/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54932032
thats academia in general lol

people who do masters in gender studies end up being professors that teach other kids about gender studies - their job literally could not exist without being subsidized by academia

>>54932032
"college degree is a meme" is unironically a meme. I'm 31 and wanna kms every day for not getting it when I was younger. I hate this shit, having that piece of paper opens up so many doors that are outright closed to you when you don't have a degree. People with the degree say it's a meme because they don't even see the door, just an entrance.

>>54932094
I have a math degree and can't get hired anywhere

>>54932032
This guy is an Egyptologist, and he goes on to travelling to other planets, saving Earth multiple times, and having lots of sex with many alien and Earth women. You jealous, White boys?

degress are for suckers unless you are going to be a Dr. or something of that nature. If you get a degree in computer science and things like that you are wasting your money.

>>54932032
Econ degree chad here. one of the best decisions ive ever made

cope seethe dial 8

>>54932108
>math
should have done engineering, we can do same stuff as you plus more

>>54932108
Learn to code and unironically 300k starting

I finished college and I'm still a kissless virgin lol

>>54932184
I know how to write programs but nobody wants to hire me.

>>54932032
I have a masters degree in accounting and finance, the only jobs I ever get are shitty internships where I don't learn anything new and barely get any pay

One of my buddies is still in school after 4 years for a bachelor's in CS. He's taken the worst possible path of going about it and transferred schools 4 times. Now he tells me he's putting all his assignments into ChatGPT. He says he'll be making a lot of money and talks about buying this car or that car when he graduates.
Whenever he pisses me off I pray that he won't find a job/gets replaced by an AI and his degree becomes worthless

>>54932032
>>54932094
>"college degree is a meme" is unironically a meme
This.
My cousin went to college and got a bachelor's in compsci and immediately got a six figure job out of college.
I said that college was a scam and thought I was going to make it big from dropshipping or crypto, but at 31 I'm still broke and living with my parents.

>>54932032
I worked in a call centre for ten years and took quantity surveying as it paid well, sounded interesting and there’s a shortage of quantity surveyors in the UK. I graduated with a 2:1, applied only for five jobs and got my top choice. It pays well, is interesting and there’s an even bigger shortage of quantity surveyors now so I could easily get a job elsewhere if I wanted to. Not a meme if you pick your degree carefully.

>>54932032
Yes and I regret it every day. I only make 90k (before taxes) working from home. I guess it's nice that I can just take a nap and no one minds so I only work about 40 hrs/wk, but I really wish I was "laying pipe" if you know what I mean (working as a plumber, in case you don't) or welding or something for 200k/month.

>>54932108
You’re low IQ
Sorry

>>54932351
It's a roll of the die.

>>54932376
You have posted this in multiple threads over several months, what's your fucking game.

>>54932394
>plumber
>welding
>200k a year (let alone a month kek)
KEK try like 70k before taxes. And that’s with a union job

>>54932412
>You have posted this in multiple threads over several months, what's your fucking game

No I haven’t. I’ve mentioned quantity surveying on /biz/ before in threads about jobs but I assure you I haven’t made this post before.

>>54932032
>Egyptology

The entire coursework is WE WUZ PHARAOHS garbage, no wonder you can't get a job.

>>54932074
People who do masters in gender studies rode the diversity circuit into $300k/yr+ jobs running your HR departments and make-work government agencies. The joke isn't on them, it's on you, as now the global economy is crashing under the weight of their parasitism and incompetence.

>>54932446
i didnt say the joke is on them at all you nigger, infact by saying 'subsidized' (aka taxpayer) i know we're getting clowned by academia commies

>>54932438
I have seen posts about surveying in the UK and the shortage before on /biz/ you sneaky cunt.

>>54932184
good morning sir

>>54932032
yeah now i make $105k a year wfh

>>54932476
I might have mentioned the shortage once or twice in threads asked why I picked my degree or career but it’s not something I rabbit on about endlessly. Maybe you’re spending too much time on /biz/, maybe there are a few other surveyors here mentioning it, I don’t know.

https://www.ricsrecruit.com/article/how-to-take-advantage-of-the-job-market-as-a-quantity-surveyor

>>54932125
>jealous, White boys?
unironically yes

>>54932032
Got a BS/MS in computer science. Don't regret it.

>>54932376
googled quantity surveying. is that like the uk version of estimating in construction?
>>54932125
It is not right to brag in such a way, Daniel Jackson.

are finance degrees worth it? Going into school with an idea of minoring in data science or something

>>54932775
>googled quantity surveying. is that like the uk version of estimating in construction

Similar but a bit more interesting and varied in my opinion. I need to know how to estimate but I also deal with construction disputes, review compensation events (e.g. delays to construction/changes of scope/additional works), need to be aware of commercial and contract law, need deal with project from inception to completion rather than just at rendering stage. I work closely with the construction project manager to achieve this.

The problem is with meme degrees
If you get an unmarketable degree then you're not getting a decent job with it, it baffles me how people keep doing it

>>54932446
life is suffering

>>54932032
Retards see all college degrees as a meme, when reality its just liberal arts that are memes. Get into STEM or Law, I'm currently studying Electromechanical Technology and I can easily make 70k right out of college and be well in the six figure range with 5 years of experience.

>>54932897
>I can easily make 70k right out of college
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>54932846
sounds like part of what i do. i hate construction

>>54932964
Really? Sorry to hear that. I love it, but then ten years working in a call centre will make anything seem like a massive improvement.

>>54932897
70k out of college is poverty tier. Imagine studying unfunny stem for that shit. A realtor can make 80k out of vocational training

>>54932913
If only you knew how GOOD things really are :)

>>54933011
I'm talking about fresh graduate only internship exoerience level. The pay drastically increases with each year you work.

>>54933021
Do you have even the slightest idea how many of these straight up do not exist? Do you comprehend how many of these are purely for appearances and if there is a new hire they are already preselected via the nepotism process? There is fucking nothing real on indeed except working in warehouses and food service.

>>54933047
70k is the new 40k back in 2016.
I can't believe you'd be satisfied with this.
Maybe as a non american but not as an American

>>54932032
Shoutout to all the midwits itt who think they're gonna beat the system by being a heckin based tradesman.

>>54933062
why would these "appearances" be beneficial, and to whom?

>>54933131
They probably unclogged 3 toilets by the afternoon

>>54933094
Living where I live I'd genocide entire nations for $70k per year

>>54933062
Okay then how do people get jobs in the first place? That is literally the purpose of indeed plus you can check the company reviews of actual employees who worked at the company and same position that I am looking to get hired for. Do you think they would really create a fake review of a fake employee despite urgently hiring?

>>54932094
Only if you're an absolute brainlet

>>54932108
It's not the math degree that's the problem bro

>>54933094
Buddy I live in Canada we have free health care plus a lot of government covered services. I don't live in Cali where it costs 69k for a hip replacement.

>>54933139
>>54933145
Large companies get benefits from the government for presenting entry level positions that give off the appearance there is an entry point to climbing the ladder. In reality it is all a scam including the reviews which shouldn't be surprising at this point considering how many years it has been going on.

>>54933011
The minimum wage is 7-9 dollars in lots of US states retard.
True poverty is making 13-15K a year.

>>54932094
This
The "college is a meme" meme started in my early 20s so instead of going to college I wageslaved in fucking factories that made me spend 8-10 hours a day daydreaming about shoving my head into a machine to end it quickly. All of my coworkers were down on their luck normalfags that I had nothing in common with forced to slave so they could pay their child support or whatever. As if that wasn't bad enough I was paid a pittance.

Eventually I got a 2 year engineering degree and now I can get a nice air conditioned sit down job making decent money and get a little more respect as well. The government even paid for it.

>>54933142
They're all going to claim to make $115/hr, when they really make $15/hr

>>54932032
>Pyramid scheme
That's not a pyramid scheme because he could just get some other career that generally requires a college degree without caring about the major. Her friend and his students are just retarded is all.

>>54932094
Big true. I only have an undergrad in computer science and make nearly as much as my wife that's got an MBA working at one of the biggest consulting firms in the country. College is only a meme if you study a meme field.

>>54932184
Maybe very very ironically you faggot, or if you're in silicon valley. Still great salaries

>room-temperature brainlet but is good at talking, /fit/, can act and bullshit my way in meetings
>heard about the Automation Revolution and feel like its gonna Shoah all the HR stacies/chads and worthless meme jobs like social media manager
>looked for AI-proof jobs like tradies, truck driving and grunt works since I'm too stupid for a career in Medicine or Finance
>be too much of a moralfag to jump on the Academic grift and scam starry-eyed students
>kept being told that I'm wasting my potentials by everyone around me
Am I cucking myself?

>>54933139
Investors, shareholders, whatever other bagholders they can attract. Remember last crypto dump, when every shitcoin that would collapse within a week or two was "hiring in the bear market" to attract some exit liquidity?

>>54932980
I essentially do everything required to operate a construction company that does over $5m/yr. It takes forever to get paid, and retention (profit) takes months to be disbursed. cash flow is a major pain to deal with, especially when you're a controller.

>>54933175
You know that you can also apply for a job at the company directly through their website? I think you just had some bad exoeriences on indeed. The truth about job searching is you gotta be persistent, even if you have to be tough with HR, they have to give you the job or atleast the interview for the job.

>>54932298
If he's using AI to do the assignments he's going to reach a point in his actual career where he won't get far. Real programming isn't leet code. Writing algorithms is such a small part of it.

>>54933282
Ah. I’m client side for a utility company that spends £1billion on infrastructure each year. It’s pretty cushy.

>>54932094
There's a bigger meme where u dont go to college and also get no skills in any way, just waiting for a job to fall out of nowhere while u jerk off to cartoons all day.

>>54932184
IBM is replacing those positions with AI
There’s no future in coding

>>54933159
Stop having so much gay sex with your dog and you won't need to replace your hip.

>>54933357
Stop jerking each other off faggot.

>>54932032
two of my friends got worthless majors, one in medieval farming history, and they expected some company would just hire them on a salary to run their business because they were brainwashed by the school counselor into giving the university system thousands of dollars in exchange for nothing. sad!

>>54932163
Econ degrees are shit, but normies think it's impressive for some reason. Finance degrees are much better.
t. got an econ degree but now work in IT

The biggest idiots of anybody are the ones who go for totally unmarketable degrees while racking up a lot of money in debt. The hierarchy of based&redpilled paths are:

1. Go to the best school for the least money possible for a highly lucrative major (e.g. CS or dentistry)
2. Go into a lucrative trade
3. Get a mediocre degree, but spend almost nothing at a state or lower level school that will give you almost everything in grants/scholarships
4. Do nothing whatsoever, just work your way up from your first job after HS, eventually work experience will get you where you need to go
....
...
90001. Rack up tons of debt overpaying at a "top" school for a meme ass degree that returns absolutely nothing and saddles you with huge lifetime payments

>>54932094
BS in CJ. Can't get a job anywhere unless it's overnight security w/ min wage. $15k debt. I've been turned down from jobs because I have a degree and they want people w/o degrees because they can pay them less.

>>54933380
>Somebody with zero understanding of programming thinks AI is writing code any time soon
Models are still confidently wrong about a lot of shit and are only really good at creating boiler plate solutions or answering the kinds of questions you'd find on stack overflow. They are years away from creating a complete end to end solution. Even further if you want a non technical PM to be able to create that solution. By that point most of the current engineers will have retired. And even when it's good enough to do that you'll just need more engineers because the bar for entry to create a software company will be that much lower.

>>54932032
I fell for the white square meme and didn't invest in no$thing when i should've

>>54933427
Kek. I remember being told at school that as long as you go to a good university, it doesn’t matter what degree you take. So I picked English Literature at a top ten university then later switched to Politics. Then the credit crunch hit in 2008. My friend and I went to a careers fair at university and we were more or less laughed out the building. That’s how I ended up in a call centre for ten years. Thank fuck I dropped out on medical grounds rather than graduating or I wouldn’t have been eligible for funding for quantity surveying and would still be in a call centre.

>>54933470
>Onions grin on a onions latte please

>>54932032
>Egyptologist
He thought he finnae be Indiana Jones or some shit, lmao. Do people really?

>>54933470
Also the midwits that think they're too good for a state school while and go to a non-ivy private school to get a meme degree and then complain about $100k debt or whatever.

>>54933305
I know he'll hit a wall going the way he does. He has only started the programming courses in the last year, so he spent 3 years talking it up and not doing anything related to it. I told him years ago he should work on some little projects and build a portfolio for himself.
He isn't stupid enough to not recognize this problem, but he puts the suggestions of strangers ahead of his friends because he thinks pleasing them will bring him somewhere. I question my friendship with him whenever he does this shit.
Thanks for reading my blog anon

>>54933789
You're both right in a sense. He needs to actually focus on the degree otherwise he's going to hit a wall and get replaced by pajeet. But he also should network with people in his degree because 90% of hires are just nepotistic. If he can manage a C average on his own merit while making friends in the field they'll get him a job at a decent company (assuming they're actually competent).

>>54933834
I tend to view things in a very cynical matter, so my opinion of this whole thing is harsh. I just hope he's self aware and makes things right for himself

>>54933380
Nobody that has written more than a hundred lines of code in the past decade actually thinks this.

>>54932032
>>54932094
>>54932351
>>54933191
I'm 21 and I have been working from home for 2 years now. Spent the first year after high school doing meme Google certs and doing freelancing shit like copywriting. Made a CV out of that and it landed me a wfh customer service job. Dealing with retarded customers in a huge corpo was ass so I got myself fired for the severance and got another job. I'm working in logistics, in a smaller company, doing maybe 2-5 hours of actual work depending on the day. Nobody is micromanaging me. They want to promote me by the end of the year.
You have to be completely retarded to be working at a fucking factory or doing any other back-breaking physical labor dealing with morons all day. I'm also living with my parents and I'm putting like 70% of every paycheck into BTC.
I hope this blogpost can inspire (you) to get a better job.

>>54933211
It's a pyramid scheme because it's egyptology, retard.

>>54932108
If you have a math degree and couldn't get into finance/consulting, you are in fact the problem.

Just do a PhD and become a Quant. Ez path to 500k/year in 5 years.

Yea, paid 40k for 4 years and now make 132k/yr four years after gragitating

>>54932094
>People with the degree say it's a meme because they don't even see the door, just an entrance.
SPBP

>>54932163
Same
Econ is the comfiest BA you can get. No cut classes, interesting material, don't have to take classes in the circle jerk that is the math department, and you make as much as non-cs stemchuds while doing 10% of the work with no accountability because "the future/economy is unpredictable"

>>54932032
Nah, I fell for the "you'll figure out what you want to do during college" meme
Wasted 2 years on a meme degree and now Im experiencing bad burn outs so I don't want to continue college anymore to get the degree I actually wanted.

tl:dr Don't go to college until you know what you want to do.

>>54934115
It's nocode cope. They're seething at the wfh software eng six figure life and the only way they can cope is the fantasy that AI will replace those jobs.

>>54934302
>you make as much as non-cs stemchuds
lol wut. what econ related jobs can you list that pay decently? especially when you only have a ba.

I make 30 an hour as an engineering technician with a bachelor's in IE. Not ideal, but getting a foot in the door with okay money while living at home has been nice. The experience will give me more job security in the future too.

>23 years old

>>54933062
Generic automation jobs are rare, yes, but if you have technical expertise in an applicable field to go along with it then there are more jobs than you can shake a stick at.
I've spent the past 8 years hopping from company to company automating wet chemistry techniques until there's nothing left to method develop, then moving elsewhere. It's very good money.

>>54934495
congrats anon, its a good start. Keep that momentum

>>54934391
I don't know why everyone stresses about the BA/bs, just get out with the easiest degree in the program and do an grad program. switching degrees would lose you the same amount of time as just doing the masters.

>>54934302
based

>>54934479
I'm an "economist" for the glowies (an analyst but for big numbers)

Started at $60k in the big shitty which was a bit rough, but after 4 years I'm sitting at $120k from home (plus bennies) meanwhile my chem/math former roommates are still unemployed lmao

>>54935160
I figured the only option was some BS entry level government job. But glad you were able to make it. I still think in general an economics BA doesn't give you a good skillset compared to other majors that can get you in similar fields. I'd wager a very high percentage of people with econ degrees end up working in a non-econ related job.

>>54932032
>CS degree
>I make $300k a year to shitpost online and take 2 hour lunch break

yeah I'm thinking I fell for it, why didn't you?

>>54935285
>I'd wager a very high percentage of people with econ degrees end up working in a non-econ related job.

The same applies to basically any stem bachelors that isn't engineering (biology, chem, math, physics, etc.) while being significantly harder, which wouldn't be a big deal if employers didn't filter fresh grad's applications by GPA but they definitely do.

The nice thing about business-adjacent degrees is that they are usable without "needing" to get a masters/doctorate, but the salaries still scale if you wanted to continue your education. Econ phds make bank in the private sector and you could always pivot to an MBA if you wanted to suck management cock for the big bucks.

>>54934184
>just do a phd
shut the fuck up retard
>>54932108
you need a real degree. i also fell for the math meme. i did a masters in accounting now i make a tolerable wage >>54932511

I did a computer science degree at the shittiest former polytechnic university (UK) and now I make very good money as a software engineer. I used to work full time in a supermarket when I was 18. University is pretty cool desu and I enjoyed it

>>54933380
IBM is doing that as a marketing ploy to pump their bags. it's a dying company

>>54934184
isnt finance no sperg zone?

>>54932094
Let these kids know. I don't particularly like my job. I am an attorney and I wear a suit and tie. I have people pressing me in the firm about case numbers and billble hours. However, I am in in an air conditioned building and somewhat respected locally and even appear sometimes on television.

While my dress shoes hurt and the judges are mostly jackasses, I am not too down on my luck at all. I am grateful for the struggle being significantly less than those who don't have a degree. My heart goes out to them. I feel especially troubled when I see more young men falling for the meme and being out educated by their women peers.

This meme has caused an asymmetrical balance of power between men and women in the modern era and it's concerning.

No

>>54932138

My sister did a degree in comp sci and has a very good salary in the UK civil service

>>54932376

I graduate with MEng in civil engineering next month (last exam was this monday, booyaa!), trying to decide between becoming a QS or working as engineer for oil and gas company (civil engineer for construction/consultancy on land has such shit pay, no point in having degree)

>>54935589
>The nice thing about business-adjacent degrees is that they are usable without "needing" to get a masters/doctorate
True. At the end of the day it's a very generalist program and for people like me who had no idea what they wanted to do but already wasted 2 years doing generals it's a good "fuck it i'll just pick something" option.

>>54933474

If you are applying for jobs that do not need a degree and get rejected for having one, then why the fuck don't you just tailor your CV to those ones and omit it?.

My parents gave me clinical depression and personality disorders with upbringing me so I dropped out

Why should I stress about classes and jobs for years or decades just to pay fancy rent and a Tesla and the money is gone again too

can make much more just selling their house
Don’t need money until then because having no quality of life is very cheap

Yes. Biggest waste of time and money I'll ever do. You pay money to put off adulthood for 4 years.

>>54935753
I love QS but it’s not for everyone. Another avenue to consider would be construction project manager - most the PMs I work with have degrees in engineering and the pay is similar to QS.

>>54933062
>There is fucking nothing real on indeed
I just landed my first office job coming from shitty retail jobs using indeed. All I had to do was build my resume around the job listing and make anything I did in retail sound transferrable to the position. Plus I'm a very good looking male and the company is mostly women so posting my linkedin on my resume helped a ton and everyone loved me at the multiple interviews I went to.
>70k is the new 40k
No it isn't. Not everyone in America lives in high cost of living shitholes. I could live on my own very comfortably making $50k/year and by comfortably I mean all of my bills covered with $1k-$2k leftover every month for investments and spending money.

>>54932032
No, I fell for the Layer 0 and POND meme

>>54936352
You were robbed by literal sandniggers KEKEKEKEK

>>54935992
So, how do you plan on acquiring knowledge?

>>54936352
You got fucked by an obvious vaporwave anon

>>54936352
You completely disgust me

>>54935991
Kind of joking but can anyone refute this

i make 75 an hour in a completely unrelated field from my meme degree (english)
i hate the job though

>>54932032
My degree cost 12 grand and my first internship paid 24 grand so I fell for the meme but it was a decent +50%

>>54932184
300k pesos maybe

there are useful degrees and there are nothing nigger degrees, go get a useful one with meaningful employment and do something with it

>>54933241
>AI-proof jobs like
>truck driving
oh lordy, should we tell him?

>>54932094
There's a few criteria you have to meet in order to get a good paying job with a degree
>Black
>Jewish
>LGBT
>Race baiters
>Indian
>White woman

If you're a white male and normal, it's unironically ogre. You're not made for this system, they are.

Only faggot boomers disagree and good for them, those slaves should work hard and keep pay their masters double

>>54933470
Is an ivy worth it? Im getting 50% off of tuition but it's still 100k down the road for a CS major...

>>54932094
This. A degree instantly bumps you above the turbo-wagie jobs like retail. Even people with years of experience frequently go back and do their degree part-time because it's still valued by employers late in their career. "Don't go to college" is the male-equivalent of women telling each other to wait until they're in their 30's to get married. Basically the only people worth make exceptions for are those going into trades and entrepreneurs.

>>54936673
The only scenario where AI truck drivers exist are the ones where they are for some reason allowed to have a fucking .50 cal mounted on their trucks
>put something big on road
>truck stops and you can loot it for free

>>54933474
Something is up with you as far as medical, psychological, or background. Law enforcement at every level in every state is desperate for qualified applicants.

>>54933180
In a lot of states, making that much money would barely even afford you food for a year, which you have to keep in mind, is already skewed in price by not having any space or equipment to cook for yourself.
https://www.zippia.com/advice/average-cost-of-groceries-by-state/

>>54936386
You have caught the contemporary mind virus where you see your weakness as virtue. You try to cover this up with a mask of logic. Even though your inability was always more about a lack of courage than any considered rationale.

>>54934412
>t. 6 fig wfh SWE
it feels good boys, 1 month salary and I'm safe for 6 months of mortgage (bought house at mortgage bottom <2%)

>>54932108
Literally how? Maths is extremely sought after.

>>54932125
Daniel-chads, we can't stop winning

>>54932094
lol just lie and pay for a fake. You think college educated kids are smart? They are fucking retards and nobody erven remembers what they learned in college. Everything is bullshit, gotta play the game right back

>>54932032
Awesome subject to study, but unfortunately not a high demand area for jobs.
Most universities degrees are pyramid schemes and brainwashing and whore creating breeding grounds these days

>>54933470
>Do nothing whatsoever, just work your way up from your first job after HS, eventually work experience will get you where you need to go
I don't think that's how it works

>>54932108
Have you tried not being a useless retard?

>>54937655
It can work but you need to be willing to start as an apprentice and continue your education. I know people who started at my company aged 16 and have been paid through university, but I’m fortunate to have a good employer that values loyalty.

>>54932032
>gets goyslop degree
>stuck with a goyslop life
Engineering degree haver here, works on my machine

>>54937264
My state, MA, is the highest paid and the most competitive for law enforcement. If you don't know someone, you can't get in. I tried for years and I gave up.

>>54935855
I've applied to all sorts of jobs. Everything you can think of I swear to fuck. This state is beyond fucked.

>>54938777
I worked a maintenance job for awhile but lost it when I refused to get the clot shot. Fucked up world we live in.

>>54932094
The only thing that matters is personality, connections and a bit of luck.

>>54933380
>IBM

>>54932032
>>54932094

literally the only reason ive gotten my jobs is my degree, its just not handed on a silver platter like most assume

>>54932138
>computer science and things like that
you named one of the very few degrees actually worth getting, impressively wrong post

>>54936791
If you want to work on Wall Street or consulting? Yeah probably, the curriculum "superiority" is in my opinion a meme but you will need the connections and frankly an ivy league or high-tier private/state degree is prettymuch the table stakes.
If you want to lrn2code and work in Silicon Valley? No, go to an engineering-focused school, there you will learn technical skills instead of being ""well rounded"" (i.e. how to sound sophisticated).
>t. knows people who went both routes

>>54932256
You definitely don’t have your CPA, and if you don’t have your CPA you’re doing this wrong

>>54932032
yeah I don't want my bridges built by self-taught engineers.

>>54932032
Guys I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger on escaping poverty with trade degrees/certs.
The options I'm looking at are automotive repair/technology, computer/information technology, electrical technology, engineering technology or a "fast track" program that gets you quick certs for stuff like forklift operating or welding.

Anybody with experience in these areas care to shed some light?

Any electricians care to tell me about the difference between residential, commercial, industrial and construction?

>>54934666
That's good advice, Satan. That's exactly what I did. I got a bachelors in emergency management because I liked natural disasters and figured with all the shootings and pandemic, EMA would be a growing field. Realized there were 0 entry level jobs and I'm in grad school right now.

I graduated in 2015 when tuition cost $9000 per year, rent was $250 a month, and scholarships gave me $13k per year

the same school now costs $13k per year, rent is $350, and scholarships give $6k per year

college was quite literally half the meme a decade ago than it is today

It kind of is a meme but I am going part time, Fairly early in my career so doesn’t seem to make a huge difference since I have decent certs that seem to offset things a little bit but I do feel a little discriminated against.

>>54939679
Is it better to focus on a degree or mainly focus on getting a variety of certs?

>>54939400
I did automotive/welding for a while and it was terrible. The others I don't know but I would bet are much better.

>>54939748
I was wanting to do the electrician track but apparently that takes longer than the fast track certs and requires other bullshit electives but you get AAS with it.
What was it about those jobs that you hated?

>>54932032
>BA in Psychology
>$30k in debt
>Make $33/hr, no benefits
Its all kinda meh, but my job is piss easy hybrid work and Im pretty sure I'm one the highest paid in the county for my academic and work experience for this field. Theres a fuck ton of jobs for BA in Psychology working in group/foster homes or with autists, however they all get paid around $22/hr so fuck that. I remember my Intro to Psych textbook freshman year unironically said you need a Master's degree or higher to be anything worth a damn. Thank fuck I act like an asocial schizoid irl and that has made me enough friends to make nepotism work to my advantage. I couldnt imagine having to actually find these positions on my own merit.

Parents forced me to go to college and I ended up wasting 4.5 years on a meme degree while becoming woefully addicted to alcohol. It was obviously more important to my parents that I "just get a degree". I had a 2.0gpa in highschool, I never wanted to go to college, I hated school. I went to community college and transferred to a big state school because it was a free ticket to get the fuck out of my hometown.

Last I checked, my physical college degree is literally hidden away in my parent's bedroom like some kind of fucked up trophy. It makes me incredibly sad, I earned that degree but I never wanted it. My alcoholism got so bad during college, being burnt out, that I ended up in jail and without a drivers license. My parents pretend that didn't happen, which makes me resent them even more.

I have a bs in history and half the time, I don't even include it on my resume because I feel so embarrassed. That, and people are very weird about history, they think they know everything already and I just dont fucking care anymore.

My last job was driving a forklift and doing inventory at Amazon for 16.8 an hr

>>54939859
Fuck, a delivery driver at Amazon makes more than 22 an hour and that was in my shit poor southern town

>>54939766
Not him but have families in the trades. Welders don't make good money unless you travel to big commercial sites and can pipefit. It will destroy you physically lifting heavy shit for 7/12s on an oilfield and automotive repair requires investments in tools and ROI compared to the training just isn't there. If you want to put the time in get a degree.

>>54939400
Your employer should train you, and pay you for it.


I remember when I became a chef and basically, was taught on the job. Everyone I worked with had a college degree in culinary arts. I made the same amount of money as them. Of course, I had experience cooking and prepping from previous jobs

>>54933357
I fell for that meme. It's enjoyable having master morality.

>>54939895
Yeah I live in Norcal(not in SF thank fuck) and $22/hr around here at full time is enough to just have a bit extra after living pay check to paycheck, and then most of the time you wont save it anyways. Hell, working at In N Out flipping burgers is $20/hr so that already says a lot.

>>54932032
College is a meme only if you studied in a meme field. I'm doing well today thanks to going to college, and now I'm saving up funds in stables which I'm staking on SpoolFi for my daughter's college tuition some years from now because I know how important it is

it amazes me how many morons i know from my hometown who went off, got fancy degrees, masters etc... and now they're back home working for keller williams. while they're working on going back to law school, of course.

>>54940239
I'm also staking on that platform, but it's not for college, and btw you are a good Father.

>>54932125
Too bad he is a cunt irl

>>54932125
um... BASED?

>>54932032
>>54932351
Unironically though, it's an insidious and mean-spirited meme. People here genuinely find actual joy in knowing other people were led to absolute and total failure. If you look up the careers with the most projected and current jobs and pursue that, you will be fine unironically. My cousin was working retail until 34 and got a shitty cs degree from a no-name college and landed a data analyst role making 85k/year WFH. He now works as a SWE at 37 and makes well over six figs. Don't fall for the meme, you'll realize it comes from the most bitter and trashy people alive.

>>54933380
IBM is a fucking joke and all competent SWEs eventually leave, even if they move up to Staff SWE positions. IBM is a fucking dead company which used to be incredible. They're actually raping HR positions and they are desperately holding onto most of their SWEs.

>>54939400
>>54939689
>>54939918
If you are looking into welding then you should try to get into aerospace welding. About to make $40/hr welding turbine engine parts. Don't have to travel at all and big aerospace and defense companies pay well with good benefits. Also aerospace welding is not backbreaking at all I literally sit at a desk in a comfy chair and weld smallish parts while listening to music or audiobooks. The thing about welding is that you have to actually be good at it to make money. You need to practice a lot and have some natural skill in hand eye coordination. The barrier to entry into decent paying welding jobs is a skills test. If you fail then they tell you to fuck off. Another benefit is working second shift. They usually pay 10-15% extra, I can spend the morning enjoying the day, and I can sleep in as late as I want. Don't do 3rd shift though because you'll never see the sun. Do not go into pipe welding or iron working or some other back breaking welding job that shit sucks and you'll be crippled by the time you're 35. The only reason pipe welders make good money is because they travel around working 7 12+ hour days for weeks at a time doing plant shutdowns. The lifestyle is total ass.

>>54940863
How about long term health problems? I've always had an interest in welding, but it seemed damaging to the body, especially inhaling metal fumes.

>>54940878
Yes that's definitely a concern especially with exotic alloys in aerospace. You can take precautions but generally you don't want to weld for your whole career. Better to get into a supervisor or inspector role. I'm aiming to get a Certified Welding Inspector CWI certification to get out of welding while still young. As long as you don't do it for 20+ years the health stuff isn't too concerning. Idk why you'd stay a welder that long and not leverage your experience to get into a better role.

>>54940958
Well, management is a different skill. I could do it in other industries with less certs and hustles.

>>54933293
>The truth about job searching is you gotta be persistent, even if you have to be tough with HR, they have to give you the job or atleast the interview for the job
That's right, just get your foot in the door

>>54932094
college is one big midwit curve. midwits benefit the most out of it while outliers (on both sides) are worse off.
>t. midwit

folks who have the bones for it get farther skipping college and """hustling""" imho

>>54932032
JUST start a egyptology youtube channel. There's no good one out there, just a few schizo alien ones. The niche is completely empty and people love Egypt almost as much as Rome, which is an extremely saturated market.

>>54932032
I studied programming and still have no job, I think I failed in the game of life because the only thing that gives me comfort is literally my PLEB bags

>tfw too unintelligent for college

>>54932125
I'm unironically jealous of his jacket
What is that

>>54939134
I don't live in the states and I have no interest whatsoever of doing taxes
I want to do things like quant analyses and risk modeling

>>54941168
I like "Ancient Egypt and the Bible". A lot of Christian content will show up but his videos on Egypt itself are secular and well-reasoned.

>>54936791
I did CS at an Ivy where I got like 60% off tuition for financial aid, was absolutely worth it. So many more opportunities at high end companies than if you “save” at state school. My internships alone ended up paying for most of my degree and ended up graduating with under $10K in debt. You definitely need to network and hustle when you’re there tho, the opportunities come from who you know not the piece of paper. Join a frat.

>>54935753
>>54936014
Civilchads report in. Just interviewed for a graduate geotechnical job. What am I in for if I get it?

A college degree is only 4 years and ensures you’ll always have the basics in life. It’s not the only way to ensure the basics, but finishing any degree is generally better than not. It doesn’t have to cost $300k.

A degree in applied science and technology is literally a no-brainer. There are so many business and non-wagie opportunities after getting started in tech. Personally I made money in crypto then went to finish a degree in InfoSec/CS with mandatory internship. Now I have money, skills, and connections in the security industry. Before I just was a crypto rich internet addict.

Honestly people without degrees tend to have chips on their shoulders, or you can tell they haven’t been exposed to many ideas.

Don’t knock formal training and breadth of knowledge…

>>54939766
Low pay and benefits, the redneck fucks you have to be around, dirty ass work, having to do stupid shit such as cleaning up after people (when I am there to do "skilled work"), having to wear uniforms, having to "look busy" on my feet all day, not giving me the same accommodations they give everyone else, and when an apprentice position opens up they just hire some random from outside the company instead of giving me the opportunity, etc. Many places will just string you along and waste your time, and mind you, I was someone with a good attitude who really tried to make it work, and now at this point, even if the places I worked at were particularly shitty, even if some good shop offered me an apprenticeship I'd refuse. I'm in uni now. Fuck that shit, seriously.

It took me 10 years and 3 schools to get my CS degree. Now I make 150k/yr WFH. Cs get degrees.

i got a full ride out of high school and got a BS in applied microeconomics, and now im in the US army preparing and studying to pass Actuarial exams. i have my post 9/11 GI bill also so i may as well get my masters degree or phd in either Actuarial science, statistics, or economics to increase my earning potential. id never go to college if i had to pay for it. that BAH plus GI bill plus PhD stipend plus 100% VA disability rating finna come in clutch lmao. highly recommend the military to folk. you can pick a very easy job like financial tech or some shit for four years and then there ya go, free college degree with applicable work experience. or maybe you end up liking the military life and get a sweet pension by 40.

>>54937382
it's not unless you went to a top tier undergrad or did a phd. "math degrees show you're smart and employers love to hire smart people!" is a meme parroted by 75 year old jewish math professors who last worked a real job when they interned in the summer of '73 for $1k/day at their uncle mortimer's hedge fund.

the reality is that an unremarkable bachelors in math is borderline unemployable, unless you have practical skills like programming, data wrangling (power bi/tableau/SQL), statistics with relevant software experience (R), etc.

>>54943762
I mean practical skills on top of a degree are a given, it's just that good unis and internships should teach you these
If you don't mind boredom, reading lots of documents, travelling to clients, trash pay and constant overtime you can try financial audit, they will happily take in a BA in math with Excel alone

>>54943762
Well, duh?
What kind of math head are you, if you can't code?!
Also why didn't you go to an actual uni? There are like 50+ good unis in the US. Did you do a qualifying internship?
You are the problem friend. Group theory is useless, numerical analysis and applied prob theory is ruling.
Make a masters with top marks at a good uni and learn to code ffs. Python obvs!

>>54934302
I’m almost done with my accounting associates, should/could I get my bachelors in economics or am I stuck in accounting?

>>54944235
Macroecon + econometrics/economath.
Top25 uni or gtfo

>>54932032
By the year 2250, we will all have a PhD in Egytology and the economy will grind to a halt.

>>54944254
You didn’t even answer my question. And I did most of my undergraduate work at a top 25 university about ten years ago, realized it was a scam and didn’t want to take out any more loans. I’ll have over 120 college hours by the time I finish my associates, but most universities only allow 90 hours of transfer. So when I finally get my bachelors I’ll have about 150 hours of college credit

>>54932125
daniell.... danielll... my daniell

>>54944325
I did. If you go econ, specialise in macro and do some courses in econometrics. Uni prestige matters in econ.
I strongly suggest a econ degree, if you want to go into finance, private banking, consulting or audit firms.
Even more so if you have tons of credits.

>>54944363
An econ*

>>54944363
Oh ok, thanks anon. I don’t have an academic advisor. I’ve just been ticking classes off the list. But I’ve been unsure if I want to do my bachelor’s in accounting as well or maybe finance or Econ. But I do already have to take some Econ classes so that may be the way to go

>>54943829
>financial audit
i did this. you need a degree in accounting and CPA eligibility. i met this requirement with a masters in accounting (and an undergrad in math.) i'm assuming you're from a euro country where they're much more lax on requirements.
>>54944174
>DUDE JUST GO TO A TOP 50 SCHOOL LMAO
do you know how much college costs in the US?

>>54944401
do accounting if you want a chance at actually getting a job. economics is a meme. finance is limiting. you won't be working a $500k/year starting "high finance" job, you'll likely be working wagie FP&A at a corporation. an accountant can do FP&A or accounting. someone with a finance degree can't do accounting.

t. senior accountant at a megacorp who works with a lot of FP&A retards

>>54944496
So if you were hiring would you be more impressed with someone with an associates in accounting and a bachelor’s in accounting? I understand that no one really cares about associates but I will get it in accounting just by virtue of taking the classes I have to take to get back on track for my bachelors

>>54932032
>college degree meme
>work 30 minutes 4 times a week
>make more money than tradies

>>54944526
>more impressed
it's not about being impressed, it's about having the knowledge to do the job. any serious accounting job will require a degree in accounting, or at least a decent number of accounting courses.

>>54944628
Well I’ve aced every accounting class I’ve taken, but that doesn’t really show up in an interview, my overall gpa isnt that impressive because my original undergrad degree was heavy with science and chemistry. If I ace the rest of my accounting classes, which is pretty much all I have left, I can maybe get it to 3.5

>>54944666
3.5 gpa is pretty good. and even if you don't ace all of your accounting classes, you can game it on your resume by listing the GPA of your accounting classes to keep your STEM shit from dragging down the average.

>>54944401
>I’ve just been ticking classes off the list
Way too many do that.

>>54944485
From what I've heard funding us never the problem, paying back is. Your god damn fault. If you make education a business. Reap what you saw.

>>54944496
Accounting is the first white collar job to fall. He already studied accounting and will soon have it's associate degree. No bachelor needed in accounting (topkek).
No one starts with 500k, esp not without friends.
Econ is more specialiced, sure. Hence me advising it.

He has no deludions: econ is the path to slavery. Well paid path, that is.
Another plus: if you actually listen in econ classes, you know what's happening economically/politically. Can give you an edge of a lifetime. Worked well for me.

>>54944526
Bachelor in accounting is pointless. Associate is fine. The difference between wages will be insignificant in 3y after uni anyway.

If you want a corpo career double qualification is a plus. Also corpo code s way more important for career than degree. Now how to make yourself visible aso.

>>54932199
take a shower

>>54944174
I went to a top 25 uni in the US but never did any internships cause I struggled a lot with my courses.

Just give it to me straight, is it over for me? Can I learn to love programming or something and find employment? I feel really lost in life after 1 year out of school.

>>54945065
So what would be a good bachelors to pair with an accounting associates?

>>54945344
I hear you. If your marks are good, you should be able to get a job fast.
Coding and applied math (modelling) is de facto a must.

>>54945371
Econ, business studies, economaths, maths, management and maybe something like information management. Personally I'd suggest econ or math. The latter might not be for everyone.

I got a degree in STEM and found a decent paying job. Kinda soulless though.

>>54932094
Yeah everything that pays good money in clown world is fake and gay. Of course you have to get the fake and gay education cert to participate.

>>54945065
you cant even get a CPA without 150 credits, what the fuck are you talking about. Bookkeepers are not accountants, theyve already been automated away anyways. Actual accounting is going to he incredibly difficult to automate, especially with moe standards being shoved through every year (GHG emissions reporting is the next big one)

>>54942000
actual accountants do this, but the people who do this are CPAs. I have never done taxes outside my own in my life.

>>54932298
>One of my buddies is still in school after 4 years for a bachelor's in CS.
Well, duh. Why would anyone get a degree in Counter Strike? Its probably not even a degree in CS1.6 either.

>>54932032
Every college degree I ever got resolved in a significant improvement in my quality of life, either through unlocking new doors or making me eligible for a higher paying job

>>54932094
Any idiot can get a college degree, which is why you look even dumber for not having one.

I am currently working on getting a diploma in english literature to become a professor