/biz/ - Business & Finance

>>54390919
Gamers are nigger cattle of the highest degree. There is a board on this website where people vehemently protect their Jewish IP’s for FREE just let that sink in

>>54390919
OP, get off reddit and you'd realize most gamers are anti-semitic, completely hateful and broken-inside neo nazis who want nothing more than the world to burn which would give them even more of a reason to stay inside and game. It also means we only hold bitcoin.

>>54390919
GPU mining fucked pc gaming for years pricing many out of upgrades and kept more out from sheer unavailability. NFT/on-chain gaming stinks like shit to anyone with a passing understanding of video game monetization practices and existing play to earn schemes make anyone who looks even surface deep recoil in disgust. The broad consumer base is mostly apathetic and consumes anyway, but you're not talking to the broad player base, and even the average nigger realizes they're being taken for a ride eventually.

>>54390974
unreal that people actually believe this midwit take. If you were buying a Titan in the last two years, you deserved everything that you got. That's all I have to say.

Crypto (blockchains, decentralized databases in a trustless env) is 100% useless for gaming.

You must understand, videogames are centralized.
You NEED a clear and legally liable publisher for a safe download/client/support.
You NEED the developers to have FULL CONTROL OVER ALL GAME ASSETS to really make updates/balance/bug fixing. (being changed/removed at will kills nft game assets as concept)

>>54390919
> Why do gamers hate and seethe about crypto?
People who describe themselves as ‘gamers’ are perpetually online in nerdy sites like ourselves, meaning they were exposed to the rise of crypto and dismissed it like most of us (I used to mock bitcoin routinely when libertarians were literally giving it away to grow the community). If they haven’t got onboard yet then they’re just deeply bitter and need a story to tell themselves as to why it is bullshit.

>>54390932
Lmao has if vehemently protecting your crypto bags is any different retard

>>54390919
they are programmed to stay off the money by ape jpegs and crypto bros

>>54391529
This is pretty accurate actually.

The only time I can see crypto working for a game is if the game is 100% on chain in terms of value add or loss so cheating is 100% impossible. The game is designed to be fully decentralized so no one entity is responsible to maintain it.

It would be very hard to design something like this. The best example I can think of is a game like diplomacy or something like that where staked coins can behave like a standing military or something to that effect. But even then, such a game would probably be INSANELY toxic.

The other possible scenario would be something like a decentralized roblox. I am not even sure how to do that one. But people build assets and sell them within a market. Crypto and nfts would work well in that case.

Otherwise? You cant do first person shooters... You might be able to do something like runescape but good luck keeping that 100% on chain... You might be able to do a pretty decent rogue like.

Nobody has made a good crypto game yet because people who are good at crypto are not good at game design. And people who are good at game design are not good at crypto. So good luck finding a balance on that front.

>>54390919
Probably because all blockchain-based games suck with little to no exceptions

>>54391708
Or building a "universe" of games where coins/nft are compatible. But good luck building a series of good game working together. The only use case currently would be some kind of metaverse, but those are generally dogshit

>>54390919
Huh? I game every night and I fucking love crypto and have a $400k portfolio

>>54390919
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We can't have NFTs because the lack of net neutrality will turn gamers into play to earn paypigs

>>54391708
Any complex online game will always need a developer with full control.
At most decentralization can work with complete board games or the likes, stuff you will never update/fix.

You also forget, if you have a market of real $ about random game assets... that's gonna fall under fucking gambling, and that bring massive regulation and problems.
That's the real reason blizzard killed diablo AH. (plus incoming lawsuits of users mad about items nerfs)

>>54391820
But yeah you can do interoperability to some extent sure. But the items will have to act differently across games and the stats will need to be extremely simplistic.

You can do it, I know how I would if I had funding.
You need to build around slow paced turn based experience in most cases. Good crypto games would be extremely strategic with high stakes and in most cases almost random number generators. Exploring a randomly generated dungeon would probably take a long time and you would need to careful plan each move.

Any kind of turn based game is a good possibility. Diplomacy is a great game for blockchain because most of the game is actually very simple but humans have to work together to make alliances and such.

There are no good game developers who know what they are doing in this space. But I know what I would do if I was able to make something. I am waiting on something like Pulsechain where it has smart contracts and faster cheaper transactions then I want to explore some development ideas.

>>54391871
>Any complex online game will always need a developer with full control.

Yeah exactly, the games need to be extremely simple.
One aspect that is fun about the gambling. Oddly enough its very hard to do random number generators. Gambling is not possible in a crypto game, you actually want to do design everything so that it has a specific outcome.

Loot boxes are not a good idea with NFTs oddly enough lol... Everything has to be done in a way where emphases is on predictable strategy and outcomes. Like playing chess. You want you games to be designed around choices you make and planning ahead and the only randomization is other players choices.

>>54391620
It is logical to protect a financial investment

>>54391886
Yes, but if you need those different CENTRALIZED game makers and games to accept and use your token game assets... why use crypto?

Just use a normal account/database from those game makers supporting it, you have no freedom anyway.

>>54390919
Because they all play WoW or some game like it where you can bot farm any item into oblivion.

Also they are consumers that want to believe they live in a free world. They don't need to become millionaires because they have a box that distracts them from reality.

>>54391917
Chainlink vrf

>>54391863
>pricing out poof people from social media
That would unironically be a good thing. Imagination less brain dead losers on these sites. Meanwhile 4chan flourishes.

Anyway, I don’t like crypto because it’s gay and easy to lose.

>>54391943
>Yes, but if you need those different CENTRALIZED game makers and games to accept and use your token game assets... why use crypto?

A game built properly on crypto would be nothing more than a bunch of well executed smart contracts designed with specific rules. It would be entirely built to function on chain. There would be no servers, no upkeep costs, no central entity outside of the devs themselves.

The only thing the game devs can sell at that point would be to either collect a tax or selling the fancy UI front end.

It would not be a game in any traditional sense. It would be literally be just an extension of crypto itself.

>>54391968
Is this regarding a way to do proper random number generators? As far as I know Chainlink is going to exist on pulsechain.

Id like to try, designing stuff so everything has a predictable outcome in terms of strategy but some things can be randomized like the dungeon itself or anything that involves furthering strategic planning.

>>54391960
Dude, you miss the point.

Yes, a big part of videogames is escapism.
Man, videogames... are TOYS.

>>54392014
One of the secret things about the advantage nobody realizes with social virtual reality platforms. It becomes a social media network that prices out people who are unable to drop a couple grand on VR gear.

There may actually be a market for a social media platform that costs a premium just to use it.

>>54391708
I've seen some implementation of crypto (just tokens) in games that rely on players trading with each other(f.e. card games). It isn't anything really that smart which hasn't been done with fiat, but I've rarely seen it implemented online and integrated into the game properly. It's more of an economics concept than a blockchain one, but I've found it to be very cool and having data(price) easily accessible to both the players and devs makes the game easier to balance.

>>54391620
Gaming companies are evil you fucking strawmanning faggot. Crypto is innocent, that’s why the Feds are trying to ban it.

>>54392058
I don't think anyone has done it properly yet. The game has to be 100% on chain, I have not yet see anyone actually just get that part right. They always try to treat it like a traditional game where it has servers.

Like the game should be able to exist forever even if the government fucking kills the dev.

>>54392057
Maybe, but it’s too bad that programming is such a pain in the ass.

I just want to price out these champagne commies as much as possible. The more seethe this absence of net neutrality can cause for these mental patients the better.

>>54392071
>Crypto is innocent
Keep slurping that dip, baggie, and maybe one day you can tell your employer to fuck off.

Verification not required

>>54391529
you can have a centralized development team and a decentralized item storage system

NFTs are objectively cringe.
all alt maxies are objectively cringe.
late adopter bitcoin maximalists are objectively cringe.
if you disagree then you're no different to the guy in op just on the other side of the fence.

the only non-cringe proponents of crypto simply don't talk about it other than pointing out bitcoin as a digital escape hatch the same way gold is a physical one
take it any further than that, and you're embarrassing yourself even to gamers.
if you're playing in the altcoin sandpit just admit you're here to make money, you or your bags are never going to change the world.

>>54392102
Imagine something like twitter but literally everyone is separated in a blatant caste system.

Bronze accounts cost 100 a month
Plat account is a 1000 a month
Diamond is 100000

you would have a network where only people capable of spending that much can talk to each other. If it reduces the noise a bit hey maybe that's a good thing, maybe only bother talking to people that matter is your cup of tea.

Id probably consider being a bronze just to see what the actual humans have to say.

>>54392119
Problem is, a lot you crypto hating morons don't realize that MOST people over time gain more from crypto than they lose. if you are holding a not shit coin for more than 2 years you are pretty much always in the green.

Because gamers are fucking man-childs. Grown up men are spending their time pursuing intellectual and physical excellence, which is condusive to making money and fucking quality women, whereas a man - child spends his time playing video games that are tailored for undeveloped brains of 12year olds. Clearly, crypto interests people who are thinking about revolutionary technology, human progress and making money, meanwhile these Peter Pan pedos are playing childish games and masturbating to chink cartoons.

>>54390932
Holy shit, I used to do that despite being 25 year old at the time. Thank fuck crypto saved my dumb ass and I mostly use my 4090 to dabble in blender nowadays.

>>54392222
While the stuff you said about video games is true, there’s nothing revolutionary about crypto. Crypto nowadays just interests normies who want to quit their jobs and I saying it’s not enough to tell anyone to fuck off.

>>54392163
That’s something I’d want to see. I said earlier that I want to price out champagne communists, but the opposite would be even funnier. Imagine these rich leftists paying for the highest tier just to spout their bullshit opinions. I remember someone saying that blue check marks before Elon were actually paid for in five figure increments to make the journos seem more legitimate than their contemporaries. FUCKING LOOOOOOL!

Didn’t the ATH happen two years ago? People make money off crypto, that’s true, people also financially devastate themselves and even commit sudoku if they do it “wrong”. It’s a little too easy to get fucked with crypto, yet these crypto fags will tell you with a straight face WAGMI when they’ve already either made it or sunk 6 figures after a decade.

>>54392222
don't fool yourself, 99% of everyone in crypto today is treating it like a video game. they're losing money in the altcoin casino and becoming emotionally attached to the grifting leaders of their favorite alt, like sergey.

a video game addiction is less costly for the vast majority of crypto "investors" that jumped in late. at least peolpe wasting their time on video games know it's just entertainment. people bagholding worthless alts actually delude themselves into thinking they're part of something that matters.

>>54392351
>Didn’t the ATH happen two years ago?

It will be 2 years in November I think. But if you just look at the charts you can see that the vast majority of people who bought in the last 10 years tend to be in the green. Provided they didn't panic sell over and over again.

>>54392351
>there’s nothing revolutionary about crypto.

I mean it just shifts the responsibility to the populace to manage their money. Which is a really big deal considering governments do some pretty awful shit to maintain their fiat currencies. Take that out of the equation and then the worst that happens is someone torchers you for your keys in your own home pulling your teeth, poking your eyes and chopping off your fingers until they they have your money.

You know, good stuff like that... Freedom...
You wont have to pay taxes anymore though, so that's a plus. lol

>>54392450
Crypto by itself right now is legitimately a video game. Its an MMO and trading is absolutely a video game.

>>54392450
>a video game addiction is less costly for the vast majority of crypto "investors" that jumped in late.

Opportunity cost absolutely fucking destroys the average gamer in massive amounts of untold amounts.

>>54392021
Everything is escapism from the fact that we live in an amoral universe. Your society will become increasingly weird and alien to you, then demons will rape you and you'll die. Stocks and money won't save you. Just have fun while you still can.

>>54391620
Defending your investments is a little different to spending hours shilling for your favourite kike game publisher FOR FREE

>>54392019
Yes Chainlink nodes can generate truly random outputs among other services too. Chainlink is on many blockchains...why would you care about pulsechain it's literally a scam lol

>>54392119
>trusting ((them)) with your digital assets
Nice. You deserve everything you get.

>>54390919
people are just NPCs. They can't possibly understand why people may not have faith in the current system and could explore the concept of a decentralized currency nobody can control. nor can they understand that copy and pasting an NFT is no different than copy and pasting intellectual property. (Hurr hurr NFTs are only jpegs because f the monkey thing xD). Hell, PAX East is STILL REQUIRING FUCKING MASKS IN THE YEAR OF 2023, IT'S BEEN THREE FUCKING YEARS. It's just that this community is filled to the brim with normalfaggots. Get better hobbies

>>54392591
>why would you care about pulsechain it's literally a scam lol

Any kind of proof of stake chain with smart contracts has a lot of value for gaming. You cant use proof of work for gaming because the fees are too high. If ETH had penny transactions I would never look further.

A game cant be playable where every single thing you do costs 10 bucks.

>>54390919
Video games were ruined back in 2007. Might as well profit from it.

>>54392222
aspiring to fuck random women falls within the realm of the man child

>>54391863
Was the Net Neutrality psyop the biggest corporate-funded psyop in history? The number of basedboys that were literally ready to die for Net Neutrality was hilarious.

>>54392121
Why? What's the gain? Full centralization is cheaper/faster for the same result.
At that point crypto is just marketing, you can't do "half" decentralization.

>>54392058
Question:

How do you nert/buff/bugfix/revoke those trading cards/game assets nft that people paid alot for?
You can't, and this will legit kill the game by making it unbalanced/pay to win.

That's why you see no nft implementation in current running legit online games.

>>54390919
the sooner you realise that the "NPC meme" is not really just a meme, things will make much more sense.
People are programmed not to think for themselves or even be true to themselves but to spew what someone else told them, specially if its a (((trusted news))) source, fact checked and peer reviewed ofc.

the older you get, the more you filter people, one of the reasons most of us have less and less friends, you start to really see how people are.
and lastly, never trust nor entertain someone how lies to themselves.
take it easy OP and don't think too much about it.

>>54393070
>Why? What's the gain? Full centralization is cheaper/faster for the same result.
>At that point crypto is just marketing, you can't do "half" decentralization.


>>54393070
>Question:
>How do you nert/buff/bugfix/revoke those trading cards/game assets nft that people paid alot for?

Same thing you do with anything else. You modify the smart contract.

>You can't, and this will legit kill the game by making it unbalanced/pay to win.

Pay to win is impossible when the entire point is to play to earn. If the entire point of the game is to make money or gain value then pay to win is functionally obliterated as a concept.

The people selling the items they earned by playing the game are the ones winning. Not the other way around.

>That's why you see no nft implementation in current running legit online games.

Because nobody knows how to do it and they all make shit scam projects that don't work.

>>54393141
>>>54393070
>>Why? What's the gain? Full centralization is cheaper/faster for the same result.
>>At that point crypto is just marketing, you can't do "half" decentralization.

whoops didn't respond properly
This correct, you go all in or not at all. Half centralization makes the entire thing pointless.

>>54392222
Nice quads Andrew Tate

>>54392014
Poor people are the ones who waste all their money on useless, edonistic and status-signaling purchases. They'd pay $100 per month for socials without even flinching. Hell, they'd BRAG about buying the most expensive pack.

>>54393353
This would be a pretty interesting prospect for sure. hmm

>>54393353
Because they have nothing else to brag about, you’re totally right

>>54391529
>You must understand, videogames are centralized.
>You NEED a clear and legally liable publisher for a safe download/client/support.
>You NEED the developers to have FULL CONTROL OVER ALL GAME ASSETS

counterpoint

>>54390974
What about the good aspects of nft’s. What if your digital gaming library for example were nft’s that you owned and could trade instead of not even owning them and all of them being on Steam which Gabe controls.

>>54390919
Gamers want to be able to buy their way through games and own everything. If things are rare and unique, how will the bads get them? They wont.

>>54394051
>>54390919
K heres what threatens them. Highly skilled player earns NFT through highly skilled gameplay bads cant compete with. Highly skilled player is now entitled to sell his NFT for money, to actual bads. Bads will have it on their record they paid for it and actually suck, and skilled players get all the money reward. Thats what they dont want.

they're just mad they heard of btc when it came out and did nothing

>>54394077
Pay to win will be impossible in a play to earn setup. Yep 100%
The secret is, a lot of people like pay to win.

>>54394110
Understanding play to earn is pay to earn and you make profits and its not about the game is everything. Nobody chose Axies because they thought it was more fun than Skyrim for example. They chose it because it makes money.

>>54390919
They hate they missed out and that they can't afford decent graphic cards no more.

>>54394134
>>54394110
Like the first scenario I described is not play to earn, p2e. Nobody earns money, its not about making money, but it is about rewarding skill.The NFT would be tied to gear in game, the game would not actually pay people for playing. Some people get rare items that can be traded and those items have in game value but not real world value.
If you get money just for playing, if everyone gets money and the incentive to play is money its p2e. If the NFT is just a rare sword in game, thats not p2e.

>>54394179
Also this would mean people who initially get NFTs did not pay to mint them, they earned them. Any value later on, any bads buying is just a way of rewarding the skilled player.

>>54394207
Also you could put a royalty on the NFT so that the initial player makes money every time its traded, and of course the dev studio gets a cut. Say 2% dev 1% player.

>>54394134
If you buy expensive gear so you can do X activity you will be doing it because you intend to turn a profit. The fact that everything is documented and everyone can see what you accomplished completely destroys pay to win as a concept.

Your high score and success is your profits. No its debatable if buying up the best stuff allows you to stomp on plebs but if the game is designed properly this is mitigated by disincentivizing such behavior.

>>54394179
>>54394207
Yeah pretty much.
Play to earn functional works by making it so you loot is minted by your actions and you can decide to do stuff with it. break it down into ingredients, sell it on the market ect. It creates a really interesting market.

Some people might even play the market as their form of fun buying and selling like any other crypto. If iron swords are worth 10 bucks each and go up to 20 people can sell the top.

Basically play to earn, is a more entertaining convoluted version of proof of stake.

>>54394256
I personally would just add a small fee on the auction house. Repairing gear would also cost something too. Normally anything that would be a "gold sink" in a p2e environment would be how you make money from the game.

>>54390919
Because gaming is a normie hobby now, not an awakened wizard hobby like it was until the late 2000s.

The ascended wizards became the likes of vitalik and nazarov. The normie cattle eats up whatever narrative is thrown at them

>>54392553
Some people are afraid of clowns. I just want to fuck them. How is that called? Coulrophilia? Also, sauce please and OF of this semen demon

>>54390919
Gamers =/= gaymers
Weebs =/= troons

Know the difference it might save your life

>>54394311
Its just the CS:GO skins market except with NFTs on chain and Steam cant stop it by regulating their market.

>>54394556
It cant be because CS:GO itself is impossible to function as a blockchain game. We have yet to see an actual example of a proper crypto game yet. If you can gain an advantage with wall hacks or aim assist then its not indicative market for a blockchain game.

Also loot boxes don't work when you cant do random chance for items.

Test

>>54393019
Like all other psyops. Then one day no one talked about it anymore. Ozone hole is another hysteria. Covid when Ukraine war started. I don’t think the west has known peace without psyops since Caesar

>>54394556
But as to your point which I kind of side stepped. Sorta kinda maybe... I think the game being on chain itself ends up changing the dynamic enough that you cant think of it in such a simple way.

Like you might not even be able to do stuff unless you have certain items that only exist because people made or earned them.

>>54394110
>people
npcs. A lot of npcs like pay to win since they’re the narcissistic, psychopathic worthless shit that doesn’t give a fuck about effort and just all the cool toys before throwing them out immediately and whining about the game sucking ass.

I’ve seen this happen to wow where hard effort was supplanted with convenience.
>what does it matter to you if I ruin the immersive, effort based environment by paying money for stuff and characters I won’t value afterwards since I have no attachment to them?

>>54394311
>If iron swords are worth 10 bucks each and go up to 20 people can sell the top
Runescape 99 smithing bros it's FINALLY OUR TIME

>>54394653
You say that like they would have the same level of motivation to ban cheaters as a company who doesnt need to keep customer funds safe from security risks. Pretty much hackers would be the same thing as someone who can flash loan attack the whole system, they would be shut out as priority #1.

>>54394773
>I’ve seen this happen to wow where hard effort was supplanted with convenience.

They just end up becoming consumers for actual players to profit off of. Play to earn does have some interesting aspects but it will be pretty cut throat and you might actually lose money if you get fucked into a corner by cartels ect...

One of the biggest aspects of proof of stake coins n cryptocurrency is the emergence of cartels. Player to earn is likely to result in similar behavior.

>>54390974
>GPU mining fucked pc gaming for years
not really, videogames didnt really make some grand leap in technology and at this point even ancient cards can play most games on high settings.
also this whole GPU thing is something from the past, nobody mines with their GPUs anymore, now its all about AI and generating.
>NFT/on-chain gaming stinks like shit
maybe if you are very low IQ and dont understand the advantages.
Imagine a videogame company that cant fuck you out of your ingame assets, an ingame economy that cant be cheated or NFTs could also be used for achievments and coupons and all of these things are tradable on 3rd markets that cant be shut down.

>>54394817
>>54394653
>how to find a game where companies have active moderation that ban hackers immediately on sight and specifically look them out
>require customer funds be protected from security risks
And theres a hidden improvement to the gaming industry, how many times have you said gee this game needs people watching hackers and banning them fast, instead of some report now include a video clip maybe we give a shit in 6 days system like literally every game uses now.

>>54394845
>Imagine a videogame company that cant fuck you out of your ingame assets, an ingame economy that cant be cheated or NFTs could also be used for achievments and coupons and all of these things are tradable on 3rd markets that cant be shut down.

You can easily still end up in a situation where the devs modify the smart contract to reduce the stats of an item for balance reasons. The NFT is just ownership. The smart contract determines the stats.

>>54394653
I know of exeedme, a gaming project that integrates real world games to the blockchain instead of trying to build theirs, last time I checked, they had CS:GO, dota2 etc.
it's one of the gaming projects I'm actually rooting for alongside sandbox and holoride

>>54391941
>financial investment
>digi tulips
Pick one

>>54390919
Truth is, most of the existing blockchain games aren't living up to expectations and far off from gaining the level of adoption people seek, the projects focus more on token rather than developing a proper playable game

>>54394909
Its an interesting concept.
But if I had a choice to play a turn based strategy game where everything you do matters and all actions are on chain it would be a much cleaner experience I think.

>>54394896
>modify the smart contract
depends on the smart contract, they could also make it so its like set in stone and cant be changed.
and if they have to modify it for balancing reasons they could pay you with ingame currency or drop new NFT items to you as compensation.
the possibilities are endless.

>>54394896
>>54394949
What about a system with multiple contracts, one for each patch which adds new NFTs and each patch has its contract renounced proving it cannot be edited

>>54394980
>>54394949
>>54394896
In other words locked in balance and the assurance that no, your ability wont be nerfed later on only potentially power crept by other things.

>>54392222
I play games like a motherfucker, bench 300lbs, run trail ultras, have a math degree, play guitar, purple belt in bjj, have massive crypto bags, have a MD waifu and make over 6 figures. Sit down.

>>54394940
>Truth is, most of the existing blockchain games aren't living up to expectations and far off from gaining the level of adoption people seek, the projects focus more on token rather than developing a proper playable game

Oh god this is such an insane problem. A proper play to earn game should not even have a minting process. It should literally be a playable experience day one and those that play first get cool stuff sooner. Simple as.

>>54394949
True

Though one way to determine balance would be to make it so every stat on an item has a monetary value. So if we find out that strength is far more valued than DEX or Endurance per point then we can simply set a max dollar value for each stat on every item in the game.

Thus if a special 2 hand axe has 150 USD cap for the strength stat and everyone pours value into strength because it fulfils some high end meta build then the value of strength per point increases via market value thus reducing how much strength the axe provides.

The axe will end up with fluctuating values for the strength bonus via the free market then we don't need to manually nerf it. Balance just becomes a free market adjustment. Min maxing becomes an extension of playing the market.

>>54394980
>>54395030
So there are so many ways to hand this its insane. Shame that its completely unexplored right now because the only people actually doing anything are scam artists with no idea how to actually do anything cool.

I find it funny when games complain about crypto being a useless waste of energy. Like they lack the capability for self awareness.

>>54395143
https://www.youtube.com/@penguinz0
This guy has 12 million subscribers, mostly related to gaming and literally every time anything crypto comes up he shits a brick about how its a scam and you have to be 50IQ to buy into it. Even Bitcoin itself. Most these people sperging about NFTs in gaming got their opinion right from him no personal thought involved.

>>54395214
>>54395143
Also yea he probably put like 50k of his viewer bucks into Bitcoin at like 60k and sold at 40k so now hes lost so much he may as well just fud it and hope it goes away. Sad.

>>54390919
The grunts of the gaming industry are majority left wing nutjobs and self proclaimed socialists that hate everything that makes profit, meanwhile the CEOs and the other top company officials are merciless business men. Guess which group makes the financial decisions. NFTs are gonna be the next big thing in gaming just as subscription services are the money maker today

>>54394909
>holoride
Can't exactly classify it to be a blockchain game, they had a vr gaming company already going before they launched a token, the blockchain part is like a side catch
That's how it should be for most gaming projects imo

>>54390932
Anon is right. These “people” deserve to eat ze bugz, and I will gladly help Papa Klaus program the panopticon dystopian prison of their choice.

>1pbtid
>sub zero IQ Biztards respond with full Aspie paragraphs
Its time to stop. Trolling used to be an artform

>>54395214
Its so weird that I straight up have to think that these people are low key being paid to fud crypto. And yeah 9 times out of 10 if I talk about it people freak out and they don't even know how it works lol...

>>54395294
Put yourself in the shoes of someone who didnt buy in at 300$ and didnt buy in at 3000$ and didnt buy in at 30,000$ so they bought in at 50,000$ and then lost money. Yea theyre mad, theyre angry that they are dumb and admitting they are dumb is harder than hoping all crypto goes away because they already missed being a millionaire on a thousand dollars. Crypto just reminds them their entire life is shit because they failed already.

>>54390919
Because NFT shills basically talk about ramping up all the worst parts of gaming like microtransactions, and generally don't understand why people actually enjoy games. Listening to them talk about terrible ideas while acting like they're inventing something great is painful.

I love crypto and there might be some cool uses for NFTs, but when it comes to games crypto people are retarded.

>>54390919
>and saying that crypto/NFTs are going to ruin video games
They're right. Loot crates, excessive DLC, and in-game currencies are just a taste of what's to come.

>>54395324
>>54395294
And yea as for that streamer, he has 12 million subscribers but what he doesnt have is crypto money. Hes jealous, even from his especially comfy chair because other people are even more successful than him.

>>54395331

>>54395287
We’re not trolling anymore. We legitimately hate you consoomer faggots and your weak will. If you refuse to fight for even the most basic of human rights, you deserve the pain that is ahead. Klaus was right, most of you will eat ze bugs and be happy so long as it has a capeshit happy meal toy with it.

>>54395331
Vote with your wallet, but you wont lol

>>54395346

>>54395346
Yes play to earn games are more about proof of engagement rather than personal fun, and you make money rather then have fun. Proof of intelligence maybe, card games are the benchmark. You have to be semi-intelligent to play and actually think the whole time, which is what gets rewarded. Engagement, the thing companies seek for profits.

>>54395331
>>54395325

>>54395364
That sounds awesome honestly, jeets make perfect NPCs.
>Please sir do quest sir go find my shoe sir
>You son of bastard bich you stole shoe i kill u!

>>54395324
I mean, I dont even think its that complicated. I think these people are just stupid and aping things other people have told them.

I watched a 2 hour video of a guy shitting on NFTs and the entire video could be boiled down to.
"The technology is sound but there are no good projects"

Not having good projects does not suddenly mean the technology isn't sound! LOL
These people are fucking DUMB. They are MORONS that have no inner thought. They don't QUESTION or CONTEMPLATE they just FOLLOW.

>>54395325
>I love crypto and there might be some cool uses for NFTs, but when it comes to games crypto people are retarded.

Eradicating pay to win is obviously worth it. But most people cant understand this concept. I think with that said, most genre's of games cant really translate well to crypto in a reasonable way.

>>54395394
Nah that part is gay, I dont want shit some blacksmith mined to be used for space game exploitation.Play the space game or dont, if anything is cancer here its casualization. Thats always the real cancer, lowering the skill floor, making it easy on bads who dont even try.

>>54395427
NFTs are useless if they dont have utility that much Ill admit, if its not tied to something within a system and doesnt confer some advantage or benefit. If its just a picture, collectors item thats useless.
Requiring an NFT to even play the game is more like it, need to buy an NFT to make money.

>>54395249
I agree, that's how it should be

>>54394940
was kinda saying the same thing, if gaming projects make it more about product, utility and gameplay then I believe some teenage boys who call themselves gamers won't be shitting on us

The average gamer
"Id rather travel down the Hegelian dialectic rabbit hole of Diablo immortal clones until the end of time then consider the idea making it so other players are the ones that profit most from my microtransactions."

Klaus is right. FUCK EM.

>>54395535
>If its just a picture, collectors item thats useless.

Its not even that. The ONLY use case NFTs have right now is for a properly decentralized blockchain video game to store and trade items on your wallet without a need to pay for servers or a central entity.

Every other use case is null.

>>54395535
>Requiring an NFT to even play the game is more like it, need to buy an NFT to make money.

This would be pretty based actually. It would be a way to setup an account without having to pay for servers. You can use the nft as a way to have a right to play the game.

Kinda cool. Would eliminate the fuck out of bots.

>>54390919
Because they're idiots.

>>54390919
A mix of "muh GPUs" and missing the train of something that they were probably exposed to very early on but chose to ignore.

>>54395596
Maybe you should look up what Alpies are, its part of the #2 crypto on BSC ignoring Venus because nobody uses that at all, Cake being #1. You need one to get 4.5x boosted leverage above the normal 3 people can use for example, and you will need them to play the game at all in its first stages. Breedable, so you can make more with combined traits.

>>54395704
Its interesting but I don't know.
I feel like the best system for a play to earn game is to set it up so the players make the most profit while the devs get a small cut. Which might sound stupid but if the most money trading hands is players to players then it increases activity and makes up only getting a small cut of each transaction. Having NFTs to simply play the game feels like it would cut into the bottom line a bit.

I want to look into making a good crypto game but I want to wait a couple months to see how things pan out.

I dot like having a gateway NFT to reduce bots though so eh.

>>54395249
same one working with audi, been following them up for a while, they won a major award at ces earlier this year, I was there.

>>54395831
Yea they hired some magic card game champion to help design the mechanics and he changed their direction on a few things in ways that would promote larger adoption rather than personally benefiting me as a holder. The games not out yet, they keep releasing art of the characters which are not the actual alpie NFTs and what they show. I dont know what epic and rare traits will mean in game yet but it has to be something or the game will die before it starts. I minted a double epic trait one for example and never listed it, theres 5000 BSC alpies and 5000 ETH, the BSC ones are all evil and the Eth ones all good/angelic. The cheapest ones are below the minting cost right now at like 0.4 0.5 BNB, which means thats how much it costs to get extra leverage when farming cake. Thats what Alpaca actually does, lets you borrow cake to farm with, or other cryptos. Its decentralized leverage farming on BSC and theyre branching into a play to earn game to boost the price of the Alpaca currency itself when the game comes out. Alpaca is deflationary its also worth mentioning. Their main focus has always been on security which is sort of interesting given hackers and security was one issue someone else mentioned earlier.

>>54395364
We’re reaching levels of dystopia I’m no longer comfortable with.

>>54395924
I think all play to earn gaming really comes down to is more convoluted and entertaining variations of locking up currency with the goal of gaining leverage.

If you understand that then everything else falls in line pretty easily. Players lock up items by equipping them and then it just comes down to the choices you make and strategies you form around different situations.

In the end, its just proof of stake.

>>54396058
The NFTs have a royalty that doesnt go to the developers its used to buy back and burn alpaca itself, every trade of an NFT related to the game pumps Alpaca.

>>54396079
Hey, ya gotta make money somehow.

>>54396079
>>54396058
Also like I said its deflationary, theres fees on the farming that pump it, theres fees on liquidation that pump it, theres fees on early withdrawal from governance that pumps it. They have a stablecoin called AUSD, its all done to pump Alpaca itself.

>>54391620
There's one of the 50 iq NPCs now.

My only issue is I rarely see a blockchain game that grabs me. Its usually maybe kinda interesting on some front but... I don't know.

>>54390932
Literally this. They're the biggest NPCs around, even the "edgy" ones are NPCs

>>54390932
fucking retard, every board is the same.
/v/ is console war dumbasses
/g/ is gpu manufacturer dumbasses/OS dumbasses
/biz/ is my crypto is better than your crypto dumbasses as well as bobo/mumu dumbasses

>>54391595
I got offered bitcoin for a team fortress 2 hat back in 2011. Nah, I'll rather have the $200 in paypal i said.
I don't hate crypto though, only myself for being an idiot.

>>54390932
True. Just go on /v/ and look at all the anons simping for remakes and buying games for political reasons

>>54399072
I just checked out that board the other day because i wanted to see if there are any csgo skin market threads there because the one we had here got deleted and i checked out instantly because all i could see was troon crap.

>>54399165
Most /v/ threads are:
>consume new product
>trannies
>seething about zoomers
>vidya butts
>e-celebs

>>54393070
There shouldn't be any refunds for player traded cards and players should expect that a strong card will get nerfed. This obviously separates the player base into people that have money and don't care about it, and people that will try to grind out to stay on top. Another option is people rolling over and over for a strong card until there's too much of that card in circulation. Now that I'm thinking more about it, it's looks more like a market simulator than anything else.

>>54390919
all gamer youtube channels seethe over NFTs in nearly every video, like yongyea and skillup

>>54390919
No one cares about gamers, they can melt in their chairs and shitty room. Crypto is based and here to stay, being able to transact freely with enough privacy is a flex.

>>54391776
True but that's just one application of the blockchain tech. Defi, Web3, AI and ZKPs are other aspects to consider.

Crypto will first go in mobile, these gamers don't gaf and will like owning their shit

>game ID has attached ownership of games(licenses)
>can install these on whatever platform you prefer (so platforms need to provide more than just having game exclusives and rely on their features)
>bans/suspensions follow on that game ID across accounts
>game ID linked to DID
>you goto prison for baiting trannies in harry potter and your dog is fed to the bugs
Nft and ownership of in-game items is small potatoes

>>54393070
>Why? What's the gain? Full centralization is cheaper/faster for the same result.

- You can have items that work in multiple games
- You can trade and sell your items without game developers having to worry about being involved in your taxes
- You can call people nigger without losing your items

>>54391708
>>54392019
Has any of you retards actual written a smart contract or even just build with it? You are drooling on your keyboard

>>54391708
I've thought for a long time that MMORPGs like RuneScape and WoW would work really well on the blockchain, however in RuneScape's case they really really hate real world trading and botting, which being an on chain game would actively invite both.
Well, I say they hate real world trading but you can buy bonds from them and trade them for in game money. So really they're fine with real world trading as long as they get their cut. Maybe they could set it up so you could trade money for RScoin which you can then trade to whatever other crypto you want.

>>54390919
Because people who base their personalities around subcultures are stupid faggots.
I play games. I'm not a "gamer".

Gaming has to do with computers, computers are modern, and engineers who make them and program them are smart. So gamers think they're just "smart" by proximity. It's part of their self-styled identity, and how they cope with being losers ("I'm too smart for sports!")

So, what do self-styled smart people do? They listen to the "correct" opinions, and repeat them to other people who have "correct" opinions, so they can all feel good about being smart and cool and correct. But what's smart and cool and correct? Obviously, whatever the powers that be (specifically academia and the press in this case) decide it is.

So the powers that be tell gamers (who want to be cool and smart) that cool and smart people don't like crypto/ NFTs, so that's what gamers believe.

>>54390919
Gamers are smarter than cryptofags and know an obvious scam when they see it.

>>54390919
Why are white people like this? I like games too from time to time.. mostly app games, but why do whites always make the most so'y faces and have the most so'y bodies?

>>54395427
You don't need crypto to eradicate pay to win. Games were buy to play and that's it for many, many years and did fine.

>>54399400
And Bellular. And Upper Echelon.
And so do their audiences. Perhaps it's a sign that this blockchain gaming thing really isn't catching on and was a bad idea to begin with.

>>54390932
fpbp
After lurking /biz/ for a while you really can't help but hate the cattle mentality of the average /v/ consumer. Or the fags who are anti piracy and try to explain that physical DRM and system locked media is better than data you can easily transfer and keep across a variety of devices.

>>54390919
You're not getting our money so we can play games.

>>54392630
Eth l2s? Arbitrum Nova? Many better options than another Richard Heart scam. The guy is literally a massive grifter. Eth base layer is Proof of Stake right now, that doesn't mean cheap fees. It merely means energy expenditure needed to advance chain state is much lower.

High decentralization and censorship resistance means high fees. High throughput and low cost can be achieved by sacrificing some rapid settlement guarantees and going to a roll-up.

Honestly you seem extremely unaware of what the state of things is with the eth ecosystem and probably got hooked on Pulse or Hex because there's a wave of retards on Twitter who shill them. Please do yourself a favor and dig deeper into the tech and the landscape.

>>54390919
Because they have been nerds for all their life following everything about computers and yet they still missed the opportunity to 100x their wealth

>>54403555
Trips of truth.

>>54390919
Have you played "crypto games"? At best they are browser games, usually they are like zynga mobile games but with a shitty pay to win mechanic shoehorned in.

>>54395394
Is this what bugmen think about when the imagine the future?

>>54391529
The ability to have legitimately unique items and rewards as NFTs is going to upturn MMORPGs imo

>>54390919
They are absolutely right. Pay to play, in game purchasing and subscription model gaming is absolute cancer.

>>54391529
>Crypto (blockchains, decentralized databases in a trustless env) is 100% useless for gaming.
Wrong. It is the perfect place to save a record of transactions/events as an anti cheat mechanism . However that is not what the dribbling retards at the low end of teh crypto spectrum think about these turd world scammers think about in game purchases in a pseudo-flash clone of angry birds on a mobile and judging by OP are upset and crying in public because their shit stinks

>>54390919
I love video games and crypto

>>54390919
Gamers are subhuman echochambers

>>54390974

Nigga you don't even need to burn $5000 for a PC and buy the latest $2000 GPU to run most games above 100 fps in ultra. Most of the time you could buy a $2500 prebuild and run absolutely every games without issues. If you can't afford that then too fucking bad because those are the same prices you had to pay before crypto mining even became hot.

Most people were just overreacting and using the mining issue to shit on crypto.

As for NFTs, i don't get it, these same retards burn thousands of dollars on gachapon shit gambling games on CS GO but complain about NFTs being a scam.

It has more to do that the gaming community has been overtaken by left-wing/woke influencers/furry trannies and those people decided that crypto is evil, so their followers followed the same way of thinking.

>>54402620
Dude, remember you can't upload shit on the chain, only link/pointers to a normal internet database, your game assets will still rely on official game servers to exist.
They can still easy delete, drop or ban you and those assets like now.

Also, royalties.

>>54402707
Yeah, good luck with all the means game assets can be fucked with.
Hell, a game asset can be voided just by changing a bit of the game around it, what do you do then? Is not like they touched it.

>>54406095
Why? We already have unique shit, what's the point of a nft?

To "sell" it? To who and why? If a "1 place game prize" (and those are mostly timed to exist only for current game season) can be sold, it will also lose all value. (and you are way overstimating how much gamers care about those things, there is no market anyway)

>>54406161
Dude, you have no idea how anticheats works, some blockchain implementation will not help at all.
The game need to be FULLY on the blockchain.

>>54390919
the npc gamers were told to hate it. they would like it if they were told to like it. their opinion can pivot in an instant. could be one day you'll wake up and somehow every npc gamer got the download that they like crypto now.
i dunno what the pc gamers think about it, probably indifferent

>>54390919
Bull shit.
Alpine Esports has entered the crypto space partnering with Binance and QANplatform.
>This will melt all the faces
>Fuck the morons