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>>54427499
Depends on how you drive and where you drive. I have an EV and a big ass American pickup truck. Can you charge at home overnight? How far is work? Can you charge at work? The name of the game with an EV is if it's not moving it's charging.

>>54427499
If you have a house where you can set up the charging station, and don't intend to travel more than 300 miles in one drive, EV could work. Hybrids are good to go, plugin hybrid just means you can plug it in for a larger battery store to run on electric for longer. You also need a house for this as a PHEV you'll need to plug in daily or the plugin feature is useless because it WILL run out daily, it's designed to. Whereas a full EV is designed to go longer, you don't have to charge it every day unless you drive so much that it gets low.

So plugging in basic requires a house and no long distance travel, unless you want to leave your car at a charging station and make risky road trips along charging station routes. Hybrids that charge themselves with the gas engine are g2g, I have one and like the hybrid aspect of it. I wouldn't get a Prius again though. It's an extremely dangerous car that I've almost ran people over while backing up (shit visibility) and almost lost control and crashed in several times. It does not feel safe, they literally built it off of an old golf cart design and it still feels like driving a goddamn flimsy golf cart. Their goal was to make the cheapest hybrid possible and they achieved that but at the cost of a lot of components being cheaply made or material being removed to make it lighter. Most hybrids and EVs suffer from this, fair warning.

>>54427552
I work at a hospital so I assume there are charging stations there, but I haven't really scoped it out. I can charge at home too. I drive about ~30 mins to work each way and I live in the burbs, so it's not stop-and-go driving

>>54427785
I'm OP, phone switched to wifi

>>54427499
A battery on wheels is pretty solid if you also can get the solar to fuel it for free

>>54427499
buying anything new is fucking retarded. aim for 30,000 mile intervals because major maintenance is done within those distances. why would you pay for virginity on a possession with replaceable parts?

>>54427785
>I drive about ~30 mins to work each way
You honestly probably be able to get away with driving there and back and just charging for the night, depending on how long you have at home before your next shift (if you're working 12s in a row for example you'll have less charging time at home before leaving again). Also you'll have to look into if you want to get a full level 2 charger at your home or just do wall plugs which will take significantly longer to charge to full

>>54427857
Boomer advice.

>>54427499
>I’m going to buy new
What a fucking waste of money. Enjoy being stressed about paying off your cage when the next Great Recession hits and you lost your job.

>>54427963
>34
>millionaire
>used to be a mechanic
eat shit and die poor

>>54427998
>Triggered Boomer who larps on 4chan

>>54427499
EV's are all sorts of fucked with lithium batteries exploding. Also are terrible for longer distance travel. Hybrids will also net you extra gas range without relying solely on the grid to spend 45 minutes to use a "fast" charger. Whats nice now as that hybrid in the past just meant Prius, but now many car manufactures just make a hybrid version of their regular line up.
https://www.toyota.com/hybrid/
Might be harder to find or used, but Camry TRD or Avalon TRD hybrid would be good for not looking like a vagina while also practical.

Also, if you buy Japanese make sure it is actually quality Japanese. No Kia or Hyundai with their exploding batteries because its Korea shit. Remember years ago when those Galaxy S phones exploded? Yeah, Korea shit. Also stay away from Nissan, they used to be good decades ago but now they are owned by French nigger shit and have terrible part especially the transmissions which will go bust before you hit 100k miles.

>>54428039
so your stepdad gave you this advice and now it's not valid because it's synonymous with the earth shattering orgasms coming from your leather bag of a whore mother? got it.

>>54428155
He is considering getting the cringiest fucking vehicle known man, an electronic car. He’s a lost cause anon.

>>54428131
Depending on car size needed and if can stand a crossover suv, the yaris cross or just yaris hybrid is great as a fuel sipper hybrid

>>54427499
Get a hybrid RAV4 or Tundra.

>>54428155
Based.

>>54427857
Because I book it on my company expenses and get a full tax rebate for the 4 years it takes to depreciate then I just sell it to bottom feeders like you to buy another new one.

>>54430594
Thanks for blessing us with cheaper used cars anon, for us tightarses who refuse to buy new

>>54430594
this is being a welfare queen with extra steps. you're just too retarded to notice.
>let me guess, you're a 38 year old claims adjuster making 60k

>>54430594
best case you're an independent tradie doing six figures and a new truck every few years is the status symbol keeping you from suck-starting the gun you look at longingly everyday you pull up to your doublewide trailer.
>in that case I support your purchase

>>54427857
>buying anything new is fucking retarded.

i guess it would depend on what the used market is like. presently it's awful. everyone's looking for that used car with 20,000-60,000 miles and a full maintenance record.

hey, remember that program "cash for clunkers" a few years ago where they subsidized boomers who wanted to replace their car with a new, "efficient" car, under the condition that their old car be destroyed? such is the foresight and wisdom of our glorious leadership.

>>54432604
>cash for clunkers
this is where I became jaded. I was 19 and participated in that program.

>>54432646
What car did you send off to it's untimely death?

>>54432604
cont.

of course it was really just a subsidy for the auto industry. how is it that, if we want a new cell phone or video game device, it will be on our doorstep the next day, but cars are impossible to get because of some "chip shortage"? surveillance equipment and time-wasting entertainment are always at hand, but certain essentials seem to be in very short supply. guess OP will just have to head down to the bank and take out a loan for a new car.

covid something something chip shortage etc.

>>54432684

i was making five dollars an hour at the time. i could barely afford gas money to get to college, much less a new car.

>>54432692
cont.

now, i'm not saying that there isn't a shortage of certain parts. however, it hardly seems to hurt the auto industry in the long run if the used market is thinned out a bit, and creditors surely delight at the fact.

Hybrids or EVs made zero economic sense. You will pay at least $10k more for a hybrid, and much more for an EV that isn't absolute garbage. That's like 10+ years of gas alone (assuming you aren't driving trucks or huge commutes), and the hybrid still burns gas too. So it may take 20+ years to pay off. Then factor in time value of money and it will never pay off.

I think the only thing that makes sense is if you can get a cheap EV and get free electricity. You still won't make it up on gas but maybe maintenance and repairs since EVs are a lot simpler machines. Hybrids are the opposite and will cost you MORE to maintain and repair. They are garbage.

Otherwise get like $15k and buy a few years old economy car. It will get 30+ mpg, and require very little repairs even well over 100k miles and last you 10+ years, and insure it for <$100/month. Plus it will still be worth a decent amount in 10 years, potentially half its value if you keep it in good condition.

frankly i'd avoid buying a car at all costs. the consumer is just being abused here. a car is nice and all but if you don't need one don't buy one, and especially not on credit. it's a raw deal that robs the middle class of their money, and many people don't have a choice in the matter because they need a car to get to work. either that or live in the city and pay exorbitant rent for the privelage of cultural enrichment.

>>54432684
a 2001 ford crown vic. an old maine state trooper car, I suppose I had outgrown it as a teenager but people getting out of the way on the highway never got old.

>>54432738
cont.

the fewer people out there buying cars the better. don't let the bankers and auto makers profit from this artificial scarcity. do without a car if it is practical to do so and let the next man who really does need a car get a good deal. it's the decent thing to do.

>>54432755
Nice

>>54432738
>>54432768
Based, avoiding a car at all costs and replacing with a bike or public transport is very cost effective. Sure it's greener too but that's as bonus to the cost savings.

>>54428155
pretty based.

>>54427499
the one on the right is the only green car there. Is this a joke?

>>54427499
Hybrid or tradgas. EVs are overpriced, underbuilt, the 'no gas' thing is barely a cost saver in most parts of the USA unless you already have the infrastructure in place for charging your own, like solar panels in arizona. There are tons of minor and major annoyances beyond range that >>54427769 covered fairly well. Add on top of that
>charging stations are inconsistently placed and often annoying to use, can require adapters, often require setting up accounts with whoever operates them
>if you get in basically any wreck the car is totaled because there is not currently a standard for damage control on EV batteries
>if you're doing it for environmental reasons you need to drive the car for 10-15 years for it to have a net environmental benefit over gasoline vehicles
>meanwhile the battery loses up to 25% of its total capacity within 7 years and up to 50% by 14, replacement is a $10,000+ service

>>54427857
Used car market is sufficiently fucked now that this is no longer fully valid. And buying a used electrical vehicle is an extremely bad idea.

>>54432768
cont.

don't get me wrong, i like cars. i like to follow racing. at a point though, devotion to materialism becomes toxic and morally bankrupt. i can do without such a hobby if it would otherwise support creditors and corporate greed.

>op just ordered an electric car, we need to send the kids back into the mines for more cobalt

>>54432810
>don't get me wrong, i like cars. i like to follow racing. at a point though, devotion to materialism becomes toxic and morally bankrupt. i can do without such a hobby if it would otherwise support creditors and corporate greed.
cont.

and if you really have the need for speed, a used 600/1000cc supersport/superbike can usually be had for $5,000-10,000 and will easily outrun any car you can touch for less than ten times that price.

>>54427499
If you are a europoor get a mild hybrid, you get all the tax discounts while having the more efficent combustion engine. Hybrids are cool, till you have them for a few years and the batteries die and you have a combustion car that weights like a truck.

>>54432720
EVs and hybrids only make sense in places like San Francisco or LA where gas is $6/gal and rush hour traffic is slow enough that an electric car's efficiency gain over a gas engine is maximized. A $10k EV premium pays for itself in a hurry when fuel costs you a quarter per mile.

>>54432792
Sure
> open 'cabin' - it rains and you're drenched
> no protection from other traffic - you can get easily hit by a car or another cyclist and have no padding of any sort
I know and heard of people who got themselves bicycles then ended up in hospital.

>>54427499
EV unless you want to travel long distances frequently

Only poor people buy used cars, that's why people on 4chan seem to favor them

>>54432541
>projecting this much
Stay poor, fag.

Electrics and hybrids are gay

I'd get the blue one and then constantly refer to it as hybrid intelligence vehicle (ticker: HIV)

>>54427499
Also Hydrogen and Toyota duck ng over it's ex-president who was tryna ng to innovate with it

>>54427499
>but still fun to drive, and will make my neighbors jealous, especially that fucking asshole Shane across the street.

You're a consumerist that thinks people give a fuck about your shitty EV, go on and join the Tesla cult and die in a battery fire.

>>54427499
hybrid or gas/diesel. never go full ev

>>54433669
>>54433669
>and die in a battery fire.

You shouldn't build your world around what the fake news tell you

>>54427998
>used to be mechanic
>thinks everyone is mechanic
>tells everyone to replace their own parts

Kys, hoang. Not everyone wants busted knuckles and grease all over them and smelling like oil

>>54433713
you some kinda poofta?

>>54433154
tell me I'm wrong, tell the class what you do for work. are you a franchise owner? I'm sure there's big money in managing a popeye's chicken
>>54433713
>tells everyone to replace their own parts
show me where I said that. yeh delusional faggot

>>54432604
>foresight and wisdom
They did it on purpose. Did you expect a government program to actually benefit goyim?

>>54427499
Get a hybrid or plug-in hybrid OP.
If you ever have to drive longer distances or hilly terrain, pure EVs suck big.

>>54433154
okay one more, is it medical device sales? I'm just guessing all the faggot jobs because you sound like a miserable fat fuck. who else would defend material possessions so vehemently?
>show us your funkopop/sports jersey collection

>>54434492
>They did it on purpose

i know that. see

>>54432692
>>54432718
>>54432738
>>54432768

Hybrid at most, the only viable alternative to fossil fuels is hydrogen. Toyota is perfecting their Engine and JCB have nearly perfected their 1:1 diesel to hydrogen replacements.

Hybrid is the best alternative in the meantime IF you city drive. Those 50km daily is great

>>54435880
Hydrogen cars are great, but there isnt nearly enough infrastructure to support them atm, and on top of that they arent really "green" cars since you need to burn a fuck ton of methane to get hydrogen cheap. Though theres research going underway to get hydrogen as a byproduct from nuclear power plants.

>>54427499
Plug in full hybrid, if you're going down that road. In anycase, since you don't know shit about cars your gonna want a warranty

>>54437320
>you need to burn a fuck ton of methane

Invest in cow brrap farms

>>54427499
Hybrid. Functional and saves a fuckton of money.

I don't think electrical is ready until we get either 1000kms per charge or ultra fast charging

>>54427499
Hydrogen

>>54427499

Man just buy a Honda Insight and you won’t need a new car for 20 years.

>>54437320
Hydrogen won't be as economically viable as EV's for two reasons.
1. Storing it in a dense fashion requires expense kit (It is a tiny molecule that tends to leak out really easily and is volatile)

2. The round trip efficiency of using hydrogen is 32% using renewables and 40% using non renewables (the grid to wheel efficiency of EV's is 77%)

Nuclear energy will only make it cheaper to produce batteries and generate hydrogen, but due to inefficiency inherent to hydrogen batteries will win out. The only use case I can see for hydrogen is aviation since specific energy (energy per unit of weight) really does count when you're fighting gravity.

It might not be lithium battery that win out in the end because it's quite scarce, but already we're starting to see progress made in Sodium Ion battery's specific energy and cycle life being increased.

Tl;Dr: electrics beat hydrogen on any timescale because they're that much more efficient.

>>54439575
See>>54439642

>>54427499
Four questions for you OP
1.How much does petrol and diesel cost in your area?

2. How much does electric cost in your area? (include night time rates as well)

3. What kind of driving habits do you have?

4. What kind of climate do you live in?

>>54427499
All hybrids are shit except the Prius.
All EVs are shit except Teslas.
>What's the most economical option, but still fun to drive, and will make my neighbors jealous, especially that fucking asshole Shane across the street.
Definitely the Tesla, those things are magnets for seethe.

>>54427499
The only even slightly worthwhile EV cars are Toyota's hybrid models. They've been working on that system for like 20 years and most of the bugs are worked out. They also get really good mileage. The flip side is just be aware that they don't last as long as regular ICE cars. The battery/e motors will wear out.

>>54439831
>Tesla
>Most economical
I don't agree with that. I think the hybrid Rav4 would be the apex of
>Economical
>Still fun to drive

>>54427499
Get an Audi A5 convertible. Fuel efficient, practical, not expensive, and fun to drive.

>>54427499
OP, do not buy an Audi under any circumstances. Especially not an Audi hybrid.

>>54427499
Just buy an ICE you complete and total faggot loser

>>54439915
All hybrids except the Prius are shit.
Teslas are more economical than you’d think.

You want to know the value on a car?
Follow what rental and taxi companies run.
They ALL run Prius’s, and more recently Teslas.
Why?
Because they do their math on what cars are the most economical.

>>54427499
Only buy one if you can make full use of the $7500 tax credit. And plan on never driving more than 100 miles away from your house. I have the cheap leaf and the 150 mile range is a burden at times.

>>54440079
Bro, the Rav4 is just a Prius with sexier wrapping and a little more power. Seriously, they have the same guts.

>>54432755

I would accept the 12mpg just for people getting out of my way or at the very least being nervously cautious.

>>54440798
rav4s are for cat ladies and homosexuals

Just buy a car with an IC engine and a manual geabox you fucking nonce. I've not seen anyone, other than geriatrics, drive a fagmobile ev

>>54439964
You have never even been in a "fun" car mate
What kind of queer thinks that a heavy, floppy, underpowered piece of shit like an audi a5 cabrio is fun, Jesus fucking christ anon, get a grip

>>54433713
Gay weak cunt lol

>>54428131
>>We're saying farewell to Avalon. As the sun sets on our flagship vehicle, which has been discontinued, we welcome a rising star—the Toyota Crown. Moving ahead, your Avalon will still have the finest care and service available at your local Toyota Service Center. What's next is a generation of updated and innovative Toyota vehicles made to go places and carry on the acclaimed quality and value you've come to appreciate.

if you actually cared about the envrionment you would not buy a new car you would buy a 30 year old ICB shitbox

do NOT buy an EV OP. Under no circumstances. No go. You will be fucked in so many predictable but also many unforeseeable ways. Don't ask /biz/ ask /o/

>>54427984
Some of us pay in cash idiot. A shitbox without warranty where you don't know what else will break this month is much more of a liability.

>>54427499
EV gives leukemia.

>>54427499