/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54601736
Thinking of going to Toronto for easy Indian pussy anyone recommend?

The BoC and Canadians are really dumb when it comes to housing.
To them all prices are relative.
Average looking house in a regular neighborhood sold for 15 times the median wage?
To them it's valid because the house next door sold for 14 times 2 months ago.
At no point will debt servicing ability be discussed. If you can't pay the mortgage? No problem, sell up and collect your profit, after all housing always goes up.
Nobody can think here.

Yeah sure muh index is down
What about the price itself, or price to income ratio
Gtfoh

>>54601773
Those of us who saw through the haze of un-reality here will be buying on sale when the time comes. Canadians are good people who are good to each-other; Canada is beautiful and is blessed with resources; this place will do very well and I think our renaissance will begin right here. We need a change of management across the board, which is becoming increasingly inevitable. The rulers both public and private are no longer fit to rule -- they have badly mis-delegated our resources and productive energy for years now, and the markets themselves will not let this continue for much longer. There's too much real wealth at stake for this retarded and fake carnival to continue for much longer.

>>54601736
Good people live here, so we'll be fine -- just need a change of management and probably some short term pain for those who are overleveraged (chief among whom are our Maple Syrup Oligarchs, whose fake wealth will flow back into the real world of real markets and real people as their monopolies are broken by forces they can't control).

>>54601831
The index is the price and the price impacts the price to income, you utter tard

>>54602073
> Good people
Sell out their country and their own kids for a few holidays to Florida.

>>54601736
I just love living in a country that brings in 1 million immigrants to prop up their housing which is 30% of their GDP.
Same goes with foreign students who are liquid gold to universities and the rental market.
Canadians have been completely priced out and replaced. Sad time to be a leaf.

>>54602096
I don't think any of that is part of the decision making process for people here, anon. What you take for malice is just an expression of our demographic structure. The boomers just act in self interest, as all market participants do.

In terms of the big picture though, the real creative energy of any society is held by the young. Currencies and financial instruments are just methods of storing energy; its all an accounting system with which we keep track of who controls what creative energy in our society. The young have all of the real energy, but the old hold all of the Canadian currency and its derivatives (paper real-estate wealth, paper pensions, etc, etc). At some point this becomes a problem with the currency and its derivatives -- it becomes less and less real as it moves farther and farther away from the real producers of value. As it becomes re-tethered to reality, productive energy (wealth) will naturally be transferred to the producers of the most valuable energy (the young).

I guess what I'm saying is that the Canadian economy of debased money and un-payable debts is fake, but the productive energy of the people here is real. You can't measure the real by the fake, so the way we measure these things will have to change (as it already is). The problems are with the accounting system our economy represents, and not with the economic participants themselves

>>54602134
Immigrants are just using it as a staging post for the USA.
With recent massive unaffordability most are going to want to leave.
The govt has responded by slowing down citizenship applications from 12 month processing time to 26 months, to trap and squeeze another year out of them.
BoC have stopped raising because they know housing is fucked.
Fed are going to raise again, CAD will drop exacerbating inflation.
BoC are totally incompetent.

>>54602266
> The boomers just act in self interest
>> Sell out their country and their own kids for a few holidays to Florida
Exactly what I said.
Your talented young are leaving. Your education system is very suspect. You have a real problem.

>>54602266
We have a real fucking problem.
Those market participants were using a broken democracy to exploit (somehow nobody talks about this) a majority of the country.
This will breed social and political unrest. We will not benefit from a resource boom unless we can keep our shit together, which is a prospect becoming more difficult to achieve every single day.
We have a real problem

>>54602330
The biggest misjudgement is the Fed can hold higher for longer than Canada. Mutts are on 30 year fixed, Canucks are on variable or 5 year fixed. More and more are remortgaging every day. Payments are going up by 1.5 to 2.5k per month. Those families are stopping all discretionary spending which will hit the economy. So much of the economy already ran on HELOC based spending due to rising asset prices.
That has all gone into reverse.

>>54602303
Not sure where morality comes in. We should stop thinking in terms of "X group act bad, X group act good" if we ever want to make sense of these things. It's all just a network of individuals acting in self interest; it's all just cause and effect. Morality doesn't need to distract us as we look at this network and make our speculations in its markets. Morality applies to one's personal world first.

>>54602330
We absolutely have a real problem -- we have a problem of management across the board in both the public and private sectors. Those who delegate resources in our corporations and governments are no longer motivated, capable or dexterous enough to maintain the increasingly complex systems we depend on as a society. The solutions to this problem already exist, and the question is simply one of implementation.

We hear so much in the news about AI's disruptive potential with regards to the creative fields. But has it occurred to anyone else here that things like banking and government services are the most easily automated of all? Think about the resources and energy that will be saved as we move towards a state of greater efficiency in these things. The sheer scope of the cost savings involved make this inevitable in the long run. And we forget that Toronto is quietly one of the epicentres of global AI development. Do you think it's a coincidence that this development is taking place in the heart of the wealthy country with the most shamefully mis-managed infrastructure and services? The market participants developing this stuff see that there's a product market fit here.

Canada always been little more than a market. It has mercifully little cultural baggage from the age of nation states, upon which the sun is now setting. Our institutions have no historical knowledge of violence, and we treat each other well in this place. Like I said, all we need is a change of management. The renaissance starts right here

>>54602510
Ontario's entire economy is the HELOC.
Full stop.
They will create short term artificial demand for housing with immigration, but while this might give a sugar rush to housing (there is objectively a shortage given the sheer numbers in demand) but medium term the impact to the standard of living will cause political turbulence.

>>54601736
What is the best way to short Canada?

>>54601736
Their banks are in deep shit too.

>>54602604
Own the super cheap resource stocks that are in a good position to provide USA with resources, and once boomers start bidding up the price dump on them and buy their land.

>>54601736

Housing market will never crash. Two more weeks right OP? Housing market will go the moon forever.

>>54602547
This post illustrates my main concern: I have two kids in the Canadian education system, both get good grades but I'm worried about the definition of quality here.

>>54602632
This thread shows prices fell.

>>54601756
There is no easy pussy in Toronto. Toronto is a modern hellscape.

>>54601756
If you are a tall white man that's confident and remotely manly (read: not a passive basedboy metro bitch) you will literally get ethnic women eyefucking you.

>>54602660
What do you mean? I think we've had very different experiences of this country. All I see around me is potential, and in the last year or so I've noticed the tools that will allow us to reach this potential being quietly assembled right here of all places.

>>54601736
I hate meme countries so much, it's unbelievable.
What's the fucking point of Canada? Why can't they just become part of US? Same with all those landlocked Europoor cuntries with median age of 45.
>>54602134
Canada is a meme country bro. You should be thankful they haven't done worse. I wonder how much of Canadian GDP is just pakis selling kebab in baazars.

>>54602710
That's why Trudeau's sole action to combat recession has been to announce higher immigration targets?
Your AI fantasy is just bullshit.

I live in Calgary, bought in 2020 and want to buy another condo or house if crypto goes up.... There's not going to be a crash.

>>54601773
This but unironically, we get 500k indians coming per year not including family. And that wont stop until canadas qol is worse than indias. Which wont happen in your lifetime. Housing go up forever

>>54602729
Calgary is tiny. People paying big bucksto live 15 minutes from the center when 20 minutes away is a field.
Imagine running a land pyramid scheme in a vast country with a tiny population and a tiny currency.
> But well paid immigrants will keep coming
Well paid have options, they won't keep flowing for bad healthcare, high taxes and high housing costs

>>54602096
This. Canada had a high compliance for vaccinations. The good people have died long ago and their retarded progenies are here razing the lands with degenerate cultural hellfire.

>>54602752
See this reply you innumerate tard
>>54602777

>>54602591
>They will create short term artificial demand for housing with immigration
This. There is 0 (ZERO) organic demand for housing with the current interest rates making 20x median salary suburb bungalows totally priced out for first time buyers. Nobody can buy, so all they can do is crank the immigration dial to 12 and import far too many humans for the available roofs to accommodate and prey the pico-giga-mega-turbo bubble doesn't pop from Canadians realizing the average leaf bank is even more illiquid than SVB

Any domestic or global black swan event that pumps the breaks on immigration would send housing -87% within 48hrs

>>54602723
Canada is going the UK way. You can't really blan Trudeau, he is nothing but a slave who was tasked to ake line go up, Canada was in deep socio-economic shit before he took over, in 2014 Canadian GDP dropped, after 40+ years of below replacement TFR.

>>54602798
They also need overseas buyers because due to high taxes prices are utterly detached from net wages.
Only people in who earn in low tax countries can buy at these prices.
If they had the same job inside Canada their net wages wouldn't get them anywhere near.
It's a nightmare system that farms their own population and distributes the proceeds to outsiders.

>>54602777
> well paid immigrants
Canada isn't US, the immigrants in Canada are all doing cheap jobs that they consider low grade in their own countries.
Canada doesn't any vast industries or tech sector, most of the jeets are working as clerks, kebab sellers and cleaners

>>54602723
Stop ascribing power to these people that they will never have. Our governments are not omnipotent. This is single biggest and most important of the illusions they try to feed us. They have no solutions to our problems; their shameful mismanagement is indeed the ultimate source of most of the problems we face.

They have no acceptable policy or legal levers left to pull. Trudeau and Freeland don't control the economy. Having comically jumped the shark 2020-2022, neither does the BoC.

None of these entities have a solution for us. But as always, the free market of free people and free enterprises does. And the profit involved for whichever entity or group of entities can correctly solve the problem of implementation is almost inconceivable. That alone tells you it will happen.

>>54602798
You can literally see Trudeau coming to power and openning up the flood gates on that graph.

>>54602844
I work in tech in Canada. Since about the lat 4 years almost everyone I work with is Indian or Chinese.
They get in low quality developers on work visas. These dev are then stuck until they get citizenship, which takes 8 years.
During that time the company gives them a real term cut every single year. They can't move easily as the work visa is sponsored by the company.
That is one "dark pattern".

>>54602845
You were right until you said muh free market has solutions.
The Canadian free market has acid redux causing kebabs, nothing else

>>54601736
If fucking only the bubble was popping, holy shit. For those who don't know, the government made sure our housing bubble didn't pop in 2008 despite massive risks. Housing is the 2nd pillar of the canadian economy, the first being oil.

>>54602547
>Our institutions have no historical knowledge of violence, and we treat each other well in this place.
Natives still have living grandparents who were forcefully placed in residential schools. The government just froze the bank accounts of protestors (and Joe Sixpack who donated $15) for honking horns and putting bouncy castles up on Wellington Street. In my province of Quebec, it was illegal to walk outside, by yourself, on an isolated country road, past 8pm just last year.

Your post represents typical leaf ignorance and hubris. You've not traveled the world, or you'd know that even liberals in leftist, progressive nations like fucking Sweden think we're insane. I went on a cruise with a bunch of rich liberals from Maine, and they nearly fell out of their chairs when I clearly popped their false view of canadian government when I told them you can have your bank account frozen if you disagree with the establishment.

>>54602845
Canada has no free market. Later today I will buy my food from one of your oligarchic supermarkets, who all fix prices. I will pay using my account at one of your 4 banks. I will drive on shit roads. I will pay high taxes.

>>54602752
Ironically, canada qol is far worse than in most 3rd world countries right now already. As for surpassing india shitting streets-levels of discomfort, I would 100% expect this within 20 years, rather than it never happening in a lifetime.

>>54602887
Yeah same in US but on a larger scale.

>>54602916
The USA does have high tech salary.
Canada doesn't, even if you are senior at a good company. Benefits are also far lower.
Net wages are even lower, and in CAD, which doesn't go far.

>>54602910
All for muh "line go up bro". All hail ze holy free market and libchudism.

>>54602902
Why is canada so much like australia?
Australia is mining and houses.
And theres lots of indians and chinese.

>>54602845
Tell me what year you bought your first house in and how many you own now.

>>54602910
>you can have your bank account frozen if you disagree with the establishment
That's not quite accurate, though.

>>54602941
I blame angloids and their inbred genes.

>>54602956
because...?

>>54602940
All leaf boomers give a shit about is GEE DEE PEE. They think this cooked-book golden calf number translates to quality of life and happiness. Even while their quality of life slides into the Weimar Republic levels before their very eyes.

>>54602959
It is anglo. Canada had the same interest rate in all provinces yet the anglo part had the worst of the bubble. All Anglo countries have housing bubbles and crippled, highly financialized economies.

>>54602912
This.
It always amazes me that there are people who live in this shithole and still don't know, it's not exactly a secret.

>>54602933
US is run by Banks who own all these corporations, US also prints $, US is the HQ of Global tech sector, they pay more because they can.

>>54601736
All small downpayment aka risky mortgages must be insured by CMHC aka the government. CMHC protects all mortgages and is backed by the government. It is literally impossible for housing to fail in Canada unless the entire government and country collapses as one of the core functions of government is to prop up housing via CMHC. CMHC even now invests in housing itself to help new home buyers.

tldr you guys have no idea what you're doing and will lose all your money. Shorting Canadian housing is retarded. There is no 2008 scenario possible in Canada.

>>54602987
Again, I'm deeply concerned my children went through the same education system as people like this.

>>54602978
Even the products on offer are very limited. There are just a few choices for canned staples. It's the company store. You work, get half after tax, pay for a home and enough food to work some more.

>>54603009
USA had insured it all, they had a crash.
Canada cannot backstop using CAD.

>>54602910
Canada is the worst country on Earth, arguably worse than Somalia, since at least on the Horn you are free.

>>54603046
They can backstop it using future taxes same as America did. CMHC financials are healthy and are propped up by flood of new buyers aka immigrants. If you short Canada or its banks you WILL LOSE MONEY. Full stop. Other people have tried and all failed. You can not short an entire modern Western government.

>>54601736
Canada has some of the worst housing prices in the world. Where I live any basic standalone family home is 1 million, subdivision homes are 750k, and shitty 1 bedroom apartments in old buildings are 300k and this is just in some random small town, not even a big city. The city is like 10x worse prices

>>54603046
There won't be a crash... Stress test and government won't let it happen
It's not doomsday you retards

>>54602941
The answer is Jews

>>54603074
> same as America did
The Canadian education system really worries me. USD is the reserve currency.

>>54602266
You sre either a jew or a philosophy student, I don't trust you either way.

>>54602967
Name someone who has had their bank account frozen solely due to their views regarding "the establishment". Financing terrorists is not a form of speech.

>>54603074
>You can not short an entire modern Western government.
Soros, UK.

>>54602910
Government, government, government. Question for you: whose services do you interact with more frequently, those of Google or Apple or those of the Canadian government? Whose services do you DEPEND on more in the actual moments of your day to day life? We should think about power in our world in real terms, and not in terms of narrative. States and nations are ONLY narrative.

Our government has become so large and so inconceivably complicated that it exists mostly for its own sake; it's an abstraction. It hardly DOES anything, and yet it consumes half our productive energy via taxation and it employs about 30% of our productive population. And it MEANS very little to our day-to-day lives, yet all it does is continue to expand. There are physical realities that will prevent this from continuing.

>>54602912
>he's not already participating in the global parallel economy of hard monies
>he still uses our banks for anything beyond facilitating simple bill payments, even after Freeland showed the oligarchy's hand re the illegal freezing of accounts in Feb 2022

Fren, as long as they run this country like a work house I'll keep taking their scrip and converting what I don't exchange for my daily bread into interesting and new currencies that derive their intrinsic values from new sources. One can still reside here and be a global market participant. As a young man, I understand that older market participants have obligations beyond rent and food which prevent them from speculating like I do. But it is exactly this lack of obligations which gives the young our power at this historical moment.

>>54602948
Our housing market is fake; it's entirely built on debt that can only barely be serviced. Knowing this, why would I ever choose to participate in it? I'll be buying on sale, and I have all the time in the world to wait. The banks to whom these unpayable debts are owing do not have all the time in the world, however

>>54603106
0/8 b8

>>54603112
>no argument
Exactly.

>>54603097
I agree it is frightening. Can you believe that some believe aren't even capable of googling what a bond is?

>>54603106
Renounce the Talmud

>>54602967
It only applies if you cause disruption to the globohomo like the truckers protests. I disagree with Canadian government and my bank account is not frozen and I am 100% sure they know about me because this website is a honey pot

>>54603119
Do it.

>>54603118
This again is a genuinely poor response.

>>54603126
I accept your surrender.

>>54603134
Renounce the Talmud, Jew

>>54603143
Still waiting.

>>54603085
Rates have already risen by more than the original stress test assumptions

>>54602134
I got accepted to uni in the worst time in leaf history. Tried moving to Halifax to attend Dal (not doxxing myself since it looks like I'm not fucking going anyways) and the rental market was beyond fucked. Jeets post ads for (hindi only) roommates and there's quite literally nothing available. They churn 5 room townhouses into 18 person bug pods for the jeets who literally just throw mattresses on the floor and sleep shoulder to shoulder. We aren't approaching Indian street shitter tier quality of life, we're already there. And just a few years ago Halifax was considered a low demand and quiet leaf port city.

Imagine the smell.

>>54603190
Yeah... And guess what? I can still afford my payments

>>54603286
OK boomer

>>54602710
you speak so vaguely and have a strange optimism for a country that is obviously in the shitter
are my taxes paying for you to post this? have you not seen the "fuck trudeau" stickers on everyone's trucks? or are you in ontario unironically posting about the potential of this country?
the west has some potential if we cut off the lecherous east

>>54603286
Amazing anecdote, but not data.

>>54603106
>people parking trucks and dancing to music are terrorists
why would anyone entertain you in a debate

>>54603109
>whose services do you interact with more frequently, those of Google or Apple or those of the Canadian government?
Same thing. CSIS is monitoring your device right now using Google and Apple services. Bill C-11 just passed, which means the government has direct control over your advertising feed and determine what content you get to watch. Oh, you don't subscribe to the hottest, latest LGBTQAAP++ BIPOC Afro-trans newsletter? No worries, the CBC will force you to have your feed bloated with these 7 view channels regardless.
>https://youtu.be/pKEGnAo4Eqg
Even soulless, corporate youtube are telling you that you have no liberty and control.

>We should think about power in our world in real terms, and not in terms of narrative
I'm not one for ad hominems, but this is an insanely stupid statement. Again, injuns getting ripped from native reserves from their parents and your bank account getting frozen for being a political opponent is not a "narrative" you goof. These are real world, living consequences to living under a government with a Trotskyist-style approach to policing and control.

>>54603109
>And it MEANS very little to our day-to-day lives, yet all it does is continue to expand. There are physical realities that will prevent this from continuing.
For your sake, I hope that you're a jew. Believing in a free market lmao. When the all-white elementary school you went is now consists entirely of brown kids, they force your white son to be castrated, and invent new scamdemics to print 0s in their own bank accounts and inject mRNA software into your body - vote with your wallet to boycott the WOKE government!

Also, if you're a white male you can throw away your optimism in being a part of any cool solutions that require massive institutional funding. A lot of white men are political simply due to this fustration. Especially when their brown and jewish counterparts actively make the world worse with said institutional funding.

If you think the government will let AI replace them and threaten their power, you are retarded. AI, while you can't be faulted to be optimistic about it, will just be used to reinforce the narratives that secure the power of our "elites". I thought you were a Paul Town acolyte at first but the "free market" has nothing to do with any of this, your argument would make more sense if you said it's just the inevitable effects of different and new technologies. Game theory revolving around Man and Technics.

>>54602723
AI left canada 5 years ago because the people who had the power to promote canadian leadership in AI kept fucking around instead. All they had to do was pay hinton and bengio and form a government AI taskforce but nope, instead they basically forced them to sell out and stop actually working on AI proper and on making research-hostile decisions like what happened to MIL or hinton's whole shtick, or how they formed all kinds of grants for AI startups but only gave the money to startups who went to the US and never came back, ,because they evaluated candidates based on 'stardom potential' as they always do (it's the only way canadian government knows how to evaluate anything) and everything in the US is considered fancier (if you look closely, you will also find that virtually all our "leaders", be it in government or banking or at the head of big tech companies, are US-educated from ivy league schools).
Now AI has gone to silicon valley, as has all other tech, and it's never coming back.

>>54601736
All these countries - US, UK, Canada, Australia are at best ~20 years away from irreversible transformation into Turd World both demographically and economically.

>>54603247
This kek, saw this firsthand here in US

>>54603391
They were breaking the law, idiot.

>>54603481
Your low IQ should be a criminal offense.

>>54603286
Congrats on using 89% of your salary to maintain your musky studio bug pod. Many Canadians however are increasingly using lines of credit just to make rent, and soup kitchen lines are up by like 800%. It takes intergalactic levels of cope to presume leaf housing isn't a hair trigger away from a diabolical plunge into hell

You had 13 years.

>>54603422
Dude silicon Valley is dead, it's just empty offices there now.

>>54603487
My IQ is high, but outlawing the less cognitively fortunate would be a dumb move.

>>54603492
Leaf GDP was declining in 2014, then Trudeau came to power in 2015, kikes tasked him to make the line go up, so he decided to import half a million people per year.

>>54603161
Thank you for confirming what you are.

>>54603543
This move saved the Canadian pension and insurance system for the time being. The Canadian state depends upon the housing market.

detached homes in major urban areas aren't down nearly as much and early indication for spring is that the worst is over and prices are coming back

if you bought a piece of shit cottage 3 hours outside the city for $750k because you thought you could WFH forever, that's on you.

t. detached owner in the 416

>>54603564
> Saved
Increased future liabilities as it's a pyramid scheme

>>54603391
Imagine a world without Jews

>>54603481
protests are supposed to break the law you bootlicking nigger, but for whatever reason that wasn't a problem when alcoholic natives were blockading rail lines or niggers and their sympathizers were blocking traffic to support a dead fentanyl addict

>>54603492
Did $130k down on a $500k. Payments are $1300 / mo. That's cheaper than ANY rent in the city right now. I'm doubling my payments and trying to get rid of my debt to the jew

>>54603548
You can't do it, can you?

>>54603599
Do the crime, do the time. Simple as.

>>54603639
so why the selective enforcement?

>>54603543
It's so funny how leafs still don't realize Trudea was actually importing ~1.2 million shitskins since 2015. The half of a million figure stems for retard leafs thinking our immigration solely stemmed from the skilled immigration visas (who are all cooks btw). Now it's 1.2 for skilled immigrants and probably another million through all the remaining nigger importing mechanisms.

If we had 0 immigration before 2022, it would only take until 2032 for the country to be majority immigrant (shitskin) under current jeet importing rates. But no um the stupid free market goy in this thread said uh *checks notes* ChatGPT will solve this.

>>54603626
It must be sad to lick boots every morning. Or is it some kind of fucked up erotic fixation? Please just burn your Talmud and then eat a shotgun.

>>54603710
>still can't do it

>>54603639
Yes charge indians and antifa with terrorism offenses for costing people thousands of jobs by shutting the entire countries rail system down.

>>54603323
I have nothing but optimism for this country, and I'm in Ontario. Fuck Trudeau, fuck Freeland and fuck the Canadian oligarchy. But I love this country and I love Canadians.

Look at the big picture. There is incredible wealth in this country. We have a population of educated people who are kind to eachother. We have abundant resources and a geography that separates us completely from the conniving and bickering of the old world. Our institutions have no historical knowledge of violence. Our national identity and culture are mercifully malleable, which positions us well for social change. Our gifts are physical and real, while our problems are issues of resource delegation that will be solved by market participants properly incentivized to do so.

>>54603401
>CSIS is monitoring your device right now

I'm sure they are. I have committed no crimes and I will continue to commit no crimes -- those who surveil me should be ashamed of themselves. Really: shame on you for how you treat free and good people in our country like criminals. What a waste of your energy.

>CBC
Don't kid yourself -- no one watches CBC. It's just a black hole that the regime keeps throwing their fake money at. Real people tuned out long ago, and now they're just talking to themselves.

I have nothing but liberty and control over my own life. My mind and body are clean and free and I am a productive and valuable person in this place. I have to take, and they can take nothing from me without shaming themselves.

The government has to expend resources to exert real power in the real world, and they're out of resources. Indian stuff? Happened when people still gave The State the social capital to do things like that. Banks? These clowns know that domestic and foreign investment stops if they play that card again. I'm sure The Regime got a stern talking to from many of their financiers after that episode. That was clearly a move of desperation

>>54603639
>>54603599
>>54603481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1j5ruyLvVI
In the US handing out pamphlets to people and peacefully protesting is in fact a form of anti-corporate terrorism and is extremely illegal if it costs any company that sells any animal product 10,000$ for example. Felony terrorist charges.

>>54603701
Nah you can check the net immigration numbers, it is mostly 200k to 500k per year, during covid over million jeets and chinks returned to their shitholes, after covid they came back, thus in 2022, the net immigration was 1 million. In 2021 population had declined to 36M from 38M because of all immigrants returning.

>>54601736
How do I short the Canadian housing bubble?

>>54603794
That's in the US.

>>54603421
Nope, the markets aren't free...but they will be.

Blah blah blah, muh race muh scamdemic muh trans kids muh woke. Just unplug your brain from the garbage; become above the filth of politics. None of it matters to my lived experience, so I don't pollute my mind with it anymore.

>If you think the government will let

If you think that any disruptive change needs to be "allowed" by an incumbent power then you have no idea how the world works. Did the Catholic church "allow" protestantism to take northern Europe following the printing press? Did Walmart "allow" Amazon to take marketshare from them as the internet proliferated? You don't understand how the levers are pulled in our world. It's funny to see you mention game theory when you don't see how the biggest games of all are played

>>54603768
t. paid chink shill who has never set foot on cucknadian soil

>>54603701
Looks like your point has been entirely validated: >>54603799

>>54603861
Quite the contrary, but whatever you say demoralization shill

>>54603768
>We have a population of educated people who are kind to eachother.

Imagine saying that with a straight face after the shit people pulled during COVID. I have no respect for my fellow citizens anymore after the last 3 years. It's disgusting. The only thing that makes me happy now is knowing the same policies these faggots wanted (closing businesses, printing billions to send to people sitting at home) are directly the cause of the inflationary pressures that are boiling people alive and ruining their quality of life. I'm glad they're suffering and can't afford groceries or rent. I won't be truly satisfied until they're all hung for treason, but this is a happy compromise in the interim

>>54603768
>I have nothing but optimism for this country, and I'm in Ontario

Anddddd right there you've totally invalidated your opinion on anything. All "New Canadian" Toronto dwelling parasites like you think Canada is doing fine while you pieces of shit continue to burden us with blatantly crooked politicians because they promise to import your village. The only thing that makes the rest of Canada optimistic is that retards like you will continue to accelerate the decline so rapidly that we might have a chance to convince retarded citycucks outside of Ontario to join with the rurals in Duck Laking the whole country and cleaning the shit off our streets.

If you had a choice between shooting a Jew and a Canadian liberal in the face, but you could only shoot one of them, which would you choose?

>>54603971
The two are generally one and the same but in the hypothetical case they're different, I'd shoot the Canadian liberal twice.

>>54602631
>resource stocks
Any suggestions here?

>>54603974
Haha I thought that would be the answer. One is the order giver and the other the order follower, they say.

>>54603994
If only that was true, it would make things so easy. The good thing about the US is that the enemy isn't your "fellow" man.

>>54603933
This might happen in US in next few decades, but I doubt it will happen in Canada.

>>54603925
>Imagine saying that with a straight face after the shit people pulled during COVID. I have no respect for my fellow citizens anymore after the last 3 years. It's disgusting.

As I stated, our national identity and culture are malleable. The Regime and the various financial interests who prop it up used this to their advantage over the last three years. They shamefully turned good people against one another using social and political mechanisms that we had never seen used here before. Our population had no context for the kinds of things they did to us, so we saw these expressions of social confusion all around and to a greater extent than other countries who knew what it meant to have a government go out of control. I have forgiven those around me for the last three years. They don't know; they can't see. And the rest of your post is re the government/money power, which we both know are deeply shameful elements of this society.

>>54603933
I've been here my whole life and most of my family has been here 100+ years. I'm not going anywhere and i'm making a stand right here. You weak pussies just bitch and moan about the way things are here. The adroit always discover the means of escaping economic and social situations that become unacceptable to them.

How about you be a man and work to improve your own life and the lives of those around you. That's what it means to be a man. Fuck off with your weakling defeatist garbage. Strong people built this country, and strong people will benefit from the failure of weak men and weak institutions.

Surely a poster this base must be Quebecois

>>54604129
Who are you trying to fool, paid chink shill? You couldn't pass for a canadian if you were speaking to ameritards who believe anything.

>>54604255
Why would I be a chink shill? I hate everything about the Chinese state. The worst aspects of the Canadian state are the areas in which it most closely approaches the Chinese model. Our national court jester has expressed his fondness for all things Chinese, which again is no coincidence -- most tyrants tend towards tyranny along similar lines.

>>54603842
>None of it matters to my lived experience, so I don't pollute my mind with it anymore.
>It doesn't matter to me, so why should I care
This is your attitude as a member of a kind well-educated people?

>>54604318
OK chang

>>54602798
>Any domestic or global black swan event that pumps the breaks on immigration would send housing -87% within 48hrs
Serious question: why didn't that happen during Covid then?

>>54604357
Because immigration didn't actually slow down during that time. Immigrants were allowed in without testing and without vaccination, which made for some scandal stories among msm. Exhibit A in pic.

>>54604379
Intermission.

>>54604389
Exhibit B

>>54604129
>As I stated, our national identity and culture are malleable.
>I have no culture expect for what the tv tells me and heres why thats a good thing and hecking empowering
>I have forgiven those around me for the last three years.
>I got fucked in the ass, but don't worry I remembered to turn the other check.

>>54604408
Exhibit C

>>54603835
So youre saying that the US has the first amendment, and Canada has the reason limits clause - but you think you have MORE right to speech than Americans? Now thats rich.

>>54604330

Who does it benefit if I spend my days thinking about trannies teaching schools etc? Why would I waste my energy on things that I cannot change? What would the point be? Part of being a productive person is knowing where to direct one's emotional energy.

My attitude as an educated person is this: the social absurdities here are so unstable that they will collapse under their own weight. The final cause of all of this BS is 15 years of fake money. The meaninglessness of our currencies has made our world meaningless. Look at how this process accelerated following 2008. Consider the cultural shifts that accompanied artificially low interest rates. The meaninglessness of a culture is directly proportional to the meaninglessness of its unit of account. When billions of people exchange the meaningful (their time/their energy) for the meaningless (fiat currencies), the real world itself ceases to mean anything. We see this all around us.

So why would I give a shit what clownworld does? Clownworld is a circus that is rapidly running out of money and social energy with which to support itself. Clearly we're on the precipice of major socio-economic changes -- there are much more interesting questions and issues to ponder than which washrooms our school boards are telling kids to use etc etc

>>54604413
Bullshit. Why would I hold a grudge against these people? What purpose would it serve? If one has to hate, is it best to hate the ignorant or the malicious? I definitely see a lot of ignorance in the people around me, but very little malice. It's only when I look far higher up the social chain here that I begin to see malicious actors, whom I will indeed never forgive for 2020-22 as long as I live.

>>54604495
>>54603835
Heres how the case goes. Youre White and a male. You protest something unkosher. It goes to a human rights tribunal, it goes to the Canadian supreme court. They go hey, look at this law that exists about terrorism and animal rights protests that the US has. Given the freedom of speech shall not be abridged, and they abridged it, maybe we should throw some reasonable limits on White dudes protesting synagogues. Then you get terrorism for handing out a pamphlet, about jews. Tell me that couldnt happen, wont happen and Ill tell you that youre a deluded shill.

>>54603768
You are so fucking delusional.

>>54604501
Good government shill. Here you are, 2 yuans freshly deposited in your account. Don't spend them all in one place.

>>54603443
For UK: Demographically no, economically yes. I don't know enough about the others, but UK is doubtful simply because of the intersection of population density, infrastructure decay, economic decline, and increasingly incapable governance. The UK government simply isn't competent enough to go full dystopia, there's not enough space to cram in another thirty (or even ten) million wogs no-matter how much it's wanted, the ponzi scheme of people selling coffees and tattoos to one another is already exhausted, there are no natural resources beyond coal, and the NHS, et al will soon simply cease to function. So it will fall apart in the next decade or so before demographic transition, a chunk of the pajeets will leave, and the rest will live a life of internecine violence with the white-irish underclass finally freed from the teat of the welfare state and the shackles of the surveillance state. Will be messy.

Canada, USA, Australia may playnout different because they have far more space and actual natural resources worth occupying.

>>54602910
How is this surprising. the English founding stock is american colonist who preferred the boot of the king and moved north. French founding stock is those who remained when the english told them they had 18 months to fuck off to mainly louisiana 20 years prior to that. And then leafs had basically unrestricted immigration to America since then. Any leaf who remained is by default a bootlicker. Leafs in general give an uncanny vibe. I live a few hours off the border been there many times depsite them looking the same as white people in michigan. I would equate them to the white version of insectoid people like chinks. All the aggression has been taken out of them.
What hope does a country have when the conservative party is called the progressive conservative party, The fucking party name is a paradox.
Only place I've gotten yelled at "fuck white people" directed at my group by some roastie, I guess a seeing a dozen white american men is triggering or a rare sight in Toronto

>>54603925
>Imagine saying that with a straight face after the shit people pulled during COVID. I have no respect for my fellow citizens anymore after the last 3 years. It's disgusting. The only thing that makes me happy now is knowing the same policies these faggots wanted (closing businesses, printing billions to send to people sitting at home) are directly the cause of the inflationary pressures that are boiling people alive and ruining their quality of life. I'm glad they're suffering and can't afford groceries or rent.
This is a real person, thats how real people feel about what was done.
>>54604129
This is a shill, likely government propaganda. Beautiful earlobes.
>As I stated, our national identity and culture are malleable.
Canada has no core identity, no mainstream culture which is what makes it the first post national state. - Trudeau
>They shamefully turned good people against one another using social and political mechanisms that we had never seen used here before.
>I have forgiven those around me for the last three years.
Yea state propaganda, damage control on societal instability. This is not what communist leftists think which is what hes larping as, they want the system to be destroyed too along with people like me.

>>54604501
>Why would I waste my energy on things that I cannot change?
>Clearly we're on the precipice of major socio-economic changes --
>It can't and won't change so why worry, and it is going to change by itself overnight when the inflation runs out.
Pick a narrative, in a post inflation world the government,banks and other institutions that want to castrate your children and steal your money if you speak out against them, will still exist. In fact they will be emboldned, as they oust you as a scapegoat.
The mistake you are making is that you assume any outside factor will wake them from their collective insanity.
>Why would I hold a grudge against these people? What purpose would it serve? If one has to hate, is it best to hate the ignorant or the malicious?
I hate both at the same time, think bigger.
Not to mention this is prime slave mentality, molding you to eat up any bullshit they put out. They could put you in a camp and you would not raise a hand against them.
Reminder righteous anger is not a sin, only excessive anger, wrath is.

How is it possible to have children in Canada with housing prices?
Or is Canada's long term policy simply to grow adults in other countries then import them there. Seems like most countries would become politically unstable same with australia and kiwis

>>54601736
Imagine the timeline where boomers just maintained what their predecessors gave them, and didn't sell off all their nations.

>>54603842
>Blah blah blah, muh race muh scamdemic muh trans kids muh woke.
More proof this is state propaganda damage control, here enjoy some army recruitment propaganda damage control and compare them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqa8niV83Q
This channel is called Racist Cops. Hes a drill instructor, and he has (without mentioning it) official army approval to record on base, during training sessions. This is the most obvious giveaway that the army controls his channel and uses it to do things - such as defend the 4 star transsexual general they serve when people in foreign countries call their niggers out in a mall for being in Poland to spread faggotry and racemixing. The Poland video discourages recruitment, so instead of ignoring it, they definitely cant address it at a state level like the Pentagon or something counters random Polish guy so they have these shill propaganda army channels try to mock the guy for supposedly not being Polish first language. Yea, I bet he left the US and went to Poland to get away from niggers and trannies, so the US sends its niggers and trannies to Poland.
Anyways anyone you see going "muh trans kids muh woke" is a shill. How to trigger state propagandists, compare their soldiers to trannies.

>>54604649
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1q4sRriMP8
This is what US army recruitment propaganda looks like. Just read the comments
>WTF IM GONNA ENLIST RIGHT NOW CUZ THIS VIDEO
tldr

>>54604649
racist cops, angry cops whatever its like a leftist named the channel, like when a new sockpuppet shill account pops up and hes named "averagewhiteguy". Just lazy.

>>54604646
See >>54604389
regarding cucknada's plan.
Raising children in canada is easy if you're destitute and a single mum also black. Then you get paid literally more than mid-tier company CEOs just to stay home all day with the kids.
If you're working class or above, forget about it though. You aren't eligible for any aid program yet cost of life is too prohibitive for anything.

>>54604694
Heres a big tip that could genuinely change your life. If you apply for disability in Canada and are turned down, but years later, say 20 years later you get accepted - you then get backed pay for all the years they didnt support you. Sort of an important detail to know when youre 10 years down the line, easily able to get it because your medical condition is 10x worse the blacks and they actually cant deny you, and you dont get that 10 years of pay.

>>54604737
>you then get backed pay for all the years they didnt support you.
Only if the disability extends that long, typically that won't work this way.

>>54604545
Good post. Talking to Canadians is indeed a disconcerting experience. Kind of like talking to Swedes except they aren’t remotely intelligent

>>54604758
Well put

>>54601756
Only reason id consider visiting. I’ve heard it’s also a great place to find well priced brown literal whores , If you need to resort to paying

>>54604754
Well yea same disability. Say it gets worse, or is a medical condition which progressively worsens. Fairly common.

>>54604776
Yeah, that's true.

>>54604569
I love Canadians, I love Canada, I love my life here, and I want us to prosper just the same as you. I hate our government and I hate our central bank. If you read what I'm writing here you can see that these ideas are much more dangerous to both of those entities than the tired "for or against" issues they like to direct our attention towards. And re identity, I'm making an observation and not a judgement. That ship sailed long before I was born when our current King Retard's dad took power.

>>54604610
In a post hyperinflation world the government and the banks cease to exist, because the tool with which they exert their control over the population (the CAD) ceases to exist. I have much righteous anger, though I choose to direct this emotional energy more accurately. And I'm saying that I personally can't change our school system for example, so why would I choose to care? It'll change without my help, because the economic environment that brought this retarded shit into being no longer exists.

>>54604649
Why would I watch this? I don't care about the army or what it does or doesn't do. It doesn't matter to my subjective reality. None of what you're talking about matters to me. Poland/US/recruitment? Why would I care? Why would you?

>>54603842
Your first post was about how to tether currency to actual value creators. That is a 2000+ year struggle. It's not the free market, idiot.

>>54603799
500k is the official number. You're not accounting for the 500k+ "temp" worker and student visas, which obviously don't leave, bringing the figure to 1m/yr. Not to mention the unknown hundreds of thousands of Haitians who made it through Roxham road. The true immigration number is closer to ~1.2m/yr, making Canada the nation with the most aggressive immigration policy in the western world

>>54604799
I hate Canadians, I hate Canada, America gives free speech protections to people who are ambiguously American as German police wont request info on an American for breaking German speech laws. Nobody should admit they are Canadian online. I definitely dont want Canada or Canadians to prosper. Comfortable people dont support higher purposes, the only solution for Canada is ironically the same thing the cancer is doing to it. The national rail shutdown was the best thing that ever happened in the last 50 years.

>>54604799
>In a post hyperinflation world the government and the banks cease to exist, because the tool with which they exert their control over the population (the CAD) ceases to exist.
You are either delusional or insane.
You can literally see this during Covid, government and banks used crises to consolidate even more power.
>I love Canadians, I love Canada
No you don't you retard. You don't even believe in a candian culture. You don't even believe in the existence of Canadians, any scab that comes across the border is just as "Canadian" in your eyes, because you have a weak and centrally controlled sorry "malleable" culture.

>>54602718
Canada is about shawarma, and it's delicious.

38/39 anons agree canada sucks

>>54604841
You can see it in Montreal.
Traffic here has gone from busy at peak times to busy all the time.

>>54603799
Here's the thread. Years ago.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131509836/
>>54603768
The reason why it's clear you're a shill is that Jews run the show and all technology downstream from jews is to corrupt the goys for Moloch. Allegedly we went to the moon 1969 with pen and paper basically. Now? What's our highest technological good? Good edits? Effective advertisements? Automated deboonkers? Kys

>>54604852
What this other guy "loves" about Canada is him riding high on assets in exchange for the country being destroyed. He loves effort free gains.
He's got real estate, as sure as eggs are eggs.

>>54604909
*goon edits
>>54604841
Basically this

And also it's fine to be optimistic about the world or even your country. But that guy is delusional. If it were to get better, it would get much worse first. Maybe it's better than your village where fecal matter coats every object.

>>54604851
Canada was heaven on earth and probably the best country in the world prior to Pierre Trudeau. He introduced the multiculturalism act and shoehorned globohomo into our legal code. It was a land of gorgeous, beautiful landscape, with a bustling energy sector that provided prosperity, world class universities that were affordable, and nutrient rich farmlands (which have now been terraformed into cancer causing seed oils and soi production). Canada is what a country is to a shitcoin that went from 1000x to 0.

Boomers got to enjoy a European hyperborean/Atlantean free and prosperous nation, and have sold out their own offspring for a cheap buck, to an aggressive level the likes of which not seen in any other decadent western nation. I also hate Canada, not just from the perspective of how much of a hellscape it is, but from the fact that this place was once a paradise being the salt that's rubbed on the wound.
>>54604903
Yep, I'm from south shore and have moved away from the nightmare of a city. I remember the Mercier bridge and decarie Blvd being AIDS even 10 years ago, can't imagine how unlivable the jeets have even made it now

Any canucks that have moved to the USA or Europe? Is the grass greener?

>>54604954
Its called White Genocide. When Tibet was lowered 10% in population by Chinese immigration it was called out globally as an atrocity. Canada has gone from 97% to less than 50%. 53% self identified 7 years ago which means sub 50% because at least 3% of those were half indians and mixed race simply marking down White on sheet.

>>54604987
Add this to the list
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

>>54604969
Your choices are Poland for pro-NATO or Hungary for pro-Putin. Every other country will let the flood in without trying to stop it through any reasonable measures.

>>54604987
>italians were white before 1970

>>54605010
>>54604969
Also if youre already living on like 8k a year welfare all you have to do is get a job and youl have an increased standard of living in those countries compared to what you currently have in Canada. Why anyone would work a job and pay taxes to the Canadian government I have no idea. Now thats slavery.

Some faggot jannie banned me for bringing up Canada’s internal issues, watch yourself anons

>>54605021
You will never be White shlomo. Yes Italians are White. Portuguese are the only European population so far gone by racemixing that they arent even White anymore, few and far between. They had a tradition of mixing with their freed slaves, is what it is, they played themselves. Portuguese WERE White.

>>54602844

Even specialized jobs in Canada in finance, tech and legal fields are underpaid compared to the US.

The same job that pays 150k USD in a low cost of living city in the US with less taxes pays 70k CAD at most in Canada and employers expect you to stfu and be grateful for the opportunity to be a slave while you save up for a down payment on an overpriced house in a neighborhood that will be overrun by niggers within 5 years making it unprofitable from the get go.

>>54604805
This 2000+ year struggle is coming to a close. Money has always been information technology; it's accounting that tracks who holds what claims to energy and resources. We're entering the era of triple ledger bookkeeping, and because of this the whole world is changing.

>>54604851
>neat.jpg

>>54604852
Absolutely, desire to consolidate power was the reason behind all of the actions they took (unless one is stupid enough to believe that The State really cares THAT much for granny's health). You seem to think that this consolidation took place according to some big coherent masterplan -- I see it as a whole bunch of competing vested interests grabbing as much as they can from eachother before the music stops. Meanwhile governments and banks by their very nature produce no value -- they are mere delegators of resources. Their wealth is a mere derivative of our labour. We hold the real creative energy and thus the real wealth, and you will watch as the economy rearranges itself to reflect this actual fact.

>No you don't you retard
I absolutely do. Maybe it's retarded like you say, but I really do deeply love the people here. They're dopey and naive and vulgar and tasteless sometimes (all of which qualities were on full display 2020-22), but they're my brothers and sisters and they've been good to me my whole life and so I love them. I don't know what you're talking about re coming across the boarder/centrally controlled culture etc. I haven't proffered any definition of "Canadian" here, and nor will I. That's all coming from you.

>>54604909
Our highest technological goods are fusion energy and AGI, both of which have almost certainly already been achieved by some party somewhere, and both of which herald the end of the crude world of industrial nation states.

>>54604954
This guy is right. All I'm saying is that young, high energy people will rebuild things here. The foundations are all still sound.

>>54605052
The mediocrity is overwhelming.
Better dev skip through to the USA, the less capable stay.
They have no negotiating power so salaries remain low.
When recruitment agents contact me for roles I immediately ask if they are paying Canadian or North American wages.

>>54604909
From that thread
>but nobody has heard about a white person immigrating there in the last 20 years
Wanna know what's funny? My buddy from Spain with 2 MBas in engineering met his gf here, requested to renew his visa, and was completely ghosted by the government. He had signed letters of referall and recommendation from multiple execs of the largest engineering firms in multiple provinces, called the offices daily to inquire about his requests, and was inevitably turned down. Meanwhile 77IQ browns are ushered in by the tsunami waves.

This place is a maniacal and malevolent anti-European WEF slave colony. Get the fuck out, or start stacking lead, if you haven't already

>>54604987
Yep. I also believe Canada is the testing grounds of how fast and aggressively they can push the thresholds of demographic shifts in the shortest amount of time possible. We've long usurped countries I used to think were bad like Sweden, France, Germany, etc...

>>54605084
>Our highest technological goods are fusion energy and AGI,
>Our highest technological goods are two pieces of tech that don't exist yet
Yeah well my highest technological good is fairy dust and homeopathy.

>see it as a whole bunch of competing vested interests grabbing as much as they can from eachother before the music stops.
You agree with me but somehow you reach the exact opposite conclusions, of reality.

>We hold the real creative energy and thus the real wealth, and you will watch as the economy rearranges itself to reflect this actual fact.
>Our centrally controlled economy will rearrange to dispose the people in power, and they will allow this because ... they have to ok
Enjoy the no-knock raid because you didn't welcome the immigrants hard enough, you bigot.

>but they're my brothers and sisters and they've been good to me my whole life and so I love the
> I have forgiven those around me for the last three years.
Now you are just contradicting yourself.
I apologize, you aren't a bot, you are just the biggest retard to ever disgrace this board.
And that's saying something.

>>54605143
I'm sorry that image isn't blurry enough for me to read, can you process it some more.

>>54605084
If you're not from Quebec, larping as if Canada still has an identity, or larping as if "your brother and sisters" aren't being replaced by a factor of 10 is just a larp. Go to the local elementary school bus stop and watch the kids getting on the bus. Just do that. Are you White? All the things you're optimistic about are transformations that are happening globally and will have the most pronounced effect (as in where you can benefit) in the States. In all your cope there is nothing specific to Canada.

>>54605143
Thats why its good to think of Canada as the canary in the coal mine. The faster Canada collapses the faster all the White people flood over the border into the US as refugees, angry and vengefully spreading their resentment to American Whites who will then become extremely radicalized in a very short amount of time. Essentially it will be as if South Africa had a land border with the US. I know people from South Africa, theyre on a whole different level. They know niggers torture and rape their families, they dont care if niggers die.

>>54603247
University of Guelph has on campus housing for something like 4,000 students. This year they didn't rent any of them to Canadian students so they could rent them all instead to International students who are paying like $40,000 a year to get a degree in bee keeping. The neighbourhoods surrounding the school are all rental houses and they are all way above capacity - like 7 jeets to a house each paying $1000 a month. Actual Canadian students who want to attend the school are forced to drive an hour each way.

>>54605143
>>54605181
Apologies

>>54602752
I'm probably going to live for another 70 years. It will happen before then. Canada won't "collapse" dramatically but it will be a disgusting eternal decline much like Argentina or Greece

>>54605217
that prediction didn't exactly come true now did it.

>>54605241
The timing is obviously poor, but the thesis is correct. Do you expect Ranjesh and Tarshawn to man the trenches in Taiwan?

>>54605208
Foreign students should be banned.
If a university can't fund itself without subsidies by selling citizenship then they should close their doors.

>>54605196
The South Africans I know fleed to Canada when Mandela took power and were super liberals who extolled how great Mandela was. It's a jewish mindrot.

>>54605208
do you unironcally think that student visas only became a thing under trudeau?

>>54605255
The system isn't that self-aware unironically, we are now on the third generation of brainwashing, that level of introspection in beyond them.
They drank their own kool-aid
Expect some mao level shit like killing all the sparrows to catch on soon, and they will act shocked when it fails.

>>54605196
that would never happen. they enjoy the humiliation ritual
I went to a Marlies(hockey) game while I was there. not a minority in sight. But the cute kids contest was won by the only chink in the building and then every 15 minutes a nigger dressed in mapleleaf gear appeared on the jumbotron and told all the white ppl to behave or they will be kicked out. Some sort of weird humiliation ritual

>>54605241
It's already happened, wtf are you saying. All the big right-wing accounts you follow on twitter are literally super jew zionists doing performative Hitlerism to get you to die in a war for Israel. Elon has revived and pumped these accounts, who are all funded by Peter Theil. Retard.

>>54605261
This is a picture of Nelson Mandelas funeral. Numerous world leaders are in attendance. Its a big blurry and its been so many years, but from memory Obama was there, along with Stephen Harper at the time
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/harper-canadian-delegation-en-route-to-south-africa-for-mandela-tributes-1.2455842
Merkel, I forget which French president but they sent theirs. All of these world leaders showed up to say that they support and condone the methods used by Nelson Mandela to achieve what he did. Thats the point to take in here.

>>54601756
Indian maybe
Asian yes so long as your white and fit

>>54605301
>>54605261
This is what all those world leaders condone and support, and encourage Canadians do.

>>54605308
>>54605261
Stephen Harper supported this. You know who else supports this, Pierre Poilievre and Trudeau, and the pajeet communist. They all do. Everyone who is a politician supports terrorism.

>>54605161

>Our highest technological goods are two pieces of tech that don't exist yet

I concede that that was speculation, though we'll see what the future holds. We're so obviously on the precipice of something here.

>You agree with me but somehow you reach the exact opposite conclusions, of reality.

We're observing the same reality and we're drawing different conclusions from it. Congrats, you've discovered a big reason why market participants engage in discourse and why price discovery of both financial assets and ideas takes place.

>Enjoy the no-knock raid
Fantasy

>Now you are just contradicting yourself.
Do you hate members of your family because they go through tough times and act shitty towards you? Come on now. Learn how to love. Hate is easy, but the same institutional forces who teach us how to hate have done their best to make us forget about love. Real love makes you a terrible consumer. It's outside of their control, so they hate it.

>>54605183
When have I made any claims about Canadian identity either way? I'm not even talking about that -- you guys are. And yes these changes are happening all around, but I see Canada being better positioned than most nations for what's probably coming. On that we disagree I guess. But that's OK.

>>54605292
>All the big right-wing accounts you follow on twitter are literally super jew zionists doing performative Hitlerism to get you to die in a war for Israel.
>you follow on twitter
Yikes, do you really think these sock puppets have any real following?
Do you look at reddit, or myspace too?
I actually talk to people, no one is excited about fighting the Ukrainian forever war, it's all pushed from the top down, their is even less enthusiasm to fight an actual shooting war with the chinese.
The golden goose of western nationalism is well and truly cooked, good luck finding new cannon fodder.
They even report it, recruiting numbers for the military are at record lows in the US.

>>54602752
>And that wont stop until canadas qol is worse than indias. Which wont happen in your lifetime.
lol, lmao

>>54603247
They're ruining this country and most people don't care
Imagine the smell in another decade

Oh and fun fact to tie the thread together, Reagan and Thatcher both supported Pol Pot while in exile, after - after - he had committed his atrocities and genocide. So next time some guy shoots some niggers, or a few kikes die - you wont get any tears from me. Imagine being so petty as to think 1 state senator, Clementa Pinckney, matters more than literal millions of Cambodians.

>>54605346
they wanted the khmer rogue to undermine vietcong influence in the area. is this your 1st day with world politicks?

>>54605346
Thatcher also supported Pinochet.
And she said she'd never deal with the IRA while meeting them in secret.

>>54605373
He was an enemy of japan yea. Okay so why didnt we support Hitler against Stalin.Rhetorical question you know the answer even if you wont admit it.

>>54605329
>We're so obviously on the precipice of something here.
Fantasy
>Congrats, you've discovered a big reason why market participants engage in discourse and why price discovery of both financial assets and ideas takes place.
Fantasy, there is a reason in civilized countries usury is banned
>Enjoy the no-knock raid
A painful reality coming to a neighborhood near you, you sound like those back-the-blue boomers during the trucker riots giving roses to cops. We all know what happened there.

>When have I made any claims about Canadian identity either way?
>We have a population of educated people who are kind to eachother.
>Our national identity and culture are mercifully malleable,
>As I stated, our national identity and culture are malleable.
Once again you contradict your earlier statements, not used to a board with ID's eh?

>Come on now. Learn how to love. Hate is easy,
>the same institutional forces who teach us how to hate have done their best to make us forget about love.
They preach love because love doesn't lead to any change, they want you to reject hatred because hatred gives you motivation to change the world around you. More slave morality nonsense they feed the lower classes.But they will hate you if you dare to stand up against them, and will sic there dogs upon you if you don't submit. You are asking to love an abuser as they continue to abuse you because you are too cowardly to stand for something. Forgiveness is not forgetfulness and there is no Justice without punishment.
Faggot

>>54605379
The IRA has leftist elements so its easy for a conservative to oppose them.
>>54605373
Just want to stress that he had killed everyone who had no callouses on their hands for they were not farmers, killed everyone who lived in a city (probably you, not me) for being tainted by capitalism, and everyone who could speak a foreign language. Mao killed everyone who had glasses because they could read and that meant intellectual. I tend to confuse those, pretty sure Pol Pot is the foreign languages. Anyways, so hes killed those millions of people and youre just allowed to support him and that doesnt say anything about you? It doesnt say you support what hes done? If we were to apply this as a moral principal in all discussions I would have a lot of fun making you do backflips for me.

>>54605292
who? Lil benny and the dailygoyim. no one cares about his zionism, turns people off.
It's not crowder, freedom caucus, mises caucus, Randlet, or Tucker.
Hannity has no audience under age 50.
Rush is dead, does Beck still do shit?
crenshaw was fully exposed as a neocon
Does Charlie kirk push hawk shit? I have no clue. Tim pool is staunchly anti war.
Alex jones is banned and would not push it
Did I miss anyone?

>>54605329
>but I see Canada being better positioned than most nations for what's probably coming
Why? Seems like a giant deluded cope to me.

Principle, 'a principal is the top of a school because hes your pal', I know this. Spelling autism.

>>54605330
You said they wouldn't was tone down the wokeness to instrumentalize the goyim to die in their blood sacrifices. I don't disagree with you but you're shifting the goalposts of the initial point.

>>54605373
>>54605389
enemy of China fuck my brains not working today, get your 8 hours of sleep

>>54605472
>You said they wouldn't was tone down the wokeness to instrumentalize the goyim to die in their blood sacrifices.
You only have to look at Biden granting the tranny shooter a day of celebration to realized they haven't toned down the wokeness.
You are talking about twitter retards like they mean anything.

>>54601736
Done. Now back to my Dextools trading session

>>54605420
Is there a good book for Mao's shit he did?
Gulag archipelago is wild, Seems stalin just spun a wheel every year and rounded up a half dozen random groups for a 10 year stint in the gulag or executed, any group including his allies

>>54605488
They are all on the same team. When Ben Shapiro or Elon lets you be more edgier and racist, it's a way of toning down the wokeness.

>>54601736
Imagine sourcing info from any gold/silver grifter, a wallstreetbets grifter, zerohedge, or any mainstream media source.

>>54605522
You can't have one half toning down the wokeness while the other half tones it up.
Doesn't do anything but cause division, which if they want fresh goy to die for Zog, isn't what they want.

>>54605329
>And yes these changes are happening all around, but I see Canada being better positioned than most nations for what's probably coming.
Can you please tell me why? I'm pretty sure we're the most declining country in the G7 and our IP laws are garbage and every successful venture leaves this hellhole. Don't say "nature" or something, can you please tell me why Canada is in a better position?

>>54605323
>>54605292
Yep, and PP makes weekly cries for war in Ukraine. And he of course doesnt utter a peep about our 1m/yr migration rugpull system. We live in a uniparty.
>>54605337
I'm extremely curious what the consequences of filling leaf universities with an average 75 IQ population will be going forward. They can replace whites, but thay cannot replace the quality of work and professionalism expected to maintain basic infrastructure. Expect south African tier deterioration

>>54605539
Yes you can. It's the oldest jew trick in the book. Here's a simple one. Either you or other people in this thread have harped about China here and there and go on about how buglike and insectoid chinks are (they are). Yet there's been less mention of kikery despite the jew threat being much more salient than the China threat. Spiritual boomers go MUH CHINA because ZOG gives them an outlet to be racist against Chinese for geopolitical purposes. Same reason why Sam Harris went at WOKE Ben Afflect for respecting Muslims and retards boomers cheered him on.

>>54605084
>they are mere delegators of resources
"Mere" is really not fitting here, if the government decides it's gonna delegate a disproportionate amount of OUR resources to immigration and third world cattle breeding programs for as long as they possibly can to the point that it creates an ethnic demographic crisis which only further exacerbates the falling birthrates amongst the actual productive members of society (who are productive by virtue of their genetic fitness, let's not kid ourselves) then you have created a state that is destined to crash and burn, our society is already on the path to selecting genes that are not in the best interest of the current productive members of society, a state of rootless slaves who will know no better than to clamor for the crumbs the insulated elite give them

>>54605550
Precisely>>54605329
>but I see Canada being better positioned than most nations for what's probably coming
Hey man I'm really curious

>>54605570
>It's the oldest jew trick in the book
The same jew trick that has gotten them kicked out 109 times?
So you agree with me that they aren't all toning down the woke shit, but you think one half of the uniparty is
>Spiritual boomers go MUH CHINA because ZOG gives them an outlet to be racist against Chinese for geopolitical purposes.
While you are not wrong, it still doesn't mean they are toning down the woke shit.

>>54605598
The side of the uniparty that speaks to the disaffected will fraudulently mimic our positions to instrumentalize the goyim for their needs. The other side will never "tone it down" because they are the ones who have to constantly push the envelope, and for the other side to react to and regulate. I just don't see them as separate. And actually to their credit, the US Democrats have sort of captured and expounded upon Trump's economic vision. Some.

>>54605639
>And actually to their credit, the US Democrats have sort of captured and expounded upon Trump's economic vision.
>Loosening tariffs
>Opening the border
>Throwing away fossil fuel independence
>Trump's economic vision
You seem to be quite the rational man, so I am baffled.
>he side of the uniparty that speaks to the disaffected will fraudulently mimic our positions to instrumentalize the goyim for their needs.
Don Jr, just came out as pro-tranny, along with Rogan smashing back a bud light on set. They certainty aren't mimicking our positions culturally, unless you are talking about stuff the state governments have been pushing out. And no party in politics represents our positions financially, you can see it as they throw away billions to foreign nations.

>>54605639
>>54605676
Guess were voting PPC next election boys, not like it's gonna make a difference

>>54605410
>he doesn't see that we're right on the brink
He's not paying enough attention!

>Fantasy, there is a reason in civilized countries usury is banned
Not sure which civilized countries are banning usury these days.

>A painful reality coming to a neighborhood near you
My favourite dose of reality was when the OPP told the Ford government to fuck off when he was asking them to enforce some garbage at one point during the pandemic. My second favourite dose of reality was how absolutely civilized both protestors and law enforcement were during the feb 2022 protests. It showed me that the ONLY barbarians in this society are those who occupy the halls of power.

In the same way that Canadian liberals import their "muh cops beat up minorities" bullshit from the US, I've noticed that Candian conservatives import "muh cops are all just zogbots" bullshit from the US. Why don't we all just cool it? We have a more civilized society than the US, and it's reflected in the character of both the citizenry and the law enforcement here. Real life is neither twitter nor /pol/.

Re identity. Fine, I mentioned it a few times where you indicate. But that's not what I'm talking about here, and we both know it.

Anon, I hate the government and our leadership with all the hate I have. And I hate them passively, as I am powerless before them just as you say.
But if all you have is hate, you become a slave to the object of your hatred; it becomes central in your life. Why would you want this?

Any hatred I feel for an abstract concept like government is is easily eclipsed by the love I have for real people in my life. You say that hate is a motivator but the only thing that has ever motivated me is love. When you feel real love you realize in the blink of an eye what matters and what doesn't. It's the strongest feeling you can have, and it will motivate you to do anything

>>54605439
>>54605593

See
>>54603768

It seems to me that our gifts are real and tangible while our problems are market failures. Our economy and markets are fake at the moment, so the relationship these problems bear to reality over the long term is tenuous. There's too much money at stake to let this country turn into mad max or children of men, so it won't. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I really do think the doomers among us should try to rebalance their scales a bit.

>>54605815
>He's not paying enough attention!
Sorry, I don't play along with your fantasies

>My second favourite dose of reality was how absolutely civilized both protestors and law enforcement were during the feb 2022 protests.
First off being proud of civilized protests is absolutely embarrassing, the french have the right idea, 2nd off the law enforcement beat and harrased the protesters and in their chat messages among them were full on jack boots. So i don't know what you are talking about.
>We have a more civilized society than the US, and it's reflected in the character of both the citizenry and the law enforcement here. Real life is neither twitter nor /pol/.

This is the cope I am talking about, what the hell are you talking about. This civilized society that shuts down bank access if you speak out against it? The one where neighborhoods were outing each other to? This same society whose sins you forgave but in the next breath you claim the sins you forgave didn't exist. You have two different depictions of Canadian society in your head here.
>But that's not what I'm talking about here, and we both know it.
Sorry I can't read your mind across the internet, schizo

>you become a slave to the object of your hatred; it becomes central in your life. Why would you want this?
Sorry I don't tolerate the evil others do like you do? Sorry I have a spine and a sense of dignity, if only I was worm like you are I could be happy.

>There's too much money at stake to let this country turn into mad max or children of men, so it won't.
>>54605420
Read about Pol pot this is our future, as the government struggles for power.

>>54605876
>There's too much money at stake to let this country turn into mad max or children of men, so it won't
>Our economy and markets are fake at the moment,
Do you realize the amount of absolute doublethink it takes to both think that the markets are fake and that the markets will save us?

>>54605598
Cuckservatives are a pressure valve to give traditional Canadians the impression that they have political solutions to their problems. >>54605815
>I've noticed that Candian conservatives import "muh cops are all just zogbots
Cuckservatives insist on licking cop boots, even though every leaf cop would have gleefully and happily thrown you to the ground if you tried to walk into a store without your good boy QR phone codes last year. At this point you're baiting, are a paid shill, or are outright delusional. I also don't know why you're lying about the cop relationship with the trucker convoy. They were openly hostile to the truckers, and bragged about "deploying the jack boots" to clear up the protestors. They even fired tear gas and stomped on a native woman's face with a horse, all while removing their nametags and obscuring their faces. Why are you fucking lying so hard?

>>54605676
Yea they're not fundamentally changing whatsoever. Just more so the recent Biden admin pushes for manufacturing and whatnot. It's nothing that substantive but it's enough to neurralize.

>>54605876
I think it's good you're not being a hater. That said the cops ARE zogbots. There is no advantage Canada has as we are a colony up for grabs to the highest foreign bidder. Africa is "abundant" in resources and I'm very skeptical of our education system. Love is the answer, but delusion is not. That's just cowardice. I think you're only going to answer your questions by facing the very harsh realities at play here.

>>54603106
I'll see you in hell, faggot.

>>54606172
>Just more so the recent Biden admin pushes for manufacturing and whatnot. It's nothing that substantive but it's enough to neutralize.
This is 2020 campaign, blue collar joe, propaganda they pushed out for the rust belt, this isn't any change.
And it's going to be real hard for him to pretend to be pro union when he broke up the train strike and ohio happened because of it.

>>54606055
>he's not watching humanity creep towards AGI
How can I take someone who pays so little attention to what really matters in the world seriously? This is 100x as important as COVID, yet you're incapable of giving it the attention it demands because The State hasn't made it a social phenomenon like they did with the pandemic. You're letting the media direct your attention in this massive way, and yet you would be the first to deny their power over your mind. The lack of critical thinking is astonishing.

>the french have the right idea
Any statement that contains those words in that order doesn't get a response from me

>Sorry I can't read your mind across the internet, schizo
Maybe one day you will gain this power. Until then, you'll have to settle for reading comprehension. I've spent all day posting in this thread, but never does the spirit of my argument tend towards matters of Canadian identity. And yet here we are talking about it. These are things that matter to you and not to me.

>Sorry I don't tolerate the evil others do like you do
The state does something evil. Neither of us has the power to change this. You seethe and post on /pol/ about it, but I ignore it because I already know the state is evil so there's nothing new for me to learn. Whose reaction is less dignified?

> Pol pot
What a non sequitur. 2023 Canada is not 1970s Cambodia. You have badly misunderstood the forces that motivate events in our world

>>54606359
No LLM will reach AGI, its a fundamental problem, it still doesn't have the necessary mental understanding of objects to reach human AGI level. We would need to invent an entire new model of AI, the only thing you are showing is your ignorance

> but never does the spirit of my argument tend towards matters of Canadian identity.
You posted about Canadians being a kind and well-educated people, do you think your previous posts don't exist or something?
>I ignore it because I already know the state is evil so there's nothing new for me to learn. Whose reaction is less dignified?
>Look how dignified I am for ignoring evil, aren't I so tolerant,

>>54605815
>>54606117
Most people are NPCs. They always will be. Or maybe it's a result of modern technology, who knows. The problem is leadership. If your theory is that AI will upend the whole system, you'll have to explain how something that was massively funded by the powers that be, was always a part of the plan, would be released to the public with the same capabilities as the powers be have in private. Not to mention there's already massively popular support for "AI alignment" basically shooting any dev that's AI says the truth about the holocaust. And then how this is relevant to Canada. I thought your initial points about rethering energy to young value creators was interesting and hopefully possible (it's a Paul Town point), but you have yet to account for some of these glaring issues in your thesis.

If we grant AI is real and threatening it will make the elites more powerful than ever. With AI, there are no truckers to protest the vax mandates. Everything runs and the masses can't meaningfully protest. I don't know which industries are most likely to be automated across the board, but there's been a crazy push for self-driving cars for a long time. How much power can the average person wield in this future? How much can a hyper competent person wield? Will the private sector ever been able to compete with military? AI has probably been used for the last 7 years as realistic online bots if we're being honest.

What is real is that there's a split between the old and the young, and whites and nonwhites (headed by Jews).

So we're going to have the old fucks pass off their magic powers to minorities, gays and the jewish elite and the seldom remaining non-degenerate White men will have to fight back. Will there even be a collapse from this dysgenic policy if AI is successful as you think it will be? Won't that be our biggest nightmare.

>>54606488
>>54605815
I think one source of our confusion, if you're being genuine and because you're a smart guy, is that we are ruled by an extremely hostile elite. Yes it is true that they are beholden to many economic positive feedback loops, and this is probably a large part for all the terrible ever-increasing negative decision we make. Then again, that's just democracy. But an equal part to that as well is that these are jews, and they have wanted to murder us for milleniae. They are taught as children that everyone hates for no reason and they will get holocausted any second now, which means their neurotic aggression is always justified. These are the people who are currently running the show in the West. Does having them hold the reins to AI sound like it's going to be a positive development?

I'm actually willing to hear your points on this. I loved ChatGPT, I think the tech itself is very positive, and I actually sort of agree with you how tech has emergent escape velocities. Can't stop it. I just think AI has control baked into the cake. Social media was amazing, then the Arab Spring and Trump happened and now people are total NPCs and censorship everywhere. There is still tension don't get me wrong and I am optimistic about it, but even in so-called free speech sanctuaries, there's massive military psyops on the daily.

Also, will your race be able to survive in time until this tech becomes truly free? Especially with the massive power differential in the mean time

Tl;dr Eugenic + old-gen tech vs dysgenic + astral realm tech. Who's going to win? And what does Canada have anything to do with this lmao

>>54606508
Apologies for all the spelling errors. I'm on mobile and have seemed to develop some sort of online dyslexia in recent years. Also don't have spellcheck as I'm tired of Nigger being autocorrected. >>54606359
Agree with most of your points here. It's cringe to constantly go muh hitler, muh stalin muh mao muh pol pot in 2023.

>>54606117
You have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that a month of protests occurred with 0 deaths and 0 buildings burned is proof of the quality of people here. It shows me that this is a deeply civilized country. The fact that you don't see these things in the larger context shows me that your world is very small.

The government shamed themselves in front of the country and the world in their response to those protests. Their need to use the emergencies act shows how little hard power they truly have. We have all the power here; like I have said above, their power is nothing but a derivative of ours.

>>54606211
I appreciate that, though I really do disagree re the cops. I have no doubt that some of them are pieces of shit, but when I meet one like that I'll let you know. Re Africa, the difference is that we have the social, administrative and physical infrastructure necessary to exploit these resources. The Africans do not, and so their fate appears to be exploitation at the hands of other nations. It doesn't need to be the case here. Re love VS delusion, I agree completely. Love can also prevent one from shirking responsibility or turning away from hardship. I have found this to be true in my own life, and I'm sure it's true for others too. I am well aware of the harsh realities at play, and I have positioned myself for them accordingly -- as I'm sure you have in your own way. Let me take a moment to read and respond to your three latest posts.

>>54606429
Here's a hint re AI: models will not be isolated for long. A guy at work shows me some art he made using AI, and he tells me that he uses multiple AI models to achieve certain effects because some are better than others at certain kinds of tasks. I laugh to myself because I understand that at some point soon models will come into existence that aggregate resources from other models. Follow that little philosophical rabbit hole to its logical conclusion and you may be surprised at what you find.

>>54605420
one of the usas biggest rival during the 70s was vietnam, of course they were going to support rebel faction groups that were the enemy of their enemy. it really is your first day of world politicks. cute.

>>54606676
Reddit is for you. Exact same comment as another one of you cookie cutter simpletons.

>>54601736
We're gonna need 2 walls.

>>54606626
>Follow that little philosophical rabbit hole to its logical conclusion and you may be surprised at what you find.
Humour us, Anon.

>>54606626
>this is a deeply civilized country
I think the word you are looking for is "domesticated". It's not something to be proud of.

>>54606872
>Here's a hint re AI: models will not be isolated for long. A guy at work shows me some art he made using AI, and he tells me that he uses multiple AI models to achieve certain effects because some are better than others at certain kinds of tasks. I laugh to myself because I understand that at some point soon models will come into existence that aggregate resources from other models. Follow that little philosophical rabbit hole to its logical conclusion and you may be surprised at what you find.
I have no ass and I must fart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx-1Ekn3KsU

>>54606902
The organizers of the trucker protest are either in jail or fled the country. And it was effective, and we haven't even any sort of comprable protest for immigration. Which is the #1 issue.

>>54606929
>>54606872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8A2pSbhsMo
One of these is really good I forget which one it was. Seem to remember it being longer than 10 minutes. TLDR is that the US and China and Russia all develop super-AIs to wage war and eventually the AIs connect and end humanity except for a few people they keep around to torture for fun.

>>54602266
lmao anyone with any creativity and talent has checked out of canada at least mentally if not physically to a different country
you think im gonna start a company in a country where the government will shut down your bank account if you say the wrong thing lmao
lmfao, even

>>54606974
Please pay taxes. Please. Think of the black children, they need malt liquor to survive. Its on you to give.

>>54606946
Reminder leafs will spend millions to import and employ syrians while their young people cannot afford to marry and have families while syrians can come over and reproduce with a benefactor

>>54602914
Not gonna happen, even if trudeau imports 10 million indians per year wed still have less population than india itself and canadas rich in natural resources + land. Qol wont be worse than india in your lifetime bud

>>54606902
Want to know the word I'm really looking for? Profitable. This is a very profitable country for those who harvest its productive energy from all the way at the top of our society. It is the very fact that our population is the golden goose that the thesis here >>54606488 is not valid. Because forgetting politics and forgetting conspiracies and just looking at the money, we see that the financiers sitting all the way at the top of the foodchain need the money (energy) to keep coming into their monopolies from the population. That can't continue if our services keep degrading. That can't continue if you can no longer afford to buy the latest product. That can't continue if you're no longer able to feed yourself. The dynasties that rule this country cannot and will not let this place deteriorate. Poorer societies have lower value consumers, and that last part is all they care about. All the largest players here need the system to become more efficient; they absolutely cannot have a social/economic collapse. They have a population who, for better or for worse, demonstrated a high level of adaptiveness to social change in 2020-22. They know that one solution involves removing massive inefficiencies via the AI automation of swaths of administrative and bureaucratic roles across our society. The question is one of implementation, and it's a social question more than a technical question. Because they have to facilitate this transition in an orderly way. Some resources unlocked by removing these inefficiencies would have to be delegated back to newly unemployed people in our society. They would use AI to do this. It would have to be done very efficiently and it would have to be right the first time. The government has proven that it is completely incapable of managing something like this at every stage of the three year test run they just had. Now I think the private sector will take the lead in some capacity.

>>54607605
This is how I'm seeing it at least. There will be no mass degradation of the quality of life here because it is not profitable for those who rule us. That's all this is about. But I think these AI tools will of necessity give us more freedom over our own lives. The AI that helps you do your job more easily will have equivalents that better help you with other aspects of your life like learning a language or studying a subject. Pretty soon much of the value creation in our society will be centred around these things, and the creation of value will be happening at the ground level of real people doing real things. I think naturally wealth will pool around these real people in a way that those forced by circumstance to implement them did not quite anticipate. Regardless of how you look at it, the movement towards AI will empower the average person more so than he is today. Power is zero sum, and this power will ultimately flow from those who currently hold it. The specifics hardly matter when the big picture becomes clear. That's how I'm seeing it, and I'm trying to be as impartial to ideology or morality as possible. It's just about money; the energy that money represents is what gives these things their narrative quality.

>>54606872
Sure. Consider how AI models would go about aggregating resources. An aggregator product like this would be a very profitable resource for whoever built it, so we can know it will be built. Now, our AI aggregator needs to be able to acquire resources from disparate sources. How will these AIs automatically facilitate value and resource transfer between one another? They will participate in...markets. Markets imply currencies. Do you think that USD will be the dominant currency in these markets?

Remember that energy is the currency of the universe, and that data is a record of energy expended in the world. It's a receipt for energy spent, just like the currencies we wage for. Which entities hold all of the data in our societies? Who holds the actual commodity that will back the currencies that have only just now become possible? Do you think that governments hold the most valuable data; do you think that their data is the most easily commodifiable?

>>54606626
>The fact that a month of protests occurred with 0 deaths and 0 buildings burned is proof of the quality of people here
That's not a good thing retard. The protestors let the cops swat them away like flies, throw them to the ground, beat their shit in, and freeze their bank accounts, all without offering any worthwhile resistance (because like (you) they thought the cops were on their side (they weren't)). Are you operating under the assumption thay every left Ottawa or their own volition? They were declared criminals and Pat King and Tamara LichRrotted in a jail cell, despite having committed zero crimes. The judge kept denying their bail despite the fact they weren't even criminally charged

This shithole is a banana republic kangaroo court 3rd world dumpster. Your claims of efficiency are a joke, kek

>>54607840
That everyone left Ottawa of their own volition **

>>54603481
>implying breaking the law makes you a terrorist
>implying the government can't just mandate any inconvenience in establishing authoritarian dominance over its citizens as illegal
>>54603639
>implying the government is the highest moral authority
wew lad

>>54607605
>>54607649
>>54607793

>>54606429
And this is also what it means to wipe from your mind the filth of politics. Both identity politics and the politics of anger at the state for its stupidity and evil.

Politics stops you from seeing the world in terms of principals and universals, and it stops your mind from wandering; it kills your imagination and this hinders you as a market participant.

>>54601756
don't do it
on a business trip to mumbai, i spent 5usd on a hooker at the hotel bar
got sexually transmitted curry
literally couldn't get the smell out for weeks

I just moved from Kelowna back to Winnipeg, and the market sentiments arent even comparable. Feels like different countries. In BC lots of people are in full blown panic mode, but in Winnipeg the housing "bubble" only brought a $150k house to $200k, and now back to like $180k (can find houses in any price range though).

In Kelowna there were people with houses worth $300k or so pre-pandemic, ballooned up to $700-900k, sold to some new immigrant family who was conned into a variable rate mortgage who is now facing $10k/month mortgage payments, and now will probably end up in the hands of a bank.

>>54607900
Im just renting now while I figure my shit out, but even renting, Im able to get a 4bdrm house for less than I was getting a studio appartment in kelowna, and its much much worse once you go to the coast/lower mainland in the vancouver area, there's people living like 9 to a 1 bedroom apartment setting up tents and stuff in the rooms to keep themselves separated. literally living like bug people

>>54607860
I believe in law and order, unlike you liberal faggots.

>>54607948
You mean you believe in Noahide Law

>>54607605
>The dynasties that rule this country cannot and will not let this place deteriorate.
>The government has proven that it is completely incapable of managing something like this at every stage of the three year test run they just had.
You see the inherent paradox.

>>54607840
I've got a poem for you, anon:

http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/PShelley/anarchy.html

"And if then the tyrants dare
Let them ride among you there,
Slash, and stab, and maim, and hew,--
What they like, that let them do."

>>54607992
Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts, believe that public facing elected officials make the big decisions in this country? Are you this blind to the game that is played?

>>54601756
Absolutely disgusting.

>>54607948
you heavily implied the government is the highest moral authority and now you are trying to shoehorn everyone who doesn't agree with you into the "liberal" shoebox because you are on 4chan and trying to shy away from actual discussion

>>54602287
I read BoC as bank of china, then realized the irony and lol'd

>>54602085
>index is the price
lel

>>54604389
This shit is so blackpilling. I want to escape to some desolate Arctic island. I need to make an isolated sanctuary away from shitskin hordes

>>54604987
What pisses me off most about this is my boomer grand parents always tell me how wonderful Canada was when they grew up and how awful it is now yet support everything globohomo that caused it’s destruction

>>54602073
>Canada
>Good people live here
I have lived here 3 years and seen not a single shred of evidence for that. You all seem like coping, seething, malding, unhappy, work-shy, lazy, arrogant, virtue signalling, self righteous oxygen thieves. I've literally not met a single one of you that wasn't an infuriating braindead moron. I'm moving back home in a month, fuck Canada and its' people.

>>54604993
>1971
>average new house
>$25k
>average income
>$10.6k
I wanna fucken die.

>>54607649
>There will be no mass degradation of the quality of life here because it is not profitable for those who rule us.
Ok, entirely invalidated lol. I just went without power for 5 straight days and I live in a "wealthy" area of a major urban centre. The degradation in QoL is the only guarantee we have here in Canada. Reading the rest it sounds like some high effort shill for some AI shitcoin.

>>54608588
And YEARLY Harvard tuition was less than shit tier uni semester tuition. Day of the pillow wen?

>>54608576
Well it makes me happy to hear leafs are based and weren't nice to a smelly pajeet.

>big correction after the giga-pump
>this is surprising

stop cringeposting, plz

>>54608691
This lol
>leafs made shitskins feel uncomfortable

There's hope.

>>54608691
Have you ever been in a Canadian's house? It always smells like a mix of unwashed carpets, stale biscuits and sweaty feet. And their cars, too, smell foul. Every time I got in a Canadian's Uber I was gagging from the smell. At least the Poos know they smell and go overboard with the air fresheners, but the Canadians seem blissfully unaware that the Corolla they've been sweating, farting and belching into all day actually stinks.
Foul people, genuinely.

>>54608826
No Canadians ever invited me into their home, but I was in one of their cars, and you're right.

>>54607793
You've really wasted your time typing all that shite

>>54608826
as i take a look around my canadian house, with my unwashed carpet, open pack of stale biscuits, my sweaty feet in front of me as i let slip another fart, i have to admit this guys got a point

The leaf tard here simping for more state control and curtailing free speech uses the same exact arguments as my russian vatnigger friends. "the state knows better", "they wouldn't do it if it wasn't necessary", "don't break the law or get your life destroyed"
I like that many people in this thread challenge him, even if part of the support may partially come from the deluded american zigger /pol/ apologists
The state does NOT know better, the state will drive the country off the cliff in the same way russia does right now if it's unchallenged
Even if the source of the complaint is a retarded racism complaining about the multi-culti, you can't destroy people's lives over it.

>>54608974
actually most people i know are pretty clean aside from myself. so i don't know if the stinky canadian is a true stereotype. but in our defense we don't like to wear shoes indoors, while americans never remove their shoes except to change their shoes and even sleep and shower with their shoes on.

>>54608826
We know the lack of curry fecal matter coating every object bothers you and we revel in it.

>>54608987
The state is just a tool. The problem is that evil jews run the system. That simple.

>>54602933
good morning sir. we are having nothing but.

>>54603074
>You can not short an entire modern Western government.
Peak delu

>>54609016
Sadly even half of 4chan is unable to swallow this pill. Discounting glowniggers, maybe 6 out of 10 will swallow it. But those 4 are still ranting and raving about democracy.

>>54602547
>Toronto is quietly one of the epicentres of global AI development

Not true. Canada’s tech sector sucks compared to the US. It’s not even close. The Canadian economy is basically just selling parcels of land to the highest bidder trying to escapes their shithole country and come shit up ours.

>>54601736
The whole commonwealth is facing a housing crisis. Homeless under 18 is up to 20k in Australia.

>>54608961
Then they get mad when you open the window because it's negative 20 out and you're 'wasting their heat'.
>>54608974
For real you need to wash your carpet though, still blows my mind you staple that shit to the floor and let it collect filth for multiple years.
>>54609008
The irony is literally every town, even some shit-hole northern hick town, is jeeted as fuck. Indians own the grocery stores, the restaurants, the gas stations, the houses... If you're trying to avoid jeets Canada isn't the place.

>>54605196
Canadians are being replaced by polite Asians so it's more of a slow boiling kettle. Canadians don't realize that their demographics are fucked because none of the diversity they get is violent or uneducated.

>>54602287
>Unaffordability

Quebec is still cheap

>>54603117
over 200 people, were cited in the national court of having their bank accounts extrajudicially and retroactively frozen without notice without court order in -20 degree weather. If not for charity this individuals would've frozen out. Moms on the other side of the country accounts couldn't make mortgage payments or buy groceries for their children. They estimate 6 months before the real court makes a ruling on the justifiably of evoking the emergencies act, and I'll know without a doubt the true character of this nation. You go about trying to normalize blantant human rights violations like this like a poorly programmed satanic robot, I know you'll let it burn all around you as long as you can keep your eyes on your computer screen, one day you'll wake up and not be able to put anything in your fridge

>>54609555
Checked

>>54602134
>>54602287
Imagine if the first true Canadians in the 1500’s saw what an ugly mess Canada was now. What a shame, the destruction of a country. I’m not exaggerating

>>54609641
History was falsified beginning in the 1550s. We're not who we were told.

>>54607605
>>54607649
>>54607793

I claim these speculations made in our free marketplace of ideas. I now have a social stake in my words here.

What a depressing thread.

>>54609767
We still have time to invade Canada and destroy it. It's not too late anon.

>>54607793
>AIs automatically facilitate value and resource transfer between one another?
by travelling salesman the longest barter change, currency is mathematically unsound and predates the inability of the average human to performs systems thinking and its unyielding lust for perceptions of status and prestige.

>>54609767
every thread about Canada on 4chan is depressing lmao. it's just constant doom & gloom

>>54609858
By simply providing a wishlist and items to sell. A quantum computer can metaphorically freeze time and actually calculate the laborious task of trading 2/8 of a cow for 3/4th of a chickens foot, it can quickly solve economies with just single incidents of wants. Currency is just a proxy, for the reality markets are solved in P but can only be confirmed as efficient in NP. With barter chains You can solve in Super turing NP and confirm efficiency in super turing NP

>>54604987
flagrant violation of the 1948 UN genocide convention , namely

>>54609858
>>54609882

Thank you for this context -- I need to spend some time thinking about how this affects my understanding/perception of these things

>>54604389
That doesn't include the unofficial amount of people entering the country. There are at least 1 million people coming into this country every year. Temporary foreign workers, new immigrants, non permanent residents
international students, illegal aliens and refugees coming in. Also the Ukrainian refugees.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-record-population-growth-migration-1.6787428

>>54609035
They're boomers. Literally unable to name the jew