/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54650975
jooosians?

Posting in the end of the world

Great depression 2.0 is upon us

>>54651000
I only now realised that joosians were referring to jews

Test

>>54650975
Dollar-tightness in the Eurodollar system. That's why the Fed can print: due to the increased interest rates, bonds are losing value temporarily, which means banks can create less credit, which means less Eurodollars, hence less dollars to spend. The Fed is, in a sense, just replacing the Eurodollars with real dollars, though this does create inflation in the US.
It's actually volatility that's increasing because one part of the system is rugging, while another part is being flooded. It looks like it's "balancing it", but in reality, the opposing monetary forces (profligate money-printing vs. credit defaults and tightened lending) grow, creating the conditions for destabilizing the system more and more whenever one of them wins out.

>>54650975
>Jews trying to manipulate usd

>>54650975
>every single asset on planet earth is down
funny how that only started happening when I started taking an interest in investing

i’m glad i cashed out a few months worth of money yesterday. i can sit nice and neety

>getting bonus next month
I just hope it all stays down so I can get some cheapies

>>54650975
Gary is taking revenge because of yesterday

They are shaking the boat to try to eradicate the middle class

>>54650975
>>crypto down bigly

>>54650975
Any "nuclear" related news?

>>54651013
unironically. house of cards.nowhere to run.
something is coming. anon warned us a few days ago. hope you're ready

>>54651068
It's.
Da.
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS

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>>54651623
writing was no the wall. you didn't listen

Taiwan xhina attack on friday. Do not go to thug shaker discords.

>>54651070
>everything trading at ytd highs
>retard finally FOMO's in
where were you last year

>>54650975
>crypto down bigly
ORE, TWT, and ZEC are right in the portfolio.

>>54650975
They had to kill LINK pump somehow

>>54650975
Solar eclipse going on as predicted by the twitter witch who said 19th would be big dump until May 5th. The world is ruled and run by evil satanists who drink baby blood and I mean that very unironically, so I'm trading now off of what the evil twitter witch says

>>54651921
we hit the bottom in december

>>54651809
>everybody involved in the markets tanking being jews is just a coincidence

>>54651952
>Bitcoin manipulators
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6k5YHu6fcU

>>54651623
>gold down 1.6%
>btc down 2.5%
Get fucked you loser.

Still in the green. Feels good.

Bitcoin whale here. I'm not letting Link go to $9 so I dumped.

>>54651921
I started investing in 2020

>>54651734
Bullish for URANIUM ?

>>54650975
>somethings going on
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.

>>54651809
Hi kike

>>54651065
that would make sense if the EUR/USD dropped as well. But USD is weaker then EUR, so your thesis is invalid.

>>54652072
schizo moron

>>54652613
It's not a straight line. People think that the rate hikes will stop, so they lend more freely, plus you also get various idiosyncratic factors and behind-the-scenes central bank shenanigans.
In an environment of low liquidity, money pools and inflation/price appreciation becomes uneven, but in this case of stocks and crypto going down: they're bought with dollars, and people have less dollars (I mean they're poor), so the price goes down. Consumers are downstream from companies, who are suffering from a lack of lending (apparently from the high cost of capital, but in reality, from the inaccessibility of capital), can't pay them as much in wages. I'm talking in real terms, in nominal terms, wages are at least keeping steady, but not with inflation.

>>54650975
China going down bigly

>>54652850
>makes sense
Do you think EUR will fall compared to USD? My fiat savings are ~50/50 EUR/USD

>>54653045
I personally think so, but I cannot possibly make such predictions with certainty. It's just a gut feeling.
What I think more important is that the dollars will rug. Global liquidity in this system is provided by dollars (Eurodollars), and a tightening in dollar-liquidity means that the dollars disappear. It's not true appreciation, it just reflects increased (desperate) demand - and demand drives up price. This is true even if the Fed prints more of them; the money supply charts don't tell you the whole story.

>>54652106
thats most of gold's gain most years

>>54652850
>>54653225
I dont understand macro well, what does this mean for the stock market and the riskier assets like bitcoin and crypto?

>>54650975
I don't fucking care, I'd self custody crypto till eternity.

>>54650975
Just bear market things. You didn't think a bear market rally was a bull market did you

>>54653236
It was the gain made one day last week, keep losing.

>>54653225
>Printing dollars results in the inflation in the US, while the rest of the world can't get enough dollars to service the debt and the dollar value increases relative to other currencies
Did I understand this correctly?
If yes, that just means that the rest of the world is even more fucked. If dollar is inflating in the US, but other currencies are inflating even more, then if you have to hold fiat, dollar is still the best option out there.

I'm a yuro, my currency is EUR, I want to preserve my purchasing power and I don't know what to do. Gold is a meme, btc is manipulated as fuck, USD is dying, while the EU is a meme and EUR is even more fucked then dollar. And I can't buy guns and ammo.

>>54653285
Crypto has little liquidity left, which is why single sells move the price so much. Someone wants to sell a large amount, there's not nearly enough buyers, thus the price gaps down. This doesn't reflect "expectations", as is commonly interpreted, the people who still buy Bitcoin are convinced it'll go to the Moon or whatever. Almost everyone has been shaken out by the volatility by now, and the people who are left in the market are either tactical traders or diehard believers with no money left, thus they can't counteract large price-moves down by buying.
(Low liquidity being caused by exchanges collapsing, algorithmic stablecoins ruggings, asset-backed stablecoins rugging, regulatory bullying, as well as general lack of cash with which to buy crypto among potential buyers.)
The stock market operates more or less according to the same mechanics, i.e. things "work the same way", with the difference being that people "have faith" in the S&P and pay into it monthly via their 401(k)s and other retirement accounts, thus there aren't these frequent gap-downs, but this works in reverse too: it's a retirement account; people buy as long as they're working, and they sell when they're no longer working. Not all at once, of course, but this creates a latent wave of selling that comes due as people want to retire en masse. It doesn't mean that people have to sell; I mean, ultimately, S&P500-shares are just as much Chuck-E-Cheese tokens as US dollars; people do use them as money, the problem just is that they can't be easily traded for e.g. groceries.
What could, of course, happen is that the Fed buys equities (or foreigners buy equities, or whoever else) and thereby prevents the S&P going down, but that's of course just inflation. The problem is that people think they can legitimately all sell their S&P500 for 400USD, with no one to buy it... just "magically", somehow. The false belief is built into the current valuation,

>>54653531
but we don't see it, because it already happened (despite always saying "past performance does not guarantee future returns"). If the Fed prints up enough dollars to buy the S&P500 for 400 or however much deems appropriate per share, the dollars are also false, obviously they do not create value, but it's then a bit more obvious because it's happening right before your eyes instead of "oh, the S&P500 returned 7% per year" (reason given: apparently none). Obviously, they're not gonna say "we're replacing the money you thought you had with money you think you have", it's gonna be some bullshit about... I don't fucking now, interest rates or FX or something, but, you know... if they print a couple trillions in front of yours eyes, you're kind of supposed to get the point.
It's not that "the Fed is destroying the currency!!!", it's that we want to be bailed out. If the S&P500 crashes 30% (I'm not saying it will; it already has), people are on TV begging for Jerome Powell to turn on the money spigot. If it's up 50% but inflation goes up (the false valuation, as said, already having been in the stock market; inflation is just when this is made obvious via exchanging for dollars), then they tell him to raise rates. Obviously the Fed can't print value, but it at least can print money and if that calms people down, it calms them down. 90% of these crashes are panic anyway. Money is not value, you're not going to buy 10 times as many houses if there's 10 times as much money, and we do even recognize this when we harangue inflation, but... honestly, it's like giving a pacifier to a child. Not to be insulting, but deep down, it is like that. It's not the real thing, but fuck it, it calms us down (after 2008-PTSD and so on).

>>54653492
>If dollar is inflating in the US, but other currencies are inflating even more, then if you have to hold fiat, dollar is still the best option out there.
Nominally I think so, I hold my little account in dollars too, but the problem isn't so much the value being up or down, but the bank not being able to get dollars.
I don't think there's a reason for a bank run, that is that panic that perpetuates and magnifies itself. In Europe, the ECB can print Euros. In the US, the Fed can print dollars. The ECB can't print dollars, but it does have a swapline with the Fed, so they can at least hand over dollars in an emergency.
The world is, yes, to some degree, fucked. It just is what it is. But there really is no benefit to panicking above and beyond that (I know, it's easy to say this; I panic too, it's all right).

>>54653703
>effortposting
thanks anon

Man that's a good pepe, saved. Shit thread though, rosemary.

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>>54650975
>metals down
It's insane how they keep giving me cheapies. I don't care if I never make it, if my kids / their kids can sell it later at massive profit.

Of course, they might be retarded and hock it for below spot to buy some bullcrap...

>>54651034
Beware the ziohazard

>>54652106
Somebody needs tio get laid.

>>54650975
BBBY is the next GME

>>54650975
Look up "energy cost of energy" aka "ECOE" and prepare to have your mind blown.

>>54651158
Lol

>>54653531
Thanks high iq anon

>>54653653
I agree with everything but about the Fed printing. The Fed doesn't print.

>>54654628
I've been buying pms since the mid 2000s and my thoughts are the same as yours. I may not ever need them but my kids may. It's about them, the future generations. We're fucked but we can give them a chance and thats what matters most.

>>54654781
I hope it helps. I don't know whether my understanding is correct and I can't phrase things perfectly, but I trust it's good enough this way.
I know you didn't mean anything by it, so sorry, I'm just an autist: I'm reasonably smart by IQ-standards, but it doesn't really mean anything, IQ just measures relatively trivial things like working memory and low-efficiency pattern recognition (like in those "which shape comes next?" puzzles); it's something that some people might be able to do better than others, but it doesn't make you have a a "better essence", which is the error that's attached to the nominally neutral concept of "IQ" - we don't say it in a research paper because it's ridiculous, but implicitly, we think that "someone with higher IQ is better", which, in turn, is an instantiation of the error that "some people are better than others", which, in turn, relies on the predicate of "better". There is no "[x, y : human] better(x,y)", not because it's false, but because "better" is made up.