, you will weed out the dipshit women.
If you ignore the aforementioned selection bias, you might marry a dipshit woman.

Yes, it is your fault for not scrutinizing during the courtship. Find me a man whose failed relationship was founded on honesty, communication and trust, and still ended in a divorce. Though I'm sure it has happened, I'm also sure it is uncommon.

>>54934545
fren you're so privileged JFL
I'm like you except that my fetish is scat

guess what... I've had worse luck than you... no need to elab

>>54936084
>paying down your mortgage early = inflating property taxes
if paying down mortgage debt ahead of schedule became a trend, you bet your ass the kikes would be coming out in force crying antisemitism. it'd be great.
i don't see your reasoning.

>>54936122
A woman should not get to decide to end the relationship because she just feels like it. You shouldn't have to just assume you've married a woman who wouldn't do that.

>>54936228
Conversely, you shouldn't have to assume your woman is staying with you because the law prevents her from leaving.

If you want a slave you can still get one in many parts of the world.

You are letting a generalized fear and mistrust of women shape your life. That is your prerogative. I think you can do better.

>>54932012
> Find an ambitious and maternal woman as early as possible and before you acquire wealth
too late almost getting wealthy
>Don't let the MGTOW
Already learned about MGTOW not getting jeff bezosed in divorce court.

>>54932012
Yo anon, I guess this is a silly question but do you think church is one of the best places to get married? I'm blessed since I attend a church on a university campus and I'm finding myself slowly converging toward the Christian faith. There's tons of young women there who are actually kind of high value. Do you reckon Christian marriages have the securest foundations? Or any religious marriage for that matter? Also, is your wife Christian? Let me know

>>54936321
Blind trust is not "better", you sanctimonious pussy whipped faggot. Especially when you know that on a population level the policies you are defending are ruinous.

>just find a woman who makes a lot of money
Lmao enjoy your office roastie

>>54936351
I think you improve your odds of finding a good woman in Church. But a better tell is how she treats her parents,
what sort of friends she has, what she prioritizes in life. etc.

I don't know the stats but I would agree that Christian marriages may be more robust.

That said, I believe a secular marriage based on the principles of trust/honesty/communication would have similar odds as any other Christian marriage grounded in the same values.

>>54936369
>making life-changing value judgments based on the average
are you average? why do you think you are incapable of forming a healthy relationship?

you don't like having your worldview challenged. it triggers your amygdala. makes you lash out with ad hominem attacks that undermine your credibility. so yeah, you're average.
>Verification not required

>>54936496
>It's totally fine for a system to be brazenly unfair, just be good enough and lucky enough that it doesn't matter!
Fuck you. If your system fails for the average person, it's a bad system, and doesn't deserve to exist.

>>54936100
The question was about why a person would have their marriage documented by the State, dumbass. I gave the exact answer to the exact question.

>>54936351
>Do you reckon Christian marriages have the securest foundations?
depends if you are christian or american "christian".

>>54936563
>christians arguing over which sect of jew worship is more valid
Here we go.

Been awhile since I saw an obvious demoralization thread on here

>>54936535
>the average couple doesn't base their relationship on honesty/trust/communication
>marriage is bad

ok average joe.

the average person cannot afford an unexpected $500 expense. does this mean the tenets of personal finance don't work?

the problem isn't the method.

>>54936581
>women being women is....demoralization
You are weak willed.

>>54936602
You know what I mean, stop being disingenuous.

>>54932012
Divorce attorney here. You're full of shit. Everything a marriage can accomplish financially can be accomplished with a trust, and with better tax profiles. Seems you rather gibs to the feds.

>>54936606
I don't know what you mean? Explain how avoiding the financial pitfall known as marriage is "demoralization"

>>54932012
Advice only aplicable for chads and tyrones, as always if you are unnatractive or short (under 6 feet for todays standards) your best bet is to be a beta bucks and wait for the inevitable divorce or become a cuck.

>>54936622
explaining the value of marriage to a divorce attorney in terms other than money is like trying to get a fish to breath air.

of course you are jaded. you dedicated your life to serving miserable squabbling narcissists.

>>54932044
Fpbp, checked.

>>54936596
>the average person cannot afford an unexpected $500 expense. does this mean the tenets of personal finance don't work?
Yes. Between the horrible demented inflation of housing, unrelenting federal deficit spending, and the excessive accessibility of consumer credit lines, the personal finance system is completely and utterly broken and it is done so on purpose, to keep the average person dependent on government services and to create steady inflation to let the government inflate away its own debt, even while ensuring that almost nobody can generate meaningful savings.

>>54936688
In an society in which marriage can be ended unilaterally at the stroke of a pen, it has less value than adopting a dog

>>54936786
you just bodied that freak lmfaooo

>>54936622
Can you explain how a trust would work between two people?

>>54932146
im 26 haha

>>54936776
>inflation of housing
don't live where you cannot afford to live
>deficit spending
out of your control
>credit availablility
do not be degenerate

>almost nobody can generate meaningful savings.
No. If your monthly saving doesn't hurt, its not enough. If you cannot afford to save at least 25% ideally 30%, you are living somewhere you cannot afford to reside. Move into the heartland.

People, on average, save less than 8%. Don't be average. The average person blames outside factors to justify an average savings rate. The above average saver takes the cards as they're dealt, and ensures he keeps 30%.

>>54936372
Retard alert.

>>54936849
Hey, zoomer moron, adorning your post with some variation of "lmao" or "lmfaoooo" is a great way to have nobody in the thread take it seriously. Fucking idiot.

My mom told me about someone she went out on a date with before i was born, and she mentioned one of the turn offs of the guy was that he was only 2-3 inches taller than her. I love my mom, but holy fuck.

>>54937825
>yeah anon! I totally got this high paying position because of my work ethic and experience in the field! Totally! Btw I’m going to be home late today!

>>54935796
This is the post of a man who has not yet accepted just how unfair life is. Hopefully, when you do come to truly understand it you'll still choose to play, because there's a hell of a lot to live for even in this shitty, shitty world

>>54932124
You can do that without signing a legal document. Are you a roastie?

>>54933906
You don't want the ones that are obsessed with height anyway.

>>54935461
>if you married a dipshit woman, that is on you for not applying the correct selection bias.

>The woman will act the same way in 1,5,or 10 years from now
Lol, lmao.

Women are emotional beings, and their feelings change like the ebb and flow of the tide.

>>54935919
Wow! Certainly seems like risking 50% of your assets for.

What a good deal.

>>54938682
Don't beat her up doesn't mean you cant bully her

>>54938563
name five

>>54938703
Actually sweetie that would be emotional abuse and coercive and controlling behaviour. That's a crime in bongland.

>>54932012
>Marriage can be an excellent financial decision
Stopped reading there. You're fucking retarded.
>just find the right woman bro it's not that bad bro
That's all fine and well but if you EVER choose wrong or if she EVER changes/takes off the mask then you're financially ruined. Anyone who gives the keys to their finances to a fucking woman deserves to lose it all at this point. You don't need a government contract.

>>54933906
>Ugly 5-headed coalburner
>Has filter turned up so fucking high she looks like a cartoon
>whoring your tits out online when your "boyfriend" is literally right there
Tall or not, you don't want a height-obsessed roastie like this anyways. She will NEVER love you for you and WILL leave when something better comes.

How does paying for some whore make me money?

>>54933114
Go suck off your pastor, christcuck troll.

>>54932225
>get a prenup
How many times do you have to be tole that those dont work anymore?

>>54932012
What about a boywife?

Where do I find an ambitious woman?

>>54934332
>>54935401
>Apps are good
>Apps are bad
Well which is it anons?!

>>54938634
>>54938817
But anons, 99% of women are height obsessed as proven by science.

>>54932012
just find wimmen who
>doesn't have onlyfans
>doesn't whore herself out on instagram, tiktok, etc
>isn't covered in tattoos (negotiable, if they are from her past and she regrets / wont get more)
>doesn't have dyed green/blue hair
>wants a family
>doesn't have a history of cheating
>didn't get 3 shots of vax (prolly infertile / baby will be retarded / she will freak out if you don't want your kids vaccinated)
>isn't insane liberal who will abort child
>isn't super anti religious or a "witch" or any other crap like that
>isn't a single mom already (you guys can do that if you want, i don't think i can though)
>same race as you (preferably, if i have kids i'd like them to look like me and share my identity)
>is open to homeschooling / alternative schooling
>wont divorce you and never let you see kids again (i guess you can only hope it wont happen at best)
>wont want an "open relationship" after a few years
>knows how to cook, clean etc, even if you share those responsibilities she should fucking know how to do it, which a lot of millenials and younger actually don't
>not in massive debt with a useless degree

impossible challenge:
>isn't addicted to her fucking phone

did i forget any?

>>54938563
the only thing worth living for is the prospect we can build a better world, probably though pro minecraft gaming speedruns if you get what i mean. we need minecraft gaming tournaments all over the western world daily. probably a pipedream though

>>54932012
> A good woman is hard to find
I found one who is now my wife, and since we got married she has made my life a lot easier.
I don't hide anything from her, and even my savings in stablecoins which I'm staking on SpoolFi, she has access to it.
Hopefully, we make babies someday

>>54932044
FPBP

>>54940144
make them now. start fucking.

>>54940037
What's the probability that a girl meets all of those criteria? 1/1,000,000? We are fucked.

>>54932012
Agreed. My wife's parents just bought us a house for 850k. At 25 years old I literally have my whole life set thanks to her. I can just chill for the rest of my life if I wanted. Not to mention her massive inheritance in the future.

People forget marriages used to be all about securing wealth and power. Not to say love being a factor now is a bad thing but men focus way too much on love. She doesn't have to be rich but she needs to have qualities, traits and skills that can create wealth.

>>54932124
>>54932012
What kind of cuck feels the need to invite the government into their personal relationships? There is zero reason to get married by the state these days.
>mmmm govern me harder daddy, love that boot!

>>54932012
Why shouldn't I just gay marry one of my bros?

>>54940037

Yep pack it up lads that woman doesn't exist.

>get married
>have a kid
>life isn't shit anymore
>wife loves me
>I love wife
>we bang often
>get hella gibs for having had a kid
>kid is really cute and smiles at me and calls me dad and gives me hugs
>entire wedding cost a grand and we did it in her folks back yard
Getting married has been the best decision I ever made and I'm happy that shitters self-filter out of the gene pool and regular society with a good quality of life by not doing it. Plus their bastard maladapted fatherless crotchfruit from their hookups can grow up to flip my burgers or join the military.

>>54935919
> bootlicker makes mouth noises
Just put the boot back in

>>54940144
Well, I guess you completely trust her to give her access to your savings on that DeFi middleware.
I hope she stays the good woman and doesn't flip on you

>>54936688
Fish do breathe air. The gills extract the air from the water.

>>54932012
YIKES

>>54932012
The ideal marriage is for men who are financially independent and already reached their peak, and for women who are virgins.

If you're a man who haven't reached your full potential yet and is financially dependent, becoming a married man will be the end of your life. It's literally game over.

Your life will become a monotonous hell.
You will become a desperate man.
Your wife will slowly hate you by being such a piece of mediocre shit with no potential left.
Your marriage is failure from the start. And you'll become a bad
Your boss will have a leverage over you and you'll become his/her bitch.
You'll become docile, uninspired, stressed and your brain will rot.
You'll not resist this hell because your brain is already rotting, like a frog slowly boiling in a pot.

Do you wonder why when you were a kid you see most adults as retarded losers?
It's because they marry even tho they can't afford it, financially and/or intellectually.
And you'll become one of them, guaranteed.

>>54932012
>ambitious
why

>>54935374
if it's mediocre with one you can just jump to the next one, that's the point

>>54932443
>spells it m and ms
>m&ms

Wtf lol

>>54932012
>Marriage can be an excellent financial decision

Can you elaborate on what kind of financial benefits there are to marrying for couples where the difference in annual income is less than 30k? (e.g. 100k vs 70k). She doesn't currently have plans to stop working after kids.

I want to marry my girlfriend with the intent of getting a prenup to keep finances separate, and haven't really found a good reason not to. The tax incentives seem to be outweighed by the peace of mind that would come with each of us having our own accounts. More explicitly,
- Forced joint planning and clearly defined contribution to all financial goals (kids college tuition, house, etc)
- Less friction around spending discretionary income on ourselves
- No financial incentive for divorce

>>54940417
Congratulations, anon. I'm happy for you

>>54942422
Because you want someone that will share your goals and support you to improve your systems to achieve them. It shows they are future-minded.
>>54942896
The financial benefits are not just tax-related. A stable partner is an advantage regardless of whether the marriage is formalized to the state.

If a pre-nup is what you both want, then go for it. Sounds like you want to go with a "trust but verify" approach. as long as you and your partner are on the same page, I don't see an issue.

>>54940254
Glad for you, anon. You've made it. Have a great life.
>>54940144
That is awesome. Best of luck to you and your future family
>>54940037
I didn't say it was easy I just promised it was worth it. Good women are out there. The ones you see plastered around the internet have jaded you. Don't let those generalizations dissuade you from looking.

>>54933714
>80% of marriages end in divorce
i swear you guys are going to get this mythical statistic up to 100% one day

anyway the usual 50-60% rate includes 2nd and 3rd marriages, and so on...1st marriages have a much lower rate and you people always fail to realize or mention that

>>54943980
>it's only a 50% chance of losing half
still shitty odds
also the woman almost always initiates the divorce

giving women half only made sense before women had jobs and back when women used to have children. no kids and she can get a job then why does the guy have to lose half? makes no sense and this policy is hurting birth rates probably on purpose

>>54932012
There's a 50% all my shit would be tale in a divorce and an even higher chance of being in a loveless marriage

>>54942414
>The ideal marriage is for men who are financially independent and already reached their peak, and for women who are virgins.
A married couple should be self-sustaining, agreed. Financially independent, to me, means passive income exceeds cost of living. That should be a shared objective, but not a pre-requisite to marriage. I agree that the ideal wife, and husband, are virgins.
That is the ideal. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good-enough. If you and your partner are honest, trustworthy and communicate openly, you are set up for a successful partnership.

>Do you wonder why when you were a kid you see most adults as retarded losers?
Says more about your childhood and the crowd your parents hung around. I'm sorry you grew up with a poor impression of married life.

>>54944180
>also the woman almost always initiates the divorce
also confused with 2nd and 3rd marriages etc. which you ignored anyway. MGTOW are just masked anti-natalists and need to admit it already.

>>54943980
>anyway the usual 50-60% rate includes 2nd and 3rd marriages, and so on
oh well, that changes everything lmao

>>54938998
How many times are you going to peddle this myth? Prenups that are written by and looked at by both side's attorneys, and are signed well before the marriage are legally binding. You're either a faggot jew trying to demoralize, or live in one of the small handful of turbo-cucked states that don't care about the law.

>>54936983
The trust is not between husband and wife. Even if a man doesn’t have children, consider the scenario where he’s a man of means and his parents aren’t. He can create a trust to ensure his parents will be taken care of in their old age, even if he himself dies, or suffers a divorce or a big lawsuit.

>>54940467
Oxygen is not air, air is mostly nitrogen

>>54944685
Legally binding doesn't mean shit; courts and attorneys do not practice law. They are apparatchiks serving a corporate bottom line. Lawful and legal are polar opposites.

>>54943980
since you didn't post a link:
https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/

>>54945650
>Why people are divorcing in the united states?
>42. Lack of commitment is the most common reason given by divorcing couples according to a recent national survey.
>Here are the reasons given and their percentages:
>Lack of commitment 73%
>Argue too much 56%
>Infidelity 55%
>Married too young 46%
>Unrealistic expectations 45%
>Lack of equality in the relationship 44%
>Lack of preparation for marriage 41%
>Domestic Violence or Abuse 25%
>(Respondents often cited more that one reason, therefore the percentages add up to much more than 100 percent)

All of the above indicate a dearth of honesty, trust and communication.
Prioritize these during your selection process and you will have drastically better chances.

Good link, thanks.

>>54945805
drastically better chances
of fucking
the same
old
pussy
every
day
for the rest of your life

>>54946389
you are persistent ill give you that
shows you can commit
so you have that going for you, which is nice

>>54946424
alright i laughed, i'll leave you alone bro
unironically have a nice life and be happy, whatever works for you

>>54946434
same to you anon
you lecherous bastard
you're alright

>>54946588
I can give honest horndogs a pass, at least they know what they want and don't lie about it.

>>54944230
> Says more about your childhood and the crowd your parents hung around. I'm sorry you grew up with a poor impression of married life.

The average married couples are retarded losers. The average married couple live paycheck to paycheck. The average marriage is a divine comedy.
You're lucky if you came from an above average environment.

Young men ITT are calculating and they strive for the successful married life, it's in our instinct.
You're talking as if all of us have the resources, that it's just a matter of will power to solve all your problems. We're living in an overly saturated economy ffs.
It's just that your naive optimism and passive aggressiveness is very insulting.
Maybe your brain is too simplistic and you don't have any malice at all, or you're trying to upset and one-up people ITT.
You don't offer any solutions at all, you're only worsening the unfavourable situation of most young men.
This thread is very demoralizing.

>>54947788
>it's hard and expensive and I just don't wanna do it because it's hard and expensive
FTFY

>>54932012
>Find an ambitious and maternal woman as early as possible and before you acquire wealth. Thank me later.
You could also get an 18 year old at 30 once you acquired wealth

>>54948483
Marriage is not expensive, kids are not expensive.
All it takes is to sell your soul, potential and edginess and become a docile human being.

You see, I see married couples without generational wealth as retarded losers.
Their lives are not very productive, dead ends, and they're leaving a huge burden to their kids.
They're perpetuating idiocrisy. But there's nothing you can do I guess, we need to cum.
That's the divine comedy.

But that's not the point. I'm talking at our economic situation at the macro level.
The problem lies within the economy, it wants as many losers as possible to keep the flow of money going!

The only answer to everything is to be financially independent!

It does not matter even if you're earning a 6-figure income, if you depend on someone for money, you're a loser.
Watch the movie Margin Call, they're the top echelon of society yet they still feel scared shitless about their future.

And just casually recommending people to get married is just plain meaningless.
Might as well just shut the fuck up.

Young men should focus on their resources first, go all out and reach their peak.

I still don’t know how I feel about marriage and everything, maybe I don’t have to figure it out yet because it’s not time for marriage and so I have time to think things over (I just turned 22) but I’ve been with my gf now for almost 2 years and she’s great. She’s nice and fun and she has good values, doesn’t go out with people, doesn’t smoke and doesn’t drink (mostly) and her family is nice. I think I want to marry her one day but at the same time I don’t want to be a loser. I don’t want to be one of these faggots that gets married and is just stuck where they’re at and they’re extremely lame and don’t have very many hobbies / usually have a low paying job. Im getting my degree in comp sci and I think Im pretty interesting and have a lot of hobbies but I don’t want to turn into a loser but I also want her and want kids with her… idk what to do :(

Fucking 29 pbtid pro-marriage domesticated simp

>>54949020
If you don't marry her you'll end up like one of those balding programmers at 35 who are single and whose only hope for romantic prospects are women in Thailand

>>54948900
damn that's a lot of cope for having been naturally selected out

>>54949095
Stop projecting. I'm already financially independent. I have tons of options.

If you can only feel the fire within my heart.

>>54947788
I am OP
>We're living in an overly saturated economy ffs.
Another reason a stable partner is an advantage.

>passive agressive
>demoralizing
Anon, I am sincere. What's demoralizing is the number of ambitious and capable people on this board sifting through the chaff day after day, slogging through their 20s and 30s alone believing they had to make-it before finding a wife. But that is the sad reality.

>>54949331
You've made it financially speaking but your jaded about marriage. You bought the "get rich and marry a child" meme like >>54948602

You feel demoralized by this thread because you've got plenty of cash and you realized you don't have much in common with teenagers, and you can't get back those years you could've shared with a loving companion. You are proving my point.

>>54949461
Haste. Haste makes waste! This should be considered as a law of the universe.

The market wants to have as many losers as possible.
It doesn't discriminate if you're rich or poor. It wants see people lose.
And how does the market achieves that? Through FOMO. Fear of missing out.
FOMO is the primary culprit, that's how the market suckered people into losing their money, time and thus their potential.
The internet is literally FOMOing the people into mindless zombies.

I'm telling you. You don't need a high IQ to make it. In fact, it's the midwits who speedrun their potential into ruins. Because of haste, arrogance and not having enough IQ to see the whole picture.
All you need are logic, strong fundamentals and balls. BALLS.

Common sense is FOMO. Instinct is logic!

This is the same for marriage. Even Aristotle advises men to marry late (he literally said 35m/18f, look it up).
I'm well read and I considered Aristotle to be one of the smartest.

And this is why I said this thread is demoralizing. You are initiating FOMO into young people's mind without having strong fundamentals to back it up.
All You're literally FOMOing them into ruins. All your posts read like feminine generic quotes, sounds good but unproductive.

I wish I hadn't fallen for the mgtow "never get married, never have relationships, women are only for sex" folks years ago. guys like Tom Leykis who influenced me when I was still pretty young and convinced me to forgo relationships and that being involved with women would only lead to calamity. not only do I feel like I missed out on the possibility of a happy fulfilling relationship, but also without a woman in my life there's really nothing to push me to strive harder, to be better. Nothing really to aspire to. A single guy doesn't really need much to comfortably get by and so there's not much point in pushing myself since moving up in my career or whatever wouldn't do much to improve my material well being. Now I'm an old fuck and it's too late. all i can do now is act as a warning for others

>>54950139
Grass is greener on the other side. You are already happy and you're complaining about it because you don't have a nagging wife who doesn't put out. You don't need to strive for anything unless you want to. It has to come from your heart. Do whatever you want.

>>54950090
Haste is buying the shitcoin of the week. I am advocating a proven long term strategy. You discount the advantage of having a wife because to you they are just another liability. There is financial incentive beyond tax breaks. Pooling resources improves the bottom line, besides the immaterial benefits.

Aristotle viewed marriage as an institution that is solely aimed at procreation. From a macro perspective his model has merit but on an individual basis he was outside his lane. It's not surprising that, in general, philosophers make unsuitable life partners.

>>54950351
Yeah I know you're right. What I'm pining for is a mirage, and that being upset about not having achieved some ideal fantasy is dumb. Plus if I had pursued relationships like most men do that I might be in a much worse spot today. still can't fake that feeling of "what if" though, even though I know it's irrational. It's a fact that men who are married work harder and achieve more, and are happier on average. that doesn't mean I would have been though

>>54950139
Goals will make your heartbeat faster, you will feel alive, and have more energy.
In life you should have multiple goals with varying difficulties, easy, hard, and impossible, so that the music never stops.

>>54950366
Lol, it's very cruel of you to think of family as an investment.
Raising a family should be out of moral obligation, instinct and an expression of gratitude to life. It should be out of unconditional love.
I'm not a lowlife who start a family just because I'm bored, because I can profit out of it, or just to flex with my peers.

>>54950408
Most marriages from high achievers are shams and only done for social brownie points. You think Trump gave a fuck about his wives? Floyd Mayweather, the greatest boxer of our times, he knows marriage is a scam and would never get married.

>>54950139
how old

>>54950720
early 40s. u might say "that's not too old" and I suppose technically that's true but it kind of is. I have zero interest in women my age and marriage-age (say, 25-32) women don't really have any interest in some old dude. not to mention the lack of relationship experience puts me at a huge disadvantage not sure how i could make up for that gap after so long.

i think my main regret is not so much that I didn't get married or pursue relationships with women. It's more that I should have at least taken the chance, made an attempt, rather than just taking other dudes' word for it that women = misery & financial ruin, and steering clear of relationships for most of my adult life. I didn't try to find out for myself

I will make a harem after I make generational wealth and set funds for each child.

>>54950789
I’m gonna second this post as a warning to you young fucks. Now unlike this poster I didn’t live as some kind of weird incel from 15-40, but the mistake I made was never getting married. And you might think you can fuck around with lots of different women for years and year (and it’s true, you can) but the wall comes for men too. And basically after 40 it’s impossible to have a relationship anymore. Here’s why, the women you will have access to will all be old used up and unattractive. So you’re attempting to have an arrangement instead of a relationship with someone you are not attracted to and your brain screams at you DO NOT FUCK!!!! Women who are young and attractive on the other hand will just view you as an old used up creep who is old enough to be their dad. And before someone inevitably chimes in that they are 45 years old and fucking a 19 year old I’m here to tell you that 19 year is absolutely 100% BAT SHIT INSANE!!!!

So your options after 40 just suck and you will just sit at home alone in silence while your body and mind rapidly disintegrate with each passing year. I wouldn’t recommend it. So those of you who are still viable on the dating market need to make the most of it before it is too late!!!!!

>>54950789
Honestly, the MGTOW statis has to be earned. Incels like yourself use it as a coping mechanism for failing dating, you have to have had a few intimate relationships and enough first hand experience to hone in on that conclusion, knowing all the women you've been with added no value to your life outside of their holes settles the debate in your heart. You have no experience so you doubt and regret, what you actually want is to verify your choice. Its not over at 40 unless you're actually a failure.

>>54950862
status*

>>54932012
Historically you would be right, but unfortunately marriage has been abolished in the US (and most western countries). Marriage is against the law in America. You cannot get married. Just because the word "marriage" is used to describe a bizarre, lopsided state-enforced indenture contract to a woman, doesn't actually instill it with the honor and benefits of the ancient institution it replaced.

Imagine if you owned a property and the tenant laws were so strong that if you made your renters unhappy for any reason (or no reason) they could just stop paying rent and take you to court to have you expelled from the house -- and you would still be on the hook for the mortgage, maintenance, and expenses, with no ability to evict them, and if you fell behind on your obligations you could go to prison. Would you be proud to be a "landlord"?

>>54950862
maybe u are right. when I was younger I did have a few relationships but they didn't go well and caused me a lot of unhappiness which made me reluctant to keep trying. I also saw my friends with their girlfriends constantly bitching them out and complaining nonstop and thought "glad I don't have to deal with that shit". Add to that all the mgtow influencers out there filling my head with stories about how awful women are. I tried to convince myself i was making the right decision. yeah it's just a cope. what else am I supposed to do though?

>>54950789
Having only few information is very dangerous. That's how you become a myopic extremist.
Just like Kanye said, it's all about having access to more information.

The passing of time doesn't really give you answers, only assumptions even teens can have. You just have to send it, dude.

Women don't like me though

>>54950923
get back out there, plenty of 30 year olds date up

>>54932272
lmao, do americans really?

>>54932146
Happy birthday man

>>54937572
Wow, full blown retard. Just shoot yourself in the head, you’re not using it for thinking.

>>54951080
Just be confident bro

>>54950643
we are in agreement. read my earlier posts.

>>54950884
>women aren't property anymore so why bother
Good bait or bad cope

>>54950923
I feel for you anon. I don't know your situation but coping because you think you missed out is not your only option. Some other anons here will discourage you from fanning your hopes, but I think that is your best bet. You may not succeed but at least you will have tried. You greatly increase your odds of hitting the target when you aim at it. Good luck, seriously.

>>54952019
>arranging your life around an above average savings rate is retarded
It's not. But it is difficult. Let go of the trappings and lifestyle that are keeping you down. Or don't and stay with your peer group living near a coastal city that none of you can afford.

All my married friends’ wives are essentially their roommates with tits. Except worse. If they have similar levels of income it is still “his money are their money and her money are her money”. A guy who earns mid 6 figs has his wife leeching off of him. One is in an open relationships and they have 6 yo kid together. At best those bitches would cook 1-2 meals, but most of the time they go to restaurants or their wives go out with their girlfriends while husbands work. Except for that one guy, all couples I know are childless but have “fur babies”. One guy was asking me if I know any good home delivery meal plans. His wife isn’t working at the moment. It all such a mess. Modern women are utterly worthless, if you have extra money to spare for the status of being a married man and to have access to a moist hole, I guess go for it. If you delude yourself this will make your life easier, avoid marriage and relationships at all cost.

>>54949461
if you tell yourself that happiness and contentment is anchored to impermanent things, you'll be living in a permanent state of cope.

happiness is not something you 'get' once you find a partner, or get married, or have kids, its only something you can experience presently.

I wish you luck on your journey

>>54932044
You don't have to, but if you're going to argue that your love is enough to prove your bond and marriage under God then you shouldn't also argue that she can steal half your shit if you are married in the eyes of the state. There is no risk in marrying a GOOD woman and you only GAIN from all the tax benefits.

t. married under God with wife and two kids and finally got it legalized by the state because I'd be an idiot not to take all that tax relief

>>54951856
thanks

>>54932146
Whew.

Marriage is extremely stressful. I’m fucking killing myself trying to make a relationship and a finance career work at the same time. I don’t know how people do it, you spend all your energy working and then it’s just constant bitching and nagging after about how she needs more attention.

>tfw about to turn 29
>go to a parish by the local university, where there happen to be a lot of young people
>cute student I see there all the time, she's probably 20
>we consistently sit near each other
>she's cute and catholic, would definitely marry her
>ask her out one day after mass, but she says no
>umm okay
>she keeps sitting near me at mass and we keep meeting eyes
>fast forward several months
>fuck it, I'm going to ask her out again
>she says no and seems surprised
>umm okay
>she continues to sit right behind me or near me in the following masses

What the fuck, bros? I know she's younger, but what kind of games are these? Incidentally, I'd marry her in a heart beat. She's modest, cute, younger, and catholic. I pray that we get married.

>>54932012
Ever man I have ever spoken to has said the same thing. Do not get married. Even the best woman will still be out for herself when shit hits the fan.

>>54953485
why did you marry a woman that actively makes your life harder
I'd rather (continue) to be single than put up with a chick that actively makes me feel worse all the times I'm not busting a nut

>>54932012
knegg ;)

>>54952919
How long have you been married?

>>54932012
you can get all the advantages without the legal contract

>>54935919
>risk 50% of your net worth goys
>it comes with amazing benefits like saving $2k/ year in taxes and paying less per person (but more overall because you’re the breadwinner) on insurance
>you’d have to be an early 20s anarchism to refuse this deal
Lmao

>>54932553
Agreed, you shouldnt go into a relationship looking for it to fail, but you should protect yourself regardless. Its a good test for her too, similar to getting a DNA test for the baby. If she balks at it then thats a red flag
>>54954357
Nothing could be at risk if you do it right. Non-revocable trusts are amazing and if youre actually rich can shield you a lot.
>>54953565
Maybe thinking too much about it. Maybe she just likes sitting there. Idk, break her out to a bible study or maybe another church activity or something and get to know her better. And how are you asking her out? Maybe delivery is bad, but you sound kinda desperate already wanting to marry this random woman you barely know
>>54953485
I was having a mental breakdown last night over some sloot which mostly originates from me being single, lonely, and lack of validation from this girl in question (and general). Career is a means to an end and I find it hard to work when that 3rd tier in the pyramid of needs is not being met. But I do need validation from women which is a fault and need to work on. Even though I know I'm a high value male, I can't shake those emotions
>>54953034
Weak men too are the issue. If you dont set boundaries and expectations then you can expect people and women to walk all over you.

>>54951745
Bingo
>>54950923
Mgtow can be toxic because its kinda blackpilled. You have guys giving up because they got hurt in the past or like you just never tried. You need to be mindful of women and their state just like anything, but know they come in my sizes just like dudes. If youre happy single, great keep doing you, but if you maybe want a gf or something even a shadow of a doubt, you should go for it. I'm only 25 so way younger, and while I regret dating or even hooking up with some women and the pain they caused, I regret the shots I didnt take way way more. Its easy to sit on the sidelines but less fun. More fun to get out there, maybe get tackled and get back up again. Its similar to business and entrepreneurship. You need to be able to try, fail and get back up again. Little harder with women because of those emotional feelings and fallout but if you have an internal lotus of control you will do well in both avenues.

>>54954541
>Nothing could be at risk if you do it right. Non-revocable trusts are amazing and if youre actually rich can shield you a lot.
Shut up brainlet. If millionaires and billionaires couldn’t protect their wealth from their ex wives, you can’t either. What you’re suggesting it a bad deal for anyone with a brain. Some people win the coin flip, some don’t. if I’m going to risk it all on losing odds, I can do that at a casino with an actual reward for winning.

>>54932012
>Don't let the MGTOW
LOL, even my mom knows marriage is fucking stupid and the worst decision (financia, but also in general) a man can ever make in his life, and she's a leftist (and not the US-liberal kind of "leftist", mind you)
plus, marriage in our age is nonsense

>>54954741
oh, she's also catholic, and poor as rats.
so yeah, not even poor, old, catholic people believe that bs anymore.

>>54953565
There is too much missing context to answer you. Befriend someone at church that is connected to her through friendship or family. She may not be the one or you may discover more reasons you are compatible.. Good luck fren.

>>54954110
Too few and you'll claim I'm using rose-colored glasses
Too many and you'll say I'm out of touch

If the law's bias on marriage has stopped you from pursuing one I think you need to reconsider your motives and expectations for yourself and your partner. Then learn how to communicate them.

>>54954541
>Weak men too are the issue. If you dont set boundaries and expectations
It isn’t that the men are weak. It is that men are normies and want whats considered “normal relationships”. And speaking of boundaries and expectations - those are set by society in regards to how relationships and families work. Men just adapt and take the deal that’s available so that they aren’t considered incel losers. Go and tell modern woman you want her to be stay at home, raise your kids and cook you 3 meals a day. I did that. At best they say it isn’t how it works nowadays, at worst that look at you like you offered them to move to Afghanistan.

>>54954777
Nice dodge, retard, but seriously. If you've made it over 10 years then well done, less than 5 years then stfu. But we know the real answer is 0 years.

>>54955357
Oh, I do tell them that and I tell them I want 6 fucking kids. I make it a fair deal: if you can make more than me I'll stay at home (which sounds amazing to be honest). Expectations are still set by people and their overall basis can be derived from bio in some way. But regardless there are women who do wanna just stay at home 100% and way more than can be easily convinced. Now you wanna bring home some good pay, I'm at $120k but honestly $80k in a decent cost of living area is good enough.
>men take what's given so not to be incels
Those are betas. You need to have standards, while realistic (can't be a poor fatty and expect anything above a 4) need to hold yourself and the frame. Its like friends, you want people that value you and want to be with you. Dont waste time chasing because you should value yourself.

>>54954771
its your fault your unhappy

i keep seeing this thread and it makes me so sad. i want a wife more than anything but its not in the cards for me. take this stuff to a different board please

>>54955466
>Expectations are still set by people and their overall basis can be derived from bio in some way.
I disagree. My grandfather got the marriage he got not because he maintained frame and used tactical soap, but because what he got was the norm back then. And yes, expectations are derived from our biology, which is affected by our environment. If you haven’t noticed our environment drastically changed which affect relationships between sexes. I am not saying that “trad” marriage and relationships are impossible to achieve, but it is also not completely impossible to live off the land, off-grid. But it isnt something that every man can (and wants to) achieve and these days.

>>54933869
Imagine if you could only have one car for the rest of your life, but you get to choose the car. Then imagine how you'd take car of that car. You'd maintain it well. Now understand that both people are the "car" for each other in a marriage.

My wife cares for me in ways that a lot of you can't comprehend. She cooks for me, fucks me, gave birth to 4 of our children, she massages my back n shit after work. She bathes our golden retriever and makes him smell nice and we go on walks with the dog together. Understand that I do all kinds of stuff she likes too.

>>54935277
Anon I was like you when I was younger, probably a bigger autist than you are with a speech impediment (which I still have desu). You've gotta start with yourself, lift and gain some confidence, find activities that you enjoy and are passionate about that you can share. Honestly I tried every avenue I could to get a gf when I was younger and had similar problems, but you build over time; at first I was scared to even talk to girls online, then I did awkward conversations, then I did awkward dates, then dates weren't so awkward and I met the women that would become my wife and she loves me exactly for who I am, and would initiate dates WITH ME. Also I should say, don't stop building at girlfriend, you keep going until you're the man you want to be, then keep pushing beyond that.

>>54955746
imagine if your options for the car in question ranged from the crackhouse used car lot to the junkyard
no matter what you do that bitch is not making it 200k more miles
that's what modern marriage is like for men who didn't score the unicorn in high school (or 30 years ago)

>>54955988
I already lift and have hobbies. That hasn't helped any because women won't have a conversation with me, so I can never show them who I am as a person.

>>54940037
this post just made me decide to get married.

the woman i'm with is amazing.

and that's excluding her pretty face and fat ass

thank you.

>>54955988
You are talking to a well known troll from /adv/. Don't bother.

>>54956100
>well known troll from /adv/
you mean probably the majority of men on this site? hell, in the country? even guys that take the muh lift muh frame pill struggle to get laid, its simply a matter of variables mostly outside their control (height, personality, life situation) preventing them from getting laid, not having slightly smaller muscles back then than they do now

>>54956030
Go full pua mode at this point and ask out/talk to as many girls as you can (and yes I include online dating here, more options is better). It's time consuming and a little embarrassing, but you will improve/find girls that are interested in you.

>>54956119
>>>/r9k/

>>54956131
nobody actually does that shit, I know a guy that spent 3 weeks hitting every bar in our town multiple times and the only thing he got out of it was a massive blackpill suppository and 2 grand of bar tabs
if chicks aren't already flirting with him they aren't gonna magically like him just because he accosted them in public

>>54956100
Ah makes sense. My general advice to anyone that actually is having problems is to just keep pushing, you know where you need to improve.

>>54956131
I've approached hundreds of women irl, over 30k on dating apps according to my tinder data (and thats a few months old). They still want nothing to do with me. I've tried just about every redpill/pua tactic you can think of, but no amount of game matters when you don't have the opportunity to show any of your personality to women.

>>54956100
how exactly am I trolling by trying my hardest to get a gf?

>>54932146
i gave my first at 26 , its over