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because the white men decided it wasn't worth it anymore, and so it wasn't.
money follows talent, inferiority follows money. the talent is long gone, and has moved elsewhere making even more money.

white supremacy is biology.

>>54483941
Biology/biochem doesnt make good money though

>>54483800
>Jews and ESG investors make sure code trannies get paid massive salaries to copy/paste vaporware
>make sure high iq conservative fields get paid badly
>no one is building infrastructure
>no one is building houses
>houses and goods cost more money
who could have foreseen this

>>54483800
no shit sherlock where have you been the last year

>>54483941
>white supremacy is biology
Roastie science

>>54483800
Is software engineering no longer stem?
Fucking retard thread. Anyway I switched from EE to SWE and I don't regret it. Lots of luddite boomers in EE & ME. I can only imagine how much worse it is in civil.

>>54483941
white people are getting mongrelized and replaced at lightning speed

>>54483800
Feels fantastic knowing all the smug nerdy engineering types I met in university thinking they'd be hot shit once they graduated

I hope they're drowning alive in their mediocrity

>>54483800
But we need more women in stem

>>54484064
It is. Better genes for being human

>>54484052
Earned a B.S. in Chemistry with a concentration in BioChemistry. They were offering $16 dollars here in Florida. I said fuck that now I'm making $60,000 selling drugs for corporate America. America feels like 1 huge scam after another. I'm sick of everything.

>>54484260
>sells drugs
>is sick
How many humans have your prescribed opioids killed?

>>54483800
I quit my infrastructure engineering job in March because they refused to give me a pay raise this year. I was making 70k. 4 years out of school. Fuck engineering. Idk where to go from here, bros. Software and CS are currently being flooded with layoffs. What ways are left for a white man to have a family?

>>54484209
>we need more women in stem
To drive down wages even further
>>54484106
I should have switched. How is the landscape rn out there, anon?
>civil
You don't want to know. Motherfuckers still out there drawing on physical paper.

>>54484260
Um, you know you could make much more making club drugs.

>>54484119
>mongrelized and replaced
you can't ever "replace" perfection. the excessive brown biomass that needs culling isn't replacing, it's simply adjacent, in the way of progress.
white purity will forever represent the peak of civilization, and will thus never have competition, only obstacles.

>>54483800
I'm a swe with 5 years experience and make $110k/yr.

>>54484556
White purity died in 1900

>>54484346
Making weapons for the MIC in preparation for WW3 unironically.
Jeets and Changs can't get in because you need citizenship, for now anyway.
Come home, white man, and help proliferate as many arms as possible so that clownworld gets cleansed by sacred nuclear hellfire.

>>54484665
It's funny, that's kind of what I always wanted to do. I live between Lockheeb and Bell, but they won't fucking call me back.

>>54483800
Wtf else are you gonna do fag? There’s only two good options for school. Engineering or some health sci degree. Unless you’re willing to spend half your life in school then choose engineering. Why as a man would you do anything else. Trades are a cope, business degrees are a cope. It’s either engineering or self employment, no other option.

>>54484731
>Trades are a cope

imagine being this retarded.

>>54483800
>not a network engineer
Ngmi

>>54484766
Enjoy your bad knees and fat wife

>>54483800
This is true for starting wages. But you're not considering what's really happening. People have high demand for high skilled engineers. Low skilled entry level engineers are easily replaced by poojeet and in order to get an H1B worker, you have to prove that the prevailing wage couldn't find you an American equivalent. Basically the industry purposely suppresses the wage for entry level engineers so they can import an Indian.
Moral of the story is you should have been born sooner. Pretty soon the wage for an entry level engineer will be negative. You'll need to pay them for working there because AI will for sure kill those low level positions.
t. Software engineer making 270 total comp and probably about to get promoted which means more salary and more stock

>>54484701
sorry your dad isnt a
>Informational analysis engineer, mid senior grade computational electrical systems design auditing level IV
at lockheed so they'll hire you

>>54483941
>white supremacy is biology
it's a bigger potential
current whites are mostly so pathetic that soon non-whites will overrun them

>>54484346
>Software and CS are currently being flooded with layoffs
Those layoffs were 90% hr roasties and recruiters.

>>54484731
If you get an MBA you could sell your soul to a consulting firm. If you can get into the big 3 you can make a fuck ton of money. You'll just have no life and coke will consume you.

>>54484819
>
Kek, you're right. Must be nice. My fucking dad's connections are worthless

>>54484859
I've heard this meme around but I'm wondering if it's still true in current year. I have heard about how most of the people who grind out the 90 hr weeks just end up with a mid level corporate job at a random company making like $100k

>>54484911
You have to score high on the GMAT, get into an ivy league business school, and then get into one of the big three firms. If you manage that it's fuck you money but long work hours. Otherwise it's probably shit and not worth it.

>>54484845
>implying the codecucks and useless middle managers aren't next on the chopping block
>implying that the millions of new CS grads aren't going to saturate the codecuck market to such an extent that companies will routinely PIP their existing employees just to replace them with cheaper labor
It's over.

>>54484946
Tell me you don't know what software engineering is without telling me.
The higher up you go, the less code you actually write. It's documentation, tech specs, meetings, requirement gathering, planning out future scope. A cute chat model that can't even get simple code right isn't a replacement for a good engineer. It's intern level at best. But cope how you want to. Still getting paid.

>>54483941
>money follows talent, inferiority follows money.
>>54483941
>white supremacy is biology.
Learn to capitalize the beginning of a sentence, illiterate.

>>54484119
Yupp.
Good riddance.

>>54483800
This is what I've been waiting for. SWE is so overly saturated that people are only in it for the money. Once the pay is shit, it'll be far easier to find job openings for remote positions paying a reasonable but not absurd salary.

>>54484970
You're right that experienced engineers are valuable, but you neglect that management is retarded. Big tech will go the way of most other businesses and become too bureaucratic to the point that they will only think in terms of dollars per hour, hence will axe their talent when times get tough because they're too expensive. And when enough experienced codecucks are on the market, their price will necessarily go down. It's just the way of the world.
>But cope how you want to. Still getting paid.
Kek cool it nigger. Ride the train while it lasts (it won't last forever). My TC is higher than yours if that matters.

Mechanical Engineeting, can confirm.

>>54485031
Managers that just exist to exist will for sure vanish. Team managers will be here to stay. And again they'll sooner fire the low wage low experience workers. The thing people aren't considering with AI is the amount of new businesses it will spawn. Businesses that don't exist today that will all need new engineers, managers, etc. Fear of AI will be seen for what it is. Luddites.

>>54485036
Did we ever have a chance, anon? I don't want to work in a factory

>>54484844
hoards of brown biomass can't "overrun", only temporarily inhibit, like a blockage in your toilet, eventually it will be unblocked, or overflow.

>>54484986
>capitalization
>literacy
average brown iq

>>54484586
>t. brownoid

>>54485059
Certain niches will still be profitable like AI/ML because they're themselves massive but have a high barrier to entry, this is true. You might be right that your common software engineer gets automated away ultimately to be replaced by specialized AI engineers.

>>54485031
Total comp only matters if you don't live in an expensive city. My 250 is a San Francisco 500.

>>54484812
where do you live bro? im jealous of your TC.

>>54485101
Thankfully my position is very closely related to AI even before the gpt meme. I'm negative worried.

>>54485118
South East USA

>>54485065
learn to code
unironically
making web sites is easy and still payed really good if you're not retarded and know how to sell your work for a best price
people who say that "frontend is dead" are just indians who don't know how to sell their work proper way

>>54485075
>hoards of brown biomass
there's new billion of brown biomass every ten years on the planet
welcome to the new reality

>>54485118
stop believing everyone who says they make ridiculous amounts of money and are a genius SWE anon.

>>54484132
What about the smug nerdy computer science types?

>>54485123
Good job. You're in a minority of SWEs who likely won't be laid off at some point. The majority of codecucks are still "doomed", however (= their TC will regress to the engineering mean).

>>54485131
thats cool. im a self-employed machine learning engineer living in Montana, on track to make about 150K this year. but i feel like i work way too hard to only be earning 150K, especially when the swe sisters are making 200-300K TC for doing nothing most of the day

>>54484665
This is what I do. Can't complain.
>>54484701
>>54484819
Yeah Lockheed sucks. They only called me for shit I was overqualified for.
Go for Raytheon, Northrop, or any aerospace company. Some cool small companies in the industry

Entry level engineers are fucked in more ways that one. The obvious one as the OP mentioned are the terrible salaries. But the worst part is the competition a new grad will face to even get that job. A ton of major projects outsource the entry level engineering work to India already and it's going to get worse. Western unis still pump out engineering grads while outsourcing increases, so now it's simple supply and demand cucking your salary for the foreseeable future.

Engineering will always exist domestically in the west as it's a regulated profession, but if you're graduating right now and job hunting good fucking luck. If you manage to get an engineering job with a reputable company, here's some advice: don't even think about job hopping for more pay until you've got your PE license. You need to take your beatings as a good little entry level cuck. Once you've got your PE, you do have options that are difficult if not impossible to outsource to India. Position yourself for management type roles as a long term goal if you want any semblance of stability.

>>54484364
I stayed at my company actually so idk how the market is. Literally stopped working for a few months, bootcamped, and came back. Now have a bit over 2 years of full stack experience under my belt. I don't regret it but last I heard the market for bootcamp devs is weak with companies hiring less and bootcamps still pumping out "grads"

That said if you have an engineering degree already and a good resume otherwise (established history of work, not at mega shit tier companies, didn't just do pencil pushing work) I think you'll be better off than people who have never had their lives together and then decided to learn to code.

What about marine engineering because I was looking to get into that field? Any marine engineer bros here to let me know how it is

>>54483800
Everyone is replaceable and if you innovate your job you just get promoted to train other people to do it for less. Or you object and are discarded from society.

No amount of education will give you power. It's designed that way.

>>54484859
If if if. If you make the next big tech start up, buy into the next big crypto, you could be a billionaire. Ifs don’t mean anything. you most likely won’t, and you’ll most likely end up as a suicidal accountant making 70k a year with a once Patrick Bateman level ego that was shattered when you realized you aren’t gonna be in the top 0.00001% of people with your degree.

>>54485804
Why are you mad at me bro? I don't even work as a consultant. I'm just married to one and I'm telling you what she did. It's not easy and most likely you are right about where most people end up. But you'd know that from your GMAT score.

I fell for the chemistry meme, looked at the jobs, said fuck that and ended up in medical school. It's not the best job, but my specialty will have me making $450k in a couple years so could be worse I guess. Tech is probably the only good field imo. Finance and law work you too many hours, same with med

Studying CS was unironically the best decision I've made in my life

>>54484038
you don't need an engineer to build a house up to like 8 stories I believe. R u dumb KEK

>>54485635
>don't even think about job hopping for more pay until you've got your PE license.
Man, fuck that gay license. Fuck that whole scene. I quit my job because they wanted me to get my license and wouldn't give me a raise until I did. Guess what? Now I make more without it. Civils are cucked into needing it though, you're not wrong. But no one in private industry mechanical gives a shit. I actually had one job turn me down because
>we don't like people who have their EIT
NGL, that one kind of stung, because I only got my EIT at the behest of my employer.