/biz/ - Business & Finance

If it does grow in value, it's because the NEET shills have all the time in the world to spam their coin. There is nothing special about it.

>>544730
PND devs -

>Relaunch homepage
>Buypnd
>Browser miner
>Pandaminer with best and easiest user interface for noobs
>Crypto Crash Course to educate all the noobs in one place with tons and tons of articles
>World's first crypto bank, easily with the most user friendly interface out there
>Android wallet
>Upcoming integrated lightwallet with PandaBank (world first)
>Syncing with the blockchain in seconds with your main wallet with Instant Sync Technology
>World's first Rapid Blockchain Download to download ENTIRE BLOCKCHAIN in minutes, something that bitcoin desperately needs.

>>544749
Look at your first 3, assuming they're your most proud achievements. Nothing to do with the coin. It's like you're calling yourself out.

Enjoy wasting your time with this shit coin

>>544766
listed randomly obviously.
Most proud of our PandaBank and the upcoming developments for it.

>>544730
If you can't appreaciate how unique this coin is and how it's doing absolutely everything right to actually make cryptocurrency an everyday things, you're either
>stupid
>stubborn
>fudding

>>544749
>download ENTIRE BLOCKCHAIN in minutes
Instead I've been downloading the blockchain for 5-6 hours now. My internet speed usually caps at 5 Megabytes/s

>>544820
bro the update is coming soon :) its not a feature yet

>>544820
that's for the next release next week.
will be the fastest blockchain download in the cryptoworld

if you want cryptos to grow, and this means any of you looking to grow any crytpo... then start using them to buy goods and services. and give them away to get them in the hands of the peeople.

I have been looking into pnd for a few weeks now because I see it spammed here all the time.. not really sure I see much value in it at all. however can someone list me the exchanges pnd is trading on?

>>544718

Hide cryptocurrency threads, sage cryptothreads.

>>544793
Yeah you're right, I'm the stupid one, because I'm not shilling for the 300th iteration of a copycat/clone crypto coin of the DOGE source c ode on a Chilean drawing board

1. Active devs that are easily accessible communication wise (IRC, Forum, they’re always active).

2. Delivering promises (yes they make promises and deliver them, it’s rare) some example on point no. 2 including the huge release on august e.g. browser miner, pandaminer, new wallet, etc2

3. We have a fair distribution phase (3 months of PoW before PoS, most only last 1 week)

4. We have grown from 0 to the state now (about 10 sat). we started off from literally 1 litoshi. unlike some coin where their values are magically 50k sat

5. We have a wonderful and helpful community

>>544856
thanks for bump
>>544857
whoa calm down there buddy
no need to be buttmad
just observe how pnd is doing and make your own decisions

>>544718

I just explained here:

>>545093
>>544730

>nothing special about it
>no 5-15 min block chain

Top kek. Why are these shills so fucking buttmad suddenly?

It's another shit coin.

This is DarkCoin all over again
>bu..but it's different and special and unique and all these amazing things that don't have a god damn thing to do with it being a pump and dump

It has no future and will be completely dead within a few months and /biz/ will be on to the next shitcoin before they immediately forget all the other shillcoins that failed because "it's only a few dollars"

You can make a couple hundred off it if you play it right, just make sure you get out as soon as possible because as with every shitcoin, there are going to be a ton of bagholders.

>>545301
darkcoin doesnt have a future, good luck getting an anoncoin accepted by governments.
PND actually has a bright future, innovative improvements, great accessible devs, cool community.

Young fools. Nobody will get rich off PND. Where is the money supposed to come from?

everyone needs to read this >>545340

>>545360
>demand because of Chinese

I could be wrong as I'm a young fool

>>545360
people buying the coin
but the entire point of crypto is to not care about what the price of the coin vs usd is
it's to just use it privately and securely

PHed66dRMs9snQdLREtY3FtjBHizDmAdX3

plz give PND

to the moon!

PU31zE43RsvpE42w1GmGhhwPkLBexRY28L

If you want to :^)

>>545485
>>545492
niggas this shit isn't giveaway sunday

>>545503
I'm sorry sensei

PND is an abbreviation for Pump n Dump

>>545532
is that your professional opinion based on your many years as a NEET?

>>545471
You guys are the idiots saying this is going to make everyone rich, not us. Everyone with a brain knows not one damn person is getting rich off this scam and even the devs are only going to make a few bucks.

>>545545
>PND shills accusing others of being worthless NEETs
the iron knee

I don't understand how a team of 10 people, even with a better product, plan to get companies and consumers to trust and use this coin in the market.

I agree that the coin is a better design then bitcoin, but bitcoin already has market penetration. It doesn't matter that it's better. Plenty of times, people have chosen an inferior product because it's the most available and what their friends are using.

This is reminding me of a google+ v.s facebook, or a vhs vs. beta situation. PND devs need to do a better job explaining how they plan on marketing this coin. That's all I care about and frankly, all that matters.

>>545582
They plan on spamming it on 4chin shoving it down our throat, duh. What is funny is that nobody ever used to say anything bad about PND. Now that the shills went on ultimate shillmode recently PND seems to have made a ton of enemies it didnt need to. Extremely counterproductive if you ask me.

>>545573
the dev team consists of professionals in their respective fields. Some people on the channel actually have jobs and some of them are studying for their future careers. Only NEET here is you friend.

>>545592
>Some people on the channel actually have jobs
oh my

>Only NEET here is you friend.
If I actually was a hopeless NEET praying to get rich by doing nothing, I'd be supporting PND and the other scam coins.

Stay away from PND kids.

>praying to get rich by doing nothing
the community has decided to start creating awareness through many means and activities.
this isn't like the other coins you've heard of

>>545592
> calling people NEETs
> insulting the demographic that might actually buy into this scam
not very bright are you?

>>545596
It's exactly like all of the other coins I've heard of.

>inb4 5 minute blockchains!!
who cares, electrum is instant and more convenient.

>the community has decided to start creating awareness through many means and activities.
yes, we've seen the spam. you offer nothing knew, but just try to be louder than the other 200 alt coins, we get it.

Cyrpocurrency General Question:

How do wallets work? I'd like to 'invest' in some altcoins out there, but I don't plan on trading them, more for the long haul. How do I obtain them online, and then how do I store them? I understand you can have an offline wallet, but how does that work? Can I just get a USB drive and put some magic code on it with all the coins I own? If anyone can point me to some references too that would be much appreciated.

>>545598
the demographic that might actually buy this coin is the everyday hard working person who's tired of getting screwed over by fiat and isn't interested in the many flaws of BTC. Might actually want to learn the purpose of the coin if you didn't know what demographic was being targeted.

>>545599
the quick blockchain download is just one of the many features PND has. The bank has a very user friendly interface which helps people who have no idea how to use the clients of other coins, that offer next to no help
features of pnd:
>cryptocrash course
>user friendly bank
>active development team (actually active)
>decent coin volume
>quick transfers
>quick confirmation
>annual interest
>much more features
with PND you get the best features of all other alt coins and even more to help everyday people get into crypto.

who cares how user friendly PND is.

HOW ARE THEY MARKETING IT? Who's actually doing the legwork on this end.

>>545603
hello friend
anything you might be wondering about is very thoroughly explained on the pandacoin website:
http://pandacoinpnd.org/cryptocrashcourse/
it'll help you with any issues you might have, if you have any other questions please join the IRC channel #PandacoinPND for help from the community

>>545607
>Might actually want to learn the purpose of the coin
Wasn't it to mess with Wo long and his PANDA coin? Do you know the history here?

If you want China to catch on MAKE A FUCKING CHINESE WEBSITES YOU RETARDS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT CHINESE AREN'T THAT GOOD IN ENGLISH. GET THEM COMFY AND MAKE ALIBABA IMPLEMENT IT IN A FEW YEARS.

THEN we all get rich

>a man can dream

Maybe a silly question but I'm noob to all of this but how long does it take to mine a PND coin? I might want to start doing a little mining

>>545609
devs and the community has some plans to attract attention. Actual marketing hasn't begun as we're in the stage before a major bank update, but marketing will be carried out soon.
Someone in the IRC had a great idea we're hoping he carries out for the benefit of the community.

>>545616

What idea is that?

Also what are they plans for marketing? Be more specific. Online retailers? Brick and mortar shops? Consumer based? Crowdfunding... viral what is it?

>>545607
People are not buying this to replace fiat. Lets take that dumb idea from your thick head before it grows roots. No merchants accept PND. The only people stupid enough to buy PND after the mining phase ended are NEETs that are deluded enough to think that putting $50 in to this is going to make them rich. Hard working people usually don't waste money on stupid worthless shit because they value money more. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but NEETs are your main demographic.

>>545611
yes, that was the original purpose, now there's a new purpose.

>>545613
there is a very active Chinese community, reports say that it's even bigger than the English community. We're hoping to merge them both with a popular exchange.

>>545614
it takes a little while, the easier way to get PND is definitely to buy, but if you have any mining questions refer to the site or the IRC channel for help from skilled miners

>>545622
it's a secret, but you'll find out in the coming weeks about plans to market the coin (I'm not a developer, but they've made it clear that there are things in the works). I know the secrecy is a little bit frustrating but it'll pay off.

>>545623
>People are not buying this to replace fiat
well I guess that's it then you must know what people think
>No merchants accept PND
well that it also, guess we should give up, it's not like BTC wasn't adopted over night. No absolutely not, BTC came out and that same day people said "Sure! You can pay with BTC here."
>Mining phase ended
you know you can still get some pnd from the multipool?
>hard working people don't waste money on stupid worthless shit
PND is a stupid worthless shit and hard working people will invest their money on whatever they think will make them more money. For many of us that's PND.
Hope I addressed all your doubts and concerns, friend.

>>545624
Look, bitcoin was one time deal, and those who really got rich were early adopters, which none of you are. You're all followers with your countless threads. If it looks like spam, smells like spam, and tastes like spam, it is SPAM. I hate each and every one of you for pushing your worthless crap on everyone. Fuck off, please, do us all a favor. You're not wanted by anyone, here or elsewhere. You and everyone spamming this board and the internet in general with not one, but endless fucking threads all full of the same shit. Oh hey I'm new to /biz/ and what's so great about pnd, how do I get me some of those pnd? Can I mine them derp? Well anon, it's those awesome devs, and super cool and friendly style! Just head over to imapandaretard.com! It's not like I care about the quality of /biz/ or any other board, I'm just here to piss on your fire, cause fuck you, that's why. Anyone with half a brain is agreeing with me right now. Nothing personal.

>>545623
pnd is money, now go suck on your fiat currency like a good goy

>>545643
I'm not starting the threads, neither is anyone on the channel that I know of. People come to these threads with questions and concerns and I do everything I can to answer them in a clear manner.
I know you may be a little angry and frustrated with these threads, just like I am, it would be easier for me to just chat on a PND general thread, but that's not the case. I'm hoping someone makes one soon for the convenience of everyone on this board.
But for the time being these threads are alive, and people have questions. A quick fix, until this matter resolves itself is to hide the thread from your view with the minimize button next to the original post.

>>545643
yes we dont deserve a place on a respectable board like that
>>540823
now go back to making "i miss the 90s" pics grandpa

>>545648
> calls me goy
Lol I'm not following your train of thought here. Are you saying that Jews... dont like fiat?

>>545662
this goy

>>545666
LOL
You shills are the silliest. I've never seen such retarded arguments before lmao

>>545654
I'm not hiding the thread cause I don't care about any other threads. I'm here with a singular purpose: to let you know that I hate you for being a spamming, lying, sack of shit. It says right up there that your 'community' decided to actively push this worthless crap across the web. Fuck your community and fuck your 'reasonable man' stance. Spammers get no quarter from me, it's just a matter of principle. I'll derail this shit any way I can.

So I just tried to download the Pandaminer off of the pandacoinpnd.org but Chrome says it's malicious software. Can anyone confirm this?

>>545676
yes, chrome reports that as malicious software but it's a false positive. same thing happens with my chrome

>>545676
>implying nobody would mention this

We're not all fucking PND devs m8. They don't even post on here.

>>545678
So I downloaded PandaBank and I'm going to get PandaMiner, is there anything else I need? I'm just looking to do some light mining in the background not set up an entire rig or anything, this'll be my first jump into cryptocurrency.


>>545679
Just getting the lay of the land of what's going on. This is all new to me.

>>545682
nothing else

>>545662
you are ready to do anything for numbers that someone prints or types in from nothing
i value fiat use, but do not agree with everything else about it
i was buying gold, but crypto can be money and act like currency unlike gold

>>544718
>Oh look it's another one of these threads again

>>545643
Underrated post

>>544718
>investment
its more of a lottery... drop 20$ and hope you end up a richfag...

>>545675
I said the community wanted to create advertisements, I never said that we were actively trying to spam 4chan. It's probably a community member making these threads, but it doesn't mean everyone in the community is 100% on board with this method. If you don't care about other threads why are you on /biz/ if it's not to just be angry about a board that you don't care about?

>>545676
it's not malicious software if you followed the link from pandacoinpnd.org, it's probably your computer being extra cautious, but nothing to be worried about.

>>545682
nope, sounds like you're all set. there's a mining tutorial on the site if you wish to learn more.

>>545696
thanks for reading and bumping
its never too late to change your mind and diversify into pnd you know

>>545703
It's also never too late to take a 20 dollar bill from out of my wallet, douse it with gasoline and light it on fire.

>>545643
I figure it like this, I'm not going to drop any real world cash into this any time soon, this seems young enough and accessible enough that I can leave this on in the background while I do some work. If it makes me a little extra scratch, cool if not it's not a big deal. Just seems like a fun little hobby to get into to get a better understanding of how cryptocurrencies work.

>>545711
if youre not going to spend it you might as well, it will be worth nothing in 5 years

>>545699
literally this
im going to drop enough to buy 1 million PND
ill sit back for a year or two and see if im a millionaire
if not then oh well ive spend ~$50 on worse things

>>545716
That's OK. PND will be worthless in less than one.

>>545718
That was my thoughts too when I dropped 100 bucks into this when it was around .5 sat. now it's already at around 1700

>>545721
> 1700 satoshi
No it isnt

i think he means what his investment is worth right now, which is about right

>>545727

>>545732
Also there is no such thing as .5 satoshi. One satoshi is literally the smallest unit possible.

>>545735
maybe learn more before you make any decisions anon

>>545735
Heard of LTC markets? And yes that's how much my PNDs are worth now.

>>545721
>>545718
exactly... its like a hospital lottery... spend ~$100 on the possibility of a fat payday, its just a very long shot speculation.

>>545757
>its like a hospital lottery
Based on which ticket has the best graphic design.

>>545757
Wish had put more like 1000 into it thinking back.

Using pnd as a savings acc because theres nothing to spend it on, Currently 6.5 mil pnd and purchasing much more when coinbase gets me my btc. Pic very related.

What are some good USB miners I could use to mine PND? I've heard they're more efficient than GPU/CPU mining plus I figure I could take them with me to work and mine while i'm there (since I'm not paying the electricity there as I am at home) any suggestions?

So if I do get enough PND coin, how do I transfer it to money I can put it in the bank? Use it to buy Bitcoin then use that to put it into my paypal account or something?

ugh so many niggers ITT that don't read the thread or go to the website/visit the IRC

>>545721
>>545743
You might be a little confused. The highest PND has gotten so far has been 11 satoshi (?).

>>545883
yes

>>545893
It has gotten to 15 sat.

>>545779
whats your budget?

PAZ6oaUEZnjvBKyhgFCq51wZ7rF36618NG
plase can i have a few?
cant go around spreading the word if i dont have any

>>545718
I really doubt PND will ever reach a dollar per coin. And I say this while having 500k PND. 20 or 30 cents per coin is probably where it will max out if it actually does get popular. It will likely never reach 270-280 Satoshi

>>545997
thanks a lot. ill be out spreading the word

>>546007
Yea doesn't look like its going anywhere. Transaction volume still hovering over $2k-$3k. To put it in perspective, even Dogecoin has 100 times the volume and it has been dying for months.

I mined all day and didn't get anything in the bank

how does this work?

>>546010
damn, you really dont know anything

>>546010
I really don't think there will be another bitcoin situation. PND is a great coin in theory but it seems like its going to sputter out and die in a few months. I can't see a situation where it actually becomes popular unless the Chinese government actually backs it as a currency.

And that is less likely than WW3 and Ron Paul winning the presidential election with 100% of the votes. But it still might get a little more valuable and be worth dumping later.

>>546014
What's that? I can't understand you with all your misinformation.

>>546012
Give it time. Until the update comes it can take as long as 24 hours.

Personally I can`t wait till this takes off in the Asian market. When the chinese adopt it we`re all filthy rich.

>>546016
I really don't think so either. DOGE had a huuuge community and they weren't able to pump it to achieve what the Bitcoin bubble did. PND community is obviously super small considering how low the trade volume is. Since PND was created here I would imagine that the majority of all PND holders are on /biz/. They are going to have to do something drastic to increase the userbase.

>>546018
Why would you assume the Chinese would adopt it? Putting a panda on it and some Asian aesthetic doesn't mean it will get popular in China. I would like to hear some solid reasons.

>>546017
look at more than last 24h volume goldfish

>>546020
main selling point is that pnd is not made in china
really, they look at all chinese coins as scams
they want to be a part of a worldwide thing
thats also the reason why all country coins will fail

>>546021
I have been. Like I said it has been hovering around $2k-$3k for a few weeks now. At one point it was even lower. On average LTC has 1000 times the trade volume and BTC has 10,000 times the trade volume of PND. It's just a really tiny community trading this.

>>544718
do i donate some money to save the pandas when i buy them?

>>546024
it was 17-30k in some days also
people are waiting for update
not many daytraders, but do you really need those now?
apples and oranges

>>546024
There's around 10 cryptos ranked higher in market cap vs PND with similar or smaller volume.

It doesn't mean there's no more room for the price to grow. More the fact that it's still a hidden gem and will pick up once more people find out about it.

So if small segments of /biz/ are involved and it's already at 1 million marketcap, can you imagine if it gains traction with more world first releases?

>>546026
The only day that the volume got up to $17k is when the price crashed. It just meant a ton of people dumped. Even $17k is extremely low for a crypto.

>>546020
Because it already has a huge chinese community, is more accessible to lower income families and has already a demand there.

If a lot of lower income people adopt it it`ll spill over.

>>546029
>is more accessible to lower income families
???
What does this even mean lol
This statement is really bizarre.

>>546027
>>546029
So what do you two think it will end up at Satoshi wise after it gets popular? Do you actually believe that it will ever be be worth more than 1-10 cents per PND?

>>546030
its very easy to mine, buy, use and trade so that even Han Li with his shitty Pentium M laptop can use it over public wifi in his trash hut.

>>546031
The goal is 1 PND 1 USD but that`s maybe a decade away. But yes I think It´ll reach that. Provided that the asians adopt it.

>>546031
>You comparing volume is like telling people back then - "Hey look at google's share price, it's so shit and tiny, barely any users, why invest in them when you can buy yahoo shares?"

Not sure, can't predict the future. All I know is that after researching the top 30 altcoins, Pandacoin stood out as the one with the right approach and historical track record of developments that's focused on end users, something that none of them are doing.

To me it's like betting on horses, it's an undervalued underdog that already gave me back 6 times ROI, and could go higher due to the way the developments are going.

My personal opinion is that traction will come once other coins start adopting Pandacoin's approaches, like with a internet banking UI, easy mining, focus on first time user experience with instant syncing and fast blockchain downloads.

They've shown me that they are here to anticipate upcoming trends, and to solve existing problems plaguing bitcoin, as it's a first generation protoype.

It's a bit like the search engine market share race, we're in the early early days where alta vista and ask jeeves were battling it out. Is PND the google or yahoo? For now it looks like it COULD be. But you can bet that the moment a stronger contender appeals that could be the next google of crypto? I will jump ships right away. But has not happened yet.

>>546028
PND is not for daytraders yet, maybe at higher sat when %change from sat to sat wont be so high, or we will revive ltc market. I dont care for now. Scares away leeches like you.

>>546034
Out of curiosity how many PND do you actually have. I know a few people on here have more than 20 million of them.

>>546036
A bit under 20 million, didn't know about PND when they were trading below 1 sat on the LTC markets unfortunately.

But I've been putting in around 20-50 bucks into it on buypnd every week or 2 with a target of having over 25 million ever since.

Most people tend to forget that buypnd.com is absorbing quite a large chunk of the volume. I know the owner, he hinted that buypnd.com volume is approx 10 times the exchange volume since it launched during the "quiet" periods like now. This is because PND is picking up people from outside of the cryptocommunity that don't want to trade on exchanges.

>>546041
So you will make money regardless if it grows to any significant degree.

>>546033
Lower income families can buy BTC, LTC, or a slew of other cryptos out there pretty easily. To say that one is more accessible than another is silly.

>Provided that the asians adopt it.
Why would they? They haven't yet. They haven't even showed any interest in it at all.

>google
Comparing any crypto to Google is bad. It's just a really terrible analogy. It's this blind certainty that something that is so insignificant will turn out to be a multi-billion dollar technology that makes you look more like a cult following and is why nobody takes you seriously. Skepticism is healthy and the PND community (as well as other small altcoin communities) tend to show none at all. Your goal should be a more realistic one like increasing your userbase by 1000 users and at least doubling average trade volume. You are not going to do that by shilling on /biz/ since PND was created here and has been shilled here from the beginning. To think that Asia is going to randomly choose to pump PND out of hundreds of alt coins out there is not real and I wouldn't hold your breath.

>>546044
>They haven't even showed any interest in it at all.
and where did you get that idea?

>>546035
I wasn't even talking about daytraders. I am referring to people actually buying PND. With that low of trade volume people it means that nobody is buying (daytraders or hoarders).

>>546044
The chinese PND community is already larger than the english speaking one.

>>546043

Should be more to come, devs mentioned it was a strategic play to expend resources on marketing efforts once they finish this IST, RBD and dual mode wallet so noobs will stop asking "im syncing why is it taking so long" and "where are my coins". We've seen it repeatedly just with the other anon's PND 2k giveaway thread.

>>546044
You sound like the same people on forums that dismissed bitcoin and google's potential when they both were launched.
>never going to happen
>mfw I used to be one of those that dismissed bitcoin and google also, just like 99% of the market commentators back then
>mfw within a containment board it's already achieved this much, what's next for PND in 2015?

>>546047
where do you think volume on high volume coins comes from?

>>546046
Because there is no evidence of it.

>>546051
PND IRC = 150 regular users
PND QQ = 350 regular users

>>546049
Comparing PND to Google (or even Bitcoin) is just really silly. I can say of any small company that they are going to experience growth like Google but if there is nothing to back up that claim, its just empty words.

>>546052
Like I said, just a really tiny community.

>>546050
It comes mostly from daytraders. They make up the majority of the volume. If there is hardly any volume at all though, it means no daytraders or new buyers.

>>546053
thats the funny thing about reality, there was not many points to back their claims then either, they were just doing things right.
>>546054
doge 600 irc moon soak slurping bots are far superior

>>546053
>"empty words" kek
>most user friendly crypto in the market
>first crypto banking application
>solves bitcoin's biggest problem of week long blockchain downloads
>solves all POS coins problem of not using lightwallets with instant syncing technology on core wallets as users can't stake/secure network
>world's first dual mode wallet so users can switch between modes and keep coins in same addresses
>most noob friendly mining program out there that even your down syndrome brother can use it
>40 + articles to educate noobs on the perceived complex emerging space that noobs have no idea about
>realistic coin count so future users don't pay 0.00000435 in bitcoins
>not a deflationary economic model like Bitcoin so users don't hoard knowing in the future value will be higher. 2.5% inflation is perfect
>fairest and longest POS coin distribution period in excess of 3 months

All of the above in 3 months time. What's in store for PND towards end of the year, 2015 and beyond?

>Empty words
>kek

>>546059
If the new update doesn't double the usage of PND the coin is dead fore sure. We will most likely know by late December which way PND will be going.

>>546065
Not really, dev's have a unique approach of protecting their intellectual property to obtain first movers advantage. We were all surprised with the net banking interface, crypto crash course, pandaminer, browser miner, buypnd, hybrid wallet, instant sync technology, rapid blockchain download.

We just don't know what they have in store for us next, besides annoucements for smaller developments like the crowdsourcing platform.

All I know is they have the ability to see trends/problems, and develop PND to have long term sustainability. The upcoming update is a good example - all crypto blockchains will only get bigger. 10 years later we're probably talking tetrabytes. Can you imagine developing nations trying to download and sync with the current blockchain download/sync technologies?

The PND devs certaintly thought ahead. They've proven themselves, and am looking forward to their "rethinking cryptocurrencies part 2: putting the currency in cryptoCURRENCY" statement they've made before.

>>546068
The problem is for all their innovations nobody actually knows about them. They may be the most innovative and forward thinking but if nobody is using it then it is all for nothing. I appreciate your optimism but I still think we will know the fate of PND by late December or early January.

>>546074
When you have an outstanding service or product as a foundation, word of mouth will come naturally.

We're approaching that with every innovation they can bring forward. Have you been on IRC lately? The amount of new users there has been pretty good lately, and looks like it'll just continue to pick up.

Like you said, it'll be interesting to see how PND will be like by early next year.

>>544844
This is why they fail. Too many people are only interested in them to speculate with. If we want them to succeed they must supplant our current payment methods.

>>546059
Sounds like good stuff but there is a lot of cryptos with a long list of features that improved on the Bitcoin protocol, and some that are not even forks but entirely new platforms. I don't see a Google type breakthrough here just a few updates on an existing technology (which again, a lot of cryptos have).

>>546065
I agree. If PND can get a ton more users it will move up some in marketcap, possibly even double in value. That is a big if, though. The alternative is that nobody cares much about the new features (or cryptos in general anymore, which the majority have been on a slow decline), and PND stagnates like DOGE. This is a real possibility. Any other scenario where PND explodes to dollar parity isn't even in the realm of possibility and PND holders should be ashamed for even suggesting this is possible.

>>546068
>obtain first movers advantage
Bitcoin already had first movers advantage, being the first mover. PND is a clone with upgrades.

>10 years later we're probably talking tetrabytes. Can you imagine developing nations trying to download and sync with the current blockchain download/sync technologies?
That is implying that Bitcoin, or any other altcoin can't just easily duplicate the instant sync. Also there are altcoins that don't even use a blockchain at all so had no issue with this in the first place.

>>546087
The only way PND could reach a dollar would be if an actual government supported it which will never happen. I do think it can double in value and maybe triple before it stagnates at least. I'm not saying it's value won't increase but I will never reach the levels that some people here seem to think it will.

>>544718
please gimme some
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>>546087
have you ever been right about anything in your life?

>>546107
Take 1 pnd :).

>>546110
Absolutely. I have had some luck and some foresight in making a few smart investments and decisions. In the 90s I rode the supply chain management boom and dot com boom before it burst. In the early 2000's I managed to take advantage of ENRON and got on board the regulatory compliance push early by creating a headhunting firm for SOX consultants. After the housing bubble burst in 2008 I scooped up a lot of cheap property and sold some of them for profit within this last year. I also was one of the people to learn about Bitcoin early in 2012 and bought some in 2013 for $50 each (unluckily I sold at $200). I also bought Litecoin when it was priced at $2.

Nobody knew that Bitcoin would blow up like it did. Very very few people actually got rich off of it. Most of the ones that got rich were just lucky and willing to take a risk. I haven't bought any crytpo since I sold in 2013 and the reason is because I think Bitcoin was a one time occurrence. I have seen many bubbles come and go and I feel like Bitcoin was a textbook bubble that already burst. That doesn't mean that some other technology will come along that revolutionizes cryptos and causes another boom. PND is not that technology though. It is way too similar to Bitcoin, updates or not.

>>546122
>That doesn't mean that some other technology will come along
will not* come along

>>546122
and you think that you know enough about pnd to make that judgement? what would you advise 3 months ago?

>>546112
thank you kind sir

>>546127
I wouldn't have bought 3 months ago, and I didn't. Picking an altcoin to hold on to long term was a crapshoot and I still feel like its a gamble. Some succeeded and some failed. The fact that PND is up in value from what it was a few months ago is cool but that is no guarantee that it will continue to do so. Just the fact that it has a good development team and improvements isn't enough to solidify its superiority over all the other altcoins out there, in my opinion. Even if PND comes through on all its promises (wasn't the update originally supposed to be released by August 30th?) people still might not care.

>>546145
if threads were as active as theyre now you would be there shitting on pnd not knowing anything about it, youre looking at numbers when the world is made out of people.

>>546145
the 30th aug update was the release of the website revamp, browserminer, pandaminer, pandabank, cryptocrashcourse, and the whole plethora of other stuff in the website

the new update now promises the better wallet

As a regular workaday asshole, who believes bitcoin is a convoluted solution ineffectively searching for a problem, (as most of us normalfags that have even heard of it do) why should I buy PND?

Honest question; feel free to ignore it.

>>546148
You're right. PND was deserted back then. It was created just to destroy PANDA and then when the price dropped it was left to die. It wasn't until a little later that some people decided to revive it. I really didn't even care to speculate if it had a chance of coming back from the dead at that point. If you did? Good for you.

>>546149
Ahh... that makes sense.

New Crypto Crash Course Article - Why User-Focused Development is Better than Value-Centric Development

http://pandacoinpnd.org/why-user-focused-development-is-better-than-value-centric-development/

>>546152
If you feel like gambling PND is a great option. Otherwise it's not a great option. You can throw ten bucks in though and get a few hundred thousand though if you don't really want to invest.

>>546163
For the sake of argument let's say, "I have neither the time nor inclination for opening/verifying an account on an exchange, and wiring money to them, in order to buy new money I can't spend/invest/save". Should I just grab a $10 scratch ticket?

>>546163
>You can throw ten bucks in though and get a few hundred thousand though

>>546165
Your odds and payout would probably be the same for your average scratch ticket yes. It would be much faster.

>>546166
>>546167
that's a bit silly, realistic however would be at least 10 times current value in 2-3 months and then it will go fast

>>546153
i dont remember it dying we were trying to make "better doge" from day 3, ended up with trying to make "best crypto"

>>546223
but i guess volume and price sometimes were pathetic compared to our vision

>>545972
I can maybe spend about $80-100 I don't know if that's enough though.

>>546167
to be fair there are 2 possible outcomes. PND either goes up or it crashes and burns.

>>544718
im probably going to drop 25$ and treat it like a lottery ticket but what makes you so sure it will spike like BTC did? BTC was the first widely used crypto out there which is why it spiked like crazy.

>>546294
its free to go any direction, but it cannot go back

>>546294
>BTC was the first widely used crypto out there which is why it spiked like crazy.
That's exactly right. Well PND is actively trying to appeal to the everyday hardworking man. With a very simple interface, low entry cost and a crypto crash course feature, PND wants people who have no idea what cryptocurrency is to get involved and learn. I'm very sure PND will be very big because appealing to everyday folk is exactly what cryptocurrency (BTC) was meant to do.

>>546294
It's not going to spike like BTC because it's supposed to be a currency and not nearly as limited in number. It's going to go up though most likely. Your 25$ will at best be about 250$ before the growth stops and it crashes. It's better than nothing.

Nothing will spike like BTC and anyone who tells you PND will ever be worth a dollar is delusional. Still you can make some cash off it.

fucking mintpal holding my btc when I want to buy

>>546302
>>546304
BTC also started spiking when there was that whole thing with cyprus being broke or whatever.

>>546315
Yup, Cyprus was withholding bank accounts from their respective owners and people wouldn't tolerate it so they transfered their money to BTC. It was mostly normal every day people who were using BTC and the price soared. I feel like I need to add that while probably 99% of the people on this thread are only interested in being rich (I share the same hope), some people actually want to use crypto instead of fiat for the several benefits that it holds (me too). I'm pretty tired of having to pay unfair fees to access my money or paying banks to hold my money, in addition to having my money siezed by paypal for "obscure" transactions and the fear of having it siezed again. It is my money after all.

Is whalepanda kil?

He must have close to 2 billion

>>546364
He's probably in his secret dungeon shoving a 3x3 pipe up Moolah's arse. He lost a lot of BTC in that whole business.

How long do transactions normally take? i Brought $30 worth and it still hasn't arrived

>>546547
If you bought through buyPND it might take a while depending on whether the guy who runs it is online or not. It's all manual. But transactions are generally very quick and take less than a minute.

When will the block chain upgrade be implemented? The price drop is worrisome, but I believe its caused by whales dumping to lower the price, and then buy back for a lot more.

when someone buys PND on buypnd.com, does the site owner pocket the cash and send some of his coins over, or does he buy them on an exchange for the customer?

>>546684
Buys them from the exchange. that's why there's such a big fee.

>>546646
Hopefully soon.

>>546687

>big fee
>gives you 65% of what you should be getting for USD to PND

scam

>>546693
A lot of the money is lost in the exchange process. USD to BTC, BTC to PND. 2 fees plus Paypal's bullshit merchant fee. Plus I imagine he's not doing it for free. If you don't know don't go around shitposting. If your feeding people wrong information the scammer is you. Alternatively you can do the entire process yourself. I don't think anyone is stopping you from doing it.

>>546706
You're

>>546364
whalepanda is doing good, holding, staking and selling pnd directly to people for fiat

>>546547
try the irc

i think the guys name is jommy

PND 4 LYFE

>>546964
it's jommy99 i think
he's usually around

Without shilling, can anyone explain how exactly PND is being marketed? What's going to increase its popularity?

>>547044
It's being marketed by a bunch of people about it on /biz/. Beyond that it's almost totally unheard of outside of /biz/.

>>547049
does every company announce big details before they are ready to be implemented?
wouldn't that be shilling?
if anybody can't wait for the info why don't they sell out then? The last thing this coin needs is someone who'll just jump out at any unpleasant wait time. It hasn't even been a month since new features were being announced.

This sounds stupid, but has anybody tried writing to news outlets our something about PND? The media jumps at any opportunity to appeal to the simpletons, and it would be a great way to get the market moving. Just telling people that they can generate a currency while they sleep at night might make it sound enticing to a lot of people.

I was considering selling my 17m back when they were selling for 12 sat each and now I'm starting to regret it
Should I be or am I being irrational?

>>547941
You are asking a pool of flawed irrational people if you, a flawed irrational person, if you are being irrational.

Hold/buy if you think it will be worth more later than it is worth now; sell if you think it will be less. No one knows what the future will hold, as this is out of everyone's control.

>>547949
hey, i may be flawed but im not irrational

>>547941
Wait a few weeks, you wont regret it with the new updates coming up.

>>545552
im gonna make a few bucks too. but probably not more than a few bucks. I put $4 in and if I can sell for even $10-15 a few months down after the whales are done pumping then I'll be stoked.

there's always the rare instance it could go top 10 and maybe ill make a bit more. there's the retardedly remote chance it could be lightcoin/peercoin tier but that's it. it will never be bitcoin tier

>>545592
John goes to the university of life

it's a scam bro

>>545767
>NEET with a couple hundred autism bux here
>put it all on PND

>>548460
devs are professionals with on average 10 years of experience in their fields.

>>548464
John's fucking google plus says "university of life" and that's it

hi john

>>548470
he isn't a dev bro.

>>548473
Yes you are john

Stop shilling pls

>>547049
>he actually thinks this
>he doesn't realize that ~1000 early adoptors from china are in on PND
nice try m80

>>544718
We just hit a bull market for cryptos where almost every single one went up considerably in value. Except that PND went down. Not looking too great for this coin at the moment.

>>544749

>Relaunch homepage
You built a website! WOW! Now a few people WILL NOT associate your crypto with a scam artist.

>BuyPND
gives you 65% of the market price in PND for USD, and yes it's manually operated by a dude. Sounds incredible.

>Browser miner/Panda miner
Do you actually think plebs and the masses know or care about mining? Congrats you can mine this shill coin that no one is using.

>Crypto crash course
You would have made a lot more money taking the dev team and writing a book called "Bitcoin for dummies"

>World's first crypto bank
Yet another "improvement" that bitcoin could either do itself or have a 3rd party do for them

>Android wallet
That's funny, I have bitcoin wallet on my phone too, and I can trade/buy/sell on the same app

>integrated wallet/fast sync
Not only could bitcoin get these features, But online wallets are negating the need for this at all.

I'm a pleb with crypto and even I can see that PND is completely pointless. Bitcoin's value is going up because infrastructure is being built around it. How do you expect to get PND going with world wide application when you have most of your devs dicking around in an IRC channel all day?

Sell you tech to bitcoin and be done with it

>mfw PNDs graph looks like every other altcoin ever made
>mfw it's never going to go up from 9 satoshi

>bought 7.5 BTC on Nov 3rd
>originally going to use some of that for PND
>realized it was going nowhere/shill coin
>BTC at $430 today and rising
>mfw I just made over $700 in two weeks

Thank you based god

buy pnd they said

>>548747
I find that really strange. Why would one coin specifically go down. I mean if it isnt bitcoin it's shit in general but why would every coin except for PND go up.

>>548747
- many have tried further guidance to offer, much guidance, most subtle-like, however, plain-speak now needed..

PND-doods, respect, you organised something! - instead of posting crap 99 pro, like the other 99% do, 99 percent of the time..

Now, the really hard part - move that shit BEYOND 4chan, because, as you've beeen told nicely and, starting now, really non-nicely; you DO NOT shit on your own doorstep.

ALL crypto is a bagholder scam, by definition - now, take that shit and spam it elsewhere, please.

>>548764
Made 10k is 2 months
the is a god

While BTC is paving the way for cryptocurrency, I think that people will want to see multiple sources come up from this rather than just a single entity. If PND becomes accessible enough and user friendly enough it'll rise, but I don't think it'll ever hit BTC levels but maybe some where within an affordable range for the every day consumer. Investing just so you can have hundreds of thousands of coins in the hopes it'll make you overnight millionaires is just stupid though.

>tfw pnd is 7 satoshi and dropping lower and lower

Good bye all my sweet money ;_;

>Got like 600k Pandacoins because of /biz/ shilling
>Guess that 99,99999% it will fail and my 20€ are wasted
>Hoping for the 0,00001% is still very much fun

I will be rich or i have lost 20€, who cares.
I will simply skip McDick the next 2 times

I don't think so.......

>>548811
>hoping and praying
>mfw up 1.2k today flipping options

>>547044
http://pandacoinpnd.org/community/

>>548808
why did you buy pnd?
big holders should be worried about dropping price
new people should see it as opportunity

>>545623

> but NEETs are your main demographic.

Hence hardcore shilling here

I spent £19 on half a million PND and now they're worth £12.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

>>550183
They'll go back when BTC is done crashing. Give it a couple of days.

Also for those just joining us, nows a good time to buy.

>>550191
You don't understand I'm ruined. Ruined!

>>550183
You haven't really lost anything though unless you exchanged them. Think long term. They may only be worth £12 now but they could be worth £100 in a years time. Sure they could also be worth £1.2 but I think that's far less likely as more people learn about them.

>>550191
>>550194
Nah I'm only kidding. It's a fun hobby anyway.

>>550196
It's also a very good intro to forex trading for those who haven't done it before.