/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54481291
It is now lower.

>>54481291
Your jews happened.

>>54481291
The capitalist class decided it would be more profitable if they didn't exist.

>>54481319
Boomers, lol

>>54481334
this, it's what happens when you reject the teachings of socialism.
Free market barbarism and the predatory nature of capital ALWAYS consolidates power into fewer and fewer hands, hopefully one day /biz/ will take the socialismpill fren

>>54481334
>da capitalists!!!!
You realise the middle class is made up of business owners and highly skilled professionals?

>>54481413
>being this dense
>>54481329
capitalist pigs come in all ethnic groups

>>54481413
True but the elite capitalists team up with, or actually are, leftists and Jews, with the common goal of eradicating the goyim

>>54481501
>jews
>ethnic
I thought it was a religion?

>>54481501
your centralizing policies that you thought would help is what caused the shrinking of the middle class. you will never have happyness or prosperity on your utopianist, envy driven systems.

>>54481291
trickle down economics was the biggest meme ever pushed onto the world regular citizens are constantly taxed and then given the short end of the stick through austerity measures meanwhile governments continue to subsidize multibillion dollar companys payrolls and csuites executives with none of the money ever trickling down to the local economy except to the politicians

>>54481291
Jews and niggers via inflation

>>54481409
>muh socialism
<laughs in infinite niggers

>>54481409
>Free market barbarism and the predatory nature of capital ALWAYS consolidates power into fewer and fewer hands

Unlike socialism which does the exact opposite

>>54481566
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions

>>54481291
Old poor are the new middle. New poor are the tent community vagrants, squatter class, gig economy workers, indentured mortgage servitude baggies, neo-oakies

Everyone but the elite will be short squeezed into either. The neo-lower class will grow, homelessness will become a problem, until someone comes up with the idea of BaaS (Bedding as a service) and you pay 50% of your income a day to sleep in the pod

>>54481291
middle class is a product of high taxation

They made it impossible for the middle class to survive while making it really for those people to survive

>>54481291
it was destroyed by the funny hat people

>>54481334
>>54481409
Socialists CAUSED the middle class to die with their support of central banking and insane government intervention.

They absolutely hate the working class and the only thing that actually increases their living standards, the free market.

Why do socialists love to lick boots?

When has your retarded system EVER worked? The most recent example, venezuela was a massive failure. They tried countless worker co-ops there and 90% of them went bankrupt. The entire country slips into massive poverty and hyperinflation.
This was long before any "sanctions" were placed on the country so don't give me that bullshit.

>>54481685
Why would I do that if I can just sleep in the back of my van, for free?

>>54481501
Socialists deserve to be thrown from helicopters

>>54481334
>>54481409
Give me one example of socialism working. ONE single fucking example.

>>54481409
Laughs in Cuba

>>54481809
tens of millions are murdered whenever it's tried, this is the system working as intended

>>54481778
You'll have sold your van shortly after you lose your job, or it's deemed illegal due to having an ICE engine, or they implement superblocks in your city, barcelona-style to increase foot-traffic or sales, and to free up car space for pods. I'm assuming multi-level car parks

>>54481334
What a moronic statement. If anything, its the opposite. While the big corporations will own everything, that process takes time and capitalist society allows for creation of wealth even for an average nigga.

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>>54481566
correct all the greedy right wing white republicans like pic related keep hoarding all the wealth away from hardworking altruist americans so they can pay off sleazy capitalist politicians who deny science

>>54481777
this/checked
>>54481409
Umm, HELLO? Respond you assblasted retard. You just got BTFO, like hard.

>>54481291
They all got engulfed by the low class and high class citizens. Now you are either a moneyless wageslave who invests in KOY to save his life or a richtard that exists in another plane of existence

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>>54482019
> Give me one example of socialism working.
National Socialism.

I denounce the Talmud.

>>54482303
>National Socialism.
Complete failure.
An inflationary bubble economy isn't a success.
Also there was food rationing during peace time and people worked 60 hours a week. The government controlled almost everything you could have done. You're an actual cuck if you want to live under the state's power your entire life lmao

Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>54481409
>powerful have too much power so we'll given them all the power
Statists are mentally ill.

>>54482354
it's funny that the government literally print and injected trillions into the housing market, yet leftists blame capitalism for the housing bubble lmfao

>>54481291
There never was a middle class.

>>54482328
But but white power!!!! Reeeeeee!!!!

>>54482322
> Rest of the world in a depression, mass unemployment.
> NS Germany has full employment during economic growth as never seen before.
Keep repeating the same old lies.

The middle class was the result of of wealth redistribution between government and unions.
You don't see middle successful people in most things such as sales, the arts, etc... You see winner take all so why would you expect free for all capitalism to lead to anything other than winner take all?

>>54482303
That’s a white man

>>54481682
judaism is a race?

>>54481291
Money printing means wages are constantly being devalued. You have to get a raise every year to break even. Money flows from the government into those close to the government, concentrating wealth. All the innovation and productivity improvements have been concentrated into those who receive the flow of new money from the government. The government determines who wins and who loses, and workers are losers, the established elite with close ties to the money printer are the winners.

>>54482396
> You don't see middle successful people in most things such as sales, the arts, etc

Confirmed retard

>>54482394
>> NS Germany has full employment during economic growth as never seen before.
This is completely meaningless.
Like I said, it was an unsustainable keynesian bubble at the time when most of the world especially US was going full socialism(FDR).

>economic growth as never seen before.
kek, the "growth" was mediocre at best. Many other countries with liberalized markets had much higher growth rates.
Just because the government is stimulating GDP by printing and spending money doesn't mean they are "growing".

Nazi germany was shit for the typical citizen. The real germany economic miracle happened after ww2 when the economy liberalized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder
inb4 you call me a jew

>>54482396
>The middle class was the result of of wealth redistribution between government and unions.
lmao no it wasn't
most of the high paying jobs in the 50s-70s were non-union jobs
Unions were only like 20% of the workforce back then anyway.

>You see winner take all so why would you expect free for all capitalism to lead to anything other than winner take all?
Because that's not how capitalism works. It generates wealth for everyone.

>>54482446
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirtschaftswunder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_economic_expansion

>>54482526
yes?

>>54482462
20% of the labor force being part of a union is enough to tip the scale for the rest of the 80%
Even Jordan Peterson talks about the pareto effect and the Matthew principle.

>>54482386
SEETHING JUDAIC

>>54482640
>20% of the labor force being part of a union is enough to tip the scale for the rest of the 80%
no it isn't there is no correlation between union rate and real wages/living standards for workers
Unions themselves fuck over non-union workers by creating labor cartels and raising prices for the goods and services non-union workers buy.
The idea that unions raise real wages for all workers makes no logical sense. The workers are receiving 99% of the consumer goods and services economy wide, what does artificially raising wages for union workers do? It just raises prices for everything else. Nobody is better off except some of the union workers.
>Even Jordan Peterson talks about the pareto effect and the Matthew principle.
I don't care about that retarded incel.

>>54481291
1970 /thead

>>54482526
(((economic miracles))) all over the west at the same time

>>54482693
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>>54482682
The us had a manufacturing monopoly during 1950 until 1970 so they could pass on the cost of stuff to consumers worldwide.

>>54482693
Yeah because they all had very free markets at the time
Your point?

>>54481413
Middle class are not business owners

>>54482767
>muh gdp

>>54482767
>>54482446
>unsustainable keynesian bubble
the post ww2 "golden age" was literally an unsustainable keynesian bubble

>>54482303
>National Socialism

We should try National Capitalism in America. Maybe NatSoc can still be for Europe, but not for us. It just wouldn't sell.

National Capitalism would basically be like Libertarianism, minus the anti-White endgame where Libertariasm eventually leads.

Companies would be free to talk with people, trade with people, but once they start flooding the country with non-White immigrants to replace the White ones of this country (because we demand a higher paycheck) that company would be shut down. Similar for companies who outsource, etc.

A capitalism tempered around racial identity is the way.

>>54482859
Call it what you want.

>>54481291
2008

>>54481409
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financialization, mechanization, globalization. you get 2/3 the country living on pensions and welfare and kill demand for labor and the financial industry sucks up all the power. the middle class is DEAD. there is the elites and the proles. if you don't have enough money to live on an estate with 20+ servants you are consigned to the slums where feral niggers roam free.

>>54482782
Economic growth objectively increased after ww2. Who gives a fuck about GDP.

>>54482803
>the post ww2 "golden age" was literally an unsustainable keynesian bubble
Nope. We switched to keynesianism after we got off the gold standard in 1971. You people can't stop lying.

>>54481291
they necked themselves when they realized they just spent 2 years of their lives building this mansion for someone else and they'll never live in it.

real capitalism has never been tried

>>54483726
Nah it was tried many times and resulted in the greatest increase in living standards in human history.

>>54481413
yeah but the bigger business owners don't want small business owners so they bought and cheated them out of business
it's what always happens in a free market once some winners start to take shape who can wield more influence than the rest
if you want lots of self-ownership and competing businesses, you need to create obstructions to the consolidation of large ones
whiny bitch libertarians will throw a tantrum about this because it contradicts their preferred idea of how the world ought to be, that the invisible hand won't make everything nice by magic, but it's the truth

>>54481291
Everyone is blaming Jews but I think its natural for 90-95% to be dirt-poor while the rest live decent lives. Just think about mass-literacy and how it was never a thing before industriallization. The prosperity effect of industrialization is slowly tapering off as everything consolidates and we're having a return to mean moment as irresponsible people become poor again.

This prosperity has a price to pay and that is descending into 3rd world living standards but without the reinforced 3rd world communities where everyone helps each other since everyone has been so brainwashed by individualism propaganda for the last half-century.

>>54481291
the middle class was an aberration enabled by the postwar boom which is slowly returning to its natural state of high and low class with nothing in between

>>54481291
centralization niggers

>>54481566
Its both. Its an ethnic group and religion. Its not an inclusive religion like Christianity or anything
>t. took a religions class back in college

>>54481291
Imagine living at any time in history other than the 20th century developed world

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>>54483783
Lolbertarians are insufferably retarded.

>>54481291
It doesn't exist anymore. Only way to make it is in the next bullrun. After that, it's OVER

>>54485746
>zero argument
it's incredible how you retards enjoy being enslaved
Why do you want to wageslave until the day you die, I legit don't understand lmao

>>54485746
>calls others retarded
>mass replies

>>54481291
They got cancelled for reinforcing systemic white supremacy or something.

>>54485844
> the only way to fight wageslavery is to waste all my time with a completely impractical and logically inconsistent ideology that is designed to acheive nothing.
good one.

>>54481291
it was a boomer thing and the boomers are all past midlife

>>54481777
hm partially, corporations seem to have unlimited power.

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>>54481409
this is somewhat true.
the law of physics and universe leads to consolidation of wealth. making money for rich is easier than for poor.
Im not rich by any means but my wealth increases much faster than my peers because i have over 100k in cash that collects over 4% interest that compounds at my bank. a person with 1m is getting 40k risk free and im only getting 4k. the guy with 1m can live my life without a cent of his wealth dropping. if he saves money from that 40k, it just compounds.

>>54486710
furthermore, rich people can afford bonds where you need at least 250k to purchase. not all bonds are fractional shares like robinhood. some munis you need to buy at least 250k worth. you get 6% tax free. rich people also get special free consulting. more opportunities. its crazy how much easier it is to make money when youre rich.

>>54486470
>acheive nothing.
It's designed to achieve post scarcity.

>>54486592
They gained this power through government intervention.

>>54481291
The middle class was unbearably white so it had to go.

>>54483502
>Nope. We switched to keynesianism after we got off the gold standard in 1971. You people can't stop lying.
uh huh

Besides women entering the workforce doubling the available labor, women are also retarded and bad negotiators. They either accept low pay or try to negotiate high pay when they lack anything to offer besides a vagina.

>>54489123
>wikipedia
>naomi klein(marxist economist)
LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Get off this board right now you bootlicking subhuman.

>>54490453
do better, you literally got it backwards.

>>54491194
>the golden age of capitalism is not the period with barely any laws and regulations, government interventionism and when government spending of the biggest empire in the world was 10% gdp
I guess if I shopped it into that image this npc’s brain would explode from all the conflicting authority

>>54482446
>ignore the reality of economic miracle praised by everyone in Europe
>ignore the tangible products of that economy whether mass projects, armaments or social programs for the poor
>it was a failure because le magic word
fucking idiot bots/npcs on both sides

>>54482859
>National Capitalism
Isn't that just
>America First Capitalism
By another name?

They exist right up until they have kids. My wife and I live in a low cost of living area and make $110k a year. We're quite comfortable. When we have kids my wife will have to drop out of the workforce bringing us down to $60k.

>>54484171
Underrated.

>>54491457
>government interventionism means it's going well

>>54481291
Working class = unskilled, uneducated labour for example factory workers, servers, laborers, usually pay rent
Middle class = skilled, educated and entrepreneurs, middle management, for example lawyers, engineers, doctors, small business owners, some trades. Usually own homes
Upper class = old money, industrialists, senior leadership, for example, CEOs, large business owners, usually have large land ownership and collect rent
This is how it is normally organized, the boomers were an exception in that working class income was very high and asset prices were low. The middle class still exsits today and is doing fine. You probably just believe you are middle class when in fact you are not.

>>54492810
I'm an engineer and I can't afford a home. Idk if it's really as fine as you are saying.

>>54481409
only if its National, commies get the rope

>>54481409
>it's what happens when you reject the teachings of socialism
LOL yo this is the funniest shit I've read all day.

>>54491990
His point was that there was much less government intervention, thus not Keynesian.
You idiot.

>>54491194
speak for yourself

>>54491493
>>ignore the reality of economic miracle praised by everyone in Europe
It wasn't though.
The post war german economic miracle had much higher growth and much higher living standards for the workers.
I guess liberalism works after all kek

>>54481607
this
how was it ever even an acceptable talking point? even at 15 years old it sounded like a scam
the more I looked into it the more I realised it was

>>54481501
yeah but like 70% of them are jews

>>54495789
he's saying the golden age of capitalism should when those things occurred. you already proved yourself an actual idiot.