/biz/ - Business & Finance

The good news is that things should pick up in like 2026. It's going to be brutal and crushing until then, however.

>>54770427
you ask this because you make much more, have "achieved" much more but still continue to COPE. this nigga mogs you.

I'd even agree to work in some deadly coal mine and die in my late 40s if that meant that I could get a house and a family with kids as well like men did back in the day. But why the FUCK would I want to work now when I won't be able to have any of that?
No possibility of ever getting a house, no possibility of ever getting a wife let alone wife AND kids, hell nowadays you can barely even pay rent with most jobs and you have to live like a rat with 8 other people just so you all survive.

So why would I go spend 8 hours every day working for someone else and get nothing but scraps of scraps in return? Fuck that and fuck you

>>54770427
I can relate to this guy. Society says to "follow your passions" and you'll land a good paying job but I don't have any passions, I spend a lot of time researching multiple different topics and I can find a surface level interest in most things for a short while but I am never passionate about it enough to pursue it as a job. The only work I do and have ever done is retail stocking because it's mindless and easy but I only make $16 an hour doing this.

>>54770427
>costing through life
And for some reason, I always choose the hardest task I can find. I can't even help it.

>>54770538
If you look up the "mouse universe" experiments you'll understand exactly what's going on. This poster has the right sentiment.

Our civilization is built of roles, and we need people to fill those roles. There are work roles (farmer, cop, president, etc) and then there are social roles (best friend, husband, father, lover, etc). Our psychology rewards us with feelings of completion and fulfillment when we hold multiple desirable roles and identities. "I'm the homeowner, the good son, the hero."

What's happening is we have too many people and not enough roles. And not just job roles, also social roles. We don't need anymore boyfriends. We are maxed out on salesmen. We are at capacity on sons and daughters. I don't need anymore friends. There's a hero on every street.

As a consequence any work that you do towards achieving any of these roles is probably just busy work. There's no vacancy. If it feels like your work is meaningless that is because it is.

>>54770754
What's happening is that nobody wants to fill the cop role anymore.

>>54770833
That's part of it. When enough people decide "I don't wanna do Role Y" that role and the space it occupies becomes deleted. The world gets smaller.

>>54770427
Fucking where? I've been looking into apprenticeships and they all start around $15-17. Id love to get into a skilled trade or union work but i have a mortgage and cant afford to make that little. Currently making $22 an hour doing sewer work hoping to get a factory job i applied for making $25 running a cutter machine.

>>54770557
Can also relate, being unmotivated from fearmongering online and tired from work makes it hard to pursue interests. Dopamine receptors are fried and anything that doesn't take less than 2 seconds gets pushed back

>>54771238
If you're a good employee you have access to credit and subsidized business loans which might mean you can start your own business. If you're a boring fag that business might be making pools or landscaping, pest control and possibly hiring brown people.

>>54770754
Come on man this shit experiment is refuted every goddamn time it's brought up. Mice are not people. Mouse behavioral sink is a meme. Calhoun, the faggot, at least could recognize that while he could draw (incorrect) conclusions on mice, and he could speak for mice, he absolutely could not speak for men.

>>54771278
Not a horrible idea, it'll be about finding the right business and playing my cards. I'll keep it in the back of my mind

>>54770754
>>54771319
Also everyone always brings up the depressing mouse universe experiment but nobody ever brings up the based rat city experiment that cured them of drug addiction.

When I got pipped at my tech job I briefly entertained the trade meme before finding another higher paying tech job and all the apprenticeships started at around $15/hr.

Look at the USBLS. Electricians and plumbers make like $50-$60k median. Why would anyone want to work a physically demanding job when any IT office job is going to pay similarly? Then Reddit will say that you’re supposed to start your own business in the trades to make the real money but that’s true of any industry. Like why isn’t every IT worker starting their own MSP if it was that easy.

There might be some situations where trades make sense but if you’ve already taken the cubicle pill idk if trades are the answer.

>>54771352

qrd on based rat experiment?

Familiar with mouse distopia. Never heard of based rat.

>>54770427
>You can make more as an electrician apprentice.
Apprentice to who?

>>54771522
>Like why isn’t every IT worker starting their own MSP if it was that easy.
Not every person needs a random local IT worker.
Every single person lives in a home and that home needs to be constructed/maintained.
There are so few workers that do it, and so many fuck ups, that as long as you're good and run a tight ship you will have an overwhelming amount of customers that are all eager to pay you thousands of dollars.
Starting your own business as a tradesman is very straight forward because of that, while starting your own tech business is much more difficult because you have much fewer customers, and you're competing globally and with big tech giants for them.

>>54770557
>>54771238
What they don't tell you is that passion isn't just emergent in an individuals, it's from a feedback loop that an individual has with a community. Passion flourishes in the exchange of ideas and mutual growth; 99% of the time, it dies when you're just left to your own devices. You'll have that random dude who becomes an expert chainsaw sculptor innawoods every once and a while, but every artist, every scientist, every engineer of note was part of some academy or guild or informal movement where they were constantly producing work and getting timely, meaningful feedback. Doesn't even need to be supportive feedback; could be people constantly taking the piss out of you and you being driven to prove them wrong. But if you get absolutely nothing from your peers, just consistent apathy, passion dies on the vine. Your brain can only summon up the will, for so long, to attribute meaning to something everyone around you considers meaningless. Eventually the lack of stimulus forces you to attend to something that actually gets you attention.

My teen and college years were total shit. I failed and failed and failed, until I finally just barely got my degree and things started to look up when I got a good job. When that failed and ended in disaster, my girlfriend left me, I couldn’t find a better job so had to go home to my shitty suburban and later college town, I basically just gave up. I stopped caring.


The truth is that you were supposed to figure out what you wanted to do with your life when you were young, like ideally early 20s, maybe late 20s. Your parents were supposed to teach you this, your teachers were supposed to teach you this. Instead, you were shipped off to pursue a degree you never wanted and slog away to fulfill the ambitions of middle class parents and teachers that probably never really cared about you in the first place. Whatever free time you had that could’ve been used to investigate passions be that literature, art, athletics, whatever was wasted on video games and pornography. I know that I only have my self to blame for my failures and my wrong decisions and my lack of commitment or bravery, but I also sometimes feel like I just got fucked over and grew up in a shitty world where everything was rigged against me. I’m an accountable person and so I can only imagine how other people feel.

You couldn’t even say “fuck it” throw caution to the wind and live in poverty or move from pace to place like a vagabond now because rent is so goddamn expensive and no one will even rent to you if you don’t meet income and credit requirements. If you dip too low, you’re stuck in a place that looks like that Kensington, Philadelphia webm, a place where you’re more likely to get addicted to heroin or get shot than make any progress on your dreams.

And then you turn 27, you’re just finally getting a direction, you decide you want to pursue this job or that job or enroll in this school or that school or take this risk or that risk and the lawyers and teachers that run the world come and shut everything down for 1-3 years over a flu, totally crushing your plans, crushing your ambitions, leaving you at, let’s say, 30, having made no progress. If you can’t win, why would anyone give a shit about the game?

>>54770427
I work from home and make $250,000 a year and honestly see myself leaving this job because there are better options and it feels good to think about

... Life is easy if you choose to live it that way...

>>54771797
>>54771864
Society is fake and gay anyway really. Passions and jobs are all lame. I wish I could just get by doing the bare minimum but even that door is closing.

>>54771797
>The truth is that you were supposed to figure out what you wanted to do with your life when you were young
I figured out I wanted to do shit with computers when I was in middle school, and I've been teaching myself how to 3d model and program and everything since I was 12. Worked my ass off 2-4 hours every night in high school to get good grades so I could get into university and even when I made it I still nearly failed statistics and discrete math and data structures despite my best efforts because my IQ is too low. Still landed a job but after working 8 years still can't crack 6 figures, and it's no longer something I enjoy.

Point is, even if you knew 100% what you wanted to do, and 100% gave it your all, it's not going to be some guarantee of huge success. If you did do something you were passionate about that passion will inevitably be killed after you work 40 hours a week doing it constantly for years.
And it's just a massive cope to pass off responsibility to your parents/teachers as if they're somehow going to teach you what you want to do with your life. When you were a kid or even in high school, did you think it was going to be like that forever? Did you not think "hmm, what am I going to do with my life after school when I grow up?", did seriously no one ever ask you what you were going to do afterwards? That was literally the only thing that you needed to decide on.

>>54771553
QRD: the studies on the addictive effects of various drugs where done on rats or mice in isolated cages with no entertainment for the rats
they did however have a button that releases whatever drug, researchers found that rats give up on all other activities even eating and only press button, consume drugs
so they look you up in isolation cell concrete square with infinite drug supply, what you do

eventually someone figured out this was an experimental disaster and came up with a new setup, herein they build a living place perfected for the rats wellbeing with nesting, toys and most importantly other rats and of course also the give drugs button
in this experiment most rats use the drugs recreationally as an added activity in their routines but continue to function like normal rats in their large living space, so again perfect analogy to human interactions

of course you cant compare the two experiments as the rats in this experiment where never allowed to breed to overpopulation and see the effects as in the calhoun experiment

>>54772109
It’s not about success. It’s especially not about early success. You failed to gather that from my post and that’s what you still don’t understand.

As for your questions, they’re a little ridiculous. Does the typical 13 year old expect that he will dislike his work as a data analyst when he is 27? Obviously, he doesn’t. Even if he did and assumed he would hate it, which none do because they assume that things will just click and work out either because they have to or because they were told they would, that’s not say they have any alternate direction. We grew up in a world where school and work were increasingly female oriented, where art was about being as ridiculous as possible, where literature was mostly about liberal-progressive moralizing, where military adventurism meant piloting a drone from a laptop with a bachelor’s degree, and now if you’re a zoomer, diversity and furry briefings and the only real thing a boy could do is just tolerate it at all and hope he starts to not hate it when he starts making real money at 30. The money never even came, there were no jobs, the colleges wanted to keep you enrolled forever and paying debt forever. You had no real opportunities to find interests because you were distracted with games. So if your question really is “Didn’t you realize what you wanted to do with your life when you were 14?” The answer is no.

>>54772109
And to be clear, I’m not blaming parents or teachers. I know that responsibility for my life rests squarely on my shoulders. But I would be lying to say that I never felt abandoned, up against it, misled, or generally like I was a flower trying to bloom in poor and untended soil.

>>54772339
If your entire point was the society/environment you grew up in was shit then yeah, who can argue with that.
Just quit being a faggot and saying shit like
>The truth is that you were supposed to figure out what you wanted to do with your life when you were young, like ideally early 20s, maybe late 20s. Your parents were supposed to teach you this, your teachers were supposed to teach you this
As if anything they could have done or said that was going to "teach you" what you wanted to do with your life.

Your best bet is to toughen up as much as possible, because tough men will be in demand soon

>>54772455
Yeah for ZOG wars, kek.

>>54770427
Why would you do more than the minimum amount of soulless grind?

>>54772405
This is exactly the mentality that failed everyone. “As if anything would’ve helped…” “As if you would’ve cared if I showed you this…” “As if you would’ve listened if I have advice…” “As if you would’ve found your purpose if you had the opportunity…”

THIS, ironically, is the excuse. It’s another way of saying “Well, I think you wouldn’t have listened or would’ve failed anyway so it’s okay that I never tried.” It’s the excuse that’s used to fail your kids, fail your grandkids, just go through the motions, not really try to make their lives better, more worthwhile, or live in any way that’s actually purposeful or meaningful or oriented towards anything beyond making money or being a couch potato after the 9 to 5. The moment someone points out that’s something wrong and points out the resentment that’s bubbling beneath the surface for young people, the excuses start coming out, but they are just excuses. I’m the one that’s recognizing the role of accountability here.

>>54771522
Really it just depends on the type of persin you are. Not all trade jobs destroy your body im a tradie because i like working outside the Florescent lights in office building give me head aches. I also cant stand working with office wagies they are the normiest of normies i like being able to walk up to ny boss and ask him what he was thinking hiring a nigger and have him just laugh about it instead of firing me on the spot.

>>54772310
>We grew up in a world where school and work were increasingly female oriented, where art was about being as ridiculous as possible, where literature was mostly about liberal-progressive moralizing, where military adventurism meant piloting a drone from a laptop with a bachelor’s degree, and now if you’re a zoomer, diversity and furry briefings and the only real thing a boy could do is just tolerate it at all and hope he starts to not hate it when he starts making real money at 30. The money never even came, there were no jobs, the colleges wanted to keep you enrolled forever and paying debt forever. You had no real opportunities to find interests because you were distracted with games. So if your question really is “Didn’t you realize what you wanted to do with your life when you were 14?” The answer is no.
Hi, gay furry here. Being assigned The Things They Carried and The Stranger in English Lit. helped me to weather the soulless wasteland that was Wuthering Heights. The most success in my cohort is shared between the extroverted straights, the extroverted gays, and the pretty women. So I don't think it's being a dude that's the problem. Also, I knew what I wanted to do when I was 13 (at the intersection of architecture and game design, which, tada, totally exists now), but I didn't get the resources I needed - in particular, connection to people and education on how to maintain those connections. Don't even need to get a job for that, you start your own firm. Those opportunities are hoarded and divvied out to certain kinds of people, though, of which I am not one. So I missed out.
The problem isn't emasculation, its resource distribution.

>>54772339
beter stfu u whiny faggot no wonder with ur attitude ur life turned out to be shit

I think a lot of people in the lower end of the pay scale like this don't understand how little work a lot of office workers actually do. And how well they're paid for it.

>>54770538
Okay then don’t work then we will flood your country with migrants that will work.

>>54772543
I'm saying that because your parents and teachers did teach you to figure out what to do in your life, and it's absurd to think otherwise. And yet here you are still being a little bitch because you were too busy being a faggot to comprehend it at the time.
Yes the world is fucked, yes society is bullshit, yes zoomies are more fucked than the past few generations, but you said parents and teachers should have taught you to figure out what to do with your life. Well they fucking tried retard, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Sure there's always more that they could have done but ultimately you fucked up, own it and quit being a faggot and coping on the internet about what other people should do better.

jews getting mad

I look at it a different way, how mad are jews going to get when I practice self love, self sufficiency, clear purpose, and a goal towards creating the best environment for my kids and the future of my nation

the world doesn't need 37 car mechanic shops in a town of 3k

and it doesn't need 500 electricians in a town of 3k

but by being a knower of these skills I don't need to pay someone else to do this work

>>54772792
good luck

>>54772792
Kikes flood the country with migrants even when we did work though retard

and also the big lie is that everyone can be employed in whatever job they want, and there are countless opportunities to be employed

that is a lie, there are very few opportunities, and even part time janitor work has 200 people filling out applications for it, there is not enough work for all people to work, some people will be forced to struggle, do whatever

I drive for uber, because I have the self respect to not apply for 5k jobs, pretend I give a shit about any of it, it just isn't how I'm wired, I have dignity and self respect, and I make about 15 bucks an hour after gas maybe

but I live rent free and I'm able to build something for my future

give up on the world of employment, jews, all of it, it's all a lie, and the white nations never functioned in this way in the past, self owned family businesses, local farms, this is the natural state of life, and you should be trying to emulate that lest you be crushed by the machine

>>54773159
Do you have sex that is all that matters

>>54773200
women are a disease

>>54773221
I agree but they feel good

>>54773279
in 10 second bursts

>>54770427
It means im unironically going to quit my job for fucking good and fully invest in 0x0 to farm ETH

>>54770427
>a generation of men deciding to work for the bare minimum and just coast through life?
this has been every generation, you fucking faggot

>>54774289
eth is a shitcoin kys

>>54771864
>If you can’t win, why would anyone give a shit about the game?
What true words. What true words indeed.

>>54770427
>skilled trades meme
Yes, go work for slightly above minimum wage in industries that thrived under low regulation (the opposite of today), while also competing with the other men (women get special treatment in the trades) who thought college was a meme.

College is a meme.
Trades are a meme.
Everything is a meme, so you may as well find a semi comfy job and shift your life around living within the means of that job.

The problem is as technology and tools advance, the benefits and ever growing profits of these systems are going to a smaller number of people and companies while less workers are needed. Think about Amazon, using the internet to suck up all the retail business. This trend will continue, until a bloody war

>>54776694
>The problem is as technology and tools advance, the benefits and ever growing profits of these systems are going to a smaller number of people and companies while less workers are needed. Think about Amazon, using the internet to suck up all the retail business. This trend will continue, until a bloody war
Yep, the social contract could still work if the very richest of the rich (you know the people I'm talking about) gave the rest of use some of the crumbs from their table. They won't and therefore society can't be sustained. Hopefully this all ends with blood running down marbled stairs.

>>54773200
Cope

>>54773071
>as he posts on 4chan

>>54772158
>releases whatever drug
I think it was an opioid specifically, maybe morphine

>>54774426
Nope, this generation is okay with being Jeff Bezos bitch for the rest of their lives when there are so many opportunities out there in trades

>>54770538
I'm in a foreign country right now, staying at a short rental (above a bar) in the middle of a bustling capitol. The voices of roastie chatter outside begins to increase as the night goes on. I'm here, in my hotel, pacing back and forth thinking the same thoughts. I am working on my business while they socialize outside. It is a lonely life, trying to "make it" in this world. Yet, they don't even know there is a capitalist literally right above them, hellbent becoming a millionaire. Even so, if I went downstairs right now they'd reject me.

>>54777977
The trades meme is so silly what is this 2012?

>>54770427
An abundance of men with nothing to lose. I'm sure it'll be fine.

>>54779540
kek you already know nothing will happen. Russian and Ukrainian men have even less to lose than Western men, have access to guns and they still blindly serve their Jew governments.

No pussy, no work and no taxes

>>54770427
Birth rates would plummet and we will experience a Total population collapse.

When Men choose to wallow in mediocrity, they won't marry or have children.
They will live alone, grow old alone and leave this world alone.

Very little children will be born and knowing how many Yuppie couples prefer having Furbabies to actual children,
society is fucked.

>>54770754
>I am the based anon
>the kek diety enjoyer
>the basket weaving Mongolian
My social roles are sated.

>>54770463
That sounds about right according to the bond market. Maybe 3-year yields will rise when the recession finally hits us like a freight train.

>>54773159
>and also the big lie is that everyone can be employed in whatever job they want, and there are countless opportunities to be employed

That is one of the big lies, yes. But the Biggest lie is that everyone can succeed in whatever they set their mind to.

>>54779941
Low household formation and the death of commercial real estate are the two dangers facing the US economy in the next 5-10 years.

Since demographic trends are long running, you will see a situation like Japan or South Korea here in the US. The NEET was born in Japan, and Japan is ahead of everyone else in this.

>>54770427
it's alright, this is the future women wanted with the whole equality movement. Some of you anons will be lucky and score a dommy mommy 3dpd corpo wife who will feed you tendies and beer as long as you take care of her children

>>54772109
>Did you not think "hmm, what am I going to do with my life after school when I grow up?", did seriously no one ever ask you what you were going to do afterwards? That was literally the only thing that you needed to decide on.
In the West, but specifically the UK and America, parents and teachers are not the primary influence on children, that would be TV pre-2010 and smart phones post-2010. My generation grew up seeing Homer Simpson, Al Bundy, and Carl Winslow hold everyday jobs and have families and big homes and cars. Most people didn't realize they had to indebt themselves for 15 years to get a slip of paper that would get them jobs that would then fire them in 2008 and come to find even Taco Bell wasn't interested and froze their hiring for 2 years.. They thought they could just work hard at the local factory and make ends meet and take that 2 week trip to the ocean with their loving family every summer. But those factories are gone or crewed only by brown people earning minimum wage or far less under the table. That beach in Miami is full of rioting "youths" and junkies. Hollywood and the government went hand in hand promising a future that doesn't exist. These people are very angry and as they near their 40's and 50's a lot of them are going to realize they have nothing to lose, because they don't. A lot of people are going to die in the very near future, I assure you.

>>54780265
Dark age is coming and everyone(normies) reading the papers is worried about a recession or a depression or Ukrainian prostitutes not fucking black dudes in Berlin. I don't think the average person, or even the average chanfag has any idea just how dystopic things are going to get. I don't think you can even prepare for it in any meaningful way. Buy a house in the hills? Are you and you nonexistent neighbours going to fight of a horde of starving inner city dwellers alone? I don't see a solution, because I don't think there is one unless you're a millionaire on an island somewhere. Which by the way, they have been building fortresses on islands all over the world for the past decade. Neat.

>>54772158
Did the rats have to work 9-5?

The problem with all these hustler mentality cunts is they'll be hussling their toothpaste supply rations while you're both locked in the gulag. You'll be plotting an escape while they're telling you life ain't bad as they enjoy a hot tea they traded a shank for.

>>54770427
more money = more responsibilities and problems = more stress

>>54770427
Slave morality, it would be better to he a neet

>>54771879
What's your job?

>>54770557
There are some jobs out there that benefit from people like you (and me) who like to learn about and be skilled in lots of different things. But the point is to take that curiosity and mentality and apply it to the job market. The point is not that those various, unconnected skills and knowledge that you do have will be useful. Of course it’s easier to just have a niche and be really good at it, but that doesn’t suit everyone.

Me, I’m in the corporate world and have a role that is quite open. That is really key: finding a job that allows you to make of it what you want. This is all vague and abstract, but that is the reality when you don’t have any hard skills to leverage. But you get used to it and can even enjoy it. And also, before you think “boohoo corporate slave”, I’ve made my own role flexible. When it’s busy it’s busy, but when it’s not, I have total control of my time and can work on hobbies or get carried away reading about stuff. And that is making life good.

Not an easy road but trust in yourself and the value of your brain. Monoskilled people are often very insecure, and frankly unaware, about their narrow field of vision. Just ignore them and make your own way.

>>54771797
>>54771864
I just turned 30 and your sentiments mirror mine. You are not alone in the quagmire of chaos, brother. 9/11 stole our childhood and the GFC broke the world as we left high school. There is much truth to the idea that the deck was stacked against us. Truthfully, we never really had a chance.

>>54772405
Then don’t make a whole pillar of the economy out of telling people if people can’t be told.

>>54770427
Why should I do more? I spent years trying my best, constantly struggling and competing, only to end up a burnt-out loser while others get life handed to them on a silver platter. I just don't care any more.

>>54780265
>>54780270
This is so easy to reverse. Just rescind women's rights and hand women over to angry men to pacify them. This is exactly what they'll do when it gets out of hand and I guarantee you within 2-3 years of intense, comprehensive top-down social propaganda you will change the culture completely and have women BEGGING to be imprisoned in kitchens again. They can literally mold the public western culture to be whatever they want it to be at a whim.

If you doubt this just consider how logistically impossible and absurd the COVID response would've been to anyone in 2019 if it were presented hypothetically to any normie. They would've called you a retarded schizo and yet the very same normies were foaming in the mouth to put you in prison 2 years later for not getting vaxxed.

Like 6 years ago I did sealant/caulking for $17 an hour. For a tradie job it wasn't very physical. The most demanding part was assembling scaffolding or bringing I beams and counter weights up to a roof. But it required sitting in traffic for 3+ hours in total. This was back when minimum wage for my state was like $13. Now minimum wage is almost $16. Why the fuck would I do that shit when I can walk 15 minutes to a slacker job

>>54780265
>These people are very angry and as they near their 40's and 50's
Pretty sure most people who didn't manage the 2008 crisis well have either killed themselves by now or are homeless addicts shooting fentanyl in the streets.

>>54773071
They didn’t try. They parroted institutional narratives or were totally hands off.

>>54770538
You still can. The oilfield is booming again here in Alberta. I’m only a 2nd year apprentice but give it maybe 4-5 months and boom, there’s your down payment. As for the wife and kids, I can’t help you there anon.

>>54771194
Start an apprenticeship, work some bullshit night job for a year or two to make ends meet. Work the trade for 3-5 years and make decent money while doing side jobs and building clientele. Go out on your own, make good money and be your own boss. Thank me later or regret it for the rest of your life. Most people don't escape because it gets harder as you get older and have more responsibilities.

Don't care. I WFH making good money doing nothing. Every 18 months I buy a new house and the out the one I'm in. Do this for 20 years and you'll be set. Work smart not hard

I'm 27 and I make $52 an hour and feel poor as fuck.

>>54773072
You are too good for this board

>>54771715
This sounds like soloist imposter syndrome to me. If you believe it, you'll never be the guy in the woods with the chainsaw.
Don't limit yourself fren

>>54771700
Also electricians have to be local, you can't outsource it.
IT companies producing software are in competition with companies based in countries with far lower rents / wages.

What’s worse is when you had a taste of the good life and had all the optimism and hope you were about to make it and then they yanked the fucking rug on us with corona/inflation/money printing. I have a decent wagie job that’s hybrid and am in 6 figure hell with a nice crypto stack but it feels like nothing compared to when I was making big bucks a few years ago selling drugs. I’m so daydream about going back to it almost everyday. The freedom of being an outlaw/being your own boss was amazing but the potential risks are brutal. I’m piling every penny into crypto as a hail Mary as a last chance but even that seems like it won’t truly get me my freedom.

When the wagie threads are more active than stocks and crypto that’s as sure a bottom signal as you can get. Might get another covid 2020 style crash but other than that I’m buying.

>>54782178
I still do this anon and am going to school to desperately get out and derisk, grass is always greener. Also have my crypto hail mary, but I still want a decent dayjob. I know everyone is doing EE/SE but I did logic design and programming and hated it, so switched to ME, maybe less demand but it works for my brain.

>>54770427
we are in the death throws of society now, don't be blackpilled we can rebuild somewhere

>>54782178
This happened to me too but with the GFC. I was killing it compared to my peers and experiencing the high life in NYC. I was newb and let all this bad stuff happen to me which killed my motivation and emotions. Now I am just a jealous and jaded shell of my former self.

>>54770754
Everyday i go to work and acheive a substantial amount of glory for my job once or twice a week on average, owner of 100 million dollar company says "yeah he does good work"
Have 3 blonde blue eyed children
I am a 5 foot 7 autistic retard and somehow did all that by just showing up everyday for 10 years at the same job

>>54779579
except for the part where they randomly shoot their own soldiers

>>54782236
>sure a bottom signal as you can get
>Might get another covid 2020 style crash
it could go up or it could nuke into oblivion, thanks for that amazing advice

Because there is literally no upward mobility anymore. And by the way, trades are shit as well, at least in my country (UK), and the ones that pay well are only because you will have to be probably working 60+ hours a week and be on call at any time of the day.
Good paying jobs you only get through networking by being a social butterfly - a skill you are born with, trust me I have tried. I know retards who went to shit schools that got better jobs than people that went to Russel Group schools all because they were extraverted and charismatic.

You also need to have certificates for fucking everything nowadays as well. I'm currently a student and the only part-time jobs I can get are fast food or retail because jobs that pay a little more like data entry literally ask for a fucking certificate from a local college all thanks to government regulation here.

>>54770754
We will always need more people posting racist frogs on the internet and gatekeeping video games, friend. It's just a matter of taking pride in these simple things, that's in your head