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P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

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Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about.

https://anarkio.codeberg.page/agorism/
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://moneromarket.io/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/services

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards (currently US & CA only, UK, EU & AUS coming soon)
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Buy silver/gold bullion with XMR (US only)
https://monerosilver.com/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.win/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>AlphaBay STATUS UNCLEAR!!
>Archetyp
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>Asur Market
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Dark Matter
>Darkmoon
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Mellow Market
>Retro Market
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/yaUPVLvk


>LocalMonero is now available on I2P
http://lm.i2p/nojs/


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Majestic Bank
>Elude
>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/AnkqVGjp


or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me/
https://unstoppableswap.net/


>Want to support further development? Donate to the Monero General Fund or MAGIC Monero Fund
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Have a particular set of skills? Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

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START RUNNING AN I2P NODE
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>What is I2P?

I2P is an anonymized P2P overlay network akin to the Tor network but with several key advantages over it. I2P is now replacing Tor as the go-to darknet and will play a pivotal role in growing the Monerocentric economy.


>Why should I care? Why should I run a node?

Increasing shadow economy adoption and the proliferation of an XMR-only standard are what guarantee that XMR will have a floor and won't also crash to zero when the Crypto Casino finally implodes. XMR's long-term outlook is therefore *strongly* correlated with the darknet, you may have already noticed how the number of TXs begins to drop whenever the glowies attack & cripple the Tor network, which underscores just how critical it is that the darknet wins this war against the State. Make no mistake: if the darknet is allowed to die XMR will take a devastating hit as well.

So by running an I2P node you are helping to make the network Monero thrives in that much more robust while also enraging glowies in the process. Win-win!


>OK, but how difficult is it? Do I have to store GBs worth of data like when running an XMR node?

It is literally as easy as installing an Android app and no, there are no storage requirements, the node only consumes some bandwidth.


>Cool, I'm sold. What do?

If you have no interest in browsing the darknet yourself then the simplest solution is to install & run the I2Pd Android app on any compatible (Android 4.1+) device, ideally a TV box since they don't require recharging and are permanently online. But any old phone or tablet is fine too. Make sure you activate "start on boot" in the settings.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd-android/releases/latest


Otherwise just install the appropriate desktop client and leave it running.

https://github.com/PurpleI2P/i2pd/releases/latest


The console is accessed via http://127.0.0.1:7070/ or the menu in Android.

>No tail emission = Bitcoin is fucked

Right now, at the current hashrate, miners break even on energy expenses at a BTC price of $22K. Post 2024 halving, that break even point, at the current hashrate, goes up to $44K. If BTC does not go to $44K, miners will be unprofitable and hashrate will have to drop (miners going out of business) to reduce the cost of securing the network, also reducing the security.

If you know anything about the power of 2, you already know that things get very big, very fast. If we’re 3 halvings into 32 total halvings, then the estimated break even point for miners at current hashrate going into the last halving would be:

$22,000 * (2^27) = $2,952,790,016,000 per BTC

$2,952,790,016,000 per BTC * 21 Million total Bitcoin = $62,008,590,336,000,000,000 BTC Market Cap

The block rewards shrink so fast that after enough halvings Bitcoin would eventually require a $2.95 trillion price per Bitcoin and a $62 quintillion market cap to sustain the current cost of $7.15 billion/year.

Even if these numbers were somehow realistic, can you imagine securing a $62 quintillion market cap on only $7.15 billion/year of hashrate? LOL.

And that’s assuming energy costs do not increase at all over the next 120 years, which they will.

So basically BTC mining will eventually become so unprofitable the hashrate (network security) will shrivel up UNLESS it is subsidized by BTC transaction fees.

https://cryptostackers.substack.com/p/bitcoin-is-not-a-store-of-value

Anything that isn't PoW is a scam.
Anything that isn't ASIC resistant is a scam.

>Trusted technology, growing adoption

Zcash was launched by one of the most respected technical teams in the world.

Zcash is the 'https of blockchains,' protecting your freedom to save and spend as you like.

Zcash was the first project to implement zk-SNARKs, a novel form of zero-knowledge cryptography that gives its users the strongest privacy available in any digital currency.

Multiple, independent organizations are funded to innovate on Zcash.

Zcash is already available on top exchanges, digital wallets and a growing number of applications.

This is what Monero chuds dont want you to know.

Buy Zcash if you actually want to make it.

>>54367408
>massively undervalued
Don't you need a physical transfer of software to setup a Z-chode node???

>>54367382
>Ugly tranime girl, board of directors, POS.
Thats three strikes zcuck

>>54367408
>for regulators optional privacy

>kike project
>waifu holding a rosary
This reeks of that "good goy pls die for pissrael" army commercial. Shoe, jew!

Reporting in,
fuck Bitcoin.

Tapping in, Desu.
I love my wife Monero-chan and her huge honkers.
She's got some serious honkers.
Giant bonkhonagahoogs.
They really are great, aren't they?
Imagine playing with them for hours until she begs you to stop because they're becoming sore as you sync her nodes.
Not to mention her amazingly wide birthing hips.
Good God...
Please let me one day have baby making sex with Monero-chan.
That's all I ask for in this life...

Threadly reminder that there is now a parallel XMR General on the darknet imageboard BitChan where you can post with the absolute maximum degree of privacy possible.

Why bother? Well, remember that every time you post on 4chan the content + your IP address are being logged and that data can and will be made available to LE/glowies upon request.

So if you need to ask a very delicate question, want to make a potentially incriminating announcement or you otherwise just absolutely positively DO NOT WANT to risk being deanonymized, the BitChan thread would be the place to do it.

The slightly higher barrier to entry also serves as a sorely needed retard filter, so a lot of us post there simply to avoid the hordes of mouth breathers that befoul this otherwise delightful basket weaving forum.

>How do I access BitChan?

You need to have I2P configured & running on your device. Fortunately, pre-configured browser bundles are now available and make everything easy. Since most of you lazy faggots are still using Windows we'll default to that for the following guide:

1. Visit https://i2pd.website/ and click on 'Download I2PdBrowser'.
2. Download either the I2PdBrowserPortable_xxx.7z or .exe file. Extract/install it.
3. Run the StartI2PdBrowser.bat batch file to launch. Adjust firewall settings/port forward as required. Port forwarding > UPnP

A cmd window will pop up and initialize the process. A windowed Firefox instance should soon appear. DO NOT RESIZE IT! Browser fingerprinting is a thing. Once pic-related appears you are officially browsing the darknet! You can monitor yr I2P service by visiting http://127.0.0.1:7070/ in yr *regular* browser.

Then simply copy/paste the following link into the address bar as per usual:

http://bitchan.i2p/thread/BM-2cVPN9mi9oBKATjNxKkopHJSCU9ah7wQwW/047186ce462d

You may have to complete a CAPTCHA on your first visit. Also, NEVER, EVER ENABLE JAVASCRIPT!!!!

Keep in mind that page loading takes longer on the darknet, so be patient.

>>54367525
Hey retard, don't spoonfeed.

>>54367445
>Ugly tranime girl,

Helluva coincidence.

>>54367543
>Hey retard, don't spoonfeed.

Hey fed, don't roadblock.

>>54367408
>>54367382
And there you go >>54367591 feel free to contribute.

>>54367562
That's the best you got that somehow I'm a fed because I DON'T want more attention to another place? Then what does that make you?

>>54367636

What exactly are you worried about?

Glowies? They already know.

Mouth breathers? Its been 2 days already and none have made the effort to start posting.

>>54367636
Lets not act like i2p is some super secret spooky web. Its been around for 20 years and needs new users. The drooling retards wont bother going through the steps anyways so theres little point in gatekeeping

>>54365570
>>54367382

We do support Zcash, we need a safe space for the globohomo compliance™ crowd after all.

>>54367552
Its no coincidence

>>54367696
I'm more worried about your reddit spacing, to be honest, family, while shaking my head.
>>54367725
See that's the exact sort of thinking that has turned this place into such a shithole. Putting a copypasta directly linking this place to the eep are enough breadcrumbs to entice them to start with. All I'm saying is to just let them earn it.

>>54368206
I get where youre coming from, but even the fud here is limp wristed and futile, let alone on a DN platform. The trade off is keeping the thread active vs the potential for one or two shitheads that show up there a time or two before getting bored.

>>54368354
I'd rather just the QR code and announcing an analog on eep like someone did 2 threads ago than a babbys-first tier checklist for shitting up the other thread. I'm all about quality over quantity. If you're a real bro you're already running a floodfill, and the new update really has improved load times and connection rates.

Serious question, can we get more monero pepe middle fingers? I really dont give a shit about avax but the avax pepe middle fingers have been shitting up biz so much they are getting pretty funny. Whoever is editing these avax tuxedo pepes is an artist.

>>54368489
Maybe that is a better idea to work into the next thread.

>>54367696
Please just do a QR code and just announce the presence of the eep alternative.

>>54367485
Shame that Monero is still pegged to Bitcoin.

I've been running a Tor node for a few years now. ~10TB/month traffic. Should I switch to I2P?

>>54369157
>Please just do a QR code and just announce the presence of the eep alternative.

Jesus, bro, you're all worked up about nothing. Trolling/tardposting is demonstrably a non-issue on the darknet, you don't see it on Dread or any other darknet forums precisely because of all the existing roadblocks in place e.g. slower loading times, frequent timeouts, difficult CAPTCHAs, delayed post propagation, infrequent traffic, etc, that shit just ain't conducive to sustained trolling campaigns, trolling on 4chan is a breeze in comparison.

Its now, what, 3 days, since the parallel General was announced and there's been zero trolling. Sure, a retard or two will probably show up every once in a while but given the above, they're very likely to soon get bored and stop bothering altogether.

Meanwhile, think of all the newly onboarded I2P users that otherwise wouldn't have bothered if we didn't make it so easy for them. I2P is under sustained attack and NEEDS all the new users it can get, its literally the only viable long-term solution. And not only that, we NEED more active users on the darknet in general, we need more people getting comfortable with browsing the darknet, figuring out how to buy/sell shit on the darknet, the darknet is the bedrock of any future circular Monero economy and without sustained n00b influxes it will falter and deflate. .

So relax and enjoy the peace of mind that comes with knowing that every day I2P has become that much more robust precisely because some lurkers read those setup instructions and figured "hey, that sounds easy enough!".

>>54369555
>Should I switch to I2P?

TRIPS SAY YES

Monero users are wrong on:
tail emission
asic resistance in the case of no large scale attack on all factories at once
fungibility from an economic point of view
the idea that citizens will suddenly care about not being controlled and exploited (alas)
pseudonymity

it's a neat toy for privacy lovers, not much more than that, it can't replace bitcoin, but bitcoin can't replace monero either

>>54369858
>Monero users are wrong on:

Who gives a shit what Monero users think? The free market will decide who wins and who loses.

>>54369895
correct, and that market has decided that the last monero ATH was 5 years ago, and will never be acheived again for said reasons

>>54369983
Just to play devil's advocate: If monero really is the bees knees, how do we know its real time market cap?

>>54369983
>that market has decided that the last monero ATH was 5 years ago,

lmao that market also thinks literal dog memes are more valuable than actual currency that is used for buying/selling actual goods & services.

>and will never be acheived again for said reasons

lol pure unadulterated cope. 5 years ago, Monero-only darknet markets didn't even exist, hardly anybody used XMR and BTC reigned supreme on all fronts.

Today the darknet economy is majority Monero-only with ransomware piracy similarly moving to a Monero-only standard, transnational organized crime is likewise jumping onto the XMR bandwagon while clearnet commerce has also now started to experience full blown Monerofication. Pic related.

Now project this trend forward and just imagine where we'll be 5 years from NOW!

>>54370118
I would benefit if monero catch up because I own some because it's useful, but you have to realize that to catch up with bitcoin monero has to do x200, and then since bitcoin will probably suck most of the world finance, monero will have to also do x200 times that too.
yes the market thinks dog memes are more valuable than "actual" currencies. what do you think I can do about it? it is what it is.

>>54370242
>since bitcoin will probably suck most of the world finance

Yeah? On the basis of what EXACTLY?

>>54370258
based on the current trend and situation
like I've said monero has to do a x200 right now to even catch up

>>54369718
I don't get what it is with him and wanting to stop I2P adoption. Fucking silly.

>>54369858
>tail emission
Necessary for on chain security. You are retarded. Bitcoin will eventually die from lack of block reward.
>asic resistance in the case of no large scale attack on all factories at once
No ASIC resistance = no decentralization. Consensus being centralized into a few hundred ASIC facilities is not acceptable for something claiming to be decentralized.
>fungibility from an economic point of view
Objectively wrong. We can see this in the real world, you're just too stupid.
>the idea that citizens will suddenly care about not being controlled and exploited (alas)
You may or may not be right
>pseudonymity
Pseudonymity is worthless.

>it can't replace bitcoin
Already is. Wait wait wait, let me guess
>But bitcoin price go up! bitcoin worth many many dollar therefore it is good!

>>54370314
>based on the current trend and situation
Yeah based on the current trend and situation of dog memes doing 100000x. Thanks for your expert analysis.

>>54370395
if you can't even understand how the market determines the value of things (including the value of the dollar which for some reasons you mentioned) it's not surprising that you couldn't understand some things that require slightly more intelligence.
it's therefore a waste of time to talk with you as long as you don't understand such basic thing as a market price. by the way you are wrong on the various subjects you were replying. which explains why 1 xmr = around 0.005 btc currently.
your preferences have little to do with how the market value things.

lads

>>54370618
soon

some fagot posted this in the general the other day and after confirming with the person who originally posted the concern, this is not legit.
majestic bank is sus right now and would not recommend it

Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark in the hopeless swamps of the not-quite, the not-yet, and the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish in lonely frustration for the life you deserved and have never been able to reach. The world you desire can be won. It exists, it is real, it is possible ...it is yours.

>>54367525
Surprised at the amount of russian, but seems very interesting.
I will be lurking on there now, thanks for sharing anon.

The power on my block went out for about 10 minutes, my computer was mining. My daemon refuses to sync now. Log just shows error messages over and over with no solution or suggestion. I just finished downloading the blockchain, I dont want to wait another 2 days to do this again. Im using the GUI wallet. What can I do to get this running again?

>>54369555
You should run both

>>54370525
>if you can't even understand how the market determines the value of things (including the value of the dollar which for some reasons you mentioned) it's not surprising that you couldn't understand some things that require slightly more intelligence.
>it's therefore a waste of time to talk with you as long as you don't understand such basic thing as a market price.
tl;dr blah blah blah you just don't understand!
>by the way you are wrong on the various subjects you were replying. which explains why 1 xmr = around 0.005 btc currently.
your preferences have little to do with how the market value things.
Yes the all rational cryptocurrency market which evaluates dog memes as valuable. Please go on Mr Expert and explain to us how logical and reasonable the market is. Oh wait, I just wouldn't understand! AHHAHAHAHA

>"Let's Go Shopping, Anon!"
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QUb741CSXv4

>>54367078
What does that jester mask represent in the middle of the cloud?

>>54373061
https://i2pd.website

>>54373061
>pic

Just derisk into both monero and glow coins, simple as>>54373061

Lets say bitcoin manages to pull zero knowledge proofs, is that the end all of crypto or am i missing something here. https://ourbitcoinnews.com/zero-knowledge-proof-for-bitcoin-%e2%94%80-3-german-researchers-establish-a-non-profit-organization-coindesk-japan-coindesk-japan/

>>54374071
>Lets say bitcoin manages to pull zero knowledge proofs, is that the end all of crypto or am i missing something here.
Even if bitcoin implements on-chain confidential transactions (which is a BIG "IF"), it still WON'T have:
-- Stable miner subsidy via tail emission
-- Adaptive block size limit that support organic on-chain scaling
-- Decentralized mining hardware (CPU)-based coin creation

XMRfags are based so I'll ask here. What's your take on the binance situation? It's one of the places that list XMR. Is it going down?

>>54367382
Sup bro, i had a problem with my zshekels how can i contact the CEO?

>>54367543
>dont spoonfeed
Fuck you, we are trying to get adoption. The more people on the network the better, doesnt matter if they are retards.

MONEROMARKET.IO

>>54374690
We actively avoid binance already because they don't always let you withdraw your monero. They've been shady in our eyes for years and if they really have hundreds of house accounts to trade against you, then we may have been right they were suppressing monero price for awhile

>>54374895
that notecard is clearly shooped i hope you know. all the LPI's on MM have shooped handwriting, because it's just a guy reusing someone elses pics

>>54374920
>they don't always let you withdraw your monero.

Wait what? Since when do they do that

>>54369983
>>54370242
>>54370314
>>54370525

>the 24 year old prooiced iner
>owns an unopened copy of Market Wizards
>'the market is perfectly efficient guys'
>'the price always reflects the value of any asset'
>thinks god.pdf isn't real
>is the reason the priced in copypasta is marked as spam on /biz/
>'OH GOD I'M GONNA PROOOOOICE'

>>54375102
Literally years, the main reason behind the "monerun" every year in April when we do a mass withdraw on exchanges to test their reserves. Binance usually blames "monero network congestion" and even monero devs have reached out to binance to clear that up, but no response.

>>54369175
its not. They are all pegged to the nasdaq.
In fact XMR is less so, hence its stable nature

Purely theoretical but,
Could you run a state, say New Hampshire for example, off Monero?
Let’s say for whatever reason the people of NH decide to start having more and more economic activity through Monero.
Businesses starting listing prices in Monero, employees start getting paid in Monero as well.
Everyone has their private wallet.
Officially the state government still uses the legally enforced currency, the dollar.
But local authorities are still elected by New Hampshirites.
So they turn more of a blind eye to the enforcement of federal rules, similar to how marijuana works in “legalized” states.

How would it go?
What would happen?

>>54374920
Where to get a crypto card from if not from Binance? I know there is no privacy with a KYC crypto card but I prefer paying this way over using goybux anyway. I guess prepaid cards exist, but they come with extra fees and are a hassle to fully drain. I just need it for groceries and the like, nothing super interesting. Is Bitpanda better?

>>54375755
checked.
Yes, you could run New Hampshire off Monero.
Monero is perfectly capable of scaling on-chain to NH daily usage.

Actually, I was trying to meme the Orania (South Africa) to use Monero in their own segregated community (whites only, based). They are already using their own currency in their own town, apart from the SA fiat money. So, they might be receptive to using a sound money digital cash that Monero is in their communities.

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Orania?lang=en

Orange coin for Orania.

>>54370242
>yes the market thinks dog memes are more valuable than "actual" currencies. what do you think I can do about it?

You can recognize that such a market is utterly irrational and therefore that any price action within it is inherently meaningless given that its only a matter of time until the whole thing implodes.


>it is what it is.

It is RETARDED. So quit flaunting your market charts like we're supposed to take them seriously.

>>54370314
>based on the current trend and situation

But we've already established that the "current trend and situation" is based on little more than FOMO-fueled speculative mania.

>like I've said monero has to do a x200 right now to even catch up

lol or maybe the market finally sobers up and realizes BTC is essentially worthless.

>>54375816
Prepaid cards are the way to go. Good ones don't have extra fees. And if you use them regularly, you top them up instead of fully draining them.
Or you can even do gift cards, if you find ones sold for grocery shops/supermarkets, which I think does exist. To be a true gigaautistic, you could literally buy the gift card at the checkout for the exact amount to pay for and use it right then and there.

>>54374071
>Lets say bitcoin manages to pull zero knowledge proofs, is that the end all of crypto or am i missing something here.

lol Zcash started out like this, as a proposed add-on for BTC. So did Confidential Transactions. And stealth addresses. And Dandelion.

TL;DR: it'll never happen.

>>54375755
>How would it go?
>What would happen?

The only way this could realistically happen is if ALL economic activity was tunneled through the darknet, no way would the federal government tolerate such blatant circumvention of capital controls on a mass scale.

In a world where CBDCs have been deployed there is NO place for crypto in the mainstream economy, the sooner you accept this the sooner we can get to work expanding the underground shadow economy.

>>54376106
yeah, if those participants of the underground shadow economy could just hurry up and do some adoption before our politicians end the world, that would be great

Don't want to annoy you but for the people who didn't see it in the last thread:

Today at 4:00PM UTC (about 2 hours from now), the Monerochan plushies will become available on monerosupplies.com!
They come with a little certificate which is numbered from 1 to 100 in chronological order, 100 is the total amount of Monerochan fumos in existence.

https://nitter.net/monerobull/status/1640771691541307401

>>54375755
>Could you run a state, say New Hampshire for example, off Monero?

Give us another 10-15 years and we will be the Orange Free State. It won't be a hypothetical.

>>54376609
How much will they be sold for?

>>54376764
Would have to be preparations made to provide for proof of funds held by governments and some non-government orgs, if you paid your taxes and some greasy cohort of politicians and state tax agents hid the money and refused to provide keys to check it, you probably wouldn't want to contribute to that society for long. (human greed WILL lead to things like this)

>>54375755
>>54376764
But yes on a technical level Monero could easily handle the entire economy of New Hampshire. Crypto in general is already popular here with the agorists and libertarian tech nerds. The Free State Project people already wins multiple seats in the house every election and despite autistic screeching by the NH GOP, they can't even primary us half the time.

>>54371923
kek

just got my hands on 2 free and functional solar panels to put on my balcony, now I just buy some CPUs and mine monero at zero costs, right? please tell me its that simple

>>54376879
79,99€, they come with free worldwide shipping + tracking (every country with DHL parcel support), a numbered certificate of authenticity and 3 stickers.

Profits will support the final frontier project that is vinyl 3d Monerochan figurine (Picrel is a AI prototype).

>>54376956
not zero costs, just no power costs. Still gotta factor hardware costs and labor while setting it up.

>>54377074
there isn't a final design for the certificate yet, would you guys prefer a picture of the fumo or existing Monerochan artwork on it?

also, while you can buy them later today, they wont get shipped for at least another 2 weeks. I wanted to wait and see if they all arrive safely (which they did, picrel is 1 out of 2 boxes) before printing the cetificates.

? XMR

>>54377145
I think a photo of the fumo itself would be best if it's a certificate denoting the authenticity of a given item.

and yeh, I figured it would take a while to actually get them out the door, it's a lot of printing and packaging and organizing. I've waited months, I can handle a few more weeks.

Have anyone ever used atomic wallet swaps to get monero? is it good? Will I make noseman angry?

>>54377074
I thought you were saying it would be priced in xmr only.
Something like 0.6 xmr would be pretty much similar price and has the nice inside joke of it being the tail emission.

>>54377265
>I've waited months, I can handle a few more weeks.
>Two moar weeks fumo-bros

>>54377492
sure, lets do that. xmr prices are "experimental" according to the payment plugin but ill try to set it up

>>54377651
you're gonna feel so silly when you don't have a monerochan fumo sitting on top of your monero color schemed server rack hosting monero services and storing a massive database of monerochan images.

very silly indeed.

>Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible
now that this is no longer true, what coind should we switch to privacy-bros? I've heard about SCRT but I don't know if it's even good at all

>>54376956
Lmao, good luck.

>>54376956
Yes you found the free money glitch. Watch this: https://piped.video/watch?v=Nfq4jXY1_p8

>>54378066
Source for these alarming claims, privacy-bro? Here is a user testimony

>>54376956
Not even that. If you mine during cold periods (You would pay heating any way). You basically mine for free.

>>54377111
>not zero costs, just no power costs. Still gotta factor hardware costs and labor while setting it up.
Um. actually

>>54378278
>(You would pay heating any way). You basically mine for free.
Where do you live, without access to more cost effective ways of heating your home?

>>54378022
its online, i didnt want to keep people waiting and had to put up images last minute >x)

ill try changing it later. if you want to, just pay 0.6 XMR on checkout.

>>54378219
Monero is no longer fungible since the introduction of fucking Ordinals, and also the block size is over the roof
chain size was already a problem and it's getting worse.

Didn't even know there ws a SCRT/Monero bridge, I meant more like actually switching completely to SCRT as a base private currency, but it could be another coin

>>54378494
SCRTs master decryption key was recovered from the "secure" enclave, breaking EVERYTHING.

https://sgx.fail/

>>54378350
of course only for the regular pack, pay what it asks if you want the supremacy pack ,:)

>>54378494
As I understand it, further damage from ordinals will be mostly prevented by the next update

>>54376956
This may be of use to you

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/108bins/serious_announcing_project_soloptxmr_mining

>>54376609
>>54377074
>>54377145
>>54378766
Ordered.

>>54377145
>>54376609
>>54378766
>>54378627
Anyone who makes a small incision between the plushie's legs and post a picture of using it as a fleshlight (with timestamp) will get Unknown moneros from me.

>>54379912
d-do i do it bros?

for anyone who would seriously cut these precious little girls open, just dont do them raw. I have no idea if they are up to code or if your dick falls off.

>>54378494
SCRT is fake smart contract privacy on the cosmos ecosystem, as far as other things besides monero go, its as comfy as it gets (not much).
It does have a clunky xmr to scrt bridge. unlike Thor scam chain whose dev are fags. We should count our allies when we can and not look a gift horse in the mouth. Its also has a bridge to ETH and Biannace smartchain. It functions like a DEX for monero while offering monero yeald d farming for the kind of people who like that. considering dumpster-fires like haveno and rune I'm surprised its not talked much here. I do thing your disingenuous shilling is one of the factors.
If you have few grand in XMR, put 50$ into SCRT and its main chain ATOM, it cant hurt and opens an ass load of dapps and shit, mostly shit tho

I appreciate this coin

we won

>>54381204
Divegrass?

>>54381228
xmr owners

Guys tell me if this is an amazing idea or horrible idea

I know we hate programmable money and we hate fiat as well buy what if recreate those ideas but in a decentralized way, this wouldn't work on monero but on programmable shitcoins like etherium or even solana and i was also thinking about bitcoin as well it could, for example lets use bitcoin as the best example.


Every bitcoin has 100,000,000 satoshis, what if every satoshi was non fungible, what if there was a way to pint those satoshis into physical money. For example i create lets say 5 bills of 1000 satoshis and we can trade those like physical money. Basically the bill itself would have a QR itself representing the physical information of those satoshis and also the bill would have the number 1000 satoshis, also the bill its only trully yours after you scan that QR code and redeem it to your wallet, then after the bill itself would be worthless and you can trash it but the idea of this is:

- you don't have to touch your real wallet
- you could give satoshis to a retard that doesn't have a wallet
- its physically real

After all Fiat money is simply a smart contract between you and the goverment, heck you could even program your own bills that if no one deemed the satoshis bill you printed after 6 months it will come back to your wallet. Of course some negatives is how would a free floating bitcoin work, what i understand all bitcoins are inside wallets and a free floating bitcoin wallet would mean you would need a third wallet for that to work, of course that would mean we would smart contracts and smart contracts are the product of possed proof of stake shitcoins but i think with some refinement we would get more adoption if bitcoin or heck monero could be reprrssented physically.

>>54381973
>the bill its only trully yours after you scan that QR code and redeem it to your wallet,

Its been tried before, there's just too much potential for shenanigans.

>>54376956
Might want to check the output on those champ. Also, solar panels out is unstable and qould require a battery bank to charge, 2hich your setup would draw from. Youre gonna need some heft solar panels and batteries kek

>>54382121
History about this

>>54382220

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Casascius_physical_bitcoins

Same thing basically.

>>54382275
I mean reading about the history it sounds like it has some mistakes

First it was easy to shut him down because he wasnt anonimous, satoshi till this day still remains anonimous and the cia would have made an example of him if he didn't remain anonimous, also the dude was printing bitcoins in gold and silver metals in that time which is really expensive and not practical, it was a good marketing ploy back in the day but crypto itself didn't have any value but in this day and age you don't need metals to prove crypto is worth it, lets say you go to salvador and you buy oranges from a local vendor, imagine giving him a 1000 satoshi bill instead of paying with a QR code. At least in this way you don't need to risk opening your wallet, some of my worrys every time i use crypto is what i got a fucking malware inside my computer or what if someone steals my computers. Some people are retarded in that they don't write their seed but to make crypto more easyer people without understanding of wallets should be able to use bitcoin, for example lets say i was a iliterate street vendor selling oranges i would be able to understand that sold 5 oranges for 1000 satoshis each, then now i have 5 bills, in this case we are not even touching the chain but there was still a real trade.

>>54381973
it's called a paper wallet anon, a lot of people do it

>>54378066
>I've heard about SCRT
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

>>54383280
>>54378627
And there was only a small bump in the price, what is the lesson here?

>>54383630
Irrational shitcoin market is irrational.

>>54377145
release her from her captivity!

>>54383766
>Irrational shitcoin market is irrational.

This. Don't try to make sense out of nonsense.

>>54383842
that one actually go to go out and is part of the photoshoot in >>54376609

>>54377194
our future

>>54376609
just now bought the supremacy bundle. out of habit I had my credit card out and was happy to see I could only pay with Monero

>>54376898
can't wait for trump to cum back and suck Israel's dick again

>>54375755
The federal (really global) government would start a propaganda campaign to justify seizing control of the state and then they'd attempt it.

What is the second best privacy crypto/currency project? I would be sympathetic to BAT if it didn't run on fucking ethereum

>>54385746

Likely DarkFi. They're helping Team Monero with integrating zk-SNARKs.

genuine question (this is not a shill I fucking hate dero) but why is dero pumping? what the fuck is the point in it anyways?

>>54385746
THERE IS NO SECOND BEST

>>54386234

Every dog has its day.

>>54386256
makes sense
>>54386037
the darkfi site looks like a fucking scam ngl
I'd probably say Firo or Dash are "second best" but they're all pure shit in comparison.